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Reich writes: "Jill Stein is doing America a service. Just 90 minutes before Wisconsin's 5 pm deadline today for filing with the state's Election Commission, she filed her petition for an election recount in Wisconsin."

Robert Reich. (photo: unknown)
Robert Reich. (photo: unknown)


Jill Stein Is Doing America a Service

By Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Facebook Page

26 November 16

 

ill Stein is doing America a service. Just 90 minutes before Wisconsin’s 5 pm deadline today for filing with the state’s Election Commission, she filed her petition for an election recount in Wisconsin. She has standing to seek such a recount because she was on the ballot in Wisconsin, and has raised over $5 million so far to pay for it. She also promises to seek recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan. If the recounts show Hillary Clinton won these three states, Clinton will have secured enough electoral votes to win the election. (Electors officially submit their ballots December 19.)

As I noted yesterday, a group of data experts and election lawyers have urged such a recount in these three states on suspicion that a cyber-attack could have manipulated the results of the election – noting anomalies suggesting that Clinton did more poorly in Wisconsin counties that used voting machines, as opposed to those that relied on paper ballots. (It’s no small irony that if all Stein votes in Wisconsin had gone to Clinton, Clinton would have won the state even without a recount.)

If Stein’s campaign wishes to file recount petitions in the other states as promised, she must do so by Monday to meet Pennsylvania’s deadline, and Wednesday to meet the Nov. 30 deadline in Michigan.

I think we owe Jill Stein our thanks (and our donations to get this recount done as well).

What do you think?


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+70 # ReconFire 2016-11-26 15:53
I think we do owe her thanks, not for Hillary, I don't give a dam about her.
I want Jill to get the 5% the green party needed and expose our fraudulent elections. Go Jill.
 
 
+57 # grandlakeguy 2016-11-26 18:55
What do I think Mr. Reich?
I think that Hillary Clinton has forever disgraced herself and our country by engaging in the blatant and anti democratic theft of the primary contests!
If the Democratic party voters had actually been allowed to choose the nominee then we would not be in this mess today as Bernie Sanders would have demolished the Republicans up and down the ticket as many millions of Democrats, excited about the promise of a better tomorrow, would have flocked to the polls instead of staying at home out of disgust for their party's candidate.
At the same time millions of Republicans came out just to vote against her!

What else do I think?
I think that YOU and all other so-called liberal journalists disgraced yourselves by shamelessly shilling for a thoroughly dishonest candidate who would stoop so low as to engage in the despicable manipulation, disenfranchisem ent and THEFT of elections.

You state above as that "It is no small irony that if all Stein votes in Wisconsin had gone to Clinton, Clinton would have won the state even without a recount."
Do you STILL not get it?
The voters DID NOT WANT HILLARY CLINTON!

Do not blame Jill Stein for the betrayal of the voters perpetrated by the Democratic Party elite for shoving a terrible candidate down our throats against our will!

Blame the DNC and blame yourself and fellow "journalists" for failing to raise bloody hell when the primaries were stolen!

BERNIE SANDERS IS THE RIGHTFUL NEW PRESIDENT ELECT!
 
 
+78 # grandlakeguy 2016-11-26 19:16
And...
THANK YOU JILL STEIN!

And once you expose the corruption in the general election ...
PLEASE...
demand a full investigation of the dirty Dem primaries!
 
 
+59 # LM1959 2016-11-26 23:20
I have to object when someone launches an ad hominem attack in which it is clear that you do not have basic, accurate information. Dr. Robert Reich may be "a liberal," but you are not aware that he is one of the top economists in the world and was President Clinton's Secretary of Labor. I can't imagine that he considers himself a "journalist." This is an opinion piece like most RSN pieces. My opinion is that Robert Reich is correct, and this is informed from a position of having knowledge about Reich and his opinions, expressed throughout the election and before the election. I'd much rather support RSN if the commentary section were more of a dialogue and less of a procession of uninformed trolling responses.
 
 
+37 # BettyFaas 2016-11-27 00:35
LM, One doesn't have to read the comments. I imagine that thousands who visit this site don't necessarily take time to read them. I am just one who does.
One doesn't have to agree with the commenters to appreciate and support RSN. I doubled my small contribution a few months ago. Though I have limited resources, this month I sent some extra...$50 in a month is a lot for this senior, but I feel badly that RSN is struggling for funding! They deserve much more support!!
 
 
-19 # hipocampelo 2016-11-27 00:56
LM1959:Unfortun ately, Robert Reich is a
Mrs Clinton shill, going back to the days
when he knew her well. Unfortunately, not
well enough.
 
 
-14 # jdd 2016-11-27 06:36
Reich = Hillary till the bitter end, perhaps under the delusion that Hillary would continue the policies of her husband. She "ain't no Bill," Robert. Never was. Trump's win has given us a reprieve from war with Russia. Take advantage, we need your support to restore Glass-Steagall now.
 
 
+9 # ericlipps 2016-11-27 10:20
Quoting jdd:
Reich = Hillary till the bitter end, perhaps under the delusion that Hillary would continue the policies of her husband. She "ain't no Bill," Robert. Never was. Trump's win has given us a reprieve from war with Russia. Take advantage, we need your support to restore Glass-Steagall now.

What makes you think that billionaire Trump will support a new Glass-Steagall, Just because At Least He's Not Hillary?
 
 
+5 # lfeuille 2016-11-27 17:34
He once said he would. But who knows.
 
 
+9 # E.V.Debs 2016-11-27 07:28
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-robert-reich-endorsement-219892

Our problem is low information voters. See if you can find one. Try looking in the mirror.
 
 
+3 # grandlakeguy 2016-11-27 01:34
LM1959:
I fully know who Robert Reich is and his record. As Bill Clinton's Secretary of Labor he assisted in the crafting of foreign trade agreements that destroyed thousands of factories and businesses nationwide as millions of jobs were shipped overseas.
Once those jobs were gone and so many former middle class workers became unemployed he remained in that administration as President Clinton engaged in "welfare reform" thereby shredding the safety net for millions.

Since the moment that the Clintons derailed the juggernaut of progressive change (Bernie Sanders) last summer Mr. Reich has become Hillary Clinton's most prolific shill.
 
 
+52 # tomr 2016-11-26 23:24
grandlakeguy, I wanted Bernie MUCH more too. But your statement that the voters did not want Hillary is obviously wrong. She won the popular vote. Given the choices before us, the voters chose her. Shit sandwich or Giant Douche? They chose one. I'm not sure which was which, in this case. Of course, because the system IS rigged, the loser won.
 
 
+37 # lfeuille 2016-11-26 23:41
They didn't choose her. They just wanted Trump less. Very few really wanted Hillary, but they were force to make an impossible choice between 2 candidates who should never have made it out of the primaries.
 
 
-1 # ericlipps 2016-11-27 10:23
Quoting lfeuille:
They didn't choose her. They just wanted Trump less. Very few really wanted Hillary, but they were force to make an impossible choice between 2 candidates who should never have made it out of the primaries.

You have evidence o support your claim that "very few" voters "actually wanted Hillary"?

True, she wasn't a Jesus figure to her supporters as Bernie Sanders was to his, but that didn't mean that all but a handful of those who voted for her didn't really want to.
 
 
+11 # lfeuille 2016-11-27 17:36
She lost enough Obama voters to lose the election. Interviews with voters pre-election showed a distinct lack of enthusiasm.
 
 
-2 # candida 2016-11-28 21:11
Quoting lfeuille:
She lost enough Obama voters to lose the election. Interviews with voters pre-election showed a distinct lack of enthusiasm.


Compare the number of votes suppressed (mostly people of color = Democrats) with the margin of victory in key battleground states. Greg Palast has (RSN article), and Clinton comes out ahead both electorally and popularly. With voter suppression, you can have unlimited enthusiasm and still lose the election. Obama overcame even less voter suppression due to the great enthusiasm and organizing. Trump and the Republican propaganda machine (see Intercept article on RSN) learned from this (forget The Republican's post-2012 election Autopsy) overcame the enthusiasm gap for their candidate(s) by confusing the electorate and dampening enthusiasm for the Dem candidate. Clinton's record and mistakes were no worse than any previous Dem candidate, whose own records were not great, by any means. But Republicans were able to capitalize and cut in at the fringes, as evidenced on this site.
 
 
0 # pegasus4508 2016-11-27 17:52
Actually, the MATH says she has received 2 million more votes. In simplest terms, 2 million MORE Americans wanted Clinton as opposed to trump, Stein or Johnson. Add those voters to Clinton's total and you have a minority president. Period.
 
 
+28 # grandlakeguy 2016-11-27 01:38
tomr, yes she won the popular vote with the lowest number of voters in many years.
The point is that so many of those voting for Hillary were in reality voting against Trump.
At the same time so many of those voting for Trump were in fact voting against Hillary.
We should never have to make those kinds of choices!
 
 
-7 # ericlipps 2016-11-27 10:24
And so many of those who voted for Bernie were really voting against Hillary and hoped that St. Bernard of Brooklyn would save them from her. And MY evidence is nicely provided by comments on this site.
 
 
+21 # lfeuille 2016-11-27 17:39
Wrong. Bernie voters voted for him because they liked his ideas and his record.
 
 
+13 # wrknight 2016-11-27 10:43
It's unfortunate that Americans were forced to vote against what they perceived as the greater of two evils (the two evils being almost equal in this case). That's not how the system is supposed to work. The system is supposed to allow us to vote for the best of the best, but money has corrupted it. Clearly, we have to restrict the flow of money in our elections which means overturning Citizens United, depriving corporations of citizenship and limiting cash contributions.

Now the problem is, that only Congress can do these things. And since the current Congress won't do these things, we stand little chance of fixing the problem this term. And since Americans re-elect the same people to Congress who have been robbing us blind year after year after year, the prospects for the future don't look good.
 
 
-3 # candida 2016-11-28 21:26
Quoting wrknight:
It's unfortunate that Americans were forced to vote against what they perceived as the greater of two evils (the two evils being almost equal in this case).


I agree with all you said except "the two evils being almost equal." That belief is the greatest evil this election produced along with the Republicans elected.
 
 
+5 # pegasus4508 2016-11-27 17:55
You are 100% wrong. Those voting for trump wanted TRUMP. She won the popular vote. Are you saying that it doesn't matter that the minority of voters have elected a president who cannot read or comprehend. Sarah Palin for Secretary of the Interior? I wonder if they will have to hire actual linguists to explain both written and verbal English.
 
 
0 # candida 2016-11-28 21:23
Quoting grandlakeguy:
We should never have to make those kinds of choices!


No, we should not. But grow up. When are there ever any other kind of choices? For the many presidential elections in which I have voted, it is ALWAYS a choice of the lesser evil (or a sure loser, like the Greens). That's the result of the rules of our elections until we can change them.

btw, is that the Grand Lake Theatre in Oakland? If so, you scored a thumbs up just for that.
 
 
+1 # dyannne 2016-11-26 23:54
You are so unrealistic. Get over it. We are where we are and we need to make sure Rump does not take office if we can help it. Keep on holding grudges to the country's detriment. Such a patriot you are NOT.
 
 
-35 # Thomas0008 2016-11-27 00:45
If, bernie were fit to be the president elect, he wouldn't have turned tail and presented his ass, to be reamed, by the DNC and clinton. Bernie has NO EXCUSE, for not fighting the stealing of the primary, and that makes him COMPLICIT, in clintons crimes. De Nile, (of this fact), is NOT, a river in Egypt !!!
 
 
-4 # Thomas0008 2016-11-27 03:11
c'mon you duffers. I gotta get more than a measly -9 for telling youz folk the Truth... It rates at least a minus 100
 
 
+8 # Jaax88 2016-11-27 00:57
glg:
Do you actually have any proof of Hillary's complicity? Or are just blowing off your anger and frustration or blowing smoke?
 
 
+2 # Patriot 2016-11-27 01:09
Since Clinto could't even raise a respectable crowd for her primary rallies, how esle to explain her "win"--especial ly when compared to the exit polls? She didn't have to have her hand in the till to know it was being robbed.

Read https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/04/13/17564/, among many, manyother investigations: All came to the ame conclusion.
 
 
-6 # Caliban 2016-11-27 01:47
Accusations are easy; proof is hard. There is no proof that HRC stole the nomination -- just lame accusations.
 
 
+7 # E.V.Debs 2016-11-27 07:37
I've just run the fingerprints on the thieves: Debbie Doberman Schultz's are all over it. Luis Miranda, Mark Paustenbach, Amy Dacey, Brad Marshall: Those crime partners were on it also.
 
 
+6 # wrknight 2016-11-27 18:20
Technically, you are right. You can't steal what is given to you and Hillary didn't steal the nomination, the DNC gave it to her. In fact, they promised it to her back in '08 when she lost to Obama. The promise made then was "it will be your turn next, Hillary".
 
 
-16 # Thomas0008 2016-11-27 01:19
ehJaax88, if you are gonna come in here and pass gas, please have mercy on the
rest of us and take an antacid...
 
 
+4 # Caliban 2016-11-27 01:31
The majority of the voters did indeed want Hillary Clinton to be President of the USA.

The numbers clearly say so.
 
 
+7 # sean1303 2016-11-27 03:32
There wasn't ANYONE that a majority of voters chose to be president, among the general election choices. Many didn't even vote.
 
 
+7 # E.V.Debs 2016-11-27 07:38
Almost half didn't vote, actually. In Wisconsin, there was a huge number of voters who didn't vote for any of the Gang of Four.
 
 
+5 # lfeuille 2016-11-27 17:43
Only because the alternative was Trump. Numbers don't show the reason for the vote. Numbers do show that turnout was down.
 
 
+2 # Cassandra2012 2016-11-28 10:31
Quoting lfeuille:
Only because the alternative was Trump. Numbers don't show the reason for the vote. Numbers do show that turnout was down.

Try voter suppression and hanky-panky with voter IDs etc. , typical Walker antics supported by KKKoch ca$h... . Who in their right mind would support e.g., anti-science climate denier Ron Johnson for anything other than dogcatcher?
 
 
+11 # wcandler1 2016-11-27 05:41
Quite so! Had the DNC wanted to defeat Trump, the Super Delegates (that is what they are there for) would have elected Bernie. They did not, and the result is history.
 
 
0 # E.V.Debs 2016-11-27 07:24
"Do you STILL not get it?
The voters DID NOT WANT HILLARY CLINTON!"

Hillary got 48% of the vote. Jilly got 1.04%. Who is it that the voters didn't want?
 
 
+7 # lfeuille 2016-11-27 17:48
Who didn't they want?

1. Trump - so they voted for Hillary as the best chance to avoid him.

2. Hillary - but she was the best chance to avoid Trump.

Most voters did not know who Jill was. She did not figure in their calculations.
 
 
+2 # kkartha 2016-11-27 08:16
Right ON!
 
 
+14 # savagem13 2016-11-26 16:13
What do I think? Hmmmm....well, I think you're still shilling for the warmongering, sociopathic Hillary Clinton, Robert Reich. Yes, I feel we DO owe Jill Stein our thanks, as well. But not for the reason you suggest. We owe Jill Stein our thanks for endeavoring to expose our corrupt elections.
 
 
-1 # Cassandra2012 2016-11-28 10:33
Quoting savagem13:
What do I think? Hmmmm....well, I think you're still shilling for the warmongering, sociopathic Hillary Clinton, Robert Reich. Yes, I feel we DO owe Jill Stein our thanks, as well. But not for the reason you suggest. We owe Jill Stein our thanks for endeavoring to expose our corrupt elections.

Well, enjoy Der Drumpf's nuclear war with No. Korea when he gets insulted by a fellow nutjob.
 
 
+10 # chapdrum 2016-11-26 20:47
She's doing it first, and NOT Hillary nor the DNC. Heaven forfend Hillary should be seen as a sore loser (ala Gore's likely consideration); better that we just accept the inevitable (even if it's just on the border of sedition).
 
 
+8 # economagic 2016-11-26 22:50
How many ways can YOU spell "DUH"!?
 
 
+57 # JCM 2016-11-26 22:58
Forget about hacking. It's about the Interstate Crosschecking System, purging hundreds of thousand votes, uncounted votes from provisional ballots and disenfranchisem ent of voters. Recount the ballots, count the ones not counted and reclaim the ones purged. Count, Recount, and Reclaim. Count, Recount and Reclaim. BE VERY ANGRY!
http://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/wisconsin-election-recount-spurs-rumors-of-hacking-818131523561
 
 
-1 # Cassandra2012 2016-11-28 10:34
Quoting JCM:
Forget about hacking. It's about the Interstate Crosschecking System, purging hundreds of thousand votes, uncounted votes from provisional ballots and disenfranchisement of voters. Recount the ballots, count the ones not counted and reclaim the ones purged. Count, Recount, and Reclaim. Count, Recount and Reclaim. BE VERY ANGRY!
http://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/wisconsin-election-recount-spurs-rumors-of-hacking-818131523561

Well, the Rethugs never won an election in which they didn't cheat... .
 
 
+25 # Etaoin 2016-11-26 23:18
A bigger problem is the work of the Republicans in disentrancing many Americans all across the country. The Voting Rights Act needs to be restored to its full glory. As for Hillary Clinton, who forgot a large part of the Democratic Party constituency and made the campaign all about herself...well, if Bernie had had a fair chance, he would be President-elect now!
 
 
+3 # Patriot 2016-11-27 01:12
"disentrancing" ?
 
 
+2 # nancyw 2016-11-27 10:23
Oh for goodness sake. You know he meant disenfranchise.
 
 
-2 # Douglas Jack 2016-11-27 12:16
Patriot & Etaoin, Words are always a compositions of their syllabic meanings (read etymology), so ''entrance' means to to put one into the state of a 'trance'. This seems to me the spin-doctoring which Koch money & their oligarch masters constantly impose upon the American population through media control & the Republican party. 'Dis-entrance' would mean to take one out of the state of a 'trance'. Its a nice 'constructive' use of language, but it seems Etaoin lost his way in a double-negative .
 
 
-7 # ericlipps 2016-11-27 10:27
Oh, please. Bernie didn't have to make his campaign "all about himself." His worshippers did that for him.
 
 
-2 # tomr 2016-11-26 23:21
"Jill Stein Is Doing America a Service".

Next Headline: "To See the Sky, Look Up"

Then: "Water Found to be Wet"
 
 
+2 # Ted 2016-11-27 07:16
PERFECT!

(that reich guy IS a bit of a condescending twit, isn't he.)
 
 
+2 # vicnada 2016-11-27 09:21
...this is, indeed, Reich at his condescending best (read, worst).

"(It’s no small irony that if all Stein votes in Wisconsin had gone to Clinton, Clinton would have won the state even without a recount.)"

What an a-hole! Aren't Reich's conclusions begging the very question a recount may finally resolve? If computers compiling the tabulated votes from the machines were being manipulated, how can you even ask if Jill's votes were enough to determine anything? And if you are satisfied with jiggered results as long as your candidate jiggered most effectively, why are you even in this discussion?

But this article does provide a disturbingly look through a BIG HOLE in the BACKSIDE of Reich's brain: namely, his prejudicial sympathy toward his childhood classmate, HRC. Bypassing all the cancerous polyps of criminal intrigue and presupposing it was OK that she and the DNC buried us all with Bernie using a similarly rigged nominating process, Reich crowns his erstwhile nominee with a thin wreath woven from Jill Stein's votes.

That's the kind of gratitude we can expect if the recount releases the putrid stench of this electoral sewer and thereby prevents Democracy's further slide into its depths.
 
 
+18 # Douglas Jack 2016-11-26 23:33
Certainty arises from Jill opening this door that; US election process in every jurisdiction are completely unverifiable, uncertifiable & therefore unrepresentativ e of the will of Americans, due to:
1) Lack of traceable paper or digital copies of ballots.
2) Lack of verifiable election process monitored at all stages including software verification by local election officials representing all parties with at least 1% popular vote.
3) Delisting of many 10s of millions of mostly coloured voters.
4) Citizens United: Lack of election finance rules limiting oligarch finance, control, indoctrination & media flooding.

Colonial governors managing European settler refugees on Turtle-Island, were inept at organizing a capable livelihood economy.

Seeing the dilemma of the settlers, 1st Nations welcomed & included them with most transactions being made by 1700 on 1st Nation string-shell (wampum, seewan, esnoguay etc) & most labour & business organized through the Production-Soci ety/Guilds. Feeling threatened, oligarchs in Spanish, Portuguese, French, Dutch & English colonies panicked & from south to north burned the libraries, town-centres, quipu, wampum & other record keeping systems.

Economic Democracy of universal progressive ownership for all citizens found in 1st Nation Multihome-Dwell ing-Complex, string-shell & Production-Soci eties is an essential foundation of Political democracy. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy/8-economic-democracy
 
 
+7 # Caliban 2016-11-27 02:02
"Every jurisdiction". Many, perhaps but by no means every. In my own county, heavy paper ballots are punched though and fed into the voting machines.

But the originals are retained for recounts if needed.

I doubt if this is the only spot in the country with this simple safeguard.
 
 
+7 # sean1303 2016-11-27 03:36
All of New Mexico. We made sure after the hacking of our touchscreen machines in 2004. (When the Greens called for a recount, and the Dems shut it down, destroying the evidence).
 
 
+5 # Douglas Jack 2016-11-27 10:57
Caliban, RE: "Every jurisdiction". 'Democracy', meaning 'Power-of-the-P eople, must be systematic including each person in their own domain of knowledge about the world, being able to participate in livelihood & contribute to collective intelligence. Voting is part of a democratic cycle.

Only a number of statisticians & voting integrity advocates such as Greg Palast, Bennie Smith & Bev Harris among Americans are acknowledging the gaping hole in USA's undemocratic Titantic colonial ship of state. Clinton is in complete obfuscation service to her masters. Trump says, 'election or voter rigging' in order to suppress minority votes & as a rhetorical device to raise hatred (his specialty) without providing any details about his vision of a sustainable system. Trump doesn't have this intellectual capacity. Obama is at the stage where he will bomb & destroy any country such as Libya & Syria, which actively attempt to implement democracy outside of oligarch empire. Jill Stein discusses the issue briefly & intelligently from time-to-time. In this filing for vote count verification Dr. Stein is opening a formal public discussion, which otherwise is completely lacking.

USA uses empty 'democratic' rhetoric to destroy & plunder countries with oil & other resources. The word 'American' rightly brings up disgust. Democratic 1st Nations which moneyed oligarchs destroyed & genocided were trying to help us. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/indigenous-circle-of-life
 
 
+40 # Jim Young 2016-11-26 23:57
It matters less who wins than to restore the integrity of our elections.

Trump should also donate to prove (or disprove) the very suspect voter suppression (by Kris Kobach's corrupt Cross Check lists, or suspicions of more Republicans voting than there are registered voters.
 
 
-27 # Thomas0008 2016-11-27 00:19
Oh yeah robbie, Well tell me robbie, why the hell didn't you do America a service, and call for the jailing of clinton and rally support for Jill Stein? Your johnny come lately praise for Stein now, makes me wanna heave, and I hope I get some on you... Maybe if you spent less time smoking Berkeley funny weed, and REALLY paid attention to what's going on in the world, we wouldn't have to suffer thru garbage like this article. Kapish?
 
 
+1 # DongiC 2016-11-27 13:44
Spoken like a true troll, acerbic and antagonistic at the same time.
 
 
+22 # cperlin 2016-11-27 00:45
Here's the link if you want to donate to help fund the recount: jillstein.natio nbuilder.com/re count. So far $6 million of the needed $7 million has been raised.
 
 
+6 # Patriot 2016-11-27 01:15
What cretin gave cperln's comment a thumbs down?
 
 
+16 # CragJensen 2016-11-27 00:49
Robert is absolutely right. It's looking more and more like my initial hunch was true - Trump did not score a legitimate win. Now we can see maybe if mine and many others hunches were true. Trump has no interest in supporting and sustaining our Constitutional form of government (or what's left of it). We would be far better off with Hillary at the helm than a power hungry psychopath like Trump. What ever happens - be ready for the strangest chapter, here-to-date, in our country's relatively short history.
 
 
+6 # Patriot 2016-11-27 01:23
Are you referring to the power-hungry psychopath candidate who was the beneficiary of, if not complicent in, the sabotage of Senator Sanders' campaign and the theft of the nomination as the Dem candidate for President? The pathological liar who is above all rules of the conduct of government? The person who cackled with glee at the horrible murder of Qaddafi, who thought invading Iraq would be a good "business opportunity, and who was dead-set on instituting both the TPP, which would effectively emasculate our sovereignty and a no-fly zone in Russia that would have led to a face-to-face confrontatin with the Russian Federation? The person who peddled fracking all over the world and who lifted not a single finger to deal with the poisoning of many of the people of Flint, Michigan, and the prespective poising of millions downstream from Standing Rock?

NO, thank you.

I support a recount back through the first primary of this election, but will be very, very sad if the corrupt and criminal Clinto winds up in the White House without every being examined for her own and the Dem Party's complicity in election theft--which s the ONLY reason that Clinton and the DP aren't screaming bloody murder for recounts, themselves.

Let him who is without guilt cast the first stone--includin g Reich, Galindez, and RSN.
 
 
-8 # Caliban 2016-11-27 02:08
Great list of lies about Clinton.
 
 
+3 # sean1303 2016-11-27 03:39
Unfortunately, Jill Stein, as a Green, has no standing to initiate any recounts or investigations of Democrat primaries. That is left up to the Dems, if they can be bothered.
 
 
+22 # grandlakeguy 2016-11-27 01:28
Trump did not score a legitimate win...
Clinton did not score one either (in the primaries)...
Neither of them is fit to hold the office of the President.
 
 
-7 # ericlipps 2016-11-27 10:29
Quoting grandlakeguy:
Trump did not score a legitimate win...
Clinton did not score one either (in the primaries)...
Neither of them is fit to hold the office of the President.


So who's left? St. Jill? St. Bernie, as a write-in? Gary Johnson (who consistently outpolled Jill Stein? And what happens to the votes of the huge majority of voters who chose one or the other of the major-party candidate?

Like it or not, we're stuck with one or the other, and right now it appears it'll almost certainly be the Rump--so we'll all get to see whether he'll start a war with Russia or not. (If he does, of course, the party line here will be--as always--that IT'S ALL HILLARY'S FAULT.)
 
 
0 # Patriot 2016-12-08 15:58
Yawn.
 
 
+31 # arnski007 2016-11-27 01:44
OK LET'S NOT FORGET that in less than a month the Rump has selected a despicable (and deplorable) transition team that wold be extremely damaging and destructive to America and the world. These are racists, climate deniers KKK approved miscreants the likes of which would be a disaster. As a staunch Bernie fan I feel twice cheated.
 
 
+1 # Cassandra2012 2016-11-28 10:39
Quoting arnski007:
OK LET'S NOT FORGET that in less than a month the Rump has selected a despicable (and deplorable) transition team that wold be extremely damaging and destructive to America and the world. These are racists, climate deniers KKK approved miscreants the likes of which would be a disaster. As a staunch Bernie fan I feel twice cheated.

Alas welcome to the fourth Reich!
 
 
+19 # futhark 2016-11-27 02:24
Who is going to certify the results of a recount? Who is going to derail the Trump Express train to Hell? While I certainly endorse the Green Party effort, I would like to see some details on how each state would deal with a revelation of a Clinton majority or plurality and some concrete suggestions for changing the voting process and vote counting mechanism to insure that the nation is never again left hanging with uncertainty about who won or that cheaters were allowed to prosper at the expense of our legal system and the will of the people.
 
 
+11 # citizen2009 2016-11-27 03:31
I assume, if the votes result is off, even the red governor has to announce how the state voted.
 
 
+1 # ericlipps 2016-11-27 10:42
Picture four scenarios:

(1) A recount before the Electoral College meets reveals Clinton won enough votes in the disputed states to win their electoral votes.

(2) Enough electors bolt from Trump to put Clinton over the top.

(3) It's revealed after the electors crown Trump that Hillary actually should have won in the EC.

(4) It's revealed after the inauguration that Hillary should have won in the Electoral College.

What do you suppose would happen? I suspect the Trumpabteilung would grab their muskets (rather, their automatic rifles and their armor-piercing bullets) and launch a rebellion, and that folks here would either cheer them on (because the Trumpers would be fighting against Hillary reaching the White House) or keep their lips zipped (to keep from getting shot).
 
 
0 # Patriot 2016-12-08 16:02
Eric, there don't seem to be many Trump supporters here, although there ARE many who opposed Clinton. (You still seem unable to absorb that opposing Clinton does not, de facto, make a person a Trump supporter. Why is that?) Since that bothers you so deeply and continuously, why do you still read and comment here? I'm not suggesting you stop reading or commenting, but I do wonder why you do so. How about a response?
 
 
+5 # lfeuille 2016-11-27 18:22
1.
The states certify their own results. If the recount switches enough votes in enough states the electors from those states will vote for Hillary instead of Trump unless they are from a state that doesn't not require them to vote for the statewide winner. They probably will, but are not legally required to.

There is no central authority.

In order to reform the process, first of all, the rules have to be standardized. That means a the feds have to write the rules and administer all federal elections. It can't be left to the states. I don't know if this requires a constitutional amendment or not.

If you want concrete suggestions for new rules here are a few:

Only paper ballots that can be recounted by hand can be used. One of the selling points of the touch screen machines is that some people with disabilities can use them without assistance, but they can be design to print a filled in paper ballot which would be placed in the ballot box.

The format of the ballots should be standardized for all federal elections (President, and Congress). They should include a write in option where the voter can write in anyone he or she wants. Write ins would not have to be pre-approved by anyone.
 
 
+5 # lfeuille 2016-11-27 18:26
2.

Automatic registration and mail in ballots

Abolish caucuses and only allow open primaries. Voters could choose which primary to vote in at the polls.

Abolish voter-id laws and any other restrictions that have the effect of disenfranchisin g specific groups of voters, such as minorities or young people.

An absolute constitutional right to vote for every citizen and a method of redress that would allow those denied the right to vote a way to get their vote counted in the current election.

These are pretty basic there are other more elaborate suggestions such as ranked voting and a non of the above option which would trigger a special election with new candidates if it should win. Alan Grayson has introduced a bill to di the latter, but he won't be around to push it through.
 
 
+4 # lfeuille 2016-11-27 18:37
Oh, and I forgot the matter of election funding. I think the only way to clean it up is with total public funding except for a little but of money raised within the jurisdiction in question for ballot access petition drives.
 
 
-2 # Cassandra2012 2016-11-28 10:41
The 'feds' =? who, Comey? ROFL
 
 
+6 # citizen2009 2016-11-27 03:29
Just get the electoral college to rescue the country.
 
 
+25 # Pluto 2016-11-27 06:18
Hacking is only part of the problem!

See www.gregpalast.com. Over a million voters of color were disenfranchised by Republicans with CROSSCHECK.

See the film The Best Democracy Money Can Buy. On Amazon and YouTube.

Crosscheck is the culprit.

Thank you, Jill!
 
 
+16 # Blackjack 2016-11-27 08:31
Yes, Jill has done a service to the country when the wimp Dems would not for fear that if we knew how screwed up the voting process really is, we wouldn't vote at all. Well, that might actually be true. I think HRC is deplorable and Bernie should be the actual president-elect , but if it turns out that HRC actually won, then I DO support her over Trump. If those of you who hate HRC so much that you would willingly turn the country over to Trump and his minions, after we are beginning to see just how utterly dastardly his transition team and cabinet choices are, then there is no hope for you. As bad as HRC is, her transition team and cabinet would not be (at least not to the degree that Trump's is). If nothing comes of the recount, then let the electoral college do its job and deny the presidency to Trump and declare HRC the winner. We better all hope that one of these scenarios occurs!
 
 
+8 # nancyw 2016-11-27 10:37
Everyone send postcards to the blue turned red state electorates asking them to vote against Trump. Hillary as awful as she is is better for our country. I had hoped Trump would choose his cabinet differently, giving him benefit of the doubt but he is failed that.
 
 
0 # Cassandra2012 2016-11-28 10:44
"benefit of the doubt"? Weren't you listening to his bullying, his narcissistic, fascist rants? Did you just not want to hear what he was saying?
Did you not know of all the lawsuits against him? Not realize he was a draft dodger and a tax dodger? Not want to believe he had had 6 bankruptcies, & that WE the taxpayers had to bail him out on? etc.
 
 
-2 # candida 2016-11-28 21:55
Quoting nancyw:
I had hoped Trump would choose his cabinet differently, giving him benefit of the doubt but he is failed that.


Yes, nancyw, it is hard to believe you could have hoped for any other outcome. I, too, wonder what led you to this denial of reality? But, then, you are in good company, as evidenced by many here on RSN who still hold out hope for Trump so great is their hatred of Hillary (and, perhaps, to avoid the shame in having inadvertently contributed to the historically disasterous outcome we now face).
 
 
+11 # djnova50 2016-11-27 08:31
Dr. Reich, the Green Party would be doing America a great service if Jill Stein had been elected. In fact, you and other so called progressives could have helped by promoting the Green Party platform instead of Hillary Clinton.

It does not surprise me at all that the Stein/Baraka is doing this. In 2004, the Green Party's Cobb/LaMarche campaign demanded a recount in Ohio. As a result, an election administrator went to jail.

Jill Stein is a woman of integrity. She supports election integrity as should candidates of all parties, including the Democrats and Republicans.
 
 
-9 # ericlipps 2016-11-27 10:44
If Reich had peddled Jill Stein, he'd have made himself a laughingstock.
 
 
+10 # mikehz 2016-11-27 08:53
Robert, your editorials are spot on. I don't understand the antagonism toward Hillary, but it pales by comparison to Trump's transgressions and behavior. I'd love to see the election overturned in Hillary's favor
 
 
+11 # spenel334 2016-11-27 11:18
I give Jill Stein all the credit she deserves. However, given the
RSN article entitled How the GOP Flipped and Stripped Yet Another American Election, it appears that counting the votes may have been but a small part of the stolen results. That said, the recount should at minimum, provide a significant clue to what has really been happening
 
 
+3 # DongiC 2016-11-27 14:08
I feel like I am in the middle of a morality play where the forces of evil have a principal role and the heroine has some very serious flaws. The welfare of the planet is at stake and millions of immigrants as well as Muslims and many other people are shaking in their boots. Core values like the integrity of the electoral process, the rule of law and the profit motive seem under attack.

Wow! What an exciting time to live.
 
 
+1 # Cassandra2012 2016-11-28 10:49
Quoting DongiC:
I feel like I am in the middle of a morality play where the forces of evil have a principal role and the heroine has some very serious flaws. The welfare of the planet is at stake and millions of immigrants as well as Muslims and many other people are shaking in their boots. Core values like the integrity of the electoral process, the rule of law and the profit motive seem under attack.

Wow! What an exciting time to live.

Exciting? There is that old Chinese curse that comes to mind---"May you live in interesting times!"
 
 
+11 # Blackjack 2016-11-27 14:54
Exciting? It's absolutely terrifying to many of us!
 
 
+4 # lfeuille 2016-11-27 18:33
It is the only way to make things better. The abysmal election laws that led to this mess are not going to fix themselves and Congress won't do it without a big public outcry.
 
 
+5 # lfeuille 2016-11-27 18:30
Everyone seems to have forgotten that Reich was backing Bernie until he pulled out. He knows he was the better candidate. And he quit the Clinton administration because of policy differences. He just thought that Clinton was better than Trump, not better than Bernie. I didn't agree, but they are both so awful that people can honestly differ on that point.
 
 
+2 # librarian1984 2016-11-28 10:10
If the recount discovers fraud that would be great, but the recount will NOT look at the machine software, which is what we need.

Clinton lost MI by 11,000 votes, WI by 23 thousand and PA by 68 thousand. She would have to switch all three to win the election.
 
 
+3 # DongiC 2016-11-28 18:24
When we are talking about electoral reforms, we should take steps to prevent hacking, crosschecking, interference by foreign governments and anything else that can gum up the process of voting. We've had enough of parties stealing elections. Time to grow up and safeguard our democracy.
 
 
+1 # Activista 2016-11-28 16:26
So about that Trump claim that he won the popular vote? It's horseshit. Where did he get it from? From a guy who also claims 9/11 and Sandy Hook either didn't happen, or were government conspiracies.
So basically, America has elected a president who looks at the "alien bay boy" stories on the supermarket tabloids, and considers that actual news.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/…/trump-false-claim-millions-v…
and this is not only Trump here ...
 
 
-2 # NickAnast 2016-11-29 13:26
What do I think? I think Jill Stein did America a DISSERVICE by taking votes away from Hillary Clinton. She single-handedly cost Clinton two states and 26 electoral votes; there would be no need for recounts in Michigan and Wisconsin had Stein not been on the ballot. So all of you Stein-loving, Clinton-hating morons are going to get what you deserve: President Trump. But unfortunately, those of us who actually listened to Bernie Sanders and voted for the only candidate who could have prevented President Trump are also stuck with him. Thanks a lot.
 
 
+1 # chapdrum 2016-11-29 18:17
Naturally, it's not the Democratic Party doing the service.
 

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