Volsky writes: "Paul Ryan spoke for 40 of the 90 minutes during Thursday night's vice presidential debate and managed to tell at least 24 myths during that time."
Paul Ryan and Vice President Joe Biden at last night's debate. (photo: ThinkProgress)
Paul Ryan Told 24 Myths in 40 Minutes
12 October 12
aul Ryan spoke for 40 of the 90 minutes during Thursday night's vice presidential debate and managed to tell at least 24 myths during that time:
- "It took the president two weeks to acknowledge that [the Libya attack] was a terrorist attack." Obama used the word "terrorism" to describe the killing of Americans the very next day at the Rose Garden. "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for," Obama said in a Rose Garden statement on September 12.
- "The administration was blocking us every step of the way. Only because we had strong bipartisan support for these tough [Iran] sanctions were we able to overrule their objections and put them in spite of the administration." Even the Israeli President has effusively praised President Obama's leadership on getting American and international sanctions on Iran, which have significantly slowed Iran's progress.
- "Medicare and Social Security are going bankrupt. These are indisputable facts." [T]he possibility of Medicare going bankrupt is - and historically has been - greatly exaggerated. In fact, if no changes are made, Medicare would still be able to meet 88 percent of its obligations in 2085. Social Security is fully funded for another two decades and could pay 75 percent of its benefits thereafter. There is also an easy way to ensure the program's long-term solvency without large changes or cuts to benefits.
- "The vice president was in charge of overseeing this. $90 billion in green pork to campaign contributors and special interest groups." Multiple reviews, including an independent review of all Department Of Energy loan programs by Herb Allison – finance chair for McCain for President 2008 – have found no "pork" in the stimulus' funding of green projects, concluding that the loans were not steered to friends or family, as Ryan claims.
- "Was it a good idea to spend taxpayer dollars on electric cars in Finland, or on windmills in China?" As PolitiFact has pointed out, the money for electric cars in Finland did not come from the stimulus. Rather, it originated with the Energy Department's Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing program, which predated the Obama administration. The claim about "windmills in China" is also inaccurate.
- "When they see us putting – when they see us putting daylight between ourselves and our allies in Israel, that gives them encouragement." The Israeli Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister, Ehud Barak, told CNN, "President Obama is doing … more than anything that I can remember in the past [in regard to our security]."
- "You see, if you reform these programs for my generation, people 54 and below, you can guarantee they don't change for people in or near retirement." Here is how the Romney/Ryan Medicare plan will affect current seniors: 1) by repealing Obamacare, the 16 million seniors receiving preventive benefits without deductibles or co-pays and are saving $3.9 billion on prescription drugs will see a cost increase, 2) "premium support" will increase premiums for existing beneficiaries as private insurers lure healthier seniors out of the traditional Medicare program, 3) Romney/Ryan would also lower Medicaid spending significantly beginning next year, shifting federal spending to states and beneficiaries, and increasing costs for the 9 million Medicare recipients who are dependent on Medicaid.
- "Obamacare takes $716 billion from Medicare to spend on Obamacare." Ryan is claiming that Obamacare siphons off $716 billion from Medicare, to the detriment of Medicare beneficiaries. In actuality, that money is saved primarily through reducing over-payments to insurance companies under Medicare Advantage, cutting waste fraud and abuse, and eliminating inefficiencies in the system. Ryan's budget plan keeps those same cuts, but directs them toward tax cuts for the rich and deficit reduction.
- "And then they put this new Obamacare board in charge of cutting Medicare each and every year in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors." The Board, or IPAB is tasked with making binding recommendations to Congress for lowering health care spending, should Medicare costs exceed a target growth rate. Congress can accept the savings proposal or implement its own ideas through a super majority. The panel's plan will modify payments to providers but it cannot "include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums…increase Medicare beneficiary cost-sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and co- payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria" (Section 3403 of the ACA). Relying on health care experts rather than politicians to control health care costs has previously attracted bipartisan support and even Ryan himself proposed two IPAB-like structures in a 2009 health plan.
- "7.4 million seniors are projected to lose their current Medicare Advantage coverage they have. That's a $3,200 benefit cut." Enrollment is actually projected to increase by 11 percent in Medicare Advantage (MA) in 2013. Since the Affordable Care Act was enacted in 2010, Medicare Advantage premiums have decreased an average of 10 percent and enrollment in these plans has increased 28 percent.
- "This [Medicare premium support] plan that's bipartisan. It's a plan I put together with a prominent Democrat senator from Oregon." Wyden not only voted against Ryan's budget, he also called the idea that he supported it "nonsense."
- "Eight out of 10 businesses, they file their taxes as individuals, not as corporations." Far less than half of the people affected by the expiration of the upper income tax cuts get any of their income at all from a small businesses. And those people could very well be receiving speaking fees or book royalties, which qualify as "small business income" but don't have a direct impact on job creation. It's actually hard to find a small business who think that they will be hurt if the marginal tax rate on income earned above $250,000 per year is increased.
- "[Unemployment is rising] all around America." In August, the unemployment rate dropped from a year before in 325 of 372 metro areas surveyed by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
- "The average tax rate on businesses in the industrialized world is 25 percent, and the president wants the top effective tax rate on successful small businesses to go above 40 percent." The U.S. is raising historically low amounts of revenue from the corporate income tax, and it already has the second lowest effective corporate tax rate in the world. U.S. corporations are taxed less than their foreign rivals, and the U.S. effective corporate tax rate is low compared to other developed economies.
- "He'll keep saying this $5 trillion plan, I suppose. It's been discredited by six other studies." The studies Ryan cites actually further prove that Romney/Ryan would, in fact, have to raise taxes on the middle class if he were to keep his promise not to lose revenue with his tax rate reduction.
- "You can – you can cut tax rates by 20 percent and still preserve these important preferences for middle-class taxpayer. It is mathematically possible. It's been done before. It's precisely what we're proposing." If Romney/Ryan hope to provide tax relief to the middle class, then their $5 trillion tax cut would add to the deficit. There are not enough deductions in the tax code that primarily benefit rich people to make his math work. As the Tax Policy Center concluded, Romney's plan can't both exempt middle class families from tax cuts and remain revenue neutral. "He's promised all these things and he can't do them all. In order for him to cover the cost of his tax cut without adding to the deficit, he'd have to find a way to raise taxes on middle income people or people making less than $200,000 a year," the Center found.
- "So they proposed a $478 billion cut to defense to begin with. Now we have another $500 billion cut to defense that's lurking on the horizon. They insisted upon that cut being involved in the debt negotiations, and so we have a $1 trillion cut." Ryan has frequently gotten in hot water for criticizing President Obama for the very same defense cuts that he voted for in 2011.
- "If these cuts go through, our Navy will be the smallest – the smallest it has been since before World War I." PolitiFact rated this claim as "Pants on Fire," noting that "a wide range of experts told us it's wrong to assume that a decline in the number of ships or aircraft automatically means a weaker military."
- "Look at what they're doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They're infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals." Religious institutions haven't been forced to "violate their conscience" by paying for contraception. Houses of worship and other religious nonprofits that primarily employ and serve people of the same faith will be exempt from offering birth control.
- "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it. Try telling that to the 20 million people who are projected to lose their health insurance if Obamacare goes through or the 7-point million – 7.4 million seniors who are going to lose it." The Affordable Care Act would actually expand health care coverage to 30 million Americans and all seniors will keep their guranteed Medicare benefits, despite Ryan's fear mongering. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that very few people will have to enroll in new coverage.
- "We should not have called Bashar Assad a reformer when he was turning his Russian-provided guns on his own people." In March 2011, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton noted that "many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe he's a reformer." However, she did not endorse their view.
- "When Barack Obama was elected, they had enough fissile material - nuclear material to make one bomb. Now they have enough for five." This is misleading and unproven. Iran now has enough fissile material, but has not yet enriched to the necessary level for a weapon. The Institute for Science and International Security says "it would take Iran more than two months to produce that amount if it started with 20%-grade uranium, and ‘several months' to make enough for a bomb using low-enriched uranium. That would give the world community enough time to detect the operation and organize a response, ISIS noted in June."
- "[Iran is] racing toward a nuclear weapon." Israeli and American intelligence officials aren't so sure.
- "We don't want to do is give our allies reason to trust us less [by announcing a withdrawal timeline for Afghanistan]." It's unclear how our allies would trust us less since they too agreed to the timeline. As Biden pointed outed, "That's a bizarre statement... Forty-nine of our allies - hear me - 49 of our allies signed on to this position."
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If it is believed, the lie transfers to the believer; this is either delusion or an accessory to the lie.
People have no idea just how much nominalism they have come to accept in modern life: we live in a "democracy," but we do not have equal representation in the Senate, Electoral College, and no equal access to representation. Everything is "regulated" by government, but not the chemicals in fracking, and employers may "fire at will." The list goes on and on and on... so much so that people do not notice just a few more grand fibs.
I am a likely voter (if you can call "100% sure absolutely positively definitely going to vote" likely!), and mostly concerned with Romney and Ryan's incessant INTENTIONAL lying and deceit.
They are men WITHOUT PRINCIPLES, but WITH OBJECTIVES. They will say and do ANYTHING to get elected, and I shutter imagining what they would do if elected.
1. The Embassy in Libya didn't ask for additional security.
2. No religious institution is required to refer to, pay for or be an instrument for the provision of contraceptives.
This Administration has consistently lied to the public about raising taxes and deliberately deferred the inplementation of "tax" increases on the middle class and on home sales until after the election.
The Embassy in Libya did not ask the White House; that is factual. The Republican Congress reduced funding for Embassy security; that is also factual.
Religious institutions are not required to pay for contraceptives, but insurance companies are, even when contracted by a religious institution.
Try to get the facts from real sources, not from right wing talking points and echo chambers.
The reduced funding had nothing to do with the specific decision to deny the request; resources were available and the request could have been granted.
Who do you think will pay the premium so the "insurance companies" will pay for the contraceptives? This last point was attempted fraud by the Administration, but I see it worked with some people.
To deny the coverage the rest of Americans get to those people who happen to work for a "religious" employer is unfair to the employee. This is not a theocracy. The Roman Catholic Church is NOT MY FREAKIN" GOVERNMENT! My taxes pay for the drone-induced deaths of innocent children in Arabia — I have no say about that, so join the club — it's called a democracy.
As regards, the US embassy in Libya, first Republicans cut DoS security funding. Second, the DoS is a big bureaucracy and very little of the day to day operation ever reaches the higher-ups. A request for additional security is a routine request and not routed to say the SecState. The DoS instead has to try and prioritize its funds wisely, so quite often those resources are directed to prtect the butts of members of congress or the senate off on junkets billed to their constituents as fact-finding. Statistically, most moc are Reps, so statistically they used the funds that should have gone to Benghazi consulate security.
When opinionaire proved YOU were the one saying things that weren't true, opinionaire DIDN'T call you a liar. He only suggested you were repeating right-wing talking points.
Apparently, YOUR SOURCES are the ones lying to you. Let me guess - you don't mind either, do you?
Based on my religion, there is no way that I could vote for any Republican.
You better cut the pizza in four pieces because I'm not hungry enough to eat six.
Yogi Berra
-Frank Zappa
-James 2:5-7
18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
James 2:14-19
I vaguely recall reading in Malcolm Clark's 2003 "Islam for Dummies" that upon dying, every believer must display his tally of good deeds to Allah before being admitted to Heaven.
But first he must settle accounts with those whom he has offended; each has the right to remove from the coffer a token commensurate to the magnitude of the offense committed back during life.
The supplicant must hope his good deeds outnumber his transgressions. I'm not Muslim, but I rather appreciate the concept.
Neither does the bible..
Obama-Biden 2012
"O' wad some power the giftie gei us, to oorsel's as others see us".
Robert Burns. -Take a look in the mirror.
GOP = anti-intellectu alism
Hear, hear. "A statement that is calculated to deceive or to confuse is a lie. If the liar has gone to the trouble of wording his misleading assertions in order to ensure that his actual words aren’t technically, literally, in the strictest possible sense, contrary to fact, then he is not less of a liar but more of one."
That's from the introduction of a book about conservative lies, which I've just had published. If you agree with that sentiment, I think you'll enjoy the book - please consider checking it out: http://www.amazon.com/Pack-Lies-Volume-Two-ebook/dp/B009K6DXPY/
Romney said, "Obamacare will create an unelected board, an appointed board, who are going to decide what kind of [medical] treatment you ought to have."
Obama replied, "No, it isn't."
There it is, plain as day. Your president lying to you on national TV.
I am not only sick of the lies of the Republicans, but I am sick of the lies of the major media.
"Who won the vice presidential debate? Doesn’t matter: The question pollsters should have asked was: Is Obama still bleeding?"
It certainly "mattered" when yahoo thought romney beat the President.
The truth certainly matters, even though the far right doesn't want it to - as evidenced by ayn ryan's lack of respect for it last night.
"Was Joe Biden too mean for ‘Iowa nice’ voters? 'I thought Joe did a great job, but I wish that he didn’t interrupt so much.' ”
I LOVE how yahoo suddenly thinks interrupting is in bad form, especially when that's all Twit did through his entire performance.
Out of all 4 candidates, Joe is the only true champion of the middle class. He's never sold out his core values climbing up th political ladder.
You could tell Ryan had been programmed. But he had respect for Mr. Biden because Joe's candid shots were causing Ryan, more than once, to pause.
The jobless economy is fixable. President Obama has given it (the banks) a chance to stabilize. But now, it's time to take the gloves off - and since Joe has focus on the core issues - let him lead the recovery charge.
We can't continue on the same path. We need a Democrat Congress ... And a lot of work to be processed in the next 4 years...includi ng repeals. Thank God for Joe Biden.
I agree that Biden is sincere and has never forgotten his blue collar roots but he is wrong that the economic crisis was simply the result of a ponzi scheme and not a much more fundamental problem of the system's overall profitability and ability to maintain the kind of growth rates that capitalism needs to continue to expand (most say it needs at least 3%).
Finally, given that nearly 50% of the country is now either in poverty or near poverty who is this middle class and why are the dems afraid to talk about the working class and the poor?
It's hard to take down your Dealer when he supplies you with the drug you crave...money.
I am in total agreement with you, however, we can't just blame Obama because Congress has failed to pass legislation. With that said Obama has people and advisers in place like Holder and Goldman Sachs who are protecting the banks.
This election would not even be close if Obama and Congress had not allowed the Federal Reserve to feed the banks with taxpayer dollars and had made the arrests of the kingpin crooks. AMERICA'S MOST WANTED should consist of Wall Street Demi-Gods like Dimon, Blankfein, Pandit, Lewis, Thain, Ackermann, Fuld, Stumpf, Dallas... Just to name a few.
Republicans and Democrats are outraged - and the real issue keeps getting ignored... It should be the core of the debates. At least Biden uttered the "F" word even if he did follow "foreclosures" by describing people who "continued to pay their mortgages" - what about all of the people who the banks won't allow to make payments and keep them wrapped up in modification hell?! There are 10 times as many waiting while the administration "foams the runway" for the banks.
Rather than accepting your derision about how "moronic" we are for not agreeing with you, some of us are thinking about our children. Whether you like it or not, punishing the Democratic Party again (like in 2010, 2000, 1980, and 1968) will only punish US.
If you want to replace the Democratic Party with something else, try to get some traction for 2016. Right now, you won't be able to do that. All you will do is weaken any opposition the left is still able to put up.
Is that your real motive?
At this point, I gotta ask you what your end game is. Mine is to save this country WITHOUT destroying it first. What's yours?
It's time for term limits. Investing in candidates is like a casino with the odds of being re-elected - just serve a limited term and return to the public sector.
The ground level DEMS are for the 99%. They have compassion and sense of consequence and understand what is happening to middle class America. Republicans are a mixture of old school "states rights", segregation and wannabe greed. The Centrist, in the middle, leans toward the greed. And politicians keep thinking a war will unite us. Since the Viet-nam debacle we've grown smarter than that.
One major point Biden made and could have elaborated on was when they took over in 2009, the World hated Americans.
It takes more than 4 years to overcome the hate. Many Hawaiians rightfully still hold a grudge because of the way America "took" over and imprisoned their Queen in 1895.
This administration has been able to calm down a lot of the worldwide condemnation.
The biggest ponzi scheme is the Republican Party: if you think that there is any integrity at all left in America, do not vote for them.
must return to pit of Hell for further lessons in effective lying!!!"
"Romney's only foreign policy experience is hiding taxable unearned income on the exotic islands where he plans to have a 2nd W.House."
You might as well ask every candidate to were a lie detector every time he speaks.
I love it! Give CNN something else to put on their coverage. While it would add a "game show" aspect to the debates, if the BS calling was quick and accurate enough, it would be a game changer. Or we could also go the way of the NFL and give each debater a certain amount of "challenges," the accuracy of which would then be determined by fact checkers. If a candidate's claim was in fact malarkey, they would lose a challenge and get a mark against them... if it was truthful, the challenger would lose their challenge and get a mark.
Let's put de bait in debate!
Have you every wondered and marveled that a typical search engine can find millions and millions of search results in 3.5 seconds and proudly display this fact on the page?
That ten second delay will be plenty of time correct 'false statements' and display on the bottom of the screen.
Ryan will lie even if the truth would serve him better. I like dependability.
Google the definition of "DOUBLE-STANDAR D" and get back to us.
I wish all politicans were similarly versed and had the interests of his constituents in their hearts. Immediately, Elizabeth Warren comes to mind.
It was very telling that his pause, when asked about his religious beliefs and abortion, went on for about 3 seconds. He spent that time trying to remember what he had said in the past, what he had been told to say, and what he really believed. He had to rehearse his reply. He did not want to reveal anything that would clearly remove his mask of deception and obfuscation. The pause was too long. His cover was exposed. He did manage to state that he believed life began at conception. It was lucky that the sonogram of his daughter reminded him of a bean; it could have as easily resulted in his daughter's nickname being 'Little Zit.'
Biden's response was the essence of American values. He basically, and correctly stated, as clearly as possible, that his beliefs should never be imposed on anyone else, especially by someone who has the power to influence the making of laws of the land.
Does anyone know if Ben Affleck is a liberal?
leaning LEFT. So, in other words when a media is trying to report a fact, and it does not jive with the ideology of its owners, it is "Left".
Check who controlls or owns them. (With very few exceptions) When the press criticized Clinton, were they communists or fascists?
We do not have a Democracy by and for the people anymore. A handful of very powerful people have learned from George Creel and Dr Goebbells
how to control the public at large. They have succeeded because the "Myths", I call lies, have become "Truth" Unless the public at large takes the effort
and "follows the money" to learn the real facts, we will be doomed. Take the trouble and time to read the "FOCUS - Paul Ryan told 24 Myths in 40 Minutes".
Also, at least take the time to listen to "opposite views" as well. Whether one likes it or not, having FOX as the only source, you will become part of your environment.
To quote Dr Goebbels: Tell a lie often enough and it will become the truth. (paraphrased). This is the real difference between believing something versus knowing it.
Take the time to be informed even if it means you have to skip a "Sports Event". It will become more interesting and riveting than a good crime novel.
24 "myths" (or well-tailored flat-out lies) in 40 minutes.
That comes out to .6 lies per minute from Ryan as compared with just over .7 lies per minute for Romney. (Probably his "youthful inexperience" at being a con man.) Match made in heaven for Rove/Koch et al, but a duo of devils for those without money or jobs to import offshore. Like people who need to eat, tend to health, families, children, jobs, our society, our hopes...
While I see young people trumpeting how Biden cleaned Ryan's clock (in terms of facts and confronting the constant lies) - still there are some who think - for some reason - that Ryan presented better. (Why? Hatred for Obama... Willingness to suspend reality and accept the T-Rove-Koch propaganda...)
It's not over. Score is (by most counts) 1 big 'win' for the Romney handlers, one win for the factual world of Biden. But still the wide pro-Obama gap is gone, and some tarnish and questions remain. We'll see how the new (unchained?) Obama does debate #2, if in fact debates matter (which does seem to be the case!).
Most voters already made up their minds, and some voted even before the debates. The rules keep changing - on unlimited corruption (blood money endorsed by SCOTUS), on early election voting, notions of fairness, truthfulness, and the role played by big money, big media, and big spinning of reality within the Romney/Ryan alternative world.
US intelligence experts know that if Iran wanted to assassinate someone they wouldn't waste their time trying to hire some half-assed used car dealer to get them a Mexican drug cartel killer to do the job. The story is entirely beyond belief, which is why it has lain fallow until it could be used for political purposes.
1. a traditional story of unknown authorship, serving usually to explain some phenomenon of nature, the origin of man, or the customs, institutions, etc. of a people: cf. legend.
2. such stories collectively; mythology.
3. any fictitious story.
4. any imaginary person or thing.
Obviously, the use of the word 'myth' does not effectively portray what Ryan presented as facts. Maybe #3 & #4 conveys some sense of what went on.
The word 'lie' conveys a much more precise description of what Ryan was doing. Sorry Mr. Volsky, a poor choice of words!
I give credit to Mittens as a business man. If our times were like they were under Eisenhauer we'd have a good solid guy to keep the status quo of prosperity moving, but we don't have those times. Even FDR made mistakes despite his greatness.
We can't switch mid-stream now, folks. Give O another 4 years. We need stability in leadership now.Very hard times ahead for us and the world. O has the knowledge and White House experience. Face it. All leaders love the power, and most are self-serving. Sure wish we had an FDR though.
Personally, I believe no man should be elected to the presidency who has not served in a war, who has not seen guts and brains spilled, or had a comrade kill himself from pain. Nor, should he/she be under age 55. Too many 'little boys in grown up clothing.' .AMEN!
Vote Dem across the board on election day!
The first time this struck me was in the Gore-Bush debates. The media panned then VEEP Gore for being "boring." How about Intelligent, Thoughtful, Measured--the qualities we actually need in the leader of a powerful country. When you push aside the intellect in favor of style, as in the 1st debate between Romney & President Obama, no one can expect a bright tomorrow--excep t the mega wealthy.
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