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Boardman writes: "Created with little serious thought in the post-9/11 government panic, ICE was supposed to be a bulwark against the inflated threat of international terrorism."

ICE agents. (photo: Charles Reed/U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement/AP)
ICE agents. (photo: Charles Reed/U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement/AP)


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Call to Get Rid of ICE

ICE Is a State-Sponsored Terrorist Organization - Abolish ICE

By William Boardman, Reader Supported News

01 July 18


ICE has strayed so far from its mission. It�s supposed to be here to keep Americans safe, but what it�s turned into is, frankly, a terrorist organization of its own, that is terrorizing people who are coming to this country.

� Cynthia Nixon, Democrat for Governor of New York, June 21, 2018

CE (US Immigration and Customs Enforcement) is the largest police agency (some 20,000 employees, offices in 50 states and 48 foreign countries) in the Department of Homeland Security. Created with little serious thought in the post-9/11 government panic, ICE was supposed to be a bulwark against the inflated threat of international terrorism. Over the past fifteen years, lacking enough serious criminals to justify its $6 billion budget, ICE has reduced itself (with poisonous political pandering in support) to the horrifying monster we�re finally seeing more clearly, littering the American landscape with caged parents and children, broken families (by choice, not by law), incarcerated innocents, harmless working taxpayers, and disrupted American businesses � a full range of social mayhem chosen by the past several presidents in preference to any humane, decent policy rooted in justice. In 2002, Congress voted to make ICE a national police force with Gestapo-like powers. Corrupt law and corrupt politics have produced corrupt results. What a surprise.

How best to respond to this paramilitary police state operation that mostly produces human carnage (including widespread sexual abuse of detainees since 2010)? How best to end the chronic violation of human rights law by this brutal regime that denies asylum to the persecuted and sends them back to suffer or die? The current movement to abolish ICE began last winter with a piece in The Nation magazine, in which Sean McElwee concluded: �It�s time to rein in the greatest threat we face: an unaccountable strike force executing a campaign of ethnic cleansing.� Abolishing ICE is no panacea, but it is a necessary first step to creating immigration policy based on law, compassion, and our own better history.

The political will to reinvent American idealism may or may not emerge in the face of vicious, bipartisan opposition. On June 21, Cynthia Nixon apparently became the first high-profile politician to call ICE by its rightful terrorist name and to call for its abolition. She�s running for Governor of New York against Democratic establishment hope-crusher Andrew Cuomo, who supports ICE. But two days before Nixon spoke out, Cuomo announced his plan for New York to file a multi-agency lawsuit against the Trump administration for �violating the Constitutional rights of thousands of immigrant children and their parents who have been separated at the border.� The treatment of families at the border is only one part of ICE�s assault on human rights, as Cuomo surely knows, as indicated in his apparently ironic comment: �I think ICE should be a bonafide law enforcement organization that prudently and diligently enforces the law.� [emphasis added]

Nixon first spoke out against ICE at the St. Paul and St. Andrew United Methodist Church in New York City. The church has given sanctuary to a 32-year-old Guatemalan mother, Debora Berenice Vasquez, and her two children (both US citizens), after ICE threatened them with deportation. How do these facts square with ICE�s promise: �We vow to continue our mission to protect the United States by promoting homeland security and public safety through the criminal and civil enforcement of federal laws ��? What �homeland security� or �public� is served by taking 13 years to bring a case that robs a mother of her job and freedom while traumatizing her two American children? At the church�s press conference announcing the sanctuary, Nixon said:

Thank you, from the bottom of our hearts, for offering sanctuary to Debora and her children. And thank you for giving us all a place to gather today to stand up with one voice as New Yorkers and say, �No,� and say, �No, not in our name. Not in our name.�

This event didn�t happen in a vacuum. On June 26, New Yorkers voted in their Democratic primary and in one race rejected a member of the House leadership, who carefully supports ICE (he voted to create it) and who doesn�t live in his district, in favor of a 28-year-old Latina whose campaign targeted ICE and the party�s aging, out-of-touch leadership. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez grew up in the district that covers much of the Bronx and Queens. She graduated from Boston University and came home and organized. She was the first to challenge the incumbent in more than a decade. She said of her campaign:

It�s time we acknowledge that not all democrats are the same. That a Democrat who takes corporate money, profits off of foreclosure, doesn�t live here, doesn�t send his kids to our schools, doesn�t drink our water or breathe our air cannot possibly represent us.

She was describing the media-clich� �powerful Democrat,� ten-term congressman Joseph Crowley, crony to Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer and presumed easy winner of the seat to which he was surely entitled, along with his predicted rise to Speaker of the House. The race got little attention until the media and professional politicians woke up �surprised� to find that a former organizer for Bernie Sanders had won the nomination with more than 57% of the vote. Trump and the rest of the right-wing dishonest noise machine are already lying about what Ocasio-Cortez and other Democrats stand for, as Trump called Democrats �now officially the party of impeachment, open borders, abolishing ICE, banning the 2nd Amendment and unbridled socialism.� What Ocasio-Cortez actually said about ICE has had nothing to do with open borders:

Abolishing ICE doesn�t mean get rid of our immigration policy, but what it does mean is to get rid of the draconian enforcement that has happened since 2003 that routinely violates our civil rights, because, frankly, it was designed with that structure in mind.

The day before the primary, June 25, a Democratic candidate for New York Attorney General published an editorial in the Guardian titled: �ICE is a tool of illegality. It must be abolished.� Fordham law professor Zephyr Teachout is challenging at least three other candidates in the September 13 primary for the open office, but the filing deadline doesn�t close the race till July 12. The temporary attorney general, Barbara Underwood, is not running. She replaced AG Eric Schneiderman (also a Democrat) who resigned in May amidst sexual misconduct allegations. Teachout appears to be the only candidate calling for the abolition of ICE, writing in The Guardian:

Let�s be clear: Ice is a fairly recent development. When the George W Bush administration successfully pushed to place immigration enforcement within the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), it transformed decades of past practice where internal immigration policy was conducted by the justice department. The new policy sent a clear and chilling signal: immigrants should be treated as criminals and a national security threat.

The same day as Teachout�s editorial, four current Congress members � Mark Pocan (D-Wis.), Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.), Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) and Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) � said they would support legislation to abolish ICE. Representative Pocan said he would introduce a bill this week (it was not available as of June 28). Pocan explained his motivation in a press release:

During my trip to the southern border, it was clear that ICE, and its actions of hunting down and tearing apart families, has wreaked havoc on far too many people. From conducting raids at garden centers and meatpacking plants, to breaking up families at churches and schools, ICE is tearing apart families and ripping at the moral fabric of our nation. Unfortunately, President Trump and his team of white nationalists, including Stephen Miller, have so misused ICE that the agency can no longer accomplish its goals effectively�.
I�m introducing legislation that would abolish ICE and crack down on the agency�s blanket directive to target and round up individuals and families. The heartless actions of this abused agency do not represent the values of our nation and the U.S. must develop a more humane immigration system, one that treats every person with dignity and respect.

A weeklong barricade of ICE offices in Southwest Portland, Oregon, has been broken up by police. Representative Blumenauer spoke in favor of the protestors at a rally at City Hall. He voted against the creation of ICE in 2002. In support of Pocan�s legislation, Blumenauer wrote:

We should abolish ICE and start over, focusing on our priorities to protect our families and our borders in a humane and thoughtful fashion. Now is the time for immigration reform that ensures people are treated with compassion and respect. Not only because it is the moral thing to do, but it�s better policy and will cost less.

Rational, moral, and humane as these voices are, they still represent only a small minority of Democrats, most of whom have run for cover on the issue. Media coverage tends to treat �abolish ICE� as a trivial issue or at Fox, an offense against the state. Democrats of note appear intimidated by the issue. Bernie Sanders voted against ICE, now doesn�t want to abolish it. Nancy Pelosi voted against ICE, now supports it. In all, 120 Democrats in Congress opposed ICE in 2002, but today only four are on record to abolish it. In 2002, Democratic senators overwhelmingly supported creating ICE in a 90-9 Senate vote. None of the 9 Democrats opposing ICE in 2002 remain in office.

Maybe this is changing, maybe Ocasio-Cortez�s strong victory will be a shock to the all but dead party of Democrats. On June 28 on CNN, New York Democratic senator Kirsten Gillibrand was caught in a high-pitched defense of her failure to respect Ocasio-Cortez as a candidate. The interviewer read a tweet from Ocasio-Cortez, calling out Gillibrand�s lockstep party orthodoxy. Then, on the defensive, Gillibrand suddenly expressed support for abolishing ICE, almost as if she meant it. Now how hard was that? November is coming and Democrats continue to cling to old notions detached from current reality (the Crowley Democrats). Under pressure, Gillibrand took the right position for the moment. For November to be worth celebrating, the party will have to do much better than that. It will have to find a heart and a soul and a brain and apply them all to the criminal atrocities our government commits daily at home and abroad.


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+91 # NanFan 2014-05-26 12:06
Hear, hear, PLEASE, America, HEAR this!

N.
 
 
+14 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2014-05-26 17:49
Many years ago, I asked myself, "does a country constantly at war with other smaller, weaker countries have a corrupt, debasing influence on its own citizens?" And, I found that the answer is in the question.
 
 
+14 # Kit 2014-05-26 13:12
If only we would listen.
 
 
+42 # angelfish 2014-05-26 13:16
Quoting Kit:
If only we would listen.

"We" ARE listening! It's the ones in Washington that are running around with their fingers jammed firmly in their ears, screaming, "I can't hear you"!
 
 
-1 # NAVYVET 2014-05-26 21:46
Canceled
 
 
+58 # Kimc 2014-05-26 13:12
Does that make those of us without guns the ones with the most courage? I see this as a massive campaign to make Americans into cowards, cowering in their homes behind their guns, living in fear of everyone else. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear makes us easy to manipulate -- people in fear will follow any leader who sounds sure and confident and offers security -- real or imagined. We are becoming uncivilized.
So, what do we do about it?
 
 
+8 # theshift 33 2014-05-26 16:07
Start here:

I went ahead and taped a paper on my bathroom mirror in large letters FEAR
Underneath it is written
1. A meaningless world engenders fear
2. I am determined to see
3. I am determined to see things
differently
4. Above all I am determined to peacefully and diligently create a meaningful world despite interferrence.

This may sound goofy and simple but looking at it daily affects the unconscious and enables one to get over
the fear we are intentionally pounded and indoctrinated with everyday. As each individual changes, mass consciousness slowly changes and recovers. Thoughts and the actions behind them(with intent) are things. Similiar to the Hundreth Monkey, a short and interesting read. http://www.wowzone.com/monkey.htm
 
 
-75 # arquebus 2014-05-26 13:27
Before you start claiming a war, perhaps you might want to deal in some facts....like the US murder rate is lower now than in 1960. Or, the fact that murder and mayhem are the least common uses of firearms in this country.
 
 
+16 # shagar 2014-05-26 14:50
and what would be the most common use of firearms?
target practice for the moment a hoodie or a woman you don't like appears? agh what a subtle distinction. i feel much safer knowing that.
 
 
+16 # tingletlc 2014-05-26 15:30
Quoting arquebus:
Before you start claiming a war, perhaps you might want to deal in some facts....like the US murder rate is lower now than in 1960. Or, the fact that murder and mayhem are the least common uses of firearms in this country.


If you have a point, please sharpen it, taking into account that the murder rate is higher now than in 1963, and that in every other year of the war one is claiming, until 2011, the murder rate was even higher, sometimes radically.

Note also that murder and mayhem are the least common uses of nuclear weapons (two occasions); they've mostly been used for demonstration, product improvement, range practice and intimidation. Want one?

You haven't said where your statistics come from, and neither have I. But I'll tell if you will.
 
 
-8 # arquebus 2014-05-26 20:23
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf (scroll down to page 2)

Perhaps you will quibble with the first two, but surely you will accept the findings of the Federal Bureau of Justice Statistics?

While I'm throwing fact out, here is another interesting one. Every year more people are murdered by "personal weapons" (hands and feet) than by long guns (shotguns,rifle s including so-called assault rifles. Ck the FBI UCR for that one.

And, the point is...if you are going to have a debate, you should first know the facts and not rely on someone's fevered imagination.
 
 
0 # skylinefirepest 2014-05-30 22:03
Tingle...Arq is right and you are wrong according to the FBI Uniform Crime Statistics...lo ok them up if you dare.
 
 
+2 # moonrigger 2014-05-28 13:56
Let's talk deaths, not rates:
? 332,014 people DIED from guns between 2000 and 2010. That number is greater than the populations of U.S. cities such as St. Louis, Pittsburgh, and Cincinnati. iii
? 31,328 people died from gun violence in 2010, or roughly 1 every 17 minutes. iv

? A gun in the home makes homicide three times more likely, suicide up to five times as likely, and accidental death four times higher than in non-gun owning homes.

? Access to firearms increases the risk of intimate partner homicide more than 5 times than in instances where there are no weapons, according to a recent study. In addition, abusers who possess guns tend to inflict the most severe abuse on their partners.vi

Gun Violence & Women
? 94% of female murder victims killed by men are killed by a man they knew. In other words,
females are 16 times as likely to be killed by a male acquaintance than by a male stranger. In 2010, 1,017 women, almost three a day, were killed by their intimate partners. viii

? Of females killed by men with a firearm, more than two-thirds were killed by their intimate
partners.ix

? In 2010, 52 percent of female homicide victims killed by men were shot and killed with a gun.
Female intimate partners are more likely to be murdered with a firearm than all other means
combined.x

? Women suffering from domestic violence are eight times more likely to be killed if there are firearms in the home.xi Souurce: www.futureswithoutviolence.org
 
 
0 # skylinefirepest 2014-05-30 22:02
Arq, how ya like them red minuses, my friend?? You cannot talk to the liberal extremists about facts...they don't believe you and won't do the little bit of research to prove that guns save lives. Shagar apparently has no idea that legally owned firearms are used millions of times each year to prevent crime and save lives...but that won't stop him from being anti-gun because it's in the blood of liberalism!!
 
 
+32 # tedrey 2014-05-26 13:33
I know someone who swore off the use of guns long ago. If he hadn't done so, he says, Wayne LaPierre would now be dead.
 
 
+28 # unitedwestand 2014-05-26 13:44
Christopher Martinez, the son and only child of the grief stricken father Richard Martinez is who I'm thinking about today, as well as the thousands and thousands of needless soldiers and innocent people that died in wars that didn't have to be waged. May they all rest in peace.
 
 
-15 # Abigail 2014-05-26 13:55
I don't know what any of you are talking about. Do I live in a shell? I have sons and daughters, all in their late 20s.

IN A SHELL
 
 
+16 # Kimc 2014-05-26 15:09
What do you mean you don't know what any of us are talking about? Do you mean you are unaware of the violent attack in Isla Vista? Are you unaware of the gun debates raging in our culture? Are you not sure how much you would hurt if one of your kids were senselessly murdered by a stranger? What is it you are referring to?
 
 
+14 # seeuingoa 2014-05-26 14:22
America is a stupid, stupid country.

Big fat-asses, greedy and ignorant with
compassion only to themselves.

How can intelligent people live in
and raise their children in such a
stupid country.
 
 
+14 # Kimc 2014-05-26 15:10
We are seriously thinking of leaving. What else can we do?
 
 
+4 # motamanx 2014-05-26 21:51
Smart people (people who are smart enough to want to leave) should stay. If all the smart people left, we'd really be in trouble.
 
 
0 # wolf 2014-05-27 20:46
I'm trying to leave, but the county declared war on me.

I'm hoping to find help with my sailboat, getting it out of here. I'm going to Mexico first.

Anyone want to join me?

sonomacountyiskillingme.org if you are interested...
 
 
0 # skylinefirepest 2014-05-30 22:07
Wow, you're going to Mexico to escape violence in the U.S.??? What are you, crazy or something?? Ya have any idea what the murder rate due to drugs and crime lords is in Mexico?? Was you're comment really serious??
 
 
+1 # moonrigger 2014-05-28 14:32
Tough question. I consider leaving fairly often, but then the change agents would have little support to reach critical mass. It's difficult to fix things as expats.

Also, the thought of leaving behind loved ones and friends seems pretty chicken. Who will stand with them?

I often consider what it must have been like in Germany when the 3rd Reich gained power. The fascist ranks swelled so quickly it became difficult to get out. To think that Germany and Austria were pretty much the center of the intellectual universe, yet were taken over by armed thugs who then tried to conquer the world, and all in less than two decades. Let's see now...how long has it been since these nutjob NRA extremists took over congress? You can see how quickly this happens, and why we need to be active and vigilant now.
 
 
-1 # wolf 2014-05-29 14:34
Two things:
First, my family abandoned me long before social workers and society did; and I lost all of my friends for the same reasons...

And those reasons are the second point: why stand with those who will not stand up for themselves and others? Why do you think it's reasonable to stand to protect those who do not act to protect themselves and who do not even consider for a moment the possibility that everything they understand, because it comes from someone else, might just be wrong?

Do you really want to stand and fight for people who will not stand and fight for themselves?

Would a better option not be to inspire your loved ones to follow you to freedom?

I can't leave alone, a mistake I should have foreseen. But then again, I can't survive alone, so my fate is tied to the hope that someone out there will wake up enough to see what is coming and that my ship is a damn find option for escaping it.
 
 
+7 # margpark 2014-05-26 14:48
"I'm an old time traveling man
And I know just what to do.
I sell guns to the Arabs
and dynamite to the Jews."
I actually know the tune to that ditty and it was in my mind the whole time I was reading the article.
 
 
+9 # NanFan 2014-05-26 15:58
Quoting angelfish:
Quoting Kit:
If only we would listen.

"We" ARE listening! It's the ones in Washington that are running around with their fingers jammed firmly in their ears, screaming, "I can't hear you"!


True...so do not vote for them! Get them OUT!
 
 
+2 # mgwmgw 2014-05-26 18:31
I used to believe that the way to protect people from the danger of guns was to register and license guns, and to make them harder to purchase. What changed my mind about that was a book from the Jews for Preservation of Firearms Ownership. It showed pre-holocaust Nazi gun control laws in German on one page, and the English translation, from American gun control laws, on the facing page. Bullies do not like victims with the power to fight back, and the most effective way to kill the Jews was to disarm them first. It also said who requested the translation and where and when. You can read this yourself:

http://shop.jpfo.org/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=24

While it is certainly true that the top fraction of a per cent wealthy in America encourage the rest of us to fight one another, in order to prevent us from attacking them out of the feeling that our relative poverty is unfair, and while it is certainly true that the police are a) becoming militarized and b) in too many cases behaving as if they can kill and injure as they wish (see

http://www.copblock.org/

for details)

This is not the time to stop fighting.

We might, however, want to rethink who we should fight with, and how, and for or against what.
 
 
0 # moonrigger 2014-05-28 14:55
I think we should go back before the rise of the 3rd Reich, and examine how the Nazis got their proliferation of weapons. All the robber barons knew WWI--the war to end all wars--wasn't really the end, but only the beginning of the boom, forgive my pun. Ford made a fortune selling the tanks they would use against us. As Pierce so aptly put it, big bucks are made by arming BOTH sides. It always cracks me up when I hear the gun dealers whining to their customers about Obama, when you KNOW Obamafear is the best thing that ever happened to their business. Gun sales skyrocket anytime the NRA claims the POTUS is going to take their guns away, or when there's a strike or demonstration against the war or oligarchs. Let's face it, owning a gun or two wouldn't prevent some nut with a bushmaster from taking over my home if he really wanted to, especially if it was by surprise. I mean, were the armed cops in Isla Vista able to stop Rodger on his shooting spree?
 
 
+7 # Nominae 2014-05-26 19:23
Mr. Pierce -

This article is a masterpiece. The argument is impeccable, the writing absolutely fluid and and eloquent.

So perfectly done is this one, and the argument *SO* vitally important for every breathing human to *understand* that this could become the very manifesto that proponents of rational gun control could be pasting up on every cork board, telephone pole, op-ed page and serious website in the country.

Primo, Sir, absolutely Primo.
 
 
+1 # wolf 2014-05-27 20:44
Rational gun control starts with the individual. When I was a child, I was taught one thing: I am responsible for where every single bullet from my gun ends up; whether I shoot it or not, and whether or not I "thought it was a coyote."

Americans don't want to take responsibility. And in failing to take responsibility, they accept the consequences.
 
 
0 # skylinefirepest 2014-05-30 22:10
And what exactly is your idea of further gun control that might stop some of the criminal or mental violence being perpetrated against the law abiding in this, the greatest country on the face of the earth?? Martinez knew his son was a nut case but he did nothing about it and now he hollers for more gun control. Gun control simply does not work...never has and never will. Do you really want the firearms only in the hands of the police and the military???
 
 
+3 # NAVYVET 2014-05-26 22:02
What we need is a brand new Constitution. Let the Republicans, Democrats, Greens, Libertarians, etc. fade away unless they can reinvent themselves to serve the people, which none recently has done. Let's call our party the New Populists. There will be others. We start with a Constitutional Convention based on Occupy, held in a football stadium, open to whoever wants to come. The Constitution must establish public ownership & access to public needs like education, infrastructure, environment, energy needs, communications (e.g. mail & internet) etc. Establish guarantees of town meetings, with elected mayor, term-limited police & juries both selected by lot, and A.I. judges. Guarantee that all citizens over 16 have freedom to speak, write & choose partners. Embrace justice as primary & encourage lawsuits for libel & slander. Disallow that any entity other than human individuals can have any of the rights of human beings. Establish a strict separation between religions & secular government, make government favoring of any religion a crime, and stop any attempt to persecute or deny free association for any purpose, unless the associates injure or exploit other living things or environment. Encourage a pragmatic, flexible economic system where no person may inherit more than a small share of parental wealth, the remainder used in lieu of taxes, worker ownership, unions & short-term corporate charters. You can think of plenty of others. It would be good to share our ideas.
 
 
+4 # xflowers 2014-05-27 01:43
Navyvet, As I was reading your list of what the new constitution might proclaim, I was struck by how much you repeat what our old constitution already did. This leads me to believe that the problem is not with our constitution but with the corruption of its intent. How do we add more checks and balances to prevent such corruption? The answer lies somewhere in the region of money I suspect. When money became free speech, when corporations became people, those Supreme Court pronouncements made that corruption the law of the land.
 
 
+2 # NAVYVET 2014-05-27 13:02
I don't disagree. I'm a retired Medievalist, specialty in the history of dissent & when I had my notes close by I could have shown you reforms that were close to words in our Constitution or even more advanced, going back to the 3rd c. They were expanded in the Middle Ages. Marsiglio of Padua & William of Ockham, excommunicated scholars living in exile in Munich, devised the basis of a democratic republic with women's rights and separation of church and state early in the 14th c--and they worked alone and separately!! Some of their ideas came from far more ancient sources, Aristotle's "Politics" & Socrates. For all we know they were originated by geniuses of the Paleolithic! The beauty of the Middle Ages is that we can actually read and study, for example, Arnold of Brescia's laws (almost a constitution) for his brief democratic, fully enfranchised, share-the-wealt h Roman republic in the 12th century. We have law court & chronicle documentation of the incredibly advanced social democracy with deposed bishops & congregational rule of churches, just a small part of the goals of the English revolt of 1381, and the thrilling Digger manifesto of 1649, Gerrard Winstanley's "The Law of Freedom"--but every so often these great ideas MUST be reworded and renewed. The old words won't do, and our Constitution needs a good overhaul, including voting guarantees and getting rid of all language involving slavery, except to absolutely forbid it. More of your ideas, please?
 
 
+1 # moonrigger 2014-05-28 15:04
Navyvet, I totally agree. It's time for another Constitutional Convention. Times have changed, and our forefathers couldn't have imagined all the terrible weaponry we have today. They did, of course, go through all kinds of grief crafting what we ended up with--and it's too bad the slave owners were able to weight it in their favor with the commerce clause and emphasis on states rights. Now that the extreme right has cherry picked certain clauses in the Bill of Rights and Amendments and pushed their cases through the Supreme Court to get absurd rulings such as Citizens, the whole document is all but unrecognizable. We can't trust the Supremes to fix what's wrong. Instead, we need a new Constitutional Convention where we can hash things out, and to ensure once and for all true separation between church and state. Otherwise, we're doomed.
 
 
0 # skylinefirepest 2014-05-30 22:14
Our forefathers were some of the most intelligent people around back then and they most certainly foresaw the advances in weaponry and would have approved heartily of it!! Don't believe me? Read their writings. Our forefathers would be today what the liberals call "gun nuts".
 
 
0 # arquebus 2014-05-27 14:33
Hmmm. I have a feeling that you don't have any children. If I work all my life and am able to leave my children better off by leaving most of my assets to them then why should I not be able to. If I've built enough assets, maybe they will never have to face the grind of work and will be able to travel,study, teach...any number of things. Seems anti family to me to limit how much a parent can leave to a child.
 
 
0 # moonrigger 2014-05-28 15:13
I guess it all depends on how one earns their money. Most wealth isn't gained in a vacuum, where you yourself come up with the idea, the means of production, the power for running the producstion, etc. Many worker citizens paid for and built the infrastructure that helped make it possible to create this wealth, so our society is owed back some of it so we can keep this going. If we hoard the wealth, there's no way to keep the infrastructure going, because the money gets focused at the top. That's why we're in the crap we're in now.
 
 
+1 # Floe 2014-05-26 22:26
Change is slow. We're in stagnation and have been for years now. While technology strides forward at a rapid clip, we're still doing things the way we did last century. We still drive our fossil fuel cars, we still forfeit our lives at mindless jobs, we're still bonded to "making a living".

What's the next stage after this collective weariness? We haven't really tried to do anything different. I mean really different like developing a huge wave of action and stop paying the banks.
 
 
+1 # RLF 2014-05-27 05:40
We work longer than ever for less. We have forgotten what is important to buy chochkas we're told we just have to have. If we really are the wealthiest country on earth, then we should be seeing some benefits...but I've only seen things get worse and more crowded in the last 50 years.
 
 
0 # robcarter.vn 2014-05-27 03:26
How true 30 Gun Murders a year in UK compared to near 3,000 a year Americans Killed by American murder with gu8ns in USA suicides especially veterans no less shocking.

Shame on American loss of moral values proselytism to kill Islamists to promote just 8 of his 10 commandments. Forgetting "Vengeance is mine: he said Drone yourself and frack the rest yankees.
 
 
-1 # BKnowswhitt 2014-05-27 10:30
Would take a real sociologist to explain why and how societies break down in history. One of those is when a minority group has so much power they out the rest of the group. Seems to be happening here via dollars .. money almost always corrupts ... long as these idiots keep running the asylum .. it will continue .. the likelihood of further failures continues as well ... best thing is a collapse .. which could happen .. or world calamity ..
 
 
-1 # wolf 2014-05-27 20:41
Charles,

That was one of the best articles I've read in a hell of a long time.

You are absolutely right. And guess what? I've had war declared on me by Sonoma County, California; the same county that declared war on a 13 year old latino child with a toy gun - sold by another industry that profits from guns, even if indirectly.

It isn't just the crazy people who have guns, who use them to kill.

I blame my situation (sonomacountyis killingme.org) squarely on President Obama. He is our leader, he is THEIR leader too. And they, our governments, including county governments, look to our president for how to behave. And when Obama wants someone dead, he orders a Seal Team into action, or a drone flown by a CIA-led gamer in the desert of America somewhere.

Our president has skipped the whole due process thing; so why shouldn't the county do the same thing.


Why is this happening? You hit the nail on the head - because it is more profitable for us to be sick, mentally ill, shooting each other, afraid, stupid, ignorant, and wanting to be popular.

Television IS the cause; but not as people imagine (or rather, not as people were told by the television.)

Television is a cultural normalizer. If you don't watch television, you aren't "normal."

I say let's all have a truce, say, on July 10th. I think its appropriate to ask for this,, considering I was born a few days after Bobby died in the kitchen, and a couple months after King bled off that balcony.
 

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