RSN Fundraising Banner
FB Share
Email This Page
add comment

Rachel Maddow, with guest Naomi Klein, looks at Michigan Governor Rick Snyder's plans for Michigan that make what happened in Wisconsin look tame. -- ma/RSN

Rachel Maddow: Michigan's Dystopian (Corporate Republican) Future

Rachel Maddow, The Rachel Maddow Show/MSNBC

20 March 11

Stand In Solidarity With the Workers of Wisconsin your social media marketing partner


A note of caution regarding our comment sections:

For months a stream of media reports have warned of coordinated propaganda efforts targeting political websites based in the U.S., particularly in the run-up to the 2016 presidential election.

We too were alarmed at the patterns we were, and still are, seeing. It is clear that the provocateurs are far more savvy, disciplined, and purposeful than anything we have ever experienced before.

It is also clear that we still have elements of the same activity in our article discussion forums at this time.

We have hosted and encouraged reader expression since the turn of the century. The comments of our readers are the most vibrant, best-used interactive feature at Reader Supported News. Accordingly, we are strongly resistant to interrupting those services.

It is, however, important to note that in all likelihood hardened operatives are attempting to shape the dialog our community seeks to engage in.

Adapt and overcome.

Marc Ash
Founder, Reader Supported News

+46 # sebastiangerard 2011-03-20 22:32
Naomi nails it. Of course, Obama, doesn't get it.
+27 # Mark Proulx 2011-03-20 23:26
Not only does Obama not get it, he isn't even in the same Zip Code as getting it.
-78 # rock 2011-03-21 09:03
Yep! Naomi nailed it all right! Did you notice the hysteria in her voice when she quoted Scott Walker as saying "This is our moment to change the course of history?" Now that is just plain wrong. Everybody knows nobody but the Left gets to change the course of history. Second most brilliant insight was when she reported her discovery that "Unions are a Political Force." This show just reeks of Title 9.
+22 # Capn Canard 2011-03-21 10:35
Wow, "rock", your post sure does make you seem very bitter ...and lonely. lol Perhaps if you had an coherent response to Klein and Maddow.
+29 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2011-03-21 11:42
As any objective person would assert, there WAS no hysteria in her voice, and her reiteration of unions as a political force was just that — a reiteration to attempt to explain this to people who haven't grasped this yet — people who call themselves "Rock," for example. Too bad her efforts at spoon-feeding the facts were lost upon you.
+9 # AndreM5 2011-03-21 14:02
That's OK, Rock. Maybe you will get that job as a paid Troll for the RNC afterall.
+19 # DaveW 2011-03-21 15:24
rock, "This show just reeks of Title 9"
Just when we thought it was safe he's crawled out from under his "rock" again. Misogyny to add to your other erroneous observations and opinions? Smart women ALWAYS frighten the hell out of, how can I say this tactfully, "intellectually challenged" men. You're getting your "thumbs down" which equates to your thrill of the day so go ahead and crawl back under that dazed dome you call home.
+81 # DaveW 2011-03-20 23:42
What Klein is describing is a corporate/total itarian regime better known by its more common name: Fascism. It tells me again that the "crisis" of first 9/11 and then the two ongoing wars were "manufactured products" designed to drain coffers at the government level thereby convincing masses of poorly informed people "draconian measures" must be taken. The old "starve the beast" plan taken to its logical conclusion. Of course, these measures are always placed upon the backs of those least able to resist yet presented in faux populist rhetoric as "tax saving" devices. Gov.Snyder could easily be the "bastard" child of J.Rockefeller, Boss Tweed or Louis XIV reincarnated. And you, fellow Americans, can look forward to billboards and endless commercials proclaiming "Things Go Better With Koch." It won't be so "cool and refreshing" this time around.
+8 # jersey joe 2011-03-21 07:27
Formez vos battallions
+30 # punditalia 2011-03-21 09:07
DaveW, I also tend to think of these people as Fascists, but I live in Italy and although Mussolini, the original Fascist, engaged in brutal military aggression, he did not use his absolute power to enrich himself, and he did make serious efforts to improve his country. Our avaricious Neo-con oligarchs are not even Fascists; they're something worse, something we haven't really given a name to yet. They have the Fascists defects but no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
You might appreciate my latest cartoon at
-9 # Capn Canard 2011-03-21 10:46
Well, Punditalia, absolutely, the problem is how it morphs into the a path of least resistance. Take the Tea Baggers. I heard many people speak of them with an awe and a willingness to join, but then upon closer examination of rhetoric it is clear that they are potentially very dangerous. Unions in general are Masculine and it is very, very easy to convert the Left leaning Tough Guy Unions into be HARD RIGHT WING PIGS. e.g. Italy, Germany, Soviet Russia, et al. The tactics looks like they're cleaning up the streets like "Taxi Driver" but they end of being just more of the same sleeze, and in many cases far worse.
+4 # DaveW 2011-03-21 11:14
punditalia, I appreciate your better understanding of Mussolini. I guess we will have to come up with some other name that better describes these monsters. Perhaps those with the "Fascist defects" you mention could be on "Fascistbook", a sort of underbelly of Facebook. Just an idea. I will definitely check out your cartoon. Thanks for posting!
+1 # Oligarch 23 2011-03-21 11:15
Now is the time to seriously ask 'Criminally stupid or actively Evil? Heres a clue for you all-the new National Motto has been unofficially changed to 'The Greatest Evil for the Greatest Number' And it is working out beautifully.
+1 # DaveW 2011-03-21 20:11
punditalia, That...was an EXCELLENT cartoon! Did you draw that? If so we need to get collaborate somehow. I ALWAYS have, what I believe to be good ideas for cartoons. Problem: Drawing stick figures at best presents a challenge. Think it over. I have poetry blog I'd value your feedback. Thanks and good work!
+1 # punditalia 2011-03-23 04:23
Thank you Dave. I enjoyed your blog and will continue to check it out. With the ongoing radical right takeover in the Midwest, there are too many cartoon ideas out there for me to be able to draw them all. How about Minnesota wanting to ban people on public assistance having more than $20 in their pockets? Is this real or is it all an Orwellian dream?
+4 # Capn Canard 2011-03-21 10:39
This is standard operating procedure. The problem here is that every industry in our nation is corrupted beyond recognition. The GOP and right wing have been and are racing to make themselves de facto FASCISTS. This has been going on for 30 years... In homage to FASCISM let's take this moment to sniff the CORPORATE THRONE OF POWER.
+10 # AndreM5 2011-03-21 14:05
The description is succinct in "Shock Doctrine." It is not really fascism, just corporatism for personal enrichment and blatant class warfare.
+1 # PGreen 2011-03-24 06:49
It may not be textbook fascism, but it sounds a lot like some form of totalitarianism . What is a plutocracy, after all? it doesn't matter if we live in a democracy if all our institutions and government functions are in corporate hands. Government, with the electoral process corporately funded, is then reduced to the role of referee between companies that have no public interest in mind. How then is the public served? Shock Doctrine has always struck me as a way to tacitly undermine democratic principles.
+31 # mcnenny 2011-03-20 23:52
Thanks to Rachel Maddow and Naomi Klein, for making us all aware of this. Now why don't the Democrats get it as well?
+28 # Jim Rocket 2011-03-21 00:27
Obama gets it - sadly, he just happens to be working for the other guys.
+2 # Gary Ray Pierson 2011-03-21 22:11
Quoting Jim Rocket:
Obama gets it - sadly, he just happens to be working for the other guys.

"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep"--Saul Bellow

"A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves"--Bertra nd de Jouvenel garyray ^i^
+10 # Nominae 2011-03-21 01:17
@ sebastiangerard ..... Indeed Naomi nails it, my concern, however, is that Obama gets it all *too* well, and seems to be perfectly aligned with all of it.
+16 # hms 2011-03-21 02:15
Now how do we get this information out to our citizens who need to understand it--but are spun the other views which represent the greedheads?
+27 # Hors-D-whores 2011-03-21 02:23
Naomi and Rachel, now those are two women I would like to see in government, smart attractive and good.

The only way the Cons can win is by cheating, lying and stealing.
+24 # rm 2011-03-21 05:35
This is Teabagger madness. I wonder how many Teabaggers really understand and support what they voted into power? Maybe they got punked and they will vote against these new republican govenors. We will see in the recall campaigns and in 2012. I don't have much faith in the ability of the Teabaggers to see the light.
+40 # liberalman 2011-03-21 06:28
Wow..The blatant in your face takeover of small parts of the country (small parts today, by a well-funded cabal of well compensated righties. And the temerity of these power grabbers to paint the President of the United States as Hiltler the Nazi, a Communist, Socialist, Facist, the Joker all because of a ginned up controversy about his not being born in the US of A. Of course our president also killed vast numbers of people by insisting that all citizens regardless of income have health care. The horrible beast. These self serving criminals MUST be stopped by any means necessary. The power of propaganda is awesome in its scope in that regular working people are sucked into supporting these blatantly obvious devourers of the American way. The sane of America must begin to fight fire with equal and opposing fire!
+9 # Capn Canard 2011-03-21 10:55
Hmmm, I am frustrated enough to agree. I believe our problems are directly due to money in electoral politics. Our system is really very ill. I would rather see a parlimentary system with a bare minimum of five political parties. We need to have REAL DEBATE in congress and all alternatives need to be on the table. The retarded GOP Baggers have taken the DOD off the table for budget negociations and this is guaranteed to fail and then followed by more Shock Doctrine.
+7 # genierae 2011-03-21 07:29
I think that the corporate Republicans have underestimated the push-back they would get from the people, and in Wisconsin we see what can be accomplished if the people act as one. On Free Speech TV yesterday (9415 on Dish Network), John Nichols was asked what comes next in Wisconsin and he said "solidarity". In that one word lies the answer to every challenge the American people have to face. If we stand together against the corporate Republicans; if we unite as one people, with one will, and refuse to back down, EVER, we will overcome. Its just that simple. I have always been told that "if" is the biggest word in the dictionary, but it seems to me that an awakening is happening in this country. The American consciousness is being raised to a new level of awareness, and the rich elites, who are so poor in anything of true value, will soon find out what real democracy looks like.
+16 # in deo veritas 2011-03-21 07:33
The plan in Michigan is to use another page from Uncle Adolf's playbook. Once the Nazis got control by elections, they intimidated elected officials from the opposition into resigning. Then offices were filled by their people. The enabling act gave them unlimited power because of a non-existent state of emergency. The idea of removing any elected officials, even a school board and sending in hand-picked goons to take over is as bad as it gets. If they dare use force, the revolt will begin!
+12 # in deo veritas 2011-03-21 07:35
The basic idea of the corporate state was of course Mussolini's. The lesson that had better be learned is how the Italian people took care of him! History does repeat itself (actually we repeat history, sometimes even in a good way).
+14 # Truenorthfreedom 2011-03-21 07:49
This woman is a great educator to the masses. Very bright and well spoken truths.
-42 # Dutch45 2011-03-21 08:12
You liberals are so fun - and stupid!
+6 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2011-03-21 13:32
Once again, a tighty righty summonses every iota of his cognitive powers to skewer us liberals with his rapier wit in what best could be described as a drive-by pooting.

I was tempted to respond by saying that you tighty righties are so fun — and stupid, but then I realized that would just make me sound like a ten-year-old punk; you know, like, YOU.
+18 # tswhiskers 2011-03-21 08:25
Ths is truly terrifying. The Reps. have made no bones about wanting to be the single party in power in perpetuity. I can see no remedy for this short of a second American revolution. I'm afraid people have neglected the ballot box for so long that it may no longer be a remedy for this problem. State governors can accomplish what they want in weeks or months. We can only vote every few years. The press is nearly useless and Dems. stll have no spine. The alternative I see is authoritarian government at the state and national levels that GIVES us whatever rights they choose. We the public have been lazy and uncaring and short of mass revolution I see no remedy.
+7 # Animal 2011-03-21 09:39
Quoting tswhiskers:
Ths is truly terrifying. The Reps. have made no bones about wanting to be the single party in power in perpetuity. I can see no remedy for this short of a second American revolution. I'm afraid people have neglected the ballot box for so long that it may no longer be a remedy for this problem. State governors can accomplish what they want in weeks or months. We can only vote every few years. The press is nearly useless and Dems. stll have no spine. The alternative I see is authoritarian government at the state and national levels that GIVES us whatever rights they choose. We the public have been lazy and uncaring and short of mass revolution I see no remedy.

I give it MAYBE another election cycle, 2-3 MAX, before all Hell starts breaking loose. More likely it'll be a 2nd civil war- half this country hates the other with a passion. I see comments all the time from right wingers about wanting to wipe out liberals or anyone else who doesn't agree with them.
+11 # CB Sherwood 2011-03-21 08:50
I do not know why the citizens of this country are not out in the street with pitchforks!
+10 # Animal 2011-03-21 09:35
Quoting CB Sherwood:
I do not know why the citizens of this country are not out in the street with pitchforks!

God forbid they should miss "American Idol", "Dancing With The Stars", "Jersey Shore", "Glee", NASCAR, WWE/WWF/ECW, or a monster truck rally or football game.
0 # Loose Fur 2011-03-21 08:51
All you naysayers who say Obama doesn't get it are clueless. Of course he gets it. You may not like what he's doing but one thing is blindingly obvious:

He's a lot smarter than you.
+3 # Doctoretty 2011-03-21 09:46
Absolutely right! He has to get elected again to do anything about it. In the second term, he will have nothing to lose,and will concentrate on the things he believes in.
+4 # wfalco 2011-03-21 10:25
Quoting Doctoretty:
Absolutely right! He has to get elected again to do anything about it. In the second term, he will have nothing to lose,and will concentrate on the things he believes in.

I hope you are right, Doctoretty. I concur with most of the writers here as I classify myself as radical-but with a pragmatic vein.(And that is where I differentiate myself from some.) Many here are the Nader voters who gave us 8 years of Bush Inc. and the mayhem that ensued. Oh well-water under the bridge-their intentions were well founded.

Ms. Klein speaks the truth and totally "gets it"-"The Shock Doctrine" lays it all out in language easy to decipher(unless your a Tea drinker.) Sock it to the lower and middle classes when they are already down or not focused. In U.S. society the "sucker punchers"-a.k.a . right wingers/Tea Party elected politicians-wil l utilize any so called "crisis" to enhance their agenda.They will demonize any public employee, teacher, or civil servant as a blood sucking socialist-whose only intent is to live high off the public dole-similar to Reagan's "welfare queens." Unfortunately, apathy will continue to be the dominant force where entertainment and celebrity adulation reign.All by design, of course.
+1 # lisa d. 2011-03-23 15:31
Quoting Doctoretty:
Absolutely right! He has to get elected again to do anything about it. In the second term, he will have nothing to lose,and will concentrate on the things he believes in.

wishful thinking, i'm afraid
+3 # Capn Canard 2011-03-21 11:08
Loose Fur and Doctoretty the election cycle may flip again... I was of the belief right after the 2010 election that the cycle would go back to the Dems in 2012. But the problem is MONEY in the system. This is the poison that influences our politicians more so than the electorate. In elections we get the face we want but not the policy we want. Policy is the done at the bequest of WEALTH. Your voice is tremendously limited.
+6 # Margolicious 2011-03-21 10:32
Our biggest problem is campaign finance reform and the catastrophy caused by the Citizens United v. FEC. However, too many people are on drugs and do not care or know what is going on. A nurse friend is too stupid to understand that medicare cuts and no funding of Obamacare will jeopardize her job. People care only when they are personally effected. A large number of teabaggers are Catholics. Their political agenda is contrary to the teachings of the church but they do not know the papal encyclicals that support unions and think they are no longer necessary. In Ohio the Catholic bishops supported unions and collective bargaining but the so-called Christians passed the senate bill destroying unions and collective bargaining. We have the Fox News addicts that believe all their lies. Everyone should be demanding that Wall Street makes restitution now. We should all stand up and be counted and join Wisconsin.
0 # sundancer415 2011-04-21 06:17
A large number of Catholics in the Northeast are progressive and strongly oppose the teabagger agenda, support the unions, and definitely stand with the people of Wisconsin! While there are, of course, conservative Catholics fooled by FOX "News", the teabaggers I've seen are more in the Protestant camp, although I don't find any of the teabag rhetoric particularly Christian. At least recent polls show more support for increasing taxes on the rich and leaving Medicare and Medicaid alone, but we can't grow complacent by polls. After all, if people in Arab countries can put their lives on the line to topple despotic governments, can we continue to do so much less to protect the ideals of our government "for" and "by" the people? It may also be time for the Supreme Court's ridiculous Citizens United ruling to be confronted with a Citizens in Solidarity challenge! Some rulings deserve to be overturned.
+3 # drpjj 2011-03-21 15:30
Yes,the problem is money and THAT was why the stealth five of the Supreme Court gave corporations the status of individuals so THEY could buy our candidates. Now they can use their money to brainwash the proletariat,who don't read anything but headlines, tv guides and listen to soundbites. This country had it so good for about 50 years and then the rich started their takeover. Outsourcing so they could make egregious profits, while those who became unemployed/unde remployed become so desperate they'll believe anything as long as they don't have to think about it. Sort of Scarlet O'Hara in Gone with the Wind-fiddle de dee, I'll think about it tomorrow. I had hopes that the uprisings in the Cradle of Civilization would wake us up to how similar our economy has become, but no one willingly believes its "that bad." Just as the rich wanted it.
+2 # tarantilla 2011-03-21 16:57
I expect Michigan to be divided up into parcels, each surrounded by a high wall and moat, and governed by the CEO of a large company appointed by the governor, and to whom we will all pay fees. Since there will be no longer public fire and police protection, people will be forced for their own safety to live within the "city" walls, while barbarians rule the surrounding countryside.
+4 # Buckles 2011-03-21 18:04
This ole Vet watches MS. Maddow, very intelligent, a bit giggely at times, but I'm glad she sees the liber side of view, Those that comment to this RSN blog in the negative, stay home, read a book, learn something, tune into Limbaugh, Beck, or Fox noise to get your jollies over there, we are serious working people trying to overturn the madness of the GOP for the past ten years.
-4 # Paul Randal 2011-03-22 00:58

The common theme of the republican, neo-conservativ e agenda being legislated across the country is clear. The social paradigm of the middle class American dream is dead.

It was killed by global economic forces beyond anyones control. We have to face the music, suck it up and get used to the pain. In the name of morality, fairness and sharing the pain any outliers like unionized public employees who still believe that they can enjoy a good middle class life had better accept greatly diminished expectations.

Except for Job Creators they dont have to share the pain. While the rest of us must sacrifice they get tax cuts, golden parachutes and fat bonuses. Try to hold them accountable or make them share the pain and they will move to another town, or state or country and take their job creating skills with them.

A shrewed community or state must do everything it can to make life easier for them. Entice them to move to your community from another. Its a competition so we shouldn't hold back when throwing money at them if we want to win. Our diminished way of life depends on them. If we tick them off they can bring our economy to its knees in a heartbeat. This is fair because in America is a meritocracy and anyone can become a job creator if they only work hard enough.
+2 # Reyn 2011-03-22 09:35
The global economic forces certainly are controllable - without question. It just takes the will to control them. Reject the false paradigm of the invulnerability of capital -- all one needs is a government with guts.
+2 # genierae 2011-03-22 09:55
I have a better idea, Mr. Randal. Let's create our own community dynamics, become our own job creators and let the leaches die from lack of blood. You quite underestimate the ability of the American people to rise to a challenge, and your negative attitude only makes things worse. The American dream must be forsaken for a new reality, which is solidarity. All for one, and one for all. Very powerful dynamic, don't you agree?
+2 # Gerri 2011-03-26 23:19
This is corporatocracy. No longer a democracy or anything resembling a republic, this is sheer corporatocracy and we need to resist at every level! It is the patriotic thing to do.