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Freedman writes: "After decades of nurturing a culture of violent, racist abuse, Customs and Border Protection cannot be seen as just another working-class job. Like Hitler's SS, we must see CBP not as a place where good people do bad things, but where bad people do bad things."

Migrants from Honduras being taken into custody by Border Patrol agents near Granjeno, Texas. (photo: Tamir Kalifa/NYT)
Migrants from Honduras being taken into custody by Border Patrol agents near Granjeno, Texas. (photo: Tamir Kalifa/NYT)


The Border Patrol Is the American SS

By Aaron Freedman, Jacobin

06 July 19


After decades of nurturing a culture of violent, racist abuse, Customs and Border Protection cannot be seen as just another working-class job. Like Hitler’s SS, we must see CBP not as a place where good people do bad things, but where bad people do bad things.

ver the past few weeks, the media has been saturated with debate over Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s use of the term “concentration camps” to describe internment facilities for asylum seekers along the southern border. While critics have said the terminology is insulting to Jews and our forbearers who were murdered in the Holocaust, others (like myself) have insisted that “concentration camp” — first brought into widespread usage to describe the horrific internment of South Africans by the British during the Boer Wars — is a terrifyingly apt description of the abuses being committed on the border.

This week, the usage of “concentration camp” has been shown truer than ever, with the Department of Homeland Security watchdog sharing photos of inhumane overcrowding, described by one senior manager as “a ticking time bomb.” And a delegation of Congressional representatives — including Ocasio-Cortez — to the border reported the rampant physical and psychological abuse of detainees, including orders from guards to drink toilet water.

Yet even given this wanton, dehumanizing abuse, the Trump administration still insists that the conditions in these concentration camps are only a consequence of funding shortfalls. Give us more cash, and we’ll get some more mattresses, they say.

But in the past few days, what little credibility that narrative had has evaporated in the midst of a bombshell report from ProPublica on a far-right Facebook group of current and former agents of Customs and Border Protection (CBP, the agency which runs the camps).

The details of the group are sickening: called “I’m 10-15” — Border Patrol code for “aliens in custody” — members have joked about the death of an immigrant in CBP custody, discussed throwing burritos at Latino members of Congress visiting the camps, and even shared vulgar images of Ocasio-Cortez engaging in sexual acts with a detained migrant and President Trump.

This is no fringe group — it boasts roughly 9,500 members (CBP’s total force is about twenty-thousand agents), and, as Politico reports, has been known to Border Patrol leadership for three years. And this isn’t just harmless talk: during the House Democrat trip to the border, CBP agents displayed open hostility against the elected representatives, including taking their phones and cameras.

In response, Ocasio-Cortez called CBP “a rogue agency.”

I’ll go one step further: CBP is the American SS.

This is not a comparison I make lightly. The SS, of course, was the Nazi Party’s elite paramilitary, made up of ideological diehards who oversaw and carried out some of the regime’s worst crimes. In particular, it included the overseers of concentration and death camps, the SS-Totenkopfverbände (SS-TV)­ — literally, the “Death’s Head Units.” But, as a Jew whose family was murdered in the Holocaust, I feel especially responsible for taking the historical lessons of that era and applying them to this urgent moment.

There’s a reason that the SS ran the Nazi camps: they were true believers. Since the first concentration camp, Dachau, was built in March 1933, it was only the ideologically pure Nazi paramilitary who were to be trusted with overseeing them. Given their crucial role in abusing and murdering racial enemies, LGBT people, “enemies of the Reich” (including Communists and socialists), and “asocials” (including pacifists and draft dodgers), these camps had to be run by those who deeply believed in dehumanizing of their victims.

“Dehumanizing” may be the best word to describe the words and actions of CBP officers. At every level — from the senior staff that send immigrants to concentration camps instead of open shelters to the officers who joke about people dying in their custody to the guards who intentionally torment detainees — CBP is an agency whose very essence is about the dehumanization of immigrants.

And this isn’t new: CBP agent violence has long been pervasive. As Daniel Denvir recounted recently:

Complaints of abuse were so rampant in 1980 that two Hispanic agents were sent undercover, dressed as Mexican workers, to check out the San Clemente checkpoint on I-5. The result: the agents allegedly beat their undercover colleagues with a chair and flashlight — and were charged with beating others including a fifteen-year-old citizen.

Accounts like this have been corroborated by both former and current Border Patrol officers who have assailed a pervasive culture of cruelty. As one former CBP agent, Jenn Budd, put it, “cruelty is the point . . .  This is taught in the academy and reinforced by management.” When Budd tried to report abusive behavior to CBP, she got run over by an agent in the parking lot.

Of course, the CBP is not exterminating people by the millions. And the United States is not a fascist state. But my point is to emphasize that after decades of nurturing a culture of violent, racist abuse, CBP cannot be seen as just another working-class job. Like the SS, we must see CBP not as a place where good people do bad things (as many historians have suggested much of the Nazi Wehrmacht was), but where bad people do bad things. It is rotten to its very core.

In reading accounts of Border Patrol, one of the most chilling came in from Daniel Denvir:

What seems different now is there were also, as recently as ’94, frequent expressions of ambivalence. Agents who said things like: “A lot of times I’ve sat down and wondered, am I doing the right thing? . . .  I think, jeez, these are just poor people trying to feed their families.” If my sense of this is right — that Border Patrol agents have become yet more vicious and racist in recent years — that’s thanks to decades of politicians waging a bipartisan war that demonizes undocumented migrants as an economic, criminal, terrorist, and existential threat.

The SS was prized by Hitler for training its members to be totally unambivalent about the atrocities they committed. With Border Patrol now becoming the same, and using that right-wing ideological commitment to oversee dehmanizing and murderous concentration camps, the Left must be unequivocal in calling the agency what it is: the American SS.

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-47 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2019-07-06 13:32
This article is just silly. Journalists like this are blowing molehills into mountains. There are concentration camps that are death camps. The concentrations camps run by US immigration police are just dirty and ill-equipped places where migrants and refugees can be humiliated in the hope that they will return home and never come back. Compare the immigration camps along the US border to Gaza, the area where nearly 2 million Palestinians are penned up and repeatedly bombed and murdered by Israelis. They are given just enough food and water so they don't die, but nothing more.

The US really does have a real SS and it is not the immigration cops. It is the US Special Forces. Take a look at the building which houses the Navy Seals. It is designed in the shape of a swastika.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=navy+seals+swastika+building+design&FORM=HDRSC2


You can find lightening bolt SS runes on the helmets or shirts of many US special forces troops. Some have even tattooed the runes on their necks. The story of a Navy Seal who murdered people in Afghanistan in total abandon show what they are. This is a far cry from what is going on at the border.

This sort of hysterical journalism does not help. Try to be honest. That is bad enough.
 
 
+22 # Texas Aggie 2019-07-06 18:32
This sort of hysterical commenting does not help. It is trying to excuse the inexcusable. In essence, saying it isn't as bad now as it looks like it is becoming and just because it's worse now than it used to be, it still isn't as bad as it could be is enabling the worst of the worst.
 
 
0 # dbrize 2019-07-06 21:51
Quoting Texas Aggie:
This sort of hysterical commenting does not help. It is trying to excuse the inexcusable. In essence, saying it isn't as bad now as it looks like it is becoming and just because it's worse now than it used to be, it still isn't as bad as it could be is enabling the worst of the worst.


No.

RR’s response is not remotely “hysterical. He is correctly pointing out the authors use of equating the BP with the Nazi SS killing machine as the ludicrous false equivalence it is . And his examples of far more egregious actions for comparison is accurate and on the mark.

Democrats who continue to promote this type of hysterical TDS are the primary reason the clown act in the WH has a good chance to be re-elected. TDS passed beyond its “use by” date about 18 months ago.

Too bad so.many can’t get over it.
 
 
+2 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2019-07-07 05:02
T.A. -- I think you are glossing over the real American SS in the special forces which number about 70,000 and who roam the world committing atrocities that would make Hitler's hair curl.

The border crisis is a different thing completely and has a different solution.
 
 
+33 # coberly 2019-07-06 18:37
I wouldn't make too much of the distinction. Perhaps the border patrol is not "as bad as" the SS, or the border concentration camps are not "as bad as" the Nazi concentration camps.

But they are bad enough to need to be shut down TODAY if we are to pretend we are better than "the good germans."

How many days in prison does it take to destroy a child?

Seeing "equivalences" between what we are doing and what the Nazis did is far less of a crime against reason than not seeing them.
 
 
-6 # dbrize 2019-07-06 21:37
SeeiQuoting coberly:
I wouldn't make too much of the distinction. Perhaps the border patrol is not "as bad as" the SS, or the border concentration camps are not "as bad as" the Nazi concentration camps.

But they are bad enough to need to be shut down TODAY if we are to pretend we are better than "the good germans."

How many days in prison does it take to destroy a child?

Seeing "equivalences" between what we are doing and what the Nazis did is far less of a crime against reason than not seeing them.


Making false “equivalences” however, is always the tool of the cultural “critical theorists” whose agenda has little to do with responsible critique and more to promote societal divisiveness in preparation for the revolutionary dialectic.

It is the ongoing presentation of false equivalencies such as herein presented that is going to give a clown like Trump his best chance for a second term.
 
 
+2 # coberly 2019-07-07 17:46
dbrize

people make comparisons to printout similarities, or to point out differences.

there re similarities between the nazis and us, and there are differences. you are free to decide which matter most to you.

i think the similarities are important and hope pointing them out shock people into realizing what they are letting happen.

you seem to think the differences are important and... either hope they will let us believe we don't nee to take action, OR you believe that other people will dismiss the similarities BECAUSE they can tell themselves that the differences are so much more important that the similarities that they can accuse those who point out the similarities of bad faith.

but please note, that all depends in the end on whether you think something needs to be done, in this case about something bad that is happening.

trying to say here the claim of false equivalence is as likely to be self-serving as the claim of sufficient equivalence. as Rodion himself says (below) the important point here is what are WE going to do about something BAD. what we SAY about it is not important, and you need to realize that while crying WOLF! may be dishonest, crying "NO WOLF" may also be dishonest...mor e like the arsonist who tells the people in the house to go back to sleep, there is no fire, only a little smoke.
 
 
+3 # dbrize 2019-07-08 11:25
RR makes a reasonable suggestion which deserves study. The macro problem is that we have a serious border problem and it needs to be dealt with. As humanely as possible, yes, but it’s still a serious problem.

My point and I believe RR agrees, is that hysterical association of the BP with Nazi killing squads, gas furnaces and the like, impedes rational discussion of the problem and in fact, works against finding sensible solutions to the issue.

The way to win elections and the hearts and minds of JQPublic is not by inference that those who disagree are in favor of the SS. The revenge of the “deplorables” act II is not something to be wished for.
 
 
+11 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2019-07-07 05:01
cob -- "But they are bad enough to need to be shut down TODAY"


Yes, this is the point that needs to be emphasized.

The wrong here is that people should not be held in a prison, camp, or anywhere while waiting for a court hearing. Pre-trial detention is what is wrong. All of these people should be set free to wait for their hearing dates. I've said many times that "sanctuary cities" can and should provide housing, food, jobs, etc for them while they wait. Most of these are refugees from the US dirty wars in Central America. America owes this to them.
 
 
+1 # coberly 2019-07-07 20:22
yes, exactly.
 
 
+2 # chrisconno 2019-07-07 16:26
I think you forgot to say yet. The sordid history of concentration camps indicates that our camps are using the same egregious recipe of concentrated detainment that will soon become our own private death camps.
 
 
-4 # cynik 2019-07-06 19:06
I totally agree with you, but we are in the minority of RSN readers. I think the most of the general public, however, would also agree with you.
 
 
+11 # treerapper 2019-07-07 02:04
Children and adults are dying in these camps. Women are being raped in these camps. Suggest you get installed in one and let us know what it felt like to be in there. Nothing like some up close and personal experience to dispel absurd statements such as the ones you have made.
 
 
+7 # jcdav 2019-07-07 07:51
RR---So just how bad do conditions have to get to get you to admit they are bad? Mid east is not (yet) directly under US control- we can not do much there...HOWEVER the US border enforcement IS UNDER OUR CONTROL and we can do something about it.
 
 
0 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2019-07-08 16:00
jc -- I think they are bad right now, very bad. There are death squads in Honduras. People are leaving for refuge in the US. Clearly it is better to be in a BCP concentration camp than to be under the threat of death squads in Honduras.

The former president of Honduras that was overthrown by Hillary Clinton is calling for emergency elections so that he can be re-elected. Trump is dead set against this as are all elite media in the US.

Honduras is UNDER OUR CONTROL and we can do something about it. Without the US special forces, the current dictatorship in Honduras would fall.
 
 
+10 # suzyskier 2019-07-07 11:47
Rodion Raskollnikov
This is not hysterical journalism, it is indeed a warning. History does repeat it self and people like those in the SS are in every country that Hitler conquered. It wasn’t just German’s who committed atrocities. Americans are perfectly capable of committing the same type of crimes all they need is a particular leader and it just so happens we have one. Trump! A man with no morals, no conscience, a professional liar. A criminal with Moronic followers like Hitler had, who’s only goal if they were wealthy was more wealth and if not getting even with the other, the ones who didn’t fir their “norm”. You are obviously, from many past comments quite far to the right and either can’t or won’t see what is happening in this country. Sad.
 
 
-2 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2019-07-07 17:47
SS -- (is it SuzySkier or Schutzstaffel) -- "You are obviously, from many past comments quite far to the right"


We must have very different ideas of what it means to be "far to the right."

Read Dbrize's comments above about the dangers of false and exaggerated analogies. I do think and have written that many police departments and individual police officers are racists, sadists, and murderers. This holds true for border agents, too.

But this is a far cry from the SS or any of the many political police and death squads we know from history and the present. US police departments shoot and kill about 1200 people each year. How many have ICE agents shot and killed? Fewer than 10 people have died in custody.

Again, the US does have a real SS force. It is the special operations forces. To call ICE an SS is to help conceal the real SS force that the US government uses all over the world.
 
 
+1 # Farafalla 2019-07-07 12:20
Coming from the president of trolls, I am not surprised that Radion has weighed in on the wrong side once again. The sadism of the concentration camp guards is enough for me to see them as fascists and ready to do anything for their racist leader. Trump has emboldened this element and glorified their work. Raskolnikov almost always posts stuff that is directly or indirectly pro-Trump,. RSN will censor my reply to RR because pointing out that he is a right wing troll who probably works for the Russians is too libelous for a free speech platform where he can post all the bullshit he wants with only polite disagreement allowed.
 
 
-2 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2019-07-07 17:40
FF -- "Raskolnikov almost always posts stuff that is directly or indirectly pro-Trump,."


Sorry FF, this is not true. I'm almost always against Trump. In the few cases when he does something right -- as in cancelling the bombing of Iran -- I acknowledged it. I don't know what you thought of that but you probably know many democrats criticized him for doing that.

I get censored plenty of times, too.

Please, don't say I'm a Trump supporter. That's is just crazy.
 
 
0 # suzyskier 2019-07-08 13:19
If you are not a Trump supporter I think that is a very big surprise to quite a few readers here. Your posts always read that way, I am very surprised to read that you say you are not. As for ICE, it appears to me and many others to be a breeding ground for future SS types. When the SA and SS began they weren’t vicious murderers, it came with time and group influence. Gradually as the war went on the brutality around these people and what their superiors commanded them to do became a part of daily life. So too can brutality and looking the other way such as The Trump Administration does , lead the way for ICE to behave similarly to SS Men.
 
 
+4 # Kootenay Coyote 2019-07-07 13:13
Molehills can grow into mountains; & quickly too. Time to stop them when they're still small...& by no means time to ignore them or go into a flap about terminology.
 
 
+27 # Texas Aggie 2019-07-06 18:36
Their union put out a letter that tried to excuse their Facebook page by saying not all of the people on it were members of the BP. If they were telling the truth, then they obviously have been following it for a while and know who is on it. That they haven't done a thing to punish those guards who posted on it means that they have no problem with what they posted, an attitude that fits right in with the point of the above article. The rot extends from the very top the whole way down to the bottom.
 
 
+4 # coberly 2019-07-06 22:19
i think that if we start punishing people for what they say on Facebook we will have started down the same path they are on.

and meanwhile driven them underground so we won't be able to keep our eye on them.
 
 
-37 # jazzman633 2019-07-06 18:50
Do Border Patrol agents tattoo detainees and shave their heads?

Do they beat, torture, and work them to death?

Do they tell them they're going to get showers and herd them into gas chambers and burn the bodies afterward?

Do they conduct ghastly medical experiments on them?

This is what happened in real Nazi concentration camps.

I am really tired of gratuitous, hyperbolic Nazi comparisons. You people on the left should shut up and stop making things worse with inflammatory rhetoric.

The author needs to look past symbols and read some history. The real SS were sadistic, murderous bastards, an elite of evil. America does not have an SS, real or metaphorical.
 
 
-7 # Dennis 2019-07-06 20:22
Jazzman,

You won't get very far with rational comparison with this group, I'm afraid.

When Border Patrol detained families and separated children prior to 2016, no one ever heard about it. Now, it's "Hitler" all day, every day.
 
 
+5 # Jim Rocket 2019-07-06 20:58
I think you and Rodion missed the point of the article. Maybe read it again slowly.
 
 
+11 # coberly 2019-07-06 22:15
jazzman

i think you have a deep misunderstandin g of how language works.

if i say a boy looks like his father will you really think i must mean that he has a beard?

of course he may grow up to have a beard.

maybe we should worry about what the border patrol will grow up to look like.

still, how do you feel about children in prison?
 
 
0 # Dennis 2019-07-07 17:09
Jim and Rocket,

As suggested, I've read the article again, and more carefully this time. In what way is the BP a "rogue agency (in AOC's words)? According to your own way of thinking, they are doing the bidding of the Administration, so the "rogue" thing to do would be to release them all into the US.

The children are not "in prison." Their living conditions are vastly better than where they came from, or else they would not have been brought here, no?

In another post (different article), I related two stories of my friends, one from Kenya and one from Cuba. Both had to wait a long time for permission to enter, outside the country, while their (legal) asylum plea was processed and adjudicated. Is it fair to let people "jump the line?"
 
 
+2 # suzyskier 2019-07-08 13:24
How do you their living conditions are better in these concentration camps than before? At least before they had their parents to hug and love them and no doubt they didn’t sleep in cages on a cement floor! That is such a thoughtless , uncaring comment, unbelievable
 
 
+8 # treerapper 2019-07-07 02:14
How many deaths does a concentration camp make?
https://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/57480-another-asylum-seeker-dies-in-border-patrol-custody

Do you have to be Jewish to use the term? Even though it was originally used to describe what the British did to black South Africans, is only when referring to the Holocaust that the term can be used? The definition "a place in which large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities..." certainly frames conditions on our southern border.

Arguing over semantics is divisive. It plays into the hands of those terrorizing and facilitating the death of asylum seekers and dilutes the atrocities being committed in our name.
 
 
+2 # coberly 2019-07-07 15:53
the british concentration camps in south africa held WHITE prisoners. Boer (Dutch) wives and children. there were deaths.
 
 
+3 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2019-07-07 06:33
jazz -- "The real SS were sadistic, murderous bastards, an elite of evil. America does not have an SS, real or metaphorical."


Yes, America does. They are the special forces. They consciously model themselves on the German SS, though they don't do this in public. Take a look at the design of the headquarters of the Navy Seals on Coronado Island, San Diego.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2007/9/28/391393/-

Google search for Navy Seals Headquarters.

The design of the building only shows conscious intent. They knew what the overhead view of the building would be. The actions of the special operations in their secret missions all over the world is the real meaning of an American SS. Just read the reports from the trial of Eddie Gallagher who was acquitted last week of war crimes. What he did in Afghanistan still stands.

I'm very tired of the hyperbolic Nazi analogies, too. But there are some real ones, only no one in the mass media talks about those.
 
 
0 # jcdav 2019-07-07 08:00
I heartened you approve of the BP's current operations..... rather like the
"good Germans'...eh?
 
 
+4 # suzyskier 2019-07-07 11:52
What makes you think their behavior isn’t sadistic? Laughing about someone dying? Tormenting Children, separating them from their parents? Yes the real SS were sadistic, give these people free reign and see what they will do! They’re already half way there. Trump doesn’t care what they do to Brown Sinned people, obviously they don’t either. This is only the first step.
 
 
+3 # Kootenay Coyote 2019-07-07 13:24
By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you.
Mike Godwin (@sfmnemonic) August 14, 2017

Godwin is the coiner of ‘Godwin’s Law’, which warns against loosely reasoned comparison of current figures to Hitler..
 
 
+7 # sharag 2019-07-06 20:31
The article points out the deteriorating situation within the CBP and the pervasive attitude towards their work and immigrants that, if not checked, will only get worse. We don’t know how bad, until it happens. Still today, Nazi concentration camp guards are being prosecuted (while in their 90’s), for their complicity in mass executions of people they held in captivity. They were all SS. Our current special forces, also have a lot to answer for. They too, left unchecked, are able to commit atrocities with impunity and are unabashed about using symbols of death that are all too well known.
 
 
+5 # dotlady 2019-07-06 20:41
The tone from "the top" is encouraging this culture of violence and racism. With a rational leader (who is white), this could be tamped down, and the Border Patrol agents who are bullies would be less likely to act out, even under stress, because they need a job.
 
 
+6 # tarantilla 2019-07-06 21:56
“Concentration camp” is not necessarily a death camp. There were work camps as and perhaps other types. Maybe someone should consult a historian. The term as used refers to conditions and treatment and seems correct in making a point.
 
 
+8 # littlebird 2019-07-06 21:58
How should we define conditions that we are seeing in the detention centers? If our country can take people who come to us for help and treat them as inhumanely as placing them under a bridge with a fence surrounding them in an enclosure where bird droppings and cars are constantly over them,what do we call it? When little children are taken from their parents and have no one to care for them, except other children, what do we call it? When there are crowded cells with no beds and covers that look like foil to cover people put in cages like animals, what do we call it? I call it inhumane,not thinkable in our country. Why are we allowing this to happen? Who is responsible for it? Why is it getting worse by the day? There are comments in this blog that it should not be compared to the S.S. because we haven't killed anyone yet. How do we know how many will die because of neglect and the treatment they have endured? Why are we learning that aid to the immigrants is being refused by the guards? Where is the Red Cross? Where is other groups to help? Are they not allowed to offer aid? This is a very serious problem that is getting more and more Nazi like because it is abusive and very unlike what America stands for. Are we forgetting what our slogan is on the Statue of Liberty? "Give me your huddled masses, yearning to be
free".

We have the option of protest to Congress, the press and the outrage of our citizens to stop this and restore sanity to our country.
 
 
+4 # janie1893 2019-07-07 00:27
a small FYI! America ran concentration camps during the 1940s. The people incarcerated in those camps were Japanese-Americ ans. The meaning of 'concentration' is the gathering of single units together to form a mass. Please do not skew definitions to suit your own guilts!
Thank you.
 
 
+2 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2019-07-07 17:53
Janie -- yes, indeed. A very good friend of mine from high school had parents who were in the Japanese internment camps during WW II. They were concentration camps in every sense of the word. Indian "Reservations" were also concentration camps. These have played a big part in US history.
 
 
+1 # Dave_s Not Here 2019-07-07 11:51
I see them all the time when I'm riding my bike on "0" Avenue in Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada. I always give them the finger.
 
 
-9 # skylinefirepest 2019-07-07 12:55
Jazzman, you can't talk sense to these rabid leftists...they hate America and cater to socialists and thugs...they hate our police and our military...and now they are doing their level best to destroy America, which is STILL the best country on the face of the earth!
 
 
+2 # suzyskier 2019-07-07 21:11
Skyline fire pest
Why is it you far right wingers always accuse progressives, Democrats-and others to you left of Hating America? We don’t hate this country but what we do hate is what you Right wingers are trying to do to this country. We hate your support for that loose Cannon of a want to be Dictator Trump. We hate how he cheats and lies, we hate how he’s trying to dismantle Social Security, Medicare, Obama Care, Tring to destroy Public Television and Public Radio. I could go on and on but suffice to say the Republican Party has become the Fascist Party, there is no longer a Republican Party. Lest I forget Concentration camps, we haven’t built our first Dachau yet, maybe later.
 
 
-2 # skylinefirepest 2019-07-08 20:55
Suzy, the problem is that he's not trying to do those things you mention. I read a breathless article today about how he was going to allow oil drilling in our National Parks...pure, utter bullhockey! So the left doesn't hate America, huh? Well, the girls said "f trump" in front of the world which is totally embarrassing to the country. You'll do well to recall that these people are here for many reasons...some because they honestly have no option, some because they belong to gangs such as MS13 and come in for no good, some because they are terrorists! Now don't bother telling me I'm crazy because I've seen the evidence, I have been to the border, and I've taken three anti-terrorism classes within a few miles of the border! We have to work together and your comments are divisive...ther e is literally no one on the right that meets your definition of fascist and you have paid no attention to the good that the orangeman has done...such as talking to China and N. Korea...talking friendly while carrying that big stick. Did obumma do that? Hell no, he was too busy giving money to our enemies for NOTHING in return!
 
 
+1 # dbrize 2019-07-07 21:34
Quoting skylinefirepest:
Jazzman, you can't talk sense to these rabid leftists...they hate America and cater to socialists and thugs...they hate our police and our military...and now they are doing their level best to destroy America, which is STILL the best country on the face of the earth!


You are painting with too broad a brush pest. On the left are many sincere, intelligent and honest folks who believe in this nation and what it stands for at its best.

Our current dilemmas require those on the right and left to work together on common goals: end the wars, restore the 4th Amendment and privacy rights, eliminate corporate banking/MIC domination of our economy, rebuild Main Street over Wall Street. This is important common ground and we need to join on the big stuff and agree to disagree on the lesser issues for now.

There is a rabid left, but also a rabid right. Neither of these has our best interests at heart. They work intentionally to divide.

The rabid left is twofold: DNC apparatchiks whose purpose is to demean, deflect and defer discussions off their script.

More insidious is infiltration of progressivism by radical cultural “critical theory” proponents whose desire is not to improve our traditional institutions with reform but to destroy them as bourgeois sentimentalitie s unworthy of continuation. Hence the war against Christianity, western civilization and our own historical figures.

Good will prevail only if good people unite.
 
 
+2 # susanlno 2019-07-07 15:05
"Of course, the CBP is not exterminating people by the millions. And the United States is not a fascist state." Not yet, but that's where we're heading.
 
 
+2 # E-Mon 2019-07-08 15:53
If we allow this to happen then who's next? The parallels to the Nazi SS is a little frightening for those that haven't forgotten history. Dealing with illegal immigration is one thing but it's the outright cruelty in how it's being dealt with that's sickening. This isn't the America I pledged allegiance to in when I was a child. Add to this all the wars of aggression we're waging around the globe and the line between what Hitler did and what "we're" doing is getting stretched pretty damned thin.
 

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