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McQuade writes: "It's not just about Trump. We need to know more about Russia and more about Barr."

Robert Mueller. (photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty)
Robert Mueller. (photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty)


10 Questions Congress Should Ask Mueller

By Barbara McQuade, The Daily Beast

28 June 19


It�s not just about Trump. We need to know more about Russia and more about Barr.

ow that two congressional committees have subpoenaed Special Counsel Robert Mueller to testify, what are the key questions for him? Mueller will appear on July 17 to testify before the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees in open and closed sessions. Here are some questions for the committees to ask.

1. What do we need to know to safeguard our elections from Russia in the future?

Mueller�s most important conclusion in his report was that Russia interfered with our election in �sweeping and systematic fashion.� What are the lessons learned about its social media propaganda campaign and hacking operation that we could use to disrupt such efforts in the future?

The report also states, �Victims included U.S. state and local entities, such as state boards of elections (SBOEs), secretaries of state, and county governments, as well as individuals who worked for those entities. The GRU also targeted private technology firms responsible for manufacturing and administering election-related software and hardware, such as voter registration software and electronic polling stations.� Did the attack impact the outcome of the election? What steps should we take to harden our election infrastructure? Classified aspects of the investigation can be addressed during the closed session.

Mueller�s report states that President Trump attempted to have then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions reverse his decision to recuse himself from the investigation and publicly announce that the investigation would focus on future elections only. If Trump had been successful, he would have prevented Mueller from learning about how Russia attacked our presidential election in 2016. What lessons about the attack that would remain unknown if this attempt to obstruct the investigation had been successful?

2. What were the key findings of your investigation?

During his press remarks, Mueller said that his report is his testimony, but it is clear that many people have not read or absorbed the substance of his report. His testimony is an opportunity to inform the public about some of his key findings. Even if he merely highlights some of his factual determinations, his testimony will raise public awareness about hundreds of links between Russia and the Trump campaign and obstructive conduct to conceal them. Attorney General William Barr seized the narrative when he published his own summary of the report three weeks before its public release, and announced that the special counsel found no �collusion� during his public remarks on the day the report was released, parroting Trump�s terminology.

In fact, the report describes troubling incidents of communicating with Wikileaks about the release of stolen email messages, sharing polling data with Russian intelligence, meeting with Russians for the purpose of receiving �information and documents that would incriminate Hillary� Clinton as �part of Russia and its government�s support for Mr. Trump,� among others. Mueller�s description of these events would raise public awareness of these incidents. While these acts may not have amounted to the technical crime of conspiracy, they demonstrate a lack of loyalty to the United States that should trouble every American.

3. How was your investigation impeded?

While Barr has stated that the White House was �fully cooperative with the Special Counsel�s investigation,� Mueller�s report tells a different story about members of the Trump campaign and Trump himself. He wrote that �the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference.� He further noted that some witnesses provided incomplete information, deleted text messages, and used encrypted messaging apps that prevented Mueller from discovery all relevant information. Trump himself refused to sit for an interview. Other witnesses invoked their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination, and while they have a constitutional right to do so, they cannot accurately be described as �fully cooperative.�

4. What were the �gaps� in your investigation?

Mueller wrote that in light of these �identified�gaps,� in the evidence, �the Office�cannot rule�out the�possibility that the unavailable information would�shed additional�light on�(or cast�in�a�new light) the�events described in the report.� Uncooperative witnesses, legal privileges and documents and witnesses located overseas, beyond the reach of grand jury subpoenas, impeded the investigation, according to the report. What questions remain as a result of these gaps in the evidence?

�Did Barr ask you to end the investigation before you thought it was ready?�

For example, the report says that one area that Mueller�s team was unable to fully understand was the sharing of polling data by former campaign chair Paul Manafort to Konstantin Kilimnik, whom the FBI assesses is connected to Russian intelligence. The polling data included information about Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, three states in which Trump won upset victories on election night. Mueller could point the committees toward a path for obtaining information to fill those gaps in his investigation.

5. Why did Mueller not pursue an in-person interview of Trump?

Mueller attempted unsuccessfully to arrange for an interview with Trump for more than a year. He wrote that an interview of Trump was �vital� to his investigation, and �in the interest of the Presidency and the public for an interview to take place.� Trump refused to participate in an interview and instead submitted responses to written questions. Even then, he responded only to questions about conspiracy, refusing to answer questions about obstruction. More than 30 times, Trump responded that he did not recall or remember. Mueller�s report describes these responses as �inadequate,� �incomplete� and �imprecise.� Why did he let Trump off the hook?

6. Did Barr ask you to end the investigation before you thought it was ready?

Mueller investigated for 21 months before Barr became attorney general. Three weeks later, the investigation ended. Barr was Trump�s nominee for attorney general after he fired Sessions and complained that he wanted an attorney general who could protect him. Last year, Barr sent an unsolicited memo to the Department of Justice, expounding a legal theory that a sitting president can never obstruct justice as a matter of law, a theory that Mueller rejected.

Mueller ended his investigation even though 14 investigations remained ongoing, the president was not interviewed, the trial of Roger Stone had not occurred, and grand jury matters involving Stone associate Andrew Miller and an undisclosed foreign entity remained unresolved. Why did he end the investigation without completing those tasks? Were there other tasks he would have liked to have completed?

7. Why did you send a letter to the attorney general stating that his letter �did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office�s work and conclusions.�

Barr�s initial letter stated that �[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.� Barr omitted the first part of that sentence from Mueller�s report, which stated, importantly, �Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts��

What did you have in mind when you wrote the letter to Barr? What aspects of the context, nature, and substance of his work and conclusions did Barr�s letter fail to capture?

With regard to obstruction of justice, Barr�s letter stated that Mueller �leaves it to the Attorney General to determine whether the conduct described in the report constitutes a crime,� and then concluded that it did not. Did Mueller intend to leave it to the attorney general to decide or did he have something else in mind when he said he did not want to �preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct� (that is, impeachment)?

8. You wrote that you were bound by the DOJ opinion that a sitting president cannot be charged, but you sought to �preserve the evidence.� What are all of the purposes for preserving evidence?

Mueller wrote that other individuals could be charged, and, in fact, were charged. He also wrote that a president can be charged after he is no longer in office. Did he also preserve the evidence so that the information could be used by Congress to pursue impeachment?

9. If Trump were not a sitting president, do you believe that the evidence would amount to a crime of obstruction of justice?

Mueller�s report describes ten separate episodes of obstructive conduct. The essential elements of obstruction are an obstructive act, a nexus to an official proceeding, and a corrupt intent. He found �substantial evidence� for each and every element with regard to four of those episodes�directing White House Counsel Don McGahn to fire Mueller, asking McGahn to falsely deny reports about that order and to create a false document consistent with the false denial, asking Corey Lewandowski to direct Sessions to reverse his recusal decision and then limit the investigation to future elections and attempting to influence the testimony of witnesses. Mueller wrote that his report did not �conclude that the President committed a crime,� but �it also does not exonerate him.� Mueller believed that because a sitting president could not be charged, fairness required that he not even accuse Trump of a crime. But 1,000 former federal prosecutors have signed a letter stating that if they had seen this behavior committed by any other person, they could conclude that the crime of obstruction of justice had been committed. Does Mueller agree?

10. Have you seen anything about the predication for the case that causes you to believe that it is necessary to investigate the investigators?

Barr has stated that he believed that �spying� on the Trump campaign occurred, that he has �not gotten answers that are � satisfactory� and that some of the facts that he has learned �don�t hang together with the official explanation of what happened.� Did Mueller see anything in his work to suggest that there is merit to Barr�s criticisms? Was the FISA process abused in any way? To what extent was the Steele dossier relied upon? Was any reliance inappropriate? Has the dossier been discredited or verified?

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+21 # Ray Kondrasuk 2013-01-09 14:43
 
 
+37 # universlman 2013-01-09 16:42
Trying to correct the foolish arguments of people like Inhofe is a waste of time. Better to prepare yourself as if those people don't exist. They will be hard to locate after we cross the tipping point.
 
 
+16 # Smokey 2013-01-09 20:50
[quote name="universlm an"] "Trying to correct the foolish arguments of people like Inhofe is a waste of time."

I agree with you... However: I prefer to use the term "climate change," instead of saying "global warming."

As the climate changes, some areas - for example, the United Kingdom - may actually become colder.

Winters and cold weather won't vanish.
What will happen should be called "climate change." This term will help to reduce confusion.
 
 
+8 # Ray Kondrasuk 2013-01-09 21:21
Smokey, I'm comfortable with 'em all:

Colder climes due to climate change due to global weirding due to global warming.
 
 
+9 # Ken Halt 2013-01-09 22:05
I think "climate chaos" is more descriptive of the extremes that are going to happen until climates stabilize again in a thousand years or so.
 
 
+6 # Nominae 2013-01-10 15:04
@ Ken Halt

Gotta admit that "climate chaos" most accurately presents the reality to non-scientific community ! Good ONE !

And, I gotta wonder why Juan Cole overlooked :

#7 Stop all the corporate welfare to Gigantic Polluters like the petroleum industry which STILL receives an annual SIXTEEN BILLION taxpayer dollars in "incentives" for petro-exploration.

This is why we have more "reserve" than we can possibly burn and still breathe, and the refining side of the "oil bidna" is actually working for it's profit.

Everyone else wants that Corporate Welfare money (grandma can eat discount cat food), and few want to face the actual "free market" in force on the refining side.

If we don't take these monsters off the Welfare Teat, they will NEVER relinquish the death-grip they now enjoy over the global economies. And why WOULD they ? They are being HANDSOMELY rewarded for the absolute WORST of BAD behavior. And this in a time of GLOBAL RECORDS in oil industry profit levels !
 
 
+5 # Kootenay Coyote 2013-01-10 09:57
'Climate Change' was a term introduced by early resisters to the idea of Global Warming. Global Scorching is more like it. Yes, some areas may become colder for a while, but the overall temperature averages are manifestly already rising.
 
 
+11 # Ray Kondrasuk 2013-01-09 21:39
Inhofe isn't foolish, but instead very shrewd.

His science-based arguments (based on "his" science) quickly unravel and disintegrate upon sound scrutiny.

Rather, Inhofe's most compelling persuasion is that the massive coordinated American addressing of rising CO2 levels will mean the largest tax increase in American history and massive job loss if the U.S limits its competitive manufacturing through CO2 curtailment while India and China undercut us with their continued environment-ign oring production.

Inhofe's book, "The Greatest Hoax: How the Global Warming Conspiracy Threatens Your Future" gets a strong majority of rave reviews on the Amazon site. The dissenting minority is scathing about how his religiosity influences his scientific reasoning.

Reading it certainly raised my blood pressure, invoking an imagined very theatrical rebuttal on almost every page, but as the adage goes, "Know thine enemy".
 
 
+19 # VoiceofReason613 2013-01-09 14:52
It is essential that we make saving the planetary environment a central focus for society today.

As president of Jewish Vegetarians of North America, I want to add to the list of things that should be done to avert a climate catastrophe, a major societal shift toward vegan diets is essential. A 2006 UN FAO report, "Livestock's Long Shadow," indicated that animal-based agriculture emits more greenhouse gases (in CO2 equivalents) than all the cars, planes, ships, and all other means of transportation worldwide combined. Other reports indicate even more startling conclusions, largely due to the large amounts of methane emitted by cattle and other animals, since methane is far more potent in heating the atmosphere than CO2.

A shift to plant-based diets would have many additional benefits related to environmental sustainability, improved human health, more efficient use of land, water, energy, and other resources, reduced animal abuses, and educed hunger.
 
 
+2 # handmjones 2013-01-10 07:50
Rice cultivation is a massive source of methane.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379108000760
 
 
+4 # Kootenay Coyote 2013-01-10 09:58
So is beef raising.
 
 
+24 # Sunflower 2013-01-09 14:55
Great set of suggestions. If our bought off
Congress will not pass a Carbon tax, it is
up to we the people to pass a constitutional amendment demanding such a tax.

When you think of it, letting climate change continue unchecked is imposing a
regressive tax on all the people of the world, in the form of higher food prices.

Inaction is not free, as we see in the Billions that Sandy, alone, will cost the US taxpayer. How much will the out of control fires in Australia cost them?

The longer we wait before switching over to clean energy sources, the more expensive the whole process will be and
the more climate devastation will have
occurred. If we wait until all the feedback loops have kicked in, we
may ruin the planet permanently.

What lunacy to spend money on the military when climate change is the
major threat facing us as a species!

Thanks Juan Cole, and let's keep trying
to raise the visibility of this crisis
while there is still time to fix it.

Therefore, time for action NOW!
 
 
-12 # DurangoKid 2013-01-09 14:59
Isn't blaming fossil fuel companies for CO2 emissions a bit like blaming grocery stores for sewage? The problem is systemic and it needs a systemic approach.
 
 
+30 # Jim Rocket 2013-01-09 16:00
Yes and no. Since some of these companies are spending tens, if not hundreds, of millions to convince people that there is nothing of concern with their product they are far from victims of circumstance.
 
 
+11 # Smokey 2013-01-09 21:10
[quote name="DurangoKi d"]"Isn't blaming fossil fuel companies for CO2 emissions a bit like blaming grocery stores for sewage? The problem is systemic and it needs a systemic approach."

Hmmmm.... I don't know what is, exactly, that you're trying to say. However: I certainly agree with you that the climate change problem needs a "systemic approach."

Climate change is a product - one of many - of a global energy system gone crazy. I blame fossil fuel companies for many of the problems. EXAMPLE: Why do fossil fuel companies purchase patent rights for clean energy technology without developing the new technology? (Are the big energy companies trying to protect their fossil fuel investments?)
 
 
+19 # zitzwitz@mac.com 2013-01-09 15:00
For us to do nothing today, will cost us a tremendous amount later. The millions who will be displaced, the human cost and fighting among us, will turn back civilization hundreds of years.
Is it our media, the only one to blame, for not reporting the facts on this subject? Something is, as we seem to be the only country in the world who are so utterly uneducated, clueless and un-interested of this reality.
 
 
+5 # Smokey 2013-01-09 21:21
[quote name="zitzwitz@mac.com"]
"Is it our media, the only one to blame, for not reporting the facts on this subject?"

Blame the wimps in national politics who refused to talk about climate change until Hurricane Sandy arrived. Despite the major problems - droughts, forest fires, etc. - that Americans experienced during the summers of 2012 and 2011.

The big energy companies share some of the blame. And, yes, we need a new generation of environmentalis ts. The Al Gore crowd doesn't know how to move the climate change discussion out of classrooms and into the places where most Americans live and work.

If Gore and his allies were effective, they would have pushed the climate change debate forward during the Democratic primaries and during the Democratic National Convention.

Gore is the only man in America - aside from Obama himself - who could have forced the Democrats to address the climate change issue in important ways during 2011-2012.
 
 
+8 # moafu@yahoo.com 2013-01-09 15:11
ANYBODY CAN SUE ANYBODY ELSE IF THE CLAIM IS LEGITIMATE. YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING THERE !
 
 
+16 # HowardMH 2013-01-09 15:25
 
 
-5 # Ray Kondrasuk 2013-01-09 16:24
HowardMh,

"...As one Idiot Senator said how can there be global warming when we can build a snow man and igloo on the mall in Wash DC, which his kids actually did a couple years ago...."

Get it right, Howard.

"...which his kids actually did"...

GRANDKIDS, Howard, GRANDKIDS!

(See: Inhofe's "The Greatest Hoax", pp. 87-88)
 
 
+5 # Ray Kondrasuk 2013-01-09 22:00
True, Inhofe's grandkids mocked Gore with their igloo.

The media then mocked Inhofe's mocking of Gore.

But I told you he was shrewd.

For his denialist fans, he smoothly paints the media uproar as attacking the innocent play of children and then proceeds.. ...and I must begrudgingly admit, proceeds WELL... to paint the media as fantasizers and deniers of reality.

Just look at his reviews on Amazon...

He IS shrewd.
 
 
+5 # Regina 2013-01-10 09:13
...and extremely dangerous. The wishful thinkers will listen to him rather than to facts and reason.
 
 
+13 # Helen 2013-01-09 18:25
You are right about the stupid politicians, but right now they are what we have. If you believe that democracy can work, don't just sit back and give up. Call them, over and over, and write letters, and sign petitions like the one at signon.org/sign /tax-carbon-now We are the ones who have to make democracy work. Join groups like the Citizens Climate Lobby. Encourage Senator Maria Cantwell who was circulating a bill to tax carbon. We are all in this together.
 
 
+8 # moonrigger 2013-01-09 15:46
Yes, we absolutely need to increase wind, solar, and other renewables, while eliminating coal. Alas, hydro is saturated-no more available rivers (and creating new dams can be disastrous to the environment, while older dams are starting to become eroded--time bombs, especially now that the climate is changing so drastically). Although we are all still freaked out about Fukushima, check out the new modular nuclear reactors, which will be far, far safer than the older ones, should also be part of the equation. They are smaller, more efficient, and only have to be refueled every 5 years. Old reactors should be replaced with this new technology. With a multi-pronged approach, we can then cut back on fossil fuels, and use them sparingly where no other resource will work.
 
 
+2 # Nominae 2013-01-10 19:23
@ moonrigger

GREAT contribution. I'm on board all the way if you can just answer one question. Has *anyone*, I mean ANYONE, yet figured out how to safely dispose of Nuclear WASTE ? If not, the whole nuclear "option" is totally off-the-table. For the SAME reason that it was shut down in the Seventies. More efficient producers of deadly waste are likewise a non-answer, and therefore, a non-starter from the "git-go" as well !

Renewables are the obvious answer, one that we would be pursuing and leading ahead of Germany and Japan who are now "kicking our economic tails" in the safe energy market, were it not for our indentured slavery to the Oil Boyz.

Geothermal, Solar, Wave power, etc., as you observe above, all have great potential and NO danger of "snapping back to bite our children and grandchildren for the endless ages that represent the nuclear half-life of spent Fuel rods.

No one can convince me that, were this country allowed to pursue a "Manhattan Project" (shout-out to the Nuke Fans)
for alternative energy, that this country would not lead the world in no time.

Unfortunately, the Oil Boyz will not even allow that discussion, much less the implementation of such a "Project".

It's a damned good thing that putting a man on the moon didn't involve the use or discovery of alternative energy, or THAT would have been accomplished by some other country as well !

The balance of your post is marvelous. Thank you for your input.
 
 
+17 # Fraenkel.1 2013-01-09 15:46
The Koch brothers hide their nasty characters by giving money to 'good causes". For example they built the dance theater, the Koch Theater, at Lincoln Center in NYC. They support "scientific innovation". Beware.
 
 
+13 # readerz 2013-01-09 16:07
When they tried to debunk global warming, and hired scientists who gathered much more evidence, it was found that there is much greater warming than previously thought. The only positive thing is that those Koch-hired scientists actually published those findings. Of course, all the billionaires laugh all the way to the bank, as they use the arctic for shipping and oil and gas drilling. The right-wing believes in global warming, but they pretend they don't.
 
 
+17 # readerz 2013-01-09 16:04
Somehow, I just can't think today. My husband is now stage 4 cancer. Pollution equals carcinogens; fossil fuels especially. This is going to be a microcosmic catastrophe for our family, but the economic costs of pollution include disease.

So does warming: warmer weather means molds that kill bats who would normally eat insects, and more insects. Rats and mice multiply several times a year in warmer climates: it will bring plagues.

So, add together the increased infections and increased cancers, and, we will be going to hell, and not in a handbasket, but by the boatload.
 
 
+18 # ericlipps 2013-01-09 16:40
The ridiculous Sen. Inhofe doesn't believe evolution is real, either, perhaps because it hasn't happened lately in his family.
 
 
+14 # reiverpacific 2013-01-09 17:44
This stuff was published by the BBC at the weekend but nothing in the US owner media though! It'll probably be brushed under the carpet.
But then, when you've got country with a "Creationist museum" in Kentucky and mega-churches railing against anything but "God's will" with a capitalist press owned by the same six conglomerates that support the Kochs', with many heavily invested in fossil fuel -example, Westinghouse just bought CBS and their CEO's are now the same person, it's looking like an uphill battle, especially with the current congress.
I guess moving back to Scotland makes more sense all the time. Last time I was there, many of what used to be barren moors had sprouted wind farms -and the sheep didn't seem to mind.
They are also re-building railways cut by the Tories and re-planting sustainable forests at a high rate. Makes me proud.
Unfortunately, the USA is so big and the worst polluter in the world (not sure where China stands here but at least they are getting into solar) that it's sins are able to spread beyond it's shores and borders, which is the tragic consequence of industrial and media consolidation both by vertical integration and interlocking directorates.
It's up to the grassroots yet again.
 
 
+6 # Ray Kondrasuk 2013-01-09 18:39
Reiver,

Bill Maher makes an entertaining visit to the Creationist Museum in his film, "Religulous".

Solar works best in California and Arizona, we're told; it's not practical for northern climes. Yet Germany is doing remarkably well in developing its solar power, and if we could slide it directly to the west at its latitude, it would lie north of Minnesota.
 
 
+5 # Ken Halt 2013-01-09 22:09
You don't need sun all the time to make solar practical. In CA, even the foggy areas near the shore are able to utilize solar to advantage. Germany is a case in point.
 
 
+7 # spercepolnes 2013-01-09 22:37
Quoting Ray Kondrasuk:
Reiver,

Bill Maher makes an entertaining visit to the Creationist Museum in his film, "Religulous".

Solar works best in California and Arizona, we're told; it's not practical for northern climes. Yet Germany is doing remarkably well in developing its solar power, and if we could slide it directly to the west at its latitude, it would lie north of Minnesota.
In Australia, they have closed two coal fired stations, and deferred construction of 3 gas fire stations, thanks to the uptake of solar PV rooftop systems.The coal corporates are not happy!
 
 
0 # Nominae 2013-01-10 19:33
@ reiverpacific

I fully enjoy many of your comments. Some very good stuff to be found therein. I note that you frequently "threaten" to go back to Scotland.

As a fellow Celt, we here in the American West (in which I know you yourself reside) have a saying that you may not have heard. It runs along the lines of "Don't *talk* about it, DO it" !

As much as we'd all bemoan your absence, the last I checked, flights to Glasgow were *still* going both ways.
 
 
+7 # reiverpacific 2013-01-09 18:42
 
 
-6 # handmjones 2013-01-10 08:41
The 'Abbos' have been burning the bush annually for about 30,000 years. No worries!
 
 
+2 # reiverpacific 2013-01-10 18:13
Quoting handmjones:
The 'Abbos' have been burning the bush annually for about 30,000 years. No worries!

So did the American Indians -in controlled spells to head off worse major conflagrations but they knew what they were doing being close to the land.
I imagine that the "Abbo's" were the same.
Pity we can't learn from races who have always been wiser in the ways of the planet than we plunderers.
 
 
+5 # 4yourinformation 2013-01-09 18:49
Katrina and Sandy's BIG brothers and sisters are on their way in due time. Better get ready. Get off the coasts, especially the East coast. All the king's horses and men will not be putting Humpty Dumpty back together again.
 
 
+2 # unitedwestand 2013-01-10 01:09
My local ABC station had the report that 2012 was the hottest in recorded history. I listened with great anticipation, thinking they were going to say that perhaps global warming was real and we needed to do something about the burning fossil fuels. NO! Their summation was that scientist believed that it had something to do with normal cyclical geothermic phenomena and that there might be SOME reason to look into the contribution of green house gases, but nothing about getting off of oil and to promote clean, renewable energy.

I could see that the "talking heads" moderators didn't believe what they were made to report, but they earned their salary from big oil.
 
 
0 # skywatcher 2013-01-10 04:05
The thing that trumps everything else in this discussion is geoengineering. Although fossil fuels can't be helping, the greatest threat that each of us faces Every Day is geoengineering and chemtrails (and especially how they are connected [but not limited] to GMO's).

And if you've been previously inclined toward dismissing so-called 'conspiracy theories,' there is now an excellent, science-based documentary available free at youtube, "Why in the World Are They Spraying?" I urge you to watch that immediately--th en follow that by searching for talks from the recent conference "Consciousness Beyond Chemtrails".

We're nearing the tipping point, when this will be exposed, and governments will have to acknowledge what they're doing. ('on your behalf,' will assuredly be the explanation.)
 
 
-14 # FDRva 2013-01-10 04:40
If CO2 is a pollutant then I am the Shah of Iran.

American scientific illiteracy is showing even though we have risen to 24th in the world

The inconvenient truth here is that Wall Street wants to create a "green" financial bubble in carbon futures.

And the dumber among you will support them.
 
 
-10 # FDRva 2013-01-10 08:50
I have yet to meet a man-on-the-stre et who professes to "believe" in the dire effects of 'climate change' who can tell me what causes the change of seasons on planet Earth.

(Hint: It is not carbon dioxide/CO2. And it used to be taught to 3rd graders.)

Talk about an irrational religious belief...

Global Warming 'fundamentalism ,' like 'Creationism' is taught in way too many public schools.
 
 
+2 # Ray Kondrasuk 2013-01-10 09:58
Hi, FDRva a.k.a. Mohammad Reza Pahlavi! And I was thinkin' that you was dead! These last thirty years ain't been so good to yuh, but nice to run in to you on this street!

The third graders (I used to teach 'em) here on the sidewalk with me can quickly tell you that warmth comes from the sun.

That warmth varies locally daily as the earth rotates (diurnality), over the year (seasonality) as the earth tilts ('bout 21 to 24 degrees).

Moving on to 8th-grade science, precession ('bout 20k year cycle) varies the orientation of the axial tilt. Obliquity ('bout 40k) accounts for that 21-24 degree wobble. Eccentricity ('bout 100k) shifts orbit from round to a tiny bit more egg-shaped.

Global Warming "fundamentalism " is rooted in the heat-trapping characteristics of CO2, or rather, in the immutable laws of physics.

Creationism flees from the slightest empirical test.

We're up to 394.39 ppm of CO2, and it's trapping that solar warmth. http://co2now.org/

You still look good in that uniform, Shah!
 
 
0 # FDRva 2013-02-11 04:39
Ray taught 3rd graders a long time ago.

And the Sun causes a lot more 'climate change' than all the SUVs ever built.

A generation ago many spoke of a new Ice Age in the offing. They were likely right. Does Ray remember?
 
 
+1 # handmjones 2013-01-10 10:10
It might also be informative to ask them which is the massively dominant GHG causing 95% of the greenhouse effect.
It would also be informative to ask them if they have examined the curve of temperatures starting in 1900 and tried to correlate the decadal movements with likely human emissions.
 
 
+1 # Ray Kondrasuk 2013-01-10 11:35
handmjones,

Dominant GHG? Easy.

That's water vapor which varies markedly by time and region.

CO2, on the other hand, is consistent in ppm throughout the atmosphere. Reading at Mauna Loa, the Solomons, and in the Aleutians are remarkably close.

And the rising % of CO2 seems to be enough to raise water vapor reading by 4% over the last three decades.
 
 
0 # handmjones 2013-01-10 16:09
Rising temperature increases the CO2 in the atmosphere independent of any rise due to our emissions.
 
 
+1 # Ray Kondrasuk 2013-01-10 18:38
handmjones, that's true... rising temperature increases the outgassing of CO2 from the ocean; rising temperature melts snow cover, decreasing the albedo and allowing the permafrost to thaw more deeply, thus releasing methane; rising temperature increases the atmosphere's carrying capacity of water vapor which is the most powerful of GHG.

True.

And stimulating these increases is the rise in our CO2 emisions.
 
 
0 # handmjones 2013-01-11 21:36
Ray...Read your note again. What water vapour reading? There is no such thing on a Worldwide basis. The published numbers are what they artificially add to the model when CO2 doesn't produce the necessary rise.
 
 
0 # Ray Kondrasuk 2013-01-13 14:57
 
 
+2 # Smokey 2013-01-10 09:16
[quote name="FDRva"]
"The inconvenient truth here is that Wall Street wants to create a "green" financial bubble in carbon futures."

You may be right about Wall Street and the "greening of the economy." I'm very wary of carbon trading schemes.

However: The global energy economy needs a radical overhaul. Climate change is real and it's a big problem that needs to be addressed. And there are a lot of other energy-related problems that need attention.

OCCUPY NOTE: Be wary of any "green scheme" that's eagerly endorsed by Wall Street. Creating more wealth for the wealthy won't solve environmental and economic problems. And be wary, also, of any environmental plan that doesn't address the basic problems of economic injustice.
 
 
+1 # Nominae 2013-01-10 19:45
@ FDRva

Yo ! Shah ! I hate to be the one to break it to you, but this consideration of CO2 has a LOT in common with the presence of WATER in the human environment.

While water *itself* is not a "bad"thing, TOO MUCH water will drown you. *Insufficient* amounts of water will quickly bring about your early demise as well.

See how it's kind of a PROPORTION thing ?

One can think of both water and atmospheric CO2 as the "Goldilocks" proportion. Not enough - bad news. Too much -
bad news. Just enough - "Juuuust RIGHT "

I hope that helps.
 
 
-8 # handmjones 2013-01-10 08:08
This article is predicated on the supposition that because the temperatures are up in the US the World is warming. Despite the US being the centre of the universe this is not necessarily true. For the latest measure of global warming see:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/global-warming-has-stalled-since-1998-uk-met-office/1056899/
 
 
+1 # Ray Kondrasuk 2013-01-10 21:21
 
 
+5 # eugene noel 2013-01-10 08:54
1) Taxing emissions directly, as Cole proposes, would be a lot better than ETS. But even better would be a carbon consumption tax, as Dieter Helm (The Carbon Crunch) recommends, and particularly on imported goods. Such taxation would not only incentivize low carbon consumption in the U.S., but would also give a powerful impulse to the Chinese (higher emissions than the U.S. and about 30% of GDP going to exports) to clean up their act quickly.

2) It's interesting to see that the overwhelming empirical as well as scientific evidence of ongoing catastrophic warming (e.g. Australia at this moment) and extreme weather (Sandy, two months ago) has no influence on the ritual appearance of the denial industry in blog comments.
 
 
-3 # FDRva 2013-01-10 09:20
On advice from my pal, George Soros, I have been buying anything on global stock markets even the least bit 'green.'

But if I know George he was probably selling the junk to me...
 
 
+4 # tapelt 2013-01-10 16:57
7. Plant trees, bamboo, etc. to pull CO2 out of the air.

8. Encourage people to grow their own food at home.

9. Encourage people to insulate and weatherstrip their homes.
 
 
0 # handmjones 2013-01-12 21:29
a few quotes:
Global warming has stalled since 1998, and in the next few years Earth's temperature will not rise as rapidly as feared, UK Met officials have claimed.

Over the next five years temperatures will be 0.43 degrees above the 1971-2000 average, instead of the previously forecast 0.54 degrees -- a 20 per cent reduction, the Met office in UK has confirmed.

This rise would be only slightly higher than the 0.4-degree rise recorded in 1998, an increase which is itself attributed by forecasters to an exceptional weather phenomenon, a media report said.
 
 
0 # handmjones 2013-01-13 14:53
a few quotes:

With all but 0.03 degrees of the increase having occurred by 1998, it means that no further significant increases to the planet's temperature are expected over the next few years.

The figures have been seized on by sceptics of man-made climate change, who claim that global warming has flatlined

despite a large rise in greenhouse emissions in recent decades.

"That the global temperature standstill could continue to at least 2017 would mean a 20-year period of no statistically significant change in global temperatures," Dr David Whitehouse, science adviser to the Global Warming Policy Foundation, said.

"Such a period of no increase will pose fundamental problems for climate models. If the latest Met Office prediction is correct, then it will prove to be a lesson in humility," Whitehouse said.

"Global warming is not 'at a standstill' but does seem to have slowed down since 2000, in comparison to the rapid warming of the world since the 1970s," Dr Richard Allan of the University of Reading said.
 

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