Klein writes: "Two of the five most profitable industries in the United States - the pharmaceuticals industry and the medical device industry - sell health care. With margins of almost 20 percent, they beat out even the financial sector for sheer profitability."
A number of medical procedures like MRIs are far less expensive in single-payer healthcare systems. (photo: Alamy)
Why an MRI Costs $1,080 in America and $280 in France
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here is a simple reason health care in the United States costs more than it does anywhere else: The prices are higher.
That may sound obvious. But it is, in fact, key to understanding one of the most pressing problems facing our economy. In 2009, Americans spent $7,960 per person on health care. Our neighbors in Canada spent $4,808. The Germans spent $4,218. The French, $3,978. If we had the per-person costs of any of those countries, America's deficits would vanish. Workers would have much more money in their pockets. Our economy would grow more quickly, as our exports would be more competitive.
There are many possible explanations for why Americans pay so much more. It could be that we're sicker. Or that we go to the doctor more frequently. But health researchers have largely discarded these theories. As Gerard Anderson, Uwe Reinhardt, Peter Hussey and Varduhi Petrosyan put it in the title of their influential 2003 study on international health-care costs, "it's the prices, stupid."
As it's difficult to get good data on prices, that paper blamed prices largely by eliminating the other possible culprits. They authors considered, for instance, the idea that Americans were simply using more health-care services, but on close inspection, found that Americans don't see the doctor more often or stay longer in the hospital than residents of other countries. Quite the opposite, actually. We spend less time in the hospital than Germans and see the doctor less often than the Canadians.
"The United States spends more on health care than any of the other OECD countries spend, without providing more services than the other countries do," they concluded. "This suggests that the difference in spending is mostly attributable to higher prices of goods and services."
On Friday, the International Federation of Health Plans - a global insurance trade association that includes more than 100 insurers in 25 countries - released more direct evidence. It surveyed its members on the prices paid for 23 medical services and products in different countries, asking after everything from a routine doctor's visit to a dose of Lipitor to coronary bypass surgery. And in 22 of 23 cases, Americans are paying higher prices than residents of other developed countries. Usually, we're paying quite a bit more. The exception is cataract surgery, which appears to be costlier in Switzerland, though cheaper everywhere else.
Prices don't explain all of the difference between America and other countries. But they do explain a big chunk of it. The question, of course, is why Americans pay such high prices - and why we haven't done anything about it.
"Other countries negotiate very aggressively with the providers and set rates that are much lower than we do," Anderson says. They do this in one of two ways. In countries such as Canada and Britain, prices are set by the government. In others, such as Germany and Japan, they're set by providers and insurers sitting in a room and coming to an agreement, with the government stepping in to set prices if they fail.
In America, Medicare and Medicaid negotiate prices on behalf of their tens of millions of members and, not coincidentally, purchase care at a substantial markdown from the commercial average. But outside that, it's a free-for-all. Providers largely charge what they can get away with, often offering different prices to different insurers, and an even higher price to the uninsured.
Health care is an unusual product in that it is difficult, and sometimes impossible, for the customer to say "no." In certain cases, the customer is passed out, or otherwise incapable of making decisions about her care, and the decisions are made by providers whose mandate is, correctly, to save lives rather than money.
In other cases, there is more time for loved ones to consider costs, but little emotional space to do so - no one wants to think there was something more they could have done to save their parent or child. It is not like buying a television, where you can easily comparison shop and walk out of the store, and even forgo the purchase if it's too expensive. And imagine what you would pay for a television if the salesmen at Best Buy knew that you couldn't leave without making a purchase.
"In my view, health is a business in the United States in quite a different way than it is elsewhere," says Tom Sackville, who served in Margaret Thatcher's government and now directs the IFHP. "It's very much something people make money out of. There isn't too much embarrassment about that compared to Europe and elsewhere."
The result is that, unlike in other countries, sellers of health-care services in America have considerable power to set prices, and so they set them quite high. Two of the five most profitable industries in the United States - the pharmaceuticals industry and the medical device industry - sell health care. With margins of almost 20 percent, they beat out even the financial sector for sheer profitability.
The players sitting across the table from them - the health insurers - are not so profitable. In 2009, their profit margins were a mere 2.2 percent. That's a signal that the sellers have the upper hand over the buyers.
This is a good deal for residents of other countries, as our high spending makes medical innovations more profitable. "We end up with the benefits of your investment," Sackville says. "You're subsidizing the rest of the world by doing the front-end research."
But many researchers are skeptical that this is an effective way to fund medical innovation. "We pay twice as much for brand-name drugs as most other industrialized countries," Anderson says. "But the drug companies spend only 12 percent of their revenues on innovation. So yes, some of that money goes to innovation, but only 12 percent of it."
And others point out that you also need to account for the innovations and investments that our spending on health care is squeezing out. "There are opportunity costs," says Reinhardt, an economist at Princeton. "The money we spend on health care is money we don't spend educating our children, or investing in infrastructure, scientific research and defense spending. So if what this means is we ultimately have overmedicalized, poorly educated Americans competing with China, that's not a very good investment."
But as simple an explanation as "the prices are higher" is, it is a devilishly difficult problem to fix. Those prices, for one thing, mean profits for a large number of powerful - and popular - industries. For another, centralized bargaining cuts across the grain of America's skepticism of government solutions. In the Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit, for instance, Congress expressly barred Medicare from negotiating the prices of drugs that it was paying for.
The 2010 health-reform law does little to directly address prices. It includes provisions forcing hospitals to publish their prices, which would bring more transparency to this issue, and it gives lawmakers more tools and more information they could use to address prices at some future date. The hope is that by gathering more data to find out which treatments truly work, the federal government will eventually be able to set prices based on the value of treatments, which would be easier than simply setting lower prices across-the-board. But this is, for the most part, a fight the bill ducked, which is part of the reason that even its most committed defenders don't think we'll be paying anything like what they're paying in other countries anytime soon.
"There is so much inefficiency in our system, that there's a lot of low-hanging fruit we can deal with before we get into regulating people's prices." says Len Nichols, director of the Center for Health Policy Research and Ethics at George Mason University. "Maybe, after we've cut waste for 10 years, we'll be ready to have a discussion over prices."
And some economists warn that though high prices help explain why America spends so much more on health care than other countries, cutting prices is no cure-all if it doesn't also cut the rate of growth. After all, if you drop prices by 20 percent, but health-care spending still grows by seven percent a year, you've wiped out the savings in three years.
Even so, Anderson says, "if I could change one thing in the United States to bring down total health expenditures, it would definitely be the prices."
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The WORLD is watching! And they are horrified.
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Of course they are. That's what police gangs do.
OWSers, camping so visably in front of city halls, state legislatures (i.e. Denver), highly populated central cities (New York, etc.) is an Advertising 101, ever so constantly spreading of potent word of mouth reminders of how badly we need American Revolution II to rid our 'democracy in the toilet', no longer liberty and justice for all country of the evil, greed and power addicted 1%.
Must be driving the villainaire rulers and their Kochsucking minions crazy that they are unable to 1. threaten with cop brutalization/t orture, 2. use MSDing (manipulation, spin, distraction) via non and little coverage of the story of this and the past few centuries, and end the OWS occupations.
All the 'mess' media's overcoverage of stupid ass pols, sex scandals in football settings (again, karlroving advertising 101 MSDing), and other MSDing non-news stories is not deflating vast interst in OWS.
The villainaires must be truly sweatin' it that this OWS word of mouth is overcoming their best buy 'em out & sell 'em out efforts, and could screw up more of their supposedly 'close' and in reality election frauded elections.
And do you, Michael K, really believe allowing a RePIG to be elected would make things better??? Obama is not anybody's "darlin" -- he's just the only person, at this time at least, that might keep from giving the abominable RePIGS the White House! Not voting at all, or voting a 3rd party candidate, will do just that -- give them the White House. Is that what you want?
My feelings are based on historical observations, not on anything Obama says or does. I know quite well what/who he is, and I do not like it. But I saw what happened in 2000 and 2004 -- the democratic vote was split by third party candidate, and you KNOW how that turned out! I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN AGAIN!!! I do not believe the country could survive having the Reprobates in charge for even one more term.
I totally agree with you on the need for a 3rd party. I just don't think it could happen in 2012 -- there's just not enough time. But 2016 -- now that's a different story, if OWS can just hold out and continue to grow until everybody in the 99% knows who they are and realizes they are themselves part of the 99%. OWS would have had ample time by then to become an actual party and have found a REAL candidate, somebody who is not one of the "establishment" but who will truly govern for the people, ALL of us, not just those who have money. Assuming Eliz Warren is not corrupted once she gets into Congress, she might well be the candidate, based on what I've heard out of her so far...maybe with Bernie as a running mate. Sure would like to see that happen!
This comment is not just stupid it is insane.
OWS is in some way connected to a drug deal gone bad in Oakland CA? This would be laughable if wern't so sad.
Every day our representatives just get crazier and crazier. It is the freaks at city hall that are dangerous not the folks out side.
-- and it's we, the 99%, who are paying the salaries of these politicians and police !
The cops well know who they serve and who they are beholden to. They aren't about to identify with the common people (with a few rare exceptions.)
Actually, Aggie, they are very much part of the 99%. According to Salarywizard.co m, the average salary of a full-time Officer in Oakland, CA is $56,951. Honestly, in California, that's not enough to raise a family on, and sure as hell not enough to buy loyalty. Cops are a unique breed, and whether good or bad, they all feel a unity with other cops, and are rather self-righteous about their jobs. THAT is why they continue to do the bidding of their oppressors. It's also why they put themselves in harm's way without a second thought. It has nothing to do with money at all, and sadly even good cops will continue to arrest Occupy members, simply because Occupy is breaking the law by camping in a public park. It doesn't make it right, but that's how it is. (Former wife of a good cop)
What's next 1%, setting up concentration camps?
This is our country, not yours. You don't own it. We do.
Yes - type in FEMA Camp in your search window and look through the links & videos. These are also referred to as Fusion Centers. I have known about these for a while and thought them to be Conspiracy Theory rhetoric but there is enough information to at least question their existence.
Along with voting out all politicians that support the 1% against We the People, we must also demand a repeal of Homeland Security/Patrio t Act as they make our Bill of Rights obsolete.
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Above are some of the good things FEMA does. I totally disagree with you. They have helped too many people I think you are mistaking them for some other "CAmp" made up by REpugs to discredit FEMA.
I still dont know positively about their locations & purpose but it is odd that an empty train repair station had over $2 million invested for gates/fencing & security camera's at a location out in the middle of nowhere in Indiana when there is no active/open business there.
This may all be BS but at this point I think it is better to be aware of the possibility rather than ignorant or in denial of their existence.
The only thing I am certain of is that our government is corrupt & lies to us daily. Their actions are not in the interest of We the People but for the Wall St/Mega-Corps they serve at our expense. 90% of the media is owned by 6 corporations (AOL/TW, Disney,Bertelsm en, Viacom, NewsCorp & NBS/Comcast) and they are all under the FCCs Clear Channel Communications control. We do not get the news from TV, Radio, papers - we get whatever BS we are being sold by Gov't/Bank-Corp s.
Isn't this why we are reading RSN & Daily Uncensored - to try and find the truth ? We must continue to educate/inform ourselves and keep searching.
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NOT ANY MORE!
"what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. ... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure." Thomas Jefferson
Well, FEMA or some other Gvt agency set up at least one barbed wire enclosed several city block "camp" @ Fort Indian Town Gap, PA. Supposedly to hold "terrorists". This is one of ten or so built in the wake of 911.]
Clearly, the protesters in Oakland are making a great impression--pow erful people are afraid of them. We can only hope that non-violent protest is not about to lead to summary executions.
NEVER EVER VOTE REPUBLICAN!!
GREAT JOB, Pernsey; you should put that on a T-Shirt or bumper-sticker. To echo your last line: NEVER, EVER VOTE REPUBLICAN (OR BLUE DOG DEMOCRAT) AGAIN!!!
"So even if the mayor wanted to do so (keep the camp in place), she cannot because she does not set policy for the city," Huen wrote. "The council does."
Excuse me but the people of Oakland set policy not the council. And everything else pertaining to the city. All power in vested in the people. Let's put this occupy movement to the vote. This includes a stay of hostilities between the city and the occupyers. Can I get an Amen?
The slogans "Yes we can" and "Change you can believe in" have become laughable.
Obamma is too busy serving his corporate massas to be concerned about helping to expose / control them. He is part of the PROBLEM.. HE IS THEM..Short of getting an HONEST, populist (not lip service populist-the real McCoy) even progressive majority in congress and all levels of gvt- local, state and federal- OR outright revolt I do not see how we can overcome the established, entrenched pay for play rules/persons now clearly in charge.
Obama wants this Occupy movement gone! The world is watching, and it's a thorn in Mr. Hope and Change's side. You know, the greatest country in the world with freedom and justice for all.
What part of this do you all not understand?
for the record: I'm not a Repuke or a Repuke plant. But I do know along with many others in this country that Democrats are complicit in all that has happened to we the people.
Democrats are not going to save the day.
As for Obama, he's as bad or worse than Bush.
Wake up!
Harry Truman - The buck stops here - is spinning in his grave. He was the man who recalled General Douglas MacArthur from Korea when there was a dispute - and constitutionall y, rightfully so. The military is always subject to the civilian authority in this country.
I am always thunderstruck by how many people in high offices know so little about our history, or even what was called "Civics", when I was going to school.
The leadership from bottom up crowd is doing just fine. What we want is no pundit, GOP/TP or Dem., to even try to get in the way of this movement.
We are looking at OUTRAGE that has been a long time coming and the so called Oakland leadership had better be careful what side of this thing they come down on.
The Country is watching and the World is watching.
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This statute makes it unlawful for two or more persons to conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person of any state, territory or district in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him/her by the Constitution or the laws of the United States, (or because of his/her having exercised the same).
It further makes it unlawful for two or more persons to go in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another with the intent to prevent or hinder his/her free exercise or enjoyment of any rights so secured.
Punishment varies from a fine or imprisonment of up to ten years, or both; and if death results, or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years, or for life, or may be sentenced to death.
That just about covers it, so where is the FBI?
I wonder who they work for...
I do believe that the police are being pushed to start rioting with OWS..
And it's time to stop blaming Obama and start blaming the right people like the mayors of these towns, they are the ones running the show in these towns and pushing these people to leave...Obama has his hands full fighting the repugs on every angle....MY opinon and I'm entitled to it.....respect me voice too here
The ones that want a third party, I'd like to know what ya'll think that is going to do to help our people...