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Cole writes: "Binney says that social networks analysis is being carried out on all Americans."

Surveillance cameras are only one part of the growing collection of surveillance technology being implemented in the US. (photo: Kodda/Shutterstock.com)
Surveillance cameras are only one part of the growing collection of surveillance technology being implemented in the US. (photo: Kodda/Shutterstock.com)


NSA Whistleblower: All Americans Under Constant Surveillance

By Juan Cole, Informed Comment

03 December 12

 

ational Security Agency whistle-blower William Binney explains how the NSA puts all the electronic communications of all Americans under constant surveillance and then stores zetabytes of data permanently.

RT reports:

Binney says that social networks analysis is being carried out on all Americans, and that if for any reason the clique in charge of the government decides to target an individual, they can go back and analyze the electronic records on him or her for damning information.

Presumably, this is what the Bush White House asked the intelligence community to do to yours truly. (See James Risen's article here).

Binney refered to Boeing's NARUS traffic analyzer, which we know the telcoms allowed the Bush administration to run on all our communications.


 

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+72 # Capn Canard 2012-12-03 11:18
does this really surprise anyone?
 
 
+84 # maddave 2012-12-03 12:36
Surprise? No. What it does, though ---in tandem with the militarization of this America on all levels ---is scare the shit out of me.

Is William Binney NOT warning everyone writing controversial comments on RSN that their words are de facto applications for the writer's inclusion on the FBI's "target list"?

When's the last time you checked to see if your name is on Homeland Security's the "no fly" list?
 
 
-4 # KittatinyHawk 2012-12-03 14:15
I do not fly nor do I want to Our terrorists are in air too
 
 
+1 # Sacrebleu! 2012-12-06 12:30
Quoting maddave:
What it does, though [...] is scare the shit out of me.


This is the point, isn't it?
 
 
+92 # NanFan 2012-12-03 12:39
Quoting Capn Canard:
does this really surprise anyone?


Unfortunately, no, but it is wrong on a level that is beyond belief, beyond the rights of the citizens of the US.

The government has created a culture of fear, and continues to do so under the illusion of freedom.

It is unacceptable in our democracy. Bravo, Mr Binney! Bravo!

N.
 
 
+2 # demongel17 2012-12-04 23:51
Quoting NanFan:
Quoting Capn Canard:
does this really surprise anyone?


Unfortunately, no, but it is wrong on a level that is beyond belief, beyond the rights of the citizens of the US.

The government has created a culture of fear, and continues to do so under the illusion of freedom.

It is unacceptable in our democracy. Bravo, Mr Binney! Bravo!

N.


Since when has this system been a 'real' democracy anyway???
 
 
+26 # KittatinyHawk 2012-12-03 14:14
No Been going on since Bush Sr days in CIA with the other Paranoids in govt
 
 
+7 # WestWinds 2012-12-03 14:46
Not anyone with two live brain cells...
 
 
+14 # Barkingcarpet 2012-12-03 18:19
Surprise? What do we expect from an apathetic, ignorant, and uninformed electorate, more interested in consuming disposable products all the war over the edge and into oblivion?

We, ARE the problem, and why we go along with the insane nonsense perpetuated by psychopathic "leaders" and corporate interests is beyond me.

We are the power to change the world, and leave something worth living on behind, for future life.

What ARE we choosing? Love, or drive on buy into oblivion?

We shall see, eh?
 
 
+2 # RobertMStahl 2012-12-04 15:40
Just want would be a pathway into a canto of hell, in an Inferno by Dante sense I mean?
 
 
+62 # Barbara K 2012-12-03 12:38
How sad that this is what the world has come to. No privacy in the name of security.
 
 
+53 # WestWinds 2012-12-03 14:52
It's not about 'no privacy'. It is about assessing the odds of how many people they would have to deal with when they make their move to enslave us all openly. They will definitely get around to it if left unchecked. By doing this they know how many drones they need to build, how many tanks to allocate to how many police departments, together with how many assault weapons, etc. These people are crazy. I live in a rural town of 11.2 square miles. Our police were all issued full riot gear about two years ago and over time they have become more bellicose and open about their contempt for citizens while allowing the criminal element here to run loose. What sleepy town needs tanks and riot gear? This country better wake up and do it soon.
 
 
+8 # readerz 2012-12-04 07:43
A lot of people don't realize that rural areas have some reasons for their paranoia, but I don't understand why some in rural areas resort to tea party, racist, and 1950s anti-commie stances. (Here in Ohio, and in other states, the rural vote is mostly "red.") There aren't any (or very few) "commies" in America; never were, because people didn't like the antics of Stalin. It seems almost as though the right-winger billionaires want the rural loyalty and pay for it.

But the rural areas are prey to gangs of identity theft, meth labs, etc.; the local police are not qualified to deal with that; their riot gear is a joke. As it is, even though there is mega-surveillan ce, the book "Worm: the First Digital World War" proves that there is too little understanding of real computer threats to America, and too few trying to protect the internet and all of our identities from those threats. It's like "Bananas:" everybody has to wear their underwear on the outside, but meanwhile the entire country is stolen away.
 
 
+2 # demongel17 2012-12-05 00:01
Interesting, I'm a writer and have been reading Henry Miller's book about living at Big Sur for some 15 years. His descriptions are as idylic as one might imagine. Few place continue to be less invaded, (even today), by this police state horror we are discussing here. My point is that we need to engender such....never lie down to the powers that be, as it were. Funny that now that we are on the edge of the new paradigm with all the attendant ecological disasters staring us smack in the face, nature could still prevail, with a lot of help, of course.....and we cannot depend on the politicians and powers that be to do it.
 
 
+3 # tomtom 2012-12-05 10:47
Actually, communism wasn't and still isn't a bad word, to many, in America and elsewhere. In the 20's, many majors were Socialists and many well educated, good hearted Americans were Communists. Stalin, though was labeled Communist, was a fascist, totalitarian dictator. But, we get too bogged down with names and designations, which distract from reality.
 
 
+4 # CandH 2012-12-05 19:24
Yea, the numbers of full-spectrum military drones are already operating in the US, and in places like Silicon Valley's military Moffett Air Field, for instance:

"Digital watchdog the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) published several thousand pages of new drone license records on Wednesday confirming innumerable theorists' fears: that drones "regularly fly" in "national airspace all around the country."

The records, which were obtained by way of a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit against the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), come from state and local law enforcement agencies, universities and—for the first time—three branches of the U.S. military: the Air Force, Marine Corps, and DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency), the group writes on their Deeplinks blog." https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/12/05-9
 
 
+23 # Cassandra2012 2012-12-03 17:19
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin
 
 
+4 # Third_stone 2012-12-05 19:16
It is called selling your liberty for security. American patriots have repeatedly warned is. "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance".
 
 
+42 # DaveM 2012-12-03 13:13
What possible good purpose can this serve? Undoubtedly the excuse is that the information will be used to catch "terrorists".

Fine. I have a cyberstalker who has threatened my life, published my personal information online, made harassing phone calls to my home (AND put a video of himself doing so on YouTube), and created phony accounts in my name on various web forms, which he uses to post semi-coherent hateful blather in the hope of convincing someone that it is me speaking.

He also routinely posts videos of himself using drugs on YouTube.

Now....where is all the "security" apparatus to attend to people like this? I know my situation is hardly unique. Is it possible that some of the "security" people might be put to work doing something constructive?
 
 
+45 # WestWinds 2012-12-03 14:54
It's not about taking care of you; it's about taking you down. The police and the military are there for containment, not protection. They are having a fox hunt and YOU are the fox. Wake up!!!
 
 
+7 # readerz 2012-12-04 07:53
We had somebody mess with our ID at the IRS years ago, and it took years to clear up the mess. The "government" is also a huge bureaucracy, and there was an individual who got into an argument with my husband who worked for one of the central IRS branches; we are sure the trouble stemmed from him. Personal vendettas, if a person works for the government, can seem to be from nowhere. We went through every legal channel, and proved the truth of what was happening, and finally (after repeating this to a few agencies), the mess cleared up.

You must make complaints to as many channels as you can. Local police complaint for the personal threats. FTC for identity theft (of any kind) and attach police complaint number; the police have to take your complaint: if they won't, you must go up channels to county and state offices. Since YouTube is across state lines, send copy to F.B.I.; if you send the complaint, they have to pursue it for you. Sure it will take time, that's bureaucracy. While I agree that the government is wrong to militarize local police, at least you can make them work for you. If one dept. has some vendetta against you, there is nothing like sending another dept. of the gov't on them; eventually they have to quit it. Did I mention sending copies of your complaints to your political representatives ?
 
 
+70 # jmac9 2012-12-03 13:17
Republicans destroyed America
with Bush-Cheney Iraq - Patriot Act - and the Bush immunity to the telecom industry for spying on all of us.

but
Obama and Democrats haven't done one dime in restoring our civil rights.

Is the USA the "Great Hypocrite" - preaching free speech, civil rights and in reality - working very hard to crush all those rights.
 
 
+17 # KittatinyHawk 2012-12-03 14:16
been going on since Poppa was CIA please
 
 
+27 # WestWinds 2012-12-03 14:56
Yah, and they blame the Kennedy assassinations on the Mafia when Poppy was a sleeper in the CIA and the CIA often used Mafia "agents" to do their wet work.
 
 
+17 # ER444 2012-12-03 14:17
Unfortunately you are right. In fact the Obama administration is even worse that GW. Now that is scarey.
 
 
+9 # Mannstein 2012-12-03 20:25
And I thought we were the shining beacon on the hill a light unto the nations. Wrong again.
 
 
+63 # artsci 2012-12-03 13:30
My theory about this is that with all the inevitable disasters that climate change and its consequences will impose on our country and the world (mass starvation and food shortages, wars over water, flooded states and cities, massive storm damage on the coasts, destruction of infrastructure, growing numbers of failed states, economic collapse, acidification of the oceans, etc.) our leaders have decided a police state will be necessary to maintain any semblance of order. This is the dress rehearsal. Instead of dealing with the underlying but politically difficult solutions (for example, imposing a sizable tax on carbon) our so-called 'leaders" including the President, stick their heads in the sand. Frankly, a police state is easier to impose on the population than the controls on consumption necessary to deal with the real problem. This is political cowardice of the highest order.
 
 
+8 # readerz 2012-12-04 07:57
Yes. Case in point: Ohio/ Pennsylvania/ West Virginia are fertile areas of high ground, ideal for people to move to who must because of coastal flooding. So what are they doing to this area? Turning it into an uninhabitable fracked dead zone, where everybody will die of the pollution.
 
 
+9 # RHytonen 2012-12-04 13:40
Quoting readerz:
Yes. Case in point: Ohio/ Pennsylvania/ West Virginia are fertile areas of high ground, ideal for people to move to who must because of coastal flooding. So what are they doing to this area? Turning it into an uninhabitable fracked dead zone, where everybody will die of the pollution.


Having retired to WV (because it's THAT cheap...) it's heartening that someone sees what has happened here.
I have to wonder how many accusing Obama of a "War on Coal" realize that the extraction industries (now Fracking too) have not only left the town infrastructures and natural environment devastated, but thanks to massive amounts of abandoned carcinogenic byproducts and mountaintop removal, the WV child cancer rate is now #1 in the country. The effects of fracking on the land, the infrastructures , and the water table; promise to be even worse.
 
 
+1 # Mannstein 2012-12-04 21:31
What really blows my mind is that in many US states if not all a home owner does not own the property rights under his house. Talk about the deck being stacked in favour of the Capitalists. Matter of fact sounds like what the communist party in China does.
 
 
+55 # WallStWallFlowerGirl 2012-12-03 13:45
We've never been a true democracy; we only live under its illusion.

We have a "Supreme" court of nine people who make decisions affecting the lives of all Americans, yet never voted in by the people whom they legislate- employed for life. We vote in the president who appoints the court but the process isn't his alone; ultimately, politicians w/the biggest influence (money) get their way. A government for the People, by the People, would've fired Justice Scalia many infractions ago.

I have a problem w/this whole, arrogant sense of entitlement too many Americans have that we're the "greatest" country on earth. We have a better quality of life than any 3rd world country & as a capitalist society, have great ability to take advantage of opportunities. We have fabulous schools & institutions which attract people from all over the world to attend, but once certified, are only afforded to those w/the money to pay for it. And don't get me started on healthcare! I'm not talking about nose jobs & liposuction, I'm talking basic healthcare for all citizens so they don't lose a house if they lose a kidney. Dr. Emergency Room's tax-funded practice shouldn't be the family doctor.

What America has is toys: shiny objects of distraction that when in the hands of citizens, takes their attention off the fact that we're merely pawns in this game of democracy. You wanna "Twitter" or play on "facebook," you find how free it really isn't; one always pays to keep up with the Jones's.
 
 
+12 # KittatinyHawk 2012-12-03 14:18
Judges should be voted in hundred thumbs up No tenures for anyone!
 
 
+1 # readerz 2012-12-04 08:00
We have that in Ohio: Yay, hooray, the Republicans dump millions into those judges' campaigns, and then those judges reverse previous Ohio Supreme Court orders to make education funding more fair, Yay, hooray, and give polluting business a free ride to destroy this state and frack in the state parks, Yay, hooray, and all of us here in Ohio can thank those "elected" judges... Do you think the thinly stretched Democrats have money for state and local elections? Not on your life, and it is our life.
 
 
+24 # Vardoz 2012-12-03 16:23
Costa Rica is 27th in the world for longevity and America is 39th - When they protest there the people are protected by the police not abused.
 
 
+4 # CandH 2012-12-05 19:47
The US is building (or has built) a military base there. The US will fix that problem right up.
 
 
+13 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-12-03 19:15
You might be surprised by "we're the greatest country in the world" idea that we have been taught by our politicians, teachers. 1.Where did the U.S. rank in health care before the Affordable Care Act? This country was ranked very very low. Much less than 17th based on U.N. health care statistics. 2. where does the U.S. rank in household net worth? We are second to Canada. 3. How do the U.S. students rank in science and math scores? 4. How does the U.S. rank in happiness? (Yes, we have a right to pursue happiness, but where does America rank?)Based on many factors such as social mobility, health care, employment rates, access to a higher education without having to declare bankruptcy to pay off the college bank loans. 5. How does the U.S. rank in high speed rail transportation? 6. Where does the U.S. rank in % and actual number of population in jails, prisons. The U.S. is # 1. Ahead of China which has several times our population. 7. Where does the U.S. rank in violent crimes? 8. Where does the U.S. rank in social mobility? That is going from the poor to the middle to the upper income classes? 9.Where does the U.S. rank in military "neighbor killing?" 10. How does the U.S. rank in using military torture? The concerned citizen would look up answers to these questions. I have and I know. I'm not trying to put the U.S. down, I just like facts. A citizen who is taught that their country is "near perfect" will become complacent. Smoke blown up ones arse screws up the autopsy.
 
 
+6 # readerz 2012-12-04 08:06
I was in the generation that thought riches were not the answer. What happened though is that those of us who thought that way were even greater suckers to be taken by those who owned everything. We were relatively happy living with few resources, but it assumed taxes and a social net to help if there was an emergency. I discovered early in my 20s that there is only a social network for the rich. Hospitals were closed in the 1970s, and only the rich were served. When my daughter had to wait a couple of days to have a sharp object removed from her that she had picked up from her school in the 1980s, I realized that we were the "not importants." It isn't riches that most Americans want, but a caring country that is equipped to be there for us as much as we are there for them.
 
 
+37 # MainStreetMentor 2012-12-03 13:47
Remember the so called "Patriot Act" which the Tea Party element of the RepubTeacan Party under the BUSH/CHENEY kakistocracy screamed about "needing" under a false "patriotism banner"? This is a subset of that nefarious legislation/law . Obama's administration needs to gut this law of its' anti-constituti onality, or repeal it in its' entirety. This law, (which the above article proves), is one of the elemental and necessary steps to eradication of democracy as we know it.
 
 
+17 # WestWinds 2012-12-03 15:00
Pssst. Obama is in on it. He's one of them, so don't go looking for him to be a knight in shining armor.
 
 
+21 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-12-03 13:48
Recently, a popular HBO program host said, "don't send an email to anyone that you would not send to your grandmother." That struck me.
 
 
+9 # Capn Canard 2012-12-03 14:35
wow, that has been my practice for the last 5 years. Am I too paranoid? Nah, I don't think so...
 
 
+13 # bbaldwin 2012-12-03 13:54
Who needs social media anyway...notice the use of Facebook is way down.......just like their stock.
 
 
+30 # Rita Walpole Ague 2012-12-03 13:57
It honestly made me feel sick when, as I collected data/evidence to send to the DOJ while seeking an investigation into the torture and brutalization of peaceful peace and justice, fully permitted parade participants in the 2007 St. Paddy's Day parade in Colorado Springs (Google: Colorado Springs Independent, Jan. 21, 2010, "No Peace or Justice"), someone gave me the transcript of a speech given at the Northern Command Center (here in Colorado Springs, the super fusion center of the nations over 72 fusion centers, from where govt. operatives give local authorities orders on what to do - i.e. torture, brutalize, etc.).

The F.B.I. speaker states who now is considered a 'terrorist' and treated accordingly (i.e. civil rights, peace, justice activists, environmental activists, etc. etc. etc.). This totally broken, fascist government of ours now does whatever it desires, all in order to enslave us all as the 1%ers rake in constantly increasing $$$$$ and power over all.

1%ers Beware. Implosion and/or revolution is a comin', and, tragic to say, it ain't gonna be pretty. But the Occupy Wall Streeters are correct:

GLOBAL REVOLUTION IS THE SOLUTION!
 
 
+30 # A Different Drummer 2012-12-03 14:01
Quoting Barbara K:
How sad that this is what the world has come to. No privacy in the name of security.

Barbara K:I don't think total surveillance has much if anything to do with security. I think it's about total control of society. To what end, I have no idea, but all of my guesses scare me senseless. I fear we're in the midst of a Stalinesque take over of this once free and prosperous land.

I have no idea how to protect my constitutional rights when my oppressors operate outside the law and in deep shadow.

Our only slim hope as I see it is to support the Electronic Frontier Foundation's (EFF) efforts to bring this to the Supreme Court and hope the justices follow the Constitution and stop this most egregious assault on the American people.

Perhaps since CIA Director Petraeus and General Allen were the most recent high profile victims of this illegal surveillance, the attention may bring an overpowering outcry from the citizenry that the government is forced to dismantle the system and destroy the captured data.
 
 
+17 # WestWinds 2012-12-03 15:06
The problem is, you still believe in the system. The Supreme Court is a filthy mess of in-your-face corruption and yet you are still looking to them to be the answer. They are not. Nor is this president, nor is this Congress. The answer is US; you and me. No one is coming to save us. This is a Hitleresque steal-the-world effort... and so far, they are winning and we are slipping deeper and deeper into the quagmire. Soon we will be under water and they will have everything and the only thing left will be to commit suicide or get out in the streets.
 
 
+14 # Cassandra2012 2012-12-03 17:23
Yes,this is reminiscent of 1933 Germany ...
 
 
-3 # Mannstein 2012-12-03 20:38
If you're going to use Germany as an example then communist East Germany is more apt. Germany had a poulation of 70 million in the 1930s. East Germany's poulation was 17 million before the wall came down. The Hitler regime had fewer internal spies than the Honeoker regime on a per capita basis. In East Germany you even had spouses spying on each other which was never the case under Hitler.
 
 
+5 # RHytonen 2012-12-04 07:37
Quoting Mannstein:
If you're going to use Germany as an example then communist East Germany is more apt. Germany had a poulation of 70 million in the 1930s. East Germany's poulation was 17 million before the wall came down. The Hitler regime had fewer internal spies than the Honeoker regime on a per capita basis. In East Germany you even had spouses spying on each other which was never the case under Hitler.


So you hold that there is such a thing as "Good" and "Bad" Police States?

History and I disagree with that, especially if their development is tolerated early on by such naivete or laziness.
 
 
-2 # Mannstein 2012-12-04 18:10
Not at all, most police states are obnoxious. However given a choice I would have preferred to have lived in Franco's Spain than Stalin's USSR or Mao's Communist China. Judging from your response I suspect you would have preferred either of the later. Ideolgy like hate causes blindness.
 
 
+3 # RHytonen 2012-12-04 21:02
Quoting Mannstein:
Not at all, most police states are obnoxious. However given a choice I would have preferred to have lived in Franco's Spain than Stalin's USSR or Mao's Communist China. Judging from your response I suspect you would have preferred either of the later. Ideolgy like hate causes blindness.

Then you would be wrong.
I prefer neither.
But there is no question which it is that we face.
Mussolini -its inventor- defined it very clearly as the collusion of government and industry (business) power.
Where government helps industry IN ANY WAY you have textbook Fascism.
Capitalism however, is a step WORSE.
It's the means for Fascism to take hold.
Immense fortunes buy governments, which is why we formed DEMOCRATIC government to constrain them and their abusive power whose ONLY goal is to impoverish all individuals.
It ALL comes from someone else.
 
 
-5 # Mannstein 2012-12-05 04:48
I should have said GIVEN the choice between... my choice would be Franco's Spain.

Well, if capitalism is worse you can choose to go to Communist China or North Korea since the USSR fortunately no longer exists. I feel confident the Red Commrades are waiting to welcome you with open arms.
 
 
+3 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-12-05 11:40
I like Capitalism? Except for the kind we experienced under George Bush, Cheney which was unregulated Capitalism. This was the case where Capitalism did not serve the public but financially ate the public. Bogus subprime mortgages, very high oil prices. We also experienced Corporate welfare, the military industrial complex. Bush and cheney, being oil men got very very rich, filty rich off the war and oil.
 
 
+6 # readerz 2012-12-04 08:17
You don't have to "believe in the system" to make the system work for you (limping, but even so). I don't believe that any system is perfect. People who live in rural areas have a good reason to think that "nobody is coming to save us," because it seems that the political power is against those in the rural areas, but that is especially true because rural areas elect Republicans who stick it to everybody, especially their own. The more light you throw on the problem, the better. The "Occupy" movement at least brought some of the problems to light, but some solutions can also be grassroots: where is a call for a Constitutional Convention? If rural people only fall into their own tea party paranoia, they will be more prey to the billionaires and the gangs; it is the rural people who have experienced the extreme drought, new dust bowl, coal slag, fracking, ID theft rings, meth lab rings, and all the other horrors of modern life, much more frequently than in the cities. The rural areas should be getting investments of clean energy businesses, methods of farming that work for them and the environment, information freedom and safety, but that will take some thought, not their present representatives .
 
 
+25 # Vardoz 2012-12-03 14:02
This is sheer lunacy. And we have already seen one example of the abuse of power that this level surveillance is susceptable to with the General Petraeus incident. Without accountability there will always be abuses and this is why things have gone too far. Who is in charge? Who makes the decisions? No one knows. The General Petraeus incident shows that this inforamtion is not only used to " protect us" but can be used for any reason at all and this, in and of itself, is an abuse of power and violates our constituional rights as reported above. It is interesting that for decades warrents were required and there were overall less threats and the standard made the system more effective.
 
 
+16 # WestWinds 2012-12-03 15:08
You've got it right, Vardoz. We are being herded and run by a secret global government that hasn't made itself known...
yet.
 
 
-1 # readerz 2012-12-04 08:19
I don't think that Petraeus is much of an example; it was some sort of argument between two women, and the e-mails were discovered after the complaint by Jill Kelley. At first, I thought that he did the diversion himself to stop people from looking at his real record as a military leader.
 
 
+12 # Sully747 2012-12-03 14:35
Not to worry… You will only be picked up if the computer program determines you might be a danger to yourself or the government now or possibly sometime in the future.
 
 
+4 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-12-03 18:46
Good point. But how is "danger" defined?
Incidentally, are you the same courageous airline pilot who saved lives by doing what you had to do by emergency landing your aircraft in the Hudson River. If you are, I salute you. If you are not, good post anyway.
 
 
+8 # fredboy 2012-12-03 15:09
It's wild how quickly this has come about. In the heat of the Cold War a Soviet agent operated freely in Norfolk, VA, living near the nation's largest Navy base. He even ran an ad in the local telephone book that read "Spy-Counter Spy." And the morons charged with keeping a lookout were clueless until his ex-wife blew the whistle. Now they are watching you!
 
 
+21 # Vardoz 2012-12-03 15:17
What is so clear is that as we are poisoning our environment and nose diving into Global Climate changethat polluters are responsible for and is actually threatening all life on Earth. But the govts prioity is not to improve things at all but to focus on a super spy matrix that costs untold billions of dollars. So as we perish they will have vast stockpiles of useless info about all of us. It's so pathetic! We are finite, our atmosphere is infinte and so is our planet. But perhaps we are too deeply flawed to learn from our mistakes? Many civilizations have come and gone. We know what is hurting mankind and the planet yet some secret entity thinks it's more important to gather everything they can about us. This is a deep, basic flaw. But humanity is a grand experiment and if we fail we have only our stupidy to blame at this point.
 
 
+14 # Cassandra2012 2012-12-03 17:25
Military / Industrial complex is big bu$$ine$$.... follow the money!
 
 
+10 # Vardoz 2012-12-03 15:20
Well they may have to drag me out of a nursing home cause the clock is ticking. We should remind them that we are not immortal. What a waste of space!
 
 
+2 # readerz 2012-12-04 08:23
I agree... my husband is an example of a person who is more and more sick with his cancer. Those who have been given only a few years to live have no reason to protect themselves from danger: instead of shutting us up, it is more likely that those already sentenced to die of cancer will be speaking out.
 
 
-16 # natalierosen 2012-12-03 16:08
Why does this not scare me? I am NOT going to do violence to anyone, I believe in our system, I believe in the democratic process, I believe in our country -- though I may disagree with a lot of policy.
 
 
+5 # futhark 2012-12-03 22:01
Do you still believe the Bush/Cheney hypothesis for the 9/11 attacks, that 19 Islamic radicals planned and executed that catastrophe? Do you still believe that agents of the U.S. government or a group of people operating under its aegis could never mail weapons-grade anthrax spores to United States senators? We need to keep speaking out and hoping for the best, but not delude ourselves that personal liberty and constitutional government are not under attack.
 
 
-1 # readerz 2012-12-04 08:25
Somehow, I believe that Cheney's old friend from the Afgan/Russian war was called up and given the go-ahead, perhaps even the coordinates, for 9/11. I think it was 19 terrorists, but with lots of help.
 
 
0 # CandH 2012-12-05 20:02
Here's a film clip to enjoy:

"James McCullough from the mysterious “Council” gives a special assignment to CIA agent Aaron Delgado to attack the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and pin the blame on Muslim Terrorists. Delgado and fellow agents, Phillip Singer and Chase Jordan, work with a group of unsuspecting engineers to develop unmanned jets that will hit their assigned targets.

The Army and the FBI begin to uncover the plot, forcing Delgado to intervene. The CIA agents also have to deal with an increasingly suspicious George Poole, the lead engineer working on the drones, who becomes skeptical on how the remote controlled planes will be used. A battle between good and evil ensues as the plot to attack America becomes a hard-hitting reality." http://vimeo.com/34150493#
 
 
+15 # seeuingoa 2012-12-03 16:23
It is quite amazing to see the behaviour of apparently intelligent people.

When children see some horrible stuff
on a screen they cover their eyes with
their hands.
It is too awful to see, and when they don´t see, it doesn´t exist.

The same attitude that the politicians have with climate change.

You can have Colorado wildfires and
Hurricane Sandy and a few weeks later
the politicians are covering their eyes
again.

A global threat has to be treated on a global level, so it is not enough that we
on the personal level separate our trash
in glass, paper and plastic.

What is the point of having no mortgage,
a job, human rights and healthcare,
if there is no planet.

This is a commentary that is so obvious
that it is nearly embarassing to write.

And this, the most important of all issues for human survival is being
neglected untill it will be too late,
with or without covering the eyes.
 
 
+1 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-12-05 09:46
When a factual idea is prsented to the public, 1. the fact is denied. Perhaps with lots of corporate lobby power. Next, the 2. "fact is aginst the bible." When the fact becomes so obvious, "we knew it all along."
 
 
+5 # truthrat 2012-12-03 16:35
I've read elsewhere that some Israeli companies make, install, maintain, and advise on data storage for this kind of thing. Some Israelis thus necessarily have access to data. I'm wondering of Petreus was targeted by Israel, because of his comments about a year ago, explaining that US troops are at risk because of US patronizing of Israel.
 
 
+4 # Mannstein 2012-12-03 20:42
Israel knew about the Clinton Lewinsky hanky panky before anyone in the US of A.
 
 
+1 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2012-12-03 22:53
They also knew about 9/11. That day, it happened, hundreds did not show up for work. no, not a "usual" statistic for no shows.
 
 
+13 # RHytonen 2012-12-03 16:35
This is why it's imperative that EVERYONE sound off constantly and be vocal on as radical a belief set as you can think up.

Only if EVERYONE appears to be "a problem," will NO ONE be considered so.

The only way to combat being made not to feel safe is to make your enemy-or your would-be oppressor- feel even less so.
 
 
-21 # cafetomo 2012-12-03 17:28
I am certain that they are not watching us, or saving the data anywhere for further examination at any time in the future. If they decide to target particular criminals, it is because they deserve it. They only want to protect us, have our best interests in mind, and would not do anything to invade our privacy unless we were already guilty. We really need to appreciate and admire them for working so hard helping good Americans be free.

Me like America...
 
 
0 # mdhome 2012-12-08 07:47
"They only want to protect us, have our best interests in mind, and would not do anything to invade our privacy"

Yes, tell me more about the WMDs and the 4,000 killed and 40,000 wounded for the job of finding imaginary WMDs. Those in power have only the interest of the people as a reason to exist.
 
 
+4 # reiverpacific 2012-12-03 18:13
Well, screw 'em!
I'm not goin' to change my life, manner of living, views, conduct or dissemination thereof, or anything else for the wee eyes on the corners.
If they've nothing better to do with their time and huge military/survei llance budget I can't help them -whoever "They" are.
I'm reminded of the scene in the early James Bond movie "From Russia With Love" when two KGB agents are filming Bond (Sean Connery) and his set-up bird from behind a mirror mounted above their hotel bed in Istanbul, whilst Kerim Bey, his MI5 Turkish ally, is eyeballing the KGB meeting room from a periscope in the city sewer below the Russian Embassy.
Spy vs. Spy anybody? The English have been at it for years now?
Silly, childish shit we humans get up to in our one-upmanship in the name o' "National Security", a.k.a., power-brokering for the Corporate or Totalitarian state.
Have a good wank, o' watchers in your towers, but cool it or yer'll go blind!
"Ah, fill the cup: -what boots it to repeat
How time is slipping underneath our Feet:
Unborn To-morrow and dead Yesterday,
Why fret about them if Today be sweet?"
-A wise Persian.
 
 
+15 # RHytonen 2012-12-03 18:34
natalie -
The problem wih a police state is, disagreeing is all it takes to be considered dangerous.

If you're not familiar with Pastor Niemoller's poem, you should be.
It begins (and you can google it by this phrase,) "First they came for..."

When the tool you're holding is a hammer everything looks like a nail.
 
 
0 # tomtom 2012-12-05 10:53
And when the tool you are holding is a gun....well, if it isn't Ted Nugent?
 
 
+6 # lorenbliss 2012-12-03 21:18
This sort of surveillance has been a fact of life for those of us on the (real) Left at least since the Vietnam Era and probably well before that.

That's because we understood the underlying truths of capitalism: that it is infinite greed elevated to maximum virtue, and that its denial of economic democracy is the denial of every other form of democracy.

Marx recognized 164 years ago that capitalism is tyranny. Though the term "fascist" did not then exist, he saw its emergence with startling clarity, reasoning that capitalism could sustain itself only by seizing, merging with and eventually becoming the state: precisely what has happened to the United States at every level of government.

Thus capitalist governance has always aspired toward absolute power and unlimited profit for the Ruling Class, total subjugation for everyone else. Thus too the emergence of the modern surveillance state: not merely to control the Working Class, but to grant the Ruling Class the merciless omnipotence it requires to survive the truly unspeakable horrors of the now-unavoidable apocalypse.

How? By the enslavement and/or extermination of everyone else.

The surveillance files? They're merely to determine who gets murdered first -- perhaps to become the nutritional equivalent of Soylent Green.
 
 
-3 # Mannstein 2012-12-05 10:27
"Marx recognized 164 years ago that capitalism is tyranny."

And what he proposed to replace it with was a workers paradise with its Gulag death camps and 100 million victims according to "The Black Book of Communism" by Stephane Courtois et al.

Please don't tell me if it wasn't for Uncle Joe who perverted Marx's perfect society everything would have turned out wonderfully.
 
 
0 # RHytonen 2012-12-06 07:32
Quoting Mannstein:
"Marx recognized 164 years ago that capitalism is tyranny."

And what he proposed to replace it with was a workers paradise with its Gulag death camps and 100 million victims according to "The Black Book of Communism" by Stephane Courtois et al.

Please don't tell me if it wasn't for Uncle Joe who perverted Marx's perfect society everything would have turned out wonderfully.


Those are not the only choices.
To suggest it, argues FOR Marx, not against him.
 
 
0 # Mannstein 2012-12-07 21:22
It was you that brought up Marx and implied that his model was superior to ours. By your suggestion you are arguing FOR Marx not against him to use your words.

The bottom line is his system was a disaster for 100 Million victims whether you admit it or not.
 
 
0 # mdhome 2012-12-08 07:35
That was not marxism and anyone who has read anything knows it.
 
 
0 # mdhome 2012-12-08 07:38
In all likelihood, a true Marxist society is impossible , because of human greed.
 
 
+2 # Kootenay Coyote 2012-12-03 21:46
Big Brother Sam is watching you. In fact, the miserable brute is lawlessly watching everyone. & we thought the East German VOPOs were bad.....
 
 
+7 # futhark 2012-12-03 21:50
Hey, the guy y'all were just cheering so loudly for having won the last presidential election is one of the most consistent proponents of the surveillance state apparatus, extensions of the PATRIOT Act, letting big communications companies off the hook for violating the Constitutional rights of citizens in the 2008 FISA Amendment, etc. This is serious business and should be taken seriously. Just because a candidate poses as an alternative to something really nasty doesn't mean that he doesn't have some skeletons in his closet, too. In the next election, let's find a candidate who takes his oath of office to support and defend the Constitutions, including the Bill of Rights, seriously and doesn't offer the lame excuse that his primary job is to defend the American people.
 
 
+7 # RHytonen 2012-12-04 07:31
Quoting futhark:
Hey, the guy y'all were just cheering so loudly for having won the last presidential election is one of the most consistent proponents of the surveillance state apparatus, extensions of the PATRIOT Act, letting big communications companies off the hook for violating the Constitutional rights of citizens in the 2008 FISA Amendment, etc. This is serious business and should be taken seriously. Just because a candidate poses as an alternative to something really nasty doesn't mean that he doesn't have some skeletons in his closet, too. In the next election, let's find a candidate who takes his oath of office to support and defend the Constitutions, including the Bill of Rights, seriously and doesn't offer the lame excuse that his primary job is to defend the American people.


We had one - her name was Jill Stein.
People believed the antiquated bovine excrement that held you should vote for whom THEY wanted you to, 'to defeat their opponent' - as if there were only one.

Now they can claim "America REJECTED" the list of issues at jillstein.org/i ssues - even when polls show 71% of America agree with those issue positions. Add that 40% of eligible voters DIDN'T VOTE - enough to have easily elected a third party candidate.

We'll have what we do now, and worse, until we realize it takes about HALF your total waking time,every day, to pay attention to what your government is doing - or you get........ this.

You're not free until you realize it.
 
 
+5 # futhark 2012-12-04 19:55
RHytonen: 100% agreement with your statement. Dr. Stein received my vote. Unless the whole two party system is taken apart and the political process is rebuilt so that those who make Faustian bargains with the plutocracy, the military-indust rial complex, and the surveillance state apparatus (three heads of one monster) are the only ones to qualify for nomination, it is doubtful that I will ever cast another vote for a "major party" candidate.
 
 
+4 # RHytonen 2012-12-04 21:11
We voted, and will be voting (and volunteering) Green ("Mountain Party," here in WV,) wherever there is a candidate.
And ALWAYS against fascist Coal/Gas/Oil corporatists like the execrable Manchin and governor Tomblin.
 
 
+4 # RnR 2012-12-03 22:09
What a relief! I was hoping my frequent, profanity laced tirades about the government, republicans, nsa, cia, etc., were not in vain :)
 
 
+7 # mdhome 2012-12-03 22:46
A few years ago my computer totally crashed, losing thousands of pictures and documents, Could I get them to send me those files? preferably in a zip file? A few of those pictures really were priceless, so much for doing a back-up. when its dead its dead! Which spy agency should I contact for this?
 
 
+4 # JetpackAngel 2012-12-04 04:39
So THIS is why the government allows "Person of Interest" to exist: it's a fairy tale designed to make us love The Machine!
 
 
+6 # readerz 2012-12-04 08:30
Folks, I realize that I have made a huge mistake.

Those who do not like me already know who I am.

The government already knows; those of other political parties. People at church (the one I walked out on this year) already know.

So, I would like my friends at RSN to know.
I am Elizabeth Dowling. I live in Akron Ohio.

I won't repeat this again and again, because there are still some trolls that I don't particularly like to deal with, but that's what my spam box is for. Please don't try to sell me stuff; I don't buy it. Otherwise, here I am. I am American, and proud of my liberty, and willing to stand up for who I am.
 
 
-1 # charsjcca 2012-12-04 09:05
I have not talked on a 'secure' telephone of my own since 1963. Hence, I am not bothered now that all the pay phone are gone.
 
 
+5 # Anarchist 23 2012-12-05 17:41
As Mrs. Figg said in Harry Potter "You may as well be hung for a dragon as an egg." If they come to get me, they come and get me. As someone else wrote (I forget who) "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do (or say-my interpolation) nothing"PS 911 was an inside job just like the Kennedy assassinations! Put that in your pipe and smoke it, NSA,CIA etc!
 
 
+3 # CandH 2012-12-05 20:57
Here's a good explanation for: "Binney says that social networks analysis is being carried out on all Americans, and that if for any reason the clique in charge of the govt decides to target an individual, they can go back and analyze the electronic records on him or her for damning information."

Observe the "US-style Arbeit Macht Frei" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei:)

"While there’s an argument for each of those perspectives, one thing is certain: Because the U.S. leads the world in the number of people living behind bars, and because businesses already realize that plentiful, dirt-cheap prison labor could be a panacea, prison labor is not only going to continue, but as more inmates are “harvested,” as more of them are trained in diverse industries, it’s likely to expand exponentially. [...]

The day could come where America’s burgeoning prison population is responsible for a significant amount of the country’s manual labor. Of course, the irony in that is overwhelming. The thought that those “call centers” in India were once considered a major threat to our economy seems almost quaint by comparison."

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/12/05/the-new-business-modelsteal-a-coat-go-to-jail-make-a-coat-in-prison/
 
 
0 # Left Coast 2012-12-05 21:43
Oh Boy! Will we have as many cameras scattered around as they do in Beijing-Tiennme n Square?
 

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