Intro: "Is Roger Ailes clerking for Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia? One might be forgiven for thinking so following last week's oral arguments on the health-care law before the nation's highest court."
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia speaks to a policy forum in Washington last month. (photo: Manuel Balce Ceneta/AP)
Scalia, Fox's Man in Washington?
05 April 12
The Supreme Court justice more than once cited arguments that are suspiciously similar to ones made often on the right wing’s favorite news source, writes Matt DeLuca.
s Roger Ailes clerking for Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia?
One might be forgiven for thinking so following last week’s oral arguments on the health-care law before the nation’s highest court.
As has been pointed out elsewhere, some of Scalia’s questions from the bench made use of the tone and even the diction of the attacks on the Affordable Care Act frequently heard on Fox News and conservative talk-radio shows.
After Scalia picked up on the idea that a government empowered to have its citizens buy health insurance or face a penalty may also strong arm them into buy some other good, such as broccoli, Charles Fried, who served as solicitor general under President Ronald Reagan, told The Washington Post that the court was trumpeting “the most tendentious of the Tea Party arguments.”
“I even heard about broccoli,” Fried said. “The whole broccoli argument is beneath contempt. To hear it come from the bench was depressing.”
On the second day of arguments, Scalia did indeed invoke the humble crucifer.
“Why do you define the market that broadly?” Scalia asked Solicitor General Donald Verrilli. “Could you define the market? Everybody has to buy food sooner or later, so you define the market as food. Therefore everybody is in the market, therefore you can make people buy broccoli.”
Scalia was far from the first to use the idea. That distinction may go to C. Roger Vinson, a federal judge in Florida, who brought up the broccoli-as-health-care analogy during one of the earliest cases against the ACA, in December 2010.

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia speaks to students at the University of Chicago Law School on Monday, Feb. 13, 2012 in Chicago. , Brian Kersey / AP Photo
In that case, Ian Gershengorn, an attorney with the U.S Justice Department, had argued that the government can constitutionally regulate the purchasing of health-care insurance under the Constitution's Commerce Clause. In response, the states’ attorney, David B. Rivkin, contended the government cannot regulate what citizens choose not to do (such as not buy health insurance).
Vinson asked Rivkin, “They can decide how much broccoli everyone should eat each week?”
“Certainly,” Rivkin replied.
(Rivkin, an attorney at Baker & Hostetler in Washington D.C., told The Daily Beast that this wasn’t the only time he used a food product as a way to illustrate what he saw as flaws with the individual mandate. Recalling a previous debate with Fried, Rivkin said, “I got him to agree that if you can support the insurance purchase mandate you can support a mandate to purchase Froot Loops.”)
Ultimately, Vinson ruled that the health-care plan’s individual mandate was unconstitutional, and on those grounds found the entire piece of legislation to be unconstitutional, but when Fox reported on the case, Vinson’s broccoli remark led the story.
Then, in early February, Fox News picked up the thread, when one of its guests, Chapman University law professor John Eastman, said, “If the government can order you to buy health insurance it can order you to buy broccoli, it can order you to buy General Motors cars.”
Fox legal analyst Andrew Napolitano jumped in. “I don’t see where they found in the Constitution the authority for the Congress to force you to buy something,” Napolitano said last July on Fox. “Not a hat in the sun, not broccoli at dinner, but health insurance.”
By the time Scalia weighed in last week, the broccoli analogy had acquired slightly more legal nuance, but it was essentially the same.
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The article is silly, and it reflects a key weakness in the Liberal movement (of which I'm a part); i.e., how to energize people. "Broccoli" has become a very efficient concept by which the right propagates its agenda, and the Left would do well to learn from this.
This article harps on "broccoli" yet shows no understanding of the fundamentals in question. There is a legitimate concern for these fundamentals here. If the mandate goes through, it will be unprecedented, wherein the Federal Government will be allowed to force people to participate in something they may otherwise choose not to. Car insurance is in the realm of States rights and is not part of this issue. Thus the food analogy is valid.
Now let's have an article that talks about the fundamental issue here, and who gives a damn about broccoli itself.
Scalia describes a ludicrous extension while disregarding the fact that whether you and I choose to buy broccoli or not does not necessarily effect the cost to others. Nor is a grocery store FORCED to sell you broccoli whereas a hospital may be forced to treat your heart attack whether or not you purchased health insurance. Scalia is without a doubt poltically motivated.
But the "individual mandate" that we all get sick and die did not come from other people, except in the case of accident, crime, or war.
That by the way should be returned. We of a certain age should not take too much collective credit for opposition to the Vietnam war when the true fuel of protest was the real prospect of participating in it or else. It would be much harder for these neo-con experiments in empire to be carried out if it were clear that nearly anyone, or anyone's, including the plutocrat's, children, could be compelled to participate, rather than our current system in which a composite of volunteers and outright corporate mercenaries do the dirty work while the rest of us can ignore it, or wear our yellow ribbon blindfolds and gags while waving flags and that big foam finger "U.S. Number 1" safe in the knowledge that we cannot be compelled to put our lives on the line. Eliminating the hot nuclear core of resistance, the draft was the real lesson learned from Vietnam. So much for principle.
I see but the government can require us to wear seat belts or be fined!!! and if we ride a motorcycle to wear a helmet or be fined. So if the court should strike down the insurance mandate. We should next have struck the seat belt law!!!It has ben shown to have mixed reviews, some people are alive because they did not use a seat belt while others are alive because they did use it...it should also be a choice...
Are people better off? The insurance companies' statistics indicate fewer and less severe injuries overall, which reduces the cost of insurance for all drivers.
All insurance is a form of socialism by definition. A form of insurance (single payer) that is not profit driven (run by a Govt. of the people by the people) would benefit everyone except insurance executives, who, IMHO, are grossly overpaid and notoriously tightfisted when it comes time to pay claims.
Contrast that to dealing with any private insurer. No contest. There you are dealing with a *real* death panel.
The point is, that by living in the U.S. you are guaranteed to have your health care paid for if you are sick, need treatment and do not have insurance. Thus, by choosing to NOT have insurance, you are forcing others (i.e. other citizens WITH insurance) to subsidize your care. That's the nut. So if everyone has insurance, the costs are spread out more equitably. It really helps everyone in a health system that is admittedly crazy...
Mr. Eagle,
It's clear you don't really know any undocumented immigrants. By and large, these people are some of the hardest working, least rewarded members of our communities.
They've overcome obstacles most of us can't even imagine, in the hope of making a better life for themselves and their families- that's right, most of them have strong family values. As a group, these are exactly the kind of people we want as citizens, people who see a way forward and risk everything to achieve it. I'll bet most of them work much harder than you, and with your attitude, would consider you the refuse of the USA.
Corporations obviously like to hire them for the nastiest jobs around, such as slaughterhouses and stoop labor in agriculture- they work hard, they accept low pay and they don't dare complain. And I'm pretty sure the corporations appreciate your help in devaluing these workers.
Mr. Eagle,
One other comment- the Obama administration has been departing many undocumented immigrants, but they've focused on the genuinely bad apples, the criminals, not the workers who are subsidizing our way of life by working for starvation wages.
Who pays you to make this stuff up? I bet you feel fine about what happened under the last administration. Funny how no one even mentions W anymore. If McCain-Palin had been elected, its very likely we'd be at war with Iran and under marshal law at home by now. Are those the kind of choices you'd prefer?
Guns? I don't own any, don't need them. I'm sure you and your militia buddies are well armed and ready to face the Emperor's tanks and jets. Good luck with that.
A progressive, liberal, socialist political agenda is the new paradigm that is evolving as a result of true Christian (teachings of Christ), humanitarian philosophy and a greater awareness of the interdependent, finite nature of life on Earth.
You, Robt and your "Conservative" views will go the way of the dinosaurs and the flat earth society. Open your mind to reality and turn off the noise on Fox "news".
But would he be the ONLY justice connected to the devil?
They are fast approaching the status and predictability of Hitler's dreaded wartime People's Court, presided over by the death-Judge Hans-Joachim Rehse who signed 231 death-sentences after mock-trials. These crooks and be-robed thugs are presiding over the death of any attempts at democracy from the street!
They waste our time comparing health care to broccoli while our entire population suffers from a terrible and unsustainable health care system.
To the humbug Scalia I say....Duhhhhhh h!!!!
Excellent analogy but*. I know that my wife and I'd be out on the street without S.S. right now -and I've been a self-employed, independent son of a globetrottin' pirate all my working and college life.
*Mind you I still think that the "must buy" is a pandering gift to the Evil Empire of the US Health non-care Mafia but Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg made the best point at the outset of this mock-trial and selective examination of the Bill in question which is to review each section on it's own merit. There are quite a few provisions to be salvaged from it on the way to SINGLE-PAYER UNIVERSAL COVERAGE.
But then as far as I know she is not in the pocket, nor under the thrall of anybody as is the corrupt, cynical and reactionary "Gang of Five".
If you are happy coughing up $1000 year for the people who don't want to buy insurance to cover the cost of the medical treatment they will some day use, bless you, my child.
See the problem? That's why everyone ought to be required to buy insurance. Then, when she discovers that she is pregnant, she is already insured.
Tiresome as outrageous — the spate of Democrat-party- line misleading, even dissembling, articles trying to lambast, with snideness, sarcasm, illogic, falsehood, and affirmative ignorance, the “conservative” Supreme Court Justices' treatment of Obamacare: articles of Jack M. Balkin, Robert Parry, Robert Scheer, Paul Krugman, David R. Dow, and, now, Matthew DeLuca (and, also, Ian Millhiser, whose raging glop [http://readers upportednews.or g/news-section2 /318-66/10815-t he-5th-circuits -political-tant rum-against-oba ma] I shall criticize in comments posted in the comment-thread set to his article).
Here I shall expose some tripe and deception I have not illumined previously — in my comments treating the in-this-case yellow journalism of Balkin, Parry, Scheer, Krugman, and Dow. For the rest of my debunking of the pro-Obamacare sleaze, see
(a) http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/272-39/10622-the-small-chance-the-supreme-court-will-overturn-the-healthcare-act
(b) http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/300-196/10790-impeaching-the-supreme-court-justices
(c) http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-opinion-section/61-61/10710-focus-broccoli-and-bad-faith
CONTINUED WITH PART 2
Use, instead, these:
(a)
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/272-39/10622-the-small-chance-the-supreme-court-will-overturn-the-healthcare-act
(b)
http://www.readersupportednews.org/opinion2/300-196/10790-impeaching-the-supreme-court-justices
(c)
http://www.readersupportednews.org/off-site-opinion-section/61-61/10710-focus-broccoli-and-bad-faith
Try this:
http://www.readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/10815-the-5th-circuits-political-tantrum-against-obama
Try this (Ian Millhiser's piece):
http://www.readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/10815-the-5th-circuits-political-tantrum-against-obama
The broccoli argument's is valid & cogent.
The Obamacare issue is whether the individual mandate is beyond Congress's power of REGULATING commerce. The necessary (only legitimate) answer is “yes.”
Virtually all constitutional law scholars agree that the Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942), marked the limit of Commerce Clause power. In Wickard, a WWII-era federal statute sought to protect domestic economy & War-supply by stabilizing wheat markets & wheat prices. The Act limited the wheat-quantity a farmer could grow, for sale or for on-farm consumption. The Act did NOT require, or use a money-penalty threat to extort, any individual to buy wheat or anything else.
The Supreme Court has NEVER upheld CONGRESSIONAL legislation that requires or extorts someone to make a purchase. Before passing mandate, Congress never required or extorted individuals to buy anything — never in the whole history of the U.S. [Cf. Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997) at page 916 (holding unconstitutiona l Congress's mandating that state officials engage in various federal-law-enf orcing affirmative acts that would require expenditure of state revenues).]
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When an Obamacare-like mandate was being considered in the mid-1990s, Congress's advisor (CBO) warned that very likely such mandate was unconstitutiona l. In 2009, when the mandate was being reconsidered, the CRS cautioned that "[d]espite the breadth of powers that have been exercised under the Commerce Clause," likely Congress would not have a "constitutional foundation for legislation containing a requirement to have health insurance."
The Wickard case makes the “broccoli” argument critically valid & cogent. The Wickard statute was vitally different from the Obamacare mandate because the Wickard statute did not mandate BUYING wheat, but only limited the amount of wheat that could be grown on any proprietor's land.
Why is the difference vital? The Wickard statute regulated commerce occurring voluntarily — did not force anyone's engaging in commerce.
So, Obamacare's mandate is the parallel of forcing people to buy wheat. The “broccoli” argument uses the example of broccoli rather than a grain; but the matter is the same: If Congress can force people to buy medical insurance, it can force people to buy wheat and, so, force people to buy broccoli.
See also my comments posted at Reader Supported News pages cited in PART 1 of this comment AND my comment(s) I will post soon at http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/10815-the-5th-circuits-political-tantrum-against-obama
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