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Ben Farmer reports: "America and Afghanistan are close to signing a strategic pact which would allow thousands of United States troops to remain in the country until at least 2024. The agreement would allow not only military trainers to stay to build up the Afghan army and police, but also American special forces soldiers and air power to remain."

Army soldiers Kevin Yeatman and Sgt. James Horris, a firefight with the Taliban, and a cigarette, 10/28/09. (photo: John Moore/Getty/TIME)
Army soldiers Kevin Yeatman and Sgt. James Horris, a firefight with the Taliban, and a cigarette, 10/28/09. (photo: John Moore/Getty/TIME)



US Troops May Stay in Afghanistan Until 2024

By Ben Farmer, Telegraph UK

20 August 11

 

merica and Afghanistan are close to signing a strategic pact which would allow thousands of United States troops to remain in the country until at least 2024, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

The agreement would allow not only military trainers to stay to build up the Afghan army and police, but also American special forces soldiers and air power to remain.

The prospect of such a deal has already been met with anger among Afghanistan's neighbours including, publicly, Iran and, privately, Pakistan.

It also risks being rejected by the Taliban and derailing any attempt to coax them to the negotiating table, according to one senior member of Hamid Karzai's peace council.

A withdrawal of American troops has already begun following an agreement to hand over security for the country to Kabul by the end of 2014.

But Afghans wary of being abandoned are keen to lock America into a longer partnership after the deadline. Many analysts also believe the American military would like to retain a presence close to Pakistan, Iran and China.

Both Afghan and American officials said that they hoped to sign the pact before the Bonn Conference on Afghanistan in December. Barack Obama and Hamid Karzai agreed last week to escalate the negotiations and their national security advisers will meet in Washington in September.

Rangin Dadfar Spanta, Mr Karzai's top security adviser, told The Daily Telegraph that "remarkable progress" had been made. US officials have said they would be disappointed if a deal could not be reached by December and that the majority of small print had been agreed.

Dr Spanta said a longer-term presence was crucial not only to build Afghan forces, but also to fight terrorism.

"If [the Americans] provide us weapons and equipment, they need facilities to bring that equipment," he said. "If they train our police and soldiers, then those trainers will not be 10 or 20, they will be thousands.

"We know we will be confronted with international terrorists. 2014, is not the end of international terrorist networks and we have a common commitment to fight them. For this purpose also, the US needs facilities."

Afghan forces would still need support from US fighter aircraft and helicopters, he predicted. In the past, Washington officials have estimated a total of 25,000 troops may be needed.

Dr Spanta added: "In the Afghan proposal we are talking about 10 years from 2014, but this is under discussion." America would not be granted its own bases, and would be a guest on Afghan bases, he said. Pakistan and Iran were also deeply opposed to the deal.

Andrey Avetisyan, Russian ambassador to Kabul, said: "Afghanistan needs many other things apart from the permanent military presence of some countries. It needs economic help and it needs peace. Military bases are not a tool for peace.

"I don't understand why such bases are needed. If the job is done, if terrorism is defeated and peace and stability is brought back, then why would you need bases?

"If the job is not done, then several thousand troops, even special forces, will not be able to do the job that 150,000 troops couldn't do. It is not possible."

A complete withdrawal of foreign troops has been a precondition for any Taliban negotiations with Mr Karzai's government and the deal would wreck the currently distant prospect of a negotiated peace, Mr Avetisyan said.

Abdul Hakim Mujahid, deputy leader of the peace council set up by Mr Karzai to seek a settlement, said he suspected the Taliban had intensified their insurgency in response to the prospect of the pact. "They want to put pressure on the world community and Afghan government," he said.

 

 

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+30 # Paul A. Riseman 2011-08-20 08:43
WTF? Someone in our government is using way to much of Afghanistan's poppy crop??
 
 
+39 # Ryan Langemeyer 2011-08-20 08:51
Endless war; endless Military-Industrial-Complex sucking off the teat of the American public; endless killing of civilians; endless "Patriots" in Washington pounding their chests and lying through their teeth; WTF!!!!!!!! R-E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N !
 
 
+38 # minmouse 2011-08-20 09:06
and just who is paying for all this, the American people?I don't think sooo. enough is enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see riots in our streets.It is time to bring the troops home and keep our money here instead of throwing it over there, for what? a corup government.
 
 
+32 # Activista 2011-08-20 09:33
"American military would like to retain a presence close to Pakistan, Iran and China"

US Troops May Stay in Afghanistan Until 2024? what a bad joke ...

Sure like the CCCP empire ... 25 years ago - USA is BROKE - Putin must be laughing!
 
 
+16 # Carolyn 2011-08-20 09:35
Another plan ready to be brought forth to confuse the American public. Obama is a clever man, a good talker, and a man without principles.
 
 
+11 # in deo veritas 2011-08-20 11:10
It's not Obama. If any of the other nuts were in office, it would be the same story. Besides the Pentagram (not misspelling but what it really is) runs the show to do the bidding of the "defense contractors". Also I really hate to agree with iran or Pakistan about anything but I agree-we want our people out of Afghanistan and Iraq and back home!
 
 
+28 # DaveM 2011-08-20 09:42
Does no one recall the experience of the British Empire, particularly in Afghanistan?

If the current drain on the national treasury continues, there will be no United States by 2024.
 
 
+5 # rtrues54 2011-08-20 13:37
Quoting
Does no one recall the experience of the British Empire, particularly in Afghanistan?

If the current drain on the national treasury continues, there will be no United States by 2024.




AMEN!!!
 
 
+10 # Activista 2011-08-20 14:40
Quoting
Does no one recall the experience of the British Empire, particularly in Afghanistan?

If the current drain on the national treasury continues, there will be no United States by 2024.


within the next 4 years there will be no USA as we know it now (or better as we knew it before Reagan ..) - we are already half way there - road to totality/serfdom.
 
 
+19 # Byronator 2011-08-20 09:44
What a great spot to set up the nexus of America's unsustainable military empire in Asia/Middle East -- Afghanistan! The American people are so grateful for this privilege. Any agreement reached with the Karzai government is written in the desert sand anyway.
 
 
+14 # Barbara K 2011-08-20 09:58
Geez, let them take care of their own problems, we have problems here to take care of, and we just cannot afford to lose any more of America's Finest or any more of our treasure over there. Americans are being asked to struggle and sacrifice for this? NO WAY; tell me this is just a bad dream, please, someone.
 
 
+16 # Regina 2011-08-20 09:59
"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread" -- this is the ultimate ghastly bonanza of Bushism. It was insane to invade Afghanistan in the first place -- the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis, not Afghans, irrespective of their HQ. Furthermore, they had lived and plotted and prepared within the U.S. without effective FBI surveillance -- they could and should have been caught and stopped. But the lowly field agent who blew the whistle on their strange request to be trained only for steering planes, not takeoff and landing, was ignored by the hotshots at the top. Our warriors are dead and maimed for our insanity, not the Afghans' reactions. (The Iraq invasion was even crazier Bushism. And of course W was not operating solo.)
 
 
+11 # Ozric 2011-08-20 10:00
Vomit....wipe...flush...reapeat...
 
 
+11 # midwegian 2011-08-20 10:00
Have you noticed that the people who decide whether or not to leave 'our troops' in Afghanistan and other foreign hot spots are not the people who end up going, or who send their children to fight? These citizens being sent to the Middle East are the same guys and gals who are were struggling to stay alive BEFORE they went into the war zones. Another question: Why would they want to bring them home? All they'll do is struggle to find work, thereby increasing the ratio of applicants for non-existent jobs. Last question: What's with the cigarettes prominent in the photo accompanying the article? Is war not dangerous enough? Or, is the point to inculcate a habit likely to further decimate this young, predominately male population if they manage to survive the war? Is this really about Afghanistan at all?
 
 
+15 # usedtobesupermom 2011-08-20 10:14
I've been saying for years now that we won't be leaving anytime soon. Not with the oil pipeline that's supposed to run through there, or the untapped silver, copper, gold, precious gems, etc..
Nation building over there while OUR infrastructure is an accident waiting to happen, police officers here are getting layed off & pay for our troops HAS BEEN CUT YET AGAIN!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS: BRING THEM HOME NOW!!
 
 
+9 # angryspittle 2011-08-20 10:36
No they won't. The empire will crater in bankruptcy and failure long before that.
 
 
+10 # fredboy 2011-08-20 10:43
So we will pledge to spend another 13 years or more to secure the nation that is the world supplier of heroin? While our own nation is reportedly plagued by a heroin epidemic?
 
 
+9 # futhark 2011-08-20 11:18
Oil and heroin are the two commodities that keep the American military engaged in the Middle East, both at the behest of the financial market and "intelligence" "communities" (aka neo-con plutocrats). Of course they want to direct policies that keep the American public footing the bill for the advantages they enjoy from heroin-fueled slush funds, cheap petroleum, and the exercise of life-and-death over millions of hapless people. And don't expect the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize laureate is going to do anything to change this.
 
 
+11 # chizables 2011-08-20 10:49
That is no surprise at all. Don't we have like 12 brand new military bases there - not to mention the Green Zone? Why would we want to throw away the billions of dollars we gave to Halliburton & Co. to build all that? We need to keep paying them to maintain all these new buildings and such. We can't not give our billionaire defense contractors/corporations more and more of our tax dollars. How would they continue to make their exorbitant profits if we left? It is all insane but no surprise to me at all.
 
 
+7 # chizables 2011-08-20 10:52
Whoops! In most post, I was mistakenly talking of Iraq but all the same can probably said about Afghanistan...
 
 
-15 # Joeconserve 2011-08-20 11:43
I would love to see you guys take bus trip up and down the streets of, say, Baghdad and watch what our military does for the people. All you read about are flying bullets. None of you have a clue about interaction that takes place. My year in Iraq tells me you guys don't know nothing except what goes around the Starbucks latte table.
 
 
+4 # Bob Griffin 2011-08-20 15:43
The American troops didn't DO this, but it would NEVER have been allowed under Saddam (who was admittedly a dispicable tyrant)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/01/baghdad-church-siege-survivors-speak
As early as 2004 Iraqi Christians were telling Americans that things had become worse than they were under Saddam. Meanwhile, pro-Western, Democracy-oriented Iraqis were being ignored by the American government (Ibrahim Al Shawi for instance).
Be Well,
Bob Griffin
 
 
+4 # billy bob 2011-08-21 06:27
What do you say to veterans who were stuck over their LONGER than a year and disagree with you completely?

The "flying bullets" are the reason we are allowed to stay. Take away our bullets and the locals will let us know how much we're "helping them" pretty quickly.
 
 
-3 # Joeconserve 2011-08-21 10:59
I was a civilian working directly with the Iraqi people so I have a different perspective.
 
 
+3 # billy bob 2011-08-21 11:56
So you're a "contractor"/ profiteer? Or do you work for Red Cross? I have a feeling it's the former rather than the latter.

Now your "perspective" is pretty obvious.

How long do you think you'd stay without your multi-trillion dollar taxpayer funded body guard?
 
 
-2 # Joeconserve 2011-08-22 02:59
As I've said before you and your group haven't a clue about what goes on in the world outside the latte table.
 
 
+1 # billy bob 2011-08-22 06:23
I've never had a latte in my life. I have 4 uncles and 2 aunts who were veterans. My dad is a veteran who served in every major battle of the European theater during WWII. My brother served in Viet Nam. One of my uncles is a retired major from the air force.

I noticed you evaded my question with another completely lame snarky comment.

I think you have no idea what goes on outside the coffee shop where the board of directors meet.
 
 
-2 # Joeconserve 2011-08-22 07:51
I notice that you did not mention your service in the military. Let me give a small example of what the military did for the Iraqi people. They collected as much of Saddam's weaponry as they could find. We blew it up at the rate of about a thousand tons per day. There was still about 2 years of the stuff left to blow up when I left.
 
 
0 # billy bob 2011-08-22 09:18
I noticed you didn't mention your service in the military either. I also noticed that you didn't ask if any of my relatives suffered PTSD as a reward for their service in the military. I also noticed that you didn't ask if I thought it was a good idea to "serve" in the military when it is being outsourced as a private army for the profit of the oil industry.

Let me give you a couple other examples of what the military "did for the Iraqi people":

1. colonized their country, and stole their oil to enrich bush's friends and war profiteers such as yourself,

2. tortured their people while lecturing the world about human rights,

3. invaded their country and killed over a million people for a reason that still hasn't been stated. It sure as hell wasn't "weapons of mass destruction", was it?

Your motives are pretty transparent. You have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO LECTURE ANYONE ABOUT "SERVICE" TO OUR COUNTRY.

The greatest service we could have is to force people like you to live in Iraq permanently and make you pay back all of the tax dollars you personally profited from. The next great service to our country would be to make scam artist war profiteers like you accountable for your actions in our name.

SPARE US THE PHONY PATRIOTIC B.S. NOBODY'S BUYING IT EXCEPT WHOEVER'S PAYING YOU TO POST.
 
 
-2 # Joeconserve 2011-08-22 09:59
I didn't realize how high some people would jump a conclusion. You've got the record.
 
 
+1 # billy bob 2011-08-22 10:14
Spoken like a TRUE latte drinker.
 
 
+3 # ALinSTL 2011-08-21 16:29
AND JUST THINK, IF NONE OF YOU HAD EVER BEEN THERE THEY'D STILL HAVE CONTINUOUS ELECTRICITY, SEWAGE, RUNNING WATER, ROADS W/O CHECKPOINTS, TELEPHONES SYSTEMS, TV, ALL LEVELS OF EDUCATION, MUSEUMS & NOT ANY CHANCE TO BEING IMPRISONED, TORTURED, MAIMED, INFECTED, RAPED OR MURDERED BY FOREIGNERS...THANK HEAVENS YOU WERE THERE TO PREVENT ANY OF THIS. YOU BUILD A SCHOOL FOR KIDS WHOSE HOMES & VILLAGES YOU DESTROYED, WHOSE FAMILIES YOU KILLED & YOU THINK YOU DID GOOD...
 
 
+1 # Glen 2011-08-22 07:00
ALinSTL, I like your all caps postings. It reflects the anger in us all.

Your comments above are those I have repeated endless but it falls on deaf ears, just as any defense of Libya and any good there, as health care, etc., regardless of past policies or whatever. The U.S. and their allies are destabilizing numerous countries and it WILL come back to haunt and bite.
 
 
0 # foxtrottango 2011-08-25 07:29
The highest number of suicides of any war are those young men coming out of the illegal war with Iraq. The DOD is keeping it secret for obvious reasons. Yeah, you don't wish to see it and perhaps even deny those facts, but those children and wives they are living behind do.

The fact is, these young men and women were ordered to do atrocious deeds while individuals like you, GWBush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell and all the Generals and Colonels washed their hands of the the blood bath and war criminality that was Iraq.

Yes, I guess it's alright for people like you to just look the other way and let our young men come back and commit suicide.
 
 
+8 # Yakpsyche 2011-08-20 11:49
Ha, ha, ha! Stay till 2024 indeed! If they're there that long they'll never pull out.

How to get the troops home? More windmills, solar cells, tidal power. Less need for oil, less war to control the planet's oil supply.
 
 
-2 # Yachtsman 2011-08-20 12:28
Folks, do you realize that you are complaining about the actions of your messianic prophet of hope and change? Please don't let him fool you again in November 2012. Remember what they say about being fooled a second time. Besides, this once great county cannot withdstand four more years.
 
 
+3 # Regina 2011-08-20 13:51
And you think any of the Republibrats is a better choice? The messianic prophets of greed and evangelism? The dumbbums who think the Soviet Union is now arising, visibly from Alaska's porches?
 
 
-5 # Yachtsman 2011-08-20 18:47
Regina -- I thought both race AND religion were not to be the reason to discriminate. You must think it's fine to sterotype a person by this religion but not his race or sexual preferences.
 
 
+2 # billy bob 2011-08-21 06:20
Is it "stereotyping" to quote what a person actually says? The greedy evangelistas are represented by people like perry and bachmann. Do you disagree with that fact?
 
 
-2 # Yachtsman 2011-08-21 16:31
Are you saying that someone called themselves "greedy evangelicals". I don't think so. In fact evangelicals are some of the most generous people on earth. Just ask the people of Haiti, Somalia, New Orleans to name a few.
 
 
0 # billy bob 2011-08-21 21:29
I'm saying that bachmann thinks the Soviet Union is still in existence. I'm saying that perry thinks evolution and global warming are unproven.

Try to change the subject all you like, but you know that's what Regina was talking about.

Speaking of "messianic prophets", what do you think of the "New Apostolic Reformation" loonies, who support perry and C CALL THEMSELVES "PROPHETS"?

By the way, I know some people from New Orleans. They claim evangelicals tried to manipulate the situation for personal profit. If you asked Hatian or Somalis, I suspect you'd get the answer that's statistically correct, that Europeans are FAR more generous.

Maybe some evangelicals helped you purchase your yacht, but most of them think Katrina was God's punishment to the "lazy" blacks living in New Orleans, and think Haiti and Somalia are none of our business - afterall, they have no OIL.
 
 
+1 # ALinSTL 2011-08-21 15:50
NO, STEREOTYPING BY LEVELS OF STUPIDITY HAS ALWAYS WORKED FROM THE DAWN OF MANKIND...CONSIDER: BUSH, PALIN, McCAIN,& THE REPUBLICANT CLOWNS RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY...THEY ARE LIKE THE MONTY PYTHON LOONIES PARTICIPATING IN ATHLETIC COMPETITIONS...A BUNCH OF MA-ROONS!!!!
 
 
0 # billy bob 2011-08-21 06:21
Who do YOU plan to vote for?

I love asking right wingers that question. It NEVER gets answered.
 
 
-2 # Yachtsman 2011-08-21 16:39
Sorry to disappoint you bb. It's a bit early to be picking candidates unless you've already decided that you want four more years of increasing debt, high unemployment, endless wars, plunging stock markets and ever increasing government regulations. All the other choices deserve to be examined more thoroughly to determine who can most surely bring this country back to its constitutional principles.
 
 
-1 # billy bob 2011-08-21 21:32
You didn't disappoint me at all. You answered exactly the way I expected you to.

What a surprise! A repugnican thinks people on this thread voted wrong! You're an ineffective troll. I hope you're paid well.
 
 
0 # Joeconserve 2011-08-22 04:25
Yachtsman said it right.
 
 
0 # billy bob 2011-08-22 08:18
What did the yacht owner say right? Be specific.
 
 
+2 # ALinSTL 2011-08-21 15:42
IT WAS 8 YEARS UNDER YOUR BRAND OF POLITICAL SCUM THAT GOT US THERE...YOUR ILK IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR 4400+ MURDERS OF AMERICAN KIDS & HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS FOR AN ILLEGAL WAR & THE GROWING BODY COUNTS IN AFGHANISTAN...NOW YOU WANT 13 YEARS MORE OF MURDERING AMERICAN KIDS UNDER ONE OF THOSE TRUELY DIMMWITTED CLOWNS YOU THINK ARE CAPABLE PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATES. IT WAS 8 YEARS OF YOUR FECES THAT DESCIMATED WHAT AMERICA WAS...THE LAST 2.5 YEARS HAS PROVED YOU REPUKES ARE WORSE THAN AL-QUEDA IN DESTROYING AMERICA...YOU'RE THE "NEW COMMIES" WE NEED TO FEAR.
 
 
0 # foxtrottango 2011-08-25 07:59
Two of the evils in our society are fundamental dogma religion and the Judicial system which favor disunity, war mongering, corruption especially in the Republican Party.

The facts are staring you right in the face and you still deny it.

Our "once great country" is facing some terrible times in the future. It's already in a political struggle against what it stood for.

2012, Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann will see to that while the American people look the other way.

Lies, deception, chaos, dysfunctional government is, after all, a virtue with the Republicans and the GOP.
 
 
+10 # walt 2011-08-20 12:47
All should be asking why nation building in Afghanistan should be funded by the USA and also why we should be using our military for this mission. How is this considered as "defending the country?"
And most importantly, how can we afford this when our own Congress is looking to take benefits from its own citizens??
 
 
+12 # Bill Clements 2011-08-20 12:55
The death knell for "Hope and Change We Can Believe In?" Honestly, it's obvious that the American people are going to have to take this one to the streets just like they did back when we were mired in Vietnam.

But our members in Congress are nevertheless screaming about the deficit, castling not for cuts to the war machine, but to entitlement programs!
 
 
+8 # Bracero 2011-08-20 13:00
Congratulations , we have once again fallen victim to one of Washington's and our original founders greatest fears becoming involved in foreign entanglements.
We need to get out of Afghanistan yesterday not tomorrow.
Our so called leaders, on both sides of the aisle and our Commander-in-Chief, simply don't get it or simply don't give a damn.
Since none of our leaders in Washington fail to understand what we want, let's TTBO (Throw the Bums Out) and get some people in Washington who understand we are sick and tired of watching our fine young men and women die needlessly in their ventures in to foreign affairs. It's time for our representatives to grow up and quit acting like spoiled children playing "King of the Mountain" and do what they were elected to do-represent their constituents.
This is beyond simply a misunderstandin g, it is asine.
Let's get rid of these failures in Washington and bring our fine young men and women home.
 
 
+2 # ALinSTL 2011-08-21 16:08
JUST NEED TO HAVE ALL SERVICE RECRUITMENT COMMERCIALS & POSTERS FROM NOW ON TO SAY:

"MOM, IS YOUR KID READY TO DIE FOR US DURING THE NEXT 14 YEARS?????"
 
 
+3 # jerryball 2011-08-20 14:45
If this replacement surge includes the GOP bums in Congress and Senate, count me in. They seem to be the clog in the works with their Minstrel Tamborine show of stupidity intransigency. Call Roto Rooters and flush all the bums out.
 
 
+1 # Bob Marshall 2011-08-20 14:52
www.addictedtowar.com
 
 
0 # punk 2011-08-20 16:06
i dont think its likely the usa will ever give up its ability to 'influence' afghanistan. it creates a containment of chinese and russian power. i think the best hope is to try to 'influence' in a way that benefits the afghans and allows them as much control over their own affairs as possible. but we wont ever leave- kind of like a bad smell.
 
 
+1 # billy bob 2011-08-21 06:24
It also "contains" that huge pipeline AND the highest concentration of mineral wealth anywhere on Earth.

It's a colony.
 
 
+2 # ALinSTL 2011-08-21 16:12
NEXT STEP IS HANDING OUT THE BLANKETS CARRYING SMALL POX...
 
 
+1 # billy bob 2011-08-21 21:33
That's not far from the truth.
 
 
+3 # Foxtrottango 2011-08-21 09:22
As Donald Rumsfeld, temporary secretary of Defense during the GW Bush Administration said at the beginning of the second Iraq war, "it creates jobs."

These comments came from someone who was multiple draftdodger during the Vietnam War but didn't mind sending our sons daugthers to go fight, die and commit some of the most horrific war crimes in the History of the US!

Now we are having a war generation of young men committing suicide while the Defense Department just look the other way.

As long as those like Donald Rumsfeld, GW Bush and Dick Cheney are not brought to justice by the people of the United States, the nation shall not atone for it crimes against humanity.
 
 
+3 # minkdumink 2011-08-21 12:07
the worlds biggest lithium deposits are there,not to mention the worlds heroin supply,thats why we are staying,all the rest is BS.
 
 
+1 # billy bob 2011-08-21 12:51
You absolutely right, but don't forget the pipeline.
 
 
+1 # qasee 2011-08-22 02:56
US Troops May Stay in Afghanistan Until 2024? If it was only that....Hell, we're still in Germany and Japan!
 
 
+1 # billy bob 2011-08-22 06:25
Yes, but we didn't colonize Germany and Japan. In fact, they want us there.
 
 
+1 # foxtrottango 2011-08-22 07:03
Yes, indeed. They are properous and wealthly and now they loan money to us while we are broke. It a different form of "re-colonization", isn't it?
 
 
+1 # billy bob 2011-08-22 08:20
Of course. We can't afford the kind of prosperity we've helped them create for themselves. We're too busy spending our entire budget policing the world.
 

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