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Excerpt: "The whole world is watching Georgia's US Senate runoff elections. Set to finish January 5, they'll decide who controls the balance of power in the pivotal next US Congress."

People wait in line on the first day of advance voting for Georgia's Senate runoff election in Augusta, Georgia, on Dec. 14. (photo: Michael Holahan/AP)
People wait in line on the first day of advance voting for Georgia's Senate runoff election in Augusta, Georgia, on Dec. 14. (photo: Michael Holahan/AP)


Who Will Protect Georgia's Vote Count?

By Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman, Reader Supported News

31 December 20

 

he whole world is watching Georgia�s US Senate runoff elections. Set to finish January 5th, the elections will decide who controls the balance of power in the pivotal next US Congress.

With them comes a �hidden� down-ballot Georgia Public Service Commission race that hovers over America�s last two big nuke reactors � and that could upend the whole Senatorial outcome.

Hundreds of millions of dollars are pouring into the state. Every nanosecond of radio/TV time has been bought and overpaid for.

The preliminary battles have raged over voter registration and turnout, precinct closures, misinformation about where people can vote, intimidation of citizens waiting in line during early voting, rejection of �flawed� ballots, and much more.

But they all pale before one issue: will there be a fair and accurate vote count?

The answer depends on whether grassroots citizen groups can muster the expertise, the staff, and the clout to make sure ballots are correctly marked, properly scanned, and accurately counted � and then rightly recounted.

It�s a decisive undertaking.

Ballots mailed to voters are mostly sent back through the postal service or put in drop boxes. They can also be returned in person to election boards, which may be the safest option of all.

They�re then screened. Signatures are checked, markings are verified. Partisan advocates can observe the process and are often hot to disqualify. The Georgia Secretary of State�s office is now claiming a tiny percentage of the cast ballots are being thrown out.

Georgia does have a �curing� process, where voters whose ballots are rejected can be called or otherwise notified. That correction process can be uneven.

Once the ballots are approved, they�re scanned directly into an electronic reader. The ballots themselves are preserved.

The images made during the scanning process and then electronically read can easily be saved on hard drives. There�s no logical reason to erase these images, which make recounts much easier to do. But many counties do it anyway.

Voters who personally bring their ballots into a voting center (as opposed to an election board) usually must surrender them, then vote using a touchscreen marking device.

Ironically, Trump is loudly alleging fraud on Dominion machines bought (for more than $100 million) by Georgia�s Republican Secretary of State. The purchase was bitterly opposed by voting rights advocates. (A Dominion representative had a close personal relationship with Georgia governor Brian Kemp, who denies that had anything to do with the purchase.)

Rather than providing the voter with a cheap pen, these hugely expensive touchscreen devices create a paper ballot with a bar code. The ballots are then scanned and counted. The tallies are sent from the counties to central tabulators for a statewide vote count.

In a vulnerable pivot point, the data can be downloaded onto thumb drives and personally driven by a local election official to be compiled and counted. Internet transmission from the counties to the state�s central tabulator is also an option. Hand-tallied totals could also be printed on paper and driven in, but it�s rarely done that way.

In any event, tapes of the results from the precinct scanners are legally required to be posted on the door of each precinct, for visible monitoring by the public.

Both Georgia Senate runoffs are virtually certain to be recounted.

Likewise the Public Service Commission race, on which billions of rate case dollars depend. Though it�s gotten virtually no media attention, this race features Georgia�s first African-American PSC candidate, Daniel Blackman. His focus on grassroots campaigning, huge cost overruns at the state�s two new nuclear reactors, and the critical issue of broadband in rural areas may increase turnout and affect the Senatorial outcome.

Overall, the whole system reeks of vulnerability. Bitter disputes now rage over alleged stripping of the voter rolls, massive shutdown of voting centers in African-American neighborhoods, the question of how many legitimate voters actually get their ballots in the mail, and more.

The process of challenging and curing ballots is intensely contested. The incoming paper ballots require secure tracking technology and incorruptible chains of custody.

The bitterly disputed ballot marking devices produce a paper record that voters can inspect � but they rarely do. The human eye cannot confirm that the printed bar code accurately reflects the voter�s intent. Voters can�t read bar codes.

Computerized scanning devices are hackable. So are vote counts transmitted by internet, as well as thumb drives hand-carried to the central tabulators. If the images are erased from the scanner�s memory cache, the recount process can be compromised.

These vulnerabilities can be cured. Preserving the electronic ballot images, for example, would render the inevitable recounts far easier and more accurate.

But only a powerful, highly qualified, well-coordinated team of election protectionists can make all this happen.

There are key symptoms to watch for. �Glitches� in the registration records and in the ballot marking devices lead to long lines, most frequently at college campuses and in areas with large percentages of non-white voters.

Precincts may report outcomes (as should be visible on the tapes posted on their doors) that vary wildly from local exit polls. In fact, this has been the case in many of this year�s US Senate races, including the ones won by Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham.

In Ohio 2004, the late-night vote count stopped for 100 minutes as John Kerry was 4.2% ahead. When the delay ended, George W. Bush mysteriously led by 2.5%, then won the presidency.

In Greene County that year, thousands of warehoused ballots sat open and unguarded. Despite a federal court order, 56 of Ohio�s 88 counties destroyed their voting records, preventing an accurate recount of that bitterly contested election.

All that and more could happen in Georgia within the next week. Grassroots groups such as the Atlanta NAACP, Citizens for Good Governance, Scrutineers.org, Audit USA, TrustVote and others are well-versed in various key pieces of the electoral process.

But without a massive, deeply committed task force of well-coordinated election protection activists, Georgia�s vote count could be up for grabs � no matter what its citizens actually want.



Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman co-convene the Grassroots Emergency Election Protection Coalition at www.electionprotection2024.org. Their many books reside at www.freepress.org, along with Bob�s Fitrakis Files. Harvey�s People�s Spiral of US History is at www.solartopia.org.

Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work. Permission to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader Supported News.

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+15 # treadlightly 2012-03-31 21:37
Self determination seems to be under attack in many places around the world. Breaks my heart to see peaceful, beautiful people being treated this way. What does the Dalai Lama say to this?
 
 
+14 # John Locke 2012-04-01 09:26
 
 
+2 # Byronator 2012-04-01 21:15
Yes, what DOES the Dalai Lama say about this? Is he as useless as the Pope in protecting the innocents? Cut off our commerce with the Chinese government on a personal level to show support for these people. China treats its own people just as harshly.
 
 
+38 # earlymusicus 2012-03-31 22:32
And of course, the rest of the world couldn't care less, because corporations are making lots of money in China. America is supposed to stand for freedom and justice and yet we continue to do business with China and bow down to China. Corporations don't give a rip about human rights, so long as they are making money. Money is all that counts in this lousy world now.
 
 
+14 # giraffee2012 2012-03-31 23:23
When the big $$$ completely hands the world over to China - even their $$ won't save them from the Chinese empire. Immediate gratification has it's own "reward."

Look at the GOP candidates -- supported by the Supremes' "person hood" decision - I only have evil thoughts for the future of Scalia/Thomas - the biggest crooks/mafia pigs that do NOT belong in the high court.

We're a nation gone stupid.

Vote DEM/ Vote Obama -- and VOTE in 2012. Get all Dems and non GOP/TP in your areas OUT TO VOTE.

If your rep/Senator votes for anything that takes our rights away - vote him/her OUT.

NEVER EVER vote TP/GOP (Unless the TP/GOP rig the election - there is really no way they can win the W.H. - but the Koch Brothers etc could buy their way in)
 
 
+17 # nancyw 2012-03-31 23:51
I just don't get it. The Chinese don't need any more land. This is suppose to give them control over borders with India in case ... Why they have to destroy a peoples, a culture, their sacred temples ... I don't understand that kind of evil. These Tibetans are not a threat... I just don't get it... What is China so afraid of?
 
 
-26 # Richard1908 2012-04-01 02:17
Many people feel compassion for Tibet and its people, but pinning the blame on China is the wrong response.

Little is said about China's investment in health, medicine, education and superstructure in a region that not so many years ago was a brutal theocracy, where the people spent their time doing little more than spinning prayer wheels.

The Dalai Lama is a puppet owned and operated by outside influences and he is no friend of the Tibetan people. Underlying everything to do with Tibet, do not underestimate the extent of American activity to create unrest in the region as another front to divert China.

Tibet is very remote and for many years the vast majority of its people had no contact with the outside world.The Church saw to it that those few who were educated, were taught a very narrow and religious based doctrine. Unfortunately, it is possible that some of these very sincere and dedicated people can be easily swayed by skilled, manipulative operatives to show defiance - sometimes extreme - against China.
 
 
-11 # RMDC 2012-04-01 07:29
Richard -- good post. People forget that the Dali Lama was persuaded to leave Tibet by the CIA. He was not forced out by the Chinese. The huge Buddhist center in India is pretty much a western funded and run operation. It is the base from which China is attacked.

If the US CIA were to stay out of this, I'm sure that the Chinese and Buddhists would resolve the problems quite well. After all, Buddhism is a major religion in China -- it is not the same as Tibetan Buddahism but they are sister faiths.
 
 
-2 # Sully747 2012-04-01 08:58
 
 
0 # Bill Clements 2012-04-02 17:38
I can only assume that you either work for the CCP or are a sympathizer. The revisionist history that the CCP puts out is the real fabrication.
 
 
-2 # Sully747 2012-04-01 09:04
 
 
+17 # John Gill 2012-04-01 10:09
RMDC, of course he wasn't forced out by the Chinese. They very much wanted him to stay on as a puppet. Had he done so, and continued to act out of conscience, he would have no doubt been "disappeared" as was the Panchen Lama, and countless others. Please don't buy into the Chinese party line that 99% protests by the Tibetan people are CIA originated. This is ridiculous. Of course the CIA has some connections with the Tibetan government in exile. Find a government in exile with whom the CIA is not somehow connected. This does not mean the Tibetan cause is not worthy. And as far as China resolving the problems quite well because "After all, Buddhism is a major religion in China," please read the article above, and others. Do a little research on "freedom of religion" in China. China is doing its best to completely eradicate Tibetan culture, to "disappear" it, as well. China, like any big corporation, wants conformity, and will break anything in its path that does not fit its mold.
 
 
+15 # TedN 2012-04-01 17:10
Dalai Lama escaped by the skin of his teeth. He was persued and attacked on his flight to India. Panchen Lama, not so lucky. China is being attacked from Dharmsala India? ....right.Tibet wants autonomy, the same as other minorities which China attacks on a regular basis.The culture is being destroyed, thousands killed, monastaries destroyed- where is the basis for amicable resolution? Talk to Chinese Buddhists, I have. They have nothing but respect for the Dalai Lama and disdain for Chinese politics.
 
 
+1 # Byronator 2012-04-01 21:17
Buddhism is a major religion in China...? How about stale, capitalized communism aka totalitarianism ? Don't cry for Peking.
 
 
+3 # Bill Clements 2012-04-02 17:42
Please. More perfectly obvious propaganda. The CCP will never rest until they have managed to destroy Tibetan culture and it's people. Perhaps there is hope for it's people someday, but only if they start thinking for themselves.

There are actually a lot of Tibetan Buddhist practitioners in China, mostly among the more educated class.
 
 
+18 # John Gill 2012-04-01 09:52
Richard you spew the party line, but people outside of China actually have access to INFORMATION, and anyone who bothers to do any research will find that the Dalai Lama is owned and operated by by no one, and works tirelessly to help the Tibetan people. In terms of China's "investment," the USA likes to talk about its "investment" in Iraq, too. By the way, how can you simply pass over the torture, rape and murder of thousands of Tibetan monks and nuns during the "cultural" revolution? For shame.
 
 
-8 # Richard1908 2012-04-01 19:03
John Gill:We do not agree but I object to your cheap shot that "I spew the party line". What party? I belong to none. I have said before on this forum that it is a pity people cannot discuss an issue without resorting to personal vilification and abuse.

China claims sovereignty over Tibet dating back to about 1300 - seven hundred years ago. America has become interested in Tibet more recently, to foment trouble to distract China, and because of their interest in recently discovered Tibetan resources. The CIA's role cannot be dismissed so lightly. In this instance and many others, it is intent on exploiting and perverting hints of nationalism or discontent around the world to further America's national interests - resources and global domination. America's real interest in the Tibetan people (or any other people other than American) is zero.
 
 
+8 # John Gill 2012-04-02 09:55
Richard: "party line" is a figure of speech suggesting a trotting out of the same old "line" of reasoning or argument that is in accordance with the stated positions of a particular group. I don't know you, so I am not actually suggesting that you belong to any particular party. I honestly don't care about your affiliations. The "party line" you adhere to, however, is the same one used by the Chinese government as shallow, transparent distractions from their human rights abuses of the Tibetan people. Whether it is your intention or not, you are spreading fallacies and propaganda in an apparent attempt to somehow justify or deny these human rights abuses. I am not vilifying you, unless you consider the verb "spew" vilification. So I will retract "spew" with apologies.

We don't just disagree, Richard. As someone else points out in this conversation, this sort of propaganda is tantamount to holocaust denial. I consider it truly foul. If you intend to continue spreading this sort of disinformation and were honestly offended by my bland response, I can only suggest you grow a thicker skin.
 
 
+1 # Bill Clements 2012-04-02 17:35
Well put, John. I'm with you on this 100%.
 
 
-4 # Richard1908 2012-04-02 20:09
You say I am "spewing the party line" and then go into some strangulated denial when confronted. Dragging in holocaust denial is sick - exactly the kind of grubby misinformation people like you use to spread lies about the Chinese government and Tibet. I have said before that I think it is a pity that some contributors to this site resort immediately to personal vilification.

People who discuss human rights abuses should often look in their own backyard. In America, for example, they still have capital punishment, which has been known to quite markedly detract from some people's human rights. Then there's the over two million people incarcerated - more than China - and almost the entire population of Tibet!. The discrimination against black people is just an integral part of life in the USA.

Keep up the good work for human rights, John. I'd start closer to home if I were you.
 
 
+6 # Bill Clements 2012-04-02 17:34
 
 
+14 # TedN 2012-04-01 17:04
Careful reading of the article does in fact mention material improvements made by China. At what price freedom?
Chinas 1959 invasion of Tibet caused the deaths of thousands of monks and nuns. My friend lost 10 familly members, including children killed durring the invasion. 600 monasteries containing ancients work of art and literature destroyed.
If you met the Dalai Lama and witness his care for the orphans of Tibet, rather then being influenced by third person conspiracy theorists you would know his sincerity.
Tibet was poor in science and technology but rich in art, philosophy and spirituality. Wether you agree with other s priorities is irellevent, peoples basic rights are trampled. I don't believe the CIA is forcing people to self immolate.
 
 
-12 # cadan 2012-04-01 17:47
Richard1908, thanks for going out on a limb and injecting some truth into the discussion. You're doing a service because it is much harder to go against the wind than with it.

People are amazingly and perhaps wilfully unaware of the fact that most Tibetans were illiterate serfs prior to modern government by the Chinese, and were among other things subject to torture.

And it is a matter of public record that the Dalai Lama has received CIA funding, especially in the early years (google it---there are NYT articles about it).

This doesn't mean the Chinese or the Chinese Communist Party are perfect but many solutions will put Tibet in a much worse position (e.g., with a huge US base in them --- then we'll see how much attention Hollywood pays).
 
 
+23 # Peacedragon 2012-04-01 03:27
The irony is that if China would act with compassion toward Tibet good things would come to China.
 
 
+11 # Glen 2012-04-01 06:00
The U.S. will not interfere in most world oppression due to the benefits or alliances they maintain in various countries. Also, the U.S. government and military is preparing their own attacks on citizens in country.

As earlymusicus writes, "Corporations don't give a rip about human rights...", which is the new governing mantra. Freedom and democracy are evaporating into history, as so many past concepts.
 
 
+9 # Kootenay Coyote 2012-04-01 08:41
 
 
-9 # Sully747 2012-04-01 08:55
 
 
+11 # John Gill 2012-04-01 10:34
In the 1960's the CIA supported the Tibetan government in exile, just as they did many other governments in exile as part of an effort to undermine Communism globally. Of course the Tibetan's accepted help. Who would not? You fail to mention that during this same period, the Chinese destroyed thousands of monasteries, tortured, raped, murdered and enslaved as laborers in forced labor camps, thousands and thousands of Tibetan monks and nuns.

I have known personally many Tibetan people, both monks and laity. To suggest that they are engaging in violence in order to return to the 19th century is laughable. You may try to rewrite history, and misrepresent the Tibetans all you like, but the information is out there and available. This is not China yet, and we still have access to the truth.
 
 
+5 # TedN 2012-04-01 17:25
Tibeten refugees have not been picky about taking donations. How could they be?
No one had a lavish lifestyle in Tibet. Some lived better then others.Like everywhere. Monkhood has very strict rules.
Vows of poverty and chastity are taken seriously to this day.
You say monks caused unrest. Who invaded who? Tibetans of all classes only want the "Feudal Theocracy"reins talled, could it have been that harsh and unfair? Tibetans are spiritually oriented. At one time 75% of Tibetans were monks. This caused many material problems for Tibet.
$186,000 a year is chicken feed for International Aid. Get some perspective.
 
 
+7 # jwb110 2012-04-01 11:25
WIthout regard for conspiracy hypothesis, the West has no more credibility where Tibet is concerned because of policies and violence and regime change in the MIddle East. The West has relinquished its moral standing as a beacon of human rights.
Wether the conditions in Tibet are manufactured or not there has been a massive amount of cultural destruction, much as happened in the Bush2 invasion of Iraq. The US let the museums and Universities be looted because to destroy a culture is to destroy its identity.
On the flip side of the argument, chins need only look at conditions regarding religious intrusion into Gov't to justify their actions. Like it or not the house cleaning must happen in each Gov't's house and not in the coercion of some other other country.
Be clear that China is not an ally of the US or much of the West and their incursion into Asia will not stop at Tibet.
 
 
+14 # corey949 2012-04-01 14:36
I am terribly saddened by the comments that seem to parrot Chinese Government propaganda about Tibet. I am reminded of Holocaust deniers. What I know of Tibet and its history has nothing to do with "Hollywood." It comes from first-hand accounts by Tibetans in exile. The senseless oppression of Tibet by China is all too real. Of course China is far from being the only powerful nation that is guilty of aggression and human rights abuses. The fact that other peoples also suffer repression, disenfranchisem ent, torture and annihillation is no reason to ignore the tragic situation in Tibet. And please notice that H?H.H. The Dalai Lama is unique among world leaders in his refusal to succumb to anger, hatred or to demonize anyone, including the Chinese government.
 
 
+6 # Bill Clements 2012-04-01 19:28
Unfortunately, the CCP's lackeys are very active on such blog sites like HuffPost. There is no doubt that some who are posting to this story are also CCP members. I've had a lot of experience replying to their lies and their propaganda over the years, given my knowledge of Tibetan history and culture. Anytime you see a reference to "Hollywood" you know you're dealing with the CCP or sympathizers of the CCP.
 
 
+6 # treadlightly 2012-04-01 21:29
 
 
+1 # treadlightly 2012-04-01 21:43
Just wanted to toss in the link to the State Dept. Hope it comes up for you.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/127184.htm
 
 
-7 # Richard1908 2012-04-02 01:32
Now we can all know the truth regarding the Tibet/China situation. Apparently the State Department of the United States of America can be trusted for an accurate commentary - by Hilary Clinton anyways.

And the CIA has supposedly only ever acted most honourably when it interferes with the functions of sovereign countries around the world, killing millions of people in coups and other covert actions over recent years and putting their economies into eternal debt to the IMF and others (e.g Indonesia). Don't people know and understand the CIA's agenda?

Meanwhile others who contribute to this site are being accused of parroting Chinese propaganda or members of some anonymous "party" for holding a different view.

The fact is, America's activities and propaganda are subject to increasing scrutiny these days by people in the rest of the world, and what we see is lies and deceit on every front. Wikileaks, anyone?
 
 
+5 # Bill Clements 2012-04-02 17:18
You've obviously missed the point. It's not about the U.S. No one is defending the U.S. here; this is about China's brutal fifty-plus years oppression of Tibetans. Please tell me how our "activities and propaganda" are apropos to the extreme desperation Tibetans feel about their life under CCP rule?
 
 
+3 # KOLOHE1 2012-04-02 17:41
Just because some country "claims' rights to another country for 1000 years doesn't necessarily mean that they have a right to occupy said country. Yes, the majority of Tibetans were illiterate and poor prior to the chinese invasion, the question remains: Is the majority better off now than they were before? As to religious freedom in China, I think we all know that does not exist: Christians, Muslims and Buddhists all have to conform to Chinese doctrine or else be banned and imprisoned. However, when Christians get imprisoned then the Western powers go on the barricades and many churches put pressure on their representatives to do something about this.
What is wrong with allowing Tibetans to determine what type of government they want and if the choose a theocracy, so be it, it will have been their choice. Let's not be hypocritical and point the finger at the US for invading Iraq etc to "foster democracy" and then say that it's ok for China to occupy Tibet, since they brought progress to the region. Can we at least be internally consistent?
The truth in Tibet's case is probably neither what China says nor what the Dalai Lama says, but probably somewhere in between. Regardless, I think at this point the Dalai Lama has reached the higher ground: he has never denounced or attacked the Chinese, which cannot be said of the Chinese government.
 
 
-5 # Richard1908 2012-04-02 19:33
America has an agenda for Tibet based on promoting dissent and desperation among the Tibetan people to destabilise the Sino/Tibetan relationship.

Sixty years ago the Tibetans lived under a theocracy. Over 90% of people lived with no access to modern medicine, hospitals, schools or electricity, although they were well-versed in spinning prayer wheels. Over the last sixty years, Tibet has changed from a serfdom to a modern and even prosperous society. Life expectancy has changed from thirty years to seventy.

Tibetan "discontent" has been fanned by the American Government and its agencies, with an actively complicit church. It is the Dalai Lama, the monks and exiled Tibetans who promote what is largely the myth of an unhappy and oppressed Tibetan people.

Of course there has been friction as Tibet has been introduced to more Chinese people and modern-day China and the world at large. China spent $2.4 billion on the railway to Lhasa, and current plans involve a $50 billion expenditure on infrastructure. The old establishment of Tibetan monks don't want to see their power base stripped away.

Another myth suggests that there is no religious tolerance in China. There are 100 million adherents to Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism and Protestantism, some 85,000 places of worship and 300,000 clergy.

Finally if 1,000 years doesn't give any country the right to occupy, can the Indians have their land back, please?
 
 
+3 # Bill Clements 2012-04-03 09:12
 
 
-2 # Richard1908 2012-04-03 16:06
You are determined to insult and to try to demonise people who have independently arrived at any other thought process other than your own.

Wow. Talk about propaganda, you've got it covered. If you're not actually a card-carrying member of the C IA you should be granted honorary status by them for happily buying into the dreck they peddle.
 
 
+1 # Rangzen 2012-04-03 18:26
Have you ever been to Tibet?
 
 
-2 # Bill Clements 2012-04-04 00:28
My intention was not to insult or demonize you. So, you aren't a CCP member. Nevertheless, your views mirror those of the CCP and you must know that much of what you are disseminating is disinformation of the worst kind having no basis in fact. Rangzen asks a good question. I wonder what you would say if you were to visit Tibet, and not just the parts of Tibet that the CCP's minders sanction?
 
 
+3 # Bill Clements 2012-04-03 09:48
 
 
+4 # Bill Clements 2012-04-03 12:42
And finally: since white Europeans took the land from Native Americans, that somehow justifies China's actions? Both were/are wrong. Is that the CCP immoral equivalency argument?
 
 
+8 # Rangzen 2012-04-03 15:01
It might benefit the dialogue for an actual Tibetan to speak. I was born in Eastern Tibet, and my family was able to flee in 1961. I have returned from time to time. Our lives were not rich materially in the Western sense but peaceful. We had everything we needed. Some of my relatives were farmers, some nomads and some were in monasteries. I experienced all of these while staying with relatives. Despite winter life was good. The basis of our lives was Buddhism. There was no oppression or slavery (!) until the Chinese came with brutality, horror and wanton bloodshed and cruelty. We Tibetans were cast into an unremitting hell. It has not ended. Well over a million of my countrymen and women have been imprisoned, tortured and slaughtered. Our religion, language and culture are being destroyed. Tibet is hell-on-earth. Electricity and roads do not even begin to alleviate the spiritual and physical suffering of the Tibetan people. His Holiness the Dalai Lama is our very heart...and he prays not only for Tibetans' suffering but for the Chinese perpatrators as well. He prays for all beings. I give this testimony hoping to ground this discourse more factually in actual experience. I urge Richard1908 to read the comments of Bill Clements and the article itself. There is truth in what they say while China 'spews' massive lies and brutality...genocide.
Bod Gyalo!
 
 
+3 # Bill Clements 2012-04-04 00:13
Thank you, Rangzen, for such a heartfelt, honest posting. As a Tibetan who has experienced firsthand the Chinese invasion of their homeland and the unremitting suffering that has followed, your words carry an unmistakable gravitas. Who else better qualified to speak on Tibet and life under the Chinese occupation? I only wish that you could have posted earlier. My sincere hope is that these tragic self-immolation s are finally getting the world community's attention and that the result will be increasing pressure on China to rethink their treatment of the Tibetan people and their country. Personally, I pray for a time when Tibet will once again be completely free.
 
 
+4 # Glen 2012-04-04 06:37
Thank you, Rangzen. Certainly would be of benefit if more citizens spoke up on articles concerning their countries and issues.
 
 
+1 # moby doug 2012-04-04 14:23
Among the many outlandish statements by Richard1908, this jumped out at me: "Another myth suggests that there is no religious tolerance in China. There are 100 million adherents to Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, Catholicism and Protestantism, some 85,000 places of worship and 300,000 clergy." China's Communist rulers have savaged Buddhists, Taoists, Christians, and those of several other religions by the millions, and have done so for 60 years. Things may not be as hideous as they were in the worst years of the Cultural Revolution, but it's laughable to claim the Chinese gov't is religiously tolerant. And it's transparently and unrelentingly INtolerant of Tibetan Buddhism in particular. ...Who really IS Richard1908 and why is he spewing these lies?!
 

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