Neumeister writes: "A judge on Wednesday struck down a portion of a law giving the government wide powers to regulate the detention, interrogation and prosecution of suspected terrorists, saying it left journalists, scholars and political activists facing the prospect of indefinite detention for exercising First Amendment rights."
U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest in Manhattan struck down a portion of the National Defense Authorization Act. (photo: Muslim Public Affairs Council)
Judge Rules NDAA Unconstitutional
17 May 12
judge on Wednesday struck down a portion of a law giving the government wide powers to regulate the detention, interrogation and prosecution of suspected terrorists, saying it left journalists, scholars and political activists facing the prospect of indefinite detention for exercising First Amendment rights.
U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest in Manhattan said in a written ruling that a single page of the law has a "chilling impact on First Amendment rights." She cited testimony by journalists that they feared their association with certain individuals overseas could result in their arrest because a provision of the law subjects to indefinite detention anyone who "substantially" or "directly" provides "support" to forces such as al-Qaida or the Taliban. She said the wording was too vague and encouraged Congress to change it.
"An individual could run the risk of substantially supporting or directly supporting an associated force without even being aware that he or she was doing so," the judge said.
She said the law also gave the government authority to move against individuals who engage in political speech with views that "may be extreme and unpopular as measured against views of an average individual.
"That, however, is precisely what the First Amendment protects," Forrest wrote.
She called the fears of journalists in particular real and reasonable, citing testimony at a March hearing by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Christopher Hedges, who has interviewed al-Qaida members, conversed with members of the Taliban during speaking engagements overseas and reported on 17 groups named on a list prepared by the State Department of known terrorist organizations. He testified that the law has led him to consider altering speeches where members of al-Qaida or the Taliban might be present.
Hedges called Forrest's ruling "a tremendous step forward for the restoration of due process and the rule of law."
He said: "Ever since the law has come out, and because the law is so amorphous, the problem is you're not sure what you can say, what you can do and what context you can have."
Hedges was among seven individuals and one organization that challenged the law with a January lawsuit. The National Defense Authorization Act was signed into law in December, allowing for the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens suspected of terrorism. Wednesday's ruling does not affect another part of the law that enables the United States to indefinitely detain members of terrorist organizations, and the judge said the government has other legal authority it can use to detain those who support terrorists.
A message left Wednesday with a spokeswoman for government lawyers was not immediately returned.
Bruce Afran, a lawyer for the plaintiffs, called the ruling a "great victory for free speech."
"She's held that the government cannot subject people to indefinite imprisonment for engaging in speech, journalism or advocacy, regardless of how unpopular those ideas might be to some people," he said.
Attorney Carl Mayer, speaking for plaintiffs at oral arguments earlier this year, had noted that even President Barack Obama expressed reservations about certain aspects of the bill when he signed it into law.
After the ruling, Mayer called on the Obama administration to drop its decision to enforce the law. He also called on Congress to change it "to make it the law of the land that U.S. citizens are entitled to trial by jury. They are not subject to military detention, policing and tribunals, all the things we fought a revolution to make sure would never happen in this land."
The government had argued that the law did not change the practices of the United States since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and that the plaintiffs did not have legal standing to sue.
In March, the judge seemed sympathetic to the government's arguments until she asked a government attorney if he could assure the plaintiffs that they would not face detention under the law for their work.
She wrote Wednesday that the failure of the government to make such a representation required her to assume that government takes the position that the law covers "a wide swath of expressive and associational conduct."
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Well, it is totally great news, Barbara K, but whether Congress and the Obama administration take her ruling and run with it is "iffy," especially Congress.
But to me, it opens the door for Obama to FINALLY stand up and say, "No!" instead of signing this egregious bill and simply stating he doesn't agree with parts of it, as this has to be revisited yearly, because it's really about money for defense.
So if Obama gets re-elected, he has to either recognize the unconstitutiona lity of this part of the bill, throw it back at whatever hashed together US Congress we wind up with, telling them not to send to his desk anything that restricts first amendment rights to US citizens or he will veto it...if he has the cajones to do it. I think he does! I think this will go a long way of getting him to do the right thing...if he is re-elected.
If Romney is elected...game over. The bill will stay intact unless the Supremes rule it unconstitutiona l. Ha! I'd not hold my breath for that justice.
But, yes, brava to Judge Forrest and to Chris Hedges and the others who filed suit. It's perhaps the most important thing to attend to in terms of protecting the rights of US citizens to peacefully disagree, to write and talk about it, to lobby against the things they feel are unjust.
Let's see what happens. Fingers crossed.
N.
Would you rather not the troops now?
Personally I would ask every voter to not vote for any congressperson or semnator who supported the NDAA in its current form. Attacking the Bill of Rights is "NOT DEFENDING THE COBSTITUTION" and there fore they should not be re-elected.
So, you're thinking that Obama allegedly "does... (have) the cajones to" veto any new Bill further authorizing such indefinite, military detention of U.S. citizens, is extremely naive and ridiculous to say the least! On the contrary, Obama is VERY likely to veto any new proposed law that DOESN'T further codify into "law" indefinite, military detention of U.S. citizens, and/or one that repeals, through the 2013 NDAA, etc., the section in the 2012 NDAA that applies such indefinite, military detention to American Citizens.
Obama has not only proven himself to be a total fraud and totally anti-U.S.-Const itution-and-Bil l-of-Rights, but also to be a totalitarian, corporate fascist and/or socialist. He has been eviscerating the U.S. Bill of Rights and Constitution non-stop; and he's not about to stop doing so if he gains a second term. Thus, to vote for him is to vote against the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and against human rights and civil liberties; and to vote FOR the destruction of all of same! Please don't, ANYONE, be complicit in and responsible for perpetrating such treason!
(Cont'd)
While banks and wall st. were bailed out as too big to fail people who lost their jobs,went bankrupt due to medical bills, lost their homes because housing prices went sky high while their wages did not weren't bail out because there were TOO MANY TO FAIL.
And, on the subject of impeaching Obama, several top-ranking Democrats, liberals and/or alternative / independent / progressive leaders, such as Dave Lindorff, have been calling for Obama's impeachment for some time:
(The) Case for Obama’s Impeachment
impeachforpeace dot org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=6039
Besides, impeachment is NOT a constitutional "option"; it is a constitutional OBLIGATION when tyranny and treason are being perpetrated by any U.S. leader(s) and/or government "representative s", especially when tyranny and treason are being perpetrated to the extent that Obama is now "perpetra(itor) ing" them.
Such as?
Look, I don't much like Obama either, but this poisonous prattle about "tyranny and trason" needs to stop, at least until people can show actual acts by this president which meet the definition of either. Right-wingers,i t isn't tyranny or treason for a Democrat to win the White House. Lefties, it's not tyranny or treason for Obama not to have yanked all our troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq the day after his inauguration. Enough already.
Where's your evidence? That Obamam bailed out the big banks? Bush started that ball rolling. That he pushed through s medical-care reform bill establishing a system far less overarching than what most civilized countries, including that totalitarian dungeon known as Canada, take for granted?
Exactly. But it doesn't matter which President we might fear more having this power. No president should have it.
Judge Forrest has essentially now made an injunction against that portion of the NDAA. Therefore, it cannot be enacted until Congress comes up with language that is CLEARLY not an infringement of the our First Amendment rights.
I, too, believe that this single move by President Obama to sign the NDAA last New Years Eve was wrong because that section was there. It brought him to the edge of the cliff for me, but it showed weakness, not an act of a "corporate fascist stooge" ruling to bring down America. I do NOT think he is bent on killing our country, not in the least, but this weakness could do damage if left unchecked in many areas. I DO think that Mitt Romney is FAR weaker because he is amoral. He WOULD BLINDLY continue the trajectory set so firmly by W. Bush to rule purely and solely and always and without impunity and with hatred and falsity and hubris against all common people
So, yes, to me, at this point in time, it does matter whether it's Obama or Romney if that section of the NDAA is not removed or clarified to protect those who peacefully write and act against unjust laws.
N.
Nan-
Did you read this article. Obama's lawyers refused to state that this law wouldn't be used against people for merely exercising their first amendment rights. And, as I pointed out, Obama objected to the original bill because it lacked this authority.
Whether or not you are right that Romney would "blindly" wield this power, how is it possibly better to have a president who will exercise it with calculated deliberation?
But your statement about illegals is just rightwing propaganda. "Illegals" cannot vote, and there is no evidence that they ever have.
And in fact, Obama has deported twice as many people as GW Bush did over a similar time period.
The original bill introduced by Levin specifically excluded Americans from the provisions, but Obama objected to the omission and so this section was added at Obama's request.
Obama's subsequent veto threat was because he felt the bill constrained his authority to impose detention, not because he opposed indefinite detention.
Lets not forget Obama WANTED this authority!
Hate to break it to ya but Romania is beautiful. I am there right now and I haven't heard anyone voice any concern about losing all of the freedoms they have garnered over the course of the last few years. Oh....the food is excellent as well. But don't take my world for it. Pack a bag and find out for yourself. LOL!
America is a very beautiful country as well.With wonderful people who have sat back over the course of the last 75 years as their government and corporations have raped the world. And today you blame the government about their black sites but nobody lifted a finger while the world suffered as a result of US empire building. Now those same people are doing their thing at home. The sad truth is that few, such as Chomsky, voiced any concern over America's plundering the Third World and few complained as the money rolled in. It is sad but everyone sad idly by and did nothing but wave the flag and go on about the greatness of America. And now you want to blame Obama???? Insane. One man didn't bring you here 400 million did!!!
Robt, really. If the Emperor thing is for real...Why would he have to be re-elected to do it? So, from your perspective will he declare this Empoarcy after winning or losing th eNovember election? Clarify that for us non-believers. Please.
I don't think I'd put any money on the SCOTUS not overturning this ruling. And John Locke - if BO really wanted it - why do the signing statement? Honestly, just asking.
And it was signed by President Obama, a former Harvard law professor, who even acknowledged that its legality was questionable.
Might we conclude that our leaders are not concerned about the rights of Americans???????
How can they even consider putting the military in a position of authority over our civilians? This is tyrannical! And fascist too!
Well, we know the answer now.
The bill NDAA is an implicit confession of state terrorism. Obama convinced me in one night that the war on terrorism is as much criminal fear selling business than the war on drugs.
Link to an Australian publication "Wife, mother ... security threat" by Michael Gordon, The Age, 05/18/12:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/wife-mother--security-threat-20120517-1yths.html
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