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Medhi Hasan. (photo: NBC/YouTube)
Medhi Hasan. (photo: NBC/YouTube)

Why All the Arguments Against Impeachment Are BS

By Mehdi Hasan, The Intercept

02 June 19


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-96 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2019-06-02 13:51
Hard to imagine a bigger load of BS than this guy pumps out. He never mentioned the "high crimes and misdemeanors" that trump would be charged with. So far, Mueller found nothing. The congressional committees have found nothing. Sure Trump is a loathsome asshole and his orange hair is totally unpresidential. But those are not grounds for impeachment.

This guy is a toad.
+17 # revhen 2019-06-03 07:11
Sorry, your pro-Russia, anti-Mueller (who PROVED Trump obstructed justice) rants are useless garbage.
-5 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2019-06-04 05:15
Maybe Hasan should watch this --
+12 # HarryP 2019-06-03 14:10
Yo, Rodion:

Mueller found that the “Russian military launched a concerted attack on our political system” and that Trump welcomed it. There’s your “high” federal crime.

Trump lucked out when Mueller followed the DOJ ruling that federal criminal law does not apply to a sitting president. It was the fortuitous result of the Agnew case when the DOJ ruled that a veep can be charged with a federal crime, but - splitting the difference - a president cannot be charged. (Mueller thinks it’s in the Constitution. It ain’t.) We made sure we didn’t get a king in 1787, only to add, over time, the king’s exemption. Is this a great country, or what?

Moreover, rather than finding “nothing,” Mueller found 10:cases of obstruction of justice, much of it in plain view. A series of “high crimes.” You must have missed them.

Then there is the campaign violation for which Cohen has been sent to federal prison.

Other than that, there is no reason to impeach Trump. But you already know this. You just can’t get yourself to admit it lest it reflect poorly on Mother Russia.
-7 # Rodion Raskolnikov 2019-06-04 05:23
HP -- "Mueller found that the “Russian military launched a concerted attack on our political system” and that Trump welcomed it. There’s your “high” federal crime."

In fact, Mueller found that Trump did not welcome it. But more than that, Mueller's assertions of a concerted Russian attack are easy to prove false. He asserts three prongs to the supposed attack:

1. hacking DNC and Podesta emails and publishing them on WikiLeaks. This is false. It has been demonstrated conclusively that the emails were not hacked but downloaded from the server to a local drive. There are many witnesses who have told how the leaks were transmitted to WikiLeaks (Craig Murray, for example).

2. Russians offering dirt on Hillary. All of these cases were not Russians but CIA, MI6, Australian or Israeli intelligence. They are the ones who referred to Russians. No Russian made any initial contact with Trump's campaign about dirt of Hillary.

3. The IRA social media adverts. These began in 2012 well before Trump. They were always click bait ads and never were designed to support Trump. The content of the ads did not change from 2012 up to right now. There were a few that dealt with Trump, but that is normal for click bait.

Comey and Rosenstein have said under oath that they were not obstructed or interfered with.

Trump's real high crimes and misdemeanors are his regime change in Venezuela or his continuing the illegal wars of Bush/Obama. I say impeach him for those.
+11 # dickbd 2019-06-02 18:38
One of the things that bothers me is that even if impeachment were successful, Mike Pence takes over.

George Will advised conservatives to vote against the party in 2020 if Trump is still president. That was on the CBS Morning News Sunday show. He was advising even Republicans to vote against Trump as a candidate because he is doing the party so much harm. I don't think he would do the same if Mike Pence were the president.

Pence is just as bad as Trump in regard to policy. He just comes off as more house broken.
+2 # SusanT136 2019-06-05 06:34
It’s unlikely that impeachment will come to full fruition much before the next election, assuming it actually results in Trump being removed from office. Pence would not have much time in office. Then he becomes fruit of the poisoned tree. If the Democrats can successfully bring to light even some of Trumps crimes, including suspected money laundering , fraud and obstruction of justice, everyone except the hardcore kool aide drinkers will be disgusted by anyone associated with the Trump administration.
+8 # SassySam 2019-06-02 22:03
So...obstructio n of justice (ten counts listed in Mueller report), lying to the American electorate and accepting campaign help from a foreign adversary is your idea of "did nothing" ???
+4 # logical1 2019-06-02 22:15
Mehdi is on point in the article but we get nothing out of impeachment until we look back years down the line, to at least say he was impeached.
So, the house democrats sticking together they have the votes to impeach. Maybe a Repblican or two.
Do not make long articles of impeachment.
Just present to the House without discussion, vote, get over it. This will throw it into the senate to die there.
Already too much attention and talk wasting time on the impeachment subject.
Do not expect to get him out of office.
Get on with governing.
+12 # Texas Aggie 2019-06-02 22:25
If by "impeachment" you mean investigate the hell out of everything he's done, then there is no question that impeachment is the way to go. If by "impeachment" you mean charging him with something without a thorough investigation, then it isn't the way to go.

Mr. Mueller has pinned a lot on him, but there isn't enough to get people aroused. You still have a lot of deliberately oblivious people who think that "Mueller found nothing." When something like money laundering for the Russian Mafia turns up, or tax evasion or tapes of conversations with the Kremlin or its agents turn up or any of a number of other criminal acts turn up, then articles of impeachment, i.e., indictments, can be filed.
0 # logical1 2019-06-04 10:38
The Senate will not remove the president from office so impeachment is just a formality.
This is why I say there is not use tying congress up in a prolonged internal struggle stopping governing that needs action and attention.
This is why a short article of impeachment, a quick vote is a way to get over this swift and most effective.
After he is replaced in 2020, let the courts try him for his crimes.
Do not do as Obama did... do not pardon the lying, election tampering, tax dodging guy off the hook.
+5 # dbohj5l 2019-06-03 02:21
Definitely better than I could do off the top of my head but then that is about what this guy seems to be missing- the top of his head or at least the upper parts of his later arguments, the gop was hurt by impeachment: they got pounded, as well as Gore. I'm sure other readers could spot other errors but I have to say I rather believe the president* should have been impeached yesterday. Wilfully participating in a bent election at the start.
+3 # Inspired Citizen 2019-06-03 05:32
Who wants Mike Pence as President? He's worse than Trump.
+2 # johnescher 2019-06-03 19:00
Time frame? Wouldn't happen? Not an argument? Just a neurotic fear, uninspired citizen?
+7 # Dale 2019-06-03 09:57
Dig in and Do It!!!

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