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Bello & Fitrakis write: "A more important story, however, is the fact that Bain alumni, now raising big money as Romney bundlers are also in the electronic voting machine business."

An eSlate touch-screen voting machines manufactured by Hart InterCivic. (photo: Austin Chronicle)
An eSlate touch-screen voting machines manufactured by Hart InterCivic. (photo: Austin Chronicle)


Vote Counting Company Tied to Romney

By Gerry Bello & Bob Fitrakis, Free Press

29 September 12

 

everal Tanker trucks full of political ink have been spilled on Mitt Romney's tenure as a vulture capitalist at Bain Capital. A more important story, however, is the fact that Bain alumni, now raising big money as Romney bundlers are also in the electronic voting machine business. This appears to be a repeat of the the infamous former CEO of Diebold Wally O’Dell, who raised money for Bush while his company supplied voting machines and election management software in the 2004 election.

In all 234 counties of Texas, the entire states of Hawaii and Oklahoma, half of Washington and Colorado, and certain counties in swing state Ohio, votes will be cast on eSlate and ePollbook machines made by Hart Intercivic. Hart Intercivic machines have famously failed in Tarrant County (Ft. Worth), adding 10,000 non-existant votes. The EVEREST study, commissioned by the Ohio secretary of state in 2007, found serious security flaws with Hart Intercivic products.

Looking beyond the well-documented Google choking laundry list of apparent fraud, failure and seeming corruption that is associated with Hart Intercivic, an ongoing Free Press investigation turned its attention to the key question of who owns the voting machine companies. The majority of the directors of Hart come from the private equity firm H.I.G. Capital. H.I.G. has been heavily invested in Hart Intercivic since July 2011, just in time for the current presidential election cycle. But who is H.I.G Capital?

Out of 49 partners and directors, 48 are men, and 47 are white. Eleven of these men, including H.I.G. Founder Tony Tamer, were formerly employed at Bain and Company, and two of those men, John P. Bolduc, Douglas Berman, are Romney bundlers along with former Bain and H.I.G. manager Brian Shortsleeve.

Additionally, four of these men were formerly employed at Booz Allen Hamilton. Booz Allen, now owned by the Bush family friendly Carlyle group, also made voting machines for the United States military. Booz Allen was also the key subcontractor for the controversial PioneerGroundbreaker program, an NSA data mining operation that gathered information on American citizens until it was shut down and replaced with even more invasive successor programs like MATRIX and Total Information Awareness.

H.I.G. Capital employees have given $338,000 to Mitt Romney's campaign. That amounts to over $1500 per employee. Bain Capital, Mitt's former company, by comparison, only gave him $268,000. H.I.G. is the 11th largest donor to the Romney Campaign. Clearly they are working really hard for their man. It appears that they will work even harder on election night. Although not boisterously promising to deliver states where their machines are to Romney as Wally O'Dell of Diebold did for Bush in 2004, they can launder hundreds of thousands of votes and swing the vote in the crucial swing state Ohio.

Will Mitt's cronies steal our democracy the way they stole our jobs? Time will tell, but they have certainly positioned themselves to do so if they choose.

In our first investigative article Who owns Scytl? George Soros isn’t in the voting machines, but the intelligence community is.

the Free Press revealed that Scytl, a Spanish-based company now contracted to count 25% of the U.S. presidential vote, has ties to Booz Allen. Scytl's start up funding comes from three European Venture Capital Firms, Balderton Capital, Nauta Capital, and Spinnaker SCR. The director of Nauta's American operations is Dominic Endicott, who went from Cluster Consulting to Booz Allen Hamilton (NYSE: BAH) where he oversaw wireless practice. He then rejoined his former colleagues from Cluster Consulting at Nauta. In his capacity as a Nauta partner Endicott also sits on the board of CarrierIQ.

Scytl has emerged as the most mysterious election counting company in this presidential election. Scytl claims to have a Scytl USA division located in Glen Allen, Virginia. The following is a photo of the Scytl USA national corporate offices at 6012 Glen Allen Drive. The land deed records show that the ownership of the property at that address is Hugh Gallagher, now listed as the managing director of Scytl USA. The deed, which was prepared in Ohio by a relocation firm in 2002, pre-dates the creation of Scytl USA. A Scytl USA sales office is located in Baltimore, Maryland, and appears to be a Rent-an-Office, often referred to as a "virtual" office with a shared secretary that serves as a mail drop.

The ties of Hart Intercivic to Romney fund-raisers and Bain alumni should cause concern in the Obama re-election campaign. So, should the mysterious Spanish owned company, Scytl, with a U.S operation that seems to be an illusion.

 

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+258 # AMLLLLL 2012-09-29 10:26
So the recent right wing yammering about the 'biased' polls may be the set-up for tweaking the machines. It's the only option left and they WILL use it. We need to stay on this.
 
 
+202 # mdhome 2012-09-29 11:09
Hart Intercivic machines have famously failed in Tarrant County (Ft. Worth), adding 10,000 non-existant votes. It is not who votes that count, its who counts the vote.
 
 
+131 # popeye47 2012-09-29 12:46
Is this the year they steal the election again??? If they can't win fair and square then they fall to plan B, which is to steal the votes. Is there any justice any more.
 
 
+28 # 666 2012-09-30 17:57
of course they are. hasn't that been the plan all along? put forth a doofus of a candidate, create his agenda, make the dems scream, then steal the election anyway.
 
 
+27 # CL38 2012-09-30 18:09
What's baffling to me is that there was a lot of information after the 2004 'election' indicating that machines had been tampered with. Where have the Democrats been since then, especially with the right wing racist determination to see the first black President 'lose' this election???
 
 
+18 # JSRaleigh 2012-10-01 07:57
Quoting CL38:
What's baffling to me is that there was a lot of information after the 2004 'election' indicating that machines had been tampered with. Where have the Democrats been since then, especially with the right wing racist determination to see the first black President 'lose' this election???


When the GOP "won" the election in 2004 they gained control of the apparatus for investigating fraud.

Do you really expect them to investigate the corporations that stole the election for them when somewhere out there an unwed mother got an extra $10 in food stamps she wasn't supposed to get?
 
 
+239 # genierae 2012-09-29 10:29
Living in Ohio in 2004, I was a witness to exit polls that said Kerry won, while voting machines re-elected Bush. There was an investigation but nothing came of it. I hope that the Obama campaign is aware of the strong possibility of voting machine fraud in the coming election, and is doing something about it. There's no integrity in the Romney campaign organization, they will stop at nothing to elect this inept and corrupt politician.
 
 
+125 # Nell H 2012-09-29 11:54
It's very strange that we in the US use correspondence with exit polls to judge the honesty of foreign elections, but completely disregard them in our own country.

Remember the infamous Georgia election where the machine results contradicted both pre-election polls and exit polls that the Democratic candidates for Governor and US Senate would win. It just so happened that technicians from Dibold had put a "patch" on the machines to fix a clock malfunction a few days before the election. And, oh yes, the "patch" didn't fix the clock problem.
 
 
+143 # Bill Clements 2012-09-29 11:56
I contacted the Obama campaign this morning via email with a link to this story.
 
 
+53 # cherylpetro 2012-09-29 18:45
I am sure they are on top of it, but can't take chances! Put it on Romney's Face Book page too! Let his followers see what a schmuck he is! I do it all of the time! Copy the Twitter link and past it wherever you want it seen!
 
 
+5 # genierae 2012-09-30 13:40
Excellent idea!
 
 
+7 # CL38 2012-09-30 18:02
I did the same. Hopefully if they hear from enough people, they'll investigate. You would think with all the spying that goes on now, that our government would be on top of things like this??
 
 
+10 # karenvista 2012-10-01 21:37
Here's the solution to our problem!

Software from Smartmatic and Sequoia created here in the USA, machines made by Olivetti in Rome-Courtesy of Hugo Chavez.

"Former President Jimmy Carter has praised Venezuela for a touch-screen voting system that both stores votes electronically and via paper ballots, allowing easier verification of the election results."

"As a matter of fact, of the 92 elections that we've monitored, I would say the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world," Mr. Carter said, noting the center's extensive work monitoring elections around the globe.

More:
http://www.globalatlanta.com/article/2578
8/

The system is touchscreen. The voter enters the booth after it has been activated by the voter personnel who verify registration, etc.

The voter makes his selections on the screen and can change his selections, page forward, backward and review his vote until satisfied. He then presses the "Vote" box and his paper ballot is printed out from his machine.

The voter takes the paper and- confirms that the questions and the votes registered are correct. He folds the paper in half to guarantee privacy, returns to the voting table, and puts the paper ballot in the ballot box in front of the table members and witnesses.

AND WE ARE TOLD IT CAN'T BE DONE!
 
 
-2 # James Smith 2012-10-02 06:42
How ironic this would be from Venezuela where Chavez is trying to impose a totalitarian dictatorship.

Do you think there's any chance he has found a way to subvert this system? (yes, I am being sarcastic)
 
 
+146 # maddave 2012-09-29 10:36
Considering the GOP's morbid concern about voter fraud; recent revelations about un-auditable, hackable voting machines (long a concern); mass-disenfranc hisement & chicanery at States' levels; and, now, (newly reported) mass RNC-sanctioned alteration & destruction of liberal-minorit y-Democratic voters' registration forms. . . , if tis is true, let us all cry "Foul!", and I'll grudgingly fall in line to support massive extra-judicial federal intervention in the offending States' voting process. The objective would be to ensure fair registration & unimpeded voting PLUS--- until the voting machine questions are unquestionably resolved, a return to uniform, manual voting systems. If postponing the General Election is necessary, so be it!

And, yes, I understand that such action would require the imposition of some level of martial law, but our entire political system is at stake. If we allow groups of people ---independentl y or in concert ---to steal this election and, consequently, our Federal Judiciary, the Constitution will become nothing more than a quaint historical document - essentially a bird cage liner.
 
 
+92 # maddave 2012-09-29 11:05
P. S. The precedent for the THREATENED use of Federal force was set in Alabama & Arkansas when troops were sent in to ensure school integration. Clean, fair voting in the several contested States is certainly as important to our Constitutional Government as was the de-segregation of a few local schools.
 
 
+94 # Regina 2012-09-29 12:08
Technology is wonderful -- isn't it amazing that our ATMs are generally reliable, but voting machines made by some of the same companies -- notably Diebold -- are so available for finagling?
 
 
+37 # lollie 2012-09-29 13:47
Exactly, so why can't we vote online? it would save the states a lot of money, and be more convenient for the voter, and possibly as secure as online banking.
 
 
+9 # cherylpetro 2012-09-29 18:49
Hackers online....
 
 
+7 # ptalady 2012-09-29 23:01
frankly, I now wonder about ATMs. A dollar her, a dollar there -- it could really start to add up!
 
 
+88 # coach777b 2012-09-29 16:54
How dumb as a nation are we that we turn over this vital process to a private company! How dumb are we that we don't yet understand that if repugs are given access to unauditable voting machines, they will "tinker" with them. Why does a bear shit in the woods? And then to be unable to locate the HQ of a voting machine company, what gives?
ALL voting machines, and any related software, should be OWNED by the government, Federal, State and/or local and put into place for each election. A government employee should guard these machines from any unauthorized access and secure them back to a bonded warehouse, privatizing our elections does not, will not work!
 
 
+19 # ptalady 2012-09-29 23:08
Your welcoming of martial law is really frightening. However, I imagine you are on to something -- if we ever do get martial law, it will come because the opposition to those who would relish it (e.g. progressive commentators on RSN) start to beg for it. As they did in the aftermath of Katrina. Which, of course, may have been an act of God, or of....

How about this, just use paper ballots and count them by hand; let the delay be in the announcement of the results, rather than in the postponement of the election. We could have public school students count the votes -- it really shouldn't be that difficult to get a decent count.
 
 
+11 # maddave 2012-09-30 00:46
Regarding the imposition of martial law in a functioning democracy/repub lic: it happens only with VERY great difficulty. As a matter of fact, probably the ONLY thing more difficult than imposing military law is trying to get rid of it later on. Consequently, it is not something to be embarked upon lightly.

As for my proposed delay, though unconstitutiona l, I see it as a lesser of two unconstitutiona l evils ... the greater being the disenfranchisem ent of a large segment of our electorate by reactionary, racist legislators. This truly un-american activity hat has progressed to a point at which more time will be necessary to reverse the damage that has already been done.

Having school kids count paper ballots as opposed to using hackable electronic voting machines? What a novel, new idea. Get the little boogers involved in hands-on Democracy early. Only from a ptalady! Brava.
 
 
+70 # Ray Kondrasuk 2012-09-29 10:48
I'm not familiar with the machines Gerry and Bob mention.

Here in Eau Claire County, Wisconsin, we use the Eagle scanning machine for tallying paper ballots which are of course retained, and also the Edge touch-screen machine made by Sequoia. The Edge simultaneously prints a paper record which is secured for possible review ( as happened after our last state supreme court election)

Both D's and R's set up and close down the machines in courteous, clean collaboration. The system works here.
 
 
+17 # CTPatriot 2012-09-30 04:36
Unless you have a state run audit requiring a hand count of the individual paper ballots from random districts after the election, you really have no clue whether your voting machines actually work as advertised. You only have the illusion that your votes are being tallied properly.

Even then, the safest way to run an election is paper ballots counted entirely by hand, as they do in Canada, Germany and many other countries.
 
 
+4 # HJ7 2012-09-30 18:02
I don't know the German situation but in Canada you simply vote for a local MP. One tick on one ballot, very easy to count. Each party appoints someone to be present amd observe while the count is done.

I understand that in the US you vote for many positions from dog catcher on up and the ballots are much more complicated, hence harder to count by hand.
 
 
+1 # Cassandra2012 2012-10-03 22:57
You forgot the
'lost' thousand of votes (in a Repub.'s computer!) in Waukesha County last election??
 
 
+111 # Barbara K 2012-09-29 11:05
Of course this crook would be involved. He's had to win at all costs all his life and he doesn't care who gets screwed in the process as long as he gets his way. I hope some go to jail for this. I figured it was just a way to askew the votes when I heard about the Tbaggers going out by busloads to check voter registrations for fraud. How would they know what names were fraud (there were none), or not? They just wanted to get their grubby mitts in there and delete voters. The judges all should declare all suppressions unconstitutiona l and illegal and restore the rights of all the registered voters in every state doing this. If they cannot win legally, they don't deserve to win.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
The alternative is unbearable
 
 
+25 # Eliza D 2012-09-29 17:09
Agree with almost everything. Thanks for the link to the Alter Net article "How Romney and Bain helped Monsanto to become a biotech giant." Everyone should read that article. What a monster! Is there nothing he won't do for more money and power?
 
 
+17 # cherylpetro 2012-09-29 18:50
NO! He is the embodiment of GREED!
 
 
-16 # HJ7 2012-09-30 18:06
Quoting Barbara K:


OsMA/BIn laDEN 2012
The alternative is unbearable


Correction made. You are welcome.
 
 
+97 # Ma Tsu 2012-09-29 11:21
Will Rogers said, "More candidates have been elected between sundown and sunup than ever were elected between sunup and sundown."
Joe Stalin said, "I don't care who votes. I care who counts the votes."
Any questions?
 
 
+103 # tswhiskers 2012-09-29 11:25
I am starting to suspect that Republicans are seeing this election thru their own eyes. They claim that the voter ID laws are supposed to make elections safe from Democrat voters who would falsify the vote, when in truth the Republicans are far and away the worst cheaters in the voting booth. Greg Palast claimed that in 2004 the FL Sec'y of State ordered fraudulent voting machines from a company in Cincinnati to ensure a Bush reelection. Knowing something of past Republican voting shenanigans, I am not really surprised that Bain associates are attempting to repeat Rep. electoral history. Fortunately the Dems. are wise this election and have thousands of lawyers waiting in the wings to challenge vote counts and any other funny business the Reps. will try to get away with. The press have done a good job of covering current Rep. tactics, incl. voter suppression, to win the election by any means. But they overlook their attempts in 2000 and 2004 to do the same, e.g. removing voting machines from heavily black precincts and falsifying vote counts or fighting off recounts as in the FL election of 2000. Come on Rachel, Ed, Lawrence. People need to see the full extent of Republican voter dishonesty now and in the past.
 
 
+61 # bingers 2012-09-29 13:16
There is no such thing as an honest Republican politician or an informed Republican voter.
 
 
+66 # Nell H 2012-09-29 11:46
EVERY VOTING SYSTEM should be checked after EVERY ELECTION using a random selection of votes cast.

AUDIT the vote -- not only because the machines can be hacked, but because the code in the machines is written by people and cannot be expected to always work correctly.
 
 
+73 # David Starr 2012-09-29 11:52
Quoting: "Bain alumni, now raising big money as Romney bundlers are also in the electronic voting machine business. This appears to be a repeat of the the infamous former CEO of Diebold Wally O’Dell, who raised money for Bush while his company supplied voting machines and election management software in the 2004 election."

This has already gone too far; now this. So we have a redux of a private company supporting the GOP/Romney campaign and are a part of counting the votes? How more biased and devious can this get? And it's repeating itself.

Quoting: "The Free Press revealed that Scytl, a Spanish-based company now contracted to count 25% of the U.S. presidential vote, has ties to Booz Allen. Scytl's start up funding comes from three European Venture Capital Firms, Balderton Capital, Nauta Capital, and Spinnaker SCR."

WTF. On top of a GOP-supporting entity to potentially rig the vote, now we have an assorted connection of private, foreign companies taking part in the scam? So we're supposed to have a right for the public to vote, but it's looking almost like a privatized election? For the GOP, etc., these bastards want everything/ever yone to become a commodity. I hope the blowback is thorough and irreversible.
 
 
+74 # angelfish 2012-09-29 11:57
HERE is where the "shrub's" advice WILL hold true. Fool me once? Shame on you. Fool me TWICE? Shame on ME! We MUST not let them Steal another Presidency. If our Vote is unreliable, we have NOTHING!
 
 
+9 # ptalady 2012-09-29 23:27
Oh, can you send that along to W? He actually couldn't remember the punchline of that one.
 
 
+8 # 666 2012-09-30 18:05
i think it was "fool me once, uh, shame on me. fool me twice, [mental lapse] won't get fooled again!" - gwb
 
 
+2 # brux 2012-10-02 09:18
That was not "shrub's" advice, he said, "Fool me once? Shame on you. Fool me TWICE? Shame we won't get fooled again."
 
 
+48 # reiverpacific 2012-09-29 12:05
INTERNATIONAL OBSERVERS AND MONITORS PLEASE!!! -Hell I'd volunteer as a foreign national "Legal Alien" -but the powers that be, including the current crop of Dem's apart from a few honest souls like Bernie Sanders- will never admit the necessity to themselves.
It's gonna take a lot of vigilance to head off the Rove-slime tactics.
I used to enjoy this country and it's diversity, creativity (whilst being well aware of the fate and plight of it's indigenous peoples) but hate what is happening to it as the Rethugs strive for a one-party state.
Honestly, I feel relatively untainted by this in Oregon -where voting by mail is available and where the Right is pretty well out of the box- but I'd gladly offer be a monitor somewhere else where things are shaky or downright threatened. It's the least I can do.
 
 
-48 # James Smith 2012-09-29 12:14
Oh good! One more set of dirty tricks we have to watch for.

Does it really matter? Nothing has changed in four years from Bush, so the country is really lost anyway.
 
 
+23 # cherylpetro 2012-09-29 18:54
Thank the Republicans for stagnation, but Pres. Obama has made inroads despite the party of NO! Also, you KNOW Rove had his nasty Devil's hooves in all this too! He should be first in line for the electric chair for treason!
 
 
+7 # AMLLLLL 2012-09-29 21:47
My opinion is that 5 years in the electric chair would be apropos for Rove.
 
 
+14 # reiverpacific 2012-09-30 10:13
Quoting James Smith:
Oh good! One more set of dirty tricks we have to watch for.

Does it really matter? Nothing has changed in four years from Bush, so the country is really lost anyway.

-So just give up and let the one-party system roll over you eh!?
Remember "Give me freedom or give me death"? Your freedoms are indeed being eroded away; if Twit is "selected" they'll be swept away as if a Tsunami took them. Then fall America.
Get up and get active laddie or capitulate, which is what THEY want.
 
 
+69 # Old Uncle Dave 2012-09-29 12:19
Until the US returns to paper ballots, hand marked and hand counted at the precincts, there's no way the declared election results can be trusted.
 
 
+49 # X Dane 2012-09-29 14:15
Old Uncle Dave.
I totally agree with you. We HAVE to have paper to ensure that we can check the legality of our votes. If voting machines can deliver a receipt to the voter and keep one to be counted, if needed....It can be used if not, we will have to use paper ballots.

We can not have a repeat of the swindle in 2004 particularly Ohio i 2004.

We should also have BOTH republican and democratic monitors checking the votes on the machines. There can NOT be any doubt about the legality of our votes.

If that is NOT possible, the paper ballots ALONE should be used. We really look like some banana republic in the eyes of the world and OF OURSELVES.
 
 
-16 # Atia 2012-09-29 12:22
I was so very impressed by the GOP's fast and BOLD actions of firing them......
 
 
+13 # genierae 2012-09-29 14:07
Were you being sarcastic, Atia?
 
 
+50 # worldviewer 2012-09-29 12:39
DON'T GET MAD--GET MOVING!
The problem with voter ID obviously needs to be changed but could take a long time. The question is, what do we do now--for this election?
There are enough of people out of work who could drive others to get their non-driver ID. There are lawyers out of work who could volunteer. I would gladly invite some of them to lunch! Let's Occupy the voting process.
 
 
+4 # brux 2012-09-29 13:15
Any change in voting should not be mandatory.

1) they should say get an ID and show your ID.
2) if you do not have an ID then your vote should still be counted, but the numbers of people should be counted, and then helped to get one by the next election.
3) if greater than 95% of the voters do not have ID then the next election should do the same thing until we have almost all people with ID.
4) finally when almost everyone, whatever 93-98% of people have ID then make it mandatory, when there is due process, otherwise this is wrong and onConstitutiona l.
 
 
+33 # bingers 2012-09-29 13:30
I'd be in favor of voter ID only if the state provides it without cost and delivers it to you. You should not be required to go get it.

If the state doesn't do that then they should lose the right to require it.
 
 
+1 # Cassandra2012 2012-10-03 23:02
yes, especially for the elderly, the handicapped, and those who cannot afford to have a license or get to state offices easily.
 
 
+57 # Scott479 2012-09-29 12:56
Another example of why Rachel Maddow and the rest must now refer to ALL polls as "Within the margin of voter suppression"... .
 
 
+24 # bingers 2012-09-29 13:28
Quoting Scott479:
Another example of why Rachel Maddow and the rest must now refer to ALL polls as "Within the margin of voter suppression"....


I love that statement, may I use it?
 
 
+5 # Scott479 2012-09-29 20:51
Quoting bingers:
Quoting Scott479:
Another example of why Rachel Maddow and the rest must now refer to ALL polls as "Within the margin of voter suppression"....


I love that statement, may I use it?

I've left it in a few spots around the net so it's free to wander now!
 
 
0 # gore1-2000 2012-10-01 20:20
What's her email @ msnbc?
 
 
+2 # gore1-2000 2012-10-01 20:28
Also check out article,"Compan y connected to GOP and Romney Delivers Diebold Machines to Maryland Polls."
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/01/company-connect/
 
 
+46 # Corvette-Bob 2012-09-29 13:09
I really believe that elections can be rigged just like Wall Street. The average person always loses and most people do not have a clue as to what is happening.
 
 
+44 # bingers 2012-09-29 13:27
There needs to be a law forbidding all private involvement in election counting, all machines should be unhackable, preferably by not allowing them online and requiring them to issue a receipt to every voter showing their votes before they hit the record button. Additionally before you can disenfranchise a voter you should prove at least a month before the election and in court that that single voter is not legal. It should never be the voter with the burden of proof.

In 1964 I was a Republican poll watcher and was the first in Illinois to call in the # of votes for Margaret Chase Smith. I was kind of proud of that. But that's neither here nor there. When the voting was finished we had to count the paper ballots about a dozen times, every time with different results. Now, I wasn't supposed to be a counter, but they finally turned to me to do the counting and I nailed it on the first try, simply by putting the Republican and Democratic presidential votes into separate piles.

No system is perfect, but paper allows you to recheck as many times as possible. In Ireland after using computers to tally the votes they banned them and went back to paper. Countries that only allow paper get the results just as quickly and far more accurately.
 
 
-39 # barbaratodish 2012-09-29 13:33
Election Day should be NATIONAL SLEEPING DAY, because that is what we do instead of vote WHEN we vote: We SLEEP VOTE because both parties want us TO BE ASLEEP! We might as well stay home and begin to REALLY HIBERNATE! (PERHAPS WE NEED A GENERAL AND A PARTICULAR SLEEP STRIKE, because we are, mostly, all PRACTICING TO LIVE! The only votes that should be allowed are write in
votes i.e., for RON PAUL, etc.!
 
 
+17 # Kathymoi 2012-09-29 14:14
This is not the least bit surprising. The question is, what can we do? How can we get our votes honestly counted???
 
 
+20 # panhead49 2012-09-29 16:10
Quoting Kathymoi:
This is not the least bit surprising. The question is, what can we do? How can we get our votes honestly counted???



After 2000 election this household went to permanent absentee balloting. Paper ballot only for that. We need to get away from polling places and get a system like Oregon.
 
 
+1 # Cassandra2012 2012-10-03 23:03
They can stash /'lose' absentee ballots easily too!
 
 
+39 # billeeboy 2012-09-29 14:33
We should return to old-fashioned paper ballots. Poll watchers from each party can assure that the counts are accurate. The only reason to use electronic voting is to get the results faster, mostly at the behest of the frantically hyped up news media, which begin reporting who is ahead as soon as 5 of 1500 polls have reported! There was something exciting about staying up all night while the vote is being counted before finally finding out the winner (as in the Kennedy-Nixon election of 1960). Using electronic devices to vote and count votes without at least having corresponding paper ballots is insanity, since it is now obvious that these devices can be tampered with and thus be used to rig elections. Rigged elections - yet another way in which America is not so gradually beginning to look like a third world country!
 
 
+19 # James Smith 2012-09-29 16:03
You're completely correct. I doubt the media were more than an excuse. The real reason being exactly as you state. Voting machines are easier to rig than paper ballots.

Voting fraud has been a staple of every election since the first election was disputed. Technology only makes it easier to do and harder to disprove.
 
 
+34 # Susan1989 2012-09-29 14:43
Paper ballots are the way to go. I am getting more and more dscouraged regarding having any hope for this country...it feels as though it is now owned by only the rich and powerful.
 
 
+7 # James Smith 2012-09-29 16:09
You are not wrong. The country is owned by the rich and powerful particularly large multi-national corporations.

I have predicted that, within 50 years, the USA will have broken up into several mutually-antago nistic countries. At least one will be a totalitarian theocracy. WHat is disturbing is they will all likely have nuclear weapons. For certain, the theocracy will have no reservations about using them to "accomplish god's work."
 
 
0 # gore1-2000 2012-10-01 20:18
James, check out the novel,"2030," by Albert Brooks.----

gore1-2000
 
 
0 # James Smith 2012-10-02 06:46
I have it. Thanks for suggesting it. Oddly enough, I just finished reading "The Gilded Age"by Mark Twain, a tale of corruption in politics.

2030 will be next.
 
 
+22 # SOF 2012-09-29 15:43
In Pima Co., (Tucson) Az, there is a case of fraud tampering with voting machines in '06 election. It has bounced thru courts for 6 years! This is how they fight dirty, If a case isn't dismissed they will stall and fight investigation, then stall in courts until everyone forgets and its too far in the past -so 'let's move on'
short video version of the case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhS0Mogy19o&feature=relmfu
 
 
+13 # SOF 2012-09-29 15:52
A case of voter fraud in Pima Co, Az in 2006 has bounced from court to court for 6 years! There is ample proof of fraud. So, like Florida in '00 -they will just declare and figure it will be too late after they stall investigations etc. Grrrrr Here's short version video of Pima Co. case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhS0Mogy19o&feature=relmfu
 
 
-31 # Rain17 2012-09-29 16:44
I agree that fraud is a concern, but I really find most of these articles about the voting machines to be conspiracy theories. Sometimes, as hard as it is for some of you and other progressives to accept, Republicans do win close elections. Despite the Democrats' best efforts the voters sometimes do pick Republicans.
 
 
+15 # SOF 2012-09-29 16:58
Yep, right as Rain. However, years of warnings, system vulnerability, and too many fraud stories should make us suspicious. Here's another story from '08: http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/12-mysterious-death-of-mike-connell—karl-roves-election-thief/
 
 
-24 # Rain17 2012-09-29 17:32
I agree that there are concerns. The first thing to do would be to demand that every touch-screen machine have a paper ballot and auditable trail. Asking for those measures is reasonable.

But when people go off and make claims they can't prove about "stolen elections due to the machines" it damages their credibility. It makes them look like conspiracy theorists.
 
 
+12 # Texan 4 Peace 2012-09-29 23:17
Understanding "theory" to mean "an interpretation of phenomena that best fits the available evidence," that sounds about right.
 
 
+9 # ptalady 2012-09-29 23:20
Don't tell us you don't even believe in gangs? Criminals can't always work alone, you know, and they often don't. Sometimes a concerted effort is needed to get the job done. Just as winning elections and rightful counting of the ballot do, large-scale criminal activity requires groups of people accomplish -- that's a conspiracy.
 
 
-5 # barbaratodish 2012-09-29 17:04
Write in vote for the person(s) more like HUMAN beings than viruses!https:/ /www.youtube.co m/watch?v=5Busc _9FbTU
 
 
+17 # cherylpetro 2012-09-29 18:22
"Patriotic" Republicans always looking for more ways to take away our basic rights!
 
 
+7 # cherylpetro 2012-09-29 18:23
EXIT POLLS!!
 
 
+14 # X Dane 2012-09-29 21:45
cherylpetro.

Unfortunately that will NOT be enough. In 04, the exit polls clearly said that Kerry had WON, But the Diebild machines and their maker, said the opposite.....an d they PREVAILED.

We are All wringing our hands and fuming over the republican attempt to steal THIS election. They will definitely do it if they can get away with it.

WHAT CAN WE DO TO PREVENT IT???

Several of you commenting here are lawyers, please can you tell us what we can do. I am thinking of the people living in Swing states. Here in California I don't think we are in danger.
 
 
+4 # KittatinyHawk 2012-09-29 18:32
RSN and all who come here
this is Federally, State, locally called conflict of interest It is a Law. Caught people before doing this crap and they had to back down, or off votes.

Now how many Readers do you have, How many Media of Free Press are you involved with?
Time has come today that if this is true article, for the Lawyers or said to be, that come here, this is a Conflict of Interest and Illegal I do not care who SCOTUS is if they are a Lawyer, Judge than if they allow this...they can be held for Crimes...Federa l to say the Least. I want to see you all do something because I AM ASKING MEDIA IN PA. What are You gonna do You talk but do you walk the walk
 
 
+5 # Doll 2012-09-29 19:45
Huh???????????? ????
 
 
+6 # kelly 2012-09-30 12:28
She's telling us to get up and away from our computers and pass this info on to others in the community. Send the article on to members in the community, bring it to the attention of the county clerk and demand to know about the machines in your district. If you find there is some conflict of interest, do something. If you think you, as one lttle person can't do very much, gather your friends together and make noise. If you have any friends who are lawyers, get them angry and involved, or if you know someone who knows someone, get some constitutional lawyers involved, there's always a nearby university with lawyers galore willing to take on such a compelling case. Most of all she is saying DO SOMETHING.
 
 
+17 # cherylpetro 2012-09-29 18:35
AND the sad thing is that if an irregularity is noticed with a machine, the really old people at the polls haven't a clue about fixing them! My votes all changed to Republican just before I was going to hit the send button! No one knew how to remedy it!
 
 
+22 # cherylpetro 2012-09-29 18:37
Republicans should officially STOP waving the flag and calling themselves PATRIOTIC, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT! THEY ARE CLOSER TO BEING TERRORISTS!
 
 
+16 # tanis 2012-09-29 20:18
I am sorry for republicans, the only way they can win is cheating or in this case STEALING an election. Not enough real people will vote for them. When people cheat at games in public, don't they get caught? Why does the US allow them to steal and let them run this country? We know they cannot win without breaking the law we honor, the right to vote and be counted.
 
 
+19 # angelfish 2012-09-29 20:59
WHY can't Voting machines give the Voter a PRINTED Receipt? Automatic Tellers in ATMs give a receipt, why not voting machines? Then, should a question arise, the receipts could be tallied by hand. Just sayin'...There' s GOT to be a reliable way to vote and have your vote count CORRECTLY! If not, we're doomed to be ruled by the Bean-counters and Mega-Millionair es who are calling the shots, manufacturing the Voting Machines and directing the Twit to do their bidding. In ANY event, never, EVER vote ReTHUGlican!
 
 
+13 # melmcgee 2012-09-29 22:42
If you don't know about BlackBox Voting, please go to their site

http://blackboxvoting.org/

They have been following election fraud since the first theft, when Gore won the election; followed by the second theft, Kerry vs. Bush. We are about to witness the third... Mitt Romney the third president select.

Also, watch for a Carter style coup like the Iran/Contra scam that manipulated the election for Reagan.

Voting machine fraud by the corporate powers that be has been going on for a long time, ever since we went to computers.

Demand a paper ballot when you go to vote and get a receipt and keep it.
 
 
+6 # LAellie33 2012-09-30 08:47
Bring out the FBI, and every other resource to monitor ALL the polls and exact truthful counting of EVERY ballot. If we let Rove/Romney and their henchmen rig this election, we are no better than the Islamic tribal countries in the Middle East that republicans despise, and deserve the same downfall. The world is laughing at us, saying, "America has the nerve to encourage Democracy in other countries when they have the biggest voter suppression fraud EVER! So, let's find these crooks, catch them red-handed, and punish them to the fullest extent of the law for Treason. When the American people get mad and ban together they'll wreak havoc, forcing the world to take notice as we round up all perpetrators -- especially the friggin corporate billionaires -- pulling them out of their mansions. Otherwise, we are doomed to live in a Nuclear Nazi Germany. We must believe that God will save us from this evil in every way He can. Perhaps a curse on all tea party republicans, forcing their mass exodus to Canada. Romney will lose!
 
 
0 # LAellie33 2012-09-30 08:54
Was there a problem with my post?
 
 
+2 # Zozo 2012-09-30 10:08
Now, in this dark age, we have a criminal/greed party that is intent on the destruction of all of the good that the Age of Enlightenment had brought to us. Without principles we have little to motivate, but the deadly sins for some. It seems their hubris rules.
 
 
+2 # Blast Dorrough 2012-09-30 12:23
In Federalist Paper 84,although a conspiring monarchist himself, Alexander Hamilton apparently recognized the political necessity of excluding the imagined nobility/billio naires from positions of power: "Nothing need be said to illustrate the importance of the prohibition of titles of nobility. This may truly be denominated the corner stone of republican government; for so long as they are excluded, there can never be serious danger that the government will be any other than that of the people."
 
 
+4 # rebelgroove 2012-09-30 13:52
This is it, America. It's now or never.

What more evidence do you need to see that the Republicans cheat; they cannot help themselves, as they think that society runs on the same rules as their business - every man for himself and buyer beware.

The ONLY fair way to vote is on paper, tangible tallies of who wants what.

You MUST stop this or watch your democracy fade into obscurity ...
 
 
+4 # Jcdchawk 2012-09-30 16:07
The fact that the RNC has fired the compaky they hired to do voter registration would be more impressive if the registration period was not pretty well over.
 
 
+4 # nealjking 2012-10-01 10:47
Electronic voting systems must be required to create a paper trail:
- Printed ballot
- Signed by voter

Without that, any numbers can be changed without possibility of detection.
 
 
0 # gore1-2000 2012-10-01 20:15
To James Smith: Read 2030 by Albert Brooks! Prescient. Funny. Scary!
 
 
0 # soonerkay@gmail.com 2012-10-01 22:00
I am a member of an Election Board and am amazed atthe number of people who believe the conspiracy theory on e-voting machines. Having used both the e machine and the so called paper ballot, I can assure you there is no more chance of changing the votes on a machine as there are voters. Do you have any idea how many people it would take to do that? You are accusing the election staff, the board of elections the state boards of elections and any number of people who have legitimate access to the machines. I work on the Logic and Accuracy that assures that all of out machines are set at 0 (zero) ballots. It takes a good 20 minutes to do that per machine. Then the machines are all sealed with tape that if it has been tampered with will say void. No one touches those machines until election day. At each of our precincts there are at least 10 people who will be checking the tapes, writing the numbers on an accuracy paper and then the machines are opened by 2 chief judges one from each party. Again, you are saying that all those people are in on a conspiracy to ruin an election. I don't know about your e-machines, but I will fight to keep from going back to paper ballots where one mistake can not be corrected and if you have to draw an arrow to connect the two and you have a slight tremor, you can not do it and have the machine count that ballot. Besides, you never had a paper trail with the other machines. Don't believe all you read. KA
 
 
+2 # popeye47 2012-10-02 08:01
I live in suburbs of Atlanta,Ga. During the 2004 elections there were so changes that had to be made to the e-voting machine the day before the election. No one for the board of elections was there to oversee the operation except representative from the e-voting company.
There have been instances of that over the whole USA. Don't tell me no one can make changes to these machines without someone else knowing it.
 
 
+2 # James Smith 2012-10-02 06:51
Then explain to us how any of that will prevent tampering before they are sealed. As a technical writer in the computer and aerospace industry for over 30 years, I know that anything electronic can be hacked in the early stages of programming and it can be undetectable after the fact.

All of your "precautions" are aimed at preventing tampering after the votes are entered. The machines could be programmed to convert say, 10% of the voted for one candidate to another candidate. That would be enough to win and not attract undue attention.
 
 
+2 # imaglo52 2012-10-03 07:13
I vote on a paper ballot every time at my kitchen table then I take the ballot and put in the box at the BOE. I was part of the Ohio recount it was a sham! Bush stole two elections we must not allow this again!
 

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