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Excerpt: "Hillary Clinton has won the popular vote in the 2016 presidential election by well over a million votes. But her impending defeat in the Electoral College comes with familiar signs that yet another American election has been stripped and flipped."

Voting rights. (photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
Voting rights. (photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

How the GOP Flipped and Stripped Yet Another American Election

By Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman, Reader Supported News

20 November 16


illary Clinton has won the popular vote in the 2016 presidential election by well over a million votes.

But her impending defeat in the Electoral College comes with familiar signs that yet another American election has been stripped and flipped.

This article presents a comprehensive overview of how it was done, and a brief summary of how our electoral system needs to be changed to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

The primary indicators of the massive election theft are by now familiar. They include the realities of pre- and post-election polling; the massive stripping of primarily black, Hispanic, Muslim and Asian-American voters from computer-generated registration rolls mostly maintained by private, partisan companies; unverifiable “black box” electronic voting machines and central tabulators, also mostly manufactured and maintained by private corporations; and much more.

Were this election held in any other country, the US State Department and independent monitors from around the world would denounce it as a fraud and contemplate international intervention.

What follows only begins to scratch the surface:

The Electoral College

Much is finally being said about the Electoral College, with new popular demands for its abolition. Clinton is about to become the sixth presidential candidate to win a legitimate majority but lose the presidency. It also happened in 1800, 1824, 1876, 1888, and 2000. Nearly 15% of our 45 presidents have been “selected” with the denial of the public will through an institution established in large part to enhance the power of slaveowners.

In February, 2013, at, we joined the multitudes throughout our history in calling for the Electoral College’s abolition:

It will take a Constitutional Amendment, and a hell of a lot of work, to abolish this corrupt anachronism. But unless we want to see an endless succession of George W. Bushes in the White House, something had better be done – and quick.

The consequences of inaction are all too clear.

Computerized Jim Crow Stripping of Voter Registration Rolls

US elections have been defined throughout history by a divide-and-conquer strategy of racial manipulation. As we outline in our new Strip & Flip Death of American Democracy ( chattel slavery, the Constitution’s “three-fifths bonus,” Jim Crow segregation, third world imperial conquest, and the Drug War have all played a role in denying African-American/Hispanic/Asian-American citizens their right to vote. From the foundation of the Republic, this disenfranchisement has defined the balance of power.

In recent years, the disenfranchisement has been most importantly done by the Republican Party, and by computer. As investigative reporter Greg Palast has shown in his book/movie The Best Democracy Money Can Buy (, in 2000 Florida governor Jeb Bush used a program called ChoicePoint to strip more than 90,000 predominantly black and Hispanic citizens from the voter registration rolls in an election decided by 537 votes. The pretext was alleged felony convictions. The selection was “won” by Bush’s brother George W., although a full recount (which was stopped 5-4 by the US Supreme Court in its infamous Bush v. Gore decision) would have given Al Gore the majority in Florida, and in the Electoral College.

As we have reported from Columbus, in 2004 more than 300,000 predominantly urban citizens were stripped from the voter registration rolls in an election the GOP won by 118,775. A quarter of all voters in heavily Democratic Cleveland were de-registered. Ohio’s ill-gotten electoral votes gave George W. Bush a second term. This became the only time in US history an entire state’s Electoral College delegation was challenged on the floor of the US Congress.

This year, Palast has reported that a new program called Crosscheck has been used by some 30 GOP secretaries of state to strip more than 1.1 million predominantly black, Hispanic, Islamic, and Asian-American citizens from the voter rolls.

Originating with far-right Republican Kris Kobach, Kansas’s secretary of state, Crosscheck eliminated more than enough minority voters in at least three swing states to flip the entire presidential election.

Palast has reported that Ohio’s GOP secretary of state Jon Husted also used Crosscheck to eliminate some 497,000 mostly black, Latino, and African-American citizens from the voter rolls in Ohio, falsely accusing them of registering in more than one state. Such eliminations went on throughout the US.

According to Reuters, over the past five years Husted himself has stripped some two million citizens from the voter rolls in Ohio, even without Crosscheck, with Democratic areas twice as likely to be stripped as Republican ones. Reuters writers Andy Sullivan and Grant Smith point out that the neighborhoods that most heavily backed President Obama lost the most voters. In heavily Democratic Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincinnati, they report, Democrat-leaning areas were purged at twice the rate as Republican ones.

The mass disenfranchisement also impacted races for the US Senate. If not for the usual “irregularities,” at least four Democrats would likely have won seats (in Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Missouri) that they officially lost. Similar results are evident from 2014 Senate races in North Carolina, Colorado and Alaska. Thus in the past two years, mass disenfranchisement and computerized vote stripping may well have flipped seven Upper House seats from the Democrats to the GOP.

Thus the electronic race-based stripping of voter rolls in the GOP’s favor has probably on its own taken to the far right the presidency, control of the US Senate, and ultimately the US Supreme Court.

It should be noted that out of disgust with Donald Trump, the GOP multi-billionaire Koch Brothers shifted much of their massive financial weight from the presidential race to Congressional and other “down-ballot contests,” where these key Senate seats and others in the US House and state governments were almost certainly impacted.

Traditional Jim Crow Stripping of Voter Registration Rolls

Alongside computerized techniques, the Republicans have effectively deployed still more traditional Jim Crow tactics to strip black/Hispanic/Asian-American/Muslim citizens of their ability to vote, many of which have been delineated in the New York Times.

In part these include: demands for photo ID, elimination of polling places, narrowing time frames in which citizens can vote, deliberate distribution of misinformation about voting requirements, non-counting of provisional ballots, failure to send out absentee ballots, intimidation and widespread confusion at polling places, and much more.

Throughout the corporate media, the obligatory hand-wringing about a drop in voter turnout invariably avoids the obvious cause of race-based restrictions that make it harder to vote, selective limitations on when citizens can vote, and targeted reductions in where they can vote.

In its 2013 Shelby County vs. Holder decision, the US Supreme Court gutted protections provided by the 1965 Voting Rights Act, opening the floodgates for such Jim Crow abuse throughout the electoral system.

Numerous reports indicate that citizens were often confronted with photo ID requirements even where they were voided by the courts. As in Ohio 2004, reports indicate many citizens were directed by official websites to polling places that did not actually exist. This year Ohio secretary of state Jon Husted failed to distribute more than 1,050,000 absentee ballot applications to citizens entitled to them.Husted also waged a relentless war against early voting periods, such as “souls to the polls” Sundays, that encouraged African-Americans to vote. He also worked hard to strip out polling stations from urban areas.

In Wisconsin, which Trump allegedly carried by about 27,000 votes, some 300,000 registered voters lacked required photo ID. According to Ari Berman’s “Did the Republicans Rig the Election?” appearing in The Nation, Wisconsin’s turnout was the lowest in two decades. That includes a drop of 52,000 in heavily African-American Milwaukee, nearly twice Trump’s margin of victory in the entire state.

According to a report by Richard Hayes Philips, extremely high turnouts for Trump in rural areas of Wisconsin “are not credible.” Among other things, the vote counts in five Republican towns exceed the number of registered voters. (

On election day, media throughout the US reported the kinds of mass delays and confusion that defined the elections of 2000 and 2004. According to Berman, there were 868 fewer polling stations in Arizona, Texas, and North Carolina alone, accompanied by a notable drop in African-American turnouts. According to Berman, 14 states imposed new restrictions on voting. Three of them – Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio – were never before under federal Voting Rights Act supervision.

Said The New York Times: “Voters nationwide endured long waits in line, malfunctioning voting machines, ill-informed poll workers and a litany of lesser annoyances on Tuesday with scattered reports that some voters gave up trying to cast ballots.”

David Becker, the Executive Director of the Center for Election Innovation, told the Times, “There are scattered indications of machine breakdowns that are being addressed.”

A typical description has been provided by Steven Rosenfeld, writing at Alternet about the “Democratic epicenter” in Durham County, North Carolina:

the state’s voter registration database and e-poll books tied into it were down, prompting long lines, delays and necessitating people fill out provisional ballots. The data was also scrambled, with voter rolls in the wrong locations, people tagged as voting when they had not, and people not on lists even though they had their state registration cards.

In an editorial the day after the election, the Times lamented that in North Carolina “The state’s Republican Party issued a news release boasting that cutbacks in early voting hours reduced black turnout by 8.5% below 2012 levels, even as the numbers of white early voters increased by 22.5%.”

Throughout the US, voters with “problems” in their registration are routinely given provisional ballots, which are allegedly to be counted later. But the forms are often impossibly complex, with poll workers often failing to count them at the sight of a single minor error, such as writing below a line, omitting a middle initial, failing to include a birthday and much more. Ohio secretary of state Husted won the right from the US Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals to not count provisional ballots that contain a minor mistake. Thus tens of thousands of provisional ballots have been routinely left uncounted, unbeknownst to the voters. More than 115,000 provisional and “spoiled” ballots from Ohio’s 2004 election remain uncounted.

Often absurd discrepancies have become normalized. In 2004 hundreds of mostly Democratic Native Americans allegedly cast ballots on their New Mexico reservations without signifying a choice for president. This year in North Carolina, Trump and the GOP’s US Senate candidate allegedly won by nearly 200,000 votes while the incumbent Republican governor was allegedly defeated (he’s demanding a recount). In Michigan, tens of thousands of voters allegedly filled out their entire ballots but somehow left the presidential choice vacant in a race essentially too close to call.

Polling Indicators

In the lead-up to November 8, pre-election polls strongly indicated a Clinton victory. Post-election exit polls showed her winning as well, most critically in the swing states whose Electoral College votes could have given her the presidency.

Exit polls are the accepted international standard for indications of election fraud and vote tampering. Eric Bjornlund and Glenn Cowan’s 2011 pamphlet “Vote Count Verification: a User’s Guide for Funders, Implementers and Stakeholders” was done under the auspices of Democracy International for the US Agency for International Development (USAID). It outlines how exit polling is used to ensure free and fair elections.

It adds that “U.S-funded organizations have sponsored exit polls as part of democracy assistance programs in Macedonia (2005), Afghanistan (2004), Ukraine (2004), Azerbaijan (2005), the West Bank and Gaza Strip (2005), Lebanon (2005), Kazakhstan (2005), Kenya (2005, 2007), and Bangladesh (2009), among other places.”

In countries like Germany and Switzerland, which use hand-counted paper ballots, exit polls are accurate to a margin error of less than 1%.

Here the 2016 exit polls were paid for by a major corporate media consortium, as has been standard practice for years. Here they are designed to reflect the actual vote count within a 2% margin of error nationally.

But in the US, if exit polls don’t agree with official vote counts, they are regularly “adjusted” to conform to official results, no matter how implausible. This makes fraudulent elections appear legitimate.

During this year’s Republican primaries, unadjusted exit polls confirmed official vote counts in all cases. In the Democratic primaries, unadjusted exit polls significantly varied from the official outcome in 12 of 26 primaries. All the errors went in Hillary Clinton’s favor in her race against Bernie Sanders. This is a virtual statistical impossibility and suggests a rigged vote count.

In the general election against Donald Trump, things went the other way. In 24 of 28 states, unadjusted exit polls also showed Clinton with vote counts significantly higher than the final official outcome. The likelihood of this happening in an election that is not rigged are in the realm of virtual statistical impossibility.

In fact, based on the exit polls, the odds against such an unexplained “Trump Shift” are one in 13,110 presidential elections.

For example, Ohio’s exit polls showed Trump and Clinton in a dead heat – 47 percent for Clinton to 47.1 for Trump. Officially, Trump won with 52.1 percent of the vote to Clinton’s 43.5 percent. This unexplained and unexpected 8.5 percent shift for Trump is mathematically impossible.

The exit polls also showed Clinton winning in Florida.But an unaccounted for 2.5 percent shift to Trump gave him a victory that was a virtual statistical impossibility. Similar numbers abide in Pennsylvania and North Carolina.

Given the prevalence of other Jim Crow tactics, it’s likely the exit polls were impacted by non-white voters in all the key swing states who were given provisional ballots (or they voted electronically) leading them to believe their votes were being counted, even though they were not.

In key Senate races in Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Missouri, exit polls also showed Democratic candidates winning by statistically significant margins, but then losing the official vote count.

In 2014, Senate races in North Carolina, Colorado, and Alaska ended with exit polls also showing Democratic Senate candidates winning the popular vote, while ultimately losing the official vote count. The odds against this happening in two consecutive elections that are not rigged are also astronomical.

The tendency of such official outcomes to slide to the GOP after showing “blue” for Democrats in the exit polls is more fully documented by Jon Simon in his definitive book CODE RED. Simon coined the phrase “Red Shift” and discusses what has once again become a dominant factor in a presidential election claimed by the Republicans at OpEdNews.

Electronic Flipping

The vast majority of the popular votes in this election nationwide were cast on either computerized touch-screen electronic machines, or on Scantron ballots that are counted by computer. In neither case are there public monitoring capabilities or legal recourse for vote counts that are flipped.

In 2016, as in all previous US elections at least since 2000, the electronic vote count remains anyone’s guess. In states with a governor and secretary of state from the same party, the final tally can be whatever they want it to be.

Such techniques were used in Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004 to strip voter rolls and flip George W. Bush into the White House. More than 90,000 black/Hispanic voters were disenfranchised by Gov. Jeb Bush (George’s brother) in a Florida election officially decided by 537 votes. More than 300,000 primarily black/Hispanic voters were stripped from voter rolls in an Ohio 2004 election officially decided by 118,775.

In Florida’s 2000 presidential election, 16,000 votes cast for Gore in Volusia County were electronically subtracted and 4,000 were credited to Bush, giving him a leg up on the evening’s vote count. This caused Fox News commentator John Ellis (Bush’s first cousin) to call the election for the GOP.

In Ohio 2004, John Kerry was shown winning the election by 4.2%, more than 200,000 votes, at12:20 a.m. Then the electronic vote count ceased. At2 a.m.,a Bush lead began to emerge, somehow reaching 2.5%. The 6.7% flip is a virtual statistical impossibility.

All of this was done by private contractors working for the company SmarTech, based in Chattanooga, Tennessee. The key information technology specialist in charge of the vote count was Michael Connell, an Akron-based associate of the Bush family, who was hired by the Ohio secretary of state with a no-bid contract to supervise the state’s official vote count. Connell later died in a mysterious plane crash after being deposed in federal court.

The fact that electronic voting machines cannot be monitored was voted a Most Censored story in 2016, with a key interview with co-author Harvey Wasserman appearing on Amy Goodman’s “Democracy Now!

Computer “Black Box Voting” specialist Bev Harris, who uncovered the electronic vote flipping in Florida 2000, has warned this year that a method of “fractionated voting” could have been easily used to manipulate electronic vote counts. The manipulation could be done by secretaries of state in conjunction with partisan for-profit corporations in ways that are virtually impossible to detect, and simply not open to legal challenge. According to Harris, this “fraction magic,” used in counties’ central tabulators, could have flipped hundreds of thousands of votes.

In Ohio this year, a new generation of electronic vote scanning machines makes it possible to retrieve electronic images of ballots that have been cast on paper in the order that they were cast. These machines come with an audit log that would detect any illegitimate vote changes by central tabulators.

But Secretary of State Husted opted to allow local election boards to leave both security functions – the audit log and the image scanners – turned off. Co-author Bob Fitrakis sued in the Franklin County Court of Common Pleas to have the monitoring functions turned on. But Judge David Cain ruled on Election Day that the election officials need not turn on those security features, leaving the public with no way to monitor the outcome. (A similar lawsuit filed in Arizona by election protection activist John Brakey actually succeeded.)

Such problems are built into the system nationwide. In Pennsylvania, for example, Rosenfeld reports that “16 counties are still using aging countywide tabulators which” are easily hacked and “use old versions of Microsoft operating systems, which have security vulnerabilities that have never been fixed.”

Throughout the US, including the swing states that will decide the presidential outcome in the Electoral College and states that have increased the GOP margin in the US Senate, the entire vote count remains an electronic mystery.

VR Systems, based in Tallahassee, handles registration records in Florida and more than a dozen other states. It was hacked prior to the election, possibly by Russians. Indeed, much finger-pointing against alleged Russian electronic intruders still goes on. But there are more than enough open portals into our electronic voting system to let domestic hackers easily flip an election.

Sources cited by Rosenfeld say Clinton won only those Wisconsin counties with paper ballots, while losing those with a mix of paper and machine voting by 1-2%, and those with only machines only by 10-15%.

Those results echo outcomes in New Mexico 2004, where Kerry won all precincts with hand-counted paper ballots and lost all those with machines, a reality he personally noted in a post-election conference call.

Millions of dollars would be required to do meaningful recounts in states like Wisconsin, which may well have legitimately gone for Clinton and chosen a Democratic US Senator. Michigan’s 4,800 precincts could cost up to $125 each to recount. The impact of such recounts, even if they show Clinton winning, would then be up for grabs.

So did the GOP strip and flip the 2016 election?

Let’s count the ways:

There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton won America’s popular vote by more than a million votes.

That popular vote victory will be reversed in an Electoral College originally designed to enhance the power of slaveowners and now being used for the sixth time to deny the White House to the rightful winner.

There is no doubt that more than enough black, Hispanic, Islamic and Asian-Americans were electronically stripped from the voter registration rolls by Crosscheck and other means to have given Clinton victories in those swing states that would have swung the Electoral College in her favor.

There is no doubt additional Jim Crow tactics meant to further disenfranchise black/Hispanic/Asian-American voters – such as stripping away voting times and precincts, denial of absentee ballots, non-counting of provisional ballots, and much more – stripped Clinton of hundreds of thousands of additional legitimate votes.

There is no doubt exit polls showed her winning in more than enough states to have given her a victory in the Electoral College. They also indicated a seven-seat swing in the US Senate in 2014 and 2016, more than enough to give the GOP control of the US Supreme Court.

There is no doubt that the election was largely conducted on electronic machines, and with electronically-counted Scantron ballots that are completely beyond public accountability. These voting machines are run on secret, proprietary corporate software to which the public is not allowed access.

As in 2000 and 2004, the actual final vote count once again resides in black box machines controlled by private corporations, GOP governors, and secretaries of state, whose ability to easily hack and flip the official outcome cannot be monitored or brought to accountability. In at least one state (Ohio) the GOP took legal action to prevent the public from gaining potential access to the electronic vote count ... and won!

There is also no doubt that had this election been conducted as it was in virtually any other country, the civilized world would have denounced it as completely unreliable and almost certainly false. Had it been in our “national interest” to do so, American troops would have poured in to “restore democracy” after such an obviously rigged charade.

Throughout the campaign, GOP candidate Trump cleverly complained of a “rigged election.” He continually warned of innumerable non-whites and Muslims voting multiple times for Hillary Clinton.

Of course the opposite happened. Hundreds of thousands of non-white citizens were systematically denied their right to vote. Since even that wasn’t enough to elect Donald Trump, the Electoral College will once again deny democracy. And thanks to the dark magic of electronic voting machines, we will never really know 2016’s true vote count.

Today’s most tangible tragedy is what may soon unfold in this country.

But the underlying nightmare is that this has been done before, that we’ve known about stripped and flipped elections for at least sixteen years, and that nothing has been done.

If anything, due to the spread of electronic voting machines, our electoral system is more corrupt and less accountable than it was in 2000, when the GOP first stripped and flipped George W. Bush into the White House.

We advocate universal automatic voter registration, transparent voter rolls, a four-day national holiday for voting, universal hand-counted paper ballots, abolition of the Electoral College, an end to gerrymandering, a ban on corporate money in politics.

There’s much more. But until we win those basics, democracy in America is an illusion ... as is our chance to survive on this planet.

Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman are co-authors of the upcoming The Strip & Flip Disaster of America’s Stolen Elections: Five Jim Crows & Electronic Election Theft. at and, where Bob’s Fitrakis Files and Harvey’s Solartopia! Our Green-powered Earth are also available.

Critical charts from Ron Baiman are also available at

Special thanks to Lori Grace and Mimi Kennedy.

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+50 # Reductio Ad Absurdum 2016-11-20 10:53
Inadequate and understaffed voting facilities in high-minority precincts are unforgivable. Who among us would — or could afford to — wait in line for three hours to vote?

If extremely gerrymandered districts aren't remedied and voting isn't made easier, quicker and more accessible and the voter rolls and vote tallies made more secure and verifiable, we can kiss democracy goodbye because undermining democracy is the Republicans' modus operandi. The voter suppression thuggery of these "lapel-pin patriots" is beyond illegality and heinous contempt — they are traitors to America in every sense of the word.
+40 # grandlakeguy 2016-11-20 11:11
These problems are nothing new.
The best opportunity for actually giving citizens the vote happened during the first two years of the Obama administration when there was a Democratic majority in the House of Representatives and yet...
the Democrats did nothing.

It certainly looks like both parties are in this together.
+30 # Ted 2016-11-20 11:57
I agree.

After the 2000 fiasco it was very clear to many people (despite the corporate media blackout) that, at the very least, electronic manipulation of the vote did indeed happen, and yet the dem party did and said NOTHING about this newly discovered election fraud method.

That was when I withdrew my membership in the dem party and haven't regretted it since.
+21 # suzyskier 2016-11-20 13:01
The Dems did not say nothing, everyone knew what had happened. I'm really not sure what they could do as Gore decided that he needed to get on with his life. As it is it he and his wife Tipper ended up divorced. This time something must be done and we have to pressure the Democrats to make sure it does. We can't afford to keep having our votes thrown in the trash. The Republicans are no longer a party that can be trusted, they are Hell bent on taking over permanently.
+10 # lfeuille 2016-11-20 17:50
There was not much they could do at the time with a Republican Congress. As has been previously pointed out, the time to act was in Obama's first 2 years.
+11 # vicnada 2016-11-20 23:01
"Gore decided that he needed to get on with his life"...Precise ly! And for this reason, We the People have been enduring a non-stop Constitutional crisis that, at least in my view, has gutted our Democracy. If Gore's was trying to be high-minded by avoiding a crisis, he accomplished just the opposite.

Now by contrast, imagine how Bernie would have fought for us (and Democracy) given the same circumstances. And imagine how different our world would have been as a result.

At this point, we need to formally protest this election. The Supreme Court screwed it up in 2000, perhaps they could redeem themselves if it ended up in their hands. It would be a stretch to consider but this is exactly what the UN was set up to monitor. Since the stakes are so high with global survival in the balance, we need extra-ordinary measures, extra-ordinary thinking, extra-ordinary conversations.
+9 # vicnada 2016-11-20 23:02
A call for Obama to hold office until an investigation and recount could take place monitored by the UN? Or a conclave of the living Presidents holding the Executive Branch while We the People can get our House and Congress in order?

The world is in as much shock as we are. Why not engage the international community for the best collection of diplomatic professionals to advise potential ways forward?

I'm sure others have better ideas but one thing is certain: Trump is not my President...nor would Clinton have been if elected by the same sham-means. This has got to STOP. NOW. There can be NO WAY FORWARD until we confront and remedy the harm of the past 16 years.

What must happen must be TRANSPARENT. Paper ballots, Grandmas counting...for starters.
-3 # ptalady 2016-11-21 02:40
Oh no way, what a terrifying thought!! Is there any reason whatsoever to imagine that "the international community" would like to see the US strengthened in any way??! Destroyed is more like it, and with our RSN comment board right along with it.
+3 # westomoon 2016-11-21 11:10
Or we could start doing it ourselves -- forming citizen groups to pressure our counties and parishes, where elections are run, to allow citizen review of changes to voter rolls, uncounted ballots, and voting / counting machine verification testing, for starters.
+1 # westomoon 2016-11-21 11:48
Maybe also allocation of voting equipment among precincts, too.
+1 # westomoon 2016-11-24 12:31
Jill Stein and the Greens have agreed to be the ones to start doing something -- she'll be requesting vote recounts (and investigations) in WI, PA, and MI.

If you feel like doing something more constructive than whining about the Dems, you can contribute at

This fund has shot from $0 to nearly $4 million in less than 24 hours. That's more than enough to file, and more than half the total costs.

IMO, this is the first Presidential-le vel thing Stein has ever done. If they keep this up, the Greens could end up earning my support.
+6 # JCM 2016-11-20 17:02
The democrats had sixty for two months in 2009 and some of those were blue dogs.
+11 # lfeuille 2016-11-20 17:52
Even the blue dogs should have gone along with fixing the electoral system to wipe out cheating. They were Democrats. You can never count on them on economic issues, but this is pretty basic.
+1 # westomoon 2016-11-24 12:33
Jill Stein and the Greens have agreed to be the ones to start doing something -- she'll be requesting vote recounts (and investigations) in WI, PA, and MI.

If you feel like doing something more constructive than whining about the Dems, you can contribute at

This fund has shot from $0 to nearly $4 million in less than 24 hours. That's more than enough to file, and more than half the total costs.

+11 # Vardoz 2016-11-21 00:15
Our electoral process is totally corrupt and lack oversight, accountability and checks and balances. if reform does not come we the people, have lost out right to our vote and will be subject to the domination of the slave owners that have no
interest in our health, safety and welfare or our future or the future of our species. with so much horrific corruption in power it will be a big race to the bottom for the majority because we are no longer represented. With so much at stake i see the people at Standing Rock who seems to understand the true meaning of protest. We have a lot to learn from them.
+14 # wrknight 2016-11-20 10:58
"Much is finally being said about the Electoral College, with new popular demands for its abolition. Clinton is about to become the sixth presidential candidate to win a legitimate majority but lose the presidency. It also happened in 1800, 1824, 1876, 1888, and 2000."

Actually, it did not happen in 1800 as there was no popular vote for president that year. The first popular vote in presidential elections took place in in 1824.
+14 # futhark 2016-11-20 12:29
There's another pattern in this history: in 1824, 1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016 the Democratic Party candidate received the most popular votes, but the non-Democratic candidate was selected by the Electoral College. It would seem that the Democratic Party would have a substantial interest in a reform to eliminate the Electoral College. I'll be interested to see how this is handled, being currently registered as a Democrat, but being ready to revert to the Green Party if no action is taken.
+11 # wrknight 2016-11-20 13:50
Let's call a spade a spade. It was the Republican candidate the Electoral College selected in all but the 1824 election. The Republican Party didn't exist then.

You are right that one would think the Democrats would be interested in eliminating the electoral college, but the Republicans sure as hell wouldn't. So, I guess you can forget about getting rid of the electoral college for the next few years.
+7 # william cameron 2016-11-20 14:57
Eliminating the Electoral College is not even just a partisan issue. This could be accomplished only by a constitutional amendment, of course. (A statutory solution is being floated, and has apparently been adopted by several states. The plan is that a state's legislature enacts a law committing its own Electoral Votes to whatever candidate wins the popular vote. When states whose Electoral Votes total 270 have adopted the law, the Electoral College is dead, for all practical purposes. But this plan has a number of problems, starting with how to tell when the statute actually kicks in. For the allocations of Electoral Votes change with each federal census. This idea sounds ingenious, but it may be impracticable.)

Three-quarters of the states must ratify an amendment for it to take effect. It would take only 13 small states' legislatures to hold up ratification of the elimination of the Electoral College. If adopted, the amendment would have the effect of eliminating the small states' outsized power in presidential elections. It's hard to envision ANY situation, short of a kind of Great Awakening of selfless civic duty, in which any legislature -- be it GOP- or Democratically- controlled -- would take that step. Judge for yourself the likelihood of such a burst of civic zealotry occurring in America these days.
+1 # lfeuille 2016-11-20 17:56
I think it would take a constitutional amendment so it wouldn't happen in the next few years anyway. But they could start the process at least.
+6 # westomoon 2016-11-21 11:05
The real problem is not the existence of the Electoral College, retrograde though it may be. It's that the existence of the EC makes it simpler to hack a Presidential election.

If we address the hacking -- and we have to, because it has also shaped our State governments and the US Congress -- then the EC per se becomes much less of a problem.

Also, States can decide how they want their votes to translate into EC votes -- winner-take-all or by Congressional district. Just moving all States away from winner-take-all counts would be a big step toward reforming the institution, without requiring a Constitutional amendment.
+4 # 2016-11-20 13:25
there were popular votes, in virginia and massachusetts. there were legislative votes throughout the country. you'll notice the piece says adams won the "legitimate" vote, which in my mind does NOT include the 3/5th bonus votes. without those votes given to slaveowners for slaves who could not cast them, adams would have won. check the linked report at the Smithsonian.
+13 # moreover 2016-11-20 11:07
It's easy to see how these various manipulations taken together have indeed flipped the vote. Perhaps if one used spy craft against secretaries of state and their manipulation could it be brought to light. Hell, corporations do it against environmental organizations all the time, why not turn the tables?
+26 # swissms 2016-11-20 11:09
Now the question is where does the public go for recourse? Will the House Oversight Committee examine this issue? Will the mainstream news media cover it? Will the states issue a recount? "Not my president" takes on a whole deeper meaning. "Not my government" becomes relevant here, as does civil disobedience and resistance to any new policies implemented by this faux government. If not now, when?
+15 # Henry 2016-11-20 11:47
NOW – and right away, before the Coronation!
+13 # suzyskier 2016-11-20 13:10
Yes the Coronation! As that is exactly what he thinks of himself as Emperor of the USA. I wonder if his throne will be ready in time for the big day. Will he have secret police listening in on everything we say?? I would put nothing past him.
+5 # ptalady 2016-11-20 14:53
I question your use of future tense, though: don't you think surveillance is already quite thorough?? That's what I read....
+1 # westomoon 2016-11-24 12:37
Jill Stein and the Greens have agreed to be the ones to start doing something -- right now, this minute. She'll be requesting vote recounts (and investigations) in WI, PA, and MI. (Only candidate can do this.)

If you feel like doing something more constructive than whining about the Dems, you can contribute at

This fund has shot from $0 to nearly $4 million in less than 24 hours. That's more than enough to file, and more than half the total costs. It's happening!
+15 # william cameron 2016-11-20 11:12
Corruption, whether it be by votes being paid for outright, voters being directed en masse by a local boss how to vote, ballots being "lost," ballots being "found," literacy testing, physical intimidation, or turning out the graveyard vote, has been a staple of American elections. What is now possible, as this article reports, is corruption on a scale hitherto unimaginable, fostered by partisan and corporate forces that apparently cannot be held accountable.

Under these circumstances the civic obligation to vote has been turned into a vacuous ritual. Local and state-wide elections may still be fair in many places. But if what Messrs. Fitrakis and Wasserman report is correct, then the meaningful participation of the citizenry in national governance seems to have been lost irretrievably.
+13 # Observer 47 2016-11-20 14:33
It was obvious in 2000 that voting had become a "vacuous ritual." It was even more blatant in 2004. But the Dems rolled over, the media didn't cover the fraud, and so it goes. Until the corporations are taken out of the voting process, elections will be decided by the party who has better hackers.
+2 # westomoon 2016-11-21 10:54
"The Dems rolled over"?

WE rolled over -- and so far, we still are. We should be making stinks in our own communities. We're the ones being robbed.
+8 # ptalady 2016-11-20 14:50
I am not even sure of local elections anymore, especially state ballot measures that would have national impact, like GMO labels, pharmaceutical price-fixing, etc.
+1 # westomoon 2016-11-21 10:58
It's easier to regard it as irretrievable, I guess -- certainly easier than getting off one's butt and figuring out what to do about it personally.

It seems to me that counties are the place to start -- small enough to respond to groups of irate and determined citizens with clear demands, and also the level where the mechanics of elections are run.

Citizens could demand that their representatives be allowed to review all last-minute changes to voter rolls, all uncounted ballots and the reasons for their non-counting, and to bring in a couple outside IT firms to independently review the machine-cetific ation process.
+9 # stoher9 2016-11-20 11:22
Can't wait to hear from all the Hillary haters that this is how she won over Bernie. It makes no difference to the final outcome of the Presidential Election who the Democrats nominated. The fix was already in, in the 30 states controlled by Republicans.Any hope of honest elections can only occur with paper ballots & hand counting.
+15 # AshamedAmerican 2016-11-20 12:25
Very well. Much of "this is how she won over Bernie".

On this occasion, crime did not pay for the Clintons. But it is we (and especially posterity, and various contemporary foreign populations) that will continue to pay for their crimes, and those of their friends like the Bushes and Trump.

I agree that "any hope of honest elections can only occur with paper ballots & hand counting". But how can any entity arise above TPTB to make that happen?

The corporate media conditions us to vote for the most corrupt as only they are "electable. Only the most corrupt are elected. And corrupt Secretaries of State are the ones in charge of counting the votes. And of course there are numerous layers of corruption in between the conditioning and the count.

Maybe we could think more clearly, in order to come up with a solution, if we quit pretending this is something other than a fascist plutocracy.
+8 # ptalady 2016-11-20 13:53
Agreed: we are probably much farther down the drain than is generally recognized; might as well admit it.

But what makes you so sure it was the Clintons who pulled the maneuvers against Bernie? Wasn't that more likely the work of the very same hackers, who for whatever reason wanted Hillary as the final Democratic candidate?
+7 # ptalady 2016-11-20 14:01
I recently watched cnn with interest -- the Friday night wrap-up. Didn't the Donald look freaked out as he emerged from his extra-long briefing with Obama? Clutched his wife's hand like a little boy!! Maybe it is the outgoing president's job to display the "blackmail" collateral to the incoming guy to let him know: "they" are now and forevermore will be standing on your neck, so..,, don 't try any funny stuff!!
+8 # ptalady 2016-11-20 14:20
I mean, as odious as he is, I would not put it past him to participate in election fraud --a classic repo dirty trick to loudly accuse one's foe of the malfeasance you yourself have underway. Still, Trump seems completely repugnant to the repo party leaders in style. Did they really give him the keys to the hack??? Maybe he too is merely a patsy in the scheme: let him be the buffoon out front, diverting attention from the real activity of TPTB.... After all, even though it was NOT said by [liberal pundit] it apparently takes only one bullet.... Let it not find one of the true rulers!
+5 # westomoon 2016-11-21 10:46
Don't forget the "down ballot" results, too -- thanks to this rigging, the Rs now control all branches of Federal govt, plus a substantial majority of State governments -- where election laws are made. In some ways, the Presidency is small potatoes compared to what else was won.
+2 # lfeuille 2016-11-20 18:03
The DNC did it. The DNC was in Hillary's pocket. They were not secretly working for any hackers.

+4 # AshamedAmerican 2016-11-20 23:22
You are right, ptalady. I am sure of very little. There were many types and instances of election fraud. Given that HRC represented the 1% so well and consistently, there are countless possible entities that may have taken part in cheating for her to the detriment of the Sanders campaign.
+1 # westomoon 2016-11-21 10:51
"But how can any entity arise above TPTB to make that happen? "

We are "the Great Beast," feared by the Founders and currently under assault by the R party.

Elections are run by Counties. Counties are small enough that they feel the pressure of citizen groups, especially determined ones. Even if the State set election laws, counties could be pressured by the Great Beast to allow citizen oversight of several key areas -- last minute changes to voter rolls, uncounted ballots, and the neutral functioning of voting and/or counting machines. That's just a start, but it's a big start. And we're the ones to make it happen.
+3 # lfeuille 2016-11-20 18:01
No, She lost the election dispite winning the popular vote because she lost a key voting block that Obama won. Bernie would have won it and won the election even with the electoral college.
+3 # ptalady 2016-11-21 03:21
It is as though you did not read the article. The vote count reported did not represent voters actually voting. They were made up by a computer hack. Get it? So it is really not a question of persuading certain voters of anything. Plus, mainstream media exit polls are designed to follow the vote tally, not to challenge it. So there is no widely accepted accurate count if who really voted for either candidate. But the available evidence suggests that the number of votes for Hillary was even higher than reported in the MSM, and would have carried not only the popular vote, but the electoral vote as well.
+12 # moreover 2016-11-20 11:33
This info should be worked into a TED or TEDx talk where it could have the potential to reach a large audience. Note that the license to organize TEDx (=independent) events is generously given, making it easy to pull off. Any organization who has it together could pull it off. Just be sure to have superb production values so that it works for video which is our main audience -and of course that the talks themselves are top notch.
0 # westomoon 2016-11-21 10:42
Why does everyone here assume that it's someone else's job to address this horrendous problem?
-3 # HowardMH 2016-11-20 12:10
A headline on Daily KOS:

Trump issues a warning for Obama—stop talking to the rest of the world, it's mine now.

Now Obama the Wimp is going to continue to suck up to Trump and give him more help than any other incoming president ever got from the outgoing president, because Trump is way behind. No F***ing wonder the Democrats lost – can they possibly get any stupider.
+9 # suzyskier 2016-11-20 13:16
That is because Obama is an honorable man and will do his best to leave his office with integrity. You know as well as I that he can't bear Trump. He is being Presidential more than anyone could ever say of the Dumpster!
+2 # westomoon 2016-11-21 10:41
It's also because Obama understands the job -- and basic civics -- and Trump doesn't.

And because Obama is trying to buffer the country's welfare against the coming of the barbarians.

You sound like one of the folks who admires Trump because he's "strong" -- meaning pugnacious and profoundly ignorant.
+11 # kath 2016-11-20 12:14
Certainly voter disenfranchisin g is always deplorable. On the other hand, there's a certain karmic justice that it happened to Clinton, who, reports say, did the same thing to Sanders voters in the primaries.
+4 # ptalady 2016-11-20 13:28
The article provides details on who owns access to black boxes, rip-n-strip software, etc.: right-wing thugs. The article does not mention any sort of duplicate hacking system, one for each party. The article does not say that control of them is generally available for hire. It seems more likely to me that Hillary won the primaries because she was the candidate chosen by the thugs who own the hack. This would be a useful lever against her challenging the veracity of the final presidential election: if you fight to expose the hack of the November election, it will also expose that you were not even the legitimate candidate. Does't that sound like good insurance?

I suppose this was used against President Obama as well.
+2 # ptalady 2016-11-20 13:46
I binge-watched Breaking Bad over the summer: a truly fascinating show! One of the most riveting parts was the use of "crowd-funded" web programs to launder money. The innocent, loving son set up a crowd-finding effort around "my dad has cancer and needs $$$$$ for treatment."Then the crook could run thousands of dollars through the website disguised as thousands of fake supporters for the humanitarian "cover story": and loving son never had a clue! He just thought his campaign was really successful. When he found out, he was so crestfallen and shocked....

Does it ring any bells???? The complete surprise candidate coming from obscurity on a wave of multitudes of small donations of support???? Too pleased with sudden success to really question where the success was coming from??

And why then do these amazing "Davids" fail to follow through or fight the obvious corruption in the election system, Guantanamo, black sites across the globe etc etc etc??? Here is my hypothesis: Because they are owned!! The very ground on which they could stand to make such claims can be ripped from under them at any moment by exposing the fraud that got them elected. I mean that would be in addition to the more traditional thug tactics of threatening family members, etc.
+10 # Diane_Wilkinson_Trefethen_aka_tref 2016-11-20 13:30
Quoting kath:
Certainly voter disenfranchising is always deplorable. On the other hand, there's a certain karmic justice that it happened to Clinton, who, reports say, did the same thing to Sanders voters in the primaries.
Unfortunately, this isn't justice, karmic or otherwise. The most important reason HRC lost was because of her own arrogance. "SURE the Republicans are pre-rigging the primaries in MY favor but when the General Election comes, they wouldn't DARE do that to me." The Queen Bitch should have protested the closed polling places, the pre-election switching of voter registrations, the purging of voters in pro-Sanders strongholds but did she? Hell no! Those same Republicans that screwed her in the General, screwed Sanders in the Dem Primary AND SHE SUBORNED THEIR FRAUD, not because she loves Republican fraud but because she was so freaking arrogant that she just KNEW it wouldn't happen to her, like the religious right KNOWS that a zygote has a soul and is therefore a human being.

Why do you think she conceded so readily? Why isn't the Dem party filing lawsuits demanding recounts and the counting of provisional ballots? Because they are up to their eyeballs in that fraud. They condoned it when it suited them and IF there are lawsuits and IF the fraud is exposed, it will also expose Clinton's and the DNC's defrauding of Sanders.

So they keep their mouths shut.
-11 # Thomas0008 2016-11-20 17:29
not to mention sanders being a fraud also. Seems he gave up quickly without a challenge also, knowing full well he was ripped off. We need to drain the swamp alright. Starting with trump and including 99% of everyone in office right now. BOTH PARTIES !!!
+1 # ericlipps 2016-11-20 21:10
What evidence do you have that Republicans were rigging Democratic primaries for Hillary Clinton? Do you really think they were so terrified of Bernie Sanders that they would risk the election of a woman they've been trying for more than twenty years to get sent to prison?
+3 # ptalady 2016-11-21 01:38
I think they do not fear elections or election results because they control them. The challenge is to set it up as a good show, and one with sufficient plausibility to deflect generalized suspicion.
+1 # HahliHohli 2016-11-21 14:00
GREAT POST, thank you Diane!
+2 # westomoon 2016-11-24 12:39
Jill Stein and the Greens have agreed to be the ones to start doing something -- right now, this minute. She'll be requesting vote recounts (and investigations) in WI, PA, and MI. (Only a candidate can do this.)

If you feel like doing something more constructive than whining about the Dems, you can contribute at

This fund has shot from $0 to nearly $4 million in less than 24 hours. That's more than enough to file, and more than half the total costs. It's happening!
+3 # ericlipps 2016-11-20 21:07
Quoting kath:
Certainly voter disenfranchising is always deplorable. On the other hand, there's a certain karmic justice that it happened to Clinton, who, reports say, did the same thing to Sanders voters in the primaries.

"Reports" can "say" anything. But is what they say true just because they say it and it's what you want to believe?
+3 # westomoon 2016-11-21 10:35
Did you read the article? There's a discussion of the probability of the distribution of Clinton wins.

And, of course, the fact that EVERY caucus State was won, and won big, by Bernie. That is one vote count that's done live, and openly, in the presence of the voters.
+20 # 2016-11-20 13:31
it will only get worse unless there's a mass movement for hand counted paper ballots, etc.

all those years spent yelling at ralph nader....imagin e if there'd been a mass movement born then to give us an actual democratic election system....
+2 # westomoon 2016-11-24 12:40
Jill Stein and the Greens have agreed to be the ones to start doing something -- right now, this minute. She'll be requesting vote recounts (and investigations) in WI, PA, and MI. (Only candidate can do this.)

If you feel like doing something more constructive than whining about the Dems, you can contribute at

This fund has shot from $0 to nearly $4 million in less than 24 hours. That's more than enough to file, and more than half the total costs. It's happening!
0 # sportyk9 2016-11-20 14:19
Why would Hillary Clinton just step aside if voter fraud was what kept her from winning? I believe there is voter fraud but I can't understand Dems doing nothing about it.
+5 # Observer 47 2016-11-20 14:40
Same reason Gore stepped aside: he knew the fix was in.

Besides, it's fairly likely that HRC cheated to win the primaries, so she doesn't want that fraud exposed.
+2 # ptalady 2016-11-20 14:44
Perhaps because exposing the November fraud would also expose that her own candidacy was gained through fraud as well in the primaries, which no candidate would want to expose.

I agree, though, I was really disappointed by the speed with which she conceded the election. I was hoping she really did have the arrogance of which she is "accused" and that it would lead her to fight the fraud of the final election. However, even aside from my surmise about fraud behind her own candidacy, the clintons control huge gobs of money; and money loves stability above all else.
+2 # lfeuille 2016-11-20 18:13
First of all, we are talking about election fraud, not voter fraud. But there is nothing that can be done about it. There are no laws that can stop the process leading to the inauguration for long enough to conduct an investigation. Obama has to leave on Jan. 20. The Electoral College has to meet next month to elect Trump. The only shot is to convince the Electoral College not to elect Trump anyway. That would be constitutional, but I just don't believe enough of them would do it to make it work. They are all partisans who either want Trump to win or don't want to set a precedent that can be used against them in the future.

The state of election law is really atrocious. There just is no recourse.
+1 # westomoon 2016-11-21 10:31
No recourse? We all live in counties (or parishes), where the mechanics of elections are conducted.

It's not hard for a group of people to pressure county government. If they were genuinely determined to start cleaning up the electoral process, what could they demand to start with? A bi- or non-partisan citizens' committee to review all last-minute changes to voter rolls? Two local IT companies to verify that computerized voting or counting machines were working properly? A citizens' committee to review all uncounted ballots and the reasons for their non-counting? The roots of this stuff already exist in the process for doing a recount, which always involves observers from each party.

We can't just sit back and say "too hard" on this one. This is about the vote itself.
+2 # Cassandra2012 2016-11-22 00:08
But what makes you think rural counties aren't corrupt? For ex., in one that I know about the "City Atty." owns his own firm from which most other lawyers get their work... the fix in in because of the allowed conflict of interest -- no way to get real or honest justice on things. And the system is so brazen that everyone lies, and gets away with it, from the cops on up... and if you are an outsider -- i.e,, your family hasn't lived in that county for several generations, it doesn't matter if YOU are telling the truth, only the "locals" win.
+1 # Robbee 2016-11-20 14:39
"a ban on corporate money in politics" is a shell game - so long as b/millionaires can spend money buying politicians - or spend their own money on their own campaigns

think public funding, only - sorry!

Fitrakis and Wasserman? don't you have better things to do than propose a shell game? - stick to paperr ballots - things you have thought out more carefully!
+2 # Observer 47 2016-11-20 14:42
Gee, Harvey and Bob, if your girl Hillary hadn't rigged the primaries, Bernie would have been the nominee. Then the general election vote would have been so overwhelmingly in his favor, manipulating it would have been orders of magnitude more difficult.
-4 # ericlipps 2016-11-20 21:15

(1) Even Bernie has said he doesn't think he was robbed. You take everything else he says as God's word; why not this?

(2)I don't know what you're smoking, but it must be pretty potent stuff if you think someone who raced around the country during the primaries insisting he was a socialist would have had a prayer in the general election.
0 # Ken Halt 2016-11-23 20:46
Eric: Exit polls taken during the general election showed Bernie would have beaten DT by double digits. Some things don't change, you were wrong during the primaries, you're wrong now.
-14 # RNLDaWy 2016-11-20 16:25
Whine bitch moan bitch moan whine .. maybe the Dem Party should get on the side of real people again .. and not disproven climate change scherade .. those two faults showing how off base they are .. lead to the defeat ... and so the big pop bases should then tell the rest of the country? On west and east coasts only? Then two czars one for the 'country one for da 'city .. would be a better solution ..
0 # westomoon 2016-11-24 12:40
Jill Stein and the Greens have agreed to be the ones to start doing something -- right now, this minute. She'll be requesting vote recounts (and investigations) in WI, PA, and MI. (Only candidate can do this.)

If you feel like doing something more constructive than whining about the Dems, you can contribute at

This fund has shot from $0 to nearly $4 million in less than 24 hours. That's more than enough to file, and more than half the total costs. It's happening!
+2 # Thomas0008 2016-11-20 16:52
What a waste of good cyber ink. Analyzing the rip off of an election, where neither candidate, should have ever been the position, to be elected in the first place. Anyone know where I can get a cheap ticket to another planet?
+5 # lfeuille 2016-11-20 18:15
There will be other elections. It should be fixed for the future. This one was a no win proposition but the next one might not be.
+1 # westomoon 2016-11-21 10:14
Well, this piece also analyzes the primaries that led to the two options available.

The R party these days can't be expected to produce rational results of any kind, but did you miss the part where the authors demonstrated how Hillary jiggered the mechanics to win?

Are you saying it's easier to go to another planet than to work on fixing what's wrong? Then you're the problem, just as much as any political party.
+7 # RicKelis 2016-11-20 18:33
Here are some of the articles calling for investigations today:

The NSA Chief Says Russia Hacked the 2016 Election. Congress Must Investigate.
Top Democrat calls for investigation into Russia's role in US election
Loretta Lynch: Justice Dept. to Investigate Post-Election Hate Crime Spike

Lindsey Graham calls on Congress to investigate Russia over U.S. election meddling

Electoral College Map Results 2016: The Difference And Feasibility Between An Election Audit And Election Recount, What You Can Do
-19 # Depressionborn 2016-11-20 18:33
button up buttercup,

As the snowflakes begin to fall across the nation, the progressives continue to melt down in fear and trembling at the prospect of the new administration doing things like enforcing the rule of law, returning to Constitutional Government and appointing men and women of integrity to positions of influence.
+5 # ericlipps 2016-11-20 21:16
Which administration would that be? Surely not that of Donald J. Trump.
-5 # Depressionborn 2016-11-21 20:12
then you agree, ericlipps, with the things. That's a start, thanks
+2 # Salus Populi 2016-11-22 14:47
"appointing men and women of integrity to positions of influence" -- like Steve Bannon, , Mike Flynn, Jeff Sessions, Rudi Giuliani, Newt Gingrich.....

... maybe David Duke a little later in the term.....
0 # mashiguo 2016-11-21 06:21
the person responsible for flipping votes is hillary.
her strategy of movibg sharply to the right while taking progressives for granted allowed trump to perform a classic encirclement, flanking her on the left and the right.

the electoral college game is rigged, and always has been.
funny how not much was done about it before.
its long past time to throw it out.
the rest of the problems will soon evaporate once EC votes can no longer be manipulated by them.
+2 # westomoon 2016-11-21 10:21
the rest of the problems will soon evaporate once EC votes can no longer be manipulated

You just skimmed this piece, didn't you.

Do you actually think that the Rs will not want to rig the electoral process so they have majorities in State and Federal legsilatures?
0 # mashiguo 2016-11-22 06:28
You just skimmed this piece, didn't you.

do the math
0 # truthwinsalways 2016-11-21 07:55
Democratic party no longer represents interests of average American. We lost our constituency by allowing NAFTA, illegal immigrants to keep wages down and allowing corporations to take our jobs off shore and perpetual undeclared wars.Also, Bernie Sanders was a much better candidate to challenge Trump
-1 # Cassandra2012 2016-11-22 00:15
And just exactly how would YOU have stopped the trickle of jobs that e.g., Trump took offshore? Would you have forced him to buy American mattresses and American steel etc. ? HOW?
+2 # westomoon 2016-11-21 10:07
Not sure we can rely on any elected official to correct this problem for us -- we are asking them to question the existential roots of their own jobs. The solution doesn't lie with "Them," the politicos, but with "Us," the citizens.

This may have to be fought from the bottom up, maybe at the County level, or maybe even precinct by precinct.

Think about how you'd start -- it's pretty easy for a group of people to apply pressure at the County level.

But you will also find in yourself a reluctance to look silly, to make a stink about something that people will tell you you don't understand, to look like a tin-foil-hat loon. It's easier to get pissed at the political parties than to run for precinct captain, and then run to get sent to your State's party convention, and start changing a political party yourself.

But this is the franchise itself that is slipping away from us. We can't just sit back and say "Tsk, tsk" because somebody else hasn't fixed the problem. We know it's there -- it's up to us to start the ball rolling.
+1 # CaptD 2016-11-21 12:57
I believe that the DNC sold the US out and we are seeing only the surface of the 2016 election "funny business".

The 1% have won and everyone that is against Trump better realize that he is just the front man for the 1% who are now positioned to even better entrench themselves as our Rulers.

Protesting against the Trump "WIN" is actually making things worse since now MSM (which is owned by the 1%) can point to all those protesting as being against the laws of the US Government.

If all the "political crybabies" stopped protesting and started to get really active in local and national politics, then we might have a chance to totally overhaul the DNC by allowing Bernie to oversee its replacement. This effort would also force the MSM to cover events instead of large "Protests" that many of US think are being funded to create yet more HATE in the USA.

Donald Trump is going to be President, so all of US need to get behind him and thereby urge him to do what is best for all of US instead of just those that are supporting him against all those that are protesting his election.

Time to begin to plan for the 2018 elections and register everyone that can vote during the next election!

Remember that the 1% can easily outspend the rest of US, so that getting people to vote is even more important than donating since candidates need to motivate voters not fatten their own campaign fund.

Good Luck to US
0 # mashiguo 2016-11-22 06:31
the dnc doesnt need to be overhauled
it needs to be shredded
like the name 'adolf hitler' it is no longer useful
-2 # Caliban 2016-11-22 17:26
If the name "adolf hitler" is "no longer useful", why do so many people (including you?) still use it at all?
+2 # westomoon 2016-11-24 12:08

Jill Stein has agreed to spearhead an effort to require a recount of votes in WI, PA, and MI -- only a candidate can request it. You can (and should) contribute at .

Since the funding effort was started less than 24 hours ago, it has grown from 0 to nearly $4 million. (Total estimated costs for this are $7 million -- for three States! -- another problem in itself.)

And Wisconsin is a great place to start this ball rolling. If you used any of the links in this article, you know that Richard Hayes Phillips reported this from Wisconsin:

"Voter turnout, according to the latest unofficial figures, was highest in Sauk County, at 92.28% countywide (34,323 ballots cast, 37,195 registered voters). Upon closer examination, these numbers are not credible.

In the City of Baraboo, Sauk County, according to the latest numbers posted on official government websites, there were 8,390 ballots cast, and 6,923 registered voters, which equates to a voter turnout of 121.19%."

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