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Nesher reports: "A government official has for the first time acknowledged the practice of injecting women of Ethiopian origin with the long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera."

Health Ministry Director General Prof. Ron Gamzu instructed all gynecologists in Israel to stop injecting women with Depo-Provera. (photo: unknown)
Health Ministry Director General Prof. Ron Gamzu instructed all gynecologists in Israel to stop injecting women with Depo-Provera. (photo: unknown)



Israel Admits Ethiopian Women Were Given Birth Control Shots

By Talila Nesher, Haaretz

27 January 13

 

government official has for the first time acknowledged the practice of injecting women of Ethiopian origin with the long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera.

Health Ministry Director General Prof. Ron Gamzu has instructed the four health maintenance organizations to stop the practice as a matter of course.

The ministry and other state agencies had previously denied knowledge or responsibility for the practice, which was first reported five years ago.

Gamzu's letter instructs all gynecologists in the HMOs "not to renew prescriptions for Depo-Provera for women of Ethiopian origin if for any reason there is concern that they might not understand the ramifications of the treatment."

He also instructed physicians to avail themselves of translators if need be.

Gamzu's letter came in response to a letter from Sharona Eliahu-Chai of the Association of Civil Rights in Israel, representing several women's rights and Ethiopian immigrants' groups. The letter demanded the injections cease immediately and that an investigation be launched into the practice.

About six weeks ago, on an Educational Television program journalist Gal Gabbay revealed the results of interviews with 35 Ethiopian immigrants. The women's testimony could help explain the almost 50-percent decline over the past 10 years in the birth rate of Israel's Ethiopian community. According to the program, while the women were still in transit camps in Ethiopia they were sometimes intimidated or threatened into taking the injection. "They told us they are inoculations," said one of the women interviewed. "They told us people who frequently give birth suffer. We took it every three months. We said we didn't want to."

 

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+115 # Activista 2013-01-27 12:30
Apartheid Israel and eugenics = extreme racism - (search eugenics crimes on your own ...)
aka chosen people .... and search other "Israel state" measures against Palestinians/mi grant worker ... to keep the race "clean".
 
 
+39 # dankes 2013-01-28 05:40
There is a long history of Israeli racism toward non European Jewry:Yemeni children being stolen at birth and given to to Holacaust survivors unable to conceive. Iraqi Jews being forced to shower with bleach upon entry. Textbooks that ignore or disparage non-European jewish cultures. These are all examples of Israelis internalizing the consciousness of the oppressor. The tragedy of Israel is that the victims of European racism have now become its practioners. Of course when it comes to our Palestinian cousins the story only becomes more horrific.When will we ever learn?
 
 
+159 # dmoore 2013-01-27 12:36
The Israelis learned well from the Nazis - ethnic cleansing of Ethiopians and genocide of the Palestinians.
 
 
-45 # Martintfre 2013-01-27 13:49
Quoting dmoore:
The Israelis learned well from the Nazis - ethnic cleansing of Ethiopians and genocide of the Palestinians.


Ahh - In-case you can't conceive of any difference I shall clue you in. The Nazi's were post conception cleansing -- and they did not care how many decades after conception.
 
 
+47 # Pickwicky 2013-01-27 14:27
Martin--do re-read dmoore's post. Nazis used both eugenics and genocide. Who needs to be clued in?
 
 
+12 # Glen 2013-01-27 14:30
Somehow, I don't think folks are getting your post, Martinfre. They should give it some thought, though. Nazis were for killing out pretty much everybody at any age.
 
 
+22 # tingletlc 2013-01-27 18:57
Quoting Glen:
Nazis were for killing out pretty much everybody at any age.


On the contrary. They were notoriously selective.
 
 
+14 # shraeve 2013-01-27 21:54
Let's see. Jews, Romani, "defectives", gays, communists. Not all that selective.
 
 
+8 # tingletlc 2013-01-28 07:11
Those are some of the selections I had in mind. And you forgot the Jehovah's Witnesses. Pretty granular work for an operation with global aspirations and millennial pretensions.
 
 
+7 # Mannstein 2013-01-28 18:58
The US Jew Nathan Kaufman called for forced sterilization of all Germans with his book "Germany Must Perish" written during the war. His book was praised and well received by US mainstream media at the time of its publication. In other words he wanted the Allies to commit genocide and then they wonder why us.
 
 
+7 # David Starr 2013-01-28 14:38
@Martintfre: Are you implying that you support forced injections of those considered as "different," when Israel practices it?

Ethiopian women didn't really have a choice, did they?

To clue you in, choice is different from force, but include the usual shades of gray.
 
 
-3 # Mannstein 2013-01-28 18:52
Blame the Nazis once more so that the Zionists are portrayed the victims. These Eastern European Jews running Israel learned well the methods of their communist fathers. Lazar Kaganovich the Jew was responsible for the death of 7 million Ukranians before there was the alleged holocasut. The Communists were responsible for 100 million deaths according to the "Black Book of Communism" by Stephane Courtois et al. Courtois himself was a french Communist who knows of what he speaks.
 
 
+10 # dkonstruction 2013-01-29 06:59
One can and should condemn eugenics programs no matter who commits them whether it be the Nazis, the Israelis or the US. But that doesn't mean one has to or should stoop to this kind of out and out rabid anti-semitism attempts to rewrite history. I'm assuming that your reference to Kaganovich (is there a reason you felt it necessary to point out, correctly i grant you, that he was a Jew...are you saying that there was something about his "Jewishness" that led him to support the policies he did?) is a reference to the famine of 1932-1933? Are you seriously equating the failed agricultural collectivizatio n attempts by the Soviet Union with either the eugenics programs of the Nazis or the Final Solution for that matter? As for "The Black Book of Communism," serious historians take this work for what it is, propaganda and not a serious peer-reviewed historical work whose claims are suffiently supported by actual evidence. I am not now nor have I ever been a defender of Stalin but this is not a serious historical work.
 
 
+6 # dkonstruction 2013-01-29 06:47
Quoting dmoore:
The Israelis learned well from the Nazis - ethnic cleansing of Ethiopians and genocide of the Palestinians.


It may "feel good" to make the Israel/Nazi comparison but by the same token one could also say that the Nazis "learned well" from the US since they based/justified much of their eugenics work on eugenics work in the US including the infamous line by Oliver Wendell Holmes justifying sterilization by saying "three generations of imbeciles are enough."

that "http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/html/eugenics/static/themes/3.html

This is truly a horrific program and should be fully condemned but we in the US should hardly take a holier than thou position given that we too have engaged in such practices including the Tuskeegee syphilis experiments to the recently discovered syphilis experiments conducted by US doctors on Guatemalans in the 1940s.
 
 
+61 # Mrcead 2013-01-27 12:57
Did no one learn anything from the Nazi occupation of Europe? What is Israel's justification for doing this and why did they feel it necessary to pass judgement? On second thought, I don't even want to know.
 
 
+107 # DPM 2013-01-27 13:02
Does this mean Republicans will stop supporting Israel by cutting "subsidies" for birth control?
 
 
+64 # bonnettoboot 2013-01-27 13:05
Is there anything forgiving about this terrible country. They re totally racist and evil. CANT WE SEE THAT for goodness sake. We must pressure then financially to be fair to the Palestinians.
 
 
+20 # WestWinds 2013-01-27 15:16
Henry Kissinger, Alan Greenspan, Goldman Sachs, Paul Singer. You connect the dots.
 
 
-22 # MidwestTom 2013-01-27 20:06
Isn't the Jewish vote in this county about 75% Democratic? Expect no changes under this administration.
 
 
+27 # shraeve 2013-01-27 21:55
Not all Jews support Israel.
 
 
+31 # CTPatriot 2013-01-28 02:43
Quoting MidwestTom:
Isn't the Jewish vote in this county about 75% Democratic? Expect no changes under this administration.


Oh! Are you trying to blame the Jewish voters for this? You DO realize that the Republicans and their pet Neocons (or is it the Neocons and their pet Republicans) under Bush were even more "pro-Israel" than the Democrats?

As if voting for Republicans would make a difference ... hahaha!!!

Here's a clue: Our Israeli policy has everything to do with the lobbying power of AIPAC coupled with US goals of controlling the middle east's oil as stated in the PNAC documents. Israel gives us the strategic ally in the region, along with Saudi Arabia and a few others, to accomplish those goals.
 
 
+7 # dkonstruction 2013-01-29 08:34
Quoting MidwestTom:
Isn't the Jewish vote in this county about 75% Democratic? Expect no changes under this administration.


Jews make up 4% of the total US electorate. So, you are saying that 75% of these (or 3% of the total electorate) are democratic voters. That means that 97% of those voting for the Democrats were not Jews but for some reason you are suggesting that this 3% of the electorate (instead of the 97% that are not Jewish)are now solely or primarily responsible for the policies of the Democratic Party as a whole? What's wrong with this picture?
 
 
+7 # Artemis 2013-01-29 05:05
Someone should list all the names of pro-Israeli hawks who surround Obama today. There are literally hundreds of them who undoubtedly filter information and pressure him, perhaps even against his better judgement.
 
 
+5 # RLF 2013-01-28 08:21
Your right but they keep the middle east stirred up which keeps oil cheap.
 
 
+1 # Douglas Jack 2013-01-28 20:38
RLF, "stirred up" The false Arab Spring is really a policy of inciting regime hatred through Facebook & other social-media in Arab & other countries worldwide. The USA, Canada, NATO countries & Israel are strategically arming dissidents, creating false-flag events etc all for the cause of geo-political control & cheap oil. The Finance-Media-M ilitary-Industr ial-Complex is involved in genocide because of their deficient mechanical worldviews. FMMIC doesn't understand the mechanics of life. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/1-converting-social-media-from-mono-to-dialogue
 
 
+46 # bonnettoboot 2013-01-27 13:11
A Dispicable regime.
 
 
-99 # Martintfre 2013-01-27 13:21
Hey -- Are the Liberals here OK with the government paying for their abortions?
 
 
+39 # CTPatriot 2013-01-28 02:46
Yes, I'm ok with that, especially if it results in fewer tea baggers. Hey, did you know that the highest rate of abortions is in the red states - you know, the ones that want to make it illegal?

Funny how cons argue out of one side of their mouth that banning guns won't stop people from obtaining them, yet argue out of the other side of their mouth that banning abortion will somehow stop women from terminating pregnancies. As if that ever worked before.
 
 
+11 # David Starr 2013-01-28 14:41
@Martintfre: In the U.S., choice is allowed legally. Regarding Israel, it apparently wasn't for Ethiopian women.

Can you tell the difference?
 
 
+30 # Alexis Fecteau 2013-01-27 13:26
Every bit as evil as the Nazis, without question. Who knows what else these evil people are doing aside from this and their treatment of the Palestinians.
 
 
-4 # Mannstein 2013-01-28 19:01
All together now children Nazis baaad Commies goood.
 
 
+66 # RMDC 2013-01-27 13:53
Why am I not surprised. Zionism was declared a racist ideology more than 2 decades ago. Everyday there is only more proof that Israeli Zionists are racists and are engaged in active genocide against the non-Jewish and non-white population of Israel/Palestin e. The whole world knows. The UN Convention Against GEnocide calls for all nations to act when the crimes are known. What is the world waiting for? Could it be that the king of all racist nations -- the US -- is blocking the way?
 
 
-9 # JohnBoanerges 2013-01-27 13:55
Learn, you dolts, you slaves, you WILLING slaves. It is not any PARTICULAR government. It is government in general. Its devolution into tyranny depends solely on YOUR grant of authority to it. Give up your freedom for 'so-called' security and you are screwed . Don't do it. The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance. THAT means personal sacrifice. If you become part of the oppressors, it will mean sacrifice of your very lives, hopefully, as Mussolini experienced it, at the end of a lamp pole and a rope passed around your ankle. Control-freaks are the worst sort of monsters earth ever suffered through.
 
 
+19 # WestWinds 2013-01-27 15:23
I'm not sure if you are advancing a Libertarian/Ayn Rand philosophy, or cautioning us against such things as giving up our Civil Liberties (habeas corpus/posse comitatus,) for the illusion of security.
 
 
+6 # shraeve 2013-01-27 21:57
Probably both. They are not mutually exclusive.
 
 
+52 # nancyw 2013-01-27 13:56
Wow. This is not surprising, tho extremely upsetting to learn.

When will the Israelis deal with their collective holocaust trauma and begin to reclaim their rich and deep culture rather than take on the Nazi legacy of their captors?
 
 
+19 # madams12 2013-01-27 14:26
Are you inferring that 65 years AFTER the fact that Israelis today are suffering from PRE stress traumatic syndrome? PSTS as per Gilad A?....what "deep culture" are you talking about? building Walls to replicate ghettos which preceded nazis? 'modesty patrols ' which ensure that women are suitably covered and behaving? i.e. not sitting on buses near men, not praying with tallith in public...each of which can get you spat upon and arrested...what deep culture do you fantasize is not already 'claimed and reclaimed' ??
 
 
+5 # RLF 2013-01-28 08:28
As much as the European Jews were separate, we now see how they were exactly like the Germans before those same tried to wipe them off the map...and, without the guilt and shame heaped on the Germans, have continued the habits and culture of those same.
 
 
+2 # Mannstein 2013-01-28 19:07
Jews were Lenin's and Stalin's willing executioners long before the Nazis made the scene. They played a leading role in killing 7 million Ukranian christians. That dirty little secret is of course swept under the rug by western liberals because Ukranians are second class victims.
 
 
+3 # dkonstruction 2013-01-29 07:08
Quoting Mannstein:
Jews were Lenin's and Stalin's willing executioners long before the Nazis made the scene. They played a leading role in killing 7 million Ukranian christians. That dirty little secret is of course swept under the rug by western liberals because Ukranians are second class victims.


Of course it doesn't mean anything that you didn't write a sentence that read "Jews and Christians" or "Jews and members of the Eastern Orthodox Church"....Was Stalin a Jew? No. Was Lenin? Only 1/4 (his maternal granfather who was later Baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church. Was Beria? No. So, your misrepresentati on and selectiveness only betrays (as do many of your other posts) either a complete lack of historical understanding or a deep seated anti-semitism.
 
 
-40 # BlueReview 2013-01-27 13:58
Don't be so quick to condemn Israel. Many countries have practiced eugenics at one time or another--includ ing the United States.
 
 
+46 # beeyl 2013-01-27 14:39
Sorry, are you telling us we shouldn't condemn the practice of eugenics today, just because it was practiced 80 years ago?
 
 
+22 # dquandle 2013-01-27 15:16
Great, that makes it just fine!
 
 
+10 # shraeve 2013-01-27 22:03
It was a very popular philosophy with progressives at one time. Margaret Sanger basically wanted to exterminate African-America ns. Oliver Wendell Holmes said it was OK to sterilize the "feeble-minded" . Not so long ago some people toyed with the idea of making welfare contingent on getting sterilized. Our national scold, William Bennett, said we could reduce the crime problem if we would abort every black baby.
 
 
+5 # Mannstein 2013-01-28 19:09
Eugenics had its birth in the US. Nazis basically studied and applied US methods.
 
 
+5 # dkonstruction 2013-01-29 07:09
Quoting BlueReview:
Don't be so quick to condemn Israel. Many countries have practiced eugenics at one time or another--including the United States.


BlueReview, wouldn't a more appropriate response be to say that all who practice eugenics whether it be Israel, the Nazis, the US or whomever is to be fully condemned. I agree that we should not be selective i.e., condemn Israel without at the same time pointing out and condemning all others who have engaged in such heinous practices but all such practices need to be condemned nonetheless.
 
 
-14 # joedeane 2013-01-27 14:09
Indeed, it does seem like a Nazi lesson. We should bear in mind the shared idea of expansion of the nation as necessary for national survival, the idea of an existentional threat.
 
 
+18 # Pickwicky 2013-01-27 14:38
joedeane--lousy excuse.

And what's with the exploding use of the term 'existential?' Let's all remember that even Sartre couldn't define 'existential' without winding up in a thicket.
 
 
+3 # shraeve 2013-01-27 22:06
An existential threat to a nation is a threat that could destroy the nation, i.e. end its existence.
 
 
+5 # Pickwicky 2013-01-28 13:52
shraeve--I'm sure that's what everyone who uses the term hopes it means. I have a hunch that df. is a stipulative df. concocted by someone. It isn't the lexical df. of 'existential.' The term may be said to 'pertain to existence,' but not necessarily to negating existence. I could threaten to balloon the population of the world and call it an 'existential threat.' Nevertheless, I know beyond doubt, that the next edition of Webster's will give this new df. as acceptable--lan guage is in flux. Woe to we cranky, fusty, wordsmiths.
 
 
+2 # rradiof 2013-01-27 15:26
It is spelled "existential".
 
 
+5 # Mannstein 2013-01-28 19:17
Hitler considered Judeo Communism an existential threat to Germany, yet his top General Erich Manstein aka Lewinsky was a Jew as was the Luftwaffe General Milch. His family doctor when he was young living in Austria was a Jew whom he protected and let emigrate to the US after the Austrian Anschluss. Go figure that out!
 
 
-4 # handmjones 2013-01-27 14:11
"50-percent decline over the past 10 years in the birth rate of Israel's Ethiopian community"....d ecline from what to what?
 
 
+36 # madams12 2013-01-27 14:17
It has long been known that Depo Provera's side effects are serious to deadly, and especially for women of color. Studies done on Haitian, Puerto Rican & South African women in the 70s demonstrated that but pharmaceutical cos. fought over the decades and now we see the results.

Allow me to post a snippet from an article about this very issue published in 1999.

"Women of color treated as guinea pigs."

In a superb book, Killing the Black Body, Dorothy Roberts reviews the horrendous ways in which these drugs have been tested and used.

In the 1970s, even as the FDA barred the general marketing of Depo-Provera domestically, programs funded by the U.S. and United Nations continued to experiment with it and promote it in countries such as Thailand, India, Kenya, Colombia, and Mexico. Under South Africa's apartheid regime, Black women were offered free injections; some were threatened with being fired from their jobs if they refused them.

Testing also continued at home. In Atlanta, 7,000 African American women were part of clinical trials, and some were not advised as to just what they were taking.

Meanwhile, the Population Council received millions of dollars in U.S. aid to distribute Norplant, too, throughout developing countries. During the 1980s, a U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) project in Peru, where abortion is illegal, gave women who wanted birth control a "choice" between Norplant and sterilization."

JUST GOOGLE !!
 
 
+8 # CTPatriot 2013-01-28 02:51
Apparently my initial reaction, that Israel learned this behavior from the Nazi's, was wrong. They apparently learned it from the good old USA USA USA!! Well, at least it helped the profits of our pharmaceutical companies.
 
 
+1 # RLF 2013-01-28 08:33
They didn't use Depo Provera on European Jews, so what is your point?
 
 
+1 # Clementine 2013-01-28 13:57
OH BOLLOX

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cder/drugsatfda/index.cfm?fuseaction=Search.Label_ApprovalHistory
 
 
+85 # ganymede 2013-01-27 14:29
As an American Jew, the news from Israel gets more and more depressing. Fascism didn't die with Hitler. A lot of it was tranplanted to the US and, as we're now seeing, fascism is alive and well amongst the rightwingers running Israel. One has to have sympathy for the plight of Eruopean Jews right after the Second World War, but the forced establishment of the state of Israel pushed by Zionist extremists like the Irgun, the Stern gang and people in Netanyahu's family was too rushed and ill-planned because it did not look into the future. The treatment of Palestinians reflects very poorly on the ethics and morality of Judaism. Israel will only survive as a multi-ethnic and non-theocratic society, which I think is still possible. Israel has everything the Middle East needs - advanced education, technology, industry, and could easily become the center of a Middle East renaissance. Jews and Arabs can get along - they've done it before. Netanyahu and his ilk are like the late and misbegotten American rightwingers, heading for the dustbin of history. Let's hope they go before they cause more damage.
 
 
+17 # shraeve 2013-01-27 22:10
But righteousness is alive and well among US Jews. Many are opposed to Zionism, and many more are appalled at Israel's tactics.

The treatment of Palestinians does not reflect poorly on Judaism, it reflects poorly on Zionism, something entirely different.
 
 
+4 # Activista 2013-01-28 12:28
"ethics and morality of Judaism. Israel will only survive as a multi-ethnic and non-theocratic society, which I think is still possible. Israel has everything the Middle East needs - advanced education, technology, industry, and could easily become the center of a Middle East renaissance"
YES - as it sounds IDEALISTIC it is ONLY PRAGMATIC WAY to go forward. The ideas above were always part of Judaism - part of Israel vision. Israel is also victim of cold war - Soviets x USA - what great idea was/is The Kibbutz
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society.../kibbutz.htmlThe kibbutz (Hebrew word for “communal settlement”) is a unique rural community; a society dedicated to mutual aid and social justice; a socioeconomic system ...
 
 
+4 # Douglas Jack 2013-01-28 21:59
Activista, The almost non-existant kibbutz today is based in false 'co-op' economy. One-member / one-vote does not respect contributions which individuals make & therefore discourages multiple-stakeh older investment & participation. A person joining yesterday has the same rights as someone who has contributed for decades. Originally when the word 'cooperatives' was coined in 1500 AD, it meant 'co' = 'together' + 'operatives' = 'stakeholders'. Co-ops were originally a call to return to the multiple stakeholder universal progressive ownership of the Guilds or Production-Soci eties of Europe. However with heightened aristocraticall y led plundering of the Middle-east & then America, the super-advantage d uber-rich secured power which is still in effect today, both throughout the world & in Israel because it is the same people. The same money which financed Lenin to weaponize the Bolshevik is the same money which bought stolen Arab lands in Palestine for Jewish-only settlement & financed the Kibbutz as its land-grabbing tool. Religious land grabbing by Puritans, Shakers, Mennonites, Quakers is also the main foundation of New-England. Colonization everywhere is led by such false idealism & religious bigotry, which has never to date recognized 'indigenous' First Nations nor created sustainable societies. The Ethiopian Jew trusting to come to a supposed homeland are only the most recent victims of this scam. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy
 
 
+4 # fresnoman4man 2013-01-29 10:31
[quote name="ganymede" ] "As an American Jew, The treatment of Palestinians reflects very poorly on the ethics and morality of Judaism. Israel will only survive as a multi-ethnic and non-theocratic society, which I think is still possible. Israel has everything the Middle East needs - advanced education, technology, industry, ....."
Basically, you are saying that the Jewish nation will only "survive" when it ceases to be a Jewish nation. And I agree. But, if that is the case, it should revert back to being called "Palestine" which it was known as under the tutelage of a variety of occupiers for nearly two millenia. A single secular independent state of Palestine incorporating all its peoples, races, religions and languages is long overdo. It should be truly democratic and not the mock-democracy practiced by the current state that is officially of only one religion (and therefore of, by, and for only one class of people by their own sans constitution definition). The moribund two state solution being proffered by Neo-cons and Neo-Liberals alike is a fig-leaf to cover the naked racism of the Judeo-Apartheid state. The statement that the the Middle East "needs" Israel smacks of the arrogance of elitism, the Chosen, and "White Man's Burden" with all of its subtext of Manifest Destiny and Euro-centric colonialism. One can easily imagine a Crusader of yore making a similar statement to justify retaining a toe-hold in the "Holy Land."
"Look all we can do for you pathetic Arabs."
 
 
+27 # beeyl 2013-01-27 14:33
Stanley Milgram's experiments come to mind, where 60-70% of every group he tested showed a horrific tendency to be tribalistic and obedient to authority, even if it meant committing (what they thought to be) the electrocution of a stranger through levels of agonizing pain and into unresponsivenes s and possibly death.

That the very people who were victims of the most recent and infamous acts of ethnic cleansing and genocide in our history would endorse eugenics with these atrocious acts of forced sterilization is nauseating, but it's not because it's surprising; in fact, it sickens exactly because it further confirms what Milgram showed us decades ago - that no matter our race or creed, 2/3rds of us are predictably vile, undeveloped monsters.
 
 
+18 # madams12 2013-01-27 14:35
MAKE NO MISTAKE that this "eugenics solution"...is old and home grown right here in the USA by none less than the esteemed Supreme court jurists including Wm Taft, Oliver Wendell Holmes and Louis Brandeis who approved sterilization in a 1927 SCOTUS decision of (Carrie) Buck V Bell. (google it on WIKI). What is TRULY shocking in this case was that this decision was used to DEFEND nazi sterilizations referring to the American decision. BTW, the US sent its old Pickering xray machines to Ben Gurion in early 50s once it ceased sterilizing those US govt deemed "unfit" for the "protection of the State".
 
 
+10 # Bill from PA 2013-01-27 14:54
Fertility rate; total (births per woman) in Ethiopia The Fertility rate; total (births per woman) in Ethiopia was last reported at 4.19 in 2010, according to a World Bank report published in 2012. Total fertility rate represents the number of children that would be born to a woman if she were to live to the end of her childbearing years and bear children in accordance with current age-specific fertility rates. THis is down from 5.5 seven years earlier. Assuming the Israeli actions would drop fertility rate to about 2.1. Not extermination. THERE IS NO EXCUSE THOUGH for uninformed non consentual treatment. But it's not the same as Nazi Germany.

Palestinian birthrate: 3.51 children born/woman (2011 est.)

IN ISRAEL (not Palestine) According to research culled by Haaretz, between the mid-1980s and 2000, the birthrate in the Muslim sector was stable at 4.6–4.7 children per woman; After 2001 a gradual decline became evident, reaching 3.75 children per woman in 2010. By point of comparison, in 2010 there was a slowly rising birthrate of 2.97 children among the Jewish population.

Lots of information. Maybe too much. Maybe not presented well. But at least not misinformation or attacks. Mostly from Wikipedia and other sources. Bottom line, don't force birth control, but birth control is vital in many areas to reduction in tension due to overpopulation, lack of jobs and opportunities.
 
 
+8 # beeyl 2013-01-27 15:48
Yes, this isn't the same quantity of horror as the Nazi perpetration of a holocaust, but it is the same quality of horror.
 
 
+24 # silenus 2013-01-27 16:24
These women are not in Ethiopia. They are Ethiopian Jews living in Israel under the Israeli Law of Return which guarantees a homeland for all Jews.

I seriously doubt that the current Israeli government would even consider such treatment to Jews of American or European origin.
 
 
+12 # Activista 2013-01-27 18:52
One more bit of info:
Israeli settlers - the birth rate is a political and religious issue. Population growth in the settlements is much higher than in Israel itself ...
 
 
+1 # sayenitnow 2013-01-27 22:58
Bill @PA Thank you for posting what is not too much information, but is exactly what is missing in most posts regarding this abhorrent situation...fac t. I would like to add that the comparisons made to Hilter and Nazi Germany is beyond any reason. Anyone who cares to remember knows that Israel rescued many thousands of Ethiopian Jews from Ethiopia. They arrived with little more than the clothes on their backs. Israel has provided everything for these new Israeli immigrants, their housing,food, health care, education etc. Like it's elected leaders Israel is not perfect but it's no Nazi Germany.
 
 
+7 # Mannstein 2013-01-28 19:24
Gaza is an open air concentration camp where Palestinians are treated as sub humans.
 
 
+24 # dquandle 2013-01-27 14:57
Very little distinguishes the government of Israel from the Nazis.
Now they can add racial eugenics to their little list of heinous accomplishments .
 
 
+18 # beardog 2013-01-27 15:00
In this day and age such a retrogression into eugenics by an advanced society, one that actually suffered from the practice is abhorrent. Have the Israelis have become like their Nazi oppressors as they try to purify the Jewish race in Israel?
 
 
+18 # rradiof 2013-01-27 15:24
Immediately after achieving total contol of the German state, Adolf Hitler passed the "Law for the Prevention of Hereditary Offspring" (July 1933). Moreover, beginning in 1937, 400 mixed-race "Rhineland Bastards" were sterilized. In my former life as a criminal defense attorney, every alleged molester I defended had been molested. Israel has learned well from their Nazi masters. Over and out.
 
 
+9 # madams12 2013-01-27 17:53
But WHO is 'transmitting' this lesson?....
People forget that the war ended more than 65 years ago.
Could it be that dwelling on negativity is a choice? consider how poorly treated the actual holocaust survivors are in Israel which has received hundreds of billions for their well being....most "survivors" now in their 80s can barely afford to take a taxi to their medical appointments and thousands of them have LEFT Israel and moved (ironically) to Germany where they receive better treatment and medical care in their declining years. Israel has ensured that each succeeding generation of youngsters are indoctrinated to hate Germans and to "never forget". At some point one must CHOOSE to humanity and forgiveness. It IS a choice. Chlldren who are molested have few choices until they are able to grieve but then move forward.
 
 
+4 # sayenitnow 2013-01-27 23:52
madams12
"Never Forget" is not an indoctrination mantra to hate the German people. "Never Forget" is to remember that this horror really happened. It cannot be denied. We remember so we can remind "all mankind" to NEVER allow acts genocide.
 
 
+1 # Mannstein 2013-01-28 19:33
Wrong. It was Soviet Jews that played a leading roll in bringing about the Russian Revolution. They played also played a leading roll in the terror immediately thereafter. The Gulag was run and managed by Jews according to Alexander Solsenytsin. The Gulag moreover preceeded the Nazi concentration camps. The Nazis learned well from the Judeo-Communist s.
 
 
+1 # dkonstruction 2013-01-29 07:15
Quoting Mannstein:
Wrong. It was Soviet Jews that played a leading roll in bringing about the Russian Revolution. They played also played a leading roll in the terror immediately thereafter. The Gulag was run and managed by Jews according to Alexander Solsenytsin. The Gulag moreover preceeded the Nazi concentration camps. The Nazis learned well from the Judeo-Communists.


Stalin wasn't a Jew? No...So, does that mean i should blame the Gulag's on Christians or the Russian Orthodox Church? All such arguments are simply ideology and or propaganda masquerading as serious history.
 
 
0 # handmjones 2013-01-29 18:43
Actually, the concept of concentration camps was an American invention.
 
 
+7 # hoodwinkednomore 2013-01-27 17:28
Waht goes around comes around--no getting away from this 'law.' In the meantime, the government of Israel proves yet again, just what a sick government they are. Boycott Israel!!
 
 
+11 # ccjulie 2013-01-27 17:59
No one has mentioned this week's Israeli elections - there is some hope. I agree with many of the comments about the deplorable actions and apartheid state of affairs - can't be denied - but must add that genocide is not a goal or else they really suck at it. 65 years and they don't come close to what the Nazis achieved in a few. Or the Rwandans. Or the Ottomans.
 
 
+10 # L H 2013-01-27 18:40
The Hebrew ancestors of the Israeli people committed genocide on the same soil that is Israel today. It was Canaan. Jehovah told the Hebrews to kill every man, woman and child, but protect the vineyards and herds to keep for themselves. And they did.

They learned genocide and land theft long ago. After all their suffering in WWII, why are they committing genocide and stealing lands again? Have they no conscience, no soul?

Like us, a lot of the people may not agree with what their government is doing.
 
 
+4 # shraeve 2013-01-27 22:15
If I recall, Yahweh told them to kill all the Canaanites' animals as well. Saul got into trouble with the prophet Samuel for not doing that.
 
 
+2 # dkonstruction 2013-01-29 07:18
Quoting L H:
The Hebrew ancestors of the Israeli people committed genocide on the same soil that is Israel today. It was Canaan. Jehovah told the Hebrews to kill every man, woman and child, but protect the vineyards and herds to keep for themselves. And they did.

They learned genocide and land theft long ago. After all their suffering in WWII, why are they committing genocide and stealing lands again? Have they no conscience, no soul?

Like us, a lot of the people may not agree with what their government is doing.


That's like saying that the Democratic Party of the 1830s is the same Democratic Party we have today. Not to mention the fact that you are saying as if it was historical fact that "Jehovah told the Hebrews to kill every man, woman and child...And they did." And, to whom are you referring when you ask "Have they no conscience, no soul?" Are you suggesting that all Israelis let alone all Jews support such heinous policies?
 
 
+6 # Activista 2013-01-27 18:46
I wish the USA had ONE factual paper as Haaretz - information in Israel is still flowing - NOT in the USA.
Israel could launch a pre-emptive strike to stop Syria's chemical weapons ... is in news now ... and Obama said he has to weigh the benefit of a military intervention (bombing Syria) ... Israel/Mossad intelligence of loading chemical bombs is/was the lie ... like uranium from Niger - but NEOCONS are marching ON ...
 
 
+4 # shraeve 2013-01-27 22:16
They are going to bomb chemical weapons depots? What will that do to those living nearby?
 
 
+4 # Activista 2013-01-28 12:08
The question is IF these chemical weapons depots exist - old war propaganda from Sharon days that Saddam moved WMD to his enemy Assad.
Israel will use any lies to bomb Syria - Iran ally.
 
 
+6 # shraeve 2013-01-27 22:19
Can someone explain to me why the Jewish state was not established where it should have been, namely in Eastern Europe?
 
 
+3 # Mannstein 2013-01-28 19:35
Hitler wanted to send them all to Madagascar.
 
 
+22 # Smokey 2013-01-27 19:06
FIRST: I've spent some time in Israel, Paelestine, and Ethiopia, during recent years. Despite the propaganda that the Israeli government broadcasts, most Ethiopians in Israel are treated, at best, as "second class Jews." They've become pawns in a complicated political game.... Although, yes, it's probably true that protection in Israel is an improvement over persecution in Ethiopia.... The situation is sad.

SECOND: "Liberal" Americans are, slowly, waking up to the reality of population politics in America and in the rest of the world.... Marching around and shouting "pro-choice" slogans is wonderful, in some situations, and it's needed.... However: There's a long history of using contraceptives and abortion programs to promote eugenics and genocide. A tragic situation.

What to watch?

1) Be wary of any population control program that focuses its attention on minority groups.

2) Note that many women are caught in poverty, lack of medical education, etc. Many can easily be pressured into "choice." ("You'll be happier, dear, if you do what the doctor asks.")

3) When groups work for "choice" and population limits - but they don't address problems like poverty and racism - something is wrong.

It's time for a new conversation about population issues. Work for justice for all women. Not just the fortunate few with money and college educations.
 
 
+5 # Activista 2013-01-28 02:28
Thanks for thoughts and ideas - so rare in this age of propaganda.
 
 
+10 # Smokey 2013-01-28 06:43
[quote name="Activista "]" Thanks for thoughts and ideas - so rare in this age of propaganda."

There's a need for new thinking in discussions about abortion, family planning, population control, and related issues. The news from Israel may encourage some critical thinking.

I encourage progressives to also look at the rising abortion rates among African-America ns and Hispanics. Poverty is part of the problem. However, racism is also a big concern. It's becoming increasingly difficult for Black women, especially, to marry and to help support their families. White "liberals" - including some religious groups - promote abortion for minority groups.

Population control? It's an old story that starts with the Book of Exodus. Pharaoh didn't trust minority groups and he decided to eliminate the Hebrews.

What to watch?

Walk away from any environmental group that spends lots of time talking about "the population bomb" while ignoring economic justice needs.

Is the world overpopulated? Nobody knows. However, it's obvious that a small minority - mostly white folks with money - consumes huge quantities of food, energy, water, etc. In the developing nations, millions of people are close to starvation.

Given this reality, do we ask for wealth redistribution or do we tell poor people to stop producing babies?
How do we get "justice for all"?
 
 
+5 # Activista 2013-01-28 12:18
" it's obvious that a small minority - mostly white folks with money - consumes huge quantities of food, energy, water"
the consumerism/gre ed - maximizing profit is the issue.
Took population ecology - with stable/secure society the birth rate goes DOWN - people are able to control their life and future when quality of life increases.
Population BOMB is real - look at deforestation/g lobal warming/burning carbohydrates.
 
 
+2 # Smokey 2013-01-28 07:04
[quote name="Smokey"]
"Be wary of any population control program that focuses its attention on minority groups."

COMMENT: Some of the "liberal" churches are promoting "beyond choice" programs in minority communities. In the past, the goal was to provide access to family planning services with opportunitities for "choice." The new goal is to go into minority communities to actively promote abortion and contraceptives use. (Obamacare provides contraceptives. Why is there a need to "go beyond choice?")



" When groups work for "choice" and population limits - but they don't address problems like poverty and racism - something is wrong."

COMMENT: Rising abortion rates are not a sign of "progress" and "liberation." For minority groups and the poor, rising abortion rates are often a symptom of social problems experienced by the whole community.

Libertarians - including many "liberals" - want "choice," but they're not interested in social justice.

Some of the big conservation groups want to limit the size of the human population. However, they're not interested in things like womens rights and economic justice.
 
 
-8 # Mannstein 2013-01-28 19:38
Greens value animal species above human species.
 
 
+2 # Activista 2013-01-28 20:21
Quoting Mannstein:
Greens value animal species above human species.
greens value ALL life - above that of Homo Destructor
 
 
+2 # Dr Peter Sloane 2013-01-28 00:27
To 'ganymede' I was considering posting on this issue - No need to. I think you summerised it perfectly.
 
 
+6 # WASABIMON 2013-01-28 04:02
the biggest threat to ISRAEL is ........THE TRUTH.......
 
 
+2 # lamdagimi 2013-01-28 08:04
I witnessed some of refugee women being experimented on back in the early 80s in the refugee camp. Hmong, Khmer, Lao, & Vietnamese refugees were taught basic language, culture and work orientation skills as they were being processed for resettlement in the US. These people suffered horribly from the ravages of war and then horrific tragedies and trauma as they escaped from their countries. They were most vulnerable and had no idea what they were subjected to. Most of us were working for a DC-based and religious-orien ted organization. For the clinics in the camps to have been able to inject the women with the experimental drug of depo provera, would have involved the US agencies involved in the refugee camps.
 
 
+8 # medusa 2013-01-28 08:34
The discussion of Nazi practices in this thread seems almost completely uninformed about the methods and the numbers killed by the Nazi regime.
Let's work for the rule of law and the implementation of our own Bill of Rights, a better plan than shouting slogans.
 
 
-4 # Mannstein 2013-01-28 19:42
It certainly wasn't 6 million in homocidal gas chambers. There were still 1 million survivors in the year 2000 according to the Israeli Government.
 
 
+4 # dkonstruction 2013-01-29 07:29
Quoting Mannstein:
It certainly wasn't 6 million in homocidal gas chambers. There were still 1 million survivors in the year 2000 according to the Israeli Government.


And your point? The 6 million killed figure has always been a historical estimate with many historians suggesting a range of somewhere between 4-7 million killed (and does it matter whether they were gassed in the chambers or shot or beaten to death?). As for the 1 million "survivors" in 2000 many have challenged this number and suggested that up to 90% could be frauds...others who use this 1,000,000 survivor number use it to claim that it is evidence that the Holocaust never happened or that it is simply an attempt by Israel and Jews to extort money (again with the Jews/Money stuff). And, so, again, your point here?
 
 
+9 # Aaron Tovish 2013-01-28 08:49
I do not think this is a very good news story. It does not say when the practice began; nor does it say what the women were told and what was done if a woman said 'stop'. I wouldn't be at all surprised if many women stopped and had children (there are 35,000 Israeli born Ethiopians, nearly a quarter of the total) and I would be surprised if many women knew exactly what was going on and gladly continued. A study of the economic conditions of those who willingly continued and those who discontinued might be useful.
Without some more information we are all just talking through our hats.
 
 
+5 # listentome 2013-01-28 12:26
Depro Prevera was shown to have cancerous
tumors on beagle dogs in the 60s and thus no longer used in USA. I see it has cropped up in Israel and perhaps in Asia for racist purposes. The clinical studies were published in American Medical Society magazine and here in Government news:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12179873.

Eugenics alive and well here and elsewhere.

From Simplist
 
 
+4 # David Starr 2013-01-28 14:51
What an irony that Israel practices forced, birth control injections, resulting in population decline of a certain group. But they will never forget the Nazi Holocaust, they being singled out as a certain group themselves. The two are not exactly the same, but Israel appears not to have learned from the historical persecution of Jews as the "Other," as Israel itself conducts depopulation methods on another "Other."
 
 
+4 # MsBelle 2013-01-28 15:39
Why has this news not been reported through mainstream media? If Israel is going to stand for human rights in other countries, but abuse the rights of their citizens, why should this be kept quiet? I believe that this is not a mass cover up, but the thinking of a small group, but it still needs to be in mainstream media, and the Government of Israel need to make it known to the International Community that this is not their Policy. I'm just sayin!
 
 
-2 # Jake 2013-01-29 07:17
Moving from the 3rd world (on Israel dime) to the first is a cultural clash. Don't you think these young woman should learn the language and go to school to learn how to be self supporting and be able to contribute to their new society before they make the choice to start knocking out babies. To call Israeli's racist is most absurd and it shows the closedd minded racism of the writers. You don't let an uneducated child start having babies, well consider the uneducated Ethiopeans as children. The assimilated Ethiopeans living in the United STates don't have 10 children so I don't suppose that the unassimilated Ethiopeans moving to Israel want 10 kids until the are ready either. You morons are the reason I don't contribute to this 'progressive' wedsite.
 
 
+4 # Edwina 2013-01-29 08:52
Let's not forget that Native-american women were sterilized, and Black men were injected with syphilis in order to "study" it. There is no shortage of horror committed by any state. That is why we must have daylight, rather than secrecy, about government activity. It is time to expose Israel's crimes against its citizens and against the Palestinians (some of whom are Israeli citizens). Too often these are not reported because Israel has convinced the world that Israel represents all Jews, and to criticize Israel is anti-Semitic. (Our representatives in Congress and the media have no problem being anti-Muslim. Although they call it "anti-terrorist ".) Israel and the U.S. must give up their delusions of grandure (control), if we are to find a road to peace.
 
 
-3 # billeeboy 2013-01-29 11:40
It makes me very sad whenever I see the State of Israel engaging in racist programs. If the Israeli were going to use this drug they should at least have used it on the Haredim whose birthrate insures that they will control Israeli politics and thus ultimately lead to the implosion of the Israeli state as secular Jews who fight for separation of church and state are overwhelmed by extreme fanaticism of the Haredim
 
 
0 # p4me 2013-01-29 13:06
Let's set aside the oppression Olympics and stay focused on these specific victims and specific oppressors/vict imizers. The women and their husbands deserve redress and if that has to take the form of money, so be it. The doctors deserve punishment, criminal and civil beginning with the loss of their medical licenses. Making teh victim whole again is basic law since Adam. It should be no different here. And before anyone else brings it up, the so called rescue from terrible conditions in Ethiopia or anywhere else for that matter do not mitigate criminal actions preyed upon them.
 
 
+1 # Activista 2013-01-30 23:31
Israel has boycotted the UN human rights forum over fears of scrutiny of its treatment of residents of the occupied territories. Israel is now the first state in history to win a deferment of the periodical review of its human rights record.
Tel Aviv has refused to send a delegation on Tuesday to the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva for the Universal Periodic Review procedure where UN member states have their human rights record evaluated every four years.
Israel’s cooperation with the council stopped last March after the UN set up a committee to inspect the effects of the Israeli settlements on Palestinians.
rt.com/news/israel-human-rights-boycott-032/
 
 
0 # John C. Wenger 2013-02-06 16:11
Now that everyone has gotten all of their self-righteous fury out of their system, it is time to consider whether these allegations are, in fact, true. CAMERA has written a detailed refutation of this article, but I can't put it in here because I keep being told that it is too long.

I hope that readers will check this out themselves and that RSN will print a retraction.
 

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