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Knefel reports: "Guantanamo Bay and the RDI program are both back in the news now, each for their own unsavory reasons, and their reemergence should be a reminder of how fully the Obama administration has embraced the logic underpinning the Bush regime's response to 9/11."

American flag behind barbed wire at Guantanamo. (photo: AP)
American flag behind barbed wire at Guantanamo. (photo: AP)


Symbols of Bush-Era Lawlessness Flourish Under Obama

By John Knefel, Rolling Stone

05 April 13

Guantanamo Bay prison plans expansion, while CIA official linked to torture cover-up gets promoted

uring the George W. Bush years, two of the most controversial elements of what was then called the Global War on Terror were the CIA's rendition, detention and interrogation (RDI) program and the creation of the prison camps at Guantanamo Bay. The RDI program included waterboarding and other forms of torture, as well as so-called black site prisons where detainees were held incommunicado after being abducted by the CIA, and sometimes tortured by members of the host country's security forces.

Guantanamo Bay and the RDI program are both back in the news now, each for their own unsavory reasons, and their reemergence should be a reminder of how fully the Obama administration has embraced the logic underpinning the Bush regime's response to 9/11. The Pentagon is now requesting nearly $200 million for Guantanamo Bay infrastructure upgrades, including $49 million for a new unit for "special" prisoners - likely the so-called high-value detainees currently housed at Camp 7, which include self-proclaimed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. The Pentagon's reasoning is that neither the president nor Congress have any plans to close the prison anytime soon, so these repairs are necessary.

This massive capital request comes as detainees are engaged in an increasingly dire hunger strike to protest their indefinite detention and to signal their lack of hope for transfer or release. Instead of closing Guantanamo Bay, the Obama administration stands poised to do the very opposite - pour more money into what is already the country's most expensive prison.

Meanwhile, participation in the CIA's controversial RDI program has resulted for at least one person not in prosecution or professional sanctions, but rather in a promotion. For the last several weeks, an unnamed woman has been acting director of the National Clandestine Service - the part of the CIA that runs spying and covert operations, including the CIA's drone program - as first reported by the Washington Post. This is the first time a woman has held that position. But this particular woman was a major figure in the RDI program, once ran a black site prison, and has been linked to the destruction of interrogation tapes that almost certainly documented the CIA's use of torture.

In 2005, the unnamed woman was chief of staff for Jose Rodriguez, then the acting director for the clandestine service. Rodriguez ordered the destruction of at least 92 tapes CIA agents made of the interrogations of two high-value detainees, Abu Zubayah and Abd Al-Rahim Al-Nashiri - at least some of which included waterboarding, which is widely regarded as a form of torture. The New York Times reported that the woman "and Jose were the two main drivers for years for getting the tapes destroyed" - an anonymous quote they attributed to a "former senior CIA officer." In his memoir, Rodriguez said that the woman drafted the cable allowing the destruction of the tapes after meeting with CIA lawyers.

Rodriguez ordered the tapes destroyed despite a 2004 court order to preserve them, an act which led the American Civil Liberties Union to attempt, unsuccessfully, to hold the CIA in contempt of court. In 2007, The New York Times reported that members of the 9/11 Commission were not aware of the existence or destruction of the tapes, despite their requests for exactly that kind of evidence. Neither were the two highest-ranking members of the House Intelligence Committee in 2005. The Department of Justice has twice investigated the destruction of the tapes, but has not brought charges against anyone involved.

So the prison at Guantanamo Bay is likely to get more funding, including a new prison, and a CIA agent tied to one of the most shameful episodes of the last decade will likely be granted a powerful, coveted spot at the CIA. That she'll be promoted by new CIA director John Brennan, himself a high-level CIA official during the worst torture years, is only appropriate in Obama's age of "look forward, not backward." And instead of robust protest from liberals, there is for the most part either silence or acquiescence. What was once controversial is now institutionalized and accepted - a fact which may ultimately be one of the Obama administration's most lasting legacies.

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+31 # REDPILLED 2016-08-21 08:47
The Carter-Reagan-B ush I-Clinton-Bush II-Obama Neoconservative /Neoliberal Movement has already destroyed the U.S. middle class and increased the numbers of the poor, while murdering millions abroad in illegal wars of aggression (the prime international crime of the Nuremberg Trials), drone assassinations, coups, and special operations in more than one hundred countries.

President Hillary will, no doubt, continue and escalate this bloody record of wealth redistribution to the top 1% and mass murder abroad.

Trump's Neo-fascism will simply finish off what all the previous war criminal administrations set in motion.
 
 
0 # RMDC 2016-08-21 15:10
Does anyone know what Reich mean's by "Trump's Neo-fascism"? He throws around the term fascism a lot but all it seems to mean is "bad." Fascism does have a meaning but Reich does not seem to be using it in the way it means. It is just a derogatory term in his usage. It is like calling Trump an asshole. A neo-fascist. A shithead. A bigot. A horrible person.
 
 
-3 # Saberoff 2016-08-21 17:29
seems to me what's her name's politics is more closely related to fascism.
 
 
+1 # librarian1984 2016-08-22 00:35
Does Sec. Reich NOT think that war with Russia will haunt this country for decades? That a further four or eight years of corporate fascism won't haunt us, or the continued involvement in the Middle East?

Why is the spotlight constantly shone on the enemy-of-the-we ek but never on the chosen winner? The continued bleating of danger hype would be more believable if the same people weren't so assiduously ignoring Her Worshipfulness' problems.

Why aren't we hearing about Clinton's possible health problems? Is anyone trying to verify or deny these claims? Would rsn tell us if they were? Where is the balance anywhere?

Americans are supposed to be honest, inventive, brave, adventurous, straightforward . What happened to our country?

Oligarchs, that's what. A precious few on NYC's UES and elsewhere who decide their limo's minibar upgrade is more important than hungry kids or crumbling bridges or jobs. They, like the many fatuous pundits who spout off for them, have decided that all this great country's resources should go to them, while the rest of us fight over crumbs.

I understand the impulse. Most of us, as beneficiaries of the robber barons' fortunes, would find a way to justify using our power and influence to gain more and more.

But I think at some point most of us would, wisely, say, Wow, I'm pretty happy with that. I should relax. Get to know my family again. Get a hobby.
 
 
+2 # librarian1984 2016-08-22 00:46
But these people never relax. Their greed and lust for power are reinforced by familial and class loyalties and apparently by some stupid Lord of the Flies bs too. Grow up. Coffins? Satanic neonazis? Really? What are you, seven yo?

But no. They are, instead, a bunch of inbred megalomaniacal sociopaths who think, despite abounding evidence, that they're qualified to run things.

What a bunch of inept morans. THIS is the best they can do?

Oligarch: Oh look! I won! I have EVERYTHING!

Dying Friend: But we're all dead. You're the only one left .... (gasp)

Oligarch: (looks around) Oh. (looks around) But who will wipe my bum?

These people THINK they're brilliant but they are not. Also not brilliant, the fools who buy it hook, line and sinker. HRC has ALREADY told us Superpredator Bill is going to be in charge of the economy, so she gets the military. She's telegraphing war, TPP, fracking.

Would you vote for a donkey if they told you to? Geez.

Moran oligarchs are shoving Hillary: Warrior Princess down our throats. That really makes me NOT want to do that.

Trump is a pig in a poke, yes. But Hillary is a known commodity, literally. Maybe if we can all chip in and BUY HILLARY from the oligarchs and make her work for us we might have a chance but otherwise we should be plenty worried about what's coming.

And the 'rulers', the ones pulling HRC's and everybody else's strings? Unfit to rule. We need to weaken them and this is a good opportunity to do that.
 
 
+1 # librarian1984 2016-08-22 00:57
We need to keep discussing our electoral strategy, yes. But every one of us needs to get informed about out local races and state offices too. The Kochs are putting a lot of money into those races.

I often feel blind going in to some elections where there are a lot of judges running, say, who I don't know much about. I'm embarrassed to admit I sometimes vote for the letter or the gender if I'm not informed and that's a stupid way to vote. Sometimes there are no opponents. I need to find out what my options are if it turns out they're a bad candidate.

Recently Chaka Fattah lost his primary after allegations of financial misconduct and trial. (He was found guilty on almost all counts.) After 22 years and a lot of affection Philadelphia voters kicked him out. Good for them.

I think all of us are WEARY TO TEARS of this corruption and greed, these politicians who enable all manner of mischief against the citizens. They are too corrupt to feel shame. And the ones who still have a conscience should listen to it. Expose the system.

This is a propitious moment. Bernie has exposed their weakness and gathered the troops. The oligarchs have sent out their champion, HRC, and she is using her Fool as a smokescreen.

We can't fall for this again because next time they'll make it even harder to overthrow them. We need to get rid of this parasitic ultraminority. They are bleeding us dry.

Each of us needs to learn about our local elections.
 
 
+2 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-23 08:34
@lib,
As usual, you've got the whole dreadful thing pegged. You're embarrassed? I'd say you're human, doing the best you and I've done the same thing regarding local elections.

Weary to tears is right. And you can add a few exclamation marks for good measure. Weary with what begins to feel like Sisyphean labors but labors which we can't afford to give up on.

Propitious, yes. If enough of us seize this moment with our ballots for all elections.
 
 
-1 # RMDC 2016-08-22 06:43
librarian -- i've been watching some of the Clinton brain damage videos on youtube. They seem too much faked and over-edited to be credible. But who knows? The media can hide anyting -- Reagan was pretty much mentally gone for his last two years, Wilson had a stroke that incapacitated him, FDR was crippled. And no one really knew about these. Hillary might just as well be brain dead. She won't be making decisions; Bill will. All she needs to do is make an appearance in front of the TV every once in a while and the country will be happy with its first woman president.

At least we know Putin is healthy and energetic. Maybe Hillary should adopt some of his practices.
 
 
-2 # Activista 2016-08-22 22:43
"At least we know Putin is healthy and energetic. Maybe Hillary should adopt some of his practices."
Are you serious or is this a sick joke? Putin is totalitarian to the core - product of KGB and Soviet Union.
 
 
+1 # deadhead 2016-08-24 16:13
What does FDR being "crippled" have to do with anything? His mind was just fine. His *handicap* involved polio after-effects. As for your remark: "But who knows? The media can hide anyting" is an excellent iteration of Trump's "some say . . ."
 
 
-1 # ericlipps 2016-08-21 17:31
Quoting RMDC:
Does anyone know what Reich mean's by "Trump's Neo-fascism"? He throws around the term fascism a lot but all it seems to mean is "bad." Fascism does have a meaning but Reich does not seem to be using it in the way it means. It is just a derogatory term in his usage. It is like calling Trump an asshole. A neo-fascist. A shithead. A bigot. A horrible person.

Re Trump's status as a fascist, see Merriam-Webster 's second definition of that term.
 
 
+6 # Cassandra2012 2016-08-22 22:57
Obviously you've never read Mussolini's corporate comparison & consequent definition... . Nor apparently watched the documentaries on WWII showing the rise of populist brown shirts & the thugs that clamored for Hitler & destroyed the fledgling democratic legislature in Germany etc.
Trump (Der Drumpf) is the embodiment of
all that is to be dreaded in a NEO-fascist renewal of anti-democratic authoritarianis m,reckless militancy, bigotry, xenophobia, misogyny, racist false sense of 'supremacy' ,& belligerent lack of empathy towards other human beings.
 
 
0 # deadhead 2016-08-24 16:08
Reich has defined it nicely and he's right. Trump is cleverly establishing his own "Mein Kampf" moment. Ask the jews and gypsys of Europe if xenophobic rhetoric and control of the media are unimportant.

Mr Reich knows exactly the meaning of fascism - neo and otherwise.
 
 
0 # Dion Giles 2016-08-21 20:55
The defining characteristics of fascism which made it so repugnant to the world as to sustain millions in world war against it are not econowonk definitions but

# its authoritarianism
# its overt muzzling of dissent
# its denial of democracy
# its personal cruelty
# its contempt for national self-determination

Obama ticks only two of those boxes incontrovertibl y - his pursuit of whistleblowers is overt muzzling of dissent and his continued pursuit of permanent war to change regimes in Africa and the Middle East is contempt for national self-determinat ion. Hillary Clinton is similar but threatens physical destruction of the population of America itself and the rest of the world by extending permanent war to nuclear-armed Russia.

ISIS ticks all five of the boxes. I would share Jimmyjames' uncertainty whether the wily Donald Trump is a fascist.
 
 
-3 # RMDC 2016-08-22 06:56
Dion -- thanks. This makes sense. And I agree with jimmyjames -- the US has been a fascist state for a very long time.

For me, Obama's cruelty is paramount. His determination to overthrow the government of Syria no matter what the cost to innocent civilians goes down in the world book of records as cruelty. Why can't he just give up the regime change idea?

America is a very authoritarian nation for everyone other than white people. African Americans are harrassed by the police daily. Immigrants often live in terror of the police. Mexicans or others who look as if they may not have citizenship papers are often harassed. There are 2.5 million people in prison and another 15 million on parole, probation, or some other form of criminal justice control. Half of African Americans have a felony convictions which means they've lost many civil rights.

Nationalism is rampant in the "exceptional nation." The US does not abide by any international laws it chooses to violate just because it is the #1 Nation.

But none of this gets to the real heart of fascism which is the corporate control of the state. Fascism is anti-democratic because corporations control the government and use it for their own goals. War is often one of those goals. The wars are resource wars.

On this last point, Hillary is 100 times more fascistic than Trump.

Trump is a populist, or at least his campaign is playing that role. I don't want to confuse populism with fascism.
 
 
+23 # jimmyjames 2016-08-21 08:49
We are already in a neo-fascist movement. Trump did not create it, and I am not even sure if he is part of it. But the Clintons and Bushes have surely had a hand in it.
 
 
+40 # Timshel 2016-08-21 09:09
As an immensely wise person has made it clear, you cannot see the meaning of what is going on now without also seeing that a mainstream revolution is taking place in America. Young and old and middle-aged Americans are, as never before, in open revolt against an economic system where their value is seen only in relation to how much profit they can make for a few families. Millions of them want an economic system that is fair to all and support Bernie Sanders, and millions of them want to change our exploitive system so much they would prefer to have a Nazi like Trump in the White House, who actually leads a gang of the same old parasitic Republicans, than continue with the same old Democratic lies.

There are many parallels between the rise of Trump and that of Hitler. It was the support of greedy German and American industrialists and bankers in the early days that helped Hitler eventually take over.

The great good change in Americans is why Clinton is foolish if she thinks she can win and then do what she really wants. And whatever the reason that most Americans are reluctant to directly criticize Obama for trying to push through TPP in the lame duck session, this evil effort will have so many people curse him far into the future if he succeeds. The objection to the TPP must be open and aimed at Clinton and Obama, or the right wing fascists (corporatists and banksters with no scruples at all) will have the best chance of taking over the country.
 
 
+9 # economagic 2016-08-21 19:40
"Young and old and middle-aged Americans are, as never before, in open revolt against an economic system where their value is seen only in relation to how much profit they can make for a few families."

I wouldn't quite call it "open revolt" YET -- except for Trump's followers, and there's the rub.
 
 
+31 # Realist1948 2016-08-21 09:09
After Trump loses the presidential election (as he likely will), the mainstream media will cease to have any reason to pay attention to him. Without lots of free media coverage, I expect Trump's star to fade away rapidly. Right-wing media may spend some time on his rants, which may include accusations about how the election was rigged. But I'm hopeful that if we ignore Trump, he will soon go away.
 
 
+31 # opinionaire 2016-08-21 09:46
Unfortunately that has not worked for the scourge from Wassilla.
 
 
-5 # goodsensecynic 2016-08-21 17:56
Quoting opinionaire:
Unfortunately that has not worked for the scourge from Wassilla.


Unfortunately?
 
 
+7 # economagic 2016-08-21 19:43
"Unfortunately, " as her 15 minutes of fame have NOT ended, as R'48 has predicted will happen to Trump. Our best hope is that he will lose interest, which is certainly not unlikely.
 
 
+4 # Blackjack 2016-08-21 15:14
Quoting Realist1948:
After Trump loses the presidential election (as he likely will), the mainstream media will cease to have any reason to pay attention to him. Without lots of free media coverage, I expect Trump's star to fade away rapidly. Right-wing media may spend some time on his rants, which may include accusations about how the election was rigged. But I'm hopeful that if we ignore Trump, he will soon go away.


This doesn't sound realistic at all to me!
 
 
+1 # RMDC 2016-08-22 13:24
realist -- don't bet any money on Trump's star fading away. All of this is brand building for him. There will be more new real estate deals than ever once Trump is finished with the presidential stuff.
 
 
+45 # jazzman633 2016-08-21 09:16
I hope Realist is right. Lincoln said that America could never be defeated by a foreign power...that if our democracy were to be destroyed, we would do it to ourselves.
 
 
+28 # jimmyjames 2016-08-21 09:22
Quoting jazzman633:
I hope Realist is right. Lincoln said that America could never be defeated by a foreign power...that if our democracy were to be destroyed, we would do it to ourselves.


Well, we seem to be doing a pretty good job of it. With a lot of help from politicians, rampant election fraud, and the main stream media.
 
 
+17 # Capn Canard 2016-08-21 12:02
I believe the Realist is correct, however the real danger has always been privatized banking. It can't exist without debt. As the only "value" that is created is debt.

In other words, as difficult it may be to accept, Ron Paul was right. But so was Denis Kucinich. And so is Elizabeth Warren. As is Ellen Brown and all and any who want the Federal Reserve replaced with community, public banking.

As it was once said:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

quote attributed to Thomas Jefferson
 
 
+7 # DaveEwoldt 2016-08-21 16:35
As far as creation of the money supply goes, I believe you're right, Capn Canard--privati zation and debt are bad foundations for an economy. Privatization of a common good leads to inequity, so a democratic polity must control it. Since it is impossible to create something out of nothing (except as a story) debt, as a commodity, has less substance than fairy dust, and makes a really lousy measure of wealth.
 
 
+4 # economagic 2016-08-21 19:55
So are you advocating making lending and borrowing unlawful? Both are inseparable from banking regardless of under whose aegis. In fact, they are the definition of banking. I don't mean to be sarcastic: That would be a defensible stance, but it would have draconian consequences. It seems more likely that you are advocating an end to banking for private profit. That is even more defensible, though it would be astoundingly difficult to achieve in the near future! In fact, some people advocate an end to pri9vate profit in general, though better case can be made for allowing a good deal of latitude for "small" businesses, with some preferences for co-operatives, while treating entities above some particular size (e.g., GM, GE, Microsoft) as public utilities.
 
 
+3 # jimmyjames 2016-08-21 09:41
Great interview!

"U.S. Considers Its Citizens Cowards"
By Dmitry Orlov Via SomethingFeelsWrong

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45326.htm
 
 
+10 # indian weaver 2016-08-21 10:04
I recommend everyone bookmark: informationclea ringhouse.com for the best in international and domestic hard hitting news. It's one of the best of all online news sources.
 
 
-3 # jimmyjames 2016-08-21 10:21
I totally agree! I have been a ICH reader and donor for several years because of their publishing informative and relevant articles that really affect our lives - NOT nonstop bullshit articles by Robert Reich (Hillary shill).
 
 
+6 # Timshel 2016-08-21 11:04
I looked at informationclea ringhouse.com and I cannot see why you praise it. It seems to be a drop off point for all kinds of internet articles of every kind, including some that are loony, some viciously anti-Semitic and some just paranoid. It does also have some useful information amidst the slanted articles. It appears so anti-Clinton that it ends up pro-Trump, especially in not criticizing that Nazi. In the main it is no more trustworthy than the NY Times.
 
 
+3 # Capn Canard 2016-08-21 12:33
Timshel, InfoClearingHou se does give a voice that the American alternative press dare not touch. As far as I'm concerned, charges of Anti-semitism are empty threats. Always remember that the ADL needs to keep calling any who have actual evidence of Israeli's terrorism and killing of Palestinian children from presenting said evidence.

General paranoia? Perhaps, though that is the standard operating procedure of the MSM. They expect us to be paranoid of anything un-American. The American MSM is beyond childish and most are so sacred witless of the powers that be, i.e. the monetary system.
 
 
+3 # economagic 2016-08-21 19:57
"Sacred witless" -- I like it!
 
 
+31 # tedrey 2016-08-21 09:42
According to the site set up by the White House on prospective legislation, public opinion now runs 97% to 03% *against* the TPP.

https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/114/x418

But PopVox continues:

"Last Friday, the Obama administration issued formal notice to Congress of intent to sign the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), by submitting a draft statement of administrative action [SAA]."

The needs, desires, and opinions of the American public are *way* down on the government's list of priorities.
 
 
+22 # Billy Bob 2016-08-21 10:12
 
 
+8 # economagic 2016-08-21 19:58
I'm with you, Billy Bob.
 
 
+1 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-23 08:48
@tedrey, BB, eco,
1. Tedrey,
Say WHAT?? Virtually everyone is against this thing and Obama's going with it--ANYWAY?!

2. BB,
When I moved back stateside all I knew was that the Rebubs were finally out and a Dem was finally in the W H., so everything was supposed to be ok, right? And for the same reasons you gave.

3. eco,
Ditto. Granted, I'm still not a Repub. But I'm learning the hard and agonizing way that labels and don't necessarily mean shit.
 
 
+1 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-23 09:49
@tedrey,
Thanks for listing the website. I never heard of it before. Would it do any good to register and say that I'm against it? Although, if it's already 97% against ...

Damn. And damn Obama. Never, in a million lifetimes did I think I'd say that. Or that he'd put me in the position to say that.

Obama, be very careful, my brother. Not one soul escapes karma.
 
 
+5 # Tigre1 2016-08-21 09:46
Trump and his cohorts are merely froth in the latest wave of the reaction of the socially-crushe d. This eruption is usually aggressive enough to gain visibility, hence the tough-talking wrongwingers who are prominent among them.

So who are the crushed ones? everybody who feels denied access to the goodies of life.
The 'Losers' of Trumps's universe. Yes, there are equal and opposite reactions. And nobody knows when the more powerful reactions are coming, but most assuredly the have-nots will 'get even'.

As lazy and comfort-loving as I am, I can't believe that all the speedboat rides, helicopter views, trips to foreign lands, attention of beautiful women...how could the life of privilege ever compensate for the feeling of walking around with a large target on your shirt?
 
 
-11 # Saberoff 2016-08-21 09:55
Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump, Bob
 
 
+2 # ReconFire 2016-08-21 15:46
Quoting Saberoff:
Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump, Bob


You're point is....
 
 
+4 # Saberoff 2016-08-21 17:41
OK
Here's Reich talking about Trump soaking up the media while contributing to soak up the media with more Trump.

You know, I gotta tell ya: I think it's quite amazing I have to explain myself all the time on this site(?) Seems like a lot of great thinkers here, and then... "What are you talking about? Must be nefarious!!!"
 
 
+3 # Billy Bob 2016-08-21 20:56
 
 
+1 # Ray Kondrasuk 2016-08-21 21:25
BB, I don't get the moose...
 
 
+2 # Saberoff 2016-08-21 22:19
The damn article is about too much Trump in the media so Reich adds some more. What's there to get?
Ya, Trump Trump Trump and more Trump.
FCS
 
 
+5 # librarian1984 2016-08-22 01:47
How about this:

"Trump. Trump. Trump. Trump. Trump. Trump. What do you think?"
 
 
+1 # Billy Bob 2016-08-22 08:41
BRILLIANT.

I saw 6 of them, and thought to myself, "Gee! How many more could there be?", and then, BOOM! Out came SEVEN!

I got chills!
 
 
+1 # Billy Bob 2016-08-22 08:48
I believe the moose represents the metaphysical imagery and interesting rhythmic devices, which seemed to counterpoint the surrealism of the underlying metaphor of the humanity, (OOPS! Vogonity - sorry) of the poet's compassionate soul, which contrives through the medium of the verse structure to sublimate this, transcend that, and come to terms with the fundamental dichotomies of the other, where one is left with a profound and vivid insight into ... into whatever the comment was about!
 
 
0 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-23 08:54
@BB,
Vogonity? Ok, I had to google that one. Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy, I've read. To the Universe, I haven't. Thus, what you've said makes zero sense to me right now.

...except your last line. Which I gather is your well made point.
 
 
+3 # Saberoff 2016-08-21 22:21
Yup. Now your gettin' it. Your supposed to get All That.
 
 
+1 # Billy Bob 2016-08-22 08:51
Thanks. That certainly cleared it all up!
 
 
0 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-23 08:56
Saberoff & BB,
Y'all crack this gal up! :-)
 
 
+10 # Billy Bob 2016-08-21 10:09
Stephen Bannon is 62
Roger Ailes is 76
Donald Trump is 70
Hillary Clinton is 69

These people will NOT be doing this "decades" into the future.

In 10 years, the demographic shifts will make baby boomers look like dinosaurs, and their "me" generation selfishness will give rise (out of necessity) to a dominant demographic concerned with providing basic necessities for all of us and dealing with the profit-driven mess the baby boomers caused (more than any other generation in history - especially considering the fact that they did this while better information was available).

My children will inherit a terrible mess to clean up, but they're the only ones whose slate is actually clean enough to do it - and they AIN'T conservatives.

Trump's nomination is a good thing (even IF Clinton was largely behind it). It showcases the stupidity of the far right, and just how far it's driven itself away from objective reality.

Hillary, on the other hand, won't be governing more than another 8 years, but the wake of her legacy WILL haunt us for decades to come. We're at a turning point, and rather than pulling away from the waterfall in front of us, Hillary is saying "FULL STEAM AHEAD!"
 
 
+1 # Saberoff 2016-08-21 17:52
I'm a baby boomer and I already look like a dinosaur... So what?

You know, the more of this I read, the more I want to say fuck you.
 
 
0 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-23 09:03
@Saberoff,
Perhaps BB meant only those specific baby boomers?
 
 
0 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-23 09:08
@BB,
What a macabre inheritance, which I fear might go beyond a mess. A mess suggests that something-one is actually still there. I fear a complete absence, i.e., nada, rien, nichts, zilch.
 
 
+1 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-23 09:37
BB,
As I looked at the ages you listed, my thought(s): Please bear in mind that increasingly advanced years guarantee nothing. I don't know the expiration dates of any of the people you've listed. By the same token, Biden outlived his son. My mom will be 82 early next month and is still a very active activist who outlived her 1st born.

What I do know, for me: Write Bernie in, or go for Stein. With either Hillary Trump or Donald Clinton we're black-burnt toast.
 
 
+10 # AshamedAmerican 2016-08-21 10:12
You may be right, Reich, but Clinton is already worse.

The conglomerated corporate media will continue to get worse regardless of Trump's further existence. Meanwhile Clinton is leading the "fascist movement that will haunt America for decades". Her "gold standard" trade agreement(s) will give big business authority over government. That will result in leading fascism into environmental collapse. And she will continue to be a warmonger, and she will continue to pressure Russia and China. Given the "dystopian future" we can expect from HRC, even Donald Trump will likely "look responsible by comparison".
 
 
+12 # DaveEwoldt 2016-08-21 10:17
Trump will fade away into obscurity as soon as the corporate media quits covering him.
 
 
0 # librarian1984 2016-08-23 05:28
Are you sure? Trump has got Ailes (Fox) and Bannon (Breitbart) on his team now. Whether or not he wins he could decide to start a news channel or some such.

Gee, I wonder what he would call it? Just kidding. Pretty sure it would be something like TrumpTV or Trump Multimedia.
 
 
+1 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-23 09:40
@lib,
Trump Multimedia. That's not a recurring nightmare. That's a recurring night terror.
 
 
+5 # backwards_cinderella 2016-08-21 10:23
Trump is doing his jump admirably, making sure HRC gets into the White House.
 
 
0 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-23 09:09
@bc,
I mean this literally: well said, Sherlock.
 
 
+10 # djnova50 2016-08-21 10:26
Dr. Reich, You ask what do I think, I think the corporate media, including you spends way too much time on Donald Trump...and Hillary Clinton.

I want to see more articles about Jill Stein...and Gary Johnson. Voters have the right to get to know the candidates. I remember the days when political ad space or air time were given equally to all candidates, including third party candidates.

Dr. Reich, here is an article that you might want to read: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/19/roaming-charges-prime-time-green/

It's about Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka, and the Green Town Hall that aired on CNN on August 17, 2016.
 
 
+1 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-23 09:10
@djn,
Please repeat this every day. It can't be said too often.
 
 
+6 # guomashi 2016-08-21 10:26
Wake up Professor Reich!
The movement you refer to is not "neo" and it's not "Trump's".
It's been around for centuries, and it has already destroyed America.

What are you going to do about it?
Shill for Hill?
Make it worse, why don't you?
 
 
+13 # kyzipster 2016-08-21 10:34
I read one convincing theory that just slightly more than 10% of the electorate gave us Trump. Republicans are 20 something percent of voters and 40% rejected him as he was running.

Of course because of tribalism or whatever, he has broad support from conservatives now but after he loses the election, he will become as boring as before. If he does form a network, it will be obscure, like Limbaugh's fan base.

The two party system is really screwed up, giving so much power to such a small slice of the population and our perceptions aren't accurate. It feels like half the population sometimes when looking at the media.
 
 
+3 # jwb110 2016-08-21 10:36
The ultimate problem is the equivalent Brown Shirts who will be emboldened to continue the Trump legacy and a Congress and Justice Dept. that will allow it to continue by doing nothing to stop it. Had Hitler not taken over Germany his followers would have still have been there and minorities would have died but not in camps, just on the streets.
 
 
+8 # Billy Bob 2016-08-21 10:54
You're right. I also think that these are the same people who loved Rush Limbaugh so much in the late '80s & early '90s. They encouraged Timothy McVeigh. But let's face it. They're aging fast. The average age of Trump's supporters is pretty high.

Another demographic shift is that, since 1980, the percentage of whites without college degrees has shrunk by a LOT. Whites without college degrees are the conservative base, in a nutshell.
 
 
+2 # Saberoff 2016-08-21 17:55
Jesus! You're sounding rather ageist, friend. Most of the elds I know (location?) are Very! progressive.

You should stop talking about that which you know nothing about, son.
 
 
+7 # turtleislander 2016-08-21 10:48
Mr. Reich wrote a very good book. Saving Capitalism was clear and explanatory...a nd also embodied values that came out politically when he supported Sanders.
I do not understand him campaigning further, and especially against someone. If you cant say something good about hillary then perhaps say nothing.Instead , How about comments on Joseph Stiglitz pronouncing neoliberalism dead? Thats great news that trumps these lousy big party candidates.
 
 
-2 # economagic 2016-08-21 20:01
Gotta make a living somehow. It's what he knows.
 
 
+10 # jpmarat 2016-08-21 10:58
I think Trump has gotten gotten American racism and lust for authoritarianis m out from under the camouflage and shadows, and is exposing its fellow travelers, elite to Walmart bargain basement. The brown camo shirts will be going to work before, on, and after the election. Best to have them exposed too. Hopefully, the Bundy Bunches will be sufficiently discredited to deter others from association with them. But it will be a rough ride. Bright Bart is in it for the long haul, not just Trump's great adventure. Toppling Ailes was a start, tho.
 
 
+4 # kyzipster 2016-08-21 11:38
I agree, the dark underbelly of the GOP base has finally been exposed once and for all. It's dangerous but it will be rejected and it will hopefully die out. Not unlike the KKK's history. They still show up now and then but they're a laughing stock, near universal rejection, even by other racists. They're even an embarrassment to the Trump campaign, or I hope they are.
 
 
+4 # Tigre1 2016-08-21 12:49
Best to have them exposed, yes. They seem to be people with the wrong kind of time on their hands. People who worked all their lives don't have quite the same facility in thinking these things through, or in talking things out. Be honest: it's not until we retire or get laid off that we have much time to work things out, to get to know some other people in the same fix. People who haven't worked out abstract concepts in language are sitting ducks for RW message-carrier s. Why? because they always begin the conversation with a gripe. Many of us used to know people like that in the service.

People with a grudge...are they always wrongwingers? And the hopeful ones, the ones who are future-oriented ...are they always the lefties?

Are those guys still really angry that they lost the Civil War? is that what it's really about?
 
 
0 # kyzipster 2016-08-21 13:34
I think that people outside of the South think about the Civil War more than people who live in the South. Despite the occasional southern racist a-hole getting their 15 minutes of fame on the internet. Those people are in every state.

That's not to say that it's not about racism and xenophobia, much of it is. The racism in the South today looks very much like the racism in Chicago or in Michigan or Ohio or even the Northeast. It's also about cultural division and liberals calling red state voters uneducated, stupid and racist. Even though that's not entirely inaccurate by the looks of things. If someone is insulting you like this, why would you align with their politics? Especially since the Democrats abandoned Labor years ago. It's really a dilemma.

There's a best seller out called 'Hillbilly Elegy' I'm planning on getting it. It sounds like it gets into it with some depth. Written by an insider.
 
 
0 # librarian1984 2016-08-23 06:32
Quoting kyzipster:
I think that people outside of the South think about the Civil War more than people who live in the South.

You say the most extraordinary things.
 
 
+3 # dquandle 2016-08-21 11:51
Trump's movement won't haunt anything if Hillary's neo-fascist movement starts WWIII
 
 
+10 # RMDC 2016-08-21 11:55
Reich owes it to us to define what he means by "neo-fascism." My bet is he would only come up with Trump's racism and xenophobia. That is hardly fascism -- neo or otherwise.

For the 1000th time, Fascism is about the control of government by corporations. They use the structure of a democratic government for purely corporate goals. A big part of this is the for-profit wars the US has been running since the end of WW II. The "military-indus trial-banking-i sraeli complex" is pure fascism. Call it "neo" if you like.

With this defintion, Hillary is much much more of a neo-fascist than Trump ever has been. The very fact that he's against the TPP, NAFTA, and off-shoring ofr production means he is not a fascist at all.

A lot of smart people like Reich, Krugman, Sanders, Warren and others have chosen to be stupid just to elect Hillary. They expect all of us to follow along. Why is that not neo-fascism? Heil HIllary!!!!!
 
 
+4 # Anonymot 2016-08-21 11:58
Trump's Neo-Fascist Movement Will Haunt America for Decades

Well, you sure know how to make a statement that gets everyone opposed. I can but assume you are bucking for a Cabinet-level post in her administration. You'd look good in a black uniform, but can you goosestep?

I think you've lost it, Mr. Reich. Hillary is the Third Reich reborn. Not that Trump is a jewel of democracy, but nothing indicates he is as fascistic as she is - nor a killer nor a crook.
 
 
0 # Tigre1 2016-08-21 12:29
 
 
+6 # willsud24 2016-08-21 15:05
The frustrations and anger of Trump's followers are very legitimate concerns. Unfortunately, the Tea Party and Trump supporters want to direct their anger towards the vulnerable: Undocumented immigrants, minorities, feminists, the poor, liberals, etc.

If we actually had a liberal party in America, would address the needs of the Tea Party and explain why what is happening in America is happening. Unfortunately, we do not have a liberal party in America, we have the Democratic Party.

There were so many hopes when Obama was elected. Many people like myself who voted for him (twice) thought that he was going to lead the Democratic Party back the days of FDR or become even more liberal than that. Instead, Obama surrounded himself with advisers from Goldman Sachs and basically continued all of the economic and foreign policies of George W. Bush. Honestly, I see little difference, except for their I.Q. scores and rhetoric.

To me, Obama has been the biggest letdown in the history of the United States. Millenials have let him off the hook and his approval ratings are sky high for an exiting POTUS, but I have no idea why. Obama has been a major disappointment as far as I'm concerned.
 
 
+1 # Doc Mary 2016-08-21 16:02
In the late 1700s, popular pamphlets spread outright lies about what the French nobility was up to - in addition to the dramatic difference in income and wealth between the Bourbon kings an the populace, many historians believe these pamphlets created the belief that the nobility - as human beings - were complete monsters, and contributed to the out-of-control violence of the Reign of Terror.
 
 
+2 # Saberoff 2016-08-21 18:55
And your point, please? Do you think all are outright lies about our modern, American nobility?
 
 
+2 # Aliazer 2016-08-21 20:15
Dr. Reich continues associating "Fascism" with Trump while ignoring the real Fascism that has been aided and abetted by all branches of government for the last several years!!

We have an executive, in the form of the presidency, a legislative with senate and house of representatives , and a judiciary in the form of the Supreme Court that have acquired and disseminating fascistic tendencies in collusion with globalist/corpo rate/zionist interests to the point that peoples' wishes are roundly dismissed and ignored, while corrupting the very fabric of government and turning it into a useless instrument, useful only for the 1% and totally anathema for the rest of us.

Dr. Reich never mentions or discusses these realities while using dismissive verbiage such as "xenophobic" or "isolationist" whenever people express concerns for the creeping tentacles of globalism and that the damage that it visits on the country and its people.
 
 
-1 # Robbee 2016-08-21 21:03
 
 
+3 # Capn Canard 2016-08-22 09:18
I read the comments on these news sites and all I see is that the USA is a powder keg surrounded by children playing with matches.
 

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