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Palast writes: "Officially, Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes. But a record 75,335 votes were never counted. Most of these votes that went missing were in Detroit and Flint. How do you disappear 75,355 votes? I flew to Michigan to investigate."

Detroit area election workers recount ballots in Detroit. (photo: John Locher/AP)
Detroit area election workers recount ballots in Detroit. (photo: John Locher/AP)


Recount Killed to Cover Up 75,000 Ballots NEVER Counted

By Greg Palast, Reader Supported News

15 December 16

 

fficially, Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes. But a record 75,335 votes were never counted. Most of these votes that went missing were in Detroit and Flint.

How do you disappear 75,355 votes?

I flew to Michigan to investigate.

Thousands of bubbles filled in next to the candidate's name couldn’t be read by the optical scanning machines in Michigan and Wisconsin but a much better machine, the human eyeball, can easily read what the voter intended.

In Trumpville, rural Michigan, their hero, Bill Schuette, the Republican attorney general of Michigan shut down the recount. Schuette issued an order saying that no one would be allowed to look at the ballots in over half the precincts, 59%, in the Detroit area—the very place that most of the votes had gone missing.

Back in Detroit, some of the votes missing resulted when 87 machines, responsible for counting thousands of ballots, broke down. We went to speak with the secretary of state, whose spokesman said the missing votes in Detroit were simply people who waited in line but didn’t want to vote for president.

And so the recount slogged through, uncovering missing votes and missing voters that could change the presidency. So Republicans rushed in to shut down the recount completely. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, here in Michigan—we may be way north of the Mason-Dixon Line, but the elections are still run by Jim Crow. For Democracy Now!, this is Greg Palast.



Greg Palast has been called the "most important investigative reporter of our time - up there with Woodward and Bernstein" (The Guardian). Palast has broken front-page stories for BBC Television Newsnight, The Guardian, The Nation Magazine, Rolling Stone, and Harper's Magazine. He is the author of the New York Times bestsellers Billionaires & Ballot Bandits, Armed Madhouse, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, and the highly acclaimed Vultures' Picnic, named Book of the Year 2012 on BBC Newsnight Review. His books have been translated into two dozen languages. His brand new film of his documentary reports for BBC Newsnight and Democracy Now! is called Vultures and Vote Rustlers.

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+60 # John Puma 2016-12-15 13:56
The question: "How do you disappear 75,355 votes?"

The answer: Let Putin do it, of course!
 
 
-126 # jsluka 2016-12-15 14:13
Good joke John! Putin is responsible for EVERYTHING bad in the whole world. Only a "libtard" would doubt that.
 
 
+31 # Jim at Dr.Democracy on Facebook 2016-12-15 16:01
I think jsluka was making fun of the idea that Putin is responsible for everything. Why our political leaders are pulling out THAT OLD CANARD I cannot say. I guess they have more favorable business plans with China...about whom it might be possible to scare us. While they lust after Russia's oil and natural gas holdings.
 
 
+9 # Philothustra 2016-12-16 16:21
Whose business dealings are you talking about? The new Secretary of State's $500 billion oil deal with Putin? Commerce's Russian investment outfit?
Gen Flynn's "friend of Russia" awards and medals.
Trump and his crime family? The Walton family's box store fortune made of Chinese goods?
 
 
+114 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2016-12-15 17:09
jsluka, YIF...

Your use of the slur "libtard" tells me everything I need to know about you.

Here's a history lesson, cipher: The very concept of America itself was audaciously LIBERAL. The founding fathers were, in the great majority, not just liberals, but the very kind of intellectual liberals you love to mock; some, notably, were even scientists. Remember science? That subject conservative cretins can't abide?

All social progress that's been made in modern times has been driven by liberals, and liberals are spearheading the new-energy technology that troglodyte knuckle-dragger s try to thwart at every turn.

Now, tell me, you self-assessed, ass-hat of a "genius," when in the last 40 years has the Republican Party put the welfare and progress of the common American above the welfare of their corporate overlords? I'll save you the strain on that reptilian brain — it hasn't.
 
 
+20 # Jaax88 2016-12-15 17:57
Other than some of the language I support your comment. Keep it up, blasting jsluke and his ilk and when you care to also self-declared "progressives" here who think nothing of trying to ruin this site
and pushing cockeyed fantasies and pure bunk.
 
 
+33 # Ralph 2016-12-15 18:58
Thanks for that post. I have stopped "debating" alt-right filth on the internet and take some grief because of it. These brainwashed imbeciles don't need debate, they need to be chastised, shunned and mocked.
 
 
-20 # revhen 2016-12-16 12:59
And I find the alt-left just as much "brainwashed imbeciles" and as useless to debate.
 
 
-25 # jdd 2016-12-16 01:44
Actually you are historically incorrect. The founding fathers were revolutionary, proposing in fact a republic when all of Europe was ruled by monarchs. The Hamiltonian economic system was anything but, with a strong central government and state directed credit. Liberals, such as Thomas Jefferson were like todays neo-liberals, proponents of small government and "free trade," such as the TPP and the globalist system and fought Washington and Hamilton on every front. Today we might call them Obama supporters or right-wingers.T he major challenge to the to that system is not "liberal," but rather China's "Belt and Road" development policy which dwarfs the Marshall Plan in size and scope. As for science, in the last 40 years, due to the prevalence of the so-called "green movement" the United States has surrendered its claim to scientific or technological leadership as non-liberal China has taken the lead in space exploration, high-speed train and construction engineering including water managment, and fusion energy/plasma physics R&D. But we'll have windmills!
 
 
+11 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2016-12-16 13:25
Your statement, "The founding fathers were revolutionary, proposing in fact a republic when all of Europe was ruled by monarchs," pretty much screams liberal to me.

Can the repressive China be more liberal in their approach to technology than America? Definitely.

I don't see a connection between the green movement and your claim that America is surrendering its science/technol ogy leadership. If anything the green movement is spurring advancements in new energy even as the conservatives are hellbent to stop them.
 
 
+3 # lfeuille 2016-12-15 21:53
This was irony folks.
 
 
+2 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2016-12-16 13:26
Nope. Irony would be ironic.
 
 
+3 # keenon the truth 2016-12-15 23:09
Some people at RSN are incapable of spotting irony!
 
 
+125 # grandlakeguy 2016-12-15 15:10
The real question is " Why are all the "journalists" ignoring what is going on with our fake elections?
With the exception of Greg Palast and a precious few other dedicated election integrity activists who understand what has been happening over and over since 2000 there seems to be a rule that the scandal that is our election theater must be swept under the rug!
RSN keeps posting articles by progressive journalists saying that we must organize at the local level, take over the Democratic party, do this, do that, etc. etc, etc.
All good strategies but they constantly ignore the most important fact….
AMERICAN ELECTIONS ARE FRAUDULENT!

We can never re-establish democracy in this country as long as the counting of votes is left in the hands of Republican operatives and as long as we allow the despicable disenfranchisem ent of voters BY BOTH PARTIES!
 
 
-38 # Robbee 2016-12-15 17:58
[quote name="grandlake guy"]fake elections!
- i'm waiting for glug to figure out how repugs programmed voting machines to vote hill, then against hill! - neat trick! only glug knows how! - do tell!
 
 
+10 # Ralph 2016-12-15 18:55
I was thinking the election hoopla was causing your bizarre posting. Now I realize that you are nothing more than an abject moron 24/7/365.
 
 
-12 # jdd 2016-12-15 22:02
And you, who are filled with misplaced anger, probably denounce anyone who doesn't want war with Russia as a "hater," or worse.
 
 
-2 # Ralph 2016-12-16 16:08
I couldn't care less what you think. Beat it clown.
 
 
+40 # joeybagofdonuts 2016-12-15 19:25
"...The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”
Quote by Joseph Stalin."
 
 
+8 # RLF 2016-12-16 06:36
Why are the Democrats ignoring what is going on. In traditional manner, the Dems roll over and give the republicans exactly what they want because the Dems are really republicans that don't want to take the blame!
 
 
+65 # Jim at Dr.Democracy on Facebook 2016-12-15 15:58
Oh for Pete's sake. Putin. Who's buying that nonsense?

It should be obvious to anyone who knows how to read by now that our very own government is not operating in the public's interest. It has been so for some time.
 
 
+9 # tm7devils39 2016-12-15 18:44
"Oh for Pete's sake. Putin. Who's buying that nonsense?"...No one with half a usable brain! Putin is way to smart to try anything so stupid. He KNOWS it is not in Russia's self-interest to piss off the Worlds most war-mongering government. In case anyone doesn't know it, the CIA(our black ops gov) is full lying BS and is tying to set up another cold war in order to keep the American people so scared that they can be easily manipulated. If the CIA(and our other government) told me that there were 7 days in a week...I would ask for proof.
 
 
0 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2016-12-16 17:12
Speaking of proof, let's see yours.
 
 
0 # John Puma 2016-12-17 05:28
Ah, the good old "you must prove a negative ploy."

Now that's truly absurd.
 
 
+46 # Vardoz 2016-12-15 17:14
Hide the boxes out back.
I am sure the GOP stole the election. Why else would they stop the recount. And there is much more evidence. Our corporate Oligarchy hates Democracy and has also robbed us of our vote along with every other civil liberty. The only right we have left is our right to shop and a right to own a gun. I guess we also have a right to buy and rent a home and a right to food. In many places like in California many people don't have water and people in Detroit didn't have a right to water. Can you believe it! Here is the richest nation in the history of the world. We have all, one way or the other, have had our freedoms and liberties taken away from us.
 
 
+64 # Art947 2016-12-15 14:32
If these pieces of information are true, then it raises the question of what was the Clinton campaign doing during these important moments in the election cycle. Would the George W. Bush campaign permitted this if he felt that he would get the votes?

This is also troubling from the standpoint of an Attorney General (or even any attorney) who is sworn to be an officer of the Court and to act on behalf of a "lawful" society taking actions which are clearly violations of citizen rights under the Constitution. Why should Schuette NOT be disbarred as a consequence of his actions?

Well, I guess that the Drumpf will become the bastard president of these divided states of America.
 
 
-85 # jdd 2016-12-15 15:03
Palast, your arithmetic is faulty. The Wisconsin recount added votes for Trump. The PA recount was absurd and tossed out on six counts. Even if the "missing votes" in Michigan tilted the state toward HRC (who never even bothered to step foot in it)Trump would still win the electoral college by 290-246.So stop BSing us.
 
 
+96 # grandlakeguy 2016-12-15 15:27
jdd you are SO wrong.

If the so-called recounts were allowed to go forward with actual examination of paper trails the fiction that electronic voting is secure would have been torn to shreds!

Compounding that fact is the tens of thousands of provisional ballots that remain uncounted to this day.

The fact that those State officials so desperately scrambled to block any real recounts or examinations of uncounted ballots is a complete admission of guilt.
They fully knew the the results would be flipped!

Until we restore real elections in our nation we have lost the right to call ourselves a free people, because we most certainly are not.
 
 
+40 # Anonymot 2016-12-15 17:00
We lost that right the day JFK was assassinated and we lost it a bit more with each election since.
 
 
-2 # jdd 2016-12-16 01:14
And yet we are now asked to believe the fairy tales of Putin's election theft by the very people who were complicit in that monstrous act which began America's long nightmare. It was the official acceptance of the lies of the Warren Commission, of which most Americans are skeptical, that made possible the lies of Gulf of Tonkin, 911, Sadam's WMD, and all the rest.
 
 
-24 # jdd 2016-12-15 17:09
What the Obama/Clinton faction is doing is exactly that of what they accused Trump. That is, they are undermining the faith of the voters in their own system. Hillary lost, but not because of Putin. Her arrogance in taking the Rust belt for granted was one thing. But the revolt against the Establishment and globalization (Anglo-American Empire) is not a local phenomenon, as it is occurring in Europe and Asia. Trump won simply because he is a builder (or so he says), he opposed free-trade deals such as the TPP, and he promised an end to the endless wars of the past two administrations . That was enough. Hillary who was properly viewed as an asset of Wall Street,first and foremost boasted of war with Russia. No sane person could support that.And the working class of the Rust Belt, which Hillary would call the "flyover states," did not.
 
 
+33 # grandlakeguy 2016-12-15 17:46
jdd, you talk about "undermining the faith of voters in their own system."
Why would anyone have any faith in our election system?
It is an absolutely dishonest and unreliable scam!

The only ones who seem to have faith in it are all those journalists who refuse (or are not allowed) to expose the fraud that we americans jokingly call elections.
 
 
-4 # jdd 2016-12-15 21:55
You are validating my point. It was just fine when it twice worked for Barack Obama, prompting his wife to state that she was proud to be an American "for the first time" in her life. Now its not and otherwise sane people are hysterically declaring that the American electoral system is controlled by the president of Russia, refusing to deal with the underlying reasons why Hillary Clinton was rejected.
 
 
+2 # Jaax88 2016-12-15 18:23
Promises, Promises, when will you admit trump is a liar.

I believe trump claimed election rigging because he knew along the way that Russia/Putin was try to jigger our presidential election. Thus diverting attention away from his own complicity in not speaking out about what the Russian were doing.
 
 
0 # Patriot 2016-12-16 01:37
Jaax, Putin has more important things to do. He's busy running a nation.

Our elections were thrown by the DNC & state DPs, then by the Repubs. Clinton lost not only to a fraudulent vote count--by the Repubs, a piece of poetic justice if ever there was one, sinch she became the DP candidate by the same mechanism--but also to her own arrogance & stupidity: She ran a very poor campaign & spent most of her time soliciting money from Repubs, and telling us that every woman in thre country would vote for her--although, according to exit polls, darned frew did!
 
 
+6 # lfeuille 2016-12-15 22:01
The only way to get reform is to undermine faith in the system as it is. It won't happen unless the people demand it.
 
 
+3 # RLF 2016-12-16 06:40
And then...what did he do...put in all CEOs and Generals...ha! ha! ha!...take that amerika...he lied about everything in the campaign and then you expected him to do what he said(if you could figure out what that was!). The Cheeto has always been in it for the money.
 
 
-26 # jdd 2016-12-15 17:23
Paul Diamond, a Federal Judge of impeccable credentials, rejected Jill Stein's suit on six different grounds, including lack of standing, In a 31 page opinion he called her contention that Pennsylvania's old voting machines, which like Wisconsin's are not connected to the internet, were hacked, "borders on the irrational."
 
 
+38 # grandlakeguy 2016-12-15 17:44
Just because a voting machine "is not connected to the internet" does not mean it cannot be hacked nor does it mean that the results were not set to predetermined outcome by the owners of that device's "proprietary software".
 
 
-13 # jdd 2016-12-15 22:43
We are now entering the twilight zone where Russian agents have infiltrated every precinct in Pennsylvania. All orchestrated personally by Vladimir Putin.
 
 
+17 # grandlakeguy 2016-12-16 00:41
It is not the Russians that are stealing our elections...it is the Republicans and it is nothing new.
 
 
0 # jdd 2016-12-16 01:06
The Obama administration, victors in 2008 and 2012, has been a continuation of the Bush/Cheney policies of regime change, support for terrorists, drone warfare assassinations, austerity and Wall Street bailouts.
 
 
-6 # jdd 2016-12-16 01:07
That was neither alleged nor proven.
 
 
+12 # Jaax88 2016-12-15 18:32
Ah yes, Paul S. Diamond. A George W. Bush appointment to the federal courts. What do you want to bet Diamond is Republican? He also did not get confirmed on his Bush appointment to the federal 3rd Circuit
 
 
+13 # pro54 2016-12-15 19:48
"a Federal Judge of impeccable credentials,"

What does that mean? Substitute for "God" fearing, or some such BS?
 
 
-6 # jdd 2016-12-15 22:50
No, Brooklyn born Paul Diamond is a graduate of Columbia and the U of Penn Law School and was a Philadelphia A.D.A. before he clerked for Judge Bruce Kaufmann, who was appointed to the Federal Bench by Bill Clinton. But if "God fearing, or some such BS" makes you happy, go with it.
 
 
-8 # jdd 2016-12-15 22:37
Read Judge Diamond's decision. The PA suit was a joke.
 
 
+41 # hectormaria 2016-12-15 16:23
Simply put: Why be afraid of the recount then? JDD implies that Drumph could have possibly improved his numbers or that it mattered not if he lost in Michigan: THE TRUTH ALWAYS MATTER. Again, why did the A.G. stop the recount?
 
 
+18 # Skyelav 2016-12-15 17:39
Hector: probably because he was a trump supporter. The worst of human nature.
 
 
+1 # jdd 2016-12-16 00:26
I was not a Trump supporter, but actually hard core Bernie, for whom I organized, till the bitter end. When Clinton diverted discussion of the content of the Wikileaks revelations regarding the DNC to "the Russians did it," was low enough, and portended the continual neocon theme of her campaign to demonize Putin as the enemy of the nation. But in essence the argument remains that, if only the truth about who Hillary Clinton really is had been hidden from the public, she might have won. However, labeling Trump's voters, or half the electorate, as "the worst of human nature," a good number of whom had supported Bernie, and voted not so much for Trump as against Hillary,shows you have learned nothing from this election.
 
 
+25 # Jim at Dr.Democracy on Facebook 2016-12-15 16:39
jdd... I personally don't think the choice pf President would have made much difference. With Trump we have friends and neighbors taking his BS seriously and are thus legitimately worried; with Clinton a different group of people would have been feeling equally justified in such feelings.

So, the point of ensuring good elections is about ensuring good elections. Not about these two actors.

The US has a terrible record with voting irregularities. Individual voter fraud is waved furiously as an issue, but that doesn't happen more than a few times in a billion votes. We've had computers since the 1940s, but don't even talk about putting them to use in redistricting. We don't permit international observers, but insist on it for other countries. In many states there is no paper trail, so who knows? Many voters have been removed from voter roles because they have a name similar to someone whose rights have been restricted. The TWO political parties make up the nominating rules, and they both stink to high heaven with self serving and corruption.

Gaining a clearer view of some of our voting problems would be the goal of recounts. For those still able to have faith in our terrible political system, it would restore perhaps some trust.

Like most people, I don't think it is healthy to trust people who have betrayed you over and over again. It's just another sign of how thickly corrupt our system is that the recounts were blocked.
 
 
+1 # jdd 2016-12-16 00:47
The difference is that had Hillary won, we would be now on our way to a military confrontation with Russia in Syria. Her demand for a no-fly zone coupled with the Obama policy of arming "moderate"terro rists to bring about "regime change was her first priority to "stand Putin down." Such a conflict would have quickly gone global, threatening the very existence of humanity. Over what? Most Hillary supporters try to evade the issue, citing this or that horrible thing Trump said, even though Hillary repeatedly stated that this would be her first act as president. Under these conditions, to support such a candidate is simply insane. And makes all the difference in the world. Trump's win has given us a reprieve from WWIII, and the possibility of normalizing relations with both Russia and China, without which there cannot be peace in the world.
 
 
+3 # lfeuille 2016-12-15 21:59
That is not the point. Flipping Michigan would illustrate just how corrupted our election system is. Even the MSM couldn't ignore it if that happened.
 
 
+28 # grandlakeguy 2016-12-15 15:36
Art947, the Clinton campaign probably felt compromised in challenging the election theft and manipulation because they were so very guilty of doing the same things during the primaries to stop the nomination of the wildly popular public servant who would today be our President elect if Candidate Clinton had not decided that she must seize the nomination by hook or by crook.

This is a pathetic and sad time for our country.
 
 
+73 # jimmyjames 2016-12-15 14:37
Greg Palast (a true journalist) has been trying to expose the problems with our so-called democratic elections for years. His individual efforts have for years exposed rigged elections nationwide. IF we are ever able to have a true and honest election, we HAVE to fix the system we have which would never pass muster anywhere in the world. This is not a Democratic vs. Republican issue. It is a national issue WHICH MUST BE ADDRESSED!
 
 
+32 # p4136bl 2016-12-15 15:07
More proof that sick immoral republicans (yes, for all you screamers, there are some bad dem's too) are destroying American democracy. The Bush machine did it in 2000 and now Chump's team has done it. Wake up people. The end of US hegemony is near. Violence and suffering will reign supreme in the decades and centuries to come (if we last). History will show the destruction of our society as a result of our greed, violence, and irrationality.
Will we ever evolve out of this?
Chump and his immoral team have the capacity to create so much chaos (yes, there are many other factors.) Perhaps if disease, war and global warming wipe out 80% of us, evolution might help us rise from the ashes in a new more peaceful and productive, self governing way. I see imminent existential threat to humanity. If we can manage long (several centuries) enough to integrate artificial intelligence and robotics into the human being, perhaps we have a chance. Call me chicken little - or whatever soothes your soul.
 
 
+27 # GoGreen! 2016-12-15 15:45
Hey, maybe We can do something now---and I think we NEED to. Climate change can knock out ALL LIFE ON EARTH - not just 80% of the human beings that are causing this threat. And we sure as hell don't need artificial intelligence and robotics to solve our problems. Let's use our brains (free of propaganda)

I think we need to end capitalism which creates endless greed and the impoverishment of 99% of the population. Like the old labor song says, we have to get the bosses off our backs.
These rich bastards own everything and no way are they willing to share---they want it all and them some more. We need some democracy in our nation and the world so that all of us can survive. We can do this without waiting several centuries. We need to get out on the streets NOW and demand change.
 
 
+4 # Patriot 2016-12-16 01:48
GoGreen, with what do you intend to replace capitalism?

For the umpteenth time, the private ownership of production is NOT the problem; it is the failure of our representatives to represent us, instead of the owners of business, and to see that we work in safe places, and buy products that are safe to use and consume, at reasonable prices that achieve for business owners reasonable profits, on which business owners ay a reasonable tax, and that employees receive a reasonable share of the profits of their production.

Inother words, cpaitalism, in and of itself, is not the problem; the lack of REGULATION of capitalism IS the problem.
 
 
+15 # Skyelav 2016-12-15 15:21
Jimmy James said we have to fix the system. Good luck. If it's fixed then elections can no longer be stolen. It's sort of like the stupid filibuster. Archaic but neither side wants to let it go in case they need it.
.
 
 
+39 # grandlakeguy 2016-12-15 15:44
For the crime of accessory to the destruction of our democracy
Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette deserves to be stripped of US citizenship and deported.

That should be the standard punishment for anyone who participates in election theft.
 
 
+7 # Jim at Dr.Democracy on Facebook 2016-12-15 16:14
Here's a thought that has been troubling me. There is no doubt that our elections are not run well. We do not permit international review of our elections. Even without good procedures for ensuring valid elections, the signs of corruption are obvious.

Yet, personally, I don't think Trump, despite his vile mouth, will actually accomplish anything much different the Clinton would have. He might even get us into fewer wars, while insulting perhaps every nation on Earth. He might actually discipline to a modest degree our exorbitant spending on weapons while blathering on and on about our military needing more "greatness." The Rs will "repeal and replace" Obamacare with nearly all of Obamacare in place, but a brand new name. So on and so on with the phoniness...as usual. Only now, the phoniness is right there, out in the open. The phoniness is not nearly as well concealed as the loser Democrats have been doing as they've squandered their popular support with pretty talk, a thumbs-up, and a smile...startin g with Bill Clinton.

So, this is a thought that has been troubling me: I think it might be better for our nation in the longer-term if the monsters at the head look and talk like monsters, rather than being less openly ugly and threatening. It it better for us if monsters look and sound innocent...but then rip our hearts out just the same?
 
 
+37 # grandlakeguy 2016-12-15 16:46
But why do we have to settle for "monsters"?

Bernie Sanders was the first real and honest candidate who actually wanted to better people's lives that we have ever seen.

Absent the obscenity of election theft we would have his inauguration to look forward to on January 20.
Just imagine what his cabinet would look like!

The fact that we always have to pick the lesser of two evils
(and the evils just keep getting worse and worse) is a function of the fact that we do not have real elections.
When a transformative candidate like Bernie Sanders comes along the status quo entrenched corrupt elites swiftly put the election theft mechanism into play to make sure that their gravy train is not derailed. While this is obvious to all who are actually paying attention the worst part is the acceptance of that fraud by so called "progressive" journalists who this year jumped on fake candidate Clinton's bandwagon instead of screaming bloody murder about the illegitimacy of her nomination.

Had there been enough outrage she might have been forced to step aside.

That did not happen because the media, both mainstream AND progressive blindly accepts election theft as the American way.

Shame on every journalist who went along with that assault on democracy. All of them are a BIG part of this problem.
 
 
-9 # ericlipps 2016-12-15 20:09
Quote:
When a transformative candidate like Bernie Sanders comes along the status quo entrenched corrupt elites swiftly put the election theft mechanism into play to make sure that their gravy train is not derailed. While this is obvious to all who are actually paying attention the worst part is the acceptance of that fraud by so called "progressive" journalists who this year jumped on fake candidate Clinton's bandwagon instead of screaming bloody murder about the illegitimacy of her nomination.

Had there been enough outrage she might have been forced to step aside.
Dream on.

Quick question: when was the last time a presidential nominee "stepped aside" in favor of a party rival? When was the first?

Strong-arming Hillary Clinton into handing the nomination over to Bernie Sanders was a pipe dream.
 
 
+21 # HarryH 2016-12-15 16:19
It appears the vote is over for good or bad.

I believe the best chance to keep Trump out the the White House is for Hillary to turn her votes over to Bernie Sanders.

I've been a Republican, a Democrat, an Independent, a Green, and a Democrat again and I think Bernie would have a significantly better better chance of getting the Republican delegate vote than Hillary. Which is what underlies my premise.
Bernie can get the needed electoral votes. Hillary hasn't yet, and time is getting short.

I'd like to here your thoughts on this. Especially Republicans.

Bests,
Harry Hagaman
Hayfork, Ca.
 
 
-2 # ericlipps 2016-12-15 20:12
Quote:
I believe the best chance to keep Trump out of the White House is for Hillary to turn her votes over to Bernie Sanders.
My God, what are you people smoking?

"Turn her votes over to Bernie Sanders"? What would that change, even if it were possible?
 
 
+2 # lfeuille 2016-12-15 22:07
That would be good, but I doubt it's legal. And he would have to pick up 40 or so Trump votes as well.
 
 
+36 # Kootenay Coyote 2016-12-15 16:27
Paper ballots work: the 2016 Us election didn't.
 
 
+28 # Juanbaltimore 2016-12-15 16:41
The major problem isn't vote theft, but voter suppression. Over 800 polling places less in 2016 than in 2012. Strict voter ID laws that require photo ID which many poor people don't have. The stripping of the voter rolls of so-called duplicate voters with similar names that was done by data base by the Kansas official. This doesn't even count the county in rural Alabama that changed their voting place from the mainly Afro-American school to the sheriffs office. Doesn't consider voter disenfranchisem ent, either. All of the above effect poor people, particularly people of color disproportionat ely. Paper ballots are essential, but the big thing in the room is the voter suppression.
 
 
+11 # lfeuille 2016-12-15 22:09
It's both. Purposely not counting votes is vote theft. But voter suppression is most likely a bigger problem. Both should be addressed.
 
 
+11 # Charles3000 2016-12-15 16:45
It is time for everyone to understand that the Nov 8 election really has nothing to do with the constitutional process for election of the President. The words are simple and easy to understand. States appoint electors who elect the president. On Nov 8th we supposedly elected electors but does anyone know who they actually voted for? The electors had already been selected by the state and we are usually never told who they are. The election is a sham, an extra-constitut ional affair and is not mentioned nor assumed in the definition of the process to elect a president.
 
 
-3 # ericlipps 2016-12-15 20:16
I know who the electors voted for: nobody, yet. The electors won't cast their ballots until Dec. 19. Thirty seconds' search on the Net turned up that information.
 
 
+7 # Charles3000 2016-12-15 20:23
Yes, they vote Dec 19th but do you know the electors you voted for on Nov 8th? You probably thought you voted for someone to be president but you didn't. That right is not given to you by the constitution. Only the electors can elect a president and failing, the chore goes to the congress.
 
 
+15 # myungbluth 2016-12-15 16:53
Republicans cheat. They usually do. This year, a new twist. The Republican candidate claimed that Democrats cheat - while the Republicans were cheating - as usual. Republicans cheat because it's the only way they can win! Let's remember once again - Hillary won the popular vote!
 
 
+20 # grandlakeguy 2016-12-15 17:51
Yes Hillary did win the popular vote…
HOWEVER
never forget that she was not the legitimate nominee.

Had she and her cohorts at the DNC not engaged in the same democracy murdering behavior in the primaries as the Republicans deployed in the general election the Democratic Party candidate would have been Bernie Sanders.

And Bernie would have trounced trump!
 
 
+1 # Skyelav 2016-12-15 17:50
Are we really sure HRC won anything? In MIchigan Ann Arbor and Lansing probably would have gone for her but nowhere else much. She didn't even bother to show up there. There are other examples. Ballot box stuffing? I smell a rat. Someone suggested we need to fix the system. Seriously? The shadow government has, since time immemorial ben choosing both candidates to run. The last time a sitting president was not one of them was JFK, this time it's Donald Trump.
 
 
-19 # lnason@umassd.edu 2016-12-15 18:08
The "missing" votes were largely phantoms. In one of the precincts where the ballots were counted, there were six times more votes registered by the machines than there were ballots. An election official explained that this was the result of poll workers putting the real ballot through the scanner multiple times since the poll worker thought the scanner wasn't working.

It appears from this anecdote that the breakdowns in Flint and Detroit (which voted heavily in favor of Ms. Clinton) caused Ms. Clinton to be credited with more votes than she actually received. Like the more thorough recount in Wisconsin, a hand count in Michigan would not change the outcome but would give Mr. Trump additional votes and widen the margin of his win.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
 
 
+7 # Ralph 2016-12-15 20:01
The only thing that would prove/disprove your allegations would be a recount. Now ask yourself, who disqualified these precincts from a recount? Who stopped the recount entirely? Of course you can't answer those simple questions because you are nothing more than a brainwashed, right wing dim wit.
 
 
+4 # Ralph 2016-12-15 19:02
It's truly Kafka-esque that the precincts that showed the most irregularities were disqualified from the recount. That was before the whole recount was cancelled. What a sham this election system is. Last time I waste my time voting. I had a boycott going for years and backed off it because of Sanders. Never again. What a disgrace this nation has become.
 
 
+2 # Charles3000 2016-12-15 19:18
To make the election honest, the electors, not candidates, should be telling us in each state what criteria they will use in electing the president. We could do that and we would not need two political parties. After the electors are voted on and become certified then people who believe they are qualified could "throw their hat in the ring" for consideration. That is the way the constitution defines it and it would "disappear" the political parties and I would say good riddance!
 
 
-8 # Kropotkinesque 2016-12-15 19:42
Palast prevaricates.

1. The non-counted ballots’ number was not near 75,000. And the Michigan election authorities found that Hillary obtained 95% of the whole Detroit vote.

2. The Michigan recount uncovered much double-voting for HILLARY. Were the double-votes frauds? Detroit’s City Clerk Daniel Baxter claimed optical scanners malfunctioned election day. He said that when some ballots were pushed through optical readers, they got stuck, and precinct workers pushed them through again. The double-pushing "accidentally" caused double-counts.

3. (a) Some ballots did not include Presidency votes. An obvious (and not controverted) explanation is that some voters felt no candidate acceptable or that some voters simply filled in ballots negligently. (b) In some precincts, the recorded voter-number did not match the number of ballots sealed in related ballot containers.

Condition (a) was not of magnitude near-great as condition (b).

In some cases of condition (b), ballots were left in a tabulator bin, rather than put in a related sealed container.

Mismatches occurred at about 20 of Detroit's 490 precincts. The involved ballots were transported to the state capital for review estimated to take about 3 weeks from 12 December.

One can view condition (b) as a result of pro-HILLARY fraud. Where a ballot-count was greater than the number of paper ballots in the sealed ballot-containe r, the reason may be that the BALLOT-COUNT was FRAUDULENTLY HIGH to favor HILLARY.
 
 
+1 # Jaax88 2016-12-15 22:12
Sir, do you have any online links you can
post here so we can read for ourselves what your are interpreting?

Interesting moniker. Wasn't the Kropotkin
village some sort of fake or utopian village set in Russia?

If so, maybe you are playing jokes on the readers. :-))
 
 
+5 # Kropotkinesque 2016-12-15 22:53
Peter Kropotkin was a biologist, zoologist, anthropologist. He performed perhaps the first field-study that proved Darwin's theory of evolution.

In Ural Russia, Kropotkin traced the behaviors of a brown squirrel species that ate spruce-cones. Climate-change decimated their spruce-forest habitat. They moved to Siberian larch-forest. Kropotkin followed.

The squirrel society bore a few black-furred specimens. In the spruce-forest, the black squirrels were not healthy as their brown-furred cohorts. But they thrived superbly with larch-cone diet, while the brown-furreds died off and were not replaced by new brown offspring. The population evolved from brown squirrel to black.

But Kropotkin's VITAL gift was his urging humans follow the example of animal species that live at African water holes. Each species survives by mutual aid. Even prey-species provide mutual aid to predators, and predators to prey. Such mutual aid explains how all species survived through changing and harsh conditions.

Kropotkin studied pre-WWI knowledge of primitive humans and pre-humans. He resolved that for humans as for other animals, an essentially anarchistic, mutual aid society offers best welfare.

Kropotikin's anarcho-communi sm would not involve central control (like Marx's communism), but — I expect — empathic order pursued in loose confederation of small communities. THAT is my great dream. (Only a dream.)

"Online links"? Later.
 
 
-1 # Kropotkinesque 2016-12-17 14:14
Jaax88 2016-12-15 22:12

You requested "online links" that support my initial comment's points. This THREE-PART comment will supply the links you requested. I will relate links to the numbers my initial comment assigned to its points. Respecting my point that the non-counted ballots’ number was not near 75,000, the basis is the entirety of my initial comment and all the links this reply-comment will supply.

PART ONE

RE: Point 1 (Hillary’s obtaining 95% of Detroit vote)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/michigan-audit-significant-mismatches-detroit-vote-44152695

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034842/Michigan-recount-finds-voting-flawed-mainly-Clinton-friendly-Detroit-one-voting-machines-recorded-ballots.html

http://www.drudge.com/news/206460/politico-hillary-lost-michigan

CONTINUED WITH PART TWO
 
 
-1 # Kropotkinesque 2016-12-17 14:20
Jaax88 2016-12-15 22:12

PART TWO

RE: Point 2

https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/detroit-votes-counted-up-to-6-times-more-voter-fraud-in-hillary-stronghold-discovered-during-recall-now-you-know-why-crooked-democrats-dont-mind-stopping-the-recount/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/revealed-michigan-recount-uncovers-massive-voter-fraud-detroit-precincts/

RE: Point 3 (a) — The "undervote" matter

http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/michigans_presidential_electio.html

The New York Associated Press asserted that 87,000 Michigan voters cast ballots but did not vote for a presidency candidate. Michigan Secretary of State’s office said the figure was merely an assertion of the NY Associated Press, not a finding of the Secretary of State’s office, and was not credible. See
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/steven-rosenfeld/70005/its-starting-green-party-launches-fundraising-drive-for-presidential-recounts-in-wi-pa-and-mi

Respecting whether the "undervote" resulted from voters’ being repulsed by both major candidates (Clinton & Trump) & either not knowing enough of minor candidates or not caring, see, e.g., http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/michigan-recount-filed-results-2016-law-rules-election-deadline-clinton-trump-hack-russia-fraud-jill-stein-margin/

"Undervote" because of neglect or error? Negligent voters are not uncommon. And many do not fill in vote-choice boxes or make clear vote-choice marks.

CONTINUED WITH PART THREE
 
 
-1 # Kropotkinesque 2016-12-17 14:21
Jaax88 2016-12-15 22:12

PART THREE

RE: Point 3(b)

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-14/mass-detroit-voter-fraud-37-detroit-precincts-tallied-more-ballots-voters

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/michigan-audit-significant-mismatches-detroit-vote-44152695

===

RE: My initial comment’s last paragraph: "One can view condition (b) as a result of pro-HILLARY fraud. Where a ballot-count was greater than the number of paper ballots in the sealed ballot-containe r, the reason may be that the BALLOT-COUNT was FRAUDULENTLY HIGH to favor HILLARY."

See

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-14/mass-detroit-voter-fraud-37-detroit-precincts-tallied-more-ballots-voters

https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/detroit-votes-counted-up-to-6-times-more-voter-fraud-in-hillary-stronghold-discovered-during-recall-now-you-know-why-crooked-democrats-dont-mind-stopping-the-recount/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/revealed-michigan-recount-uncovers-massive-voter-fraud-detroit-precincts/
 
 
-2 # hwmcadoo 2016-12-18 10:11
As Stalin said, "What matters is not the votes, but who counts the votes."

Why is America so powerless in the face of obvious corruption and fraud Involved in the most important thing (at least it used to be) this Country doe?. This includes the losers who worked so hard and spent so much of our money :Gore, Kerry, Sanders, Clinton and even Obama who was elected even after Republicans tried to steal his election but failed. Every election since 2000 (Rove era) has been seriously corrupted by Republicans at the same time they complain and restrict voting because of nonexistent individual voting fraud.

Nothing but a mild wimper, nothing substantive. This apathy freames the disintegration of America allowing the criminals to steal the Country. Our leaders do almost nothing for us, instead spend full time feathering their own nest.

What a Country! One in the last throes of a terminal illness.
 

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