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Neumeister writes: "A judge on Wednesday struck down a portion of a law giving the government wide powers to regulate the detention, interrogation and prosecution of suspected terrorists, saying it left journalists, scholars and political activists facing the prospect of indefinite detention for exercising First Amendment rights."

U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest in Manhattan struck down a portion of the National Defense Authorization Act. (photo: Muslim Public Affairs Council)
U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest in Manhattan struck down a portion of the National Defense Authorization Act. (photo: Muslim Public Affairs Council)



Judge Rules NDAA Unconstitutional

By Larry Neumeister, Associated Press

17 May 12

 

judge on Wednesday struck down a portion of a law giving the government wide powers to regulate the detention, interrogation and prosecution of suspected terrorists, saying it left journalists, scholars and political activists facing the prospect of indefinite detention for exercising First Amendment rights.

U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest in Manhattan said in a written ruling that a single page of the law has a "chilling impact on First Amendment rights." She cited testimony by journalists that they feared their association with certain individuals overseas could result in their arrest because a provision of the law subjects to indefinite detention anyone who "substantially" or "directly" provides "support" to forces such as al-Qaida or the Taliban. She said the wording was too vague and encouraged Congress to change it.

"An individual could run the risk of substantially supporting or directly supporting an associated force without even being aware that he or she was doing so," the judge said.

She said the law also gave the government authority to move against individuals who engage in political speech with views that "may be extreme and unpopular as measured against views of an average individual.

"That, however, is precisely what the First Amendment protects," Forrest wrote.

She called the fears of journalists in particular real and reasonable, citing testimony at a March hearing by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Christopher Hedges, who has interviewed al-Qaida members, conversed with members of the Taliban during speaking engagements overseas and reported on 17 groups named on a list prepared by the State Department of known terrorist organizations. He testified that the law has led him to consider altering speeches where members of al-Qaida or the Taliban might be present.

Hedges called Forrest's ruling "a tremendous step forward for the restoration of due process and the rule of law."

He said: "Ever since the law has come out, and because the law is so amorphous, the problem is you're not sure what you can say, what you can do and what context you can have."

Hedges was among seven individuals and one organization that challenged the law with a January lawsuit. The National Defense Authorization Act was signed into law in December, allowing for the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens suspected of terrorism. Wednesday's ruling does not affect another part of the law that enables the United States to indefinitely detain members of terrorist organizations, and the judge said the government has other legal authority it can use to detain those who support terrorists.

A message left Wednesday with a spokeswoman for government lawyers was not immediately returned.

Bruce Afran, a lawyer for the plaintiffs, called the ruling a "great victory for free speech."

"She's held that the government cannot subject people to indefinite imprisonment for engaging in speech, journalism or advocacy, regardless of how unpopular those ideas might be to some people," he said.

Attorney Carl Mayer, speaking for plaintiffs at oral arguments earlier this year, had noted that even President Barack Obama expressed reservations about certain aspects of the bill when he signed it into law.

After the ruling, Mayer called on the Obama administration to drop its decision to enforce the law. He also called on Congress to change it "to make it the law of the land that U.S. citizens are entitled to trial by jury. They are not subject to military detention, policing and tribunals, all the things we fought a revolution to make sure would never happen in this land."

The government had argued that the law did not change the practices of the United States since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and that the plaintiffs did not have legal standing to sue.

In March, the judge seemed sympathetic to the government's arguments until she asked a government attorney if he could assure the plaintiffs that they would not face detention under the law for their work.

She wrote Wednesday that the failure of the government to make such a representation required her to assume that government takes the position that the law covers "a wide swath of expressive and associational conduct."

 

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+90 # Barbara K 2012-05-17 09:07
Great news. Sighs of relief from many Americans. I wondered how it could be, after all it is in our constitution that one cannot be held without charges, etc.
 
 
+53 # NanFan 2012-05-17 10:17
Quoting Barbara K:
Great news. Sighs of relief from many Americans.


Well, it is totally great news, Barbara K, but whether Congress and the Obama administration take her ruling and run with it is "iffy," especially Congress.

But to me, it opens the door for Obama to FINALLY stand up and say, "No!" instead of signing this egregious bill and simply stating he doesn't agree with parts of it, as this has to be revisited yearly, because it's really about money for defense.

So if Obama gets re-elected, he has to either recognize the unconstitutiona lity of this part of the bill, throw it back at whatever hashed together US Congress we wind up with, telling them not to send to his desk anything that restricts first amendment rights to US citizens or he will veto it...if he has the cajones to do it. I think he does! I think this will go a long way of getting him to do the right thing...if he is re-elected.

If Romney is elected...game over. The bill will stay intact unless the Supremes rule it unconstitutiona l. Ha! I'd not hold my breath for that justice.

But, yes, brava to Judge Forrest and to Chris Hedges and the others who filed suit. It's perhaps the most important thing to attend to in terms of protecting the rights of US citizens to peacefully disagree, to write and talk about it, to lobby against the things they feel are unjust.

Let's see what happens. Fingers crossed.

N.
 
 
-60 # Robt Eagle 2012-05-17 10:42
Nan, what does it matter if it is Obama or Romney? The thought of indefinite detention for free speech is abhorent. I would be more afraid of what Obama would do with that ability as he tries to stifle anyone who questions his supreme position in the world. And he has DoJ Eric Holder to be his henchman, and/or refuse to prosecute those who violate Federal laws if they would help Obama's bid for re-election, like no voter id. With no voter id, all the illegals that aren't being deported or stopped from coming into the US, Obama gives them the ability to vote for more freebies that he is promising, like ObamaCare. Wake up, Obama is worse than Romney would ever be when it comes to justice, or should I say "Injustice", a great book by J. Chritian Adams...you should read it!
 
 
+31 # Bodiotoo 2012-05-17 11:39
Robt, "there you go again..." Can you not help your self. You are always taking swips at the sitting POTUS. How about recognizing that it is a Republican lead House that forced this down the POTUS throat...he acknowledged problems with this bill, but signed it to insure our tropps got paid...
Would you rather not the troops now?
Personally I would ask every voter to not vote for any congressperson or semnator who supported the NDAA in its current form. Attacking the Bill of Rights is "NOT DEFENDING THE COBSTITUTION" and there fore they should not be re-elected.
 
 
+13 # John Gill 2012-05-17 12:08
It is seldom that I find myself in agreement with Robt, but I have to agree with the statement implicit in his question, "Nan, what does it matter if it is Obama or Romney?" Nobody FORCED Obama to sign this criminal bill. There is a movement in our government in the direction of concentrating power in the executive branch. Obama was a professor of constitutional law. By signing that bill, he violated principles. Paying the troops is that old saw of an excuse they all fall back on. It doesn't wash.
 
 
-2 # RLF 2012-05-18 03:11
Nobady forced Obama to sign anything...and it doesn't even look like he got anything out of the bargain...so we can only assume HE WANTED this bill.
 
 
-2 # Robt Eagle 2012-05-18 08:54
Bodiotoo, I have two children serving in the Navy right now, my son in Afghanistan with his SEAL Team, and my daughter on a cruiser out of Pearl Harbor. Both earn every penny they get paid, as the Navy is understaffed and losing assets monthly. Yet Obama spends on entitlements to garner votes. As to this NDAA, it is horrible to think that Obama and his henchman Holder in the DoJ could indefinitely jail anyone for being against the Obama rule. Watch out for Emperor Obama if he gets re-elected. Give serious thought to what he has done to destroy the US in his almost four years. He is trying to bankrupt America and still blaming it on everything else. Get your head into the sun shine and see this for what it is.
 
 
-10 # Max Demian 2012-05-17 12:22
Are you kidding me, Nan?! Obama sought Congress to alter the wording when it was a Bill, before it became completely unconstitutiona l, so-called "law", IN FAVOR OF THE LAW APPLYING TO U.S. CITIZENS, WHICH THEY GAVE HIM, JUST AS HE WANTED; such that, as the "law" in question now stands, it DOES apply to American citizens, again, JUST AS OBAMA WANTED.

So, you're thinking that Obama allegedly "does... (have) the cajones to" veto any new Bill further authorizing such indefinite, military detention of U.S. citizens, is extremely naive and ridiculous to say the least! On the contrary, Obama is VERY likely to veto any new proposed law that DOESN'T further codify into "law" indefinite, military detention of U.S. citizens, and/or one that repeals, through the 2013 NDAA, etc., the section in the 2012 NDAA that applies such indefinite, military detention to American Citizens.

Obama has not only proven himself to be a total fraud and totally anti-U.S.-Const itution-and-Bil l-of-Rights, but also to be a totalitarian, corporate fascist and/or socialist. He has been eviscerating the U.S. Bill of Rights and Constitution non-stop; and he's not about to stop doing so if he gains a second term. Thus, to vote for him is to vote against the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and against human rights and civil liberties; and to vote FOR the destruction of all of same! Please don't, ANYONE, be complicit in and responsible for perpetrating such treason!

(Cont'd)
 
 
-24 # Max Demian 2012-05-17 12:40
IMPEACH THE COMPLETE TRAITOR TO THE UNITED STATES KNOWN AS BARACK "INSANE" OBAMA(KON)!!!!!
 
 
+11 # John Gill 2012-05-17 12:49
Corporate Fascist stooge? Absolutely! Socialist??? Not so much. If only he was. Bernie Sanders is a Socialist. Huge difference. The two really are at opposite ends of the spectrum. This is an error that has long made the tea party faithful, (themselves unwitting stooges of the corporate oligarchy) seem ridiculous, but I feel ya.
 
 
-12 # Max Demian 2012-05-17 13:48
You are talking about "apples and oranges", John. Sanders, as far as I know is what I call a "utopian socialist". ObamaKON is a totalitarian socialist. Big difference.
 
 
+4 # Stephanie Remington 2012-05-18 14:13
The only thing Obama has truly socialized are the financial losses of his corporate donors.
 
 
0 # Hey There 2012-05-31 19:37
I'd click your post 99 more times if they'd allow it.
While banks and wall st. were bailed out as too big to fail people who lost their jobs,went bankrupt due to medical bills, lost their homes because housing prices went sky high while their wages did not weren't bail out because there were TOO MANY TO FAIL.
 
 
-4 # Max Demian 2012-05-19 08:16
Why are you "guys" 'thumbs-downing ' my comment(s) into red-zone oblivion as you are? That's what globalism and fascism are, totalitarian socialism. Do you recall what communist Russia AND FASCIST GERMANY were called? Socialist republics; the totalitarian form of socialism.

And, on the subject of impeaching Obama, several top-ranking Democrats, liberals and/or alternative / independent / progressive leaders, such as Dave Lindorff, have been calling for Obama's impeachment for some time:

(The) Case for Obama’s Impeachment

impeachforpeace dot org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=6039

Besides, impeachment is NOT a constitutional "option"; it is a constitutional OBLIGATION when tyranny and treason are being perpetrated by any U.S. leader(s) and/or government "representative s", especially when tyranny and treason are being perpetrated to the extent that Obama is now "perpetra(itor) ing" them.
 
 
-1 # ericlipps 2012-05-23 13:12
Quoting Max Demian:
[Impeachment] is NOT a constitutional "option"; it is a constitutional OBLIGATION when tyranny and treason are being perpetrated by any U.S. leader(s) and/or government "representatives", especially when tyranny and treason are being perpetrated to the extent that Obama is now "perpetra(itor)ing" them.


Such as?

Look, I don't much like Obama either, but this poisonous prattle about "tyranny and trason" needs to stop, at least until people can show actual acts by this president which meet the definition of either. Right-wingers,i t isn't tyranny or treason for a Democrat to win the White House. Lefties, it's not tyranny or treason for Obama not to have yanked all our troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq the day after his inauguration. Enough already.
 
 
-1 # ericlipps 2012-05-23 13:04
Quoting Max Demian:
You are talking about "apples and oranges", John. Sanders, as far as I know is what I call a "utopian socialist". ObamaKON is a totalitarian socialist. Big difference.

Where's your evidence? That Obamam bailed out the big banks? Bush started that ball rolling. That he pushed through s medical-care reform bill establishing a system far less overarching than what most civilized countries, including that totalitarian dungeon known as Canada, take for granted?
 
 
+19 # Stephanie Remington 2012-05-17 13:32
Quoting Robt Eagle:
what does it matter if it is Obama or Romney? The thought of indefinite detention for free speech is abhorent.


Exactly. But it doesn't matter which President we might fear more having this power. No president should have it.
 
 
+4 # NanFan 2012-05-18 10:29
This is EXACTLY my point: no president should have this power! BUT if a Republiscum ever gets the presidency, the NDAA, which needs to be revisited each year because of funding for the military, will hold an iron grip on any language that gives the president the power to simply choose who will be arrested for terrorism, no matter what.

Judge Forrest has essentially now made an injunction against that portion of the NDAA. Therefore, it cannot be enacted until Congress comes up with language that is CLEARLY not an infringement of the our First Amendment rights.

I, too, believe that this single move by President Obama to sign the NDAA last New Years Eve was wrong because that section was there. It brought him to the edge of the cliff for me, but it showed weakness, not an act of a "corporate fascist stooge" ruling to bring down America. I do NOT think he is bent on killing our country, not in the least, but this weakness could do damage if left unchecked in many areas. I DO think that Mitt Romney is FAR weaker because he is amoral. He WOULD BLINDLY continue the trajectory set so firmly by W. Bush to rule purely and solely and always and without impunity and with hatred and falsity and hubris against all common people

So, yes, to me, at this point in time, it does matter whether it's Obama or Romney if that section of the NDAA is not removed or clarified to protect those who peacefully write and act against unjust laws.

N.
 
 
+1 # Stephanie Remington 2012-05-18 14:06
Quoting NanFan:
Mitt Romney is FAR weaker because he is amoral. He WOULD BLINDLY continue the trajectory set so firmly by W. Bush to rule purely and solely and always and without impunity and with hatred and falsity and hubris against all common people


Nan-
Did you read this article. Obama's lawyers refused to state that this law wouldn't be used against people for merely exercising their first amendment rights. And, as I pointed out, Obama objected to the original bill because it lacked this authority.

Whether or not you are right that Romney would "blindly" wield this power, how is it possibly better to have a president who will exercise it with calculated deliberation?
 
 
+6 # engelbach 2012-05-18 06:06
No question, Obama has been terrible on civil liberties. With him in office, who needs a Republican?

But your statement about illegals is just rightwing propaganda. "Illegals" cannot vote, and there is no evidence that they ever have.

And in fact, Obama has deported twice as many people as GW Bush did over a similar time period.
 
 
+9 # John Gill 2012-05-17 11:21
Nan, I don't get it. Why do you think he will do the right thing if re-elected when he didn't do the right thing the first time around? As far as having cojones is concerned,I never thought Obama lacked them. It takes some big ones to pull off the fancy con job he did on his base, I think it is time the American people grew a few pairs themselves and turned their backs on this downhill cycle of pretend democracy that is, in part at least, hiding behind the illusion of choice offered us by this so called "two party" system. A vote for Barack IS a vote for Mitt. They both hired out to the same 1%
 
 
+15 # John Gill 2012-05-17 11:26
P.S. and yes, absolutely BRAVA to Forrest, and Huzzah to Hedges et al. We can use a few heroes in these dark times. Incidentally, Hedges himself recognizes, and has written concerning his belief that a vote for Barack, or Mitt, is a vote for the 1%. People need to wake up to this fact! We have allowed the illusion of choice between the two heads of this snake to lull us into sleeping for far too long now.
 
 
+6 # Stephanie Remington 2012-05-17 13:42
Nan-
The original bill introduced by Levin specifically excluded Americans from the provisions, but Obama objected to the omission and so this section was added at Obama's request.

Obama's subsequent veto threat was because he felt the bill constrained his authority to impose detention, not because he opposed indefinite detention.
 
 
+2 # RLF 2012-05-18 03:10
Obama? Cajones? Surely you jest!
 
 
+34 # geohunt1 2012-05-17 10:31
Barbara K, it is obvious our current US government doesn't give a hoot about the US Constitution. It got this bad under George W Bush, and hasn't gotten any better under Barack Obama.
 
 
+9 # John Locke 2012-05-17 11:19
geohunt1: Right, it got worse under Obama...I would have had some respect if he had vetoed the bill instead of telling Congress he wanted the power to be a dictator...Now I have no respect for him!

Lets not forget Obama WANTED this authority!
 
 
+4 # Bodiotoo 2012-05-17 11:40
Note Exactly.
 
 
+8 # RLF 2012-05-18 03:09
What is truly amazing is that this unconstitutiona l piece of crap was signed by a constitutional scholar. What a traitor!
 
 
+48 # dkonstruction 2012-05-17 09:10
I wonder if this judge is now going to "disappear" and be "extroadinarily renditioned" to Abu Ghraib or someplace in Romania. A brave judge who takes her robes seriously...als o, cudo's to Hedges et. al. for bringing the suit in the first place...of course, this would only strike down the part concerning journalists if i am understanding the story/ruling correctly which still means that any one of us can still be picked up and detained forever on "suspicion" of whatever so not quite time to celebrate yet....there's still alot of work to do on this one to get the whole damn thing struck down.
 
 
+7 # Peace Anonymous 2012-05-17 11:21
Quoting dkonstruction:
I wonder if this judge is now going to "disappear" and be "extroadinarily renditioned" to Abu Ghraib or someplace in Romania. A brave judge who takes her robes seriously...also, cudo's to Hedges et. al. for bringing the suit in the first place...of course, this would only strike down the part concerning journalists if i am understanding the story/ruling correctly which still means that any one of us can still be picked up and detained forever on "suspicion" of whatever so not quite time to celebrate yet....there's still alot of work to do on this one to get the whole damn thing struck down.

Hate to break it to ya but Romania is beautiful. I am there right now and I haven't heard anyone voice any concern about losing all of the freedoms they have garnered over the course of the last few years. Oh....the food is excellent as well. But don't take my world for it. Pack a bag and find out for yourself. LOL!
 
 
+9 # John Gill 2012-05-17 11:51
Romania is VERY beautiful, I'm sure. The food wonderful, and I don't think anyone blames the people of Romania for their government's succumbing to pressure brought to bear on them by the U.S.A.. But it is well known that the CIA operated, and probably still does operate, a black site in or near Bucharest.
 
 
+2 # RLF 2012-05-18 03:18
Those ex-secret police needed jobs too! It's a jobs program...in Romania!
 
 
-5 # Max Demian 2012-05-17 12:37
"Peace Anonymous", 'DKonstruction' was/is referring to the fact that Romania is one of the places where "al-CIA-duh(!)" and the U.S. government have a "black site", torture prison (if not more than one). Wake up and completely face the U.S. and Romanian, etc., fascism!
 
 
+1 # Peace Anonymous 2012-05-17 19:11
Quoting Max Demian:
"Peace Anonymous", 'DKonstruction' was/is referring to the fact that Romania is one of the places where "al-CIA-duh(!)" and the U.S. government have a "black site", torture prison (if not more than one). Wake up and completely face the U.S. and Romanian, etc., fascism!

America is a very beautiful country as well.With wonderful people who have sat back over the course of the last 75 years as their government and corporations have raped the world. And today you blame the government about their black sites but nobody lifted a finger while the world suffered as a result of US empire building. Now those same people are doing their thing at home. The sad truth is that few, such as Chomsky, voiced any concern over America's plundering the Third World and few complained as the money rolled in. It is sad but everyone sad idly by and did nothing but wave the flag and go on about the greatness of America. And now you want to blame Obama???? Insane. One man didn't bring you here 400 million did!!!
 
 
0 # dkonstruction 2012-05-18 06:03
thanks Max...and for the record, i was casting no aspersions on romanian food, culture or natural beauty (i grew up on dracula movies so how could i) but as you commented was referring to the use of Romania for CIS "black sites". my apologies to any offended romanians or the misunderstandin g
 
 
+2 # RLF 2012-05-18 03:16
It is too bad that this judge didn't seem to remember that all citizen have these rights...not just journalists.
 
 
+47 # lincolnimp 2012-05-17 09:53
It's a small victory, but I'll take anything right now. I only wish we had judges like Katherine Forrest on the Supreme Court. Maybe this ruling will start a small avalanche of rulings by other district, state and federal judges to protect our magnificent and currently trampled on Constitution. It might wake our fellow citizens up and it might even wake the SCOTUS up. Just a thought.
 
 
+32 # readerz 2012-05-17 09:56
I hope this applies to police departments too, and I hope a higher court doesn't reverse it.
 
 
+24 # bobaka 2012-05-17 10:05
The expression "rule of law" is one of those cliches we have been trained to dither in. As if the "rule of law" has been restored and the children being molested and the women being raped and the young men being duped into fighting wars of conquest for the rich-- are no more. The ruse for all these "laws" is the beastly con job of 9-11. Strange that our neo-nazi leaders chose 9-11 for their hoax which has led the dog of the people on a leash toward the soylent green factory. You can't unravel the lies by picking at an outer knot, though it will save some lives and that is very good. The right and the left speak in a glyph that is more hiroglyph than really expressing the facts on the street. We are trained to speak very carefully so as to leave out vast areas of reality that are filling our tongues and are instantaneosly repressed and censored into the acceptable. The rest of the act is disgusting and continues the cold war aginst the common people as do all laws of property and business.
 
 
+22 # grindermonkey 2012-05-17 10:17
Hooray for Chris Hedges! Buy his books, read them and chart your course accordingly. A fine intellect for our time.
 
 
+11 # jwb110 2012-05-17 10:28
If the Press Corp would boycott all press conferences in Washington, for all branches of the Gov't it would make the necessity of the Press and the First Amendment rights of the Go'vt to propagandize more apparent. As in all such cases it depends on whose ox is being gored.
 
 
+30 # vicnada 2012-05-17 10:32
Thank God for Katherine Forrest who can ask a direct question whether "a government attorney could assure the plaintiffs that they would not face detention under the law for their work" and then rule as she did based on the government's conspicuous silence. Executive power is getting out of control.
 
 
+26 # cordleycoit 2012-05-17 10:45
Imagine a sane judge, a victory in itself. As the wall of totalitarian government drowns the rule of law this is indeed a victory. A thank you to Chris Hedges and his fellow litigants for showing bravery under fire. It is a great moment when people say no to the tyrant. Keep fighting.
 
 
+21 # wrodwell 2012-05-17 10:55
Glad to hear there's still an iota of sanity left in the country. Imagine if judge Katherine Forrest's decision is challenged in front of the woeful Supreme Court, the worst Supreme Court ever assembled because it's under the unrelenting control of the "Five Fascist Flunkies". Hopefully, some other concerned judge will also find unconstitutiona l the two Patriot Acts. The recent rash of "security" legislation, ostensibly to counteract "terrorism", is nothing more than a way for the power elite to keep and augment control over the American populace. If Marie Antoinette is infamous for saying about the French poor that they should "eat cake", what would our power elite say? How about: "Let them go shopping at Wal Mart"? Something's gotta give.
 
 
+18 # Peace Anonymous 2012-05-17 10:57
This piece of legislation bought and paid for by the same people who pay billions to all of those elected and it is simply another buffer between the rich and poor. It has little to do with who is in the Whitehouse. It is good to have one judge who sees the implications but do you really think for a minute this is the end of it?? The question I have is what are you prepared to do about it?
 
 
-2 # John Locke 2012-05-17 11:20
This is not the end of it, Obama will appeal this decision to the Supreme Court! He wants this dictatorial power!
 
 
-1 # Robt Eagle 2012-05-20 06:59
So John, you are coming around to my point of view that if Obama is re-elected he will crown himself as Emperor Obama? Must not allow Obama to get re-elected to the White House for another four years or he will surely destroy America and oviate our constitution and eliminate the Supreme Court so he will have full control. Obama MUST not be re-elected!!!
 
 
0 # Bodiotoo 2012-05-20 11:48
"There you go again...",
Robt, really. If the Emperor thing is for real...Why would he have to be re-elected to do it? So, from your perspective will he declare this Empoarcy after winning or losing th eNovember election? Clarify that for us non-believers. Please.
 
 
+4 # Timaloha 2012-05-17 11:54
Anyone who doubts that this ruling was anticipated and expected by Obama is seriously underestimating him. He got what he wanted by giving the GOP something he knew all along that the courts would take away.
 
 
+7 # panhead49 2012-05-17 12:19
Quoting Timaloha:
Anyone who doubts that this ruling was anticipated and expected by Obama is seriously underestimating him. He got what he wanted by giving the GOP something he knew all along that the courts would take away.


I don't think I'd put any money on the SCOTUS not overturning this ruling. And John Locke - if BO really wanted it - why do the signing statement? Honestly, just asking.
 
 
+7 # John Gill 2012-05-17 12:27
Well, if he has been getting what he wanted every time he let the Republicans, the insurance companies, Wall Street, etc., have their way, then his first term has been a rousing success! The problem: where does that leave us?
 
 
0 # Max Demian 2012-05-17 12:43
Right-on, John [ pun intended :) ]... screwed and tattooed is where it leaves us!
 
 
+12 # seniorcitizen 2012-05-17 13:57
If that was the strategy that the President had in mind; he is playing a very dangerous mind game with the American people. With an election coming up, a lot of people believe that he caved and signed an unconstitutiona l piece of trash. If it is thrown out, good, but what is going to happen to his standing in the eyes of the people who expect the president to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States? What happened to Congress on this;why did they pass such a clear violation of law? It seems that they do not know that it is our Constitution and rights that will keep us strong. If the government starts taking away the building blocks of democracy,soon the whole structure will fall.
 
 
+5 # seniorcitizen 2012-05-17 13:22
Good for that judge, but what will happen now? Will a higher court have to rule also? Will the law be suspended until it is settled for sure? Since the president did not want the law and said he would veto it and didn't follow through, will he take this ruling as a way to throw it back out? By reversing his position and throwing out this unconstitutiona l and much hated law, I believe that President Obama has a much better chance to redeem himself with the American people who decided that he had turned into a dictator. I could not believe that Congress passed NDAA and thought surely that the president would veto it and condemn Congress as well.It is a very scary feeling, seeing our freedoms eroded and ignored because of fear from terrorists. When our own government starts to take away the rights of the people, then we the people no longer have a government by the people of the people and for the people. When we unite and fight for our constitution , our rights and our freedoms, we will keep them. If we are complacent, uninformed and too lazy to care, we will lose to the terrorist, both here in our government, disguised as lawmakers, as well as the ones who drop bombs.
 
 
+20 # walt 2012-05-17 14:54
The NDAA was signed by 93 senators, many of whom are lawyers.

And it was signed by President Obama, a former Harvard law professor, who even acknowledged that its legality was questionable.

Might we conclude that our leaders are not concerned about the rights of Americans???????

How can they even consider putting the military in a position of authority over our civilians? This is tyrannical! And fascist too!
 
 
+4 # Max Demian 2012-05-17 17:07
And most of the 93 Senators were "Democrats"; thus, so much for them saving "democracy" and freedom. They are just as much intentionally, methodically and systematically destroying the U.S., now in leaps and bounds.
 
 
+4 # Bruno24 2012-05-18 00:28
I asked that question a long time ago. It has the shape of an exercise: 5 years of prohibition of alcohol has given Al Capone, what can give 75 years of prohibition of marijuana?
Well, we know the answer now.
The bill NDAA is an implicit confession of state terrorism. Obama convinced me in one night that the war on terrorism is as much criminal fear selling business than the war on drugs.
 
 
0 # mkwrk2 2012-05-18 18:22
Is an article appeared on 18 May in The Age, Australia (17 May as in New York) a mere coincidence or telepathy?

Link to an Australian publication "Wife, mother ... security threat" by Michael Gordon, The Age, 05/18/12:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/wife-mother--security-threat-20120517-1yths.html
 
 
+2 # Sholom B 2012-05-19 11:06
The NDAA will almost certainly end up decided by the most conservative Supreme Court since WW2 & one of the more partisan, ever--not Congress or the Exec. Those will be the Constitution's cards--what a hand! (Read 'em & weep.)
 

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