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Palast writes: "Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives."

Investigative reporter Greg Palast. (photo: Greg Palast's Website)
Investigative reporter Greg Palast. (photo: Greg Palast's Website)

The Election Was Stolen - Here's How

By Greg Palast,

13 November 16


Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives.

tarting in 2013 – just as the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act – a coterie of Trump operatives, under the direction of Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State, created a system to purge 1.1 million Americans of color from the voter rolls of GOP–controlled states.

The system, called Crosscheck, is detailed in my Rolling Stone report, “The GOP’s Stealth War on Voters,” 8/24/2016.

Crosscheck in action:

Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922
Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824
Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393

On Tuesday, we saw Crosscheck elect a Republican Senate and as President, Donald Trump. The electoral putsch was aided by nine other methods of attacking the right to vote of Black, Latino and Asian-American voters, methods detailed in my book and film, including “Caging,” “purging,” blocking legitimate registrations, and wrongly shunting millions to “provisional” ballots that will never be counted.

Trump signaled the use of “Crosscheck” when he claimed the election is “rigged” because “people are voting many, many times.” His operative Kobach, who also advised Trump on building a wall on the southern border, devised a list of 7.2 million “potential” double voters—1.1 million of which were removed from the voter rolls by Tuesday. The list is loaded overwhelmingly with voters of color and the poor. Here's a sample of the list

Those accused of criminal double voting include, for example, Donald Alexander Webster Jr. of Ohio who is accused of voting a second time in Virginia as Donald EUGENE Webster SR.

Note: Watch the four-minute video summary of Crosscheck. The investigation and explanation of these methods of fixing the vote can be found in my book and film, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: a Tale of Billionaires & Ballot Bandits (2016).

No, not everyone on the list loses their vote. But this was not the only racially poisonous tactic that accounted for this purloined victory by Trump and GOP candidates.

For example, in the swing state of North Carolina, it was reported that 6,700 Black folk lost their registrations because their registrations had been challenged by a group called Voter Integrity Project (VIP). VIP sent letters to households in Black communities “do not forward.” If the voter had moved within the same building, or somehow did not get their mail (e.g. if their name was not on a mail box), they were challenged as “ghost” voters. GOP voting officials happily complied with VIP with instant cancellation of registrations.

The 6,700 identified in two counties were returned to the rolls through a lawsuit. However, there was not one mention in the press that VIP was also behind Crosscheck in North Carolina; nor that its leader, Col. Jay Delancy, whom I’ve tracked for years has previously used this vote thievery, known as “caging,” for years. Doubtless the caging game was wider and deeper than reported. And by the way, caging, as my Rolling Stone co-author, attorney Robert F. Kennedy Jr., tells me, is “a felony, it’s illegal, and punishable by high fines and even jail time.”

There is still much investigation to do. For example, there are millions of “provisional” ballots, “spoiled” (invalidated) ballots and ballots rejected from the approximately 30 million mailed in. Unlike reporting in Britain, US media does not report the ballots that are rejected and tossed out—because, after all, as Joe Biden says, “Our elections are the envy of the world.” Only in Kazakhstan, Joe.

While there is a great deal of work to do, much documentation still to analyze, we’ll have to pry it from partisan voting chiefs who stamp the scrub lists, Crosscheck lists and ballot records, “confidential.”

But, the evidence already in our hands makes me sadly confident in saying, Jim Crow, not the voters, elected Mr. Trump.

What about those exit polls?

Exit polls are the standard by which the US State Department measures the honesty of foreign elections. Exit polling is, historically, deadly accurate. The bane of pre-election polling is that pollsters must adjust for the likelihood of a person voting. Exit polls solve the problem.

But three times in US history, pollsters have had to publicly flagellate themselves for their “errors.” In 2000, exit polls gave Al Gore the win in Florida; in 2004, exit polls gave Kerry the win in Ohio, and now, in swing states, exit polls gave the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

So how could these multi-million-dollar Ph.d-directed statisticians with decades of experience get exit polls so wrong?

Answer: they didn’t. The polls in Florida in 2000 were accurate. That’s because exit pollsters can only ask, “How did you vote?” What they don’t ask, and can’t, is, “Was your vote counted.”

In 2000, in Florida, GOP Secretary of State Katherine Harris officially rejected 181,173 ballots, as “spoiled” because their chads were hung and other nonsense excuses. Those ballots overwhelmingly were marked for Al Gore. The exit polls included those 181,173 people who thought they had voted – but their vote didn’t count. In other words, the exit polls accurately reflected whom the voters chose, not what Katherine Harris chose.

In 2004, a similar number of votes were invalidated (including an enormous pile of “provisional” ballots) by Ohio’s GOP Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell. Again, the polls reflected that Kerry was the choice of 51% of the voters. But the exit polls were “wrong” because they didn’t reflect the ballots invalidated by Blackwell.

Notably, two weeks after the 2004 US election, the US State Department refused the recognize the Ukraine election results because the official polls contradicted the exit polls.

And here we go again. 2016: Hillary wins among those queried as they exit the polling station—yet Trump is declared winner in GOP-controlled swings states. And, once again, the expert pollsters are forced to apologize—when they should be screaming, “Fraud! Here’s the evidence the vote was fixed!”

Now there’s a new trope to explain away the exit polls that gave Clinton the win. Supposedly, Trump voters were ashamed to say they voted for Trump. Really? ON WHAT PLANET? For Democracy Now! and Rolling Stone I was out in several swing states. In Ohio, yes, a Black voter may have been reluctant to state support for Trump. But a white voter in the exurbs of Dayton, where the Trump signs grew on lawns like weeds, and the pews of the evangelical mega churches were slathered with Trump and GOP brochures, risked getting spat on if they even whispered, “Hillary.”

This country is violently divided, but in the end, there simply aren’t enough white guys to elect Trump nor a Republican Senate. The only way they could win was to eliminate the votes of non-white guys—and they did so by tossing Black provisional ballots into the dumpster, ID laws that turn away students—the list goes on. It’s a web of complex obstacles to voting by citizens of color topped by that lying spider, Crosscheck. your social media marketing partner


A note of caution regarding our comment sections:

For months a stream of media reports have warned of coordinated propaganda efforts targeting political websites based in the U.S., particularly in the run-up to the 2016 presidential election.

We too were alarmed at the patterns we were, and still are, seeing. It is clear that the provocateurs are far more savvy, disciplined, and purposeful than anything we have ever experienced before.

It is also clear that we still have elements of the same activity in our article discussion forums at this time.

We have hosted and encouraged reader expression since the turn of the century. The comments of our readers are the most vibrant, best-used interactive feature at Reader Supported News. Accordingly, we are strongly resistant to interrupting those services.

It is, however, important to note that in all likelihood hardened operatives are attempting to shape the dialog our community seeks to engage in.

Adapt and overcome.

Marc Ash
Founder, Reader Supported News

+235 # grandlakeguy 2016-11-13 12:09
Greg, thank you for your years of work on the issue of stolen elections!
Until the American people wake up and acknowledge the fact that our elections are hopelessly corrupted (in so many ways beyond what you have described above) we will never have any chance of enjoying a progressive government.
+64 # Adoregon 2016-11-13 16:10
U.S.F. U.S.F. U.S.F.

The United States of Fraud
+2 # Douglas Jack 2016-11-14 11:44
Adoregon, In this 'expose', Greg Palast is forced by the limits of article words & reader ability to digest, to focus upon only Donald Duck's (similar anger-fits) recent Republican fraud. Palast's previous work over decades, have statistically analyzed Democratic party ongoing fraud. So we can be sure that there is no democracy in the USA. The Finance-Media-E ducation-Milita ry-Industrial-L egislative-Comp lex is in complete control of every aspect of this colonial oligarch fraud/lie.

Ever since the 1st ships, paid for by oligarchs, came to (didn't discover) the Americas following clearly established documentation by Portuguese fishermen, the oligarch plan has been world hegemony through the profits of colonial theft, genocide, extraction & exploitation. Oligarchs follow 'command-&-cont rol' lineage coming down through 7000 years of colonization, through Phoenicia-Israe l, Assyria, Greece, Rome & Europe since the destruction of once 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generatin g') Babylon's Polyculture Orchards.

Humanity's 'indigenous' ancestors for many 10s of 1000s of years, had economic-democr acy within 100 person multihome-dwell ing-complexes (eg. Longhouse/apart ment, Pueblo/townhous e & Kanata/village) & specialized Production-Soci ety/Guilds. Before one can have political democracy, one must have a foundation of popular shared 'economy' (Greek 'oikos' = 'home' + 'namein' = 'care-&-nurture '). acy
-2 # Douglas Jack 2016-11-14 12:27
Donald Duck 1938 Self Control
+2 # madame de farge 2016-11-15 08:29
Fabulous, somebody at Disney in 1938 was sick of the Positive/Prospe rity preachers on the radio....
-2 # Douglas Jack 2016-11-15 10:11
madame de farge, “I tell thee,” said madame, extending her right hand, for emphasis, “that although it is a long time on the road, it is on the road and coming. I tell thee it never retreats, and never stops. I tell thee it is always advancing. Look around and consider the lives of all the world that we know, consider the faces of all the world that we know, consider the rage and discontent to which the Jacquerie addresses itself with more and more of certainty every hour. Can such things last? Bah! I mock you."

You've identified Donald Duck Trump's exact Positive/Prospe rity preacher political character & presidential theme. Donald Duck & Trump both share the inherent inner conflict between who they want to appear to be & who they really are, spoiled, institutionaliz ed wannabes. The oligarchs who chose Donald T over Hillary C therefore have this same operating theme for this presidency.

Delisted millions of coloured voters, who've lost their right-to-vote over soft-drugs, non-violent-cri mes & a prison-system designed for profit, strategic many hours long voting lines in poor areas, Gerrymandered ridings, programmed-unve rifiable computerized voting machines, nor the 6 families who control all MSMedia across the nation are command & control oligarch strategies in place since the nations false genocidal beginnings against 1st Nation hosts who fed, clothed, housed & healed European refugees for decades. https://sites. /indigenecommun ity/relational- economy
+55 # grandlakeguy 2016-11-13 17:37
I urge EVERYONE to study up on this issue!

Visit these excellent websites:

Until the day comes that we have honest and verifiable elections we can never have a progressive government!

and look at this:
-61 # MidwesTom 2016-11-13 20:11
I read that there are 46,000 people registered to vote in both NY and FL. I can see how this can happen, my own daughter moved from Illinois to Maryland, she is now registered in both places. Without purges in Illinois, she could absentee vote here, and in person there, and nobody would know the difference. Literally anyone who relocates could easily vote twice.

If everyone had a government issued photo ID with a barcode, today's computers could catch the double registered. Until then we have to continue to purge people who cannot be found.
-62 # Skyelav 2016-11-13 20:32
well interestingly enough the "liberals" scream the loudest at requiring voter IDs...
+40 # lfeuille 2016-11-13 20:49
It is only voter fraud if they actually try to vote in both places. The problems is the election officials who do not make sure the a person is deleted when they report that they have move out of state.
+4 # madame de farge 2016-11-15 08:32
It is easy enough for an automated purge file to be generated every time a new driver is added to the DMV... then they can be purged from any previous state DMV and Voter registration records. Question is why is not every driver automatically registered to vote?
+35 # Patriot 2016-11-13 21:04
When I registered in Kentucky, shortly after I moved here, I was asked where I had previously registered. Kentucky notified Tennessee that I had registered in Kentucky. To confirm, the next time I was in Tennessee--a few weeks later--I checked on my registration. Sure enough, it had been purged, as it should have been.

Anyone who is registered in two states can take care of the duplicte registration very simply--if they WANT to do so, are willing to make the effort, and even stop to think about cancelling their prior registration.

We do NOT need a national identify card to accomplish that! (Or anything else, except MORE control by the state.)

I just lost my wallet, including picture identification cards and a credit card. I'm very glad there wasn't also a national identify card in it, too!
+7 # librarian1984 2016-11-14 01:32
"I just lost my wallet"

Ugh, that is a rotten ordeal. Sorry.
0 # Patriot 2016-11-16 22:11
Thanks, Lib--but the Gods smiled on me and I found in a v-e-r-y tall stack of paperwork on my desk. Tells you how often I get out--been there since election day. Sigh.
+6 # Helen Marshall 2016-11-13 21:53
Simple. National registration.
+12 # Anonymot 2016-11-14 03:57
Hey, we could turn Clapper's 50 Billion dollar computer system into a national voter register.
+2 # librarian1984 2016-11-14 10:23
:-D Perfect.

Hey, if we don't trust the election computers, and we gauge their performance with exit polls, why don't we just vote by exit poll?
+23 # Caliban 2016-11-14 00:30
Based on what I have been reading, the country would get more accurate final results by letting your daughter and other doubly registered voters go to the trouble of double voting (should they feel like cheating) than to purge uncountable unnamed but legitimate voters by the illegal and immoral methods Greg Palast has described in such chilling detail.

Mr. Palast, do you have workable solutions for concerned Federal, State, and Local officials who sincerely want to clean this mess up?
-8 # America 2016-11-14 06:38
MidwesTom is right those who voted you down are ill informed and biased. Many 3rd world countries have voter cards. Plus the computer system and easily detect duplicates in a matter of nanoseconds. USA continues to trail in the use of proper technology and processes to automatically register only eligible voters.
+11 # kalpal 2016-11-14 11:22
So how many instances of such double voting has the government found? I bet that you know but you decline to mention that number because it would be inconvenient to do so.
+5 # ericlipps 2016-11-15 05:56
Quoting MidwesTom:
I read that there are 46,000 people registered to vote in both NY and FL. I can see how this can happen, my own daughter moved from Illinois to Maryland, she is now registered in both places. Without purges in Illinois, she could absentee vote here, and in person there, and nobody would know the difference. Literally anyone who relocates could easily vote twice.

If everyone had a government issued photo ID with a barcode, today's computers could catch the double registered. Until then we have to continue to purge people who cannot be found.

No doubt that explains purging people with different names who happen to be of the same ("wrong") race.
+37 # candida 2016-11-13 20:48
I wonder how many of the 4 million Democrats who did not show at the polls were victims of Crosscheck and the many other tactics? In Arizona, Pima County lost 62 polling places, the most of any county in the country. Cochise County also lost polling places, only one in the border city of Douglas with lines of hundreds waiting to vote. Both counties with high Mexican American populations. Not a word in the national corporate press that I know of.
+15 # Caliban 2016-11-14 00:41
#candida, how about something like the following, but from thousands of irate citizens?

Dear Arizona Department of Public Safety, would you please launch an official investigation into suspected election fraud in your state, please?

For the good of the nation, as well as your fine state.
+3 # Buddha 2016-11-16 12:43
Media polling of all those protesters in the streets AFTER the election against Trump? 60% of them didn't vote, and that is a vote that didn't happen for HRC because the Democrats a long time ago stopped giving the working class or union members a reason to vote for them. That is why Trump won the election. The election fraud the GOP engaged in might mathematically have made the difference for those who DID vote, but wouldn't have succeeded in influencing the election if the Dems hadn't sealed their own fate for pimping neo-liberalism. In a sense, Bill and Obama and the pro-Oligarchic choices they made were what made HRC impossible to elect.
+57 # 2016-11-13 12:45
The two party system is ridiculous. We need 5 parties, at least. The false dichotomy of America has never existed, and once again we were all forced to pick between the least evil of two lessers.

The false choice between a Republican (Clinton) and a Wacko left most everyone with no where to go and totally unable to express their viewpoint because a vote for their ​actual ​beliefs was somehow traitorous to the "other side."

We in Florida ("America's Joke State") knew that we had to turn out, but Stein was unelectable and Johnson was clueless.

Too bad they didn't give us a Democrat to vote for...​

+25 # Radscal 2016-11-13 14:26
San Francisco's Exploratorium put together a fantastic explanation of various voting systems and the inevitable paradoxes created.
+7 # Patriot 2016-11-13 21:37
Thanks, Radscal. It will take me a while to digest, not having a mathematical turn of mind, but those several paradoxes are disconcerting, to say the least. I don't think I'd like to have a mathematical program decide who we have elected, whether by ranked choice or by instant runoff--at least, I gather that that is what happens.

Can you (or anyone else) recommend anything I could read that would educate me better than my own feeble inferences have? If I'm ever given a chance to choose, I'd like to be sure that I know what it is that I'm choosing!
+4 # Radscal 2016-11-14 03:06
My brain is still trying to absorb that video, too.

It looks like the only democratic system without paradoxes is the Iroquois Confederacy method. Unanimous decision or nothing happens.
+41 # Adoregon 2016-11-13 16:12
Get the choice of "none of the above" on all ballots for elective office.

If "none of the above" wins, a new slate of candidates must be offered.
+22 # dquandle 2016-11-13 16:53
Or even better, people should be given the ability to explicitly vote against a candidate, and if no candidate comes up with a positive number of votes, the whole stinking thing has to be redone, with new, actual, choices.
+8 # Radscal 2016-11-14 03:07
That's a great idea.
+28 # crispy 2016-11-13 16:33
A direct (popular )vote system with 2 election runs might be a solution. Voting in 2 steps,2-4 weeks apart,like in France, allows 4 or more small parties to compete in the 1st run, sort of a primary.
All parties with a certain % in polls (not sure what that is but it's low)participate , with EQUAL TIME, in ALL presidential debates for the 1st run.
ONLY the 2 top winners run for the 2nd part and - unfortunately - usually they are from the established parties, with MSM and money support. But Occasionally a 3rd party is in the second and final run (it happened about 16 y ago with M.Le Pen - Trumps equivalent - and she lost as left and right joined forces and rallied against her EXTREME views.)

NO SYSTEM IS PERFECT BUT OURS NOW, with the Electoral College and unlimited power of MONEY is banana-republic type!
Let's not forget we also NEED paper ballots.No more blackbox voting (Beverly Harris's term.)
+11 # Patriot 2016-11-13 21:41
I like this system, but then, I also like a system where, absent a winner of a clear majority, at least two of the various parties must form a coalition with which they can govern.

One of the things I see as a flw is the Constitutional provision that only Congress will make the rules that govern how it conducts itself. Kinda turns over the henhouse to the foxes, I think. I'd like to see the voters have an opportunity to approve or reject those rules!
+18 # tomr 2016-11-13 17:47
There is nothing in the constitution or anywhere requiring a 2 party system, and there obviously isn't one. You talked about Stein and Johnson! What we do have that naturally leads to 2 parties being dominant is a "winner-take-al l" system, rather than a parliamentary system. This IS enshrined in the constitution... and it sucks. So, once again, we have a portion of the population that have been (mostly) duped into voting against their own children. But THIS time, they won, so your children will suffer, too, as the pendulum swings all the way toward science denial of various types. Hope you like toxic waste. Yum yum!
+10 # Diane_Wilkinson_Trefethen_aka_tref 2016-11-14 02:21
Quoting tomr:
What we do have that naturally leads to 2 parties being dominant is a "winner-take-all" system, rather than a parliamentary system. This IS enshrined in the constitution.
No it is not in the Constitution. There is NOTHING there requiring a state to allocate all its Electoral College votes to one candidate.
+12 # sus453 2016-11-13 18:41
Stein may not have been "electable", but Green Party is far from "Wacko".
-4 # Brice 2016-11-14 16:44
I so agree with that. Some of the Greens are a bit much, but some of any group are a little off. The Greens have a peaceful Progressive agenda that makes a lot of sense and I subscribe to about 98% of it .... BUT I would never vote Green as long as it is a waste of my vote.

That 1% that Jill Stein got would have kept Trump out of office.

I also blame Jill Stein for knowing she was going to lose for an absolute dead certainty and not at the last minute urging her supporters to vote for Hillary Clinton to get some of their agenda instead of losing everything to Donald Trump.
-7 # ericlipps 2016-11-15 05:58
Quoting Brice:
I so agree with that. Some of the Greens are a bit much, but some of any group are a little off. The Greens have a peaceful Progressive agenda that makes a lot of sense and I subscribe to about 98% of it .... BUT I would never vote Green as long as it is a waste of my vote.

That 1% that Jill Stein got would have kept Trump out of office.

I also blame Jill Stein for knowing she was going to lose for an absolute dead certainty and not at the last minute urging her supporters to vote for Hillary Clinton to get some of their agenda instead of losing everything to Donald Trump.

EXACTLY as Ralph Nader did in Florida in 2000, with similar results.
+2 # Brice 2016-11-16 20:51
It is hard to know whether to blame Nader ... one can, or to blame the FL election shenanigans and the Sec. Of State Katherine Harris and the whole backroom Republican shady dealers, right up to Jeb Bush for "delivering" Florida's vote, not to mention the Supreme Court. Without all the dishonesty Gore would have won, and he actually did win, so blaming Nader is unproductive, though accurate if you see it that way.

Currently, I don't know what to think of Nader as a political figure, not much is about it.
0 # Douglas Jack 2016-11-15 08:25
Brice & ericlipps, In COMMUNICATION PSYCHOLOGY & GAME THEORY (we all engage through rules), more attention is given to one's platform, when 2 or more participants talk, disagree or agree on the same issues. If John Kerry, Al Gore or Hillary Clinton understood communications, they'd embrace Ralph Nader & Dr. Jill Stein as allies & agents for similar positions & causes.

The main reason Kerry, Gore or Clinton as establishment war-oligarch chosen candidates couldn't embrace Nader & Stein as close allies, is because they're playing by oligarch chosen positions. Hillary adopted part of Bernie Sanders health-care & other policies. Finding common mission & policy requires active numerous debates for believability by voters. Republicans held 10 debates & 5 meetings for free media, while Democrats at Hillary's reluctance only 3.

Debate is a juxtaposition of logics, facts & figures requiring free-mind. Hillary can't go beyond script she's given to memorize & spout. Trillionaire oligarchs who own US Federal Reserve as major stock-holders, also determine US Finance-Media-E ducation-Milita ry-Industrial-L egislative-Comp lex policy over many 100s of years here & 1000s of years worldwide. Oligarchs by definition dictate to spokespersons like Trump or Clinton, whose speech becomes inconsistent/fl at.
+1 # Brice 2016-11-16 20:47
DJ, I am not sure if I agree or disagree with your statements, but I find that you seem to write this long condescending posts that define reality your own way. Who knows, you could be 100% right, but I don't think most people have the patience for it, and as soon as you say one thing that someone disagrees with you're lost that person and all the writing is a waste.

I'd feel much more interested in reading your posts if you could chop it down and just say what you mean without trying to drag me through your every perception about reality or establish authority. Arguments from authority are the bain of Internet comment boards because most people who claim authority are full of it? Right?

Combining all that of that with "hyperbolicry" such as "Trillionaire oligarchs" ... there are no trillionaires, undercuts your brand.

I just always remember by English teacher telling me to cut and cut and cut and just say what I mean.
-2 # Douglas Jack 2016-11-17 16:24
Brice, Do you mean 'hyperbole' rather than the invented word 'hyperbolicry" referring to 'exagerated-sta tements'? ? Do you use 'spell-check'?

RE: "most people who claim authority are full of it? Right?" If you disagree with my references, then refer to that part, whole or perceived logics, which you disagree with, citing particulars. I don't claim any authority but the limited data or facts, which I gather & always welcome different perspectives.

RE: "... there are no trillionaires" Just do the math of the largest financial institutions in the world US Federal-Reserve , Bank-of-England & Bank-of-Interna tional-Settleme nts, which print the western world's money. Learn about the private families who own controlling shares in these 3 entities & add in their other investments through diverse financial institutions & multinational companies & you will arrive at many 1000s of trillions of dollars, Add their subsidiary banks in Switzerland, holdings in Tax Havens, control of various Stock-Markets, plus control over various national & western monetary policy.

Amy Goodman describe some of Dwight Eisenhower's claims to a Military-Indust rial-Complex, which are owned by the above Finance. Dwight in his own writing expands it to elements of a Finance-Media-E ducation-Milita ry-Industrial-L egislative-Comp lex.
+1 # Brice 2016-11-20 01:17
Spell check does not OK words that I make-up myself DJ
Hyperbole means a single instance, and I am talking about a character trait. I expected if you wanted to understand my meaning you would have.
+73 # 2016-11-13 14:08
yet another national election stripped & flipped. not only were millions eliminated from the voter rolls and their provisionals trashed, but election "officials" used electronic means to strip millions more. see our STRIP & FLIP SELECTION OF 2016.

+23 # crispy 2016-11-13 16:41
right on solartopia,
No more "blackbox" voting (Bev. Harri.)It gave Bush the WIN in Ohio in 04. and 2000 wasn't so clear besides the Supreme Court coup. I think it's proven beyond any doubt.
+58 # opinionaire 2016-11-13 14:18
As was the case with all the Trumplethinskin accusations, there is some truth to be found, at least if he is shouting them into a mirror. He was absolutely right;the election was rigged--in his favor. His notoriously poor attention span and inability to keep anything to himself are to blame for his spilling the beans.
+114 # Inspired Citizen 2016-11-13 14:22
Clinton stole the nomination and Trump stole the election. Some democracy.
+52 # Femihumanist 2016-11-13 14:36
Quoting Inspired Citizen:
Clinton stole the nomination and Trump stole the election. Some democracy.

And Clinton can't complain because she knows that the Dems (and her) did the same thing.
+28 # Grout4cake 2016-11-13 15:45
So true, my husband a long time Dem voter suddenly found himself an "independent" here in Az and unable to vote in the primary.
-6 # dquandle 2016-11-13 16:54
she'll complain anyway, because it was "her turn" to steal the election.
-6 # ericlipps 2016-11-15 05:59
Quoting Femihumanist:
Quoting Inspired Citizen:
Clinton stole the nomination and Trump stole the election. Some democracy.

And Clinton can't complain because she knows that the Dems (and her) did the same thing.

Nonsense. Bernieites are just pissed that His Magnificence didn't win.
+6 # crispy 2016-11-13 16:18
Sign the petition Inspired citizen?
+3 # PCPrincess 2016-11-13 23:40
cripsy: I didn't vote for Hillary in the nominating process, therefore, I can't sign a petition for her now. There was a very good reason then, and a very good reason now.

I'm a progressive, and I will only vote for a progressive candidate.
-3 # Brice 2016-11-14 16:48
Why not just slit your wrists now, you don't seem to care about anything but your self-image never mind that no one else does.

You have a small possible choice right now to prevent Donald Trump from taking power ... sign the petition demanding electors change their votes away from Donald Trump.

A moderate Republican candidate would be better for a Progressive than Trump ... how do you miss that one?
+1 # Inspired Citizen 2016-11-14 18:23
Oh god no! She's more dangerous than Trump.
+1 # Brice 2016-11-16 20:40
Then I guess you think Obama is worse than Trump? If that is the case, I wonder why you are here?
+46 # Lilyoo 2016-11-13 14:42
There have been few things that get under my skin more than election fraud, which occurred to some degree even when there was a viable Voting Rights Act. What can be reasonably done to change this? What would it take? How can we help repair this?
+17 # JCM 2016-11-13 14:43
We are living in a lie and no one is, or can do anything about it. Democracy Lost.
+30 # tm7devils39 2016-11-13 15:21
Democracy lost to the 1% at least 70 years ago and the MSM was the messenger. Democracy doesn't - and can't - work under a capitalist system. IMHO, we have gone way past the point of no return. Only a revolution against our government, and those in power, can get us back to being a country that we, and the World, can be proud of.
+10 # crispy 2016-11-13 16:19
Democracy lost BUT we can do something about it:
and call for a Constitutional amendment to abolish the Electoral College. ONLY the states can approve it now with the current majority in Congress.
WHO can/will start the new Move-to-Amend movement? Or, can we contact that group anyway so they will now sponsor 2 amendments? anyone knows?

+5 # Radscal 2016-11-14 03:13
What about those of us who still think HRC would be a more dangerous president than Drumpf?

There's a reason why HRC got 10 million fewer votes than Obama in 2008, and Drumpf won with fewer votes than McCain and Romney LOST with.

Let's fight. But let's fight the common enemies.
-2 # Caliban 2016-11-14 00:59
If voters give up as #JCM apparently has (and want others to do?), then #JCM is right -- "right - correct" about the loss of democracy and Right (in the sense of "Right Wing".

In other words, two bad calls for the price of one.
+1 # JCM 2016-11-14 07:57
Caliban: Excuse me; don't tell me I have given up. Tell all of us what we can do about voter disenfranchisem ent. I can tell you one way was to try to elect a president, senate, and house that could have done something. The ones that gave up and didn't vote or voted for a candidate that installed trump as president are the ones who let democracy down. I understand the hard choice we all made but the republicans, unencumbered to rip votes from the elections will make it more and more difficult for us to prevail. The loss of the Supreme Court will be with us for a very long time. Was that really worth staying home or voting for an unelectable candidate? We must now live with the consequence of our choices and can only hope that trump and the republicans will finally piss their base off enough that they will stop blaming the wrong party for their problems. And hope that we, the democrats, liberals and progressives can reform the party into the party of the people.
+7 # JCM 2016-11-14 07:59
And above all, get all of us to go out and vote in every election.
+2 # Brice 2016-11-14 16:49
Democracy refused .... this is one of the lowest Democratic turnouts in history.
+2 # JCM 2016-11-14 17:28
Brice: Obama received about 9 million more votes. If they came out and voted we might have won the presidency, the senate and maybe the house. They can cheat but not that much.
+2 # Brice 2016-11-16 20:39
JCM, isn't that what you thought I said ... a lot of people refused or didn't vote for whatever reason ... that is just a refusal to exercise their rights.
+24 # Radscal 2016-11-13 15:00
So, how much of this election was a psy-op? USians have been demanding substantial change for a long time. Obama campaigned as an outsider, promising to change the political system that serves the few while abandoning the many.

So did Trump.

Going back further, Clinton campaigned as “the change agent.” So did Reagan. Yes, elections are always about a challenge to an incumbant (individual or party), but the changes promised are always structural.
“Government is the problem” or “reinventing government” are the same message by two “opposing” parties.

Most USians have known the system is rigged against us for a very long time. And each new candidate tells us we’re right and they’ll fix it. And each time, after each election, the agenda of the 0.01% proceeds.

We all saw HRC promoted by the corporate media as the “inevitable” next President for two years. Meanwhile, that same corporate media gave endless hours of free coverage of every belch of Trump.

And we also all know that the great majority of USians do not trust the corporate media. As Matt Taibbi notes in another RSN article today, the “news” media disrespects the people, whom they consider to be their lessers. The people know that. And hate it.

So Trump campaigns on calling out the BS of the corporate media. Therefore, when the media finally pulls out all the punches to dump on Trump, the people understand the media is trying to manipulate them.
+31 # Radscal 2016-11-13 15:01
Did the PTB choose HRC so the corporate media could present the Democrats as the status quo and Trump as the agent of change so as to promote Trump? Did those who own and control 90% of our media know that convincing us that they hated Trump was the best way to get people to vote for him?

And finally, did Trump’s claims that the election would be rigged result in the people falsely believing it wasn’t rigged when he was declared the winner?
+22 # virtualaudio 2016-11-13 16:42
The PTB won either way. The only real danger to them was Bernie Sanders, sworn enemy to the Koch network, the MIC and Wall Street.
Clinton would have helped financial institutions, tech conglomerates & MIC corporations.
Trump will likely help big oil, MIC corporations and.. Wall Street. (implying the real PTB battle was tech vs. big oil, which is part of the backstory here). And the media wins either way (largely thanks to Reagan & Bill Clinton - Fairness Doctrine repeal & Telecommunicati ons act).
Sanders was the only one who swore to help the middle class & poor.
Yes, Clinton gave lip service to the middle class, like her husband before her. Yes, she would have been much better on social - cultural issues like pro-choice & LBGT rights. Yes, she was not talking about building an insane wall or deportation forces. Yes, she would have done more on climate than trump. And she was not spewing bigotry.
But to your point Radscal, I think the corporate media didn't care. Remember Les Moonvees, head of CBS: 'Trump may be bad for the country, but he is good for ratings'.
And Trumps 'rigging' claim did incalculable damage: he bolstered the Right Wing notion of 'voter fraud', while discrediting the idea of 'election fraud' by making this a big issue in the final days. Now people like Bob Fritakis, Greg Palast & Richard Charnin will have a much harder job convincing voters that election fraud (machine & tally manipulation) is taking place.
+7 # Observer 47 2016-11-13 18:07
You had me until the part about how HRC would have "done more on climate." She might have TALKED more, but that's all it would have been. Why would someone who was concerned about the environment appoint a fracking proponent to her transition team? Or fail utterly to give one iota of support to the DAPL protesters? Nope, Hill the Shill owes Big Oil big time, so the planet could have expected zero help from her. And that would be best-case scenario. Then there's the possibility that she'd take actions that would result in nuclear winter. As I've said in other comments, it's a coin toss whether HRC or Trump would have been worse for the Earth as a whole. Either way, we all lose.
+8 # Radscal 2016-11-14 03:23
Yeah, I heard Les. Do you know the origin of his CBS?

It was founded by William Palley, who had been in charge of radio propaganda for the US Army Psychological Warfare Division.

It was owned by Westinghouse, which became the largest military contractor at that same time.

At its peak, CBS provided less than 5% of Westinghouse's revenues. Westinghouse always made far more on war and consumer goods.

Now, if you owned a company that made a $ million bucks a year selling appliances, and it owned a little newsletter that sold for a nickel and made a grand a year in advertising, what would you use that newsletter to promote?

The same was true for NBC and General Electric. Military and consumer goods raked in 95% of the revenues.

The primary purpose of corporate media has ALWAYS been propaganda. Go check out Edward Bernay's 1920 book of that title. Then read Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent. And finish off with BBC's 4-part series "The Century of Self" to see how this propaganda apparatus was developed through the sciences of manipulation.
+9 # Jaax88 2016-11-13 16:42
Yes the trump campaign called rigged election from the get go. Now it looks like that did two things. One, as suggested by Radscal, no rigging as trump had called that out and won the appropriate number of electors. Two, by setting up a false accusation that Demos would rig the election, the focus was intentionally shifted to the possible fraud by Demo voters at polling places and away from the systematic suppression by GOP state officials of likely Demo votes by manipulating the actual voting system.

We have a bad voting system in America. Maybe all the voting laws, rules and operations should be transferred to an independent agency whose officials and employees are foreign nationals and vetted for any politic bias.
+7 # Radscal 2016-11-14 03:27
I asked if Trump used his warnings of election fraud to fool people into believing there had been none.
+6 # Patriot 2016-11-13 21:46
To all of those questions, Radscal, "Yes."
+6 # crispy 2016-11-13 16:13
reply to your first comment (I don't get the 2nd): Right on Radscal (excellent analysis!) + he kept saying the polls were not to be believed (they are run by large media organizations for the most part aren't thay.)
They discouraged unmotivated voters to show up as it was an almost sure win (74% in worst case scenario, 98% in best one) for a candidate they disliked anyway: a few % of disenfranchisin g made a BIG difference, and Pallast seems to miss this.
There is also "blackbox voting" with machines hacked (in favor of trump??)
Analyzing exit polls may tell us more.
+3 # Donna Fritz 2016-11-13 15:06
I think that as long as we keep blaming electoral losses on conspiracies and not on horrible candidates (see: Hillary Clinton,) we're going to continue to lose elections.
+19 # crispy 2016-11-13 16:05
There are many factors including MSM and the FBI casting doubts on Hilary's credibility as well as (for MSM) giving Trump a pass for the most part on his lying (94% lies or inaccuracies overall in last debate.)
Overoptimism from pollsters discouraged Hilary voters from showing up as her victory was almost certain at 74-98%. And, yes, her Podesta-run campaign + Debbie Schultz partisan bias towards Bernie (stolen primaries) were pathetic!
The DNC must accept responsibility for the debacle
+4 # lfeuille 2016-11-13 21:01
That definitely played a part, but the disenfranchisem ent is also an issue. Palast knows what he is talking about. Whether or not a Republican's got together and plotted this or it was done independently by officials in red states who pretty much have the same attitude toward the votes of groups of people known to favor Democrats doesn't really matter. This problem isn't specific to this election and has to be addressed as soon as the Dems get back in power.
+25 # vt143 2016-11-13 15:09
The Republicans continually paint themselves as THE ones who uphold the constitution and are THE patriotic party.

How do they square this with tampering with and denying citizens the very heart of democracy: THE VOTE?!?
+14 # Grout4cake 2016-11-13 15:47
By holding to the original intent of the Constitution - only white male landowners get to vote.
+3 # crispy 2016-11-13 16:49
Alex Jones is one of them: UPHOLD the Constitution and "I hate those who want to make people POOR" yet he endorsed Trump ( Mister “American salaries are too high”) from the beginning and he had Roger Stone on the air every day, spewing lies and distorting Hilary's record and moral stature: After all wasn't she was a lesbian into "young" girls - like Bill - engaged in child trafficking, torture and rape, devil worshiping ceremonies with blood, semen, and urine - let alone the long track of assassinations of their opponents?
I swear they peddled this daily!
Savage (hate radio) and Jones (conspiracy radio)have a large audience - so they claim.
+9 # Jaax88 2016-11-13 17:53
It is not what the GOP is saying that they believe to be true, but what message they are try to conveying to the voters. The big lie technique to get the public to believe that and that the Demos are not patriotic and they disregard the constitution.

One way to look at the whole scam of the American business/govern mental complex that buys what it wants is like this.
1. From the long ago past , from English common law comes the concept of "Buyer beware." Why is that? Because sellers were likely to lie and cheat on what they were selling?
2. American law adopted that concept for good reason. Because sellers continue to lie and cheat on their products and services.
3. In too many cases, in this country over the last many decades, lying and cheating in business did not bring significant enough penalties to stop such conduct.
4. To make money lying and cheating (conning) has become a way of life for business, high and low, in all its aspects. Take for examples, Well Fargo Bank, Volkswagen, the cigarette industry and the fossil fuel industry with climate change denial. What is the common motivation for such unethical and immoral conduct? Profits pure and simple.
5. Business as a general matter runs America.
6. The GOP is the party of business and ultimately is financed and run by business.
+5 # Jaax88 2016-11-13 17:53
jaax88 con't:

Is there any reason not to believe that the GOP politicians and operators cheat, lie and steal and suppress votes to remain in power to rig or game our governmental and electoral systems to their and their financial supporters' advantage?
+4 # Patriot 2016-11-13 21:50
And, with this year's Dem primaries, we have seen that the Dems can and will do the same.
+3 # lfeuille 2016-11-13 21:02
One of the problems is that the constitution does not guarantee an individuals right to vote.
+4 # Radscal 2016-11-14 03:31
Could it be the same way the Democrats get away with claiming to be for the people and then screwing us?
+3 # RNLDaWy 2016-11-13 15:14
Author points out some interesting stuff if the actual numbers are accurate. Repubs redistricted in Rust Belt why they have Repub Govs in liberal states ... and why Trump won there .. however all that being said close elections driven by two shitty candidates can be stolen .. a definitively good candidate will not lose to an inferior one .. like 2000 all were shit head candidates both sides including VP's just like this time 'round .
+3 # Patriot 2016-11-13 21:52
Governorships are NOT subject to districting; governors are elected by ALL the people of a state, just as are Mayors, County executives, and state and U.S. Senators.
+4 # Radscal 2016-11-14 03:34
Yes. In fact, the ONLY elections where gerrymandering has any affect are for congressional districts.

That ain't nothing, but I hear people blame it on all sorts of things that it has nothing to do with.
+7 # RNLDaWy 2016-11-13 15:17
Time to take a high road. Keep Trump to 4 years and not 8 this time 'round ... let them set their shitty policies .. then attack and have a ground game at least ... next time Dems will have something to react to rally the troops .. it's over and done like crying over spilled Milk .. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAHHHHH!!!!!!11 Counterproducti ve .. I'm getting my popcorn ready for their shit show ..
-4 # Caliban 2016-11-14 01:18
Their "shit show"? What about your "shit show"? Beats anything any of the candidates have put out.
+15 # 2016-11-13 15:37
Related to the Exit Polls vs Vote Count problems mentioned in the Palast article, below is a Link from Professor Mark Crispin Millers FB page, showing the actual exit poll vs voter count numbers pointing to likely election fraud.
+7 # crispy 2016-11-13 16:59
Thanks. Why isn't Miller interviewed by MSM? I wonder. I suggest him as guest for Majority report, Democracy Now and Ring of fire. join me and let's call CNN ABC Free speech TV!
+5 # Radscal 2016-11-14 03:39
You can rest assured that, of your list, maybe Majority Report, Ring of Fire and Free Speech TV would allow him on.


Although I have to admit, that after I provided Amy with MUCH evidence that White Helmets is a terrorist propaganda organ, she did add some other sources, though continues to use their propaganda and promote their narrative.
+3 # crispy 2016-11-13 20:55
Idp this is a GREAT link. I just discovered Professor Miller and encourage people to go to his site and read articles posted like this one:

An open plea to Michael Moore (and all our other lefty stars): Dude, where are our votes? WAKE UP!

+9 # alnbarthel 2016-11-13 15:45
and both candidates and both corporate political parties cheated "We, the people" out of our democracy.
+9 # oakes721 2016-11-13 15:46
Sounds like the fix was well thought out ~ for those who would challenge the legitimacy of the outcome would be left with nothing but the acceptance of the other despised candidate, further discouraging the disqualificatio n of the election winner. An election thief (Trump) would only be replaced by another election thief (Clinton) leaving the most popular honest candidate (Sanders) out of the game entirely, never giving up the power by returning what was stolen to its rightful owner. GW Bush was the first of a string of actual losers to assume the fraudulent position of winner, able to profit from losses. Time to cut that tangled cord which is choking America to death.
BOTH should be disqualified and prevented from ever running for public offices ever again. Cheating and lying and election rigging are not acceptable traits for leadership. Let's start over with an honest election, as unheard of as that may sound.
-9 # crispy 2016-11-13 17:18
Call on the wimp (Obama) to declare a state of emergency and Marshall Law and immediately call for new elections!
Our system gives us ample time until January and Marshall Law could extend it if necessary. Appoint Garland during recess, as allowed under the Constitution; It's way overdue. Congress can kick him out later if they dare.
What do we have to lose?
I prefer Hilary as a representative of the oligarchs because at least she CAN govern and Trumpf CANNOT (so, Pence, Demint, Gingrich, Rumsfeld(?) and the "OLD gang" will pull the strings and govern - too bad Cheney is too old/sick or he would be called in.)
+5 # Patriot 2016-11-13 22:06
If you had ever lived under martial law, you wouldn't be quite so quick to call for it!
-2 # crispy 2016-11-13 15:49
Will anyone here sign the petition circulating to as people in the Electoral college to switch their vote and vote for the candidate that won the popular vote? They risk a financial penalty ($1000 fine is what I heard)and maybe more as this would be unconstitutiona l but it MIGHT be worth it even though both candidates represents the oligarchs.
The Supreme Court is in the balance.
Climate change actions, Obamacare repeal and the consumer protection agency are but 3 of my other concerns.
I believe Obama could declare Marshall law and call for new elections based on FBI interference and purging of records mentioned by Greg.
I chose to sign the petition**, with the AWARENESS that it was unconstitutiona l, given the grave risks involved with Trump, a racist sociopath who admires Hitler, Putin and perhaps Lenin since he uses the same propaganda techniques about repeating lies:
“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” Lenin
Goebbels used the same techniques and he was a Marxist who admired Communism, at least in the beginning(see wikipedia)

+2 # JoanF 2016-11-13 17:13
I'm sure it would be easy to raise enough money to pay all the thousand dollar fines for those electors.
+1 # Radscal 2016-11-14 03:43
Isn't losing TWO elections (really three if you count her stealing the latest primary) enough for HRC?

We don't want her.

Even 3/4 of those who voted for her didn't trust her, and half thought she should have been prosecuted.
0 # crispy 2016-11-13 15:57
Food for thought:
The current French Prime Minister (Manuel Valls) declared in an interview that if Marine Le Pen (considered the French equivalent of Trump) was elected the elections would be cancelled and her party "dissolved" (a legal decree that makes the party illegal, like the Nazi party). He told the journalist who said it would be a return to the "old regime" (royalty) that the popular vote system was obsolete and that Democracy would have to be saved at all cost.
Note that Manuel Valls is a"socialist" who would not respect the popular vote because he knows better. He could have said he would dissolve Marine Le Pen's party BEFORE the elections but he said "if she is elected." He has been accused to be a fascist by the left in France
Note that dissolving a party (making it illegal) has been done many times in France usually for expressing and encouraging racism, anti-semitism, promoting of violence against the state.
The next day, such party can re-open under a different name (and is usually NOT dissolved again as it tones down its rhetoric.)
Does the goal justify the means?
Should Obama (The WIMP,so far)declare a state of emergency/Marsh all Law?
Should unions and political leaders call for a general strike?
Pallast carefully avoids the subject
+1 # olpossum 2016-11-13 16:11
I've long suspected this is why the dirty state legislatures have been getting rid of gun laws, passing stand-your-grou nd, legalizing murder. Those measures were done at the behest of, and to protect, the predatory rich in this country when the truth can no longer be concealed and a pissed off populace comes after them. State legislatures are so much cheaper to buy than the DC ones.
+3 # Tigre1 2016-11-13 16:21
Tain't his place or role to suggest or to trump about waving his hips and tell you how to solve your problem.

He's a reporter. He sourced the problem. You're a citizen, I assume.Don't YOU have a plan?
+6 # boredlion 2016-11-13 19:02
[quote name="crispy"]
Should Obama (The WIMP,so far)declare a state of emergency/Marsh all Law?"

That's 'martial law,' as in military law, not "Marshall Law." In case you were wondering. Or confused.
+4 # Radscal 2016-11-14 03:46
France also has a Napoleonic justice system whereby the accused is considered guilty until proven innocent.

I have to admire in a strange way your willingness to go fascist to "protect" democracy. That's some straight-up Red Queen stuff.
+2 # librarian1984 2016-11-15 08:29
Quoting Radscal:
I have to admire in a strange way your willingness to go fascist to "protect" democracy. That's some straight-up Red Queen stuff.
Yes, nicely put.
+14 # olpossum 2016-11-13 16:05
I thought I smelled a rat when every single democrat here in Missouri lost. This makes me about as mad as I've ever been. These bastards will put some 35-year-old jackoff on the supreme court, and he'll spend 50 years ruining the lives of everybody in the country who's not rich. And in 2020 they'll do it again because there's nothing to stop them. And I guess there's nothing to be done? No recourse? 99% of the population should just suck it up and take another GOP screwing? No crowd-sourcing project, no way to go around both of these shitty parties to seek justice? This is not a nation of laws, it's a nation of cheap bullshit.
+1 # Skyelav 2016-11-13 20:53
Olpossum: I don't know about that. According to Trump's tax plan, my income tax rate goes up 5%. Meanwhile thanks to the rotten economy my income goes down and has since 2008.
+8 # LionMousePudding 2016-11-13 16:06
In JERSEY CITY NEW JERSEY there was a guy in my little district who chased away voters all day. Right in front of the poll workers, who obviously thought it was legal.

FIRST he said YOU CAN'T VOTE without a 'BALLOT' and indicated the PRACTICE BALLOT which was mandatory for rabbit cage litter. I was confused though and only figured that part out later. I thought the machines were broken.If a voter did not rush home to get that he DEMANDED ID. That is illegal in NJ and I had specifically not brought it because I was proud of my state for that. At that point the Poll worker FINALLY told me to go to the NORMAL place where I voted LIKE ALWAYS.

If they are doing that in NJ, what about the swing states? My best friend had three other friends in red states where the same thing happened
+3 # LionMousePudding 2016-11-13 16:14
I only arrived at 8:15 so when I got out at 8:45 there was no point in what I thought was my only option: stand outside and warn people.

Turns out it IS illegal. It is illegal to:
1. Be aggressive (oh boy was he)
2. Ask for ID. IN FACT
3. Ask ANY questions.

I figured since this was happening in front of the poll workers it must be legal. They obviously did not know.

Also these:

1. I saw him make a guy show ID as I was leaving. I said "You don't have to show him that."

2. I asked the guy for HIS ID and he turned away to me

3. And said "Chop chop! Where's your ballot?" To the next guy

4. I spoke to some teachers outside who didn't know this but one person had specifically said she had to go home for ID
+5 # Patriot 2016-11-13 22:16
Did you REPORT what he was doing to the Election Commmission, the police, the sheriff, or the local newpaper or radio station--or to your Secretary of State of Commissioner of Elections?
+3 # Radscal 2016-11-14 03:50
Exactly what I was thinking.
+2 # LionMousePudding 2016-11-14 12:09
Yes. I reported to the elections division of the ACLU. I received a phone call back a few hours ago asking for details again and someone from my area will call me soon. I am very pleased at their keen interest.

The police know me through arresting my housemate rather often so I was pretty much too embarrassed to go there. And I doubt they would care. :O
+13 # Aliazer 2016-11-13 16:08
The election was stolen by the Federal Election Commission when, in collusion with both Democrats and Republican, excluded all other candidates whom the people would have been most interested in hearing but were denied the opportunity.

To charge one party or the other of theft is spurious and false. Both parties were part of the theft and got away with it!!
+8 # desertprogressive 2016-11-13 16:57
In the final debate, HRC asked Trump if he would accept the election results, and then made a huge deal of his answer. I thought that was a very stupid move, and she set herself up if she finds herself on the losing side of being rigged. Well, it happened and she painted herself in a corner! It's one thing that she probably would have won, but the downstream Democrats, and the citizens, got screwed too.

We're either a democracy in the election process, or we're not. If our elections are democratic in any sense, then it's worth fighting for. There should be a hold on the results until there's validation. Otherwise, the elections will be rigged every time!
+2 # Radscal 2016-11-14 03:53
Or, her question was part of the psy-op to elect Trump.

For the first year of this campaign, I was sure that Trump was a set up by the Clinton Machine to guarantee HRC the win. They've been good friends for decades, and Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to run and gave him pointers.

Then a few months ago, Loren Bliss suggested that Trump may actually be the preferred candidate of the elite. It hurt my brain to consider it. But now I really wonder.
+2 # angelfish 2016-11-13 17:25
We haven't been a Democratic Republic since before Reagan's Administration. When the 1%-ers became able to manipulate the system our Goose was, essentially, Cooked! It is incumbent upon us to get the Electoral College to DO the WILL of the people and give their Votes to the Popular Vote WINNER, Hillary Clinton! she will work for us ALL, not just the rich! Already, the Moron is filling his "Administration " with Ultra-Conservat ive Wing-Nuts who will STRIP this country of it's FREEDOMS and ENVIRONMENTAL Protections! No matter WHAT Hillary might have said in any of the Debates, WE the People have it in our Power to beseech the Electoral College to SAVE us from the Knuckle-Dragger s! NO Justice? NO Peace! Democrats have got to take the Gloves off and fight with every fiber of our being because the Knuckle-Dragger s LOVE their Power and won't go quietly. Al Gore WAS the President but, he was TOO gentlemanly to fight for it! We CAN'T let them Rape us Again, Financially, Environmentally or by taking away Freedoms ALREADY Won! Call, Write and Harass your Representatives and Senators to implore the Electoral College to get on the RIGHT side of History this time, and avoid another Tragedy like the one they foisted on us the last time they were called on to HELP America!
-1 # Skyelav 2016-11-13 20:49
Seriously, Hillary doing what we want?? what are you smoking. She is the primo employee of Georgie Soros, the primo Oligarch.. (well that's a stretch, but certainly has professed to be a super power globalist..)
+5 # Patriot 2016-11-13 22:21
Today Trump fired Chris Cristie as his transition team manager, gave the job to Pence, and asked his four children to join the transition team--and they each said, tonight, on 60 Minutes (recorded Friday), that they do NOT want to take any position in his administration.

Give the man a chance--but don't take your eyes off of Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell! McConnell already, condescendingly , told Trump that term limits will not even be on the agenda. This may become very interesting, and we may have gotten someone who will surprise us. but Ryan and McConnell will not give up without a fight.
-1 # opinionaire 2016-11-14 11:44
Sorry, I upthumbed you by accident. I am not really willing to "give the man a chance," when he has spent the entire campaign lying, bloviating, cursing, and generally putting down everyone who is not kissing up to him. He and his sainted children are all tainted, and the taint does not wash off easily.
+4 # Radscal 2016-11-14 03:56
I concur that we haven't been a functional democratic republic for a long time (if ever, really).

But certainly, once we had the Federal Reserve Act foisted on us, control of the country swung to the banksters, as President Wilson realized too late.
+5 # uuzul 2016-11-13 17:27
This was a coup. Plain and simple. With either party winning, it was a coup.
+2 # 47scooter 2016-11-13 18:13
A friend forwarded me this National Popular Vote bill petition to sign - which only needs the support of enough states to equal 270 electoral votes to pass. 10 states are on board, and 4 have pending legislation, so it’s already 3/4 of the way there!
+1 # Patriot 2016-11-13 22:24
Since the election has already occurred, trying to enforce even legislation passed tomorrow would be trying to enforce an ex post facto law--which is expressly forbidden in the Constitution.
-1 # Bic Parker 2016-11-13 18:34
Anyone, ignoring Bernie's advice, that 'could not vote for Hillary' and threw their vote away in protest or just sat it out VOTED FOR TRUMP!

The so called progressives suppressed the vote in their own way.

And now we must all suffer!
+3 # Skyelav 2016-11-13 20:46
Well Bic Parker, this upheaval should reconfigure the democrats, no? If it doesn't then that feat is impossible and we are all indeed serfs to the oligarchs.
+3 # Helen Marshall 2016-11-13 21:55
It did not matter who you voted for in Texs if not for the GOP/Trump. The Electoral College rules!!!
+4 # Vardoz 2016-11-13 22:11
Then why did Trump and the GOP bother to purge to votes? And if this is true isn't this evidence of vast illegal election suppression and fraud and why doesn't Palast offer this as evidence to Bernie's legal team?!!!!
+2 # Patriot 2016-11-13 22:39
Bic, take a deep breath. I voted for Stein, not Clinton, not Trump--STEIN. If enough others had done the same, she would be President-elect . If a few more had done the same, but not enough for her to win, the election might have gone to the House, which is what I really expected would happen. Those who didn't vote, didn't vote--and I am not prepared to hear one word from them about the results--NOT ONE WORD! But I cannot and will not blame anyone who left the presidential boxes blank, or voted for any of the almost 50 candidates on the various states' ballots. So far, we're free to choose. I voted for what I wanted, in perfect confidence that, if enough others thought the same as I did, my candidate would win, and, if not, another candidate would win.

I could not give my approval to election theft, as the DNC did in the Dem primaries, or to warmongering, which Clinton advocated, so I voted for the government I'd really like to see.

My vote did not, as it happens, hurt Clinton, because I never would have voted for her under any circumstances, and it did not help Trump, because it went to SOMEONE ELSE! Can you comprehend that FACT?
+3 # Radscal 2016-11-14 04:00
The Green Party did not get enough votes in any state to have swung the election to HRC.

You Democratic Partisans have beaten that horse since 2000. It wasn't true then, but it's just plain absurd today.

If the DNC wanted to win, they should have given us a candidate to vote for. Obviously, they preferred Trump to Sanders.
+2 # moby doug 2016-11-13 19:11
Jim Crow voter-blocking tactics worked....and so did Comey's outrageous and illegal "November Surprise." The Repiggers are re-riggers from several directions (for example, the outrageous gerrymandering of 2010, and the dark money released by the outrageous Citzens United "decision") at once. They don't trust just one form of cheating to steal elections.... They're not operating in good faith, they never will. Democracy is an institution they loathe and always strive to subvert. Now dollarocracy, that's another story.
0 # Skyelav 2016-11-13 20:45
"I think that as long as we keep blaming electoral losses on conspiracies and not on horrible candidates (see: Hillary Clinton,) we're going to continue to lose elections."

I am thinking this is correct here. Further if BOTH parties are fixing voting machines, polling places, polls themselves etc. Then what's the point, let
's go back to dueling. Very disheartening but I can not believe that Hillary's backers had the fix in for Trump. Seems to me she is the candidate of choice for the Uber Elite and has a track record to prove her loyalty and abilities. Trump is rogue and he proves that every day even though they seem to have a rope over him now... I have to lie down.....
-7 # 2016-11-13 21:00
Palast is chicken little again. Many states simply do not remove people who've died or moved from voter registries for years. This claim should not be believed until he comes up with a few people who wanted to vote and were turned away. I don't think that happened but would be open to hearing his case he found examples.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
+2 # crispy 2016-11-13 21:05
The FEC? Couldn't the networks invite third party candidates without consulting the FEC?
Democracy Now ran a post-debate debate With Both Johnson and Stein invited.
Johnson failed to accept every time btw.
Stein answered the same questions with the same amount of time as T and H.

IF this were illegal - per FEC - wouldn't DN be violating the law, 3 times?

NO, I think MSM CHOOSES who will be invited, and they are owned and operated by the 2 main parties.

Am I wrong? correct me please. I want to know.

I am also wondering why Free speech TV does NOT organize debates. I asked them to do so (in Sept) BUT never got a reply...
+2 # Vardoz 2016-11-13 22:08
As Jimmy Carter recently said , " we no longer have a functioning Democracy."
+4 # Radscal 2016-11-14 04:05
Actually, the Commission for Presidential Debates decides who can debate.

It's whole owned by the DNC and RNC.
+5 # crispy 2016-11-13 21:10
Mark Miller is asking:
"why are we NOT hearing anything at all about [this stolen election] from Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, Angela Davis, Gloria Steinem, Robert Reich, John Nichols or Paul Krugman, or Bruce Springsteen, Katy Perry, George Clooney, Beyonce, JZ, Sarah Silverman, Bill Maher, John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, RuPaul, Lin-Manuel Miranda, Madonna, and the cast of “West Wing,” or Media Matters, the Center for American Progress, Mother Jones, Slate, Salon, DailyKos, RawStory, The Progressive, AlterNet, or any of the other leftist stars and outlets and non-profits that cast Hillary as our ONLY choice (while also staying mum about the vast election theft whereby she seized the nomination)?
-4 # ericlipps 2016-11-15 06:03
Quoting crispy:
Mark Miller is asking:
"why are we NOT hearing anything at all about [this stolen election] from Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, Angela Davis, Gloria Steinem, Robert Reich, John Nichols or Paul Krugman, or Bruce Springsteen, Katy Perry, George Clooney, Beyonce, JZ, Sarah Silverman, Bill Maher, John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, RuPaul, Lin-Manuel Miranda, Madonna, and the cast of “West Wing,” or Media Matters, the Center for American Progress, Mother Jones, Slate, Salon, DailyKos, RawStory, The Progressive, AlterNet, or any of the other leftist stars and outlets and non-profits that cast Hillary as our ONLY choice (while also staying mum about the vast election theft whereby she seized the nomination)?

How about because, as Bernie Sanders himself has said, she didn't, and there was no "vast election theft" on her part?
+1 # Vardoz 2016-11-13 22:06
Palast needs to present this evidence to Bernie Sanders and his legal team not make money off his book and film. I have already emailed Senator Sanders twice about this and action needs to be taken!
+3 # Radscal 2016-11-14 04:06
Palast has been trying to warn the Democratic Party about this for more than a decade.

They never did a thing.
+2 # Cdesignpdx 2016-11-13 23:40
this isn't about who runs as the Dem or Repub candidate. It's about party control. Which party agenda is the most favorable to meeting their ends.
Repubs don't care if Louie Gohmert is their candidate. They know he's an idiot, but he can win with the party behind him–rigging, manipulating and cajoling...Who cares? It's all about authoritarianis m.
+4 # Lloyd Wagner 2016-11-13 23:48
And lets NEVER mention that both parties and all the "candidates" are complicit in the cover up of 9/11.
-1 # Lucretius 2016-11-14 01:07
+3 # Radscal 2016-11-14 04:08
Is this the same 538 that laughed off Trump for a year, convinced he could never win the nomination, and then remained convinced he couldn't win the election?
+4 # librarian1984 2016-11-14 10:48
And the same messiahs who have never addressed EJUSA's report on the nomination theft.

Nate Silver must have understood right away what the exit polls meant, but never said a word.

Pollsters, pundits, analysts .. very few came through this unscathed .. yet they carry on as if there's 'nothing to see'.
-1 # Lucretius 2016-11-14 01:14
+1 # librarian1984 2016-11-15 08:35
We're going to take advice from Hillary's HuffPo, who put Trump in their entertainment section and featured a ridiculous editorial note about him?

There is little criticism of the validity of exit polls; mainly the criticism is on how they are reported. Polls of any sort are often reported as facts when really they are snapshots and subject to error.

The main problem with polls is that reporters don't explain the margin of error. Indeed I saw several instances where national news shows didn't even show the margin of error!
+5 # geohorse 2016-11-14 07:50
We are Bernie people who are also geologists. We often drive on roads less traveled looking for interesting roadcuts that reveal geologic features of note to our studies and pleasure. This means we see many boarded up towns, people getting no news but hate media, guns everywhere, Dead farms, factories,mines , etc. along with shabby houses, trash everywhere and the list of deplorable human loss sickeing.
This past fall most of northern New England we traversed had nothing but Trump/Pence lawn signs everywhere. NO Hillary signs.
We were very very worried---the nightmare came true because Trump noticed this picture thanks to his paying attention to Bernie's big run.
0 # RnR 2016-11-14 08:51
I've suspected it was rigged, but also a huge backlash against Hillary and the DNC. Where are Podesta and Mickey Mook these days?

Picking those 2 is yet another indication of Hillary's bad judgment.
+3 # kalpal 2016-11-14 11:28
So how many states with a Democratic leadership indulge in voter suppression? Surely the RW can link us to such states.
-1 # jens 2016-11-15 00:06
Mr. Palast,

The two Websters are among the 7 million, aren't they? They weren't among the 1 million purged (which are solid matches based on complete name, birthdate and SSN or signature). No office ever intended for them to be purged. They're just in the article because it wasn't exciting enough if you didn't make it seem like someone was being purged who shouldn't be, right?
-1 # John S. Browne 2016-11-15 14:44

I'm NOT doubting ANYTHING you said, Greg Palast; but what about the voting machines that were undoubtedly also flipping votes over to Trump, because he was what the powers-that-be wanted? (I think perhaps they realize that even though "Hitlery" is one of their own, she's too far over the deep end mentally, and probably physically too.) Can't prove the electronic vote fraud, so you don't talk about it?

We mustn't forget the machines. With them, we also do not have any reputable voting system in the U.S., and they HAVE TO be gotten rid of. Otherwise, all other concerns and/or wishful thinking are virtually worthless. The electronic voting machines are the bottom line, the foundational problem, of the entire mess. If Trump hadn't been able to steal the (s)election through the voting-fraud methods you mention, he would have stolen the (s)election by flipping votes; and he probably did so in addition to the other methods.

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0 # John S. Browne 2016-11-15 14:44

Ever since the electronic voting machines became accepted and went nationwide, there has been no equitable, fair and/or trustworthy election system in the U.S.; and whoever has been controlling the vote-counting computer program(s) have been in charge of who "wins" and who "loses", and are doing the bidding of the deep state shadow government that really decides who gets (s)elected in the U.S., particularly to become POTUS. So, until the machines, as well as those other, voter disenfranchisem ent methods, are done away with, we cannot trust the outcome of ANY (s)election at all.

-3 # zillafied 2016-11-16 21:51
When will someone count the votes of those who voted without legal/constitut ional right to do so?
-1 # zillafied 2016-11-25 10:22
Who the f*ck edited my post above?

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