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Goodstein reports: "American nuns are preparing to assemble in St. Louis next week for a pivotal meeting at which they will try to decide how to respond to a scathing critique of their doctrinal loyalty issued this spring by the Vatican - a report that has prompted Roman Catholics across the country to rally to the nuns' defense."

Sister Claudia Bronsing takes part in a vigil at St. Colman Church in Cleveland, Ohio, in support of Catholic nuns who were criticized by the Vatican. (photo: Michael McElroy/NYT)
Sister Claudia Bronsing takes part in a vigil at St. Colman Church in Cleveland, Ohio, in support of Catholic nuns who were criticized by the Vatican. (photo: Michael McElroy/NYT)



Nuns Weigh Response to Scathing Vatican Rebuke

By Laurie Goodstein, The New York Times

29 July 12

 

merican nuns are preparing to assemble in St. Louis next week for a pivotal meeting at which they will try to decide how to respond to a scathing critique of their doctrinal loyalty issued this spring by the Vatican - a report that has prompted Roman Catholics across the country to rally to the nuns' defense.

The nuns will be weighing whether to cooperate with the three bishops appointed by the Vatican to supervise the overhaul of their organization, the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, which represents about 80 percent of women's Catholic religious orders in the United States.

The Leadership Conference says it is considering at least six options that range from submitting graciously to the takeover to forming a new organization independent of Vatican control, as well other possible courses of action that lie between those poles.

What is in essence a power struggle between the nuns and the church's hierarchy had been building for decades, church scholars say. At issue are questions of obedience and autonomy, what it means to be a faithful Catholic and different understandings of the Second Vatican Council.

Sister Pat Farrell, the president of the Leadership Conference, said in an interview that the Vatican seems to regard questioning as defiance, while the sisters see it as a form of faithfulness.

"We have a differing perspective on obedience," Sister Farrell said. "Our understanding is that we need to continue to respond to the signs of the times, and the new questions and issues that arise in the complexities of modern life are not something we see as a threat."

These same conflicts are gripping the Catholic Church at large. Nearly 50 years after the start of Vatican II, which was intended to open the church to the modern world and respond to the "signs of the times," the church is gravely polarized between a progressive wing still eager for change and reform and a traditionalist flank focused on returning to what it sees as doctrinal fundamentals.

The sisters have been caught in the riptide. Most of them have spent their lives serving the sick, the poor, children and immigrants - and not engaged in battles over theology. But when some sisters after Vatican II began to question church prohibitions on women serving as priests, artificial birth control or the acceptance of same-sex relationships, their religious orders did not shut down such discussion or treat it as apostasy. In fact, they have continued to insist on their right to debate and challenge church teaching, which has resulted in the Vatican's reproof.

The former head of the church's doctrinal office, Cardinal William J. Levada, said after his last meeting with the nuns' leaders in June, just before he retired, that they should regard his office's harsh assessment as "an invitation to obedience."

"I admire religious men and women," Cardinal Levada said in an interview with The National Catholic Reporter. "But if they aren't people who believe and express the faith of the church, the doctrines of the church, then I think they're misrepresenting who they are and who they ought to be."

The sisters say they see no contradiction in embracing the Catholic faith while also being open to questioning certain church teachings based on new information or new experiences. The Leadership Conference has not taken a stand in favor of the ordination of women or the acceptance of gay relationships, but it has discussed such topics at its meetings. Members insist that open discussion of church doctrine is not only their right but is also healthy for the church.

They say their approach is no different from that of many Catholic priests and laypeople, not just those in the United States. As evidence, they cite messages of support they have received from Catholic religious orders of men and women all over Europe, Asia and Latin America - as well as in the United States.

"We make our vows, but our obedience isn't blind," said one mother superior, who, like others, did not want to be identified while the future of the Leadership Conference is in limbo. "Obedience comes from listening."

Vatican II led to dramatic changes now taken for granted by many Catholics: allowing worship in local languages instead of only Latin, encouraging the participation of laypeople, and cooperating with other churches and faiths.

The council also approved a document, "Perfectae Caritatis" ("Perfect Love"), that instructed men and women in religious orders to study their orders' founders and original sources, and use that inspiration to re-evaluate and renew their mission. The sisters say they took the instruction to heart.

"We were the ones who probably took Vatican II and ran the fastest and the farthest with it," said Sister Janice Farnham, a retired professor of church history at the Boston College School of Theology and Ministry. "Sometimes our church leaders forget, we were tasked to do these things by the church. The church said jump, and we said, how high?

"The church said update, renew, go back to your sources, and we did it as best we could. We did it with a passion, and we paid dearly."

The sisters after Vatican II had access as never before to higher education, and they went on to become scholars and theologians, chief executives of hospitals, legal aid lawyers, social workers and martyrs in countries like El Salvador. They took on issues including economic injustice, racism, women's rights, immigration, interfaith relations and environmentalism - which for many years put them in collegial working relationships with bishops who were also engaged in those causes.

But the two popes who reigned for the last 34 years - first John Paul II and now Benedict XVI - appointed bishops who are far more theologically and politically conservative than their predecessors. Drawing on these popes' teachings, this new generation of American bishops has steered the church's social priorities toward opposition to abortion, gay marriage and secularism.

The Leadership Conference was a thorn in the Vatican's side even before 1979, the year its president at the time, Sister Theresa Kane, welcomed John Paul to Washington with a public plea to ordain women in the priesthood. The group has remained unified despite pressure from the Vatican by making decisions only after consulting its membership. It is hardly the small splinter group that some conservative critics have recently tried to portray.

The disciplinary action against the nuns comes just as American bishops are struggling to reassert their authority with a wayward flock. The bishops are in the midst of a campaign to defend against what they see as serious threats to religious liberty - especially a government mandate to provide employees of Catholic institutions with health insurance that covers contraception. But the prelates are well aware of polls showing that about 95 percent of Catholic women have used birth control at some point in their lives, and 52 percent support same-sex marriage - little different from the public at large.

The dissonance is of great concern to American bishops and the Vatican.

"The church must speak with one voice," Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the papal nuncio to the United States, said in an address in June to American bishops at their meeting in Atlanta. "We all know that the fundamental tactic of the enemy is to show a church divided."

He added pointedly that at this "difficult time," there is a special need for women and men in religious orders, and for Catholic universities, to "take on an attitude of deep communion" with the bishops.

 

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+72 # nealjking 2012-07-29 07:47
The Catholic Church is not a democracy. But somehow, it seems to me that it will be a decision of the American Catholics as to whether they support the nuns or the bishops, if there is no reconciliation.
 
 
+143 # universlman 2012-07-29 07:58
Perhaps the current suppression of the nuns by the bishops is just one more symptom of the continuing disaster resulting from the repression of human sexuality demonstrated in so many ways in the Catholic doctrine.
 
 
+29 # vicnada 2012-07-29 20:23
Hasn't "thinking" in the Catholic tradition historically been left to the bishops and those in the hierarchy--all men? "Feeling", the feminine aspect, which includes worship, devotion and obedience--wasn 't that the lot of the nuns and the rest of common folk? Vatican II gave nuns the right to think. Pandora-like, they are successfully thinking themselves "out of the box". But the church also teaches that purified thinking has cleansing consequences. Why should we be surprised, then, about the heart-breaking reports that surface almost daily? Sadly, we find more and more among the male Catholic hierarchy who perversely "think" there is no place for women (or young boys, tragically) who do not "worship" on their knees...and remain forever silent.
 
 
+160 # the walrus 2012-07-29 08:14
The archbishop says "The church must speak with one voice." Thank you, Carlo, for enunciating exactly why I, and thousands like me, are ex-catholics and proud of it. I hope millions will see that that purpose of the Vatican is to control its catholic members, and will join us.
 
 
+63 # WestWinds 2012-07-29 09:53
We left because of their demands for money.
They don't do anything to earn it, yet they expect it and demand it.

Besides, my family is Irish. I've never understood why we had to pay homage to an Italian church with a Jewish (Essene) god.
 
 
+35 # Regina 2012-07-29 11:41
That Italian church doesn't recognize or understand the Jewishness of its god. It even has been known to reject that jewishness.
 
 
+41 # Billbb 2012-07-29 17:46
Amen, Walrus!

Tho' I'm a gay man, I left pre-Vatican II when the pope went to impoverished Latin America and demand that the people not take steps to prevent having more children than they could feed. This seemed outrageously immoral to me and I walked away from the church. Their twisted, groundless, clueless way of treating sexuality is what has led to countless children being abused. They're sick and in denial. Sex is ideally an expression of love yet they try to keep it in the gutter where they end up themselves.
 
 
+46 # Billbb 2012-07-29 17:54
To the church hierarchy, critical thinking is the ultimate sin.
 
 
+26 # Barkingcarpet 2012-07-29 18:13
Praise Nature folks. Everything else is institutionaliz ed power B.S. and control issues/preserva tion of empire and profit, at the expense of real values and kindness. Already too much professing. Time to live and be the expression of LOVE!
 
 
+35 # Texas Aggie 2012-07-29 18:37
The archbishop is correct that the church should speak with one voice. What he misses is that the voice that should speak isn't his. It is the voice of the members of the church that should speak, and if he really wants to reverse the chronic deterioration of the church, he will start listening to the members and join in their voice.
 
 
+77 # Dion Giles 2012-07-29 08:17
Any threats to religious liberty emanate from the Vatican, not from the government. Fortunately such threats are empty. Clerics can't get away with behaving as they have done when and where they have had real power. Vigano and the Vatican can be told to butt out. It's as simple as that.
 
 
+43 # WestWinds 2012-07-29 09:44
You're wrong. There is a very definite political connection... through George W. Bush and the Faith Based Initiative.
 
 
+71 # Tazio 2012-07-29 10:48
And Republican kiss up Cardinal Dolan bringin' that Tea Party anger to Rome is part of this animus, you betcha!

According to the story, when Jesus rose from the dead, the only witness was one woman. The male disciples doubted her story, of course, but nonetheless, shouldn't women have a bigger role in the churching business?

The 3 Abrahamic religions all seem hostile to female participation, except in subservient ways.

Why is Bronze Age mythology almost mandatory today?
 
 
+69 # genierae 2012-07-29 12:58
Tazio, there are many books of the original Bible that were omitted in the time of the early church, and these books had many women who were just as powerful as the men. As the church evolved, men decided that these women should not have any legacy, that would be too damaging to male dominance. These corrupt old men changed the true Bible, taking out the divine feminine for the sake of the male ego. Since that time the church hasn't evolved at all in any real way, and now these good women are being persecuted and demonized, just as Jesus was, for following his teachings. They make the priests look very bad and so they must be stopped.
 
 
+100 # Antemedius 2012-07-29 08:54
More and more, people are wising up and just don't DO religion anymore.
 
 
+96 # WestWinds 2012-07-29 09:46
Religion used to have its place and provided vital services to the people, but it has become corporatized, privatized, predatory and male dominated; thus, losing touch with the people.
 
 
+37 # Antemedius 2012-07-29 10:11
Religion is a false choice offering power play.

Always has been.
 
 
+27 # Doggone 2012-07-30 06:32
I figured out a long time ago that the truth of God doesn't come from the institution of "churches" not matter what flavor, but from within, which is exactly where these nuns are coming from - God Bless Them All.
 
 
+158 # Jaylu 2012-07-29 08:55
Heart felt thanks to the nuns for pursuing true Christianity when the lack of it appears to be centered in the church hierarchy itself. Women of all faiths recognize your dedication to your vows to serve. Your reasonable responses to the Vatican only serve to highlight the level of insanity that has made its way into the old guard.

I remember a priest saying to me, in jest, "Ah, the women of the church always on their knees; either praying or scrubbing." I didn't laugh.
 
 
+57 # Mike Farrace 2012-07-29 10:27
I second that. The humanitarian Christian values by which the nuns live should not depend on the political Christian values by which the bishops live. Seems to me what bishops should do is imagine life without nuns before they dig in their heels.
 
 
+98 # Skeptical1247 2012-07-29 08:59
Why does the church actually need to speak "with one voice" , obviously a male voice more invested in retaining or expanding power than in being of service to parishioners, and who is the "enemy" exactly? The hierarchy is ALL about politics and money and the nuns appear to be about service to humanity in the real world. Let's hear it for Nun Power! The "invitation to obedience" is actually an invitation to open rebellion supported by a rather large majority of the faithful that live in the real world.
 
 
+42 # Regina 2012-07-29 11:44
The enemy is women who dare to think when they are commanded to genuflect.
 
 
+79 # hattie12KY 2012-07-29 09:02
The bishops might need a little leadership coaching and learn the benefits of "valuing dissent."
 
 
+42 # Antemedius 2012-07-29 09:19
The people need a little reality coaching and need to learn the benefits of laughing off the churches.
 
 
+77 # Phoenician 2012-07-29 09:15
"He (the Papal Nuncio) added pointedly that at this "difficult time," there is a special need for women and men in religious orders, and for Catholic universities, to "take on an attitude of deep communion" with the bishops."
This reminds me of a story my father told me, of a proud parent, watching her son march by in a July 4th Parade, and saying, "Oh, they are all out of step except our son Johnnie."
The Papal Nuncio seems to think that 95% of Catholic women are wrong on birth control, and 52% are wrong on same-sex marriage. The poor man is still in the "Pray, Pay and Obey" time warp, and does not seem to see anything strange in defining "an attitude of deep communion" as "unconditional surrender."
 
 
+114 # tomo 2012-07-29 09:15
There is a "Catholic Church" taught to male seminarians on their way to the priesthood that teaches that the Catholic Church is "infallible," and that it is "The Rock" against which the gates of hell shall not prevail. This notion draws little from the actual history of the Catholic Church, but it has a strong appeal for the imaginations of earnest young men about to devote their lives to the church's service. Those who are most totally committed to this notion tend to become pastors, monsignors, bishops, cardinals, and popes. Their mistake is not without negative consequences.

Though his own commission unanimously advised that church teaching on contraception be revised, Pope Paul the Sixth reaffirmed traditional teaching. His reasoning seemed to run along these lines: The Church has always taught against contraception; but the Church is infallible; therefore contraception is wrong.

To take a second instance: As bishops all over the world were receiving reports of sexual abuse of kids by Catholic priests, the concern of bishops wasn't concern for these "least of my little ones," but for the reputation of the Church. The bishops worshiped a church of their imagination rather than govern the real churches for which they were responsible. It was an act of idolatry.

There's no easy way to apologize for this act. Instead of apologizing, the bishops have tried to divert attention by attacking nuns. Their behavior is pitiful
 
 
+72 # BlueReview 2012-07-29 09:35
"The church must speak with one voice." I agree--or I would if the church spoke "with one voice" against priestly pedophilia instead of covering it up.

The Bible tells us that God gave Man free will, but apparently that "free will" is only allowed to those who do not question. My free will tells me to resist any effort to return the world to the 13th century, where anyone questioning the church was burned at the stake for heresy and witchcraft--and the rich thought they could buy their way into Heaven, after a lifetime of doing whatever they wished to the poor serfs who had to serve them.

These nuns make me proud to be a Catholic. Well, okay, lapsed Catholic, but still, I was baptized and brought up as a Catholic.
 
 
+59 # midwestgirl 2012-07-29 10:10
It is the bishops, cardinals, and pope who do not follow the way of Christ or God when they treat women as unequal. It is they who are not being obediant to the will of God, choosing instead to pervert the Church with their own greed for power and wealth. Not to mention an inability to question their own sense of infallibility. Humility is the beginning of the way and Doubt is the beginning of faith. No doubt, no humility = no faith.
 
 
+98 # midwestgirl 2012-07-29 10:12
Kudos to these nuns for living and breathing the teachings of Christianity in a far more truthful way than the most priests have ever done. The men are too busy playing politics and covering up the sexual crimes of their peers.
 
 
+20 # jwb110 2012-07-29 10:16
Democracy is only safe when the last oligarch is strangled with the intestines of the last priest.
 
 
+45 # drshafer 2012-07-29 10:41
As Australian Bishop Geoff Robinson has been pointing out for several years, for Rome the REAL issue is maintaining the authority of the pope and the illusion of never being wrong at ANY cost. The past two popes were not at all interested in following John XXIII's clarion call to heed the "signs of the times"--signs that would clearly point in the direction of a more participatory and genuinely dialogical and transparent governance structure. When John XXIII spoke of the Second Vatican Council, he considered it only the dawning of changes to come, and women religious, precisely because they were not part of the hierarchy, eagerly took up the cause. Today THEY represent the REAL church, while the past two popes have been desperately locking doors and closing windows their predecessor had opened. Alas, as the director of a religious education program told me years ago, "the genie (Holy Spirit) is out of the bottle!"
 
 
+57 # moonrigger 2012-07-29 10:58
With all due respect to religious folks, the whole concept of having a church that maintains a frilly male hierarchy, that is totally out of touch with the real needs of people, is ludicrous. We can all ask, who died and made them God? Who indeed? And what was the real purpose? To promote the socialist values Jesus taught, or to squelch them, and use their self-spun dogma to coerce the populace into being sheeple for the crowned heads? That anyone continues to genuflect to their authority is a serious sign of being brainwashed.

Wake up. There is no Santa Claus, no Easter Bunny, and the Pope is not infallible. It's all smoke and mirrors. Look within and you will find a real source of virtue. But you really HAVE to look within, not without! Strengthen your powers of critical thinking, people! Don't cede power over to someone claiming to know better than you what is right or wrong. Follow the money. Use the clues.
 
 
+23 # genierae 2012-07-29 13:05
Well said, moonrigger!
 
 
+32 # Okieangels 2012-07-29 11:11
Millions of married Catholics do whatever they feel is best with regard to birth control, and pay precious little attention to the bishops. The nuns should take a page from the married peoples' play-book, and ignore the bishops. And now, a message from Pope Ratzinger: "Over the pope as expression of the binding claim of ecclesiastical authority, there stands one's own conscience which must be obeyed before all else, even if necessary against the requirement of ecclesiastical authority. This emphasis on the individual, whose conscience confronts him with a supreme and ultimate tribunal, and one which in the last resort is beyond the claim of external social groups, even the official church, also establishes a principle in opposition to increasing totalitarianism".
(Joseph Ratzinger in: Commentary on the Documents of Vatican II ,Vol. V., pg. 134 (Ed) H. Vorgrimler, New York, Herder and Herder, 1967).
 
 
+18 # AMLLLLL 2012-07-29 12:04
Okie, that was before he became Papa Ratzi.
 
 
+11 # Okieangels 2012-07-29 16:38
True, but he still said it...
 
 
+25 # AnastasiaP 2012-07-29 16:50
In addition, Bishop Levada's past in both Portland and San Francisco, leaving trails of wreckage in both places, hardly makes him fit to pass judgment American nuns. What a corrupt choice for such a high office in the Vatican — or maybe not, considering its roots in the Inquisition.
 
 
+11 # Texas Aggie 2012-07-29 18:46
Good for you. I really like that quote and good on you for finding it. It shows you how you have to be careful about what you say because you may have to eat your words.
 
 
+13 # pazyluz 2012-07-29 11:22
My father's house has many mansions.
 
 
+11 # Antemedius 2012-07-29 11:38
While most everyone sucked in to "worshiping" lives in shacks.
 
 
+25 # pazyluz 2012-07-29 11:30
Christ was a joker, dressing the men up and making them wear long skirts, set the table, co-create the food. If only they could become like women heart and soul. Christ came for all women, they were his early followers and monetary supporters of his band of fishermen. These courageous nuns are challenging the clergy's tragic fall for political power instead of looking out for the well being of the masses. Our nuns are acting like our missing biblical deaconesses who get how to do a bottom up religion. They replace our victim-blaming hierarchy's empty messages with the vibrant truths of Christs teachings in action.
 
 
+27 # The Saint 2012-07-29 11:35
"By their fruits you shall know them." Haven't seen or heard much fruitful from American Bishops and the motley crew hanging around the Vatican. A lot of lame excuses and real money spent on suits against pedophile priests. Meanwhile the nuns have witnessed to Christ, embodied the Sermon on the Mount and the warning that "Whatever you do to the least of my brothers (and sisters) you do to me." Feed the hungry, clothe the naked..."The Grand INquisitor" is a must read. They just don't get it. They don't get it hee and they didn't get it with the child abuse cases. They are not God though they pretend to carry God's authority. How often hasn't that brand of arrogance led to either persecution, inquisitions, holy wars (jihad s and crusades)? A group of self-appointed, self-righteous male authoritarians dumping once more on women. We see this in branches of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity where authority from on high seems to never trickle down to those who actually put their faith into practice. They actually don't believe they are a patriarchy. Talk about those who have ears and cannot hear, eyes and cannot see. Maybe the fear of gay marriage is too much like the fear of female ordination--too "unnatural." Upsetting the divine order and hierarchy. But wait. What is natural about a community of unmarried celibate men? Maybe Adam should have refused God's "be fruitful and multiply" "one flesh" advice and told Eve he was too godlike and she should shut up and listen to him
 
 
+25 # ritaague 2012-07-29 12:06
Jim Fitzgerald, head of Call to Action (CTA), has asked justice and peace dedicated Catholics and former Catholics who support CTA, to write a letter to the nuns. These letter writers are like the nuns, in that they (myself included, a Catholic turned Episcopal) seek a far more loving, caring, giving, sharing church with Vatican II roots, and follow their consciences toward a church which walks the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost walk vs. the greed and power addicted evil path the Pope and many bishops and hierarchy are today following.

Here's my letter: GO, SISTERS, GO !
 
 
+33 # NAVYVET 2012-07-29 12:14
These nuns are women to be honored, as was John XXIII who inspired them! I'm a Unitarian Universalist & church historian specializing in the history and theology of the Middle Ages. Imperialism shows how blind arrogance can erode ethics and judgment. Absolutists follow obsolete ideas and rigid rules, which can make any group suffer from its leaders' blunders.

I have hopes for Catholicism. It's gone through learning pains before--like the Reformation, a reaction to the papacy's flaunting of pomposities such as changing the title of the pope from simple "Bishop of Rome" to "Vicar (Surrogate) of Christ", introducing the notion of papal infallibility, claiming the "supreme sword" of rule over both church and secular society, forbidding married priests in an attempt to make the priesthood sacrosanct in the manner of ancient pagan celibate cults, the sale of indulgences through which the pope took over God's judgment of the destination of souls in the afterlife, and much more that irritated people with common sense. These over-the-top claims led to movements within the Medieval hierarchy like the Conciliarists, popular revolts, and finally schism. My church democratized long ago, and our congregants' eagerness to serve the world shows that many religious liberals have become better at following Jesus than a lot of those who claim to be Christian. ("By their fruits shall ye know them.") I heartily cheer these nuns' desire to carry forward John XXIII's vision.
 
 
+29 # vgirl1 2012-07-29 12:19
True Christians support the nuns, not the Vatican or its pompous, pious leaders who like the scribes, Pharasees, and Sedducees would be rebuked by Christ for their less than Christian attitudes and approach to the people of the world.
 
 
+38 # genierae 2012-07-29 12:47
Whether she's in the Catholic Church or anywhere else, a woman who learns to think for herself is a serious threat to the traditional hypocrisy of the white male hierarchy. Unlike the priests who prate about religious principles while protecting child-molesters , these nuns practice their religion in every thing they do. They know that God is love and they act from that love. They are the true core of the church and they should start their own separate order and tell the priests to go to hell!
 
 
+21 # Skeptical1247 2012-07-29 13:07
Holy Crap! And the comment box score on this one is P&B (Pope & Bishops) : ZERO Nuns : EVERYBODY
 
 
+26 # tigerlille 2012-07-29 13:37
Good for the nuns! Considering their context, their actions have required real courage. The Vatican is bringing the Inquisition back, in modern guise. I think they should leave the church and form their own organization, or at least defect and join the Episcopalian church, which has had women priests in real positions of leadership for a while. I think that the average Catholic supports the nuns when they do good works, and will continue to at least support them financially, should the nuns elect to leave the Catholic church. The nuns, of course, know their own situation best, and must make their own decision about what is in their best interests. I know that I, personally, would rather contribute money to a group of women trying
to follow the teachings of Jesus than a politician. They should remember that Jesus was not always humble, or perhaps it is better to say that he was humble before God, not the government and institutions of man. At the Vatican, and indeed the Catholic church, in fact any Christian church are 100% man made. Remember too that the disciple Mary was his most beloved.
 
 
+17 # tjkenny13 2012-07-29 14:36
The OUTRIGHT ATTACK on Women v a v the elimination out of the order of the Mass tells ALL about the Vatican's value of the World's Women Population. Over and over Jesus used women as points of value.
At the well, at his Resurrection, at His Birth, in his agony, and with his pal Mary Magdalene. Shame on us for kicking women around. It's all the value of Bishops who could not shepherd goats let alone LAMBS!!
 
 
+21 # midwegian 2012-07-29 15:38
Thanks for publishing this article and others like it, RSN!! These brave women are pushing open the Catholic Church's doors to a future filled with compassion. They have the courage to take on in the hard work needed to renew hope in this world. I don't think the patriarchy can stop them.
 
 
+15 # cynnibunny 2012-07-29 16:42
While I have no love for or loyalty to the current Pope, I do believe that the evolving history of how the Catholic Church, the largest in the West, deals with democratic pressures - such as the rights of women and the inevitable acceptance of gay and lesbian marriages - has great meaning politically for our society. If the Catholic Church assumes a dogmatic approach to leadership, then it will model the colonialist approach to dissent. Such actions fit into our society very well: the coordinated and extremist attacks on the Occupy Wall Street protesters, and the seemingly non-stop attacks in the media against civil protections of women and minorities . Nevertheless, the silence of the American public has encouraged these encroachments.
 
 
+23 # jerryball 2012-07-29 16:53
They're doing more than rebuking nuns, they're driving them out. I had two elderly nuns that lived down the street here in San Francisco. Their nunnery in San Antonio burned down so the order worked hard and accrued $1 million in donations to rebuild. In the meantime, the church sold their land and gave it to the priests. The $1 million disappeared to who knows where? The sisters ready to retire had to move to the middle of nowhere in a hovel in Kansas. It seems the thief that died with Jesus was part of the Church.
 
 
+7 # socrates2 2012-07-29 18:11
Economist John K. Galbraith wrote a simple truth, "Most of us, whether we admit or not, live with a linear view of history. We think that, over a long enough span of time, men learn, things improve." Neither is true. Every man in every generation is born an illiterate, unskilled barbarian.
To compensate for the fact that all PERSONALLY accumulated cultural knowledge and personal experience (or even "virtue") dies with each individual and we have no wish to re-invent the wheel, men create bureaucracies with their hierarchies to continue along "necessary" work (schools, armies, banks, farms, factories, etc).
These man-made "tools" preserve certain necessary social functions. That way if an individual or group with specialized skills or problem-solving knowledge dies, the bureaucratized organization can continue their tasks. Humans join such bureaucracies to perform within them, piecemeal, certain actions that have the overall effect of repeating their founder's work. And so on down the centuries.
In this way, a recurring social problem has a bureaucracy that deals with it.
So, one needs ask oneself, "what problem was the church, a man-made tool, designed to solve?" The second, what is the function of nuns within this bureaucracy? Perhaps one or both have out-lived their usefulness. The rest is dogma. Moving on.
 
 
+11 # isafakir 2012-07-29 18:49
no the church should not ever speak with one voice but with every one's voice.
 
 
+17 # Texas Aggie 2012-07-29 18:54
The bishops need to reevaluate their position for their own good and continued existence. As several people have pointed out, the nuns' position has overwhelming support and if the bishops continue to push the church in a different direction that denies the needs that the nuns are filling, then people will not decide, "Oh, I guess I ought to ignore the social problems all around me."

What people will decide is that the social problems are real and need to be addressed. If the church agrees with them, then religion will be retained as the base for that decision, but if religion fights against that feeling, then religion will be abandoned as irrelevant. What the bishops are doing is providing a vast armory of munitions for people who say that religion is NOT the basis for morality. The bishops need to think about that.
 
 
+11 # Cappucino 2012-07-29 21:41
I really have nothing left that's good to say about the Catholic Church. It makes me very sad, because I never thought it would come to this. But the bad decisions just never end: covering up abuse and protecting abusers at the expense of children, trying to stop stem cell research that could save hundreds of millions of people, and now this. I have lost all respect for the church I once loved.
 
 
+6 # JetpackAngel 2012-07-29 23:59
When you start freaking out about your followers disengaging from the hive-mind, then it's not about faith anymore. It's about you smacking the ruler menacingly against your palm because someone disagreed with you. Because I thought the only guy they were supposed to answer to was God, and the clergy was there for logistics, paperwork, and of course, preaching.

Or maybe I'm just weird when I say, "Hey, whatever gives you peace and purpose, go for it, just try not to hurt anybody."


/"The church must speak with one voice,"/, why? So your peons won't get confused, or because you said so? I look at an unchanging doctrine the same way I look at some royal pedigrees: sure, it's impressive in a way, but becomes less so when the inbreeding turns all future progeny into idiots.

/"We all know that the fundamental tactic of the enemy is to show a church divided."/
And which enemy would that be?
 
 
+11 # granny6 2012-07-30 04:00
I am not Catholic, my father would not let us be raised as one. But, I do admire nuns.
They seem to have a certain serenity about them and a great sense of humor. I also do not like the present pope. I see evil in him, and wonder how he was chosen. Go Nuns!
 
 
+17 # ilenewells 2012-07-30 06:34
Rise Up! Oh Sisters! Rejoice that you are among friends who support your work with the poor, homeless, and the rejected. You do the real work of Jesus and, like Jesus, are rebuked by the "priests". You should be proud of this!

I am a Sister of Perpetual Determination and I am Perpetually Determined to live a life, not governed by the men of the "Church", but governed by my own concience based on the true teachings of Jesus.
 
 
+7 # genierae 2012-07-30 07:24
Amen!!
 
 
+6 # tswhiskers 2012-07-30 13:16
The Roman Catholic Church of history seems to me to have had little time for the poor and suffering, you know, the people Jesus talked about in The Sermon on the Mount. The Church cared about power and politics and saw the common man only when he seriously questioned the more worldly aspects of the Church e.g. Luther, Calvin and other reformers. Many good people died and many reluctantly left the Church. In spite of a history of corruption and its insistence of absolute obedience to its teachings the Church has survived to the present day remarkably intact. I now see a Church basically unchanged in its CYA practices and its hypocrisy from the days of its former glory, thanks to vast improvements in education and communications. Ladies, remember that change is life and traditions and habits of power can be a form of death. Thank you for your courage and willingness to live the life that Jesus taught. May you be a source of strength and growth within the Church, thus helping it to survive revitalized and renewed in the 21st century.
 
 
+10 # get real 2012-07-30 15:29
Why doesn't the Church clean up the mess with the priest molesting little boys, and leave the nuns alone? I've never heard of a nun having sex with a child.
Let's do switch imagination.... the priest take care of the sick, poor, and immigrants (like Jesus did)leave little boys alone AND the nuns take over the Vatican.....I bet they would throw aside all those robes and forget kissing the ring, they would be about the work. Just saying.....
 
 
+6 # williamgaia 2012-07-31 02:29
How can any intelligent person give loyalty to an institution that decreed in 1852, "Whosoever advocates the abolition of slavery is guilty of sedition."
-- A unanimous decree by American Bishops meeting in Baltimore in their annual convention.
 
 
+5 # CL38 2012-08-01 08:27
When a male hierarchy attempts to control, dominate and silence women, it's flat-out oppression.

I listened to a NPR discussion between a nun from this group and a bishop. He continually ignored, bypassed and re-framed in ways favorable to catholic mumbo jumbo, her excellent comments discussing the issues.

I hope this group continues the fight so we can see the lengths that the catholic hierarchy will go, to suppress women even today. I also hope they form a new group which the vatican can't control and continue to raise these important issues.
 
 
+1 # la jardinera 2012-08-02 11:41
It is high time the prelates and poohbahs of the church bow to a higher morality -- the morality of ensuring that there will be a human race a hundred or two years into the future, with a world intact and repairing itself from the great excesses of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries. The only way to ensure the survival of the human race is to agree that we must be willing to voluntarily reduce our populations globally by 50% by the year 2200. In order to do this, they must stop their ancient loyalties to the past and devise a way to honor and enshrine abortion, birth control, and childless but sexual unions of all kinds.
 
 
0 # Johnny 2012-08-13 11:13
Nothing is new. Remember Hypatia.
 

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