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Barbato reports: "After an emotional 14-hour workday that included fist-fights between lobbyists and a walk-out by women Democrats, the Georgia House passed a Senate-approved bill Thursday night that criminalizes abortion after 20 weeks."

Abortion will not be allowed after 20 weeks in Georgia, even in the case of rape or incest. (photo: flickr commons)
Abortion will not be allowed after 20 weeks in Georgia, even in the case of rape or incest. (photo: flickr commons)



At 11th Hour, Georgia Passes "Women As Livestock" Bill

By Lauren Barbato, Ms. Magazine

02 April 12

 

fter an emotional 14-hour workday that included fist-fights between lobbyists and a walk-out by women Democrats, the Georgia House passed a Senate-approved bill Thursday night that criminalizes abortion after 20 weeks.

The bill, which does not contain rape or incest exemptions, is expected to receive a signature from Republican Gov. Nathan Deal.

Commonly referred to as the "fetal pain bill" by Georgian Republicans and as the "women as livestock bill" by everyone else, HB 954 garnered national attention this month when state Rep. Terry England (R-Auburn) compared pregnant women carrying stillborn fetuses to the cows and pigs on his farm. According to Rep. England and his warped thought process, if farmers have to "deliver calves, dead or alive," then a woman carrying a dead fetus, or one not expected to survive, should have to carry it to term.

The bill as first proposed outlawed all abortions after 20 weeks under all circumstances. After negotiations with the Senate, the House passed a revised HB 954 that makes an exemption for "medically futile" pregnancies or those in which the woman's life or health is threatened.

If this makes its seem like Rep. England and the rest of the representatives looked beyond their cows and pigs and recognized women as capable, full-thinking human beings, think again: HB 954 excludes a woman's "emotional or mental condition," which means women suffering from mental illness would be forced to carry a pregnancy to term. It also ignores pregnant women who are suicidal and driven to inflict harm on themselves because of their unwanted pregnancy.

In order for a pregnancy to be considered "medically futile," the fetus must be diagnosed with an irreversible chromosomal or congenital anomaly that is "incompatible with sustaining life after birth." The Georgia "fetal pain" bill also stipulates that the abortion must be performed in such a way that the fetus emerges alive. If doctors perform the abortion differently, they face felony charges and up to 10 years in prison. Given all this, the so-called compromise suddenly does not look like much of a bargain.

For anti-choice lawmakers, it is an item of faith that fetuses feel pain at 20 weeks. But scientists disagree. Reviews of all existing medical evidence have found that fetuses have not developed the neurological structures to feel pain until at least 25 weeks, and likely not until 28 weeks, in the third trimester.

Although Roe v. Wade set the precedent for abortion to be legal up to 24 weeks, state legislatures continue to ram through restrictive anti-choice laws. Georgia will join six other states with fetal pain restrictions - Nebraska, Indiana, Idaho, Kansas, Oklahoma and Alabama. North Carolina prohibits abortion after 20 weeks.

Arizona is now poised to join the roster, as the Senate passed a 20-week abortion restriction Tuesday. The bill, which awaits final approval from the House, also requires women seeking abortions to look at a state-run website littered with anti-choice propaganda.

And in the Northeast, arguably the country's most pro-choice region, the New Hampshire House voted Thursday to ban abortion after 20 weeks. The bill now moves to the Senate to join four other anti-abortion bills passed by the House this month.

Although GOP's war on women continues to deal blow after blow, this week held two small victories: The Oklahoma Supreme Court struck down mandated ultrasounds while the Idaho House dropped the ultrasound bill all together.

 

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+232 # Rick Levy 2012-04-02 20:10
No exemption for rape or incest? Well I suppose that has an internal consistency. To the anti-abortion extremists, a fetus/baby (They can't distinguish between the two)has a right to life no matter what the circumstances were under which it was conceived.

But to compare pregnant women to farm animals is a new low, even for those people.
 
 
+148 # carp 2012-04-02 22:48
Quoting Rick Levy:
No exemption for rape or incest? Well I suppose that has an internal consistency. To the anti-abortion extremists, a fetus/baby (They can't distinguish between the two)has a right to life no matter what the circumstances were under which it was conceived.

But to compare pregnant women to farm animals is a new low, even for those people.


A new low? But that is exactly how they view women, as pigs and cows and sluts.
 
 
+37 # John Locke 2012-04-03 08:09
Thats what southere inbreading has done to the fundamental christians!
 
 
+89 # HealthySkeptic 2012-04-03 10:18
True. Hypocrisy is rampant, however. I'm quite sure if you told one of these hypocrites that their precious, holier-than-tho u daughter was pregnant by.....well, let's just say she was pregnant by someone he didn't like (leave it to your imagination) he'd have her at the abortion clinic so fast your head would spin.

Except that some of these people have private doctors who perform "hushed" abortions in a private office, not a clinic, so no one but them ever knows.

Hypocrisy at its finest.
 
 
+42 # Capn Canard 2012-04-03 09:05
Rick Levy, agreed, but a "new low?" I don't think we can set the bar low enough for the gutter slime Antiabortionist s.
 
 
+78 # Barbara K 2012-04-03 10:03
lin96 had a good idea. Let's boycott these states. Won't spend any vacation or visit time thee. Don't even spend a cent in their slimy states. We have the power of the purse too, let's use it.
 
 
+142 # henry bruce 2012-04-02 20:54
As usual, stupidity reigns in the south.
 
 
+147 # chizables 2012-04-02 21:45
It's not just the South. It's all over: Nebraska, Indiana, Idaho, Kansas, Oklahoma, Alabama, North Carolina, New Hampshire and Arizona, too.
 
 
+52 # henry bruce 2012-04-02 22:51
You are, of course, correct. I was raised in OK in a town that was steeped in it.
 
 
-70 # afterlater2 2012-04-02 22:03
@henry bruce - perhaps you might examine your own narrow-mindedne ss. Or perhaps you believe that Nebraska, Oklahoma, Idaho,Kansas, New Hampshire and Arizona all are part of the south.
 
 
+51 # henry bruce 2012-04-03 00:21
I didn't mean that it only applied to the south. How about Kansas where they advocate teaching Creationism or Wisconsin-we all know what is going on there or Oklahoma where I personally witnessed KKK activity. Narrow minded because I think people who want to treat human beings as cattle are terribly, terribly wrong. I don't think so.
 
 
+23 # BobbyLip 2012-04-03 03:24
Part of the mental south.
 
 
+23 # linkedout 2012-04-03 10:11
[quote name="afterlate r2Arizona [is} part of the south.

Arizona is, surprisingly,so far south that it actually *touches* Mexico. I understand the revulsion that must cause in you, but it's true.

The political character of the state is perhaps best described as "southern-wanna be." The politicians want to be as ignorant, backward and regressive as their southern counterparts, but they'll have to study up to get there.
 
 
+41 # HealthySkeptic 2012-04-03 10:16
Arizona is the South....the Southwest, where stupidity is abundant. Our idiot governor leads the way.
 
 
+65 # cynnibunny 2012-04-02 23:40
Quoting henry bruce:
As usual, stupidity reigns in the south.

Don't write off the whole region because of one party's use of hate to get elected. The idea behind extremist legislation is to demoralize opposition, and to trivialize public debate. The Republicans know how to get elected. They know they can always get an abortion from their private doctor's, law or no law.

These crazy, well-funded corporate-bough t politicians do not represent the majority of people in the south. It's laws like this that force people to go along with anything the party says. It's like the Nazis. Extremism breeds fear, fear of thinking dispassionately , fear of feeling something for your fellow man, or in this case woman, fear of caring for someone outside your belief circle.
 
 
+27 # Capn Canard 2012-04-03 09:11
cynnibunny, this stupidity is everywhere... I think we all know it is based on a lack of awareness, intelligence, and empathy. I like to believe that if people realize the consequences of their actions they will change, unless their belief in god gets in the way of their good sense.
 
 
+105 # Tulsagerry 2012-04-02 21:40
Them "good ol' redneck boys" knows whats best for their women! Barefoot and Pregnant!
 
 
+29 # 666 2012-04-03 04:29
just like their stock animals...
 
 
+193 # Maxwell 2012-04-02 21:52
I have a great idea. Let's keep men out of all discussions of abortion. All decisions will be made exclusively by women.

Before you cry "Discrimination !", please note that for most of our nation's history the laws regarding abortion have been made exclusively by men.
 
 
+25 # henry bruce 2012-04-03 00:23
Nothing wrong with fair minded men fighting to keep those rights along side with the women who are entitled to those rights.
 
 
+191 # DaveM 2012-04-02 22:01
I've never heard of farmers "having to deliver calves, dead or alive". Indeed, I've seen veterinarians visit farms to induce labor on a cow carrying a dead calf or cut the calf up inside the cow if it cannot be delivered intact. The alternative is for the cow to develop a massive infection and die.

In other words, Georgia no longer grants the consideration to human beings that it does to cattle.
 
 
+54 # CL38 2012-04-03 01:23
"In other words, Georgia no longer grants the consideration to" WOMEN "that it does to cattle".
 
 
+231 # kbarrand 2012-04-02 22:13
And we are supposed to fear MUSLIM extremists?!
 
 
+120 # X Dane 2012-04-02 22:16
STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, REPUBLICANS.
Please DO keep up this asinine behavior,
so women and Intelligent men in the WHOLE country can see what you are up to.

You disgust me. Come November YOU ARE HISTORY
 
 
+203 # old cynic 2012-04-02 22:19
Republican men are now in a position to give give lessons to the Taliban. Women are property to be bought and sold. No more thinking and independent than livestock. Men are in the position of knowing how women should behave, dress, and think. How any woman can vote for any Republican is beyond comprehension.

If all men would keep their zippers up at all times there would be no need for contraceptives. Is all men had vasectomies there would be no need for contraceptives. If only men, for once, would take responsibility for their actions we would not be having this issue.
 
 
+42 # carp 2012-04-03 08:58
Quoting old cynic:
Republican men are now in a position to give give lessons to the Taliban. Women are property to be bought and sold. No more thinking and independent than livestock. Men are in the position of knowing how women should behave, dress, and think. How any woman can vote for any Republican is beyond comprehension.

If all men would keep their zippers up at all times there would be no need for contraceptives. Is all men had vasectomies there would be no need for contraceptives. If only men, for once, would take responsibility for their actions we would not be having this issue.


Just try selling that concept to the social conservatives, they act as if the male discharge is the most sacred of all. They refuse to craft legislation regarding their precious sperm.
 
 
+70 # L. Sabransky 2012-04-02 22:26
Someone needs to explain to me why, politically, they are doing this when it's unconstitutiona l. Are they doing it to challenge the constitution? This is going to go straight to court once it's signed...
 
 
+47 # angelfish 2012-04-03 00:27
Quoting JazBing:
Someone needs to explain to me why, politically, they are doing this when it's unconstitutional. Are they doing it to challenge the constitution? This is going to go straight to court once it's signed...

Don't you see, Jaz, it's because the Court will, in all likelihood, uphold their insane views! The Court is Loaded with Hard Right-Wing Ideologues who don't give a Fiddler's Bitch for the Law or Humanity or ANYTHING but their Wealthy Masters!
 
 
+10 # Maxwell 2012-04-03 16:17
Quoting angelfish:
Quoting JazBing:
Someone needs to explain to me why, politically, they are doing this when it's unconstitutional. Are they doing it to challenge the constitution? This is going to go straight to court once it's signed...

Don't you see, Jaz, it's because the Court will, in all likelihood, uphold their insane views! The Court is Loaded with Hard Right-Wing Ideologues who don't give a Fiddler's Bitch for the Law or Humanity or ANYTHING but their Wealthy Masters!

I think it's pretty unlikely that The Court will overturn Roe v Wade, which is what it would take for these laws to stand. It's possible that this is just political theater. The Republicans passing these laws know that they won't stand under court challenges, but they'll pass these laws anyway. Then when the laws get struck down in court decisions, the GOP'ers will dramatically beat their breasts over the Evil Activist Judges thwarting The People's Will, knowing all along that they never had a chance. Some of these Republicans may well want this legislation passed and for it to stand, but most of them are just playing to the rubes and right-wing christianistas.
 
 
+25 # CL38 2012-04-03 19:00
You're forgetting how reactionary these Supreme Court Justices are. Scalia gave the 2000 election to Bush and more recently gave us Citizens United.
 
 
+7 # Maxwell 2012-04-03 21:49
Good points, CL38. I haven't forgotten about those things, but I'm hoping that most of the Supreme Court Justices will be reluctant to overturn such a landmark decision as Roe v Wade. It is THE overriding guideline for a woman's legal right to choose. In the face of no new and compelling reasons to strike Roe v Wade down, it seems unlikely that the Court would do so.

Unfortunately, I suppose it's not impossible. Scalia and other right-wing ideologues won't care about precedent and even plain human decency. They've shown themselves to be more devoted to their own agendas than to law, justice, the Constitution, or the good of the American people.

Right wingers complain about "activist judges legislating from the bench". I wonder if that would be of such great distress to them in this particular instance.
 
 
+89 # Carbonman1950 2012-04-02 22:49
This is sad, but in this cartoonish act of moralistic overreach there may be hope.

This action and many of the recent acts of the far right extremists and christianists, feels to me like an act of desperation. I suspect that these moralistic zealots can feel their 40 year long death grip on the country is beginning to slip away. They see that even those who used to be with them are starting to turn away in disgust, saying this is too much; this is too far.

I do not say this will end instantly. Like squatters finally being evicted from a home they've been allowed to take over and vandalize for far too long, they will try to do a lot more damage on their way out, but I think they know their end is coming.
 
 
+26 # RMDC 2012-04-03 05:52
carbonman -- I think it is actually the opposite. The conservatives are feeling their 40 year long death grip on the nation now beginning to really crush the throats of the few independent thinking americans left. The hard right wing in the US -- the fascists -- are on the rampage. As usual, the fascists are in the police at all levels and they are running rampant all over the nations. The courts are part of the problem. Legislators are just the corrupted class. They will do anything to appease the anger of the raging masses. The nation is going insane.
 
 
+27 # ABen 2012-04-03 11:39
Carbonman; I agree with your assessment of the whacko right-wing. However, as a life-long Republican (Eisenhower variety) said to me last weekend, the damage done by the Bushies and the 'Baggers' could take decades to undo. Although the Dems occasionally get "lost in the weeds," the party generally works for the public good and is the only viable alternative to GOP wing-nuts. Vote the Democratic Party until the GOP comes back to a recognizable reality.
 
 
+75 # readerz 2012-04-02 22:52
It is sad. These men do not see women as human; they think that men spontaneously generate?
Other articles on other subjects have noted how much paranoia and lack of cohesion our nomadic society has, that leads to teens being shot. If females are forced into reproduction before they are ready, not only will they suffer physical harm, but society will lose its psychological home and its stability.
Haven't we seen enough articles about young women forced into early marriage and childbirth, leading to the destruction of a culture? Do we want to be Yemen, India, and many other truly 3rd world countries?
 
 
+24 # Texas Aggie 2012-04-02 23:30
Depends on who "we" is. Yes, there are many of us who wouldn't have any problem with us being a third world country where theocracy is how governing is done and where all the "inferior classes" stay in their place and the political and the economic elite are the same people. There are quite a few people, e.g., Tea Partiers, who would like us to be a big Honduras.
 
 
+26 # bugbuster 2012-04-02 22:58
They have been prattling on for years about abortion this and abortion that, and not even Bush Jr. ever actually did anything about it. I suppose they finally have to put up or shut up. If the women of these states are too stupid to hand them their political heads for these atrocities, then I suppose they all deserve each other.

It is increasingly unclear to me who won the Civil War and whether, if he could see us now, Lincoln would have invested any of his political capital in what he thought was "saving the Union." Other than a few musical bright spots--Austin, Nashville, New Orleans--what good is the South to us? Nothing but daughter-diddli ng preachers and people who shoot black people for sport.
 
 
+39 # Street Level 2012-04-02 23:00
What can be considered more "medically futile" than carrying a dead fetus? Separating the poor, elderly, uneducated, minorities, women, LGBT, unemployed, homeowner, student, unionist, farmer, homeless...It's called divide and conquer. We can no longer turn a blind eye thinking it's not me, it's not my state. It's us, it's all of us.
 
 
+19 # Texas Aggie 2012-04-02 23:07
Rachel has an EXCELLENT video on this. Go check it out. It seems that one of the republican reps walked out of the first vote because his daughter had been pregnant with a severely deformed fetus that she got aborted. He eventually voted for the bill after the Senate added the bit about medically futile, but the Peach Tea Party is still going to primary him.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#46934019
 
 
+6 # ckosuda 2012-04-02 23:08
Rep. England needs to watch "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" and make believe he is the one getting the tattoo - no pain no gain.
 
 
+12 # Glen 2012-04-03 09:31
Yes, ckosuda, especially the Swedish version of the movie. The American version doesn't even touch on the real issues. If more men could experience such gross humiliation, would they continue with more humility?
 
 
+28 # giraffee2012 2012-04-02 23:18
When these GOP/TP try to cut Medicare/Social Security/Educat ion === saying they want "smaller govt" -- I hope the Dems scream "Small government? Then get the government out of a woman's right to do what she wants with HER BODY"

BTW - many of those states who bar abortion have NO LAWS to put he rapists in jail (etc) when they ban abortions.
Romney is trying to bring women into his "caring" -- about jobs etc. WHAT A JOKE! Maybe he wants to put women on the top of his car with his dog?

VOTE DEM/VOTE OBAMA -- Contact your local Dem headquarters and see how you can get more dems out to vote
 
 
+41 # Patch 2012-04-02 23:24
This is far more than stupidity. This is full on misogyny and no surprise there. The religious fundamentalists of all stripes dominate and treat women like cattle. I'm not sure I have any hope for a backlash against this. When people have turned their brains into mush through religion they are nothing more than robots that can be manipulated easily.
 
 
+21 # Peace Anonymous 2012-04-02 23:26
Offering an opinion on this means that I have to understand it. I can't. I do not know what it is like to be a pregnant woman. I do not know what it is like to be a pregnant cow. But I do know that my friends in Atlanta are very embarrassed by the people who run the state of Georgia.
 
 
+30 # Regina 2012-04-03 00:06
This insanity must be stopped in November. These cretins have really gone off the deep end! They really do regard themselves as anointed, and women only as incubators for babies. They are obviously delighted to be accessories to every rape. The national election is going to take a huge turnout of women, which does seem to be forming. The rebellion of women legislators is encouraging. Among other pushbacks, we have to get the Council of Bishops out of their chummy participation in Congressional committees, and they're not the only ultra-religious conspirators in the legislative pipeline.
 
 
+17 # henry bruce 2012-04-03 00:16
One can only hope that events such as this will keep the ire of Democrats at a fever pitch and we can truly express ourselves in November. VOTE.
 
 
+21 # chinaski 2012-04-03 00:18
The only 'fetal pain' experienced here will be the anguish felt by these baby soul legislators a nanosecond after they leave their bodies and realize who they've been in this lifetime.
This is lawmaking made against the unborn by those yet to be born themselves.
This is anger directed at women, justified with a moral excuse, by men who have aborted their own humanity and dredged up a new lie to shield themselves from the truth that they are dead inside.
 
 
+8 # Regina 2012-04-03 11:38
Nothing "moral" about their excuses -- their drivel is self-serving and misogynistic to the max. They think that religiosity -- not synonymous with religion -- makes them infallibly right. The only thing "right" about them is their political extremism.
 
 
+21 # angelfish 2012-04-03 00:22
I'm surprised these Boobs deny evolution because they are definitive PROOF that man can, not only Evolve but, DEvolve as well! They seem intent on Goose-stepping us all, but especially Women, backward towards the great Swamp we all crawled out of so many Millions of years ago. I don't mind THEM going back, but they should leave the rest of us ALONE!
 
 
+31 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2012-04-03 00:46
So now we have our own American Taliban. What comes next, stoning rape victims?

And once a child is born, its life is of no consequence. If only these right to life activists were concerned about the loss of innocent life after birth. Where is the concern for all the innocent African Americans such as Trayvon Martin or Kenneth Chamberlain, Jr., the unarmed 68 year old veteran who was shot in the chest by cops who broke down his door after his life alert accidentally went off?
 
 
+26 # CL38 2012-04-03 01:20
These are men who are threatened by the hard-won gains of women, African Americans and gays.

Extreme men like these have an over-inflated ego, but very little sense of worth. They believe that stripping women of our rights and murdering 17 year old black children will prevent inevitable change and ensure their continued dominance.

The right has harmed millions of people, eroded our rights and privacy and stripped people of homes, jobs, and a comfortable retirement. They've been willing to destroy our county in the hope preventing an African American man from coming into his power as President.

They don't realize that their behaviors have created a hole in their soul -- not the gains of women, blacks or gays.

Let's put an end to this self-destructio n in November.
 
 
-18 # John Locke 2012-04-03 10:27
CL38 it is deeper than that, and by putting Obama back in office won't change a thing. It will continue and the attacks against our rights will escalate! He is doing what the 1% want…and He will not buck the system!

This hasn’t just started; it has been going on since even before Reagan, back to the 1930’s and is now at the point where it is escalating very fast. The next administration whether Obama or Romney will fairly much tie it all together and we have lost!

We now live under Fascism; it took the banks and industrialists 77 years to accomplish it, but they won…now what do we do? the same thing over and over and hope for a different result. We vote the same (controlled) two parties. Each takes us closer to their destination, a different form of government.

Time to admit Obama is part of the problem! Just take a serious look at what he has done to us. And you still think he is on the side of the 99%...sorry you’re a dreamer and not living in the real world.

We had an opportunity to stop this, but blind faith prevented any real consensus.

Your blind faith in a man who spat in your face with NDAA and all the other garbage has given them the time they needed to close the Knot. Yes it has been divide and conquer…and it worked!
 
 
+25 # CL38 2012-04-03 11:08
Obama is not the progressive I voted for, but he is far less dangerous than the Republicans/Tea Party. If the right gets back into office, in majorities, it's all over. Until people are willing to demand real change in our electoral system and government, this is what we have. That won't change between now and the election.

I've followed politics closely for 15 years and have watched the fascist right takeover with Democrats caving on too many important issues. We have to get after the Democrats, too, but they are, by far, the saner party.
 
 
-5 # John Locke 2012-04-04 09:25
CL38: I see, so you believe we must vote for the lesser of the two evils...that being Obama!

hummm but isn't that still voting for evil?

Ok then…here’s the question!
How do we get away from evil?
Or do we just allow the takeover of America by trying to keep from office who we feel will end our republic more rapidly?
Isn’t that still allowing them to end the republic?

If we know both party candidates are evil, why vote for either of them?

Why not try a third party that we KNOW is not controlled by Wall Street, Oil and any corporate money they will gladly take and do their bidding?

Do you think Obama will garner support from the near 10 million homeowners he allowed to lose their home while he supported TBTF? Or the near 25 million still unemployed?

Do you think to them he is the lesser of the two evils?
 
 
+4 # L. Sabransky 2012-04-03 20:13
Thank you CL38! That is what I say all the time is at the crux of this. It starts with the bad economy and men losing jobs in droves, being out of work for months/years, and being angry. The radical right has swooped in to provide convenient scapegoats, including immigrants, but who better than the females who get better test scores than males, and have been the majority in law AND medical schools for years, becoming more and more a part of the job market?

Keep women at home and pregnant (and dying and sick), and men not only are in power again and can feel less threatened, but there are more jobs freed up for them.

This may not be an overt or spoken reason for the current war on women, but there is no doubt in my mind that this is a significant motivator.
 
 
+10 # Robyn 2012-04-03 02:41
Madness, utter madness. America, you are seriously losing the plot. But as usual the only ones that suffer are young black men who seemingly can be gunned down by gun wielding psychos, and women.
 
 
+15 # stonecutter 2012-04-03 03:52
If I ever have to drive through Georgia again, I will diligently avoid spending any money there, and after I arrive safely beyond its border, take a shower as soon as possible.

Perhaps we can divert .0001% of the Defense budget, aimed at 28 flavors of terrorists after all, and build a razor-wire, electrified 50-foot high perimeter fence around the whole effing state, like a massive SuperMax; then "transfer" all the country's reactionaries, bible lunatics and illiterate gun nuts inside, to live among themselves as they please, and LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE. Kinda like that Ray Liotta prison movie "No Escape". The RNC can re-locate to Atlanta with their leader, Reince Priebus, whose name sounds like a severe intestinal disease. And Willard can be president, inside the fence.

Who knows, maybe they'll volunteer, so they can finally, happily live among their own homogeneous population of white "Christian" psychos and hog farmers...at least they'll have a lot of "fresh" air.
 
 
+7 # terrison 2012-04-03 08:55
Except it's not just Georgia. It's much of the south, Idaho, Arizona, New Hampshire, and who knows who else will follow?
 
 
+7 # John Locke 2012-04-03 10:29
Also some of the mid west!
 
 
+10 # cordleycoit 2012-04-03 04:27
At least women in the Bible Belt know their place. How long will women endure being livestock? Of course Republican women are moving closer to a return to the Golden Age of Slavery. Will the Republican Party beat back and subdue their chattels?
 
 
+11 # Gengis 2012-04-03 04:38
Its good "make work" legislation. The back alley knitting needle industry will expand, and so will the penal system to house all those unwanted children that will end up needing "big houses" to feed them. Others will end up like Troy Davis. Keeps the executors in work dealing with the unwanted pregnanacies at the other end of the spectrum too.
 
 
+22 # humanmancalvin 2012-04-03 05:28
Hard to fathom why any American woman would vote Republican outside of the crazy Tea Bagger contingent. More & more Republican women I deal with on a regular basis have indicated they will either stay home or vote Democrat(ic) in November. The far rights intrusion into women's bodies will hopefully help to sink their ship & propel President Obama to a second term. The hypocritical nature of the GOP is astounding, keep government out of our lives except of course for this, that, & any other thing my twisted version of Christianity calls for. Unlike the phony & non existent War On Christmas, the War On Women marches on & if anything will get worse if a Republican occupies the White House.
A vote for President Obama is a vote for sanity & equality for all citizens.
 
 
+17 # RMDC 2012-04-03 05:48
What is all this vengeance against women by conservatives? This law just makes no sense. It seems like most of the conservative states -- the south, midwest -- are passing vengeful laws against women. It is part of the republican campaign season.
 
 
+26 # Barbara K 2012-04-03 06:01
Women have to use their power. We are more than 50% of the voters, so get out there and show the Republicans the door come next election. They are just too disgusting to leave in congress any more. I cannot imagine why any woman would vote for them.

NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN !!

our future and our lives are at stake
 
 
+18 # Wolverbear 2012-04-03 06:50
When humans begin to regard others as objects history shows that is the beginning of oppression, genocide, war, and other unspeakable horrors. What the GOP is doing is hijacking this country from those of us who live here and enforcing their views of the world and the Divine landscape on everyone. We have an obligation to speak out against this madness or it will overtake us and the ensuing darkness they will bring to the world will be unimaginable.
 
 
-41 # howard1912 2012-04-03 06:52
I think by the time 20 wks has passed, it is too late to get an abortion. You know you are pregnant after the 1st month. 5 wks later you decide, that's way too long. Even 24 wks. that is allowed under Roe vs. Wade is more than necessary. The only logical reason to go have an abortion so late in the term is if in the examination by a doctor, that the baby is dysfunctional or to save the life of the woman. Women who don't want to be pregnant should do so in the early weeks,not waiting till the final 24 wks.
 
 
+41 # Texan 4 Peace 2012-04-03 08:29
And when did you become such an expert on pregnancy? Not all women have regular periods; it's not unusual for someone not to know they're pregnant until the 3rd month. And unless you live in an urban area, there is unlikely to be an abortion provider within 50 miles of you. Then there's all the laws about mandated waiting periods, etc., not to mention the expense of traveling to another city, lodging while you wait out your "waiting period" there, etc. Maybe you should try talking to someone who's had this experience before you judge. In any case, who are you to make these decisions for someone else?
 
 
-15 # John Locke 2012-04-04 09:35
Texan: Why are you so outraged by Howards comment? 20 weeks is 5 months he was simply using common sense! There are times when late term abortion is very appropriate e.g. still birth, mental retardation, potential harm to the mother etc.
Howard was not making decisions for anyone, he just made a comment... apparently you have issues that you may want to discuss with a professional, this is not the forum for that. I agree with him in that a woman knows the first month, there are many other signs besides a missed period, I am not going to go into them, but look them up if you don't know what they are!
 
 
+13 # lin96 2012-04-03 07:02
It will be interesting to see the decline in population in these states. Once they can dictate all of a citizen's rights, who is going to actually want to live in these states, or visit any of them for that matter?
 
 
+24 # Barbara K 2012-04-03 10:00
lin96, that is a good idea. Let's boycott these states. We won't visit, or spend a single cent in any of them. Let them eat crow.

NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN !!

our future and our lives are at stake.
 
 
-11 # John Locke 2012-04-04 09:40
Well Barbara, you have made a wise decision, giving up our rights, but allowing women an abortion on a temporary basis...
Yup that makes perfect sense to me! Vote Obama and women can get birth control but soon won't be allowed to protest the take over of the country!
 
 
+14 # dick 2012-04-03 07:07
This sounds like a rerun of an old, old story. People lose control of their lives to powerful elites and start looking around for something they deem significant that they CAN control. That may be where the "Third World" culture comes in. Conjure "spirits" & put the screws to defenseless women. Except here women are NOT defenseless. For example, among those eligible to vote, women outnumber men by many, many millions. Looking at the polls, Mitt may have to ask Hillary to be his running mate. The GOP is badly split. Thank Goddess.
 
 
+31 # bbaldwin 2012-04-03 07:14
Why doesn't someone outlaw the despensing of the Male enhancement drugs,
then these nitwits will see how making rules over persons sex lives and the reprocussion of such - is stupid.
 
 
+15 # CL38 2012-04-03 11:12
...and condoms and vasectomies and pornography and sex magazines...... anything and everything for men, according to the right.
 
 
-7 # John Locke 2012-04-04 09:41
CL38: I have the solution...lets just make having sex illegal!
 
 
+29 # Lulie 2012-04-03 07:33
It's amazing that men are so scared of women.
 
 
+1 # John Locke 2012-04-04 09:46
I think its control not fear! But in the south there are a lot of the born again Christian women who are behind this, sure we can discount them as crazies, but they are in the millions and live in an alternate universe, which we would call a fantasy world and they are dangerous!
 
 
-26 # amy jo 2012-04-03 07:47
Has everybody overlooked the fact that women still have 20 weeks to end a pregnancy? Is it not possible for a woman to make a decision in 20 weeks? I think women are more capable than that and they have a responsibility to make that decision before the possibility that they will be causing pain or suffering to the aborted fetus. "Woman as Cattle" was a sensational headline but it is not the issue here. Women have choice and they still have responsibility.
 
 
+25 # CL38 2012-04-03 11:18
The right will completely roll back women's rights (as they have been doing for 30 years, started with targeting legal abortions). They'll roll back gains for blacks and gay rights, if they maintain majorities.

The right is using religion to force their regressive views on the entire population, despite the separation of Church and State.
 
 
-4 # John Locke 2012-04-04 09:49
Amy: Very well said, I have no idea why the thumbs down...I gave you one up! Your view is one of common sense! I agree with you 100%
 
 
+24 # babs 2012-04-03 07:49
I actually have a question? Where are the Doctors on this issue and why aren't they speaking out against these state laws that remove women's health care rights?
 
 
+31 # Texan 4 Peace 2012-04-03 08:30
Maybe because so many of those who do have gotten shot, had their clinics bombed, etc.?
 
 
+10 # CL38 2012-04-03 11:19
There have been doctors killed for providing abortions. But other than that, I'm not aware of doctors, as a rule, speaking out against insurance company greed and abuses? They all seem to be in bed with the insurance and drug industries.
 
 
+13 # williamgaia 2012-04-03 07:53
There is an obvious correlation between inventiveness, creativity, independence and all the other virtues of freedom and the amount of control society grants to women. Conversely, For 1000 years no one from Saudi Arabia or South Carolina has found a cure for any disease, has discovered a new law of nature, has invented anything really worthwhile; no one from Mississippi (except a few Blacks) has stirred our emotions with song; not even composed a poem worth reading. See what happens to a culture when it disdains women. Now when Yemen or Alabama produces one Nobel Prize winner in science you know that hell is about to freeze over.

William
 
 
-37 # amy jo 2012-04-03 07:53
Not sure if RNS is just not going to post this...
Women are being given 20 weeks to make a decision and if they so choose abort the child they don't want. It is irresponsible and selfish to risk causing pain and suffering for another because women "have rights". Yes, and they have responsibilitie s too.
 
 
+17 # Torvus 2012-04-03 14:17
The 20 weeks has already been dealt with in a posting above. amy jo, you made a rather self-righteous comment. Does not the father have responsibilitie s? Where is he? Is he going to be made responsible for the child if it is 'forced' to be born? Who is going to rear, educate and home this child of duress? Are those who insist that the child be born also insisting that its mother should have their full support in raising that child in lieu of an absent/unwillin g father? If so, what IS that support? If not, shouldn't there be legislation for it, if we're talking about responsibilitie s? Where, indeed, does a woman's pain and suffering end in such cases? (Btw - mention of 'cattle' reminds me that most dreadfully exploited farm animals are female. More often than not, raped/AI. Males are generally not profitable . . .)
 
 
+23 # michelle 2012-04-03 17:11
There are several issues amy jo is missing not the least of which is a woman's right to control her own destiny. Additionally, amniocentesis (that's genetic testing amy) is usually done between 18-20 weeks. Results take 4-6 weeks to come back. That can put a woman over the time limit. Fetuses die for any number of reasons. A coworker had a fetus die just weeks short of delivery. It would be criminal and dangerous to ask a women to keep a dead and rotting fetus in her body.
We live in a culture with many different belief systems. We have, or at least in the past, have agreed to disagree over religious issues. My advice to amy is simple; don't like abortion, don't have one but please do not force me to follow your own version of what is right.
In the meantime if you are concerned about children please lobby to increase food stamps, provide healthcare to children and their parents, work to stop foreclosures and keep children in their homes. Prove something.
 
 
+31 # Citizen Cohen 2012-04-03 07:56
Remember the Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood, and the subsequent movie that came out based on the book? It's a story about the "future" in which women are relegated to being breeders and all sexual relations are strictly controlled. Atwood's "science fiction" isn't so far-fetched. Yes, Virginia, the patriarchal powers that be absolutely do want to control your body.
 
 
+4 # Anarchist 23 2012-04-05 12:44
Quoting Citizen Cohen:
Remember the Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood, and the subsequent movie that came out based on the book? It's a story about the "future" in which women are relegated to being breeders and all sexual relations are strictly controlled. Atwood's "science fiction" isn't so far-fetched. Yes, Virginia, the patriarchal powers that be absolutely do want to control your body.

I bought and kept that movie for all these years as a 'training' film- since so many no longer read. For people who told me 'you are too extreme' over these long years I had and have just one word 'wait' Seems like the waiting is over.
 
 
+3 # Capn Canard 2012-04-06 11:47
Anarchist 23 and Citizen Cohen good point, given the actions of the Republican and TeaBaggers this Handmaid's Tale stuff looks more like reality everyday.
 
 
+18 # ShelleyLaysi 2012-04-03 08:04
AND THESE PEOPLE WANT YOUR VOTE AGAIN,REALLY!
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE AMERICA??
THIS IS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE!!
VOTE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST AMERICA PLZZZZ
GOP AND WICKED RIGHT IS NOT THE ONE!
 
 
+22 # erogers 2012-04-03 08:06
Way to go Georgia. Your ignorant and narrow-minded Legislature just added your state to a growing list of states that I will not set foot in. Hit these idiots where it hurts, in the wallet. Georgia has become a Third World state.
 
 
+1 # L. Sabransky 2012-04-03 20:17
That's what I say too! I sent notes to Arizona's chamber of commerce telling them why I will not visit their state after that crazy governor signed the anti-immigrants laws. So, what's our list?
Kansas, Arizona, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Virginia?...it' s really like half the country!
 
 
+23 # ckosuda 2012-04-03 08:16
I'm thinking these republican goons need to be prosecuted - these are hate crimes against women -
are there no decent republicans to call these goons out, and tell them to cease and desist, and that they are liable for hate crime prosecution?

by the way, when will the hate crime prosecutions begin?
 
 
+3 # John Locke 2012-04-04 09:55
They are earmarked for 3084
 
 
+21 # mgurney 2012-04-03 08:57
And I thought the Republicans are the party that what’s less government regulating and policing our lives!
 
 
+20 # deegal 2012-04-03 10:03
Women will not STOP getting abortions because of the law. They will find a way. They always have. Will the procedure be safe,or will these women die? That is the question.

In the past in our beloved country LITERALLY thousands and thousands of women died each year because of illegal abortions.

Don't the Republicans read history books on those horrendous procedures performed on women because they couldn't go to their doctors?
 
 
+15 # Cassandra2012 2012-04-03 11:22
Don't try to confuse a right wing radical extremist Republican/TP-e r with the facts...
 
 
+23 # lilpat126 2012-04-03 10:47
Of course they don't read about Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood. The organization that was created to provide care and help so that women would not be seeking abortions. She was horrified at the number of women who died from botched abortions. Women who had way many more children than they could care for or feed. Many had husbands that just abandoned their families because they couldn't handle it. She came to the rescue of these women and children. Now after all these years of caring for millions the Republicans want to take that away too. Are they too stupid to see that if a woman go to Planned Parenthood she is less likely to end up on welfare. She is more likely to be a productive member of society. And why is the burden on the women? It takes two to produce a child. Why aren't men taking more measures to prevent pregnancy. When we realized that more kids would keep us from getting to a better place in this world my husband had a Vasectomy. He felt it was a much simpler procedure than a tubal ligation, and since I was the one who had given birth it was the least he could do. One of the reasons we have been married 50 years.
 
 
+12 # jwb110 2012-04-03 11:14
You have to remember that these white men will be in a real numbers minority by 2050. They are doing everything possible to hold on to power and stack the deck in their favor for that coming Apocalypse of White Domination of America. Fear and paranoia is all they have to work with and they certainly are fearful and paranoid.
This is the demise of the GOP/TP ad it is a long time coming. I wonder if they even realize how closely they and they alone have set of this country for a potential Marxist style revolution by trying to return to the 1900 century.
For them misogyny reigns supreme.
 
 
+6 # worldviewer 2012-04-03 11:52
Getting mad at extremists just eggs them on.
We need facts that the majority of people can agree with.
Such as these:
--The first and most vital thing a baby must do immediately after birth--is BREATHE--and do that for the rest of its life. A fetus doesn't develop lung maturity until the last few weeks of a full-term birth. This is nature's way of indicating a baby isn't ready to be born before then.
 
 
+16 # Sophie 2012-04-03 12:11
This is beyond sickening. There is a reason for the copy-cat legislation, and it's called ALEC.
"And in the Northeast, arguably the country's most pro-choice region, the New Hampshire House voted Thursday to ban abortion after 20 weeks..."
No, the Northeast is not exactly reliably pro-choice any longer. CA has an A+ rating from NARAL--and we are going to keep it that way! Women AND men must fight back.
 
 
+8 # suzyskier 2012-04-03 13:44
Quoting Barbara K:
lin96 had a good idea. Let's boycott these states. Won't spend any vacation or visit time thee. Don't even spend a cent in their slimy states. We have the power of the purse too, let's use it.


I agree let's not buy anything from those states or visit them either. Gppd by Georgia Peaches and pecans! How much further are these "control freaks" willing to go. So obvious that they feel threatened by women,
 
 
+7 # Cdesignpdx 2012-04-03 13:45
Spoken with a Southern drawl, they are the Rot Wing.
 
 
+5 # AlexWolf 2012-04-03 13:46
http://www.unitewomen.org/
I have just one thing to say. Join us.
 
 
+16 # suzyskier 2012-04-03 13:50
This will only lead back to "Back Alley" abortions, there is no progress it is regress. These men are pathetic. What happened to all the progressive movements from the 70's? I think we all took our freedoms for granted while these misoganmists were busy plotting behind the scenes! Time for the left to wake up and defend our rights, no pun intended.
 
 
+8 # CL38 2012-04-03 15:29
I agree, but the American public and women, especially, have to do the same, and also get out and vote!
 
 
-6 # frankscott 2012-04-03 14:39
it's easy to knock fanatics and morons of the right wing of republicanism but these elements exist because of what the left(?) wing of democratism has never done:

engage the public - not simply a minority of lawyers and pressure groups to win court battles involving the smallest minorities - in a dialog and debate as to why women should control their own bodies, without nonsense about only rape or mental illness being grounds for that alleged control...

as long as large numbers of people are treated as unthinking swine, leaders will arise to mobilize them as such, while the glib elite call them names, revel in their minority super race status and suffer losses to be experienced by the majority they fictionally serve..
 
 
+5 # Torvus 2012-04-03 17:14
Absolutely right. But about half of the voting population is male, and I should imagine that only 5% are the tiniest bit interested in a woman calling a body her own. The remainder may bring down the spitting murderous wrath of their various religions against the idea. Not a politician's dream. What about ALL teenage boys by law having a reversible vasectomy until they are married and want children? (After all, real swine are castrated not long after birth.) How would men like THAT interference with their bodies?
 
 
+6 # pernsey 2012-04-03 16:07
There will be more Bubbah's born to keep the rednecks alive and voting for this stupidity!! Some people are just dumber then doors, this article makes me sick!
 
 
+7 # ranting citizen 2012-04-03 16:19
Abraham Lincoln, a Republican, led this country into a civil war to prevent it from being torn apart. The current crop of Republicans seems intent on leading it into another civil war to accomplish the opposite result.
 
 
+11 # bkrichmar@msn.com 2012-04-03 17:24
If men got pregnant abortion training would be required in grade school
 
 
+19 # Vermont Grandma 2012-04-03 17:57
howard1912's argument that no one should get an abortion after 20 weeks because they should have known they were pregnant and should have learned about problems with the viability of their baby before then means that someone who, like a close friend of mine, even if she had learned 19 weeks into her pregnancy that her child had such grave birth defects it would likely die before or soon after birth, that she couldn't take the time to get a second opinion, and make a thoughtful decision with her husband about how to proceed. This kind of law not only gets the government involved with medical decisions, but also pushes those forced with deciding whether to terminate a pregnancy to rush that terribly difficult decision. In the case of my friend, who actually learned of her baby's birth defects more that 20 weeks into her pregnancy, having time to think and consult and plan was an important factor in her and her husband being at peace with their decision. Let doctors be doctors and get the government out of the doctor's office and hospitals and clinics!
 
 
+19 # SuznS 2012-04-04 11:36
I know two women who were in the tragic situation of carrying a dead or dying fetus. One pregnancy ended with a medically induced miscarriage and the tragedy was mourned. The woman went on to have a health, happy child a year later. The second woman was not allowed to end the pregnancy and it ended at term, induced labor, assisted delivery. The severe psychological damage done her by carrying a dead fetus left her emotionally scarred, never chancing another pregnancy or much else. These are not "livestock", they are real women in tragic circumstances being used by Republicans for political games and pandering to their extreme base. Shame on them and any woman who votes for them.
 
 
-5 # rokdevil 2012-04-04 16:18
Actually, this is the American system working at its finest. In some states it is legal, in others not. I would guess that if the voters of Georgia are unhappy with their representatives actions they can vote them out, right?
I don't believe that the subject of abortion has any easy answers. I agree that women should have control of their bodies...but I also believe that the life of the fetus should become a consideration at some point.
 
 
+2 # Anarchist 23 2012-04-05 12:49
Quoting rokdevil:
Actually, this is the American system working at its finest. In some states it is legal, in others not. I would guess that if the voters of Georgia are unhappy with their representatives actions they can vote them out, right?
I don't believe that the subject of abortion has any easy answers. I agree that women should have control of their bodies...but I also believe that the life of the fetus should become a consideration at some point.

All very well and good-but so interesting that once a person is born they can suffer and die without any help whatsoever-with out housing, health care, jobs or protection from the law-check out your 'bill of rights' and see which ones you have left! Protect the fetus for what? suffering after it's born? Satanism!
 
 
+4 # Tigre1 2012-04-04 22:08
Hopeless. None of you seem to have much understanding of how the country got this far into stupidity, nor any plans of a workable nature.

Some of you may have seen the immensity of the problem foisted by the elder Koch, as he followed Joseph Stalin's orders to support rightwing causes in this country...yeah, and if you think this is spacey, why don't you do alittle biographical research? it's easy...you'll find out that with enough money and time HUGE seditionary treachery movements can grow and TAKE over even AMERICA...it's DONE.

Your DOJ, your SCOTUS... Koch subsidiaries... most certainly any and all GOP reps, property of Grover Norquist, ie, Koch Inc.

GIVE IT UP. You have NO legal recourse, and NONE of you are ready for the only methods of resistance left.
 
 
+4 # magdow 2012-04-04 22:59
I'm not saying abortion is right or wrong but I think that a free thinking person can decide if what they are going to do is right or wrong for them. They are trying to turn our ways of life back to some (good'old'day Fantasy) they have in their closed off minds.
 
 
+4 # Lizbeaux 2012-04-04 23:32
There are many philosophical arguments presented here, the most obvious I think being the definition of the word "life". Would you call it a "life" if a child were born, and brought out into the open air, having the disease which leaves a baby with no skin covering most of its body? A fetus can live to term with this disease, but seldom will live for long after its very painful delivery. How about if this would-be Childs life were to consist of not much more than pumping blood and producing excrement, and being passed around to the care of strangers who will probably take advantage of this heavily mentally challenged child in any way they can? Is that a life? Is it a life YOU would want to live?
 
 
+2 # Lizbeaux 2012-04-04 23:33
The second philosophical question that I noticed is this; if it is illegal for an abortion to be preformed after 20 Weeks in a way that does not deliver the fetus alive, then tell me this...is it better to preform a live abortion, of a very malformed, or just barely formed fetus, and then just let it die as slowly as it will in an incubater, which could take hours, or even days of terrible pain, given this unfounded theory that a fetus this undeveloped can consciously register pain? Or would it be better to relieve the fetus of its mortal coil in the comfortable setting of its mothers fluid filled uterus, quickly and cleanly? Is it better to act, to make the fetus die quickly,or is it better to do nothing and let the death be long and drawn out? Wouldn't this be considered torture for the mother? Furthermore, is it ethical to put a doctor in prison for ten years for doing the fOrmer?
 
 
+6 # ConcernedCitizen 2012-04-05 01:07
Point of information from our Vet. School at Oregon State U.: Dead fetuses do not trigger the birth process in the female that they are inside of. If the dead fetus is not removed, it will probably kill the famale.
 
 
+3 # robbie54 2012-04-05 10:11
All I can say is God bless America, because you guys will need it.
 
 
+5 # lpchiles 2012-04-05 10:47
This is not about abortion. It is about the blatant disregard of women as fully equal members of this society. Is this 1870? 1830? Are we competing to join the ranks of the hundreds of countries on this planet that do not value women at all? Read the Pulitzer Prize winning book HALF THE SKY. It is not a coincidence that this kind of legislation is being passed now in the land of equality. It is part of a global contagion.
 
 
+2 # Torvus 2012-04-05 14:10
There is no equality if the father of the unborn is not named (if the mother agrees). It is odd that male legislators who have voted for laws such as this have not been checked themselves on their stance: have they in the past ever been the cause of a woman's abortion taking place? Never underestimate the hypocrisy factor.
(Thanks for book title tip - will read.)
 
 
+2 # KrazyFromPolitics 2012-04-05 15:06
As a male, I never thought that I would suggest that all women, in the states where male dominated legislatures are passing these draconian and utterly stupid laws, should withhold all sexual activity until the "laws" are repealed. That won't happen, but I'm just saying. I can't believe that these people exist.
 
 
+3 # The Voice of Reason 2012-04-05 22:40
Just as an aside, and I am not telling anyone what to do or not do, since I only have an opinion, but can someone please explain to me in objective, non-hysterical terms how 'abortion as a form of birth control' is an advancement for women?

And it seems that the vast number of women seeking abortions results from their having unwanted pregnancies, which itself is preventable.

I won't go into the right's 'just say no' pointless approach, but isn't it time we asked ourselves 'Where has the sexual revolution led us? Are we really a more enlightened society, or are we simply pandering to base sexual appetites with no plan in mind?'

Again, you guys are free to pander if you like, I'm not saying it is inherently a bad idea. But I do think that once every 40 years or so we ought to at least try to take stock of what we stand for and hold it up to the light. Don't you think?
 
 
-3 # Capn Canard 2012-04-06 12:03
The Voice of Reason, I see here several mistakes but no worries, it is not our fault. We are all instructed to admire objective reasoning but paradoxically nearly all reasoning is subjective to the emotional turmoil of the experience of being alive. It is unavoidable...

Quoting The Voice of Reason:

And it seems that the vast number of women seeking abortions results from their having unwanted pregnancies, which itself is preventable.

I won't go into the right's 'just say no' pointless approach, but isn't it time we asked ourselves 'Where has the sexual revolution led us? Are we really a more enlightened society, or are we simply pandering to base sexual appetites with no plan in mind?'

Again, you guys are free to pander if you like, I'm not saying it is inherently a bad idea. But I do think that once every 40 years or so we ought to at least try to take stock of what we stand for and hold it up to the light. Don't you think?


Sexual revolution? A lie wrapped in deceptive sauce that was hardly a revolution. Women need a sexual revolution which weak men will shrink from.

I think, I THINK that we have made some tragic errors in assuming that others will do the right thing because there is a mandate that compels them to do the "right thing". If it were only that simple.
 
 
+2 # szq5777 2012-04-07 06:56
The mental midgets in the Georgia legislature should be bootesd out next election! Comparing a pregnant women to a cow is a vicious new low! The republicans are indeed the party from Hell! I can't call them Christians! I hope they pay for this insanity in November! I will proudly be voting for Obama
 
 
+2 # wghoots 2012-04-07 23:17
Does Mr. England know that on farms the male pigs are castrated a few weeks after their birth with only a few exceptions?
 
 
+2 # witchywoman 2012-04-18 14:37
I would tell the Georgia senate to kiss my @ss...not on the left side, not on the right side, but right smack in the middle...this is coming from one of your so-called "livestock"...b ite me!
 
 
0 # Brandiwyne1327 2012-10-27 14:29
I'm seeing a lot of hate for Southerners . . . Look, guys, the South may not have the best record when it comes to human rights, but you can't judge us all based on the decisions of a few Republicans twits. I, for one, am appalled by this, and will proudly be supporting Obama.
 

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