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Abdul-Jabbar writes: "The newest season of the reality show 'Side-eyeing Toward Washington' kicked off this week with the Democrats' Horde of Hopefuls having engaged in two nights of televised scoffing, snarking and Spanglish."

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. (photo: Getty Images)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. (photo: Getty Images)


The Real Loser in the Debates Is You

By Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, The Hollywood Reporter

29 June 19


The THR columnist and NBA great explains why two nights of "televised scoffing" by the Democrats did almost nothing to enlighten the American public.

he newest season of the reality show �Side-eyeing Toward Washington� kicked off this week with the Democrats� Horde of Hopefuls having engaged in two nights of televised scoffing, snarking and Spanglish. While it�s all very entertaining to witness the drama of ambitious politicians jockeying for the last seat in Presidential Musical Chairs, the abilities necessary to be successful in this quiz show format of debate are not the same abilities necessary to be the leader of the free world.

Because of the structure of these debates, the facts become less relevant than the style of delivery. (The candidates have one minute to respond to questions and 30 seconds for follow-ups. No opening statements, but time for closing remarks.) With only one minute to answer questions about complex issues, the goal is to say something tweet-worthy rather than explore the issues in depth. To verbally elbow to the front of the pack.

"I think people should tune in tonight to see who makes a fool of themselves," observed former U.S. Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Miss.) on the Today show Wednesday. The purpose of the debate, she explained, is to get people watching to send in $10 to the campaign. She and Savannah Guthrie, one of the moderators of the debates, went on to discuss performance strategy with no mention of policies. This focus on style over substance isn�t necessarily journalists� fault because the format isn�t conducive to more than hopeful sound bites and sales-pitch promises.

As a screen nation, we voters have come to rely on such funhouse mirror versions of the issues, with truth stretched, compacted and fractured into amusing memes and gifs rather than illuminating discourse. For entertainment purposes only. Trump mastered this pageantry format in his 2016 campaign. The quagmire of immigration issues got reduced to �Build that wall!� And, rather than address the intricacies of his opponents� policies, Trump just chanted, �Lock her up!� or gave them middle school nicknames like �Sleepy Joe.� His idea is that American voters� intellectual capacity is limited to three syllables.

Rather than reject his style as an insult to the voter and a damaging attack on democracy, we�re still embracing the charade as if it has any meaning at all. Who are these debates meant to persuade? A study of NBC/Wall Street Journal polls of the presidential elections from 1992 through 2012, concluded that head-to-head debates had no discernible effect � whoever was ahead in the polls won.

Debates are much like eyewitness testimony in a court case: the least reliable component in reaching an informed decision. If you�re expecting the debates to give you clarity about which candidate to support, you�re part of what�s damaging democracy. The responsibility of every voting citizen is to do their due diligence in vetting candidates by examining not just what they promise but what they�ve done. This requires using journalistic sources that provide unbiased reporting. Sure, it�s a bit of work, but how better to celebrate Independence Day and honor the Founders than to actually do some research on your phone. Our Founders were children of the Age of Enlightenment, which championed rational thinking and the scientific method rather than blindly following an entitled leader�whether a king, queen or despot. The debates are just a justification for laziness, like someone reading Snapple bottle caps to prepare for the SATs.

The day after each debate, most major news outlets publish a �Who Won and Who Lost� article. That just contributes to the problem because it reduces ideas to performance, which is like judging whether Hamlet is a good play based on Gilbert Gottfried�s acting as Hamlet. I like most of these candidates and most of the ideas they offered for bettering the country, though not all are qualified to be president. The only winners are those whose personalities managed to shake loose enough donations to keep their campaign running. Interrupting, insulting or talking over others doesn�t show a forceful person, just rudeness engendered by the circumstances. It�s Battle Royale in a TV studio. It�s Luke P. kneeing a rival�s head on The Bachelorette. The loser is an informed citizenry.

However, there is a way to fix the debates so they become what they should be: an opportunity to rationally assess the candidates based on their knowledge, record, policies, and passions. The first thing we must do is have a panel of qualified logicians present at each debate to post on a giant screen behind the candidates every time they articulate a logical fallacy. Name calling, slippery slope, false dilemma. Being black doesn�t automatically make you a champion for social injustice (see Clarence Thomas and Ben Carson) any more than being a woman makes you a supporter of women�s rights (see Kellyanne Conway and Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey). Perhaps when their flawed logic is pointed out in real time, they will be more careful about what they say.

In addition, fact-checking has to take place in real time as well. The Washington Post does an excellent job of this online during the debates, but the public would be better served if every time a candidate makes a false or misleading claim, the actual facts were brought up on screen for the moderator to challenge them about their statements. This, too, would force candidates to be more accurate with their use of massaged statistics or in exaggerating their achievements.

Yes, it�s fun television. But too much is at stake to devalue this important tool in selecting a president who will set the moral, social and economic course of the country. We can�t just go with our gut when handing out that final rose.

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+64 # guomashi 2016-02-29 14:14
We rush to our doom.

Something is drastically wrong with an educational system that equates war with strength.
 
 
+45 # Merlin 2016-02-29 14:35
 
 
+57 # Anne Frank 2016-02-29 14:41
The problem resides in the monopoly of the warmongers over the media, which enables them to determine the information the people receive, and therefore their fears of the real and imaginary boogeymen the warmongers identify.
 
 
+21 # REDPILLED 2016-02-29 15:30
Effective and affective education DOES address the emotions as well as the intellect.

I write as a retired public secondary school teacher of literature and writing who, for more than 32 years, expected and encouraged my students to get emotionally as well as intellectually involved with the characters, themes, and moral as well as social and political issues we discussed in class, from 7th grade through 12th grade.

This kind of education can be, and IS being, done in thousands of public schools all across the U.S.

All it needs is a supportive school board and community.
 
 
+14 # economagic 2016-02-29 16:17
I couldn't agree more. I retired recently as an economics teacher (don't trust anything any economist tells you, including me), but until about 20 years ago I mostly made my home in various aspects of "STEM." I don't regret any of that time, as it was interesting, useful, and entirely responsible for my livelihood until the past eight years, when it was only partly responsible.

But the one thing I would change if I had a do-over would be to study more of the humanities in the broad sense, but especially the written arts of literature, drama, and poetry, because I think the people who produce works in those fields are the ones with the clearest insights into the human condition -- which is ultimately what it's all about.

As for economics, I'm recommending the graphic narrative, "Economix" (economixcomix. com). The author is NOT an economist but a journalist, self-taught in economics, and he gets it right, as in "how it REALLY works." The book includes an excellent account of how the academic field got to its present hideous state.
 
 
+12 # Douglas Jack 2016-02-29 17:45
Steve Weissman, Good article but Hillary & US militarism Is more than a short term 'political' issue.
AFRICA's RICHEST NATION
Hillary Clinton, "We came, we saw, he died!" for her financing, arming & murder of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi over Libya's universal-medic are (is Bernie next?), education, employment, housing & Africa's highest standard of living. Libya was #1 financier of development-aid & investor in Africa's essential service infrastructure. Hillary's slave to world trillionaire OLIGARCHs who couldn't stomach Muammar's (Jewish mother) implementation of the gold-based African Dinar for all oil & commodity trading.

HIllary's record of approving CARPET-BOMBING of no-Afghani-hija ckers-Afghanist an, no-weapons-of-m ass-destruction -Iraq & her determinative role as Secretary of State of Libya. Hillary's State-departmen t operatives finance, arm & supply foreign mercenaries in Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt etc. because she worships oligarch wealth & Israel 1st.

THE DEEP STATE
Greater-Israel's Oded-Yinon-Plan OYP & its US daughters Project-for-a-N ew-American-Cen tury PNAC & New-World-Order NWO advanced by Netanyahu (supported by Hillary) for these destabilization , arming of our-perceived-e nemy's-enemy, bombing campaigns are clearly scheduled. General Westley Clarke describes being informed of the US role in OYP's taking out 7 countries. http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take-out-7-countries-in-5-years-iraq-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166
 
 
+4 # Radscal 2016-02-29 19:00
Merlin! LTNS.

How are you doing?
 
 
+8 # MsAnnaNOLA 2016-03-01 11:35
Yes! I am sick of the constant war. We can't afford it and neither can the rest of the world we keep bombing. Make Levees, Houses and affordable healthcare instead of War!
 
 
+41 # thekidde 2016-02-29 14:27
Can't wait to see Hill and Bill in uniform carrying assault weapons as they put themselves in harm's way for their country...oh, wait....
 
 
+58 # danireland46 2016-02-29 14:31
HRC, never saw a war she didn't like. Made a mess out of Libya while Sec. of State - now she wants to double down??? look at this woman, she's not presidential. Spend on infrastructure, not the MIC!
 
 
+40 # tedrey 2016-02-29 14:33
Get the word out to anyone in the military or government who might still have a conscience . . . if there's another killing fields shaping up in our name, leak, whistleblow, give the American people a chance to say NO before it's too late!
 
 
+6 # lorenbliss 2016-02-29 22:25
The real danger here is not only a new war but how Hillary will use it to suppress dissent -- including quite probably slandering the Sanders candidacy as "aid and comfort to the enemy."

As to how this might be facilitated, consider 9/11 as the U.S. version of the Reichstag Fire, then think of the impact of another 9/11-type event.

In which context also reflect on the probability what the Democrats are really doing by nominating Hillary -- this given the fact both parties are wholly owned subsidiaries of the One Percent -- is helping usher in overt fascism in the person of Trump, the newest incarnation of der Fuehrer.
 
 
-3 # Caliban 2016-03-02 01:05
I haven't seen any evidence that Clinton and Trump are collaborating to turn the US into the new Nazi Germany. If you have facts to support such an accusation, please state them clearly.
 
 
+37 # jdd 2016-02-29 14:41
The blockbuster NYT article, running more than three entire pages, confirms that Hillary dragged the US into the Libyan war to avoid a perception of weakness and that the resulting bombing campaign turned a modernizing nation into a tragic failed state and a terrorist haven. The Times has given Bernie a gift opportunity. Rather than simply repeating her record on the vote for the Iraq invasion, he can now impune her so-called "experience" as Sec. of State by showing her to be a continuing and incurable warmonger, with callous disregard for human life or "unintended consequences." Will he take advantage, or simply punt, as with the Goldman Sachs transcripts?
 
 
+3 # Hey There 2016-02-29 15:47
The Goldman Sacks leaked transcript was filed under SATIRE.It does look like what she's really thinking.
Read it again and enjoy
 
 
-6 # dquandle 2016-02-29 18:05
He'll punt. His record on support for imperial wars has been almost as bad as hers.
 
 
+29 # Anne Frank 2016-02-29 14:43
She is not satisfied that she turned the most prosperous nation in Africa into a bucket of blood! Her appetite for murder is insatiable.
 
 
+37 # grandlakeguy 2016-02-29 14:50
Why would anyone expect anything different from Hillary the Hawk? She supported Bush's criminal war on the innocent Iraqi populace while millions worldwide were marching in the streets against the impending attack. Meanwhile Bernie Sanders rejected the Bush/Cheney lies and delivered an impassioned speech on the Senate floor against the worst foreign policy debacle in our country's history!
Hillary Clinton will always overcompensate for being a woman
by trying to be tougher than any man out there in foreign policy and military matters.
She is more dangerous than John McCain!
 
 
+16 # jsluka 2016-02-29 15:45
And yet it appears that Hillary WILL be the Democratic presidential candidate. Why do so many people on the left who think of themselves as liberal and progressive - including,unfor tunately, many black and Latino Americans - support Hillary and the status quo? I'm boggled.
 
 
+13 # economagic 2016-02-29 16:19
Don't send your Bernie shirt and mug to the Salvation Army quite yet.
 
 
+14 # angryspittle 2016-02-29 15:37
Send Chelsea to the front lines.......... bitch.
 
 
+10 # jcdav 2016-02-29 15:47
Yes, let THEM put some skin in the game. I'll go again when the chickenhawks and their kin are walking point.
 
 
+5 # dquandle 2016-02-29 18:02
yup!
 
 
-14 # Robbee 2016-02-29 15:39
says - # danireland46 2016-02-29 14:31 HRC never saw a war she didn't like...

unlike rump, crud and rabidio - hill and bernie endorse obama's treaty with iran

GOP candidates all prefer to bomb, bomb, bomb - bomb, bomb, iran, back to the stone age!

dan, you are unable to draw rational distinctions between parties, candidates or warmongers = you lack judgment - so i'm not supporting your bid for comment of the year!

- go bernie!
 
 
+2 # warrior woman 2016-02-29 19:14
Of the candidates, she's the only one with experience in war.
 
 
+10 # reiverpacific 2016-02-29 19:58
Quoting warrior woman:
Of the candidates, she's the only one with experience in war.


Aye -some of which she was the causative element.
So do YOU think the US of Armaments should continue to invade nations in which it's no welcome, thereby making more increasingly fanatical, dedicated enemies?
And do YOU believe in "American exceptionalism"?
Then go ahead a vote for she who represents this self-perpetuati ng war machine!
 
 
+17 # wrknight 2016-02-29 15:46
 
 
+14 # REDPILLED 2016-02-29 15:48
 
 
+8 # Salimlone 2016-02-29 15:49
Steev Weisman undercuts his entire argument with his astounding assertion that the US did not intervene in Syria! It has been arming rebels to overthrow the Assad regime, has prolonged the butchery by insisting it cannot end until Assad departs, and in addition has been bombing ISIS in Syria. Surely Steve knows all that???
 
 
+9 # Clovis 2016-02-29 15:58
I think you misinterpret Weissman's language and irony. He means "intervene" literally, as in "boots on the ground." His implication is that even in proxy wars, Murca still screws things up royally. Of course he knows "we" have intervened.
 
 
+14 # diamondmarge7 2016-02-29 15:52
Hillary Clinton is a MENACE to the civilized world; she ruined Libya, voted for the Iraq War, ruined Hait & Honduras, tried to ruin Ukraine--for all our sakes, ELECT BERNIE SANDERS. I am so sorry, dear BERNERS, that there are so many uninformed Africa Americans here in SC--that THINK HRC is their friend. She's nobody's friend-IMHO she'
s a pathological liar and warmonger. FEEL THE BERN. Please go to www.citizensagainstplutocracy.org and take the pledge: BERNIE or Green. Give our BERNIE leverage @ the July convention!
 
 
+9 # Clovis 2016-02-29 15:59
Good piece from Steve. Killary needs to bite the dust. This sh*t's gotta stop.
 
 
+7 # PABLO DIABLO 2016-02-29 16:09
Gotta keep the war machine well fed so they can continue to buy politicians who vote for war, i.e. Hillary Clinton.
 
 
+10 # Radscal 2016-02-29 16:21
One of the interesting tidbits from HRC's emails is she was coordinating with France in February, 2011 to CAUSE the protests that were sold to us as the "Arab Spring" in Libya.

It's also clear they and we were supplying weapons and training to these "protesters" from day one. JUST like Syria.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/06/libya-gadhafi-french-spies-rebels-support.html#
 
 
+12 # dquandle 2016-02-29 17:58
This is, of course, why she wants to hide the emails form the American public, and why she kept them on a private server to begin with, so she would not have to answer for the deaths and atrocities, and the danger that she put the American people in, which her policies initiated
 
 
+14 # economagic 2016-02-29 16:29
 
 
+16 # Shades of gray matter 2016-02-29 16:57
So far the Clinton emails seem not to reveal her real motives in Libya & Syria. Perhaps we should start with why were the whacky French trying to depose a leader who was HELPING US fight terror? I don't believe the crap about Hillary wanting to save lives. MANY thousands have been murdered since her fake humanitarian intervention. The French & British were ready go it alone, for nefarious reasons, unstated, and the Sec argued that we should jump to the head of that parade. WHY? Gaddafi was displacing French influence in W.Africa. Too bad. Hillary always wanted to run as a WARTIME SECRTARY. She touts her military acievements over her diplomatic ones. Blind ambition. Obama enabled her.
 
 
+12 # Dale 2016-02-29 17:23
 
 
+10 # dquandle 2016-02-29 17:55
Hillary initiated the growth of ISIS in Libya. ISIS would not be there if it were not for her and the policies pushed by her vicious State Department. She is a war criminal and a stunningly stupid war criminal, at that.
 
 
+13 # angelfish 2016-02-29 17:43
Anyone who votes for Hillary must accept the fact that their eligible sons and daughters WILL be used as Cannon Fodder. Give me a Peace-Maker over a War Monger ANY day of the Week! Bernie is more interested in rebuilding this Country and HELPING the people than sending them to disabling injury and death in Libya! I'll stand with Bernie!
 
 
-11 # Robbee 2016-02-29 17:47
 
 
-11 # Robbee 2016-02-29 18:00
whistling in the dark! says - # REDPILLED 2016-02-29 15:48 "There is also Dr. Jill Stein, Green Party candidate, whose platform is even more progressive and sensible than Sanders, but who has no chance at even being allowed into the debates, let alone in the election."

milk producers are gonna hate # REDPILLED!

- stein is a 3rd-party candidate for national office, like nader in 2000 - the only thing a green candidate can accomplish in federal elections is to siphon progressive votes from the dem candidate!

didn't stein run in 2012? how did that work out for greens? greens are like a guy who goes to the frig, takes out the milk, opens the top, smells it's yeck!, spoiled, puts it back, and every four years takes it out again, just to see if it's fresh!

the irony is that stein is a competent candidate - like bernie, she should run for office as mayor, do a good job, run for office as senator or governor, as bernie proved a 3rd party candidate can win, and then and only then, run for prez as a dem! - before she prances around spoiling dem prez candidacies!

the greens' mission is to ruin dem candidacies because they maintain that there is ABSOLUTELY no difference between dems and zomblicans, which only shows inability to judge, lack of critical thought - when you believe in things that you don't understand, you're gonna suffer! - stevie wonder

greens haven't pulled a nader yet, but they won't quit trying! - go bernie! - and, in the general election, go dem!
 
 
-4 # pbbrodie 2016-03-01 10:53
What is with the thumbs down!!!
Robbee, please keep posting these!
 
 
+14 # Archie1954 2016-02-29 19:07
She has proven time and time again that she is a warmonger. She is the female version of Cheney!
 
 
+12 # Billy Bob 2016-02-29 19:16
THIS is the article where we should be hearing from the Hillary-bots. They're so busy worrying about the horse-race they can't be bothered with any details about what the candidates actually stand for.
 
 
+2 # Nominae 2016-03-01 20:21
Quoting Billy Bob:
THIS is the article where we should be hearing from the Hillary-bots. They're so busy worrying about the horse-race they can't be bothered with any details about what the candidates actually stand for.


Way to CALL 'em ! Well observed. The Hillary Trollsters are not here,
of course, because there is *NO* way to defend THIS stuff.

Beyond that, however, they are not PAID to raid the policy pages. They are ONLY paid to sow fear, panic, hate and discontent relative TO the horse race.

Their job is to discourage Sanders supporters EARLY ON, and to get them to support the PRECISE sh*t we see above, but hopefully (on the part of the Trolls) without having the *SLIGHTEST* idea of what we ARE underwriting and personally approving with a vote for Clinton.
 
 
-2 # lewagner 2016-02-29 20:03
Which country are these Middle Eastern wars for the benefit OF?
Are "Bernie" or Trump or ANY of the approved candidates likely to risk offending that country by actually voting to stop funding that country and the wars for its benefit?
 
 
+7 # Billy Bob 2016-02-29 23:19
Not "which country".

Which "INDUSTRY".

hint: oil
 
 
+3 # lfeuille 2016-02-29 23:35
Israel
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2016-02-29 23:46
Israel only gets to play the "stability" card because the oil industry wants a non-Arab nation there as a virtual military base.
 
 
+4 # Douglas Jack 2016-03-01 12:44
Israel is world's #1 arms conduit for US, Canada & NATO manufactured weapons, munitions & security systems to Africa & Middle-east. Israeli oligarch-run corporations & government don't care who they're arming, can-&-do-arm voraciously their very enemies & war-criminals, simply to create hell. When you're arming all your enemies, its easy to provide them dated-technolog y & limited supply. Its called making-a-killin g. 60% of Israel's export economy is based in war-trade.

Greater-Israel's Oded-Yinon-Plan & its US daughters Project-for-a-N ew-American-Cen tury PNAC & New-World-Order NWO are based in massive destabilization through arming foreign mercenaries religious madmen in conjunction with key oligarch-servan ts such as Hillary documented in French media & Hillary's emails. http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/06/libya-gadhafi-french-spies-rebels-support.html#

While it takes all 7 billion of us contributing, in diverse ways to create the world economy, western colonial nations such as US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, NATO & Israel are willing to take the gifts of others, when western main contribution to world economy is hidden ownership, command, control & war.

Westerners are raised in glorification of 'colonial-settl er', our highest ideal, yet we're unable to openly or publicly dialogue through issues in debate or to employ nature's livelihood gifts. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues
 
 
+2 # Nominae 2016-03-02 01:07
Quoting Douglas Jack:
Israel is world's #1 arms conduit for US, Canada & NATO manufactured weapons, munitions & security systems to Africa & Middle-east. Israeli oligarch-run corporations & government don't care who they're arming, can-&-do-arm voraciously their very enemies & war-criminals, simply to create hell....



Damn ! Absolutely the *BEST* post I have seen all week.

KUDOS - Multiple KUDOS, Douglas Jack, thank you for such a highly informative, impeccably analyzed, and deeply well-thought-th rough contribution.
 
 
+8 # Nominae 2016-03-01 06:24
@ lfeuille

@ Billy Bob

Boldly Stated, both.

Unassailably accurate, both.
 
 
+4 # Salus Populi 2016-03-01 13:25
"Lesser of two evils" strategizing *always* leads to greater and greater evil.

We've been fed the same tired line since 1968, when Humphrey, who supported LBJ's serial escalations of the Vietnam-Southea st Asia War Crime right up until a couple of weeks before the election, and who didn't even enter the primaries lest the unpopularity of the war lead to his defeat wherever he contested the peace candidates, presided over the Chicago police riots.

Ever since, we have been given ever-more reactionary and bloodthirsty candidates from both parties, with the exception of George McGovern, who was abandoned by the national party and the corrupt union leadership for being too pacifistic, and then blamed for losing to Nixon, whose dirty tricks were only exposed to get rid of detente.

It is true that the Rethuglicans have always led the way toward genocidal imperialism abroad and police-state fascism at home, but it is also true that the DemocRats have been panting in their wake every election -- and insisting, like Margaret Thatcher did for the UK, that progressives and genuine liberals have no choice but to go along lest the Evil Republicans nominate a Scalia to the Court. Which, you may or may not recall, resulted in every Senate Democrat voting in support of him, as well as of Anthony Kennedy, presented for approval in the last year of Reagan's presidency.

Well, without taking any pledge in re Bernie, I am not about to vote for a blood-dripping war hog. Sorry.
 
 
-3 # Robbee 2016-03-01 16:33
 
 
+2 # Salus Populi 2016-03-01 23:35
Bernie is certainly entitled to his opinion of Hillary, but that doesn't require me to share it.

Some of the same people who now call for unconditionally supporting whomever the Democrats nominate called, likewise, for unconditional support for Obama [or, earlier in the season, for Hillary] in 2008. Those who bothered to research, or who had more than a nodding acquaintance with the history of the last few decades, and thus were less enthusiastic about "change," were pilloried then as now for being purists and the like.

As Noam Chomsky, who incidentally supports electing Democrats on the at least arguable point that minor differences between the parties may, given the immense power of the USan empire, lead to major differences in the lives of those outside our borders, has said, every one of the post war presidents since Nuremberg would, if we as Justice Robert Jackson pledged held ourselves to the standards we invoked in hanging the Nazi high command, have been hanged for crimes against humanity.

I'm afraid that any minor differences that still existed during the Reagan-Bush years have, with the Clintons and Obama, faded to insignificance. Hillary is a warmonger and a neo-con, and has never expressed any regret for the horror show she insisted on inflicting on Libya.

Sanders is also not free of the tentacles of the Zionist state, but at least he is not looking for places to change regimes in, and favoring military action to effect those overthrows.
 

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