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Yarrow writes: "Life starts earliest in Arizona, which now defines gestational age as beginning on the first day of a woman's last period, rather than at fertilization. In practice, that means the state has banned abortions after about 18 weeks..."

File photo, transvaginal ultrasound. (photo: Josh Westrich/Corbis)
File photo, transvaginal ultrasound. (photo: Josh Westrich/Corbis)



Jan Brewer Signs Absurd New Arizona Abortion Law

By Allison Yarrow, The Daily Beast

13 April 12

 

The bill defines gestational age as 'calculated from the first day of the last menstrual period of the pregnant woman,' which would put the beginning of a pregnancy at two weeks prior to conception. (However, some women, do not ovulate on cue as such, so ovulation will vary.) The bill therefore blanketly bans abortion after 18 weeks and includes no exceptions if the fetus is found to have a life-threatening condition. 18 weeks is too early to conduct many medical tests which would detect abnormalities. This new law will force some women to carry an abnormal pregnancy to term, give birth to critically ill babies and watch them die within hours. If these children survive, health severely compromised, some in a semi-vegetative state, they will need life-long care. Who will pay for that? - CW/RSN

 

espite its name, critics derided the Women’s Health and Safety Act that Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed into law today as cruel, dangerous, and hostile to women—likely to deter many Arizona women from seeking an abortion, and to distress those who nonetheless go through with one.

Life starts earliest in Arizona, which now defines gestational age as beginning on the first day of a woman’s last period, rather than at fertilization. In practice, that means the state has banned abortions after about 18 weeks (20 weeks from the last menstruation) except in the case of medical emergencies. While that provision has been much discussed, abortions after that point account for only about 1 percent of the procedures currently performed.

The stipulation likely to be most widely felt is what experts are calling an effective shutdown of medication abortions. These nonsurgical abortions are usually performed within the first nine weeks of pregnancy, and account for between 17 and 20 percent of all abortions, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive-rights advocacy group. While women often take the pills at clinics and in their homes, the bill now mandates that a medical provider must have hospital privileges within 30 miles of where the procedure takes place. Many times clinics or homes are not within 30 miles of hospitals, and the distance prevents providers from other cities or even states from caring for women, says Elizabeth Nash of the Guttmacher Institute. Another factor that could contribute to what Nash called a "shutdown" of medication abortions is that the law requires abortion pills to be administered using outdated protocols, confusing providers and obscuring proper use of the drugs.

While it becomes the seventh state to pass such legislation in the past two years, many Arizonans believe theirs is the most restrictive and sinister because of the degree to which it will legislate health care, thwart evidence-based medicine, and shame women. One in three women will have an abortion before age 45 according to Guttmacher, and more than half of those women already have a child.

The law "disregards women’s health in a way I’ve never seen before," said Center for Reproductive Rights’ state advocacy counsel, Jordan Goldberg. "The women of Arizona can’t access medical treatment that other women can."

Goldberg said her group is meticulously reviewing the law to consider a possible suit on behalf of client providers.

"This legislation is consistent with my strong track record of supporting common sense measures to protect the health of women and safeguard our most vulnerable population–the unborn," Gov. Brewer said in a statement.

Other parts of the law includes education in public schools prioritizing birth and adoption, signs throughout health-care facilities warning against abortion "coercion," and an order for the state health department to create and maintain a website touting alternatives to abortion and displaying images of fetuses. Also required is abortion counseling for women aiming to abort pregnancies due to fetal abnormalities, and if the abnormality is certain to be fatal, the counseling incorporates perinatal hospice information before ending the pregnancy. It reaffirms existing barriers to access, like the requirement of a notarized parental consent form for minors and a mandatory ultrasound screening within 24 hours of having an abortion.

State Rep. Kimberly Yee, the sponsor of the House bill, which passed Monday, said she acted with her constituents in mind, adding that many of them feel it "doesn’t go far enough."

The bill requires abortion counseling for women aiming to abort pregnancies due to fetal abnormalities.

"In 2010 when I campaigned and knocked on doors the first thing people asked me was, ‘Where do you stand on life?’" said the 10th District representative, a former aide to then-California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Yee said she championed the legislation because "I have to do what the majority of Arizona has asked me to do."

The fingerprints of policy group Americans United for Life are all over much of the bill’s language, according to Nash. She says the legislation is a mishmash of parts of other states’ bills, and predicted that still other conservative states looking to restrict and discourage abortions will now look to Arizona’s bill as model legislation.

"The point is to make it so difficult to provide abortions that no one will do it," said Nash. "Arizona likes to thumb their nose at women. They take that as a badge of honor."

"This is the most draconian right-wing legislature I’ve ever seen, and they are hand-in-hand the governor who is in the same camp," said former Planned Parenthood national president and part-time Arizonan Gloria Feldt. "It was as bad when Napalitano was there, but she was always a step ahead of them. She had an initiative and they danced to her tune."

Brewer, a Republican, was elected after Democratic Governor Janet Napolitano left her office to become President Obama’s secretary of Homeland Security. On its website, the AUL credits that move with their legislative success: "With the appointment of Janet Napolitano as Secretary of Homeland Security, the Arizona legislature was finally able to capitalize on an opportunity to enact life-affirming legislation without fear of unwarranted veto."

The law’s tenets will take effect within 90 days. North Dakota and Oklahoma courts are litigating challenges to similar laws in those states limiting medication abortion.

 

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+172 # cardnut 2012-04-13 08:46
it boggles the mind that the Republican Party, the party that has been and is always for limited government, wants to have government in every aspect of your life if you do not think the way they do.
 
 
+94 # scottie1967 2012-04-13 10:41
cardnut,

The GOP will always say they want limited govt but what they really want is limited in how to run a business and a very very large govt in how you live your life.
 
 
+83 # NanFan 2012-04-13 11:26
Vote these Republiscum OUT! They do not care about people; they care only about pushing their control of everything. They want more children, no matter what condition, but they're the very same Republicans who are trying to take away any programs to help impoverished families, women, and children.

They are like two-headed serpents, two contradictory ideologies in one massive writhing body of hatred toward women, and they must be stopped.

Anyone out there who remembers the days before the legalization of abortion, get out and vote these GOP nut cases OUT!

N.
 
 
+22 # Virginia 2012-04-13 20:58
If you are going to have sex and don't want children - then ya better keep a supply of the after sex pill on hand in AZ. You can probably buy 'em on the black market in Mexico... Otherwise, it's back to the coat hangers ladies. Absurd isn't the correct word. Psychotic is more like it.
 
 
+6 # Rita Walpole Ague 2012-04-15 06:26
POLICE STATE AIN'T GREAT - whether it be a police state that brutalizes and tortures justice and peace demonstrators such as the Occupy Wall Streeters (it's nothing short of a miracle that the 'police state' cops haven't killed folks with their 'the 99% ain't nothing but our slaves' m.o.), or a police state that dictates extremely early abortion only, thereby ruling out doctor advised abortions after first tri-mester problems that are based on condition(s) that will cause pending demise of the fetus and are life threatening to the mother.

But then, Jan Brewer is just one more of the G.O.P. (and, sadly, Dem.) bought out politicians who trash the 99%, showing no regret for civil/humane rights, including rule of law, being thrown into the toilet, then flusing the toilet by signing onto this law and soooo much more.

Time for Revolution II - lots to do to...

UNDO THE COUP!
 
 
+107 # juliajayne 2012-04-13 09:07
A show of hands...anyone here think that Kimberly Yee's constituents asked her that question as a first priority? And did they also ask if you support wars where grown people are maimed and killed?

Yeah, didn't think so.
 
 
+130 # AMLLLLL 2012-04-13 09:10
This is a far cry from the belief that 'the soul enters the fetus at half-term', promulgated by the Catholic Church, who would not baptize a miscarriage before half-term, since the soul was not yet present. Then came birth control and abortion access and poof! Arbitrary change of position led by the church. Control of women is the true bottom line here.
 
 
+20 # Caballero69 2012-04-14 05:53
AMLLLLL,

You are absolutely right!

"Control of women is the true bottom line here."

The 13th Amendment prohibits slavery or involuntary servitude except as punishment for a crime. What is the crime these laws punish? Could it be womanhood? Could it be pregnancy?

The Wingers love to say, "pregnancy is not a disease." They sure seem to think it is a culpable offense, whether it be a sin or a crime.

Thanks for telling it like it truly is!
 
 
+10 # Caballero69 2012-04-14 06:03
The 14th Amendment states "All persons born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction of its laws are citizens of the United States and of the State in which they reside."

This law extends some variety of rights to non-citizens as nobody is born when a menstrual period ends. It takes away rights from persons obviously born because nobody menstruates if they are unborn.

So much for the Wingers love and loyalty to the Constitution. They need to learn to use it as something other than a prop and an excuse.
 
 
+12 # Lolanne 2012-04-14 11:45
Quoting AMLLLLL:
This is a far cry from the belief that 'the soul enters the fetus at half-term', promulgated by the Catholic Church, who would not baptize a miscarriage before half-term, since the soul was not yet present. Then came birth control and abortion access and poof! Arbitrary change of position led by the church. Control of women is the true bottom line here.


"CONTROL" is the bottom line. Of women, yes, but plain and simple, control of everything and everyone. These people are playing God! Only I suspect they aren't playing -- they really seem to believe they ARE God, or how could they so arbitrarily claim they can legislate when life starts????
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 10:34
It proves is that there is no God, Man has been using the premise to control people from the beginning
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 10:32
Catholics are not the only ones doing this...West has a lot of Cults who will steal children, and probably stone them for using birth control....get some facts on religions as a whole, DUH
 
 
+112 # lotuslover 2012-04-13 09:11
And if the US Senate goes ovre to the GOP and Obama loses his re-election bid, oh my. Won't all the zealots have a field day? Just look at the states where that happened in 2010. Be afraid, be very afraid! The Taliban are a bunch of wimps compared to the Cristian Right who are now poised to take us all somewhere, whether we want to go there or not.
 
 
+20 # jamal49 2012-04-14 01:58
Here's a suggestion (a very SERIOUS suggestion): if your scenario plays out come 11/2012, it may be a sensible thing to have a passport at hand. A Congress dominated by republicons and a White House with a conservative, republicon president is a very real possibility. America may not be a very nice place to live in for the next 20 to 30 years or so it this happens.
 
 
+3 # RMDC 2012-04-15 04:03
jamal -- for many people, it is not a very nice place to live now. It just gets worse all the time. The nation has moved steadily to the right wing. It does not matter if there is a faux-liberal in the whore house like Clinton or Obama. They do the work of the right wingers.

Leaving the US is a good idea. But what country will take us? Will we be illegal immigrants. I've heard that Mexico is really tired of United staters fleeing to Mexico.
 
 
+119 # feloneouscat 2012-04-13 10:02
What this law says:

1. It is a fetus before it is conceived.
2. You can't have an abortion before it is conceived.
3. You start calculation gestational age before it even begins to gestate. This is like timing how long a cake should cook before you even buy the ingredients.
4. The law takes effect in 90 days. Is that 90 days from when she signs it or 90 days when she thought about signing it?
 
 
+30 # James38 2012-04-13 12:52
It gets even more confusing when you ask if anything she does qualifies as "thought".

I don't think blind obedience and lemming-like following of the dictates of Propaganda can be called "thought".

It is more akin to the directionless shambling of a zombie. She looks sort of human, but if you watch carefully, listen closely, you can hear the clicking and whirring of automatic machinery. Aha, a Republibot!
 
 
+37 # Cassandra2012 2012-04-13 14:05
OK, does this mean every sperm is a person too? So if a guy 'spills his seed' (the quaint old term for it) does he go to jail??? Should be the case --- what's good for the goose, is good for the gander!
 
 
+17 # AMLLLLL 2012-04-13 17:37
See Colbert Report, Apr. 12. Some woman made an adendum that outlaws male masterbation; every sperm is sacred.
 
 
+17 # jamal49 2012-04-14 01:56
Um, don't laugh at this question. The Eagle Forum, The Heritage Foundation, the ACLJ and other right-wing, legal/policy "think tanks" have position papers that suggest that laws punishing men for "empty ejaculation" (i.e. any ejaculation that does not impregnate a women) can, and should, be implemented. This is a "war" on the very idea of consenting adults choosing to have sex with one another outside the confines of legally-sanctio ned, "christian" marriage. As for Mad Jan Brewer and the new AZ law, its vagueness should earn it a trip to the SCOTUS. However, as the legal and judicial climate in this country continues to veer ever more rightward, it is no longer a guarantee that such a state law might be overturned.
 
 
+18 # lorenbliss 2012-04-14 10:14
Because SCOTUS has become SCROTUS (the Robber Court that has us all by our genitals), odds are Chief Justice Robber and his fellow despots would uphold the Arizona law.

All of this is part of the imposition of theocracy.

Next step -- you read it here first -- will be laws requiring prayer services before and after every abortion. The services will be "non-denominati onal" to win SCROTUS approval, but Christian in every way, right down to its misogynistic intent.
 
 
+7 # feloneouscat 2012-04-14 15:32
Quoting lorenbliss:
... odds are Chief Justice Robber and his fellow despots would uphold the Arizona law.


It would be amusing to see them try. Arguing that it is conceived before it is conceived is a ridiculous argument. If indeed the Roberts court holds that something exists prior to existing then we have entered a realm where the very notion of precedence doesn't matter.
 
 
+5 # lorenbliss 2012-04-15 12:03
Actually we entered that realm -- the realm in which despotism nullifies the laws of physics -- with the Warren Report's so-called "Magic Bullet" theory.

Moreover, knowing the Bible-thumpers' alleged minds (the result of my involuntary exile in the South), I can easily imagine the theological argument behind the doctrine of preconception pregnancy. It's an extension of predestination, the belief the all-seeing, all-knowing god of Christianity, Islam and Judaism knows the fate of every soul – whether it is bound for heaven or hell – before that soul exists.

Applied to human reproduction, it means this god knows of the pregnancy before it happens. The Bible-thump argument goes something like this:

“The soul and body of the child are real in the mind of God even before conception. Because God is eternal, anything in His mind is everlasting, man too before the Fall. But Adam failed to discipline his wife. Eve sinned; God punished man, forcing him to prove his worthiness for eternal life. Thus birth, life and death. Hence too the significance of a woman's last menses before pregnancy. Its cleansing of the womb marks the beginning of conception, by which God's Plan achieves fulfillment."

Implicit is the doctrine all wombs are owned by god, managed by man as god's overseer.

Pythonesque? Indeed – but terrifyingly true.

And those of us who dare criticize?

“A Witch! A Witch!”
 
 
0 # feloneouscat 2012-04-16 15:22
I believe what you are referring to is called "entanglement".

Who knew there was such a thing as Quantum Pregnancy?
 
 
+1 # MoonBeamWatcher 2012-04-15 19:12
WRONG . . . us guys would like to THINK we provide seed when 'WE" in fact only provide the fertilizer.
 
 
+6 # AMLLLLL 2012-04-13 17:38
This could take all the fun out of sex....
 
 
+4 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 10:43
It is supposed to...do you really think any of these GOP/TP are having fun with their spouses. Most married for money, position...ther e is no love in these marriages...the y are almost arranged.
They are jealous of people who actually have good marriages and sex, good sex without kids.
Same with the Zealots who are allowed to beat their spouses (I mean more than one as well as one). Gotta keep them in line, if they do not conceive they must be beaten or gotten rid of. Whack jobs...that is what the Bible is stories of whackos in Old Testament. No one in this day and age even has a concept of Jesus.
Be scared that these Zealots are breeding. They make Manson and Jones look like normal people.
 
 
+2 # RMDC 2012-04-15 04:05
There must be something in the water in Arizona. Or the sun. The people there are insane. They've got Joe Arpaio. What an asshole that guy is. And they keep passing lunatic laws like this one. God I'm glad I've never been to Arizona. I'd drive 1000 miles just to get around that shit hole.
 
 
+61 # wwway 2012-04-13 10:06
I was wondering when law makers would go this far. The American voters lost their nerve in 2010 and gave Republicans a mandate for this type of assult on women as well as voter rights.
Democracy is a process that ensures the people get the government they deserve.
 
 
+8 # CTPatriot 2012-04-14 02:15
You can thank the Democrats for being such a weak alternative and so far removed from the promises of hope and change made in 2008 for that. American voters lost the inspiration for good reason. We no longer have 2 distinct political parties, but rather 2 wings of one party - the corporate party.

Sure Republicans are worse. That's not saying much, sadly.
 
 
+1 # b_niles57 2012-04-16 09:55
Thanks CTPatriot- We Dems are too blind/forgiving on this issue. When will Obama and the DNC be held accountable for the travesty that was the 2010 election? The ramifications of their incompetence and lack of a national election plan will be felt by us (mostly the women, I fear)for years and years to come. In the meantime, does anyone sense a coherent Dem approach to the upcoming congressional (state/national ) elections? I sure don't. Personally, I would gladly sacrifice Obama's re-election to win back the states and congress. That's where our focus needs to be! Until then, the Reps will continue to ravage and salt the earth!
 
 
+67 # GeeRob 2012-04-13 10:09
"Who will pay for that?"
Not the state of Arizona.
Not the Republicans.
Pro-birth is not pro-life.
If this bill doesn't get the 3rd party leaners to change their minds, I don't hold out much hope for our country.
 
 
-15 # John Locke 2012-04-13 13:03
GeeRob maybe its time you gave up and left then...What you are fighting you are bringing on your self. A third party was the only real option and now for this election its too late...
 
 
+15 # GeeRob 2012-04-13 18:54
Womens rights are my bottom line. You appear to believe they are a distraction.
I'm not giving up and I'm not leaving.
 
 
-7 # CTPatriot 2012-04-14 02:21
Well, at least with the Democrats women will have their rights, even if they and their families went bankrupt and had their home foreclosed on. Surprise - income inequality got even worse under Obama than it did under Bush.

And I'm sure the next Republican president will thank our constitutional scholar of a president for all those wonderful bill of rights shedding tools of repression, like the NDAA.

Unfortunately, the way things work in our corportocracy, third parties don't stand a chance, so we are stuck with evil and lesser evil.
 
 
+3 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 10:47
The inequality DUH got worse thanks to the People United allowing Corporations like Walmart to make women slaves.
Go back try to get an education
We do not have to be stuck with anything if everyone here and similar blogs actually did something.
 
 
+14 # lorenbliss 2012-04-14 13:12
As you imply, women's rights are THE wellspring issue. There are at least three reasons why:

(1)-Probably our species' first experience of oppression was the destruction of the woman-centered civilizations and tribal societies that were our first social organizations: see http://lorenbliss.typepad.com/loren-bliss-outside-agitators-notebook/2012/04/womens-reproductive-rights-are-the-source-of-all-other-freedoms.html.

(2)-Democracy is invalidated any time one or more specific groups within its polity are dis-empowered; dis-empowerment of one jeopardizes all others.

(3)-There are two purposes behind today's war against women. One is misogyny, a core value in Abrahamic religion (Judaism, Christianity, Islam). Hence the dis-empowerment of women is a primary objective in the One Percent's campaign to impose zero-tolerance theocracy to protect capitalist governance – absolute power and unlimited profit for the plutocrats, merciless subjugation and genocidal poverty for all the rest of us, with “old time religion” as the brain-police opiate. Two is that in today's United States, there is no movement better organized than the Women's Movement. Hence the One Percenters reason, correctly, that if they can defeat the Women's Movement, they can defeat any other manifestation of our 99 Percent values.

Which is why, when women's rights are attacked, it's actually an attack against all of us regardless of our gender.
 
 
+4 # GeeRob 2012-04-14 15:43
Well said. Thank you.
 
 
+7 # Caballero69 2012-04-15 05:26
#lorenbliss

I say Hear! Hear!

Every American should remember - if any American's rights are attacked, every American's rights are at risk. This applies across age, race, gender, ethnic, color, creed, and sexual orientation divides. It applies in regard to the right to vote, the right to control one's body, the right to marry, and any other right worthy of the name.

We have for too long and too often failed to live up to the true meaning of the American Creed, but this a time that tries our souls once again. Are we the people and the nation we have long boasted of being?

In 2012, we have another chance to answer this in the affirmative and prove it.

If we blow this opportunity, we will no longer be living in the American Constitutional Republic we pledged to in elementary school.
 
 
+3 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 10:49
Excellently written, nice when intelligence is used
 
 
+4 # Cassandra2012 2012-04-15 12:30
Yes, Women's rights are Civil Rights!!
 
 
+36 # dick 2012-04-13 10:10
Are Arizona Mormons working with Born Over & Over Agains on this?
 
 
+12 # jamal49 2012-04-14 02:00
YES! YES! YES! YES! (And, don't forget the Catholic Church)
 
 
+108 # HooverBush 2012-04-13 10:12
Doesn't this mean that a girl could be two weeks pregnant while still being a Virgin?

Does she then change her name to Mary???
 
 
+71 # harksong 2012-04-13 10:22
Jan Brewer gutted the State funded organ donor program of a mere one million dollars. She left untouched a State funded multi million dollar rehad of a sports stadium. After she gutted the donor program two young men, both on the list one for a liver and one for a heart, both fathers and husbands, DIED as they could not get the transplants they needed. She save one million for the sports stadium and now she signs into law a bill defining conception as beginning during ovulation. She allowed two husbands and fathers to DIE. And she signs a bill like this.
 
 
+47 # cherylpetro 2012-04-13 12:47
Yeah, letting people die, is the Republican way of "respecting" life! But if you are a fetus; you are home free...just don't ever leave the womb!
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 10:58
Yes because you are not wanted once you are two years old or older. Only babies are wanted by these hypocrites.
 
 
+47 # cherylpetro 2012-04-13 12:51
Republicans love war, the death penalty, letting those uninsured die, yet they protect a fetus before it is even a twinkle; does this makes sense to ANYONE?
 
 
+28 # Cassandra2012 2012-04-13 14:07
The 'so-called Christian' Taliban?
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 11:01
Not so called...Taliba n of Religious Rightwing Cults. Their is no Christ in these Faiths.
 
 
+4 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 11:01
They do not protect the fetus, their is no health care, no jobs, no good economically safe food, no clean water, no safe pharmaceuticals . So just how do they protect fetus? They take homes away from families, raise taxes. They close schools, close up fire departments, and police. they closed Mills, stores So they protect fetus how?
 
 
+1 # Anarchist 23 2012-04-16 11:48
Quoting cherylpetro:
Republicans love war, the death penalty, letting those uninsured die, yet they protect a fetus before it is even a twinkle; does this makes sense to ANYONE?


Actually yes. It should be plain by now that the Rethugs serve the Devil, known to the Cathars (who did practice birth control-being dualists who believed this material realm was that of the Devil or Demi-urge) as Rex Mundi-'King of the World' who wanted flesh bodies upon this earth which he could torment. The Rethugs certainly seem to have as their motto 'The Greatest Evil For The Greatest Number' and if you really look-and see-on their Official Republican Elephant Logo-the five pointed stars are upside down. Makes as much sense as anything else-denying that conscious Evil and the application thereof does not exist is stupid, given the current state of events.
 
 
+11 # Regina 2012-04-13 14:57
That is truly "pro-life" --- HA!
 
 
+14 # Byronator 2012-04-13 21:11
Do Republicans rot in hell BEFORE they die or after? Because we're seeing a lot of zombie soul rotters in office these days.
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 11:04
Do clones rot? They make sure our lives are living hell as they do not believe the Lord would judge them as Evil...
But again is their a Lord? Or was this a muse to control the masses as they are doing again in the USA it seems.
I wonder if other faiths in other Countries are seeing this as their faith or seeing this anti christ movement for what it is.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 10:58
She is a W e. she is what would have burned at the stake.
She is a Murderer...and perhaps some good news paper people should bring that Donor mismanagement up, get press on it.
I do not know what the Creators do with clones, hopefully if they recycle, they turn the heat up a bit more to get a cleaner material back on the market.
 
 
+70 # bacco 2012-04-13 10:27
Jan Brewer had the nerve to use the term "common sense" in referring to her actions. No, governor, common sense is what the voters should excercise when they throw you out of office.
 
 
+41 # DLT888 2012-04-13 10:30
Jan Brewer is very mentally ill. I've seen her giving a speech and then being braindead when anyone had any questions and looking like her brain took a trip to the moon. All these people in the Repukican party and even many who falsely call themselves Democrats are mentally ill. We need to remove the mentally ill from politics and treat them for their illnesses. Like Hitler, too many sociopaths are in power right now and that's why we have this craziness.
 
 
+5 # AMLLLLL 2012-04-13 17:40
Brewer hasn't replicated herself, has she?....
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 11:05
Has she been cloned and brainwashed? Not an excuse for her but I do believe that with what I hear around the USA their is a Mentalist at work and not for the USA or anyone's good
 
 
+41 # Barbara K 2012-04-13 10:31
That woman is crazy as a loon. Wonder why they haven't hauled her away yet. The entire Republican race have become totally nuts.

VOTE STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC at all levels

even the states are being assaulted by the nuts on the loose, and our future is at stake.
 
 
-19 # Colleen Clark 2012-04-13 10:35
Gestational age has always been counted from the date of the last menstrual period. Everybody - i.e. scientists, obstetricians etc etc etc - knows that conception can't occur before ovulation which happens no earlier than 7-10 days from the previous menstrual period. But this is the convention. Anyone can look it up. So
So the 20 weeks limit on abortions is NOT changed by the AZ law. I don't mean to dismiss the ill will toward women and reproductive life, but the AZ legislature is as ignorant as everyone else about how "gestational age" is calculated.
 
 
+11 # Glen 2012-04-13 14:07
You are right, Colleen. It is a mystery why any of this is happening. But, I cannot charge any of these legislators with ignorance. There is a plan, but we'll have to guess what that is. Is it divide and conquer? Is it a means of manipulating votes?

Everybody needs to check with Planned Parenthood relative to what can happen when medical abortion is restricted or outlawed at any point in a pregnancy.
 
 
+28 # Regina 2012-04-13 14:59
It's a means of punishing women for being women, an age-old obsession in almost every culture.
 
 
+14 # Sophie 2012-04-13 18:33
Why do you keep repeating the same mantra--I believe I have seen this exact same comment on other websites as well, including when you repeated the same thing on the RSN story re BEFORE Brewer signed this crap.
"So the 20 weeks limit on abortions is NOT changed by the AZ law."
Yes, it IS changed for women who have pre-natal testing, affectively making it nearly impossible to have an abortion if amniocentesis or other testing determines if the fetus has any abnormalities or not. Testing of this nature takes a certain amount of time. Did you bother to read the article?
This surpasses the anti-abortion legislation that has passed in other states-from the 20 week definition to 18 weeks. So Arizona has the most anti-abortion, anti-woman legislation at this moment--unless they manage to pass "personhood," legislation--wh ich I'm sure is coming.
"I don't mean to dismiss the ill will toward women and reproductive life,"

Yes, that is exactly what you are doing.
 
 
+10 # Glen 2012-04-14 05:01
All Colleen is doing is explaining how pregnancy has always been calculated. And she is not excusing Arizona's lawmakers for this, or insulting women.

It is political and well planned throughout the country. Women will find a way to fight back, believe me. Every intelligent adult will assist in that fight.
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 11:18
It is not alway calculated at all. Doctors are far less stupid today if they are a good doctor to calculate anything.

We will fight back however, imagine women who do not know this is not true, who are being told so much bs daily. Then we hear that this is a fact. it is not a fact every woman is different, every body, cycle is different and that is a Fact, Jack
 
 
+13 # rockieball 2012-04-14 06:16
What next a law saying birth begins at puberty and that masturbation is a form of abortion and against the law.
"What are ya in for kid?"
"Beating my meat."
How'd they catch you?"
"The Republicon Kleenex patrol caught me buying 3 boxes."
 
 
+41 # jooberdoober 2012-04-13 10:35
Be sure to drop off all of the sick, deformed babies on Jan Brewer's doorstep. I'm sure the old witch will find something to do with them. Probably eat them.
 
 
+24 # cordleycoit 2012-04-13 10:40
More madness from the Sticker Patch. Arizona is awaiting being renamed GlennBeckistan by the current Gov. Brewer is another interesting case in more rational states she would be under the loving care of Social Services but Arizona celebrates its crazies by making them Governor. Looks like the far rights strange ideas about physiology. Take care of Republican MDs.
 
 
0 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 11:22
I would want to see their degrees, most mail order
 
 
+56 # deejaycee 2012-04-13 10:44
This is sheer insanity. The religious (?) right have been waiting for a chance to overturn Roe vs. Wade and are taking the back door approach to making abortion impossible. In Arizona they have gone off the rails and this law is obscene.

As an 86 year old woman living in Arizona and I am dismayed at the direction that the deranged right wing legislators have taken my state. It is beyond crazy.
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 11:23
Are they clones?

I do not understand how you all vote for them. I realize many do not, but I hope you are sending this out to those who think it is okay and this is truthful.

Very Scary
 
 
+35 # Texan 4 Peace 2012-04-13 10:44
So "gestation" begins two weeks before conception? Does Jan Brewer even understand how ovulation & conception work?
Just wait -- soon they will prosecuting pre-pregnant women for "child abuse" if they used drugs or participated in dangerous work activities during that 2-week window. There are already women sitting in jail in Mississippi for this sort of "fetus abuse."
 
 
+22 # Texan 4 Peace 2012-04-13 10:45
Sane Arizonans, please feel free to move to Texas. Things aren't that much better here, but we could use your energy.
 
 
+37 # Regina 2012-04-13 10:59
Who in blazes needs biology? We've got morals!!! Who needs science ejacation? We've got the Bible!!! Who needs sanity? We've got Republicans!!!
 
 
+16 # Dave_s Not Here 2012-04-13 11:03
Why does any decent, right-thinking person want to live in Arizona? There are other nearby states which have the same climate and aren't being run by clinically insane autocrats.

If people remain there of their own free will then they are consenting to be governed by those maniacs and their complaints are invalid.
 
 
+9 # Regina 2012-04-13 15:02
They could try to elect candidates other than clinically insane autocrats -- although the autocrats "arrange" voting rights and access.
 
 
+11 # Sophie 2012-04-13 18:38
Where are all the women/men/child ren supposed to move to from all of the OTHER anti-choice states? AZ may be the worst at the moment--37 states and counting have passed anti-reproducti ve rights legislation--fr om contraception to abortion rights. Everyone cannot live in California--whi ch gets an A+ from NARAL. The SCOTUS is waiting for that one case--so they can overturn Roe.
 
 
+29 # orson 2012-04-13 11:03
"Other than telling us how to live, think, marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our children and, now, die, I think the Neo Conservative Republicans spawned by Ronald Reagan and the evangelical whack jobs have done a fine job of getting government out of our bedrooms and our personal lives."
 
 
+20 # Cassandra2012 2012-04-13 14:10
These are not 'conservatives' -- they are right wing radical extremists. Crafty but not too bright.
 
 
+32 # Pancho 2012-04-13 11:15
These laws are hardly an accident.

The fundy preachers get their flocks together to vote in low-turnout primaries and get the nuttiest candidates. Then they get them out for the general elections. They should lose their 501(c)3 tax exemptions for their political lilicit activity, but no one is going to hold them to the law at the risk of being accused of being atheists or some such nonsense.
 
 
+27 # angelfish 2012-04-13 11:19
I don't understand how a woman (?) could sign such an egregious piece of Bull-Puckey! ANYONE, man OR woman, who is NOT a the Patient's Personal Physician has NO business dictating when conception takes place or when and if a woman needs/wants an abortion! We are STILL a FREE society, ruled by Laws, but when the Law becomes an ASS, such as THIS Law, we must fight it with all our hearts, minds and souls! Pray for sanity to return to our Political scene, but in the meantime, VOTE the Lunatic Nazi/Fascists OUT! The People UNITED will NEVER be defeated!
 
 
+21 # Diane 2012-04-13 11:41
Gov. Brewer, I have my fingers crossed that Newt Gingrich will somehow achieve his colony on the Moon, and I will pray that you join him on his journey - along with Scott Walker, yada, yada, yada. Allof you can then merrily stick your Republican noses into each other's business while leaving the rest of us, contentedly left on planet Earth, ALONE.
 
 
+18 # Caballero69 2012-04-13 11:59
The Republican Party uses the ruse of limited government to disguise what they truly desire. They want to rule! If they can capture power, they want to impose their obsessions on everyone. They are not concerned with due process and equal protection. Republicans seek to rule, not to govern. They wish to return Americans to the conditions our ancestors rebelled against in 1776.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 11:36
They have always wanted to. They are the bullies not the intelligent life forms
 
 
+21 # Jane Gilgun 2012-04-13 12:01
Progressive people need to start drafting model legislation for state governments and then lobbying for the passage of the legislation. Are we going to sit by and let the far right outorganize us and outsmart us? Where is the progressive counterpart to Americans United for Life? Why isn't there an organized pushback that says, You advocate for liberty, and you want to control and humiliate pregnant women. Get a life yourselves. Why don't they advocate this hard for children already born?
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 11:37
Amen..no one wants the child only the baby, same with animals everyone wants the babies
 
 
+20 # Majikman 2012-04-13 12:05
I have an idea how Arizona can raise funds..install toll booths at each interstate and charge admission into a theme park of medieval life.
 
 
+27 # fbacher 2012-04-13 12:12
I wonder if the "Stand Your Ground" law lets you shoot your fetus if you feel threatened?
 
 
+7 # AndreM5 2012-04-13 13:46
Only in the first 18 weeks post ovulation...
 
 
+34 # chrisconnolly 2012-04-13 12:16
These dark age republicans are not pro-life. I would expect a pro-lifer to campaign as religiously against war and capitol punishment as they do against birth control and abortion. These christian invectives that are being signed into law are frighteningly idiotic and reminiscent of Nazi Germany in 1930.
 
 
+32 # capejafreem 2012-04-13 12:35
Back in the 60's, when I was in college, several students died at the hands of back street abortionists. I'd hoped those days were over. Abortions will not stop, they will, as in the olden days, be performed in those same back street filthy rooms, but with new strains of germs added to the mix for new untreatable infections introduced by those old reliable coat-hangers. And lets not forget bleeding to death. What are these people, um, uh, thinking?
 
 
+5 # vitobonespur 2012-04-14 01:00
And let's not forget the close proximity of the Mexican border...
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 11:42
Nice part of today is we can afford to go to Canada, Europe, even South America. I know people who did so for Leukemia, hepatitis and are alive 20 years...my other friends are dead. USA refuses to look at the studies of other Countries and use the pharmaceutical protocol. We have doctors without borders for lot of reasons, most moral/ethical same with research Lot of good researchers left USA to do good for people, animals. Pretty Sad. Better off supporting European and Canadian Humane Research than American.

Good doctors will be found...but we have the right to go elsewhere for treatment...so AMA you could lose lots of money. I hope we look into out of USA Health Insurance get doctors from other Countries to open up shop here...Free Trade Agreement, eh? Might actually see affordable, good Health Care
 
 
+18 # cherylpetro 2012-04-13 12:42
Jan Brewer, the Arizona prune, needs to go! Her brain is fried! Kimberly Yee is no prize either for coming up with this little gem! Include her in those who have ideas of smaller government that is small enough to fit right up in our lady business! No sane woman, (or any person for that matter) could vote Republican! They should be put on a 72 hour hold, and given a complete psych evaluation!
 
 
+18 # worldviewer 2012-04-13 12:57
It's one more example of pro-life EXTREMISM which pressures women to bear and raise children no matter what, even when it harms the child. Women are sometimes trapped in abusive relationships through a pregnancy or forced to leave their infant in childcare from birth. There's nothing pro-life about that.
Children do much better in life when they have a (non-abusive) father and a mother who can take maternity leave.
 
 
+8 # darryl 2012-04-13 12:59
We need to boycott, boycott these medieval states.
On my list are Arizona,Kansas, Souf Dakota, Floriduh, Alabama, Wisconsin, Ohio, Virginia, Oklahoma, Texas and Louisiana.
It doesn't help that Obama has neither balls nor spine.
Does he have what it takes to speak out against this lunacy.
We've got to have a 3rd Party and get rid of the spineless democrats too.
Do you hear any democrats speaking out against this?
 
 
+14 # Glen 2012-04-13 13:49
You left Mississippi off your list.
 
 
+9 # Cassandra2012 2012-04-13 14:28
Wisconsin is not medieval, merely schizophrenic-- - remember, it is the state of both LaFollette (sp.) and Joe McCarthy!
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 11:45
CAn we trust the chees anymore...is that Monsanto cheese
 
 
+1 # KittatinyHawk 2012-04-15 11:44
Democrats who are they?
Put Pa on that list...Santorum is home boy and and idiot. But Corbet and his crew are pro killing people
 
 
+19 # speedboy 2012-04-13 13:09
Roe v Wade was enacted to end coat-hanger abortions and public bathroom self-deliveries of unwanted babies. Women will turn to that again, if necessary---des perate times lead to desperate measures.

I am surprised that women are not yet using the internet for advice on how to procede with self-abortion-- -something that will surely happen if these anti-abortion fanatics continue with this lunacy!
 
 
+11 # Don Thomann 2012-04-13 13:21
Hey, who's going to protect sperm?
Life starts at the moment the sperm that is going to fertilize the egg is produced, that can be quite a lengthy amount of time!
PROTECT SPERM!
 
 
+21 # henry bruce 2012-04-13 13:40
I cannot believe that a woman would put her hand to such an atrocious, demeaning and dangerous law.

Are we certain that this really is a woman? Has anybody checked?
 
 
+15 # henry bruce 2012-04-13 13:44
So there could be virgins out there who haven't even had sex yet but could, technically be pregnant. Hmmmmm pregnant virgins? Haven't we heard that one before?
 
 
+6 # kimschaller 2012-04-13 14:05
This bill is a silly waste of time !
20 weeks equals 5 months.
How many women do you know who would wait 5 months before deciding to end her pregnancy? None.
There are no more than 5 doctors in the entire country who are qualified and who will perform such a late term abortion. In other words, no woman chooses to have such a late term procedure. It would only be to save her life.
 
 
+11 # Patch 2012-04-13 15:46
Or abort a fetus that would be born with severe handicaps.
 
 
+19 # Glen 2012-04-14 05:07
It isn't waiting 5 months to decide; it is banning abortions for unexpected deformities, infections, or any other development that would kill the baby or the mother. Go to Planned Parenthood's website and read the story of the woman whose water broke at 22 weeks, ensuring damage to the baby and herself. She developed an infection but her doctors could not help her and her husband due to the law that would send the doctor to jail. She gave birth to a baby unable to live more than a few hours and she was left with the nightmare of infection.

Nothing is as simple as thinking all pregnancies are a walk in the park and perfectly healthy.
 
 
+21 # jwb110 2012-04-13 15:16
The GOP is going to rue the day they started all this.
 
 
+2 # JetpackAngel 2012-04-15 23:09
They won't until we get enough people together to MAKE them rue it. Otherwise they're not gonna be happy until we're back in the Dark Ages.
 
 
+16 # Electricrailwaygod 2012-04-13 23:29
HEIL BREWER! (That is about the tune of it)! If you ask me, I am beginning to think that Brewer is a reincarnation of that infamous and notorious Nazi physician, a one Dr. Josef Mengola!

My God! This is the closest thing to implementing Hitlerian policies in Arizona (and America as well)! This is a travesty, a VERY sad day for women in America! I had already known that Jan Brewer was practically a National Socialist (Neo-Nazi), but this act is virtually confirnation of this! So terrible! Shameful! Outright disgusting! I really am thinking that it is GAME OVER for America! Wow!
 
 
+8 # Electricrailwaygod 2012-04-13 23:56
Correction: Dr. Josef Mengele (Not Mengola)
 
 
+11 # JJS 2012-04-14 04:25
So now women seeking abortion in Az might reply to the question:
"When was the 1st day of your last period?"
by saying:
"1 Month from now."
 
 
+3 # wilhelmscream 2012-04-14 11:59
They mock Catholics in "Monty Python's Meaning of Life" in a segment on birth control.
 
 
+1 # JetpackAngel 2012-04-15 23:12
I was thinking it's more like "Idiocracy," but I've never seen it and with the news lately I'm kinda scared to. I'm afraid I'll see too many similarities to today. It's too easy to see that it's exactly where we're headed, and that's where we want us, because stupid people do as they are told.
 
 
+11 # harksong 2012-04-14 13:32
Here is a better suggestion to Brewer's insane new bill. Rather than going after her or any other anti choice and anti woman politician we should all be going after the special interest groups that fund, support and influence them. Groups such as "Operation Rescue", a violent anti-abortion group. When was the last time a demonstration by these homegrown terrorists was challenged in equal or superior numbers by we,the citizens? This should be our tactic. Taking on the organizations that go after our politicians. Dismantle them, make their prescence in our communities akin to poison. Make their demonstrators retreat when faced with peaceful but absolutely determined citizens who will not be silenced by anything they do. These terrorist groups, and that is what I believe they are, represent a radical but small minority. They have been able to influence our elected leaders because we have allowed them to. We have believed they would not be taken seriously. We were wrong. Now is the time to give them all their walking papers. Right now in the Carolinas, Operation Rescue is at work. Issuing "wanted dead or alive posters" of doctors and providers of women's health care. They can be stopped and made to leave those states by the citizens of the Carolinas. They can be stopped in every state they go to if we take a stand, a visible stand that is peaceful but determined and let the politicians know we will be watching and voting.
 
 
+3 # labman57 2012-04-15 06:42
Perhaps these medically illiterate legislators viewed the movie Minority Report a few too many times.

Once again, socially conservative (read "regressive") politicians are demonstrating their unwillingness to do their homework before taking a stand on important policy positions affecting entire subsets of Americans. Lord knows we don't want to be informed about the fundamentals of human biology when creating legislation that would impact the health and well-being of women.

So for women living in Arizona who wish to have an abortion, Governor Palpatine's advice to you is: BYOCH*

* bring your own coat hanger

Of course, the "life begins at the end of the menstrual cycle" component of this bill is also extremely problematic -- the implication is that any female who ovulates and does not engage in intercourse in an effort to become pregnant is guilty of premeditated murder. Have a period, go to prison.
 
 
0 # jerryball 2012-04-15 18:06
What next? Conception occurs at first stiffie? Perhaps closer to conception than first ovulation....
 
 
+2 # psadave 2012-04-15 22:36
The GOP for small government will have to hire lots of people to watch over all women of child bearing years! Big brother tactics to see when they have a period and give every girl and woman frequent pregnancy tests! I'm sure the Florida governor will try to implement this, too, for his medical testing business.
 
 
+2 # JetpackAngel 2012-04-15 23:08
Who was it that told the joke, "What's next? Life begins at the bar's last call?"

Rabid pro-lifers = crazy cat ladies who make EVERYBODY else take care of ALL the cats. Anybody else see that as an apt comparison? I mean, the little old lady with seventy sick and stinking and underfed cats shows just as much passion as these people. And our planet is staggering under the weight of overpopulation/ overconsumption as it is.
 
 
+2 # BVA 2012-04-16 22:35
Each year of the "approximately 2 million women who experience pregnancy loss" in the U.S. the following causes are noted in the statistics: 1) "600,000 women experience pregnancy loss through miscarriage; 2) "64,000…through ectopic pregnancy; 3) "6,000…through molar pregnancies; 4) "26,000…through stillbirth" (American Pregnancy Association). Medline Plus: "…miscarriage rate is about 15-20%".

Did a god, or "the God", purposely install a unique "soul" in all those fetuses? Does that fetus "soul" have an 'afterlife' per any (or all) current theology(s)? Do even those fetuses without a developing brain have a "soul" that goes to "heaven"? (Having had little time to commit any 'sins', let alone the physical organ necessary to form the required 'intentionality ' to commit a 'sin', where else could such a "soul" end-up in any 'afterlife' scenario?)

Given these statistics we can assume the possibility exists that a high percentage of the "souls" in "heaven" never had a fair chance of committing a sin that might allow them to at least visit the "other place" (or places in between). Heaven is most likely overrun with such "souls"!

This analysis emphasizes that AZ H.B. 2036 imposes not just a new religious standard of healthcare but a particular religious standard of healthcare! It is the first major religious edict of the THEOCRATIC St of AZ! Appropriately the AZ St. Motto is one of only 7 state mottos that reference God). Ditat Deus! y'all!
 

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