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Krugman writes: "Muslims weren't lynched, and neither were dissenters, and that was something of which we can all be proud. But the memory of how the atrocity was abused is and remains a painful one."

Portrait, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, 06/15/09. (photo: Fred R. Conrad/NYT)
Portrait, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, 06/15/09. (photo: Fred R. Conrad/NYT)



More About the 9/11 Anniversary

By Paul Krugman, The Conscience of a Liberal

13 September 11

 

Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld tweeted his disapproval of Krugman's 9/11 blog and tried to turn Krugman's short meditation into a referendum on the NY Times. In response, Krugman expands on the blog in question. -- JPS/RSN

 

t looks as if I should say a bit more about yesterday's anniversary. So:

The fact is that the two years or so after 9/11 were a terrible time in America - a time of political exploitation and intimidation, culminating in the deliberate misleading of the nation into the invasion of Iraq. It's probably worth pointing out that I'm not saying anything now that I wasn't saying in real time back then, when Bush had a sky-high approval rating and any criticism was denounced as treason. And there's nothing I've done in my life of which I'm more proud.

It was a time when tough talk was confused with real heroism, when people who made speeches, then feathered their own political or financial nests, were exalted along with - and sometimes above - those who put their lives on the line, both on the evil day and after.

So it was a shameful episode in our nation's history - and it's one that I can't help thinking about whenever we talk about 9/11 itself.

Now, I should have said that the American people behaved remarkably well in the weeks and months after 9/11: There was very little panic, and much more tolerance than one might have feared. Muslims weren't lynched, and neither were dissenters, and that was something of which we can all be proud.

But the memory of how the atrocity was abused is and remains a painful one. And it's a story that I, at least, can neither forget nor forgive.

Update: Greg Sargent documents a bit of the history.

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-102 # Pud_420 2011-09-13 14:55
I think you are being belligerent Mr. Krugman. ;)
Thank you.
 
 
+58 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2011-09-13 16:43
Actually, Krugman was being way too kind in praising the American people for not lynching Muslims (why use a rope when this is gun country? Duh!). Mark Stroman shot three men, killing two, in "retaliation" for the 9/11 attacks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/20/national/main20081020.shtml
 
 
+19 # Progressive Patriot 2011-09-13 23:26
And even worse, the people who murdered the Sikh, because he had a turban and they assumed he was a Muslim.
 
 
+61 # phrixus 2011-09-13 16:56
To all the "thumbs down" enthusiasts: I'm guessing Pud_420 was being facetious. Just guessing...
 
 
+23 # Progressive Patriot 2011-09-13 23:20
I don't think facetious is the right word here. It's irony being used to _praise_ rather than condemn.

I think that Pud_420 is appropriately thanking Krugman for being belligerent, both in his response to the attack by Rumsfeld, and in his indignation that the good will of the world was exploited and lost in a short time.

As Andrew, from New Zealand, points out, _most_ of the world recognized that Bush squandered the real opportunity he was given, and those of us in this country who expressed indignation over the administration' s reaction were looked upon by "loyalists" as "traitors" because we disagreed with Bush. They were forgetting that the _Patriots_ of 1775 were the dissidents who were willing to lay down their lives to oppose King George.
 
 
+175 # Kiwikid 2011-09-13 18:28
I'm a New Zealander and it was obvious on our side of the planet what was going on. For a brief moment in time we were all Americans, a sense of commonality, of oneness with the American people that was quickly lost. The opportunity to build a better world together was sickenly squandered by a small man president who wanted to prove himself better than his father, and an unprincipled and venal vice president grabbing his last opportunity to abusively exercise real power.

Krugman has pitched it perfectly.
 
 
+51 # Lorelei54 2011-09-13 20:30
Amen, Andrew. And those of us who saw that were looked at funny...
 
 
+34 # NanFan 2011-09-14 00:41
Agree, Andrew. I had a good friend (French) who called from Paris, just flabbergasted and in total solidarity with Americans the day after the attacks. As things began to unfold, showing who the American administration really were, what they were capable of doing with impunity, he soon became appalled and joined the vehement protests that took place in Paris and around the world against the invasion of Irag.

He was totally stunned our media didn't cover those protests. He admits now to being bamboozled by the notion that America somehow always stood steadfast on a higher ground than most other countries.

Today, he watches as Greece implodes, bringing the euro zone to their knees, and he knows perfectly well why it happened, as do you and I and any correct thinking person on this planet who watches, learns, and actively tries to live a sane and loving life.

I wish you well. I am an expat because of the vile acts of the Bush/Cheney gang and the apathy of Americans who voted him into office and sustained the massive downward spiral of our great democracy, ignorant of the cost to themselves.

"...there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged,
and it is in such ... we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness." ~ William O. Douglas ~

N.
 
 
+31 # Progressive Patriot 2011-09-13 22:38
I'm in total support of Pud_420, and would say that most of the people who are giving him/her a thumbs down aren't smart enough to realize that (s)he's NOT giving Krugman a hard time for being belligerent. I understand the nuance of the statement, and agree wholeheartedly with it.

It's way _past_ time that someone got belligerent with the Bush cartel, and told them, in no uncertain terms, that they brought shame to this nation, as no other administration in history has done ... and they committed crimes, which we _should_ be punishing ... and they exploited the good will that was extended to us by _ALL_ nations throughout the world in our time of tragedy, and in so doing, they destroyed 220 years of good will built up by _all_ previous administrations.

I applaud Mr. Krugman for his honesty, and for having the strength to stand by his conviction.
 
 
+24 # majorpayne 2011-09-13 15:31
And here is the history in less than five minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
 
 
+184 # kwheatcroftpardue 2011-09-13 15:41
After the tragedy of 9/11, the public went somnambulant; the media rolled over and played dead; and the Congress, the elected representatives of the people, became a rubber stamp for ill-advised and expensive military adventurism, not to mention a dangerous curtailment of civil liberties in our own country and human rights abroad. Hell, after 9/11, a sitting President advocated torture. So keep speaking out Paul Krugman! I said something similar in my blog post on Sunday because I was so disgusted by the media coverage of the tenth anniversary of 9/11.
 
 
+4 # karenvista 2011-09-13 23:29
Quoting kwheatcroftpardue:
I said something similar in my blog post on Sunday because I was so disgusted by the media coverage of the tenth anniversary of 9/11.


The day-after-day 9/11 coverage reminded me of Ronald Reagan's funeral where they dragged him around the country 'a la Faulkner's "As I Lay Dying." It's starting to be commercialized like Christmas. Pretty soon it will start playing on the 4th of July.

It's particularly disgusting when it defies the laws of Physics for the Government Conspiracy Story to have actually happened. Nano-thermite explosives has been found in all the WTC dust from the THREE towers that were demolished. I just imagine TPTB sitting back laughing at how they got away with it every September 11th.
 
 
+15 # Progressive Patriot 2011-09-13 23:34
I have to admit that I did not tune into _any_ of it. I was intentionally ignoring the national" celebration". My father's birthday was September 11, 1918, and I try to remember the positive things about him that I miss, and ignore all of what this date has come to mean to the false patriots who were the "Loyalists" to a man who was far less than what they made him out to be. Bush's administration was in the toilet and about to be flushed down the drain, before the events of 9/11/2001. Then suddenly, he was hugely "popular" for his incompetence in responding to the events.
 
 
+7 # Lolanne 2011-09-14 11:50
Quoting Progressive Patriot:
I have to admit that I did not tune into _any_ of it. I was intentionally ignoring the national" celebration". My father's birthday was September 11, 1918, and I try to remember the positive things about him that I miss, and ignore all of what this date has come to mean to the false patriots who were the "Loyalists" to a man who was far less than what they made him out to be. Bush's administration was in the toilet and about to be flushed down the drain, before the events of 9/11/2001. Then suddenly, he was hugely "popular" for his incompetence in responding to the events.

I also did not tune into any of the "remembrances," because the way this tragedy has been politicized, right from the very moment it happened, makes me sick. I mourn with the families of those who died in the 9/11 attacks (AND all who have died since because of it), and I pray for them all, but I cannot tune in to any "official" ceremonies or remembrances. Not only was the response of bush & co. disastrous and monstrous, but the fact that his policies are, by and large, still in place (we are still in Iraq and Afghanistan) is just appalling, along with the fact that Obama refuses to seek prosecution for him and his cronies for their crimes.
 
 
+157 # mikeharvey1 2011-09-13 15:49
Paul,
You were right then and you're right now. The really sad commentary is that none of the principals have been brought up on war crimes charges. Rumsfeld is a very very bad joke canceling his NYT subscription.
 
 
+178 # NanFan 2011-09-13 15:50
Bravo, Mr. Krugman! But I do not agree that the "American people behaved remarkably well in the weeks and months after 9/11." If one lived in a small town in America and did not fly a flag off one's mailbox or hang one in a window, they were ridiculed, called unpatriotic.

Worse, if one dared to even utter the words "no more war," or like I did, was brave enough to hang a banner from their top-floor on one of the busiest streets in town that said: "NO WAR!", one was totally ostracized and ridiculed.

There was much to be ashamed of after 9/11, and the blame for the shame rests on the shoulders of the Bush administration who immediately positioned America as a superior country who would seek out the "evildoers" and blow them away at whatever cost. But the biggest shame of all is that the rest of us let them do it, let them drag us down their dirty little, fake war hole, where we began our long decade of the suffocation of our great democracy. I will say it again, and again, and with great pride in my freedom to be able to say it, "The Bush/Cheney administration were democracy thieves." They should be in jail for their Big Lies, propaganda, torture, war crimes, and crimes against humanity and the planet. And shame is the least of what we liberals felt. We became the "new Jews," the ones to be ridiculed, vilified, kicked, and called gutter rats for our beliefs.
 
 
+8 # Lorelei54 2011-09-13 20:36
NanFan, I couldn't put up Christmas decorations after we invaded Iraq, because I knew it was all a joke, and people were still acting like nothing bad was happening. I just put up a flag, to represent our soldiers who were victimized, and a candle..that's it...
 
 
+20 # NanFan 2011-09-14 01:03
I understand, Lorelei54. A candle burned for months in my window when I was home as a mark of my sadness that we had allowed this invasion. But no flag. It had lost its meaning, its true relevance, after the charade of the weeks following 9/11 when people truly believed this was ALL they had to do to be patriotic - fly the American flag to support whatever, WHATEVER, the truly evil Bush/Cheney administration chose to do, for they did not even see or know this was the real evil, sitting loud at their back door. To say they were stunned into ignorance would be backwards, however, for their ignorance caused them to be stunned that an attack of the 9/11 proportion could ever happen, and that the aftermath would spiral into what we live with today.

So the flag, to them, meant "we're better than you, 'the other'." In reality, before 9/11 most of them didn't even know or care about anything beyond that mailbox they decorated with the American flag. They always did (and do) hate "the other." It's much like the underbelly of antisemitism that brewed in Europe for years, and then, festered into an oozing sore when Hitler was handed power. It sat waiting for someone to give it a voice, and Bush/Cheney did that with amazing Big Lie verve.

A shame, for sure. And here we are, 1 in 6 Americans living in poverty. But the real poverty is of the spirit.

N.
 
 
+8 # Progressive Patriot 2011-09-13 23:46
Bush's administration, from the moment the Supreme Court took the case which ultimately appointed him, was nothing but one traitorous act after another. Under Article II, Section 1, the Supreme Court had _no_ jurisdiction to hear a case to overturn the decision of a state court concerning the choosing of electors ... because it is a process that is _specifically_ given to the states, excluding the Federal government from having any voice in the matter. Gore's lawyers should have argued that point as soon as the case was brought before the Supreme Court by the Republicans.

Besides, there is a proper constitutional procedure to be followed if no candidate receives a majority of the votes in the Electoral College. That procedure is a vote by the House of Representatives , which probably would have elected Bush because Republicans had a majority ... but if it had comedown to a vote in the House, they could have elected _anyone_ ... even Nader.
 
 
+3 # Lolanne 2011-09-14 11:55
I completely agree, NanFan. In retrospect, I am grateful that I lived in Massachusetts at the time of 9/11, a progressive state that did have its share of wide awake people opposing bush's illegitimate wars from the beginning. There was little comfort following 9/11, but the fact that I was there, where daily when I went about my business there were people demonstrating in my and nearby towns against the war in Iraq, does help a little, when what I felt most strongly in the aftermath of 9/11 (aside from the grief and sorrow) was shame at what my country was doing.
 
 
+18 # leedeegirl 2011-09-13 15:55
Krugman wtites: "Now, I should have said that the American people behaved remarkably well in the weeks and months after 9/11: There was very little panic, and much more tolerance than one might have feared. Muslims weren't lynched, and neither were dissenters, and that was something of which we can all be proud."

to which I respond: PROUD? PROUD, Mr. Krugman? we should be PROUD that our citizens didn't act like their sub-human ancestors did just a few decades before? think again, Mr. Krugman ... PROUD is the wrong word.
 
 
+34 # NanFan 2011-09-13 16:18
I do believe, leedeegirl, that Mr. Krugman was being ironic by using the word "proud" about the American people not perpetrating those atrocities. You will note he listed only two things: no panic and much MORE tolerance in that we didn't go out and lynch Muslims or dissenters. I have seen Americans do much, much worse for absolutely no reason at all, and I believe, so has Mr. Krugman. Thus, we were all fearful of what could have happened and ultimately what did happen to many who didn't deserve it.

Irony is a huge weapon to wield when addressing the weak-minded torturer named Donald Rumsfeld.

N.

N.
 
 
+12 # John Talbutt 2011-09-13 22:07
Did you here the applause at the Republican debate when the moderator mention that over 200 humans were executed in Texas since Perry has been Governor?
 
 
+7 # NanFan 2011-09-14 00:22
Quoting John Talbutt:
Did you here the applause at the Republican debate when the moderator mention that over 200 humans were executed in Texas since Perry has been Governor?


More shame. But...gotta say, I bypassed that dog-and-pony show, as I have no desire to even give them one minute of my time, except to learn what they are espousing and perpetrating, which I learn best through the Krugmans of our media.

But guess what, John? I'm truly not surprised, as Perry was singing to his choir of dominionist devils, most likely heavily planted in the audience.

I did notice in a picture online after the debate that both Perry-winkle and Romney sported blue ties, an obvious Republi-religio us-bagger propaganda move to woo the Dem TV viewers THEY think want an alternative to President Obama.

Pfft! But watch what the truthsayers tell us about them. Watch like a wily fox, because they've only just begun to spread their villainy.

N.
 
 
+2 # Lolanne 2011-09-14 11:59
Yes, I heard about it, and felt sick to my stomach. Is there no shame in these people? The term "morally bankrupt" doesn't begin to describe people who can sit and cheer - CHEER! - because people have died. I do not understand how they sleep at night, how they can look themselves in the eye in the mirror.
 
 
+63 # Ipswitch 2011-09-13 15:57
Thank goodness for. Krugman then and now. is anyone besides Rumafeld listening?
 
 
+22 # gaia 2011-09-13 15:59
Krugman is right, was right in 2001, something the predatory warmongers don't want to hear. NOW, let's take it another step further by looking at all the data showing 9/11 was an inside job. Start with the fact that building 7, with a few local office fires, was "pulled" as stated by the man holding the insurance on it, and came down in free fall--6-7 seconds, into its own footprint. A burning file cabinet brought it down? A desk? Some papers on the desk? Bridge for sale--cheap. DEMO LITION, M.D.
 
 
+50 # ALinSTL 2011-09-13 16:11
PUD_420,
2900+ people died because the Bush Gang had info about the possibility of an attack & did nothing. Thousands of first responders & survivors of the 2 Towers were poisoned by the wreckage air pollution that Bush officials & Guiliani said was no problem. And now the Coward Congress says "TOO BAD, no health benefits after 5 years for them"...you support that, PUD?!?!?...4477 + American families lost their kids because of the lies & deceit of Bush, Rumsfeld. Cheney, Rice & the rest of the scum that helped them, Don't forget the thousands of American kids disabled/handic apped over there & hundreds of thousands of Iraqis & AFghans murdered because of them...you support that, PUD???...they are rat feces that need to be tried for their crimes.
 
 
+5 # Progressive Patriot 2011-09-14 00:24
Then they congratulated themselves.

Rice had been given stacks of information on al Qaida by the outgoing Clinton administration and never looked at it until _after_ 9/11. The Bushites were told that it was _very_ important to to watch al Qaida operatives who were identified in reports turned over by Clinton's people, and they deliberately _ignored_ the files.

PUD isn't supporting any of that. Not at all. You don't understand the irony behind his/her statement.
 
 
+48 # mrgrtmorris 2011-09-13 17:07
I actually flew a mini-flag from a flower box in solidarity with the good people of New York who went through so much yet behaved so well.

Then I came home from work one rainy evening and the poor thing drooped sopping wet. I feared the flag correctness police would get all atwitter about my sad, wet piece of cloth., so I removed it. That was the end of my flag flying days.

I would like to look at the flag of my country again with pleasure, but it has been so tarnished by the Bushies and n0w the Tea Baggers.

When we have our "American Spring," maybe, it will again represent something to see with pride. I want my flag back.
 
 
+29 # cbaron 2011-09-13 17:23
There were other brave journalists who, like Krugman, were not afraid to speak truth to power, Robert Scheer being one of them.
 
 
+36 # tclose 2011-09-13 19:07
Another who was unafraid to speak truth to power was the late Senator Robert Byrd, who said in the Senate on the day of the start of the Iraq war:
"Today I weep for my country. I have watched the events of recent months with a heavy, heavy heart. No more is the image of America one of strong, yet benevolent peacekeeper. The image of America has changed. Around the globe, our friends mistrust us, our word is disputed, our intentions are questioned. Instead of reasoning with those with whom we disagree, we demand obedience or threaten recrimination."
 
 
+3 # Lolanne 2011-09-14 12:05
tclose, thanks for mentioning Sen Byrd. I recall vividly hearing that speech on my car radio. I drove down the road with tears in my eyes listening to the one single, lone voice that was willing to speak the truth of what was happening.
 
 
+29 # gussie 2011-09-13 17:31
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At seven am the morning of 9/12 a Jewish friend phoned me to ask if I'd be willing to spend the day at one of the mosques in one of the larger cities in the SE. Death threats had been phoned in to all mosques -- a Muslim man had been beaten and dropped in front of a hospital entrance after midnight.

My thought as I walked in a mosque for the first time was not one of pride for my city or country. It was one of shame and disgust and yes, fear, even amidst the heavy state trooper presence.

Many actions against Muslims were/are unreported in the days and months and years to follow.
 
 
+11 # rye 2011-09-13 17:38
Methinks Dr. K, (we've come a long way since Dr.J.) is comparing the American of 01,to the raving lynch mob of today.
Today's Manchurian Army is far less civilized than the America of 01
 
 
+3 # ALinSTL 2011-09-13 17:43
mrgrtmorris,
Keep flying that flag...there are SO MANY of us, like you, that feel it was tarnished by the Bushies & now the T-Partiers...bu t then the KKK & the American Nazi Party flies the American flag, too, like the T-Party...so, when you fly it, people are just thinking you are one of the good Americans...
 
 
+23 # tracks1 2011-09-13 18:10
The words of H.L. Mencken are so appropriate in so many instances! In this instance - "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

Unfortunately true, but don't be to hard on a body of human beings who, thanks to TV, have been reduced to the the status of those beings described in Huxley's Brave New World. This may be summed up in the following:

QUESTION: What's the difference between "ignorance" and "apathy?"

ANSWER: "I don't know, and I don't care!"
 
 
-2 # palmerblade 2011-09-13 18:18
Yes, It was terrible that the largest war profiteer was Diane Feinstein & her husband Richard Blum. They made billions & helped pay for their $16.5 million mansion in the flush Pacific Heights neighborhood of San Francisco.

Thanks Paul for calling out a fellow liberal.
 
 
+20 # Billy Bob 2011-09-13 19:44
I don't know about the "Feinstein billions", but I seriously doubt it compared to the oil industry TRILLIONS. Not to mention the murder for hire industry (um, sorry "defense contractors").
 
 
+37 # velossa 2011-09-13 18:54
I knew months before that we would go to war and I wrote letters and emails and spoke to others to no avail. THe demonstrators were ignored - the media downplayed the demonstrations. You either had to be a flag waver or you were a woosy. I attended a candlelight vigil the night before we attacked. I had read all of the columns, knew the weapons of mass destruction was a lie and also the yellowcake story. ANyone could read and know that. But I felt in the minority and was looked as if I was unpatriotic. ANd Iraq? There wasn't even an Iraqi involved in the bombings. We became stupid, the media - main stream media - played along and revenge was the order of the day. ANd FOX used subliminal "advertising" to influence people's thinking with their running slogans and banners and Iraqi Freedom in the corner of all their broadcasts. ANd it worked. Bush had a personal vendetta and CHeney saw it as a money maker. It was a very ugly time.
 
 
+14 # Billy Bob 2011-09-13 19:45
Was? Those things haven't really stopped.
 
 
+4 # Lorelei54 2011-09-13 20:42
I always wondered why we didn't go after Saudi Arabia, and take their oil. The majority of the terrorists were from there, particularly bin Laden...
 
 
+2 # Lolanne 2011-09-14 12:08
Quoting Lorelei54:
I always wondered why we didn't go after Saudi Arabia, and take their oil. The majority of the terrorists were from there, particularly bin Laden...

Maybe because the royal family of Saudi Arabia were (are still, I suppose) good friends of the bush family? I remember hearing that the members of the royal family were flown out of the US very quietly immediately after 9/11.
 
 
+24 # Night Raider 2011-09-13 20:50
Krugman is a lone, pure voice of truth and wisdom in a vast wilderness.
 
 
+4 # Rick Levy 2011-09-13 20:51
"Muslims weren't lynched, and neither were dissenters, and that was something of which we can all be proud."

Proud? That's like saying "For a fat girl you don't sweat much"
 
 
+4 # handskhan 2011-09-14 00:24
I remember taking part in the biggest “NO WAR” protest in London. The world leaders including The Pope and Nelson Mandela were also against the invasion. This was to no avail because the hawks have made up their minds to disturb the peace of the world for the sake of their ideology and to boost the war industry.
 
 
+2 # Polimorphus 2011-09-14 01:35
One small correction: Muslims weren't lynched, but some Sikhs (of Indian origin), whose religion requires them to grow their beard, not cut their hair, and who normally wear turbans, were certainly lynched - and they had nothing whatever to do with 9/11 or Islam, let alone terrorism of any kind.
 
 
+4 # RLF 2011-09-14 06:24
Imagine how we could have protected ourselves from future acts if we had used the money we have squandered in Afg. and Iraq! Not to mention we could have REALLY taken care of the first responders.
 
 
+12 # head out the window 2011-09-14 06:31
Imagine if we would have invested the $3-5 trillion dollars we spent on these wars into high speed rail, green technology, expanded high speed internet access and rebuilding our decrepit infrastructure, would we be in a recession-depre ssion today? I think the answer is pretty clear.
 
 
+12 # stonecutter 2011-09-14 06:35
There are giant sand dunes, really sand hills, near Provincetown on Cape Cod; anyone who's been there knows them...kids love to climb up and then tumble down the sand. If every critical word during the last 10 years against the Cheney/Bush Administration, in these and millions of other comments here and on other sites were piled on each other, they'd equal those giant dunes, but they haven't laid the tiniest obstacle in front of Bush and Laura showing up center-field on Sunday at the Cowboys-Jets game in NJ like conquering heroes, shaking hands with players, waving to the adoring crowds, receiving formidable applause...in NEW JERSEY!

That scene would make any Bush critic nauseous, but Americans in general, and football fans in particular have the attention span and historical memory of knats, so the former president came off smelling like rosebuds. He got to do his Duke Wayne impersonation for a few choice TV minutes, piggyback on the 9/11 anniversary with impunity, show his face in the NY area, sell a few more copies of his depressing memoirs, and bask in the reflected glory of the dead and maimed young troops he needlessly sent into harm's way in Iraq because of his incompetent, vendetta-driven hubris and the neocon cabal that pulled his strings.

What's changed? He could've showed up in a flight suit and still been regaled by the crowd. America.
 
 
+3 # mjc 2011-09-14 08:11
Don't think there is any question that the super-faux patriots, mostly Republican, and in this time Tea Partiers, used the horrors to push their very military agendas and for authoritarian government. And the remembrance also reflected that swaggering chauvinism. That was designed to give the impression that the "terrorists" hadn't won. But they did win...in the long run. We have bankrupt ourselves to "git 'em" and lost something close to 5,000 men and women who volunteered to do just, a terrible sacrifice that just wasn't necessary. Oil and global strategy were the goals NOT spoken of but much more real than "fighting them over there instead of here at home" or bringing freedom to Iraqis or bringing democracy to Afghanistan.
 
 
+5 # shortonfaith 2011-09-14 09:13
It states quite clearly in the Art of War that no society can financially sustain a war outside it's own borders for any length of time. This is not a new thought. The price paid mentally & financially is to high. The cost of transporting goods to the front line is just to great. The cost of continual warfare on the people of any society is just to great. Continually robbing from the citizens to support killing is self defeating after only a very few years. Everyone from every great collapsed society knows these lessons. I'm willing to bet every General, Admiral, Lieutenant, or closet historian knows this document. Yet American political thieves believe they are greater than the sums of all history. They really could care less about you & me or anything except stealing while the U.S. burns. They've been allowed to do this for so long they will kill everything in the end, they can't be stopped. I must know 20 good people who have lost their homes for the Bush & Cheney crime families wars. Lets not forget all of those who continue to allow this stealing to go on today. Follow the money, always. And Thank You Paul for having the decency to say these things on their behalf.
 
 
+2 # bpjking@comcast.net 2011-09-14 14:44
Paul is right about the nefarious way 9/11 has been used to accomplish things the right wing of the Republican party never even dreamt of before 2001. I would like people to know about a small but beautiful occurrence in Seattle from the days right after 9/!!.

There is a mosque, about a mile from where I live, right near Northgate shopping center. It's a lovely, domed building and appears to be the spiritual home of muslims who live in North Seattle. Non-muslim people from the neighborhood maintained a friendly vigil in front of the mosque for a couple of weeks after the trade towers went down. There was no trouble. A very sweet moment in the civic life of Seattle
 
 
+2 # propsguy 2011-09-14 23:00
part 1) in February of 2003 and my friend A was working on a British import comedy that was due to open on Broadway. he had hired me to make some soft goods- a bedspread and pillows that would be used on the set. i was expecting him at my Chelsea costume shop to pick them up, but he was very late.
rush hour in new york is never a good time to take a cab but on this particular night, there was a protest in the streets against the upcoming war on iraq. right on the avenue that A would have driven down were thousands of angry people exercising one of their fundamental rights as Americans. when the cab driver discovered that his way was blocked, he started to make a detour. here's where it gets interesting.
 
 
+2 # propsguy 2011-09-14 23:01
part 2)


two uniformed armed policemen stopped the cab and ordered the driver into the crowd to break it up, thereby subverting the people's right in these United States, a "free" country, to assemble to protest an illegal, unethical, expensive, immoral war about to be foisted on them by an idiot masquerading as President.
as the cab made its tedious way through the crowd (it took about an hour and the meter was running the whole time), thousands of betrayed citizens pressed dangerously against the windshield and the windows. the First Amendment was being violated by the government, making forced use of 2 tax paying citizens against their fellows and the irony, A was paying for it!
when he finally arrived at the shop, he was white as a ghost. tom cruise and madonna may be well compensated when the public presses too close to their stretch limos. they have bodyguards; A was merely terrified.
i wanted him to write to the NY Times, call channel 7 news and at the very least, send the cab receipt to the White House for reimbursement. this was a story that needed to be heard but he wouldn't do it. he just wanted to forget about it. i can never forget.
this government is not at war with iraq or afganistan or iran. this government is at war with us.
 
 
+2 # Jane Gilgun 2011-09-15 10:04
Keep on thinking and writing as you do, Paul. You should get the Nobel Prize for peace.
 
 
0 # socialismby2020 2011-09-16 11:17
More and more I hear the GOP using the term "ownership society". I believe Bachman said it 5 times during the debate. Somehow, the billionaires and Ayn Rand have convinced a bunch of working class people that laissez-faire capitalism will lead average folks like them to a better life. Why hasn't it yet? Is government regulation REALLY holding YOU back that much or are the cards stacked against you from the get go? They want everyone to become a profit center and give absolute rights to the ruling class. Letting someone die because they're uninsured is a crime against humanity. America has lost all sense of community through this new "ownership society" model that is being fed to us through conservative propaganda machines (Faux news).
 

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