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Intro: "A little-known movement of radical Christians and self-proclaimed prophets wants to infiltrate government, and Rick Perry might be their man."

Rick Perry, who is running for President of the United States, is a self-proclaimed prophet. (art: Mario Zucca)
Rick Perry, who is running for President of the United States, is a self-proclaimed prophet. (art: Mario Zucca)



Rick Perry's Army of God

By Forrest Wilder, The Texas Observer

13 August 11

 

A little-known movement of radical Christians and self-proclaimed prophets wants to infiltrate government, and Rick Perry might be their man.

n September 28, 2009, at 1:40 p.m., God's messengers visited Rick Perry.

On this day, the Lord's messengers arrived in the form of two Texas pastors, Tom Schlueter of Arlington and Bob Long of San Marcos, who called on Perry in the governor's office inside the state Capitol. Schlueter and Long both oversee small congregations, but they are more than just pastors. They consider themselves modern-day apostles and prophets, blessed with the same gifts as Old Testament prophets or New Testament apostles.

The pastors told Perry of God's grand plan for Texas. A chain of powerful prophecies had proclaimed that Texas was "The Prophet State," anointed by God to lead the United States into revival and Godly government. And the governor would have a special role.

The day before the meeting, Schlueter had received a prophetic message from Chuck Pierce, an influential prophet from Denton, Texas. God had apparently commanded Schlueter - through Pierce - to "pray by lifting the hand of the one I show you that is in the place of civil rule."

Gov. Perry, it seemed.

Schlueter had prayed before his congregation: "Lord Jesus I bring to you today Gov. Perry.... I am just bringing you his hand and I pray Lord that he will grasp ahold of it. For if he does you will use him mightily."

And grasp ahold the governor did. At the end of their meeting, Perry asked the two pastors to pray over him. As the pastors would later recount, the Lord spoke prophetically as Schlueter laid his hands on Perry, their heads bowed before a painting of the Battle of the Alamo. Schlueter "declared over [Perry] that there was a leadership role beyond Texas and that Texas had a role beyond what people understand," Long later told his congregation.

So you have to wonder: Is Rick Perry God's man for president?

Schlueter, Long and other prayer warriors in a little-known but increasingly influential movement at the periphery of American Christianity seem to think so. The movement is called the New Apostolic Reformation. Believers fashion themselves modern-day prophets and apostles. They have taken Pentecostalism, with its emphasis on ecstatic worship and the supernatural, and given it an adrenaline shot.

The movement's top prophets and apostles believe they have a direct line to God. Through them, they say, He communicates specific instructions and warnings. When mankind fails to heed the prophecies, the results can be catastrophic: earthquakes in Japan, terrorist attacks in New York, and economic collapse. On the other hand, they believe their God-given decrees have ended mad cow disease in Germany and produced rain in drought-stricken Texas.

Their beliefs can tend toward the bizarre. Some consider Freemasonry a "demonic stronghold" tantamount to witchcraft. The Democratic Party, one prominent member believes, is controlled by Jezebel and three lesser demons. Some prophets even claim to have seen demons at public meetings. They've taken biblical literalism to an extreme. In Texas, they engage in elaborate ceremonies involving branding irons, plumb lines and stakes inscribed with biblical passages driven into the earth of every Texas county.

If they simply professed unusual beliefs, movement leaders wouldn't be remarkable. But what makes the New Apostolic Reformation movement so potent is its growing fascination with infiltrating politics and government. The new prophets and apostles believe Christians - certain Christians - are destined to not just take "dominion" over government, but stealthily climb to the commanding heights of what they term the "Seven Mountains" of society, including the media and the arts and entertainment world. They believe they're intended to lord over it all. As a first step, they're leading an "army of God" to commandeer civilian government.

In Rick Perry, they may have found their vessel. And the interest appears to be mutual.


n all the media attention surrounding Perry's flirtation with a run for the presidency, the governor's budding relationship with the leaders of the New Apostolic Reformation movement has largely escaped notice. But perhaps not for long. Perry has given self-proclaimed prophets and apostles leading roles in The Response, a much-publicized Christians-only prayer rally that Perry is organizing at Houston's Reliant Stadium on Aug. 6.

The Response has engendered widespread criticism of its deliberate blurring of church and state and for the involvement of the American Family Association, labeled a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center for its leadership's homophobic and anti-Muslim statements. But it's the involvement of New Apostolic leaders that's more telling about Perry's convictions and campaign strategy.

Eight members of The Response "leadership team" are affiliated with the New Apostolic Reformation movement. They're employed or associated with groups like TheCall or the International House of Prayer (IHOP), Kansas City-based organizations at the forefront of the movement. The long list of The Response's official endorsers - posted on the event's website - reads like a Who's Who of the apostolic-prophetic crowd, including movement founder C. Peter Wagner.

In a recent interview with the Observer, Schlueter explained that The Response is divinely inspired. "The government of our nation was basically founded on biblical principles," he says. "When you have a governmental leader call a time of fasting and prayer, I believe that there has been a significant shift in our understanding as far as who is ultimately in charge of our nation - which we believe God is."

Perry certainly knows how to speak the language of the new apostles. The genesis of The Response, Perry says, comes from the Book of Joel, an obscure slice of the Old Testament that's popular with the apostolic crowd.

"With the economy in trouble, communities in crisis and people adrift in a sea of moral relativism, we need God's help," Perry says in a video message on The Response website. "That's why I'm calling on Americans to pray and fast like Jesus did and as God called the Israelites to do in the Book of Joel."

The reference to Joel likely wasn't lost on Perry's target audience. Prominent movement leaders strike the same note. Lou Engle, who runs TheCall, told a Dallas-area Assemblies of God congregation in April that "His answer in times of crisis is Joel 2."

Mike Bickle, a jock-turned-pastor who runs the International House of Prayer in Kansas City, a sort of command headquarters and university for young End Times enthusiasts, taught a 12-part series on Joel last year.

The Book of Joel describes a crippling drought and economic crisis - sound familiar? - in the land of Judah. The calamities, in Joel's time and ours, are "sent by God to cause a wicked, oppressive, and rebellious nation to repent," Bickle told his students.

To secure God's blessing, Joel commands the people to gather in "sacred assembly" to pray, fast, and repent.

More ominously, Bickle teaches that Joel is an "instruction manual" for the imminent End Times. It is "essential to help equip people to be prepared for the unique dynamics occurring in the years leading up to Jesus' return," he has said.

The views espoused by Bickle, Engle and other movement leaders occupy the radical fringe of Christian fundamentalism. Their beliefs may seem bizarre even to many conservative evangelicals. Yet Perry has a knack for finding the forefront of conservative grassroots. Prayer warriors, apostles and prophets are filled with righteous energy and an increasing appetite for power in the secular political world. Their zeal and affiliation with charismatic independent churches, the fastest-growing subset of American Christianity, offers obvious benefits for Perry if he runs for president.

There are enormous political risks, too. Mainstream voters may be put off by the movement's extreme views or discomfited by talk of self-proclaimed prophets "infiltrating" government.

Catherine Frazier, a spokesperson for the governor's office, wouldn't respond to specific questions but wrote in an email, "The Response event is about coming together in prayer to seek wisdom and guidance from God to the challenges that confront our nation. That is where the governor's focus is, and he welcomes those that wish to join him in this common cause."

For the moment, Perry's relationship with the New Apostles is little known. Few in Texas GOP circles say they've ever heard of them. "I wish I could help you," said Steve Munisteri, the state Republican Party chair. "I've never even heard of that movement."

"For the most part I don't know them," said Cathie Adams, former head of the Texas Eagle Forum and a veteran conservative activist.

Nonetheless, Perry may be counting on apostles and prophets to help propel him to the White House. And they hope Perry will lead them out of the wilderness into the promised land.

Listen closely to Perry's recent public statements and you'll occasionally hear him uttering New Apostle code words. In June, Perry defended himself against Texas critics on Fox News, telling host Neil Cavuto that "a prophet is generally not loved in their hometown."

It seemed an odd comment. It's the rare politician who compares himself to a prophet, and many viewers likely passed it off as a flub. But to the members of a radical new Christian movement, the remark made perfect sense.


he phrase "New Apostolic Reformation" comes from the movement's intellectual godfather, C. Peter Wagner, who has called it, a bit vaingloriously, "the most radical change in the way of doing Christianity since the Protestant Reformation."

Boasting aside, Wagner is an important figure in evangelical circles. He helped formulate the "church growth" model, a blueprint for worship that helped spawn modern mega-churches and international missions. In the 1990s, he turned away from the humdrum business of "harvesting souls" in mega-churches and embarked on a more revolutionary project.

He began promoting the notion that God is raising up modern-day prophets and apostles vested with extraordinary authority to bring about social transformation and usher in the Kingdom of God.

In 2006, Wagner published Apostles Today: Biblical Government for Biblical Power, in which he declared a "Second Apostolic Age." The first age had occurred after Jesus' biblical resurrection, when his apostles traveled Christendom spreading the gospel. Commissioned by Jesus himself, the 12 apostles acted as His agents. The second apostolic age, Wagner announced, began "around the year 2001."

"Apostles," he wrote, "are the generals in the army of God."

One of the primary tasks of the new prophets and apostles is to hear God's will and then act on it. Sometimes this means changing the world supernaturally. Wagner tells of the time in October 2001 when, at a huge prayer conference in Germany, he "decreed that mad cow disease would come to an end in Europe and the UK." As it turned out, the last reported case of human mad cow disease had occurred the day before. "I am not implying that I have any inherent supernatural power," Wagner wrote. "I am implying that when apostles hear the word of God clearly and when they decree His will, history can change."

Claims of such powers are rife among Wagner's followers. Cindy Jacobs - a self-described "respected prophet" and Wagner protégée who runs a Dallas-area group called Generals International - claims to have predicted the recent earthquakes in Japan. "God had warned us that shaking was coming," she wrote in Charisma magazine, an organ for the movement. "This doesn't mean that it was His desire for it to happen, but more of the biblical fulfillment that He doesn't do anything without first warning through His servants."

There is, of course, a corollary to these predictive abilities: Horrible things happen when advice goes unheeded.

Last year Jacobs warned that if America didn't return to biblical values and support Israel, God would cause a "tumbling of the economy and dark days will come," according to Charisma. To drive the point home, Jacobs and other right-wing allies - including The Response organizers Lou Engle and California pastor Jim Garlow - organized a 40-day "Pray and Act" effort in the lead-up to the 2010 elections.

Unlike other radical religious groups, the New Apostles believe political activism is part of their divine mission. "Whereas their spiritual forefathers in the Pentecostal movement would have eschewed involvement in politics, the New Apostles believe they have a divine mandate to rescue a decaying American society," said Margaret Poloma, a practicing Pentecostal and professor of sociology at the University of Akron. "Their apostolic vision is to usher in the Kingdom of God."

"Where does God stop and they begin?" she asks. "I don't think they know the difference."

Poloma is one of the few academics who has closely studied the apostolic movement. It's largely escaped notice, in part, because it lacks the traditional structures of either politics or religion, says Rachel Tabachnick, a researcher who has covered the movement extensively for Talk2Action.org, a left-leaning site that covers the religious right.

"It's fairly recent and it just doesn't fit into people's pre-conceived notions," she says. "They can't get their head around something that isn't denominational."

The movement operates through a loose but interlocking array of churches, ministries, councils and seminaries - many of them in Texas. But mostly it holds together through the friendships and alliances of its prophets and apostles.

The Response itself seems patterned on TheCall, day-long worship and prayer rallies usually laced with anti-gay and anti-abortion messages. TheCall - also the name of a Kansas City-based organization - is led by Lou Engle, an apostle who looks a bit like Mr. Magoo and has the unnerving habit of rocking back and forth while shouting at his audience in a raspy voice. (Engle is also closely associated with the International House of Prayer - , Mike Bickle's 24/7 prayer center in Kansas City.) Engle frequently mobilizes his followers in the service of earthly causes, holding raucous prayer events in California to help pass Prop 8, the anti-gay marriage initiative, and making an appearance in Uganda last year to lend aid to those trying to pass a law that would have imposed the death penalty on homosexuals. But Engle's larger aim is Christian control of government.

"The church's vocation is to rule history with God," he has said. "We are called into the very image of the Trinity himself, that we are to be His friends and partners for world dominion."

"It sounds so fringe but yet it's not fringe," Tabachnick says. "They've been working with Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Sam Brownback, and now Rick Perry. ... They are becoming much more politically noticeable."

Some of the fiercest critics of the New Apostolic Reformation come from within the Pentecostal and charismatic world. The Assemblies of God Church, the largest organized Pentecostal denomination, specifically repudiated self-proclaimed prophets and apostles in 2000, calling their creed a "deviant teaching" that could rapidly "become dictatorial, presumptuous, and carnal."

Assemblies authorities also rejected the notion that the church is supposed to assume dominion over earthly institutions, labeling it "unscriptural triumphalism."

The New Apostles talk about taking dominion over American society in pastoral terms. They refer to the "Seven Mountains" of society: family, religion, arts and entertainment, media, government, education, and business. These are the nerve centers of society that God (or his people) must control.

Asked about the meaning of the Seven Mountains, Schlueter says, "God's kingdom just can't be expressed on Sunday morning for two hours. God's kingdom has to be expressed in media and government and education. It's not like our goal is to have a Bible on every child's desk. That's not the goal. The goal is to hopefully have everyone acknowledge that God's in charge of us regardless."

But climbing those mountains sounds a little more specific on Sunday mornings. Schlueter has bragged to his congregation of meetings with Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, state Sen. Brian Birdwell, and the Arlington City Council. He recently told a church in Victoria that state Rep. Phil King, a conservative Republican from Weatherford, had allowed him to use King's office at the Capitol to make calls and organize.

"We're going to influence it," Schlueter told his congregation. "We're going to infiltrate it, not run from it. I know why God's doing what he's doing ... He's just simply saying, ‘Tom I've given you authority in a governmental authority, and I need you to infiltrate the governmental mountain. Just do it, it's no big deal.' I was talking with [a member of the congregation] the other day. She's going to start infiltrating. A very simple process. She's going to join the Republican Party, start going to all their meetings. Some [members] are already doing that."


oug Stringer, a relatively low-profile apostle, is one of the movement's more complex figures - and one of the few people associated with The Response who returned my calls. His assignment for The Response: mobilizing the faithful from around the nation. Though he's friendly with the governor and spoke at the state GOP convention, Stringer says he's a political independent, "morally conservative" but with a "heart for social justice."

Stringer runs Somebody Cares America, a nonprofit combining evangelism with charitable assistance to the indigent and victims of natural disasters. In 2009, Perry recognized Stringer in his State of the State address for his role in providing aid to Texans devastated by Hurricane Ike.

Stringer's message is that The Response will be apolitical, non-partisan, even ecumenical. The goal, he says, is to "pray for personal repentance and corporate repentance on behalf of the church, not against anybody else."

I ask him about his involvement with the Texas Apostolic Prayer Network, which is overseen by Schlueter. Six of the nine people listed as network "advisors" are involved in The Response, including Stringer, Cindy Jacobs and Waco pastor Ramiro Peña. The Texas group is part of a larger 50-state network of prophets, apostles and prayer intercessors called the Heartland Apostolic Network, which itself overlaps with the Reformation Prayer Network run by Jacobs. The Texas Apostolic Prayer Network is further subdivided into sixteen regions, each with its own director.

Some of these groups' beliefs and activities will be startling, even to many conservative evangelicals. For example, in 2010 Texas prayer warriors visited every Masonic lodge in the state attempting to cast out the demon Baal, whom they believe controls Freemasonry. At each site, the warriors read a decree - written in legalese - divorcing Baal from the "People of God" and recited a lengthy prayer referring to Freemasonry as "witchcraft."

Asked whether he shares these views, Stringer launches into a long treatise about secrecy during which he manages to lump together Mormonism, Freemasonry and college fraternities.

"I think there has been a lot of damage and polarization over decades because of the influence of some areas of Freemasonry that have been corrupted," he says. "In fact, if you look at the original founder of the Mormon Church, Joseph Smith, he had a huge influence by Masonry. Bottom-line, anything that is so secretive that has to be hidden in darkness ... is not biblical. The Bible says that everything needs to be brought to the light. That's why I would never be part of a fraternity, like on campus."


hy would Perry throw in with this crowd?

One possible answer is that he's an opportunistic politician running for president who's trying to get right, if not with Jesus, with a particular slice of the GOP base.

Perry himself may have the gift of foresight. He seems preternaturally capable of spotting The Next Big Thing and positioning himself as an authentic leader of grassroots movements before they overtake other politicians. Think of the prescient way he hitched his political future to the Tea Party. In 2009 Perry spoke at a Tax Day protest and infamously flirted with Texas secession. At the time it seemed crazy. In retrospect it seems brilliant.

Now, he's made common cause with increasingly influential fundamentalists from the bleeding fringe of American Christianity at a time when the political influence of mainstream evangelicals seems to be fading.

For decades evangelicals have been key to Republican presidential victories, but much has changed since George W. Bush named Jesus as his favorite philosopher at an Iowa debate during the 2000 presidential campaign. There is much turbulence among evangelicals. There's no undisputed leader, a Jerry Falwell or a Pat Robertson, to bring the "tribes" - to use Stringer's phrase - together. So you go where the momentum is. There is palpable excitement in the prayer movement and among the New Apostles that the nation is on the cusp of a major spiritual and political revival.

"On an exciting note, we are in the beginning stages of the Third Great Awakening," Jacobs told Trinity Church in Cedar Hill earlier this year. (Trinity's pastor, Jim Hennesy, is also an apostle and endorser of The Response. Trinity is probably best known for its annual Halloween "Hell House" that tries to scare teens into accepting Jesus.) "We are seeing revivals pop up all over the United States. ... Fires are breaking out all over the place. And we are going to see great things happening."

Moreover, various media outlets have documented a possible coalescing of religious-right leaders around Perry's candidacy. Time magazine reported on a June conference call among major evangelical leaders, including religious historian David Barton and San Antonio pastor John Hagee, in which they "agreed that Rick Perry would be their preferred candidate if he entered the race," according to the magazine.

Journalist Tabachnick says politicians are attracted to the apostolic movement because of the valuable organizational structure and databases the leadership has built.

"I believe it's because they've built such a tremendous communication network," she says, pointing to the 50-state prayer networks plugged into churches and ministries. "They found ways to work that didn't involve the institutional structures that many denominations have. They don't have big offices, headquarters. They work more like a political campaign."

But if the apostles present a broad organizing opportunity, the political risks for Perry are equally large.

In 2008 GOP nominee John McCain was forced to reject Hagee's endorsement after media scrutiny of the pastor's anti-Catholic comments. Similarly, Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign nearly fell apart when voters saw video of controversial sermons by the candidate's pastor, Jeremiah Wright. If anything, Perry is venturing even further into the spiritual wilderness. The faith of the New Apostles will be unfamiliar, strange, and scary to many Americans.

Consider Alice Patterson. She's in charge of mobilizing churches in Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas and Oklahoma for The Response. A field director for the Texas Christian Coalition in the 1990s, she's now a significant figure in apostolic circles and runs a San Antonio-based organization called Justice at the Gate.

Patterson, citing teachings by Cindy Jacobs, Chuck Pierce and Lou Engle, has written that the Democratic Party is controlled by "an invisible network of evil comprising an unholy structure" unleashed by the biblical figure Jezebel.

Patterson claims to have seen demons with her own eyes. In 2009, at a prophetic meeting in Houston, Patterson says she saw the figure of Jezebel and "saw Jezebel's skirt lifted to expose tiny Baal, Asherah, and a few other spirits. There they were - small, cowering, trembling little spirits that were only ankle high on Jezebel's skinny legs."

Those revelations are contained in Patterson's 2010 book Bridging the Racial and Political Divide: How Godly Politics Can Transform a Nation. Patterson's aim, as she makes clear in her book, is getting black and brown evangelicals to vote Republican and support conservative causes. A major emphasis among the New Apostles is racial reconciliation and recruitment of minorities and women. The apostolic prayer networks often perform elaborate ceremonies in which participants dress up in historical garb and repent for racial sins.

The formula - overcoming racism to achieve multiracial fundamentalism - has caught on in the apostolic movement. Some term the approach the "Rainbow Right," and in fact The Response has a high quotient of African-Americans, Latinos and Asian-Americans in leadership positions.

Lou Engle, for example, is making a big push to recruit black activists into the anti-abortion ranks. "We're looking for the new breed of black prophets to arise and forgive us our baggage," he said at Trinity Assemblies of God, "and then lead us out of victimization and into the healing of a nation, to stop the shedding of innocent blood."

Rick Perry is a white southern conservative male who may end up running against a black president. It doesn't take a prophet to see that he could use friends like these.

There's one other possible reason for Perry's flirtation with the apostles, and it has nothing to do with politics. He could be a true believer.

Perry has never been shy about proclaiming his faith. He was raised a Methodist and still occasionally attends Austin's genteel Tarrytown United Methodist Church. But according to an October 2010 story in the Austin American-Statesman, he now spends more Sundays at West Austin's Lake Hills Church, a non-denominational evangelical church that features a rock band and pop-culture references. The more effusive approach to religion clearly appealed to Perry. "They dunk," Perry told the American-Statesman. "Methodists sprinkle."

Still, attending an evangelical church is a long way from believing in modern-day apostles and demons in plain sight. Could Perry actually buy into this stuff?

He's certainly convinced the movement's leaders. "He's a very deep man of faith and I know that sometimes causes problems for people because they think he's making decisions based on his faith," Schlueter says. He pauses a beat. "Well, I hope so."

But the danger of associating with extremists is apparent even to Schlueter, the man who took God's message to Perry in September 2009. "It could be political suicide to do what he's doing," Schlueter says. "Man, this is the last thing he'd want to do if it were concerning a presidential bid. It could be very risky."




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A Wingnut & A Prayer

By Forrest Wilder, The Texas Observer

13 August 11

 

Perry's Prayer-A-Palooza seems like more of a mistake with each passing day.

With each passing day, Rick Perry's Christian prayer-and-repentance rally, The Response, seems like more of a mistake, a classic act of hubris by a politician still learning his way around the national stage. First, the backlash has been fierce, not just from the "usual suspects" like the ACLU and Americans for Separation of Church and State, but also a wide swath of American faith leaders as well as gay rights activists. Just today the Houston Chronicle reported that:

On Tuesday, more than 50 Houston-area religious and community leaders disseminated a signed statement drafted by the Anti-Defamation League expressing "deep concern" about a prayer rally "not open to all faiths," while the Houston GLBT Political Caucus and related organizations announced a Friday rally at Tranquility Park to protest the event. The groups that represent gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered individuals accused the American Family Association and other sponsors of the prayer event of hatred toward the GLBT community.

With competing events planned for Saturday, The Response is likely to be remembered as much for its sweaty supplicants as those calling Perry out for intolerance and religious bigotry.

The Response has proved so toxic that only one other governor may attend the rally, Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback and he's a 'maybe'. None of the right-wing governors elected in November - not Scott Walker of Wisconsin, John Kasich of Ohio nor Paul LePage of Maine - is attending, though the unpopular health-care-executive-turned-governor Rick Scott of Florida will apparently appear by video.

Then there's the potential problem of low turnout. The Chronicle reported today that only "several thousand people" have registered for The Response. Reliant Stadium can accommodate over 70,000. That's a lot of empty space for the news cameras to soak up, though I'm sure the planners will do their best to stage-manage.

The intensity of the objections to The Response combined with a projected lackluster turnout means Perry has a choice: either back away from his own event or take the risk of standing hand-in-hand with radicals from the periphery of American Christianity.

Perry has been playing coy about his role on Saturday. "I'm going to be there; I may be ushering, for all I know," Perry said last week.

Perry probably made a mistake enlisting the help of prayer warriors and self-described prophets and apostles who not only have 'out there' beliefs but are unaccustomed to the national media spotlight. Some of the leaders are interpreting the media coverage, including my article on the involvement of the New Apostolic Reformation movement, as a satanic attack.

On July 17, Apostle Tom Schlueter, the leader of the Texas Apostolic Prayer Network, told his Arlington congregation that: "He's [Satan is] going to go after us who are the army okay? Matter of fact that was interesting because the article that was written, it said Gov. Perry and his army of God and I thought, 'That's interesting, they got that right."

Today, Texas Monthly's Paul Burka argued that The Response "looks like an utter failure." Perry, Burka writes, made a stupid political miscalculation:

This is what happens when you think the rest of the country has the same civic and religious values as Texas.

This could have had a much different ending. Perry could have made the event nondenominational. He could have invited people and clergy of all faiths. But he elected to make it exclusionary–and not just exclusionary, but reflective of preachers who have expressed some of the most extreme religious views in Christiandom.

Of course this could prove to be a valuable learning experience for Perry. If it does prove to be an "utter failure," he may learn, before it's too late, to coddle his far-right allies in private rather than in the national spotlight.

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+85 # giraffee2012 2011-08-13 22:39
I live under the Constitution and no right-wingNUT can make their bible the "rule of law"

With jobs floating off-shore, banks ripping us, and 2+ wars that suck up $$ -- all these GOP/TP can talk about is abortion, gay marriages, and even forbidding porn (or so I heard on Letterman last night) -- What a joke!

SEPARATE these religious ideologies from my rights as a Citizen of USA --- Are there really more people willing to go down (no work, unaffordable food, gas, energy, etc) on the basis of stopping people from abortions or marrying a person of same sex (can I marry my cat? - we're the same sex too) --

Now that corporations are persons (to buy our elections) can I marry a corporation? I'll have to consult with Rick Perry first? Or Romney? He was all over TV telling an older person "Corporations are people" --- this GOP/TP situation is almost funny except - it will kill our middle class and thus our democracy.

Register & get Mail-in Ballots -- so you can vote in 2012 - no matter how the Corporations try to screw with our elections (They have warned us that they will)
 
 
+46 # Barbara K 2011-08-14 07:12
Giraffee, they also screw with mail-in ballots. They hide the Dem ones. They did that in Ohio. They found 2 closets full, and the trunk of a car full of uncounted Dem ballots in '04. I live in Michigan, and at that time lived just over the border with Toledo, OH. Saw it all on the news, and the newspapers were full of the info. We need to get rid of the machines they are using and get some that cannot be rigged.
 
 
+21 # Hors-D-whores 2011-08-14 16:55
That is a funny image of a single person getting a license, (I hope somebody tries) marrying a corporation. There the bride or groom would stand, with an arm wrapped around an arm of the CEO of a corporation, (Watch out could be the wrong sex) and then ALL other people within the corporation, with interlocked arms, ALL happily getting married. Is that what Romney had in mind after all?

As for these fundamentalists , nut cases, they sure don't sound too much unlike fundamentalist Talibans. Perry is GWBush redux. God help us.:-O
 
 
+13 # giraffee2012 2011-08-15 01:52
I've decided "we" are giving too much time to these religious rhetoric -- which distracts from the real issues (jobs, for example + banks going ballistic with foreclosures, etc.) - so every time there's an article about abortion - gay rights - too much debt -- whatever the distraction from our problems -- we must respond with "ahh but ... and then talk about the real issues" - Maybe the Dems in Congress should be told to do the same. The TP / GOP who have signed with Norquist (as an excuse not to reform the tax code) -- are committing a crime - because they took an oath and it ain't to Norquist --

We and the Dems in Congress dn't have to play their game just bc they keep repeating themselves --

Ignore and repeat OUR mantra -- they people of USA want jobs and if a company goes off shore -- we want a tariff on the goods they sell here - etc

I remember hearing when very young that when you talk to a crazy person - you CAN go to their level if you "talk at/with them" --- and that is what we are doing.
I want more articles on "how to fix the problem of JOBS" -- and challenging the Supremes decison about "personhood" -- that is not a First Amendment right as the Supremes justified their 2010 decision. Scalia/Thomas: I'm talking to YOU.

Who is funding Norquist? Al Quaeda?

VOTE 2012.
 
 
+55 # wwway 2011-08-13 23:03
Cosidering the Republican Party went to bed with the religious right in the early 1980's so we can all expect a spectical to pulpit pounding campaign speaches and rhetoric that will make the culture war rhetoric sound tame.
 
 
+75 # Debbie Grey 2011-08-13 23:05
"In Texas, they engage in elaborate ceremonies involving branding irons, plumb lines and stakes inscribed with biblical passages driven into the earth of every Texas county."

Sorcery and Witchcraft, plain and simple, sez I. [And yet they elaborately condemn the ceremonialism of the Catholic Church.]
 
 
+10 # Wolfchen 2011-08-14 10:32
We all deserve the god we create. If we're ignorant, greedy, cruel, dictatorial as well as fire-and-brimst one in temperament, it's no surprise that god is given such characteristics .
Oh, by the way, my god recently gave me a recipe for heavenly Chow Mein. Just made up a whole batch of the stuff, and it's terrible...yuck ! Excuse me if I don’t share with you more of god's hot-breathed whisperings in my ear, but I've got to go out and find some suckers who'll buy up that meal from the fiery pit. Verdammt, I spent a small fortune for the ingredients at the supermarket. I mean, with god's threats to take away Social Security and Medicare, one has to pinch every ha'penney.
 
 
+3 # giraffee2012 2011-08-14 13:21
Wolfchen - If your post is meant as sarcasm - you did well. But until the last sentence - it was unclear!
 
 
0 # Wolfchen 2011-08-17 14:51
'twas done for dramatic effect, sweetkins...and the devil made me do it.
 
 
+3 # PaganPriestess 2011-08-14 18:19
Not sorcery or witchcraft-rath er it seems reminiscent of the ceremonial FreeMasons in some ways-but they are not sorcerers or witches either. The Texans with their plumb lines and stakes OTOH, might be geomancers!
 
 
+20 # maheanuu 2011-08-13 23:36
If there is anything I know it is the xtian fundie nuts that are running around out there. From the time I was old enough to realize that Religion was a totalitarian form of control, I used to have a belt taken to me every Sunday Morning to force me to go to church. That Spare The Rod Spoil The Child didn't work and I have the scars to prove it. I despise xtians with a white hot hate. The are the lowest forms of life on the planet. I personally would like to see them taxed out of existance and their so called holy books put in museums as a study in ignorance and superstition. I doubt that will happen though. The trailer trash out there who is ignorant to the extreme would not allow it... Perhaps we could give the heartland their own country and make sure that none of the maggots managed to squirm into the blue states..... Lots of ideas on how to combat this tyranny but most of them are bloody.
 
 
+50 # teineitalia 2011-08-13 23:49
Why does Texas spawn some of the worst weirdos in America?

Is it too late to let them secede from the Union?
 
 
+13 # giraffee2012 2011-08-14 13:33
I heard no state can secede from the Union - or I would want the USA to split into the Religious Right states and the rest of us into another country. Borders maybe a problem and some people may have to move to be in the Country of their choice.

Somebody told me Mail-in Ballots can be tossed out (or not counted) -- then TAKE your mail-in ballot to a polling place on election day - (see above) -- BUT VOTE.

in CA ... when Schwartzinager was running first term - there were counties with thousands of votes above the population of county. Check your state's rules for # votes + registered + population.

URL below:
"In a column in The Washington Post on Friday, Bill Gross, who runs the giant bond-trading firm Pimco, lashed out at Republicans and “co-opted Democrats” for setting aside widely accepted economic theory.

“An anti-Keynesian, budget-balancin g immediacy imparts a constrictive noose around whatever demand remains alive and kicking,” he wrote. “Washington hassles over debt ceilings instead of job creation in the mistaken belief that a balanced budget will produce a balanced economy. It will not.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/13/business/economy/voices-faulting-gop-economic-policies-growing-louder.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1
 
 
0 # giraffee2012 2011-08-14 13:43
Quoting teineitalia:
Why does Texas spawn some of the worst weirdos in America?

Is it too late to let them secede from the Union?


Interesting opinion on Gov Rick Perry -- & comments on Constitutionali ty -- and apparently there is no "path to secede"

http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/no-texas-cannot-secede-no-texas-cant-split-itself/
 
 
+51 # angelfish 2011-08-14 00:10
If this Right-Wing Religious Lunacy isn't nipped in the bud, we're headed for deep trouble! These Loons are the equivalents of Al Queda and the Taliban, imposing THEIR religious imprimatur on America! We were founded on Freedom OF and FROM religion. There is, as there SHOULD be, separation of Church and State. WHY would they march us back to the days of discrimination and accusation (see: WITCH HUNT) if one doesn't march Goose-step in line with THEIR definition of America? We of ALL Faiths have a home here in what USED to be the REFUGE of the World! God gave us FREE WILL to choose our own life's path. Having the Government say WHO and WHAT to believe in is a "Brave New World" in which I don't want to live! They want EVERYONE to look, talk, and believe as THEY do! That's NOT what we EVER will stand for in this Country! Beware, the "ME FIRSTers" with their Fascist leanings toward Dictatorship is imminent if we don't educate ourselves to what their TRUE agenda is for America! Saying they're Christian doesn't mean they are! Most of them probably couldn't give an accurate definition of one if they had the Bible open in FRONT of them! Americans don't need to be Christians, there are thousands of wonderful Americans of EVERY faith and ethnicity, including NON-Believers, who have made our Country a Beacon for diversity of Religion, Thought, and Intellect! Vote accordingly in 2012!
 
 
+17 # stonecutter 2011-08-14 10:20
Once in while someone sums it up with virtual perfection. Perfectly said, Angelfish.
 
 
+11 # Terrapin 2011-08-14 11:49
"The pastors told Perry of God's grand plan for Texas. A chain of powerful prophecies had proclaimed that Texas was "The Prophet State," anointed by God to lead the United States into revival and Godly government. And the governor would have a special role."
There are billions of galaxies, each containing billions of stars. The GOD of this Universe picked these two Christian hucksters to proclaim this political schyster without a spiritual bone in his body to be HIS appointed Savior for America® .
 
 
+39 # chinaski 2011-08-14 00:47
There's no better way to drown out the voice of God than to be continuously speaking for God. Baby-souled Christians, forever putting words in the mouth of God. God said this, God wants that, God intends this, God has a special plan for you. Every sentence starts with God. Resulting in a continuous stream of pious white-noise that effectively drowns out the slightest possibility of self-awareness. Conscious thought replaced with a high pressure stream of funnel-fed dogma.
Sam Kinison had a funny bit wherein God would wake up Pat Robertson at 3 in the morning, "Pat...PAT, wake up, it's God" "Yes Lord?" "I want you to go outside into your driveway and check your tire pressure."
Perhaps the solution here is just a matter of programming. "Psst....psst.. .hey...Rick...R ICK...it's God...I want you to go home, open up a beer and sit in front of your television set and wait for further instructions."
 
 
+3 # tahoevalleylines 2011-08-14 01:43
And T-Bone warns of Oilfield depletion bringing on Federal Executive Emergency Orders for Motor fuel allocation by mid-decade. Trains will be back!

But we were talking prophecy and to stay on topic, lets try some quantum physics: see "Isabel Piczek Image Formation". Throw in some Mormons and Muslims, stir well...
 
 
+13 # CragJensen 2011-08-14 02:12
These sorts of people have been at this for a long time. Yet - they only get just so far and then fizzle out.
If they ever do control, however, you can kiss freedom (as we know it) goodbye.
In fact - you might just have to kiss your life goodbye if you don't agree with their theological viewpoint if they ever really did cease control of our government.

Still - I wouldn't worry too much about these idiots just yet. Just know that they exist and may, at some point in history, present a real problem to those of us who do not "think" the way they do.
 
 
+25 # Isar 2011-08-14 02:25
The struggle to keep separation of church and state will always be at the forefront of American politics. However, those of us who believe that separation is important to our democracy's survival are losing out to the Mega-churches who brain wash their members and tell them how to vote. Also, don't forget the huge amounts of money these Mega-Preachers can give to any campaign. Rick Perry is a perfect Mega-Church candidate. He's handsome, "presidential" and invokes the name of God and Jesus whenever possible. As our conservative "friends" lean more toward the conservative Christian political philosophy, so will their candidates be more like Rick Perry. He knows a good "gig" when he sees one. He's an opportunist filling a hole that needs to be filled by the Republican right-wing Christian fanatics. However, we must always fight these extremists. They are dangerous to themselves, and certainly to the moderate Christian population, as well as the other religious communities...a s well as the growing atheist population that quite simply wants religion out of poltics. But then again, our President ends every speech with "God Bless the American People and the United States of America." Using "God" is always a safe bet, right?
 
 
+13 # minniemouse 2011-08-14 05:40
I don't care if it rains or freezes,
Long as I've got my plastic Jesus,
Strapped to the dashboard of my car.
 
 
+18 # Rita Walpole Ague 2011-08-14 05:44
Greed and power addiction is, tragic and then some, not confined to the wealthiest of the wealthy in this country and throughout the world today. I call them our villainiare ruler

Sad beyond belief, this group's use of a man/God named Jesus, also known as the Prince of Peace, to justify their power control grab. Sorry, but Jesus is the Holy One who booted the money grabbers out of the temple, and preached his sermon on the mount, clearly directing us to love more, care more, give more and share more. Does not jive with ripping away the the programs (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaide) that keep us all from suffering and starving, sick, shelterless, etc.

Then, recall this same Jesus turning down the devil's offer to give him control of all the world and all in it? Recall also the man/God clearly condemning hatred and violation of those who walk a different path sexually (i.e. let those among you without sin be the first to throw a rock).

What this article describes is anything but holiness - this type of spiritual masturbation for power seeking purposes is anything but good and Godly. And two of the 'worst governors in the U.S. today' - Perry of Texas and Scott of Arizona - jumping onboard says it all.

Our Prince of Peace in step with 'Hate' and 'Hate Groups'? Duh!
 
 
+12 # Glen 2011-08-14 06:27
The concerns of many of us, for decades, has not only been the insistent take over by so called Christians, but WHICH Christians. Considering the number of churches and the squabble over which tenets are correct and what god really is/means one cannot but be aware of the possibility of the most militant among them, not to mention downright terroristic, would take the podium in D.C.

These groups are proving the case for worry. Whether they win out at this time or not, they are creating chaos, which has worked nicely in wrecking this country.
 
 
+29 # Barbara K 2011-08-14 06:27
He has screwed up Texas so much that they can't wait to get rid of him. We certainly don't need him screwing up the country any more than they've already done. The GOP was once a fairly respectable party,then they teamed up with the crazy teabaggers and have become as nutty as they are. They don't want to help America, they want to destroy America, especially the citizens; by taking away the programs we paid for like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. They got theirs, now they want ours.
NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN if you are not a Billionaire.
 
 
+19 # humanmancalvin 2011-08-14 06:39
Be afraid, be very afraid.
 
 
+5 # Merschrod 2011-08-14 07:06
Ah, but you have missed the point - the movement that Perry is tapping into is a VAST network of true believers. The opposition that you cited is, of course there, but it is the small mainstream of organized religion and politics.

Read the Spider and the Starfish. The Apostalic Movement is based on beliefs and not structure. It is quite Protestant in the sense of diverse charasmatic leaders. Key slogans or words ring bells that supposedly cansolve the ills.

This is a serious movement that conservative elites can tap to keep the focus on evil government - but watch those slogans about repentenent corporations and wealth. They are potentially "progresive" thoughts.
 
 
+3 # Peacedragon 2011-08-14 07:24
Holy pancakes!
 
 
+7 # hoffhort 2011-08-14 07:38
This is why RSN is worth contributing to. This is a great article, really important. I plan to save it and refer back to it as things go from crazy to insane to bonkers. Thank you, RSN!
 
 
+20 # erogers 2011-08-14 08:09
Eight years of one crazy Texan was quite enough. No one will tell me what deity to worship, or what prayer is proper or what church to attend. This guy is nothing but a religious zealot who also has every major corporation solidly in his pockets.
Why can't people think beyond their bibles and realize just what our Founding Fathers were attempting to form. Perry is clueless with regards the foundations of this country.
 
 
+14 # Ed Hutchinson 2011-08-14 08:35
Somebody should test the water in Texas. What are they drinking?
 
 
+3 # foxtrottango 2011-08-14 13:31
It's got to be the lead in the water. There is no other explanationb.
 
 
+16 # in deo veritas 2011-08-14 08:35
Seperation of church and state is fundamental to the Constitution. I would like to see an amendment prohibiting any and all clergy from holding public office. If these loonies really followed their bible they would know that you cannot serve both God and mammon. Mammon is the corporate fascist state that the enemies of America (Wall Street, etc.) want and what the Republican Party has fallen in servitude to. NO REAL American is going to let these charlatans force their brand of "religion" on them and I am one of those. They must be resisted by all means at hand. The voice they hear is not that of God- guess whose?
 
 
+11 # in deo veritas 2011-08-14 08:40
There are plenty of good Americans in Texas who denounce Perry and his harmful policies while in office. One can hope that they will arise and not only prevent him from getting in the White House but run him out of Austin. I hear that the Bushes hate him so he can't seek political asylum in Dallas. There are other asylums more suited to deal with him and his psychophants but NOT at the taxpayers' expense.
 
 
+13 # GeeRob 2011-08-14 10:36
The 47% of Texans who did not vote for Perry despise him.
I look forward to seeing him in a debate, something he refused to do in 2010. I want these topics brought up:
Cameron Todd Willingham execution
Texas' Emerging Technology Fund
The "purchasing" and "selling" of his home in Horseshoe Bay
The debacle of his Trans Texas Corridor
I can't explain or understand the ignorance of the 53% who voted for him in 2010. But Perry is politically saavy. He's no radical fundamentalist; he's actually worse. It's the votes and adoration he wants. Beware this man.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2011-08-15 18:26
Actually he got 39% of vote, you all were so busy wanting to show change must be made, he slinked thru
 
 
0 # karenvista 2011-08-17 20:03
Quoting GeeRob:
I can't explain or understand the ignorance of the 53% who voted for him in 2010.

Actually he only won the last election with 39% of the votes. There was another Tea Party backed candidate who made the mistake of saying that there should be a thorough investigation of 9/11 so she only got a few percent of the votes.
 
 
+2 # karenvista 2011-08-17 20:07
Perry is known in Texas as "the Ricktator."

Included in the list of "accomplishment s" of Gov. Rick Perry is his appointment to the Texas State Finance Commission of William White, a "Senior Executive" of the largest payday loan and pawnshop company in the state, CashAmerica.

From the Texas Finance Commission website:

"Since June of 2004, White has served as a board member on the Finance Commission of Texas, which is the oversight and policymaking body for the Texas Department of Banking, Texas Department of Savings and Mortgage Lending, and the Office of Consumer Credit Commissioner."

In March of 2009, he was named Chairman of the Commission by the Governor of Texas (Perry).


http://www.fc.state.tx.us/fcmember.htm

http://www.fc.state.tx.us/memberbios/white.htm
 
 
+2 # karenvista 2011-08-17 20:09
And, make note of Perry's budget balancing by robbing the poor! Texas has a program called LITE UP TEXAS which imposes $1. fee on electric bills in all deregulated parts of the state which we are told goes to help the poor and indigent elderly pay their electricity bills.

Instead of passing it all on to the needy Texans who are dying in their houses in this, our hottest year in history, the State of Texas steals the vast majority of the money from
the poor but still defrauds the citizens by saying it is collecting money to help our poor neighbors.

As the Houston Chronicle says in the following editorial, "There's a special place for people who behave like that. And it's a hot one.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/7686419.html#ixzz1Uwr5nS00

People need to know what kind of "good Christian" Rick Perry really is!
 
 
+2 # karenvista 2011-08-17 19:56
Perry cut the mental health services in Texas so I don't think we have an asylum to send him to anymore. That's why we're exporting our sociopaths now.
 
 
+5 # Diane Johnson 2011-08-14 09:36
whats that line in revelations(?) that says there will be in the end times, many false proghets?
 
 
+9 # Chris Connolly 2011-08-14 10:13
How can we turn this tide of zealotry in our government when our elections are more tainted every day by money equals speech and big money owned voting machines. The 200 years of Holy Inquisition was absolutely not about spirituality, morality and righteousness. It was not about helping those who cannot help themselves, ie seniors, sick, poor. It was about self-righteousn ess, self-indulgence and self-aggrandize ment. Sound familiar?
 
 
+17 # ABen 2011-08-14 10:17
As one who was raised in a Christian tradition (Friends) and has read the Bible several times and in several different forms (yes, there are differing versions of this holy book), I find what Perry and the fear-mongers he associates with are doing offensive on many levels. One thing that this group of authoritarian thugs is NOT is Christian!
 
 
+13 # wfalco 2011-08-14 10:21
The religious fanatics could gain control of government with Perry leading the way.One factor is a rallying of their masses. These folks do well in an authoriatarian structure, such as their fundamentalist church leaders. They will follow their leaders and do what they are told. There is no rational/critic al thinking mechanism to prevent them from doing otherwise.In a sense they have no internal "checks and balances."

A second factor that might allow this to occur is voter apathy. Obama has angered the leftists(rightf ully so) by not fighting back strongly enough against the current coup of hatred that he has faced from Tea Party backed Republicans. Certainly a critical error by Obama.So he may lose votes by failure to show up or votes for a third party candidate.

Lastly are the so called "independents." These are the people that the Obama Admin has most feared. Obama has attempted to be the great appeaser-all intended to show himself as the ultimate compromiser. The handlers (with Obama's agreement)inten ded to create this mythical African-America n for all people.The fear being he might seem too liberal for "mainstream America." A man undefinable with the exception of his willingness to agree to all viewpoints. He has lost these independents-pe ople with no core belief system. Now we may all lose.
 
 
+8 # pwarren 2011-08-14 10:25
These creatures are straight out of the Malleous Malaficarum. Remember that period in time of about 300 or so years when this book was on the every pulput and magistraights desk. It was the Law. The neo-reconstruct ions are followers of the contents of this book. 12th century, flatworlders and belivers in tyrany, every one of them. The founders clipped them pretty well and I don't think power ever forgets a slap like that. These creatures have been after this nations government structure ever since, and they never lack for money now with the debt as money policy and it's mighty immortal paper person, with citizens rights. The perfect get out of jail card for it's adherants.
 
 
+16 # Keith Barrand 2011-08-14 10:40
These folks are way more frightening to me than the Taliban or Al Queda.
 
 
+13 # Midwestgeezer 2011-08-14 10:48
Funny, I was just talkin' to "God" the other day and he looked me square in the eye and told me that these right-wing folks in this here Aposlolic Movement are full of shit. Actually, what I heard was bleep of bleep but he mouthed the words so I knew what he meant. Now I ask you, in HIS name, would "God" lie to me? Think about it...
 
 
+6 # CragJensen 2011-08-14 10:58
A couple of years ago I produced a video concerning the topic of whether this is a "Christian nation" or not. And while the video is entertaining as well as informative - it's the viewers comments listed below the video that really tell the story about how Americans feel about this video - i.e. the fact that the Founding Fathers never meant for the United States to be a "Christian nation."
If you have a spare minute or two - check it out: A Christian Nation?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eQazNUNO2w
Thanks...
 
 
+13 # stonecutter 2011-08-14 11:02
The NAR is, at its core, a cult. The infamous People's Temple congregants transported themselves back in 1978 from San Francisco to a jungle commune in Guyana, only to end up in tragic mass suicide (More than 900 "drank the Kool Aid") and murder. They were "Christians" too, mostly poor and minority.

The NAR, and cult of "Dominionism" that drives it, are mostly White Pentacostal "Christians". These extreme cultists want to exercise "dominion" (read: CONTROL) over ALL aspects of American life, the so-called "Seven Mountains" (just google it, and make the hair on the back of your neck stand up).

Perry may just be a cynical hack; but if he's piggy-backing on these very disturbed people, of which Palin and Bachmann and their ilk are leading "prayer warriors", he's as toxic as Fukishima.

How the NAR has avoided more scrutiny so far is just another pernicious example of the rightward lurch of red-state media, the lack of investigative zeal, except for a handful of real journalists, and revelations that aren't broadcast by mass outlets and therefore receive limited exposure, let alone in-depth analysis.

A cult is a cult is a cult. This outfit is using the Bible and Jesus Christ to mask their warped conception of the U.S. and their totalitarian comfort-zone; Perry is doing us a favor by shedding light on this evil movement.
 
 
+13 # BishopAndrew 2011-08-14 11:29
It is clear that the warning that Jesus sounded about people claiming to be his followers in the gospels is very well founded! these are dangerous people and they are just as dangerous as the jihadists of other religions who want to rule in a theocratic nation with all the attending slaughters and genocide committed by such disciples of darkness. For sane folke it is enough to expose them for what they are but for the very gullible and easily threatened it is important to use the language they employ against them. They have been around for thousands of years generally claiming a religious ideology though not always, remember the Nazis and the Communists, and always surface in times of economic crisis.
 
 
+7 # Lulie 2011-08-14 11:49
It is truly amazing what people will do out of FEAR. It's also amazing how far other people will sink to take advantage of it.
 
 
+2 # jcadams 2011-08-14 12:42
God has been kind to the Democrats in the past week. God has given us both Michele Bachmann AND Rick Perry. We are truly blessed.
 
 
+6 # foxtrottango 2011-08-14 13:34
Both Bachmann and Perry are proof that evil arises from the ashes of the Dark Ages everyonce in a while.

...and the Republican Party gets to keep them! It's God's answer to the evils of mankind.

December 21, 2012, anyone?
 
 
+8 # David Starr 2011-08-14 13:42
Here we have yet more proof of an even more fanatical fringe of the Christian Right that, in all, appears willing to live in a second Dark Age, while trying to drag the rest of us with them. They are clinging to an antiquated past.

The religion itself historically appears to be rooted in blind faith and rigid abstractions, rather than actually relying on reason or logic, and thus is indeed a real kind of totalitarianism . Of course there are believers who use their obvious human capabilities to reason, unlike most of the fanatics. And they keep religion as a strictly private affair, as it should be.

Meanwhile, the fanatics, blinded by their zeal, claim that the U.S. is a Christian nation. This grossly contradicts the U.S. constitution and its founders. To paraphrase, e.g., a line in the constitution: Conress shall not establish a religion nor restrict the practice of one thereof. No mention of Christianity or any other religion is mentioned.
 
 
+14 # grannym 2011-08-14 16:35
I thought George Bush said God talked to HIM! Then why didn't God tell him how to prevent the 9/11 attacks? Why didn't God tell him how to respond better to Katrina? Why didn't God tell him how to prevent the economic collapse? ETC.

Now along comes another crazy and arrogant Texan and his handlers, proclaiming to be hearing God speaking to them.

HMMM!
 
 
+2 # karenvista 2011-08-17 20:46
Quoting grannym:
I thought George Bush said God talked to HIM! Then why didn't God tell him how to prevent the 9/11 attacks? Why didn't God tell him how to respond better to Katrina? Why didn't God tell him how to prevent the economic collapse? ETC.


Not that I believe that God talks to anyone but consider what you just said.

Bush and his corporate overlords profited from each one of those events both politically and especially economically. You'd almost think if they hadn't happened he would have planned them.

Remember, Katrina was NOT a natural disaster. It occurred because the Corps. of Engineers built a levee system that was plagued with flawed engineering and that the City of New Orleans had gone to court to try to prevent being constructed. The hurricane didn't destroy New Orleans, the collapsed levees did.

And when 80% of the city was underwater the Bush Administration didn't respond for 5 days. Then the privatization squad arrived and stole all the property they could. Oh, and then they made the entire school system charter schools, with vouchers.

Economic Collapse=Bailou ts for the "Too Big to Fail" Financial, Insurance (AIG) and Real Estate sectors.

9/11=Two unfunded wars for his Military/Indust rial friends and a whole new industry, the Homeland Security complex.
 
 
+10 # Mark Abbott 2011-08-14 21:28
I do believe those two pastors misunderstood what God told them -- Texas is the PROFIT State, not the Prophet State!

And Perry is indeed the instrument bringing about greater riches, literally, for the "blessed" -- i.e. the Haves.

Bless his heart (as they say in Texas and all over the former Confederacy when they want to politely say "I hope he withers").
 
 
+6 # Gurka 2011-08-15 01:57
The New Apostles have set themselves two important tasks: 1) To turn the USA into an intellectual banana republic and become the laughing stock of the Western world, and 2) To rewrite history, erasing parts of the Renaissance and the entire Age of Enlightenment.
Their minds and language heavily imbued with ideas of kingdoms and wars, show clearly who they are: the cruzaders and heralds of a proud new epoch: The Age of Gullibility.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2011-08-15 18:32
You have to have brains to have an intellect..so that is not happening.
Must have and education to have used those brains, that ain't being shown live yet.
 
 
+11 # Eliz77 2011-08-15 17:01
Perry is America's whited sepulcher. He's not the only one. Several people and I, too, have been trying to alert the country about the danger from these "Christian/Tali ban" monsters determined to overthrow our government and turn this country into a Theocracy. W's coups moved us right along the path. Someone mentioned the machines -- in TN we worked very hard to put in machines that would scan a ballot and save it in a locked ballot box for back up if there were any questions about the vote. When the Republicans got into power they killed the bill that had been passed, and now we are doomed to vote with touch screen machines again.
 
 
+3 # midwegian 2011-08-15 20:11
Oh, man... what would Molly Ivins say about this?
 
 
+8 # midwegian 2011-08-15 20:24
I correct myself. Molly Ivins left many quotes appropriate to this situation. Probably the best: "Next time I tell you someone from Texas should not be president of the United States, please pay attention." Molly, I miss you, girl!
 
 
+4 # fredboy 2011-08-16 11:47
A sick pup led by a sick group. The GOP best run him off.
 
 
+2 # MainLaw 2011-08-16 15:38
Is there a way to push rewind on history so that the north (ie, the US)can lose the civil war?
 

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