Ben Farmer reports: "America and Afghanistan are close to signing a strategic pact which would allow thousands of United States troops to remain in the country until at least 2024. The agreement would allow not only military trainers to stay to build up the Afghan army and police, but also American special forces soldiers and air power to remain."
Army soldiers Kevin Yeatman and Sgt. James Horris, a firefight with the Taliban, and a cigarette, 10/28/09. (photo: John Moore/Getty/TIME)
US Troops May Stay in Afghanistan Until 2024
20 August 11
merica and Afghanistan are close to signing a strategic pact which would allow thousands of United States troops to remain in the country until at least 2024, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
The agreement would allow not only military trainers to stay to build up the Afghan army and police, but also American special forces soldiers and air power to remain.
The prospect of such a deal has already been met with anger among Afghanistan's neighbours including, publicly, Iran and, privately, Pakistan.
It also risks being rejected by the Taliban and derailing any attempt to coax them to the negotiating table, according to one senior member of Hamid Karzai's peace council.
A withdrawal of American troops has already begun following an agreement to hand over security for the country to Kabul by the end of 2014.
But Afghans wary of being abandoned are keen to lock America into a longer partnership after the deadline. Many analysts also believe the American military would like to retain a presence close to Pakistan, Iran and China.
Both Afghan and American officials said that they hoped to sign the pact before the Bonn Conference on Afghanistan in December. Barack Obama and Hamid Karzai agreed last week to escalate the negotiations and their national security advisers will meet in Washington in September.
Rangin Dadfar Spanta, Mr Karzai's top security adviser, told The Daily Telegraph that "remarkable progress" had been made. US officials have said they would be disappointed if a deal could not be reached by December and that the majority of small print had been agreed.
Dr Spanta said a longer-term presence was crucial not only to build Afghan forces, but also to fight terrorism.
"If [the Americans] provide us weapons and equipment, they need facilities to bring that equipment," he said. "If they train our police and soldiers, then those trainers will not be 10 or 20, they will be thousands.
"We know we will be confronted with international terrorists. 2014, is not the end of international terrorist networks and we have a common commitment to fight them. For this purpose also, the US needs facilities."
Afghan forces would still need support from US fighter aircraft and helicopters, he predicted. In the past, Washington officials have estimated a total of 25,000 troops may be needed.
Dr Spanta added: "In the Afghan proposal we are talking about 10 years from 2014, but this is under discussion." America would not be granted its own bases, and would be a guest on Afghan bases, he said. Pakistan and Iran were also deeply opposed to the deal.
Andrey Avetisyan, Russian ambassador to Kabul, said: "Afghanistan needs many other things apart from the permanent military presence of some countries. It needs economic help and it needs peace. Military bases are not a tool for peace.
"I don't understand why such bases are needed. If the job is done, if terrorism is defeated and peace and stability is brought back, then why would you need bases?
"If the job is not done, then several thousand troops, even special forces, will not be able to do the job that 150,000 troops couldn't do. It is not possible."
A complete withdrawal of foreign troops has been a precondition for any Taliban negotiations with Mr Karzai's government and the deal would wreck the currently distant prospect of a negotiated peace, Mr Avetisyan said.
Abdul Hakim Mujahid, deputy leader of the peace council set up by Mr Karzai to seek a settlement, said he suspected the Taliban had intensified their insurgency in response to the prospect of the pact. "They want to put pressure on the world community and Afghan government," he said.
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US Troops May Stay in Afghanistan Until 2024? what a bad joke ...
Sure like the CCCP empire ... 25 years ago - USA is BROKE - Putin must be laughing!
If the current drain on the national treasury continues, there will be no United States by 2024.
AMEN!!!
within the next 4 years there will be no USA as we know it now (or better as we knew it before Reagan ..) - we are already half way there - road to totality/serfdom.
Nation building over there while OUR infrastructure is an accident waiting to happen, police officers here are getting layed off & pay for our troops HAS BEEN CUT YET AGAIN!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS: BRING THEM HOME NOW!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/01/baghdad-church-siege-survivors-speak
As early as 2004 Iraqi Christians were telling Americans that things had become worse than they were under Saddam. Meanwhile, pro-Western, Democracy-oriented Iraqis were being ignored by the American government (Ibrahim Al Shawi for instance).
Be Well,
Bob Griffin
The "flying bullets" are the reason we are allowed to stay. Take away our bullets and the locals will let us know how much we're "helping them" pretty quickly.
Now your "perspective" is pretty obvious.
How long do you think you'd stay without your multi-trillion dollar taxpayer funded body guard?
I noticed you evaded my question with another completely lame snarky comment.
I think you have no idea what goes on outside the coffee shop where the board of directors meet.
Let me give you a couple other examples of what the military "did for the Iraqi people":
1. colonized their country, and stole their oil to enrich bush's friends and war profiteers such as yourself,
2. tortured their people while lecturing the world about human rights,
3. invaded their country and killed over a million people for a reason that still hasn't been stated. It sure as hell wasn't "weapons of mass destruction", was it?
Your motives are pretty transparent. You have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO LECTURE ANYONE ABOUT "SERVICE" TO OUR COUNTRY.
The greatest service we could have is to force people like you to live in Iraq permanently and make you pay back all of the tax dollars you personally profited from. The next great service to our country would be to make scam artist war profiteers like you accountable for your actions in our name.
SPARE US THE PHONY PATRIOTIC B.S. NOBODY'S BUYING IT EXCEPT WHOEVER'S PAYING YOU TO POST.
Your comments above are those I have repeated endless but it falls on deaf ears, just as any defense of Libya and any good there, as health care, etc., regardless of past policies or whatever. The U.S. and their allies are destabilizing numerous countries and it WILL come back to haunt and bite.
The fact is, these young men and women were ordered to do atrocious deeds while individuals like you, GWBush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell and all the Generals and Colonels washed their hands of the the blood bath and war criminality that was Iraq.
Yes, I guess it's alright for people like you to just look the other way and let our young men come back and commit suicide.
How to get the troops home? More windmills, solar cells, tidal power. Less need for oil, less war to control the planet's oil supply.
Try to change the subject all you like, but you know that's what Regina was talking about.
Speaking of "messianic prophets", what do you think of the "New Apostolic Reformation" loonies, who support perry and C CALL THEMSELVES "PROPHETS"?
By the way, I know some people from New Orleans. They claim evangelicals tried to manipulate the situation for personal profit. If you asked Hatian or Somalis, I suspect you'd get the answer that's statistically correct, that Europeans are FAR more generous.
Maybe some evangelicals helped you purchase your yacht, but most of them think Katrina was God's punishment to the "lazy" blacks living in New Orleans, and think Haiti and Somalia are none of our business - afterall, they have no OIL.
I love asking right wingers that question. It NEVER gets answered.
What a surprise! A repugnican thinks people on this thread voted wrong! You're an ineffective troll. I hope you're paid well.
The facts are staring you right in the face and you still deny it.
Our "once great country" is facing some terrible times in the future. It's already in a political struggle against what it stood for.
2012, Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann will see to that while the American people look the other way.
Lies, deception, chaos, dysfunctional government is, after all, a virtue with the Republicans and the GOP.
And most importantly, how can we afford this when our own Congress is looking to take benefits from its own citizens??
But our members in Congress are nevertheless screaming about the deficit, castling not for cuts to the war machine, but to entitlement programs!
We need to get out of Afghanistan yesterday not tomorrow.
Our so called leaders, on both sides of the aisle and our Commander-in-Chief, simply don't get it or simply don't give a damn.
Since none of our leaders in Washington fail to understand what we want, let's TTBO (Throw the Bums Out) and get some people in Washington who understand we are sick and tired of watching our fine young men and women die needlessly in their ventures in to foreign affairs. It's time for our representatives to grow up and quit acting like spoiled children playing "King of the Mountain" and do what they were elected to do-represent their constituents.
This is beyond simply a misunderstandin g, it is asine.
Let's get rid of these failures in Washington and bring our fine young men and women home.
"MOM, IS YOUR KID READY TO DIE FOR US DURING THE NEXT 14 YEARS?????"
It's a colony.
These comments came from someone who was multiple draftdodger during the Vietnam War but didn't mind sending our sons daugthers to go fight, die and commit some of the most horrific war crimes in the History of the US!
Now we are having a war generation of young men committing suicide while the Defense Department just look the other way.
As long as those like Donald Rumsfeld, GW Bush and Dick Cheney are not brought to justice by the people of the United States, the nation shall not atone for it crimes against humanity.
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