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Boehlert writes: "Now, four years later as Obama's second swearing-in approaches, the same misguided insurrectionist pageantry is back on display."

Sean Hannity speculated that states will move to secede should the 'radicalized, abusive federal government' continue on its current path. (photo: Fox News)
Sean Hannity speculated that states will move to secede should the 'radicalized, abusive federal government' continue on its current path. (photo: Fox News)

The Return of Right-Wing Insurrectionism (This Time Featuring Hitler)

By Eric Boehlert, Media Matters for America

15 January 13


hat is it about President Obama's inaugurations that bring out the craziest of the right-wing crazies?

Four years ago, Obama's historic swearing-in sparked months' worth of teeth-chattering paranoia, trumpeted by the conservative media, about how the new Democratic president posed a mortal threat to America and that drastic action might need to be taken.

In 2009, a far-right Newsmax columnist determined that a "military coup "to resolve the 'Obama problem'" was not "unrealistic." That's about the same time Glenn Beck used his then-new program on Fox News to game out bloody scenarios for the coming civil war against the Obama-led tyranny. Note that the armed rebellion rhetoric was uncorked just weeks after Obama's first cabinet had been confirmed.

Now, four years later as Obama's second swearing-in approaches, the same misguided insurrectionist pageantry is back on display. (The fringe John Birch Society is probing the likelihood of "armed resistance" against the government -- "an unlikely prospect, for now at least.") And this time, Adolf Hitler stars in a leading role.

In fact, there's a disturbing collision now underway featuring two signature, conservative paranoid fantasies. One holds that Obama is like Hitler; that he's a tyrant ready to undo democracy at home. The other is that Americans need access to an unregulated supply of assault weapons in order to fight their looming insurrectionist war with the government.

In the last week we've heard more and more conservatives try to tie the two wild tales together: Obama's allegedly pending gun grab will prove he's just like Hitler, which will demonstrate the need for citizens to declare war on the government.

Ignoring nearly 250 years of our democratic history, conservative voices across the media landscape have been nodding their heads in agreement suggesting it's only a matter of time before the United States resembles a tyrannical dictatorship that will be either fascistic or Stalinist in nature (or both, if the rhetorician feels no obligation to historical accuracy).

So much for the notion of American exceptionalism -- "the conviction that our country holds a unique place and role in human history" -- that conservatives love to preach.

The latest round of right-wing Obama panic was prompted by the Newtown, CT, school massacre. In its wake, Obama is reportedly ready to initiate efforts to curb gun violence, including possibly using executive orders. Simply the idea of instituting common sense gun reform, among other public policy issues, has sparked violent rhetoric about war and sedition early in the new year.

Fox's Todd Starnes warned there would "a revolution" if the government tries to "confiscate our guns." Fox News contributor Arthur Herman declared the U.S. is "one step closer" to a looming "civil war," while fellow contributor Pat Caddell claimed the country was in a "pre-revolutionary condition," and "on the verge of an explosion."

And on his syndicated radio show last week, Sean Hannity speculated that tates will move to secede should the "radicalized, abusive federal government" continue on its current path, and that they'd be justified in doing so.

Who's to blame? Obama and Hilter.

Fox News' Dr. Keith Ablow insisted history's filled with examples of leaders who confiscated guns as a precursor to "catastrophic abuses" of power: "One need look no further than Nazi Germany." Fox's Judge Andrew Napolitano made the same connection, while a Kentucky radio host compared firearm regulations to Nazi "yellow star" laws.

That's the hook for the latest insurrectionist rants: If Obama's going to act like Hitler, then of course right-wing gun owners are going to wage war.

Appearing on Piers Morgan Tonight last week, and after admitting he didn't know that Ronald Reagan had supported an assault weapons ban, editor Ben Shapiro stuck to his claim that the gun debate in this country is really about "the left and the right" because the right understands Americans have to arm themselves with assault weapons to defend against the United States government [emphasis added]:

SHAPIRO: I told you, why the general population of America, law abiding citizens, need AR-15s.

MORGAN: Why do they need those weapons?

SHAPIRO: They need them for the prospective possibility for the resistance of tyranny. Which is not a concern today, it may not be a concern tomorrow.

MORGAN: Where do you expect tyranny to come from?

SHAPIRO: It could come from the United States, because governments have gone tyrannical before, Piers.

MORGAN: So the reason we cannot remove assault weapons is because of the threat of your own government turning on you in a tyrannical way.


The right is stockpiling weapons because the U.S. government might go Nazi and declare war on a portion of its own people. And when the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines unleash their unmatched firepower on citizens, "the right" intends to be fully armed with AR-15s to fight a war within the U.S. borders.

That is the reason the Second Amendment exists? It's not for everyday self-defense, or to protect the rights of hunters and gun enthusiasts, , but to enable citizens to go to war with the U.S. government? To fend off a "tyrannical" turn at home. At least according to Shapiro's keen take on history.

That's what was "debated" on CNN last week. Not once but twice.

From conspiracy professional Alex Jones and his CNN harangue on January 7:

Hitler took the guns, Stalin took the guns, Mao took the guns, Fidel Castro took the guns, Hugo Chavez took the guns!" Jones ranted. "And I am here to tell you, 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms!

We already knew from 2009 that far-right voices were fretting about the need for a citizen's militia to stop Obama's destructive ways. Now four years later, with gun control initiatives pending, the frantic rants have escalated and Obama's fiercest critics are rationalizing their insurrectionist chants by comparing the president actions to those of Hitler. The comparison isn't just offensive, it's also inaccurate: the Nazis actually loosened restrictions on private gun ownership (except for Jews and other persecuted groups).

That kind of ugliness not only pollutes our public dialogue, it also gives comfort to gun radicals who embrace the rhetoric. In early 2009, fearing what a friend described as "the Obama gun ban that's on the way," conspiracy nut (and Alex Jones fan) Richard Poplawski lured three Pittsburgh policemen to his apartment, then shot and killed them at his front door.

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+149 # mudbike 2013-01-15 22:51
Let the morons secede and tell them don't let the door hit them in the ass on their way out. We in the blue states are tired of paying their way while they obstruct any and all progress with their stupid backward ways,
+103 # ishmael 2013-01-16 00:01
Dear right: If you are so unhappy living in the US then PLEASE LEAVE. SANE PEOPLE HAVE NO USE FOR YOU.

And take your prejudices and lies with you.


Thank You.
+18 # Artemis 2013-01-16 02:46
No, you deal with them. Nobody else wants them.
+25 # 666 2013-01-16 17:40
this is like the nazis screaming "the reichstag is burning!" while dumping the box of matches... I'd encourage people to research the connections between the neo-cons and the nazis, and between the birchers and the kochs... it's a two-headed snake that aims not to take over our government, but to stir up a pathetic, feeble right-wing nutjob rebellion as an excuse to crack down on everyone (and the left in particular).

Whatever the right says to fear, it's because they're busy doing it
+29 # MainStreetMentor 2013-01-16 06:42
I understand possession of handguns, rifles and shotguns WOULD NOT come under scrutiny of a “ban”. Assault weapons are at issue when it comes to bans. Sabre rattling and loose, thoughtless, pre-event pro-conflict rhetoric can lead to a nightmarish hell of civil, armed conflict. The devastation rendered is horrendous on any and all planes one would care to mention. These “journalists” are irresponsible, their messages are designed to be inflammatory, and they are engaging in the practice in the name of sensationalism and a hoped-for increase in readership. Should an armed conflict become reality, these “journalists” will be accused and credited with the blood of every American who is killed – and every person killed on either side will be … an American. In that sense – they will have caused the very results which terrorists have pledged to do. True patriots preserve and protect Americans – and these journalists do neither.
+29 # wrknight 2013-01-16 08:51
These "journalists" whereof you speak are just plain insane. The irresponsible people are those who broadcast this shit and those who sponsor it. Along with them are the fools who read this shit and patronize their sponsors.
+41 # ABen 2013-01-16 10:51
"Journalists", I use this term very loosely here, such as Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, and Savage are not insane, but they are self-serving and immoral. They know that there is a sizable group of fairly ignorant (often stupid as well) listeners out there who are angry about a black man and Democrat being in the White House and getting re-elected. This group of quasi-mouth breathers is easily led to believe that all things that anger them--change, rising gas prices, soft economy, etc--is the result of Pres Obama. Meanwhile, talking heads like Hannity, Beck, etc get wealthy by feeding these irrational fears. Rational people on both sides of the isle must not be silent while these hucksters use the public airways to undermine civil discourse and foster a distorted and combative perspective on American society. They are nothing short of modern day terrorists and should be called out as such!
+22 # mdhome 2013-01-16 10:32
TREASON is what they are proposing, NOTHING less and they need to be sent yo Gitmo.
+6 # RLF 2013-01-16 08:27
Dems have at least some culpability here because they have absolutely no voice about anything but gun control. I want to hear about what Obama is going to do about wealth inequity...abou t disappearing social programs...etc. He is allowing the "spending" crap to continue because he plans to allow cuts out the yang of social talk about the 60% spending on the military or his many wars.
+37 # John Price 2013-01-16 09:59
A recent poll in Texas showed that more people in Texas are in favor of same-sex marriages than in favor of seceding. The crazies are thrown on the front page as if they really represent something significant.
+5 # Vardoz 2013-01-16 10:28
They can't
+83 # Billy Bob 2013-01-15 23:21
I'd like another right-wing insurrection attempt. It would be the perfect excuse to start cracking down on right-wing bullshit the same way bush cracked down on the left in response to foreign born conservative Muslims attacking American buildings while he stood by idly.

Nothing silenced the right-wing coup attempters of the early 90s like little timmy mcveigh's failed attempt to take over the U.S. It shamed the hell out of them to the point where they had to (temporarily) pretend they didn't harbor the exact same sentiments.

Paranoid delusional fantasies are a common thread which links together the entire American right. The ONLY thing capable of curing them of these delusions is to humiliate them.
+14 # Sandy G 2013-01-16 08:16
'Right-Wing' insurrections have already begun: Remember the Murrah Federal building (Ok-City)? the Branch-Dividian s? etc. There was a 'back-lash' to these incidents, but it was too subtle for most somnolent Americans. Tho its becoming more and more visible (increasing pressure for more voter suppression, more 'Red-States', etc). Actually, it was 1935 when Lewis published his novel 'It Can't Happen Here' - - it already IS happening.
Congratulations, sleepyheads.
+65 # Rain17 2013-01-15 23:32
This is hardly new. Rhetoric like this was commonplace the last time a Democrat was in the White House. When President Clinton was in office, especially in his first term, you had these crazies saying basically the same thing. They were arguing the same conspiracy theories about the government. The Ken Starr investigation, Whitewater, Paula Jones, the 1994 gun control bill, and the rest of the scandals also deepened their paranoia. Then the Oklahoma City Bombing happened.

I work in field that tends to attract conservatives and some what I've heard them say about Obama is crazy. I've heard some of my friends say that "America as we know it will end if he wins another term". I've heard them say "Obama will run for a third term and stay in office forever". I've heard them utter other conspiracy theories and fears that are extremely irrational. They honestly viewed losing the 2012 elections in extreme, catastrophic terms.

I will say that 99.99999% of these people are all talk--and no action. What concerns me is .00001% of them, the least sane of them. What concerns me is that one mentally unbalanced crazy person will hear these rants and actually hurt someone.
+33 # indian weaver 2013-01-16 06:55
I'm afraid we have a larger contingent of nutso white supremacists than is generally understood. Australia did buy back all assault weapons in private ownership after their worst massacre, over 40 people including 30+ tourists 15+ years ago. The government paid owner cost + 10%. It worked. No massacres or mass shootings in Australia since then, over 15 years of no assault weapons. duh. Yes, we need that same move here. I wish we'd do it and "see what happens". I think then all states and the government would definitely see they need to get rid of all assault weapons, including over 3 million (or is it 30 million) in the hands of idiots. If it comes to violence to remove violence, what makes best sense? Leaving these weapons of mass destruction in the hands of idiots? Sooner or later, this mistake of private ownership of weaponry for mass murder is likely to bite us badly, continue to bite us badly, no doubt about it to me.
+16 # jazzman633 2013-01-16 11:55
This paranoid nutso/nativist strain has been around for a long time. They called Lincoln a tyrant, too. Remember: the first one who mentions Hitler loses the argument.

Buyback sounds like the most direct and posibly workable solution. If Americans love anything more than guns, it's money.
+18 # Majikman 2013-01-16 08:06
um...Rain, how does one determine which one of these crazies is crazy "enough"? They all sound like rabid dogs to me.
+11 # Sandy G 2013-01-16 08:20
Right, Rain: ....and Timothy McVey was one of those '.00001%'.
+6 # mdhome 2013-01-16 10:36
"I will say that 99.99999% of these people are all talk--and no action. What concerns me is .00001% of them, the least sane of them. What concerns me is that one mentally unbalanced crazy person will hear these rants and actually hurt someone."

You are optimistic.
0 # Pickwicky 2013-01-20 16:31
Right, mdhome. What concerns me is how riled up the crazies are at this moment--even tho they constitute a small percent. What concerns me is the Inauguration.
+56 # Rain17 2013-01-15 23:41
The other thing is the fact that conservatives routinely get away with these indirect calls for violence against liberals and Democrats. They routinely get away with extremist talk of "revolution" and "secession". What I find amazing is the inherent double standard in the media.

You don't see many liberals ever saying many extreme things about Bush II or other conservatives. The worst that I ever heard about Bush II was that he was a "Nazi" or "War Criminal". I rarely, if ever heard, any prominent liberal or Democrat indirectly call for violence or other "resistance" against Republicans.

And in the Bush era, if any Democrat ever said anything that "controversial" , the media and the Republicans would demand an "apology". Then inevitably the media and talking heads, including many progressive/lib eral columnists, would revert to the standard "both sides do it" argument.

I was watching an MSNBC show--I think it was Rachel Maddow--a week or two ago. Joan Walsh from Salon was debating a "moderate" pundit. The "moderate" pundit uttered "the both sides do it" claim again. Joan Walsh shouted her down effectively.

What is amazing is how "the liberal media" constantly lets Republicans get away with such extreme statements and outright dishonesty. That is the other component of this debate that gets ignored.
+22 # WestWinds 2013-01-16 05:36
What we fail to remember is that the Right are business people; salesmen. They are never going to miss an opportunity to sell their product and so they hammer us to death just like all of the advertising on the internet that follows us around and hounds us with banner and pop-up ads. They don't care if we don't want this hounding, they believe if they hammer away long enough, they will get their way. It's up to us to prove them wrong.

And I agree with you about the public tolerating all of their bad behavior. I read on a comment list a complaint about America's "cursed capacity for acceptance" of all of this. Exactly. As long as the American people continue to accept their blatant, vicious lies, worst intentions and terrible deeds towards all of us, it will go on and on and on. The 2014, elections will be here sooner than we can imagine. We really need to elect Progressives and get the last of the Right-wing kooks out. And when Obama leaves office, we need to get a president who will rein in that TV.
+17 # Sandy G 2013-01-16 08:29
Lately, I've been thinking: Hillary Clinton/Elizabe th Warren - 2016.
+3 # Billy Bob 2013-01-16 10:56
They have very little in common.
+8 # 666 2013-01-16 17:42
I've been thinking 3rd party. dump all the other bastards
+3 # vexact 2013-01-16 11:37
Liberals ... don;t let them get away with this
0 # Pickwicky 2013-01-20 16:43
WestWinds--but how do we "rein in" these people? Sane Americans have spent years trying to figure out a way to do it. Yet the creeps hold court.

Until SCOTUS reviews some of its stupid rulings, we're stuck. The first thing to be done is to repeal the 2nd amendment as obsolete--and it's been so since Congress passed the bill giving our nation a standing army. In one of the most astoundingly devious ploys of American history, the Right has turned the 2nd on its head and promulgated the bullshit that the amendment was put in place to safeguard citizens against the Federal Government.
+14 # indian weaver 2013-01-16 07:01
I believe the other side, the Democrats as a generalization, is truly sane and peace loving, so we just do not cry wolf, do not throw peace lovers to the dogs, but instead pet the cat. The 2 worlds practically no longer intersect anywhere. That is disturbing. The conservative Republicans - the far right groupd of them - give the entire party of citizens a horrible front line of b.s., no science, kill as many as possible of everyone else, on and on. Someone is eventually going to get taken out that is on TV making a fool of themselves like Hannity et. al. It'll be one of their own with some trivial disputed point of emptiness, that is the likelihood with trigger happy idiots - to wit: Trayvon Martin in a microcosm for example, and all these shoot first laws. The decadence is frightening and wide spread, hosted by Republicans in congress and on the streets and all these laughable most of all - the talking heads.
+4 # SOF 2013-01-16 18:16
Why doesn't someone sue the rabid FOX crew for slander or? FOX News tries to sound balanced -not, but Hannity, Rush say the most awful things. Always with logic that wouldn't pass high school, always with a huge emotional tag -fear or indignation. And lately I've noticed they take progressive points and turn them around as if they are Republican values!!! Actually their hate for progressives is quite scary. Corporations or movie stars would never let this talk go unchallenged.
+9 # Sandy G 2013-01-16 08:24
Well, Rain, I used to refer to Bush-II (the 'Puerile, Postadolescent Pissant on the Potomac') as 'The Skidmark in the Ceramic Bowl of Life', but nobody paid any attention.
+8 # Cassandra2012 2013-01-16 12:31
YEARS ago when BushII was in office, Sen. Durbin meekly suggested that some of Bush's actions (and Cheney's) were reminiscent of fascism ...and was forced to apologize!!
Timeto call out these so-called journalists publicly and in court! Where is the ACLU on this?
-86 # DaveM 2013-01-15 23:53
President Obama will supposedly announce a series of drastic "gun control" measures 12 hours from this writing. Many will seem innocuous on first glance, but they constitute the federal government claiming authority over private property and one's right to buy, sell, or even possess it.

That is a dangerous precedent and goes far beyond any question of "does anyone NEED an AR-15"? Today it is mislabeled "assault weapons". After the Oklahoma City bombing it was fertilizer. We have antihistamines behind the pharmacy counter and tracking devices on our telephones and cars. We have warrantless spying on a scale that makes the Nixon Administration look like a high school electronics project is a daily fact of life. "1984" seems almost quaint nostalgia by comparison with 21st century America.

Does anyone believe it will stop with "assault rifles"? Did it stop with the PATRIOT Act? Did it stop with the war in Iraq? The latter should be a fine illustration: anything can demonized and violent action against it justified by government. And who knows what will be next?
0 # Rain17 2013-01-16 01:00
I personally have no problem with background checks and laws ensuring that felons, especially those convicted of violent crimes, don't have access to guns. I have no problem with ensuring that only the mentally sane and those without criminal records have access to guns.

But I don't support banning them. I used to support gun control until I realized the problems facing inner-city neighborhoods. In many inner-city neighborhoods the police cannot and/or will not do their job. In some cases the police are corrupt.

I think that gun rights are civil rights. People have a right to defend their homes and well-being.

But I also don't believe in the absolutist NRA approach either. Background checks, psychological screenings, preventing felons from getting guns, and improving are mental health system are reasonable approaches. Banning guns isn't.
+3 # Sandy G 2013-01-16 08:33
No question that America is due for a serious 'attitude-chang e': the Ham-Handed approach to 'gun-control' doesn't quite cut it.
+3 # Billy Bob 2013-01-16 10:58
Everyone in those dangerous neighborhoods already has a gun. As another poster questioned, would the world be a safer place if every nation had nuclear weapons?
+5 # SMoonz 2013-01-16 16:33
Everyone in those neighborhoods? Seriously? What a joke!

Thanks for showing us your true colors. What a narrow minded thing to say. I usually hear these things from small town folk who have don't know about inner city life.

Ever lived in the inner city? I doub it. I do and always have. Most people don't own guns. You know who does? The bad guys and they were purchased illegally through the black market.

I am really in awe that you have this warped mentality of what our neighborhoods are like. Understand its people before you make broad statements like those.
-2 # Billy Bob 2013-01-16 19:44
This time you're hearing it from inner city folk who've actually lived there and know first hand. Do you live in Detroit? Do you live in the toughest neighborhoods of Baltimore or D.C.? Those murders you hear about aren't done with rocks and sticks. Guns are everywhere and easy to come by. Just ask anyone who REALLY lives in those neighborhoods and doesn't just pretend to.

The crap you keep spouting sounds EXACTLY like the white rambo wannabes I run into who talk about what they'd do if they ever ran into the people who actually live in those neighborhoods.
+10 # SMoonz 2013-01-17 00:19
Hey, you're talking to one who not only lived there, but still lives there. I'm in the inner city of L.A.I lived through the L.A. riots as a teen.I still drive almost every day through Florence and Normandie.Look that intersection up.For a few years I worked in Compton.I have also always lived in the Rampart Division area (located near MacArthur Park area)which inspired the movie "Training Day," loosely based on the LAPD corruption scandal. A friend of mine is an extra in it as a chola.
You don't have to point out how people die in our neighborhoods. Have you had friends die before the age of 18 by gang related gun violence? I can tell you haven't. I have had at least 5 friends die that way. I've seen people die on the street before I even made it to my first class one morning when I was in middle school.
On another occasion a stray bullet aimed at my neighbor went through our living room window barely missing my dad's head 12 inchs.
I've had the privilege to visit Detroit a couple of years ago and also D.C. and Baltimore.

I can go on and on. I'm a Mexican- American and I am college educated. Sorry to break your idea of me as a white rambo who pretends to live in the inner city or maybe you find it hard to believe that us "minority" inner city folk can really break the mold. I know this is a shock to your white suburban sensibilities, or is it Midwestern sensibilities?

I had no idea the price of admission to these forums was presenting proof of address.
-5 # SMoonz 2013-01-16 16:26
I'm on the same boat as you. I was once ok with banning and gun control but after really looking at the facts, educating myself on this matter I don't buy into it.

I grew up and still live in a neighborhood where law enforcement not long ago had a shady reputation. Ever seen the movie, "Training Day," with Denzel Washington? It was loosely based on the LAPD Rampart division and the corruption scandal of the 90's. That's my neighborhood right there. that's where I grew up.

Things have improved with the department since, thankfully, but crime is still an issue here. It is pretty lousy knowing that the bad guys have the weapons and citizens aren't equipped to have them for protection, especially when most are immigrants and can't legally own them.

I also find it interesting that often times law enforcement is all for citizens owning guns while those in Capitol Hill sit in luxury telling us it's bad for us.
+38 # coach777b 2013-01-16 06:01
"Did it stop with the PATRIOT Act? Did it stop with the war in Iraq?"
The question is what did YOU do when Bush/Cheyney pushed their programs through. What did YOU do when the bodies began to stack up in Dover, DE? No, it seems your since of urgency, your sense of impending doom didn't become that urgent until America elected a BLACK President! Correct me if I'm wrong.
+11 # Sandy G 2013-01-16 08:37
Agreed, coach! Despite that little 'fling' we had in America in 1861-1865, we just didn't get it!
+3 # Trueblue Democrat 2013-01-16 09:56
No, coach, the question is what did the so-called Democrats do while Bush/Cheney was burning the Bill of Rights? Not one damned thing but help yelp thru a bill that not one of them had read.

What did the so-called Democratic President do when elected in 2008? Did he move to repeal the Pat Riot Act? No, he worked to have it renewed in all its unconstitutiona lity and even made it worse. Did he work to repeal the ravages to FISA? No, he also renewed the Bush-era legislation that virtually gutted our protections. Did Obama prosecute AT&T and Verizon for illegally spying on us during the Bush years? No, he and the Democratic congress pushed thru legislation that retroactively immunized AT&T and Verizon, cutting the ground out from under those of us who were suing those bastards.

Then there's the NDAA of 2012 and 2013. The prosecution of Bradley Manning. The persecution of Aaron Swartz. On and on.

Wake the hell up. We've got a fascist monster in the White House -- same as we had before him.
+4 # Cassandra2012 2013-01-16 12:37
The fascist monsters in the WH were Bush II and the puppet-master Cheney the 'Dick'. What did you do when they burned the Bill of Rights with the 'Patriot' Act.

They used to yell “commie”
at anyone who didn’t go along, didn’t agree
with them.
Who pointed at the meager share of bread —
the rancid walls, the urine-soaked stairs
People should have health insurance? social
security? Hmmph!
Better dead than ‘red’... !

Now they bed
down in the flag,
that last refuge of the dull
What — you think the government should keep its nose
out of your bedclothes?
not tell women whether or how to use their
What — you think that
should have to pay
for every baby they
danced in a green bay
for, that it takes two
to do that baby-bottle tango?

Now they wallow
in the act
of patriot
wrap their butts in red, white
black and blue
are willing to give up, give in,
give away.
the bill of rights for tinder
set that fire
to the mosque, the temple
however familiar,
or to that den of witches killing all
those ‘babies’ they can’t see to feed
or educate,
or frankly give a damn about
they’re born.

Ready to march off
someone else’s kid
to another war for oil
over a non-existent connection to a real
terrorist everyone seems to have forgotten
‘Either you’re with us,
or you’re with them thar’ terrorists.’
It’s a regular patriot
+13 # indian weaver 2013-01-16 07:06
Yes it will vastly diminish once the government takes back all assault weapons in private hands, just like it worked in Australia 15 years ago, since which no mass murders or massacres have occurred. Not rocket science, just plain common sense. That is what is missing. Study the situation in Australia, and even Israel which has a good gun control policy we should adopt here. I mean, we love Israel anyhow, dont we (not me, see those 2 videos at the Golden Globes - the documentaries revealing the ugly crimes against humanity propagated by Israel for 40+ years now). But, their gun laws make sense, study them as well as the wisdom of the Australian government. And then look at Yemen where private gun ownership is second only to America and study their extreme violence there too.
+3 # obstreperous1 2013-01-16 16:47
Australia has always had lower levels of violence but that said, their present situation is the benefit of the same lessening in violent crime all first world countries have benefited from in recent years. The actual effect of the weapons ban, and it had years to show fruit before the same lessening we have experienced, was a major increase in violent crime in all other categories than gun violence. Not even suicides went down with it, it went up. It only started down with a focus on it with public health. The only statistic that went down was gun violence (duh) but apparently when criminals know no one has guns, knives and blunt weapons are just fine for their purpose.
+19 # BradFromSalem 2013-01-16 10:11

When it comes down to it what I fear is not the government, it's the large corporations, especially the ones in the financial industry.
They are the ones that will decide the rest of your life, they can totally ruin your life. If they wanted, they can make you into world famous celebrity. Of course they will only do that if you play along.
Government is under our control via the ballot box, although that power is being slowly drained away. And do you know who has been draining that power? Not the lefties, not even the righties, its them aka they. Sorry, let me capitalize that, They. They, the mysterious group that always does stuff and says stuff. Did anyone ever say "Did you see They put in a new drugstore down the street" or "They say that everyone is wearing green this year". Sure you have, we all have.

They are the corporations that own us, own all the information there is to be known about us. And They love it e=when you blame the government, because that way They remain nameless.

Know your enemy.
+4 # CL38 2013-01-16 14:19
See for more information about how the corporate elites have taken over, are implementing austerity and what they have in mind for people across the globe.
0 # Pickwicky 2013-01-20 16:45
DaveM--too much Limbaugh drool dripping into your ears.
+26 # BKnowswhitt 2013-01-16 00:06
The argument that 's left off the table is how these righty radicals are fomenting the hate and fear. Why did Gabby Giffords get shot. Why did that paronoid pick her and that political rally as a target. The buck should stop with that one. A senator is shot out in the open while engaged in what they all do. What a bunch of creeps to not even defend their own kind ... Shame on them all again ... they that is The Gang - who couldn't shoot straight now all they want is guns ......
+30 # Rain17 2013-01-16 01:09
But here is the other structural problem: the "liberal media" lets them get away with it. And then the pundit/villager class almost invariably retreats to the "both sides do it" claim of false equivalence to let the GOP get away with it.

The sad thing is that, until some crazy unbalanced person actually hurts someone or kills people, nothing will be done. And even then the media will give the likes of Sarah Palin, Sharon Angle, Hannity, Glenn Beck, and conservatives a free pass.

I just wonder what the media would do if a Democrat or someone like Michael Moore uttered talk of secession or indirectly called for violence against conservatives or Republicans. The media and Republicans would demand immediate apologies. And mainstream Democrats, out of a desire to sound "reasonable", would apologize and denounce them for it.
+11 # mdhome 2013-01-16 11:03
There is NO liberal media, that is a fantasy. A book that was written in 2003 shows what a lie that is. "what liberal media?" by Eric Alterman, read it, you can get it for very little $ on a used book site.
+8 # bmiluski 2013-01-16 13:29
This whole "liberal media" myth was one of the better lies propagated by the repugs when people started questioning the Iraq war. The fact that rupert murdock owns over 90% of the media outlets in this country did not bother their lying little hearts one bit.
+4 # bmiluski 2013-01-16 13:30
What is it about the neo-cons/right/ repugs that attracts these demented, radical, beings?
0 # Rain17 2013-01-19 07:31
Notice that I put the term in quotation marks. Of course there is hardly any "liberal media". But the perception is so ingrained that most people, even some liberal friends of mine, believe it.
+6 # CL38 2013-01-16 14:31
The right now owns most of the mainstream media. That was one of the right's goals, to make it possible to control the message and spread extreme propaganda to move the country to the extreme right.

So important to support alternative media, like RSN and other liberal sources.
0 # Rain17 2013-01-19 07:31
Notice that I put the term "liberal media" in quotation marks. Of course there are few, if any liberal, voices in the media beyond MSNBC and the soon-to-be-defu nct Current TV.
+38 # X Dane 2013-01-16 01:27

The crazy guy who shot Gabby Gifford, (who is a representative, not senator).. hates government, why did he want to shoot all the other innocent people too??? He is mentally ill and would have shot many,many more if he had had a bigger clip.

He was not overpowered until he tried to add another clip, which is why these mega clips must be kept in the military. Just as armor piercing bullets are strictly for killing enemies in war.

In civilian life policemen are pretty much the only ones using bullet proof wests. So armor piercing bullets should also be for military use only.

The majority of Americans think so too.
+15 # genierae 2013-01-16 07:13
I don't understand why the families of those who are obviously mentally ill don't get them the help they need? The person who shot Gabby Giffords, the shooter in Aurora, and this last one at Sandy Hook, they were all insane. It was apparent to those around them that they should not have been loose in society, yet no one was able or willing to do anything about it. We need to change completely the way we treat the mentally ill, we need institutions that offer long-term care and treatment. We are currently putting these lost people in prison! Can you think of anything worse? The trauma of prison life only makes them more capable of violence, and it turns into a vicious circle with no escape. They are lost souls crying out for help and society ignores them until it's too late.
+12 # indian weaver 2013-01-16 08:59
The quest for dealing with mental illness is a tiny shot in the dark compared to removing all of these weapons of mass destruction from private ownership which is 95% of the problem. Everything else is a distraction, a tiny bit of help in comparison to millions of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of "rational" people, ha ha. Are they all mentally ill? In my opinion, something like that. So, deal with that problem only, without removing the weapons, and reducing violence is hopeless.
+6 # genierae 2013-01-16 12:41
Where did I say that this is the ONLY part of the solution? Why does it have to be either/or, why not both/and? I have spoken out for gun regulation since congress failed to renew the assault rifle ban, so you're talking to the wrong person.
+5 # X Dane 2013-01-16 15:11
indian weaver.
I completely agree with you, but guess what?.....the people in congress, who SHOULD represent and protect us......are COWARDS.

They fear loosing their seat if they vote for assault Weapons band!! And it is so MUCH MORE important to them to STAY in congress than doing the right thing and TRY to protect you, me, and our little children.

+1 # genierae 2013-01-17 11:30
X Dane, why tar all of congress with the same tiresome brush? False equivalency is also suggested by your comment. The right-wingers in congress are 95% of the problem, most Democrats are doing what they can to get some decent legislation passed. Calling them names won't help the situation, and throwing them ALL out will only bring in a fresh crop of no-nothings.
+2 # genierae 2013-01-17 15:40
Oops! I called them names. It's hard not to sometimes, they are causing so much trouble.
+2 # X Dane 2013-01-17 21:30

You are right of course, in my frustration I did paint with too broad a brush. It IS mainly republicans who are obstructing.

But unfortunately, there ARE also democrats who do not want to give up the assault weapons, either because they like these killer weapons, or because keeping their seat is more important than doing the right thing and try to keep us safe.

Notice genierae, I said throw them out...
IF....they will not act for US, and I still mean that.
+12 # CL38 2013-01-16 14:16
In the 70's, the mentally ill were pushed out of mental hospitals to the streets, lucky if they found half way homes to live in.

Today, there's no where to turn for care. The right has stripped funding for the mentally ill, human services and education. One more failed policy thanks to the right.
+3 # genierae 2013-01-17 11:33
I thought it was Reagan who did this? I remember at the time being stunned that this could really happen. All those lost souls turned out into the streets to fend for themselves. Republicans are psychopaths who care nothing about those who have no power.
+5 # X Dane 2013-01-16 14:59

Many families have sons or daughters with serious mental problems, you say that you don't understand, why they don't get the help they need???? .......They don't because THEY MAY NOT HAVE ANY HEALTH INSURANCE. No insurance!!.... NO HELP.... So we ALL pay, When these troubled people lose it and kill a lot of totally innocent people,

Some have insurance, but many cuts are being made to the health care and unfortunately the MENTAL health, gets too many cuts.

When ST Reagan was governor in California. He shut down all the mental hospitals, and the poor souls were out in the streets.

There was SUPPOSED to be out patient treatment for them,.....but alas....very little funding. And there will be a lot more cuts made,....very soon.
We can NOT WAIT for the mental care to kick in.

So for STARTERS we SHOULD outlaw the assault weapons and the mega clips. The violent video games and movies, must also be addressed, in simple self defense.
+5 # Sandy G 2013-01-16 08:47
Just don't forget, BKnowswhitt, 'WE' elected every single one of 'The Gang'. So, who's at fault??
+37 # X Dane 2013-01-16 00:19
All the madness doesn't just give comfort to Gun radicals. It will give great comfort to....AND encourage our adversaries ...for it must be crystal clear to them, that we are in the process of imploding.........
They just need to be patient till they can move in and pick up the pieces.

Also....There are not enough psychologists and psychiatrists in this country to treat all the crazies....and heaven help us, they are heavily armed.

People like Hannity and all the others with too big microphones, are dangerous and UNPATRIOTIC, for they are encouraging unstable people WITH guns to start insurrection.

And the republicans sure need psychiatric help too, for they think it is good to destroy our economy...Inste ad of getting our people back to work and fixing the economy that THEY DESTROYED, under Bush
+30 # Anarchist 23 2013-01-16 00:30
Interesting take since the armed right wing paramilitaries of the 20/30's put Hitler in power. And his party Gauleiters took over the Federated States of Germany like Prussia and put in their own 'mayors' etc. instead of elected officials by the people. A lot like Republican Snyder is doing in MI! WOW. And such thing as unions...hmmm. And of course one sure fire technique to break a nation is to incite its people against each other so they destroy their own country without the enemy aggressor having to do it for them. It is a brilliant tactic and has worked well any country-Cambodi a? Somalia? Syria? And as for fAK47 (best because they don't jam but ammo hard to come by) AR17 etc. when they come at you with oh ..drones at 30,000 with Hellfire missiles and sonic cannons or pain rays (all in existence-cleve r boys at Kirkland AFB and Labs) do you really think you will win? And if you do, what kind of country will you have 'won'? No fan of Obama here; he has failed to do the right thing on far too many crucial issues. Humanity must come together for its common interest.Pronto . Or..welcome to the new weather, and the new angry planet. And then the rest of man-made dystopia.
+12 # Sandy G 2013-01-16 08:53
With a Senate majority LEADER like Mitch, committed to 'assuring Mr. Obama is a One-Term-Presid ent', how could anyone expect BHO to 'succeed'?
+9 # CL38 2013-01-16 14:13
Despite this, Obama's got to find ways to move past Republican psychopaths or his accomplishments for his second term will remain limited.

The public has to be prepared to support and back him up if and when the right continues ratcheting up false hysteria.
+32 # CL38 2013-01-16 01:06
For 2 decades, we've seen the right constantly accuse the other side of their own attitudes, behaviors and actions. Projection.

For 30 years, the right has used Nazi techniques for taking over the US. Going after unions that fight for fair wages and benefits for workers...and that fund Democratic politicians and causes; attacking women's rights and targeting specific groups, such as gays, blacks and again, women, playing them against others to demonize and turn them into the 'other'; taking over the mainstream media to control the message, spread propaganda and lies...all with the goal of taking permanent control of the US and the US government.

With psychopaths running one of our two political parties, do we really think it can't happen here???
+17 # indian weaver 2013-01-16 07:13
Europe is so peaceful and friendly by comparison, with almost no guns in private ownership. The Warsaw Convention after WWII recognized that this leads to more violence. Europe had to be destroyed by Hitler / Mussolini / Stalin to become peaceful nations. Go visit, you'd be inclined to stay and not return once you see how pleasant is a world without legal loaded guns in every person's pockets. Totally different world it is, or visit Australia for the same reason. Yes violence exists in these and every land. It is just way out of control in America.
+5 # mdhome 2013-01-16 11:08
I wish I could afford to move there.
+23 # genierae 2013-01-16 07:29
I agree with everything you say, but it's been going on longer than two decades. More like fifty years, but especially since Reagan. A small group of lunatic right-wing extremists are currently holding this country hostage, and they are deliberately ignoring the majority of Americans who want serious change in this society. They are fomenting armed rebellion against a popular, twice-elected president who happens to be black. The violent rants are escalating, the foot-soldiers are buying more guns and organizing. I hope the Secret Service is doing its job. Pray for our president.
+9 # CL38 2013-01-16 14:25
Agreed. From what I've read, it started in the 70's with such extreme groups as the Heritage Foundation and many others who set up and funded Republican goals to move the country far to the right. They started from the bottom up electing at the local level and moving on up.
+1 # genierae 2013-01-17 11:40
We must beat them at their own game then. Encourage young progressives in our small towns and cities to run for local office, then move up through the system. It's much better than a third party, can start to change things quickly. We have much more to offer.
+16 # Sandy G 2013-01-16 08:56
Agreed, CL38! Hard to forget that the 'assault' on unions began almost on the very first day of Ronnie Raygun's first administration. We've been on that slippery-slope since then!
+19 # ishmael 2013-01-16 01:09
The right will be much happier simply joining their Taliban brethren in a place like Afghanistan. There they will free - encouraged, in fact - to spread al manner of lies, just as they are doing now about Mr Obama and their spiritual ancestor, Hitler.
+13 # genierae 2013-01-16 07:31
I think the people of Afghanistan have suffered enough. They don't need that kind of curse, ishmael.
+3 # mdhome 2013-01-16 11:10
Yeah, but aren't they better able to deal with them?
+6 # genierae 2013-01-16 12:44
The Taliban would make short work of them, that's for sure mdhome.
+6 # CL38 2013-01-16 14:07
Their goal for a long time has been to take permanent control and impose their views on 300,000,000+.

The right continues ginning up racism and violence through propaganda and projection. We really can't afford to just sit back and watch them. Don't understand what it'll take to get people marching to demand change.
+27 # Cdesignpdx 2013-01-16 01:51
I encourage you to watch–if you haven't been–The Abolitionists airing on PBS. (Thank you Liberty Mutual and other sponsors!) The first two installments have already been aired, but you can catchup on their website (
then watch the final episode to air Tuesday, Jan. 16.

You will notice the striking similarities to then and now, and an embedded southern culture.

Arkansas-based Walmart is a shining example of modern-day slavery. The company grows based upon an economic labor model that thrives at the expense of humanity's inability to thrive. It's the 'keep them stupid, scared, dependent and desperate' model.
+25 # Vegan_Girl 2013-01-16 03:59
These are not conservatives, these are the extreme right wing. It is part of their propaganda to label themselves as conservatives. No, they are not.
+11 # wrknight 2013-01-16 09:25
You are right. No self respecting conservative would be caught dead listening to their bullshit. They are simply fascist fear and hate-mongers.
0 # Pickwicky 2013-01-20 16:56
Hey, wait a minute! If this is true, then how do so few ensure multi-million dollar salaries for the hate-filled and ugly radio talk show hosts. Sorry, I don't buy it. About 3o% of the Republican party are conservatives and that's just about what it would take to carry the hate speech millionaires. If you like dwelling on nightmares, just remember those creeps have the largest classrooms in the world.
+6 # CL38 2013-01-16 14:21
Yet they've taken over the Republican party and are intimidating/bl ackmailing 'conservatives' into submission.
+23 # RMDC 2013-01-16 05:17
It is all just pro-wrestling. The same people who listen to the right wing blowhards on the radio -- Hannity, Levin, Limbaugh, Beck, and so on -- watch WWE on TV and see the same kind of antics and cartoonism. It is just mindless entertainments, bread and circuses for the masses while the ruling elites steal the weath of the nation and plunder the world.

Don't worry. There will be no rebellion or secession. These right wing loonies are dependent on the government. Most of them are receiving social security or medicare. But I do wish they were not just blowing off steam and would leave. Personally I really do not like them. they are racists and war mongers. They shojld form a separate nation. They can call it the Confederate States of America.

But it is really all about the money. All of these AM hate radio rebels are making millions of dollars a year. It is just like WWE -- every day is a new smackdown of Obama and the cash just rolls in.
+13 # genierae 2013-01-16 07:36
Well said, RMDC, you got it just right.
+3 # Sandy G 2013-01-16 10:16
RMDC: Read Robert A Heinlein's short story 'Coventry' (1940)
+21 # WestWinds 2013-01-16 05:20
"What is it about President Obama's inauguration that bring out the craziest of the crazies?"
1) It's an excuse for attention grabbing;
2) It's an excuse to be openly racist and not have to pay any price because "All is fair in war" and politics is war;
3) When they are around shrieking and screaming the sky is about to fall, it boosts their ratings;
4) It helps of amalgamate the Right under the same banners of nuttiness and to continue the propagandist brainwashing;
5) It's telling the lies over and over again trying to embed them as truths;
6) It is how the Right moves the Left farther Right (because the Left will bend Right trying to disprove their crazy lies instead of doing the correct things in spite of the Right-wing crazy rhetoric.)

Personally, I think people like Limbaugh and Hannity should be imprisoned for life for treason and sedition. They think nothing of destroying the country that gave them tten low life.
+8 # sapereaudeprime 2013-01-16 07:52
Put those bastard cowbirds in solitary for life, where they will never hear another human voice or see the sun.
+24 # kalpal 2013-01-16 05:34
Without lies, distortions and deceptions America's right wing has no legs to stand on. Truth is its oldest and most intractable enemy. Reality has too much of a liberal bias and must be denied.

Chicken Little was a cool, calm and collected creature when compared to any right wing pundit.
+13 # genierae 2013-01-16 07:49
The obvious clue that the extremist Republicans are deluding their followers is that there's no way to defeat the US military. The very idea is ludicrous. We have the most powerful armed forces on earth, and these right-wingers think they can beat them with Bushmasters? They know better but they continue to deceive and delude in order to cause Obama as much grief as possible.
+24 # angryspittle 2013-01-16 07:54
Obama undoing democracy? Sorry nitwits, the GOP already beat him to it, starting with Bush V. Gore.
+3 # Sandy G 2013-01-16 08:00
'MORGAN: Where do you expect tyranny to come from?'

'tyranny' is a lot like 'beauty': Its in the eye of the beholder, and is as likely to come from the Right as from the Left. Either way, it can easily lead to World War!!
+9 # fhunter 2013-01-16 08:08
One of the major point in the new gun laws to identify the crazies. Most, if not all the Republicans qualify. This made the selection easy. The 62,040,610 who voted twice for Bush43 definitely qualify. Stalin would have put them in an ASYLUM. Obama, unfortunately, will not.
-19 # 2013-01-16 08:43
Interesting dialogs and panic words - from both sides. If states leave the Union, it will occur because they petition the White House with proper protocol - get denied because the Socialist agenda needs the revenue - then it most likely will not be with violence. The states will issue declarations of secession.

Frankly, I don't think it will happen.

Piers Morgan?? Arrogance, and nobody likes a wise-guy - NOBODY. He is quite bright and at times likeable....but he was devoured on the public stage by Ben Shapiro. To Morgan's credit, he did invite Ben on to the program instead of avoiding him.

Over 80% of the voting Americans disapproved of congress and yet voted back in over 94% of Congress. As dangerous as the administration' s socialism is, and as stupid and intransigent as both parties of Congress are, the real dilemna for our nation is a voting bloc that re-elects those kinds of people. Should we write, "HUH?" or "DUH?"
+15 # fhunter 2013-01-16 08:59
Assault rifles are very effective against kids in the first elementary class, but may not work so well against the U.S. Navy, Air Force, Marines.
I am waiting for a Republican leader, like Boehner and Cantor to tell these idiots, like Hannity to cut it out.
+8 # robniel 2013-01-16 10:57
Dream on.
+6 # Cassandra2012 2013-01-16 12:42
+4 # X Dane 2013-01-16 15:38
Hell will DEFINITELY freeze over before that happens...They are in cahoots!!
+1 # Kootenay Coyote 2013-01-16 09:44
To understand the situation better, see:
+4 # zornorff 2013-01-16 10:02
There are far more of these addled "patriots" than we least most of them don't own guns.Most of them just sit on the sidelines and cheer for the vocal crackpots and send their friends hate laced emails directed at non-whites talking of conspiracies and government takeovers.
+18 # wrodwell 2013-01-16 10:07
The wing-nut right wingers are right about the possibility of a fascist takeover, but they're dead wrong about the source. They claim that mild-mannered Barack Obama is "Hitler-like", and an off the charts flaming-liberal -socialist-fasc ist conspirator. If we do suffer the terrors of a future fascist takeover, it will come from the Right, not the Left, just like it did in Germany. The American Right often mentions Hitler; he's their favorite straw man. But, such a fascination reveals more of an affinity with Hitler than they realize. The Bush Administration' s mendacious tactics during the build-up to the Iraq War is a prime example of American fascism. Anyone who didn't go along with the program was demonized as "unpatriotic" - or worse. Hitler's similarly relentless power tactics (including setting the Reichstag arson fire which he blamed on the "enemies of Germany") eventually forced Germany to "ask" him to become Chancellor in order to "save" the German nation.
The guns-at-all-cos ts faction would have us believe that firearms are our best defense against creeping fascism. For them, there is no other way to deal with that or any other problem. However, the best defense Americans do have against tyranny and government overreach is an involved and ever vigilant citizenry. I guess it's just easier to go buy a gun than to take the time to invest oneself in becoming better informed. Guns are not power but a symbol of fear and weakness. Knowledge is the true power.
+1 # treadlightly 2013-01-17 17:58
Ding Ding Ding
We have a winner!!!
I was wondering how you managed to get 16 approvals this far down in the commentary.
Glad I stopped to read what you had to say.
The projection you mention is absolutely a dead tip off for what is really going on in a paranoid delusional mindset. I just can not see the extreme right in any other light. Unless they are just playing to the delusional tendencies in the minds of their listeners. If that's the case then they are far more devious and dangerous than I thought.
+8 # rockieball 2013-01-16 10:09
The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. “The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.
+6 # robniel 2013-01-16 10:59
What do you expect from a shithead like LaPierre?
+6 # Trish42 2013-01-16 10:22
If the Right wants to prevent fascism, they're too late. Isn't fascism having corporations in bed with government? Aren't we already there. And what part of the 2nd Amendment's "a well-regulated militia" do they not understand. Oh wait, they've already removed the first clause from the Amendment, so no problem!
+8 # Cassandra2012 2013-01-16 12:44
"Fascism should rather be called corporatism, as it is the merging of government and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini
+7 # szq5777 2013-01-16 10:49
I can not understand this insane right-wing crap! What tyranny are they talking about? What do they think the government is going to do? Put us all in concentration camps? Even if every citizen had fifty assult weapons it would not protect us against bombs, tanks, missiles and nuks. This is not 1776 when all the military had was guns. If the government wanted to turn to tyranny all the guns it the world would not stop them! This government does not have a history of such action against its citizens! What are these idiots thinking!
+8 # wwway 2013-01-16 11:16
conservatives are trolling for assissins much like the religious right church preachers have done from their pulpits the last 40 years in particular. They hype their listeners into thinking they must do something and a few of them do take it upon themselves.
As for accusing Obama of being Hitler, that's an effort to distract the public from the fact that it is they who are well schooled in Hitler's propaganda techniques. President Bush himself admitted the style when he said that "if you say things over and over people will believe you." Hitler's propagandists promoted this effort and more. Hitler would be very please at the conservative propagandists in this country. I don't have time to copy out a quote from Hitler's writings about his propaganda technique. I might later. One of the things he stated was that the people are stupid and easilly manipulated to defend efforts against their best interest.
The very idea that Americans have been convinced to believe that gun ownership and freedom to walk into a theater or school to kill in mass is more important than the lives lost is an example of Hitler's propaganda success. So the next time you hear a conservative telling you that Obama is Hitler or Stalin it is they who aspire to be them.
-9 # The Voice of Reason 2013-01-16 11:26
We all know what happened 100 years ago when the government took our alcohol by the force of law. The Gangster Rebellion broke out; and when the gangsters won and got their seat in government, they renamed it 'The Roaring 20s'. My guess, to highlight the excitement of drive by shootings, mob rule, and alcoholism.

But I don't really expect that kind of reaction from gun owners. They seem so rational, so concerned about the good of the people, and not at all red-necked. Or trigger happy.
+10 # mudbike 2013-01-16 13:07
Sportsmen?? What a joke. If you go out and wrestle a deer to the ground with your hands, that might be considered a sport. But i don't see anything sporting of waiting around with a gun and shooting them as the helplessly happen by. Also, I could accept that one hunts for the meat and hides, but what kind of mind would take pleasure in the act of killing a living creature and/or to kill solely for the sake of mounting a trophy on the wall. It seems a pretty sick mind is required.
+9 # rannel 2013-01-16 14:05
As a former teacher, I find it rather difficult to believe that someone would even suggest that teachers be armed with a concealed weapon. Wouldn't it be great to have to face someone who has an AK47 assault weapon when all you have is a little pea shooter? I guess you'd have to be like Wyatt Earp and be quick on the draw... shoot first and find out that the person you killed was some innocent soul. Talk about the wild west! How nutty can you get?
Gun crazy, talk of revolution when your side doesn't win an election, fear for the life of your child when he/she leaves for home in the morning, lies told to justify invasion of Iraq... looks like a failed society to me.
+4 # wwway 2013-01-16 21:17
I agree. I'm a teacher as well. I could carry a piece and someone like Lanza would come in at shoot 6 rounds before I could even think to pull my piece. The arguments used are false appeal to a sense of security that only serve to sell guns. That isn't safety.
+7 # angelfish 2013-01-16 14:41
The Self-serving and Immoral Nazi/Fascists in our Congress, no less, are QUIETLY on the march to redistrict ALL the red States to rig the Electoral College, guaranteeing ReTHUGlican wins in all our subsequent Presidential Elections. THIS is being ignored by the Main Stream Press. I heard it on Rachel Maddow's Show last night and believe that THIS will be the next assault on American Freedoms and Ideals. WAKE UP, fellow Citizens! They WILL screw us into the ground, IF we let them! They got away with SO much during the "shrub's" Reign of Imperialist Bull-Puckey, and are chomping at the bit to REALLY squelch everyone's Constitutional Rights. I believe all this Brouhaha over Gun Control is just a Smoke Screen for their darker, ulterior motives.
+6 # David Starr 2013-01-16 18:16
Quoting Boehlert's valid statement about the right: "...Obama is like Hitler; that he's a tyrant ready to undo democracy at home. Americans need access to an unregulated supply of assault weapons in order to fight their looming insurrectionist war with the government."

Amazing. I really don't think Obama is out to support myths of Ayran supremacy and conducting a "final solution" against Jews. Rather, that's more to the extreme right. And it appears that the right side of the political spectrum is meshing more and more together.

As for "gubberment," I recall that southern state governments, in particular, had their own tyranny, their own final solution when it came to being afflicted with a superiority complex, and wanting extermination of the "Other," except for slaves since the latter were the "backbone" of the "genteel" economy; now, it is evident among righties across the nation, in a form that is becoming more simplistically B/W.

"Big gubberment?" I would be just as leery about state governments who want to turn the clock back to "happier times."
+2 # scallywag 2013-01-16 21:59
Thomas Jefferson did actually make the argument that people should have guns to defend themselves against the government. Jefferson, however, was not present (he was an ambassador to France) when the Constitution was discussed and ratified. This notion that the Founders intended the second amendment for the purpose of fostering vigilantism is historically and legally ridiculous. The Founders were privileged men who wanted to protect their interests- they didn't want citizens overthrowing the government. One could make a normative argument for assault rifle ownership (I'd disagree), but there is no legal or historical basis for it. The Heller case, even with its partisan conniving, still allows restrictions.

From the ordinarily rancid mouth of Scalia: "We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller (an earlier case) said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those “in common use at the time”. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’" Are assault rifles "dangerous and unusual weapons?" I'd say yes.

And one more thing- a lot of the liberals (I'm some kind of Marxist) on here are reacting with the same reactionary hate and acrimony exhibited by conservatives. Use your knowledge of the facts, not emotional rhetoric. A lot of these issues are pretty nuanced and can't be reduced to simplistic rants.
+1 # brux 2013-01-16 23:14
vigilantism ... you just use this work to make your argument appear reasonable, but it is not to me.

I think this is not a good time to be sidetracked by the gun control issue.
0 # brux 2013-01-16 23:11
I just have to say that with the current state of our republic, the blatant ownership of the government by private interests that are taking everything in the country that is not bolted down and "renting" it back to use as below sustainable wages ... maybe we should be armed.

I do not believe that gun control is the issue of the time, the issue of the time is who owns America and what rights do the people have? Until this is worked out I think gun control ought to go on the back burner.
+2 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-01-17 00:24
There is a solution to Fox News. Since Fox News is doing its best to wipe out common sense in America (has contributed to this infamous "ideal" with the old white Southern males)we need to picket Fox News. Not just a few pickets, but hundreds, thousands. Any volunteers? Freedom of speech yes. but when this News organization gets totally crazy, it is time to show peaceful public contempt for what they do, are up to.

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