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Palast writes: "For two decades, computer touch-screen voting machines have been derided as 'push and pray' voting. You had to take it on faith that the machine records your vote as you intend. The machines lacked a 'paper record' to audit and recount."

In Ohio, the vote is indeed 'rigged' - but for the GOP. (photo: David Goldman/AP)
In Ohio, the vote is indeed 'rigged' - but for the GOP. (photo: David Goldman/AP)


Vote Machines Audit Function Disabled - and Worse

By Greg Palast, GregPalast.com

08 November 16

 

or two decades, computer touch-screen voting machines have been derided as “push and pray” voting. You had to take it on faith that the machine records your vote as you intend. The machines lacked a “paper record” to audit and recount.

So, voting rights attorney Robert Fitrakis was thrilled to learn that many of Ohio’s voting machines would, for this election, have a brand-new anti-hacking capability. The computers could now take a photo of every voter card loaded in, time stamp each marking and keep the images in an order that allows an audit and recount.

But there’s one thing wrong with the new tamper-proof voting machines. “They’ve decided to TURN OFF the security.”

What? In 2004, Ohio’s “push-and-pray” machines produced suspect tallies that won President George W. Bush’s re-election victory over Sen. John Kerry—although Kerry had a comfortable lead in exit polls. And in this year’s contest, the FBI has raised fears of fiddling these machines by Russian hackers.

Yet, the Republican Secretary of State of Ohio, Jon Husted, is allowing county officials to simply turn off these security functions—with no explanation as to why.

The counties, Fitrakis discovered, “bought state-of-the-art equipment and turned off the security,” both the ballot imaging function and the audit application that can detect and record evidence of machine tampering.

Fitrakis, Green Party candidate for Franklin County Prosecutor, sought a temporary restraining order to require voting officials to simply turn on the ballot integrity functions on the machines. As a reporter for Democracy Now, I was permitted to observe, though not film, the hearing in the judge’s chamber in the Franklin County Court of Common Pleas in Columbus, Ohio’s capital.

Lawyers for the Republican Secretary of State as well as county officials from around the state gave no reason for turning off the ballot protection functions on the machines. Instead, they pleaded that turning them on “would cause havoc.”

Fitrakis, armed with a copy of the machine’s instructions noted that the “havoc” was no more than clicking on a drop-down computer menu and choosing “record” images instead of “do not record.” The menu has a similar yes/no option for the audit application.

Nevertheless, Judge David Cain, a Republican, ruled that Fitrakis’ demand was “borderline frivolous.” Counsel for the state’s GOP Attorney General argued, successfully, that Fitrakis would have to return after the election and prove the election was stolen. Of course, he’d have no audit trail nor ballot images with which to make the case.

Fitrakis told me, “It’s Catch-22. It’s Ohio.”

And the stakes are high. This is the ultimate swing state that could decide not only the Presidency but the balance in the US Senate.

Long Lines for Black Votes; Zero Lines for whites

On Sunday, I joined the members of the Freedom Faith Missionary Baptist Church of Dayton for early voting. All over Ohio, churches bus the faithful to the polls for early voting. Nearly 70% of Ohio’s African-Americans vote on “Souls-to-the-Polls” Sunday as many do not have the transport nor the day off to vote on Tuesday.

They arrived at the one and only early polling station and waited. And waited. And waited. And waited. The lines for several thousand voters at the one poll snaked up and down three floors of the county building and spiraled through the multi-story garage. At the end of the line they were given numbers to wait in an auditorium to be called to vote.

Yet, today, on Election Day Tuesday, when the majority of white Ohioans vote, there will be 176 polling stations in Montgomery County (Dayton) alone. For many whites the lines are not short—they are non-existent, with more poll workers than voters.

The system was created by that same GOP official, Jon Husted, who had permitted counties to turn off ballot protection applications on the voting machines. Husted had wanted to eliminate Sunday voting completely.

But Husted ran into resistance. I located Dennis Lieberman, until recently, a Dayton County elections board member. Lieberman told me, “We had voted, both Republicans and Democrats, for long [voting] hours on weekends so that people, like this” – he gestured to the church groups – could come and vote.”

But Secretary Husted was none too pleased.

“After we did that [voted for Saturday and Sunday voting], we were told by the Secretary of State that if we didn’t change our vote, that he would fire us.”

Lieberman and the others refused to give in. And, as a result, said the voting official, “I got fired.”

Secretary Husted has refused several requests for an interview.

The Purge begins of half a million suspected “duplicate” voters

Donald Trump claims that, the election is “rigged”—specifically because, “You have people …voting many, many times.”

Trump’s accusations simply repeats the claim of more than two dozen Republican state voting chiefs who have created a secret list of those suspected of voting twice or registering twice with the intent of voting a second time. Altogether, there are an astonishing 7.2 million names on the GOP blacklist, labeled “Crosscheck” by Republican operatives.

Ohio’s Secretary of State has a whopping 497,000 suspects on his list in that one state – and he is systematically removing them. Of these, approximately 60,000 Ohioans will find their names simply removed from the swing state’s voter rolls—and they will have no idea of the accusation against them.

Crucially, the list is racially loaded—tagging an astounding one in six voters of color in the GOP states using Crosscheck.

Voting twice is a felony crime—and, despite the humongous list, only one Ohioan has been convicted. Yet thousands are losing their vote.

Although it is “confidential,” our team obtained over 100,000 of Ohio’s blacklisted voters facing disenfranchisement. We spoke to several—and one, Donald Webster, agreed to speak to us on camera.

Donald Alexander Webster Jr. of Dayton, Ohio, is accused of having registered a second time in Virginia as Donald Eugene Webster Sr.

He claims that he never used the name “Eugene” – and he can’t imagine why someone would vote a second time when, to fix an election, he would have had to conspire with thousands of others.

So I asked, “Well, do you? Are you part of a large conspiracy?”

“No, no. No I am not, sir.”

Yet he and the other Donald Webster are at risk of losing their vote—and will not know why.

Rights attorney Fitrakis said of Husted’s “Crosscheck” game, “He knows what he’s doing is illegal. What he’s doing is counting on bigotry to get away with it. He’s picking first and last names only because he doesn’t want to actually [catch double voters]. He wants to purge Blacks and Hispanics. And he’s trying to make Ohio winnable in the only way he knows how: by stealing American citizens’ votes.”


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+36 # ericlipps 2016-11-08 22:53
I had trouble voting myself. When I tried voting for the Democratic ticket using our local voting machines, where you fed in a paper ballot, filled it out on screen and pushed a button to have your vote tallied and your ballot returned to you, at the presidential level a checkmark for Trump appeared. I corrected it, but when I was finished the machine refused to mark my ballot and return it. This happened twice; I had to get a third ballot, mark it by hand and have it scanned in, and who knows whether it was actually registered. And this was in New York; who knows what's been happening in, oh, just to take a couple of examples, Florida and Ohio.
 
 
+36 # rural oregon progressive 2016-11-08 23:29
Eric: So you're sayin you voted for Trump??? Or, are you saying that you think the black-box voting may be rigged? In either case, now you know what it is like to have your vote stolen... Just as many of us Bernie supporters suspected during the primary... So, I guess it is okay when our votes were stolen or flipped, but not when yours is??? As we have been saying since the primary. Whoever controls the voting machines determine the outcome of the election. Our democracy has been stolen from us. Some of us have been crying foul since 2000, others only when their candidate is affected.
 
 
-5 # Robbee 2016-11-09 08:52
Quoting rural oregon progressive:
Eric: So you're sayin you voted for Trump??? Or, are you saying that you think the black-box voting may be rigged? In either case, now you know what it is like to have your vote stolen... Just as many of us Bernie supporters suspected during the primary... So, I guess it is okay when our votes were stolen or flipped, but not when yours is??? As we have been saying since the primary. Whoever controls the voting machines determine the outcome of the election. Our democracy has been stolen from us. Some of us have been crying foul since 2000, others only when their candidate is affected.

- hill's one criminal supporter did not steal the primaries for bernie by stopping 126,000 voters from voting
 
 
+1 # crispy 2016-11-10 01:41
NO Robbee, The primaries were stolen from Bernie in many ways including DNC sabotage (Debbie Schultz, rewarded by getting a job on the campaign after the leak scandal), TOTAL lack of coverage - and later BIASED coverage - by the same press/media that CREATED Trump, and by voting role tempering + maybe blackbox voting (hacking.)
You seem to just wake up...
 
 
+5 # librarian1984 2016-11-08 23:58
hahaha after you have been ridiculing us for whining about St. Bernard! Oh there is cosmic justice after all.

You may have voted for Trump! hahaha
 
 
+14 # librarian1984 2016-11-08 22:54
AT LAST I am hearing pundits say, 'This is a vote against Washington!'

Duh. Yes, this is an anti-establishm ent year. They are only just now figuring this out.

Right now Trump has 244 electoral votes and Clinton has 197. I have to admit, I thought the Clinton camp was going to steal the election, and that is NOT happening.

They are saying now Trump has more paths to the WH than Clinton.
 
 
+16 # rural oregon progressive 2016-11-08 23:34
Hey Librarian... Long time no communicate! Could it be that them that control the black boxes have had a change of heart? Or could it be that they knew that Trump had a far better chance against Hil than Bernie... So, they flip the vote so Hil wins the primary, then flip the opposite way come the general??? All this time we thought the corporations were in Hillary's pocket. You and many of the rest of us saw the sham, but did not follow it through completely (maybe).
 
 
+16 # librarian1984 2016-11-09 00:09
Wheels within wheels. I know Radscal mentioned that perhaps Trump was the oligarchs' choice. Who knows?

What I see is that a LOT of oligarch money just got flushed away.

And the media is finally asking why people support Trump, and the DP is going to have to answer to the progressives. They STOLE the nomination for a losing candidate! They turned away millions of young people and Independents! The Clintons just broke the DP.

And who knows what hacking was going on!

What a seismic election .. revolutionary.

It is VERY entertaining to see the pundits stutter and wince though.

I think people will stay focused and interested in watching their government. We need to push Trump on climate change and on our treatment of minorities. But people just might do it.

I do think Trump could work with Sanders. I hope they try.

Wow. I am relieved Clinton will not be president, but a Pres. Trump is a scary thought.

Hope you're well.
 
 
+5 # rural oregon progressive 2016-11-09 00:14
lib: All true! And yes, we are well. Kudos to Rads for calling this in the first place.
 
 
+5 # economagic 2016-11-09 08:59
Quoting librarian1984:
Wheels within wheels. . . .

What I see is that a LOT of oligarch money just got flushed away.


Wheels within wheels for sure; Spy vs. Spy on steroids. The chance that we will ever know exactly who stole what from whom or how is vanishingly small.

A lot of money got flushed, but those who placed the biggest bets had plenty to spare and were almost certainly hedging a good many of their own bets, both pragmatically and for sake of appearance, to obscure matters further.

Anyone who expected good out of this campaign was either in denial or thinking in some very long term.

As for the oligarchs, there is an open thread on Godot (not by me) speculating on their intentions to which I will be adding a couple of comments later today.
 
 
-10 # Robbee 2016-11-09 09:11
Quoting librarian1984:
Wow. I am relieved Clinton will not be president, but a Pres. Trump is a scary thought.

- congrats - it is post-election - jilliebots saved us from certain death - i've been asking for your rump scorecard - and stop the rump is scary already - you helped save us from certain death - what could be scary compared to hill?
 
 
-1 # Kiwikid 2016-11-09 11:16
Yep, Robbee, it's going to be fun to watch over the next 4 years. While I'm disappointed with the outcome I don't believe that the system was rigged (paranoia is not strong on my side of the planet). I think this may ultimately be good for democracy - with the GOP controlling all three branches of government + the Supreme Court, they will have no excuses when Trump is unable/unwillin g to deliver to the hopes, dreams, and expectations of those who voted for him. Provided we all survive, the landscape in 4 years will look very different. Even a partial Dem victory at this point would have made them scapegoats for Trumps failures over the next 4 years. That scenario looks difficult to substantiate now.
 
 
0 # crispy 2016-11-10 02:10
and..
Someone who says American salaries are too high and confirms it when asked again in the following days:
"It's a tough position politically," Trump admitted during an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

"We have to become competitive with the world. Our taxes are too high, our wages are too high. Everything is too high. We have to compete with other countries."
Joe did not confront him (mainstream media gave him a pass over and over)asking him if wages should be lowered to Vietnam's or China's or Russia's level.
NOBODY asked him he if was against minimum wage? (he is)

A man who will repeal Obamacare forcing millions to be again at the mercy of unlimited greed by Insurance companies and "not get sick or die soon." Killing fetuses and babies for lack of healthcare in number paling when compared to losses from abortions. Killing elderly, sick and disabled who cannot afford to get help.

HILARY failed badly in hammering in such issues so no worker would ever vote for him

Now Robbee do you know what IS more scary than Hilary, or are you still in the dark?
 
 
0 # crispy 2016-11-10 02:13
Joe could have asked if executive salaries were also too high, and why trump wanted to cut their taxes to make them even higher, but he did not
 
 
+1 # crispy 2016-11-10 02:03
"what could be scary compared to hill?"
EASY:
A an older man with the temper and attention span of a 10 year old (as described by his biographer.)A self-centered psychopath who intends to ruin this country economically and take away power of the People (by reversing Roe V Wade and not reversing Citizen United.)
A leader who won't respect treaties (NATO) or international/U S law by PROMOTING torture and killing families (men, women,children) of "terrorists"(as defined by him)
A racist, misogynist who hates and despises women (except pretty ones, blacks, disabled, Mexicans (and all "browns"), Muslims (most of them are brown aren't they after all.)
Someone who is IGNORANT in Constitutional and foreign affairs and wants to censor newspaper and sue anyone who says bad things about him.
Someone who failed to declare $600 million in income, in the 90s, after "his" casinos failed.
 
 
+1 # lfeuille 2016-11-09 17:03
Not likely Trump was they oligarchs choice. They really want TPP and the other trade deals in the pipeline.
 
 
0 # crispy 2016-11-10 01:44
Bev Harris was not given a voice on Democracy Now today...
 
 
0 # candida 2016-11-11 04:04
Quoting librarian1984:

What a seismic election .. revolutionary.

We need to push Trump on climate change and on our treatment of minorities. But people just might do it.

I do think Trump could work with Sanders. I hope they try.


librarian, you seem like a nice guy, but politics is really out of the grasp of your comprehension. Each of your statements shows this in spades, but esp the idea of Sanders and Trump working together. What a hoot! You really are lost! Welcome to the counter-revolut ion!
 
 
+3 # Cassandra2012 2016-11-09 00:03
It is Trump's minions that have 'rigged' this election and the ignorant spoiled brats that did not anticipate this have helped him do it.

Congratulations--- enjoy the fascist takeover of the US.
 
 
-1 # John S. Browne 2016-11-09 10:16
#

Oh come now, it would have been a CONTINUATION of the (international- globalist- corporate) fascist takeover of the U.S., the West and the world either way! It's a fait accompli regardless which side of the isle of the truly one-party system sits in the "Black and/or Bleak House"! As I told you before, but you just continue to refuse to get, "Hitlery" is a fascist too, just as Trump is, but worse! Wake the frack up, entirely stop taking the "blue pill", take the "red pill", stop living in the fantasy fake reality, world "matrix" control grid, and be completely set free by THE TRUTH! (No, I know, and I'm not holding my breath that, many of your thoroughly- brainwashed and/or "washed-of(-tru e)-brains" ilk (n)ever will! Most of you are too far gone to truly, fully and totally wake up to the global fascism!)

#
 
 
+5 # economagic 2016-11-09 10:29
Would you say, perhaps, since the FIRST gilded age?
 
 
+3 # GoGreen! 2016-11-09 17:26
How about we take a green pill? It is time now to get out and insist that the TPP is NOT PASSED. If it does our nation loses our sovereignty. If, at any level of our government we pass any law or regulation that the trans national corporations don't like, they can sue that government for the loss of their EXPECTED PROFITS in a Tribunal set up by the transnational corporations. This Tribunal can hold that government liable for that expected loss. The law or regulation will not be enforced because of the cost of the settlement with the transnational corporation. The TPP is a treaty and is above our Constitution.

We must not allow this to pass in the lame duck secession of Congress. You must make a fuss with your so called 'Representative ' in Congress. You can tell that person that his or her duty is to vote as directed by his or her constituents and we don't want the TPP.
 
 
+4 # crispy 2016-11-10 02:19
YES! Go Green, lets write letters as fast track was already approved (no true debate with changes)let's stop TPP and another one which is encountering huge opposition in Europe now (TPA?)
 
 
+1 # crispy 2016-11-10 02:16
You may be right John but based on his statements and immoral actions Trump LOOKS worse (see my new postings above.)

not long ago, Trump was playing golf with Bill and Bill is considered "family" by the Bush-crime family (that was Barbara Bush's words.) Same gang?
 
 
0 # John S. Browne 2016-11-10 12:00
#

You think "Hitlery" isn't part of that same gang? So how could Trump be worse? They're at least just as bad.

#
 
 
+5 # lfeuille 2016-11-09 17:07
It's been rigged for years. It should have been unrigged when Obama got in, but he didn't want to bother. If they hadn't rigged the primary against Bernie, he would have won and the Dems would probably have taken the Senate and made significant gains in the House. They are the ones responsible for this.
 
 
+34 # grandlakeguy 2016-11-09 01:29
With Bernie Sanders as the candidate the Republicans would have been swept aside by the armies of excited energized voters young and old. We could have won control of both houses of Congress as well as the White House.
There was a spoiler in this election...it was the unholy alliance of the DNC and the Clintons who conspired together and acted out their scheme to deny the choice of Bernie Sanders to the primary voters.
They thought that they knew best and look at where we are now!
Screw you DNC and your god-damned super-delegates !
 
 
+14 # MsAnnaNOLA 2016-11-09 05:38
The Dems deserve this loss by nominating Clinton. Almost anyone would have been a better candidate. Demexit.
 
 
+7 # Navrongo80 2016-11-09 06:44
I so agree w/ GLG
 
 
+3 # Radscal 2016-11-09 14:56
Yep. HRC got 10 million FEWER votes than Obama got in 2008.

So did Drumpf, but we've known for decades that there are far more registered Democrats than Republicans.

Just as we've been warning the DNC for going on 2 years, HRC is so hated by Republicans/Ind ependents that she would motivate them to show up in huge numbers to defeat her.

But, she is such a Wall Street, corporatist warmonger that she would NOT motivate liberals/progre ssives to show up in large numbers to vote FOR her. And her loss would drag Congress even further down.

This election could have been a transformative, progressive victory with Sanders and all the progressive candidates down ticket who would have ridden his coattails to victory.

But HRC/DNC stole the nomination, and fulfilled our forecasts.
 
 
+4 # crispy 2016-11-10 02:30
Correct and there was still a way out at the convention: nominating a super progressive VP like Dennis Kucinich/Russ Feingold/E Warren or even BERNIE HIMSELF - but NO, the DNC pushed Kane! Who? Kane? Who is that?
 
 
+4 # rural oregon progressive 2016-11-10 12:00
He was the former head of the DNC, who graciously stepped aside after Hillary lost to Obama, so DSW could be placed at the top (wink, nod--- "hey Timmy, step down and let us put Hillary's Debbie Wasserman-Shult z in charge and we'll select YOU as Hillary's running mate")...
 
 
+9 # grandlakeguy 2016-11-09 19:21
We will never change things in this country until we have REAL elections rather than this fake charade election theater that Americans so blindly accept like sheep.

WAKE UP AMERICA…
OUR ELECTIONS ARE TOTALLY FRAUDULENT!

We need to have hand counted paper ballots with all interested parties able to observe and absolute retention of every ballot to allow for recounts.

Until our elections are honest we are not a free people.
 
 
+1 # crispy 2016-11-10 02:33
AGREED but that wont happen with the current map for a while unless maybe we agree on pushing this in our states until it is too embarrassing for them not to act or do it via propositions where it can be done.
 
 
+1 # crispy 2016-11-10 02:27
" the unholy alliance of the DNC and the Clintons" AND mainstream media that failed to cover Bernie for a very long time (at a critical moment) and then gave him minimal time all while covering Trump daily and giving him a pass on his lies and assaults on so many non-whites and the Pope. That included National Pentagon Radio (NPR)which should receive daily protest emails for their bias. Even today, Nov 9, they interviewed MORE Trump supporters and spokespersons than Hilary's (they know WHO the new boss is. they are shitting in their pants.)No interview of Gary or Jill's supporters... One wonders why.
 
 
+4 # crispy 2016-11-10 02:36
How about elections by the popular votes rather than a college like in all other Democracies? Oops I forgot we are a corporatist oligarchy (even Carter admitted we had become an oligarchy in an interview a cple years ago)
 
 
+18 # lfeuille 2016-11-08 23:41
So maybe Clintonism is dead. But what happens next. The problem will be convincing the Democrats that this was not because they because they were too liberal, but because they were too complacent. Bernie could have won this. Will they move in his direction now or will they try to get even closer to the center?
 
 
+7 # rural oregon progressive 2016-11-09 00:15
Sadly, right-center is where they have been heading for several years... I hope the drift reverses, but will have to see it to believe it.
 
 
+9 # Salus Populi 2016-11-09 10:16
If their recent history is any guide, they will claim that Jill Stein and Gary Johnson "spoiled" Florida for them, smear the whole concept of third parties, and with elite control once more reassured, go on their merry way as the Republican Lite Party, hysterically demanding that everyone fall in line lest the dread Teepers win and move the country to the Reicht. Again. And again. Launder, rinse, repeat.

And because Boobus Americanus wants to believe in our general benevolence, they'll continue to get away with it.
 
 
+2 # rural oregon progressive 2016-11-09 17:24
They already are... It seems to be everyone else's fault (Bernie's, Jill's, Johnson's). There will be no internal reflection. No acknowledgement that it being "her turn" was not sufficient reason to force a horribly flawed and disliked candidate to the top of the ticket. Claim what they will, this Loss is on the DNC insiders and on Hillary.
 
 
+15 # librarian1984 2016-11-09 00:44
Yes, while I'm a bit numb, the good news is that Clintonism is dead. It had better be.

Sanders was (too) restrained about Clinton's foreign policy and the election theft. I HOPE, though, that he will not be silent about the leadership of the DP. He could sweep in and take over the party if he plays it right.

Go Bernie! Occupy the Democratic Party!
 
 
+13 # rural oregon progressive 2016-11-09 01:02
Ah, but aren't you gonna miss the impeachment proceedings... Here the Republicans thought they'd spend the next two years impeaching instead of governing... Now they will have to govern... So yes, it is time for Bernie to occupy and get ready for the 2018 mid-terms... time for us to re-energize and get real progressives on ballots.
 
 
+1 # crispy 2016-11-10 03:07
"Here the Republicans thought they'd spend the next two years impeaching instead of governing..." Yeap but they will spend months on hearings on the Clinton Foundation (possibly even on emails again) and a special prosecutor to DISTRACT us from their actions.
 
 
+6 # MsAnnaNOLA 2016-11-09 09:01
Or too corrupt. They nominated a corrupt person under FBI investigation. Duh! They lost.
 
 
+5 # librarian1984 2016-11-09 09:41
We need a clean sweep of the Dem leadership. They had a winning hand and they stole the nomination for a losing candidate, the epitome of an establishment candidate.

The DP needs a correction. It needs to pivot back to progressivism under Bernie Sanders, beg those Sanders supporters to come on board before 2018, and appeal to economic justice voters.
 
 
+1 # Radscal 2016-11-09 15:16
We need to build a strong alternative to the Democratic Party.

The DP may co-opt some progressive issues to become viable, but they are systemically corrupt. Now Chuck Schumer is the most powerful Democrat in office! One could barely find a more corporatist/Wal l Street/warmonge r.

We tried to Occupy the Democratic Party, and they showed us the door.

I've stepped through that door, for good this time.
 
 
-2 # librarian1984 2016-11-10 10:53
Some of us gave up on internal change after this nomination process and decided to work outside the DP. Some want to change it from the inside. For that latter group this is an opportunity. We don't know if they'll be successful but this is a good time to try.

If Sanders could take over the DP that would be a good thing. I don't know if he can but he should try.

And I consider him the Democrats' leader and am calling both my senators today to tell them so.

(I am SO glad we won't be hearing from the Clintons!!)

Cheers!
 
 
+1 # crispy 2016-11-10 03:10
Quoting MsAnnaNOLA:
Or too corrupt. They nominated a corrupt person under FBI investigation. Duh! They lost.

He is also under investigations all bight not by the FBI (yet)
Th ewoman who was accusing him of rape when she was 13 withdrew because of death threats (and perhaps she was paid...) she remains anonymous
 
 
+11 # ywsf 2016-11-09 00:16
this whole thing reeks of bush v gore. bush's shock when gore was pronounced winner and said "not possible'. Trump said if he didn't win the vote was rigged. He knew is was rigged in his favor. I think this is the total coup by the 1% for total rule over us. We are in for such much trouble I can't even think about it.
 
 
+3 # Radscal 2016-11-09 15:19
The coup of 2016 was when Sanders was ripped off. The 1% then had two sycophants to let us believe we were choosing between.

As Gore Vidal told us for decades, the oligarchs prefer their Republican Team A, but if need be, they let us have their Democratic Team B.
 
 
+14 # Lloyd Wagner 2016-11-09 01:12
Gee, I've been saying all along that the entire election process is a sham, and all I got was multiple anonymous thumbs-down, on this site.
What changed, I wonder.
 
 
+7 # economagic 2016-11-09 09:13
Good question! My guess is that most of the Hillbots were disabled after the conventions.
 
 
+2 # librarian1984 2016-11-09 09:46
Yeah, let's see who doesn't show up for 'work' today.

omg the Clintons are gone. Trump defeated the Bushes and the Clintons!

Remember the Mule from Asimov's Foundation series. Here it is.

Trump tapped something and the establishment and their lapdog msm were in abject denial right until it crumbled beneath them.

Wrenching, but so much better than neocon wars.

I have high hopes for Bernie. Go get 'em! Occupy the DP. Work with Trump. Pass single payer healthcare right away.
 
 
+3 # lfeuille 2016-11-09 23:50
I just read that Bernie has said he will work with Trump if he is serious about improving things for the working class but will oppose him on any racist sexist, homophobic or anti-immigrant efforts. About what I would expect. If he can talk him into single-payer that would be quit a coup. Trumps plan was the typical Republican nonsense of tax cuts for unregulated private insurance.
 
 
+1 # crispy 2016-11-10 03:13
librarian and lfeuille are you under the influence of ecstasy? Or am I too realistic/cynical?
IF YOU ARE RIGHT HERE I WILL TRY Ecstasy for sure.
 
 
-2 # librarian1984 2016-11-10 10:58
I'll take that bet! :-D

When I see the GOP's disarray, I see golden opportunities -- and I have great faith in Bernie.
 
 
+11 # Majikman 2016-11-09 01:39
Didn't it ever strike people as odd that HRC's rallies never had more than a handful of people? And that she only did a handful of those rallies? She mostly did private fund raisers.
People will vote for a real republican before they'll vote for a fake democrat.
 
 
+12 # rural oregon progressive 2016-11-09 01:54
It was beyond odd... But MSM spent all their time pumping up the clown show and the Hillary show. They never gave Bernie the coverage that his historic run deserved. He was marginalized as a cute little side-show. No MSM coverage pointing out the disparity in excitement between the two campaigns as they covered all-things Clinton and all-stupid-stat ements of Trump. MSM created the Clinton-Trump general election. Then, like the fool that she is, Hillary disparaged millinnial voters and Sanders supporters declaring that she did not need them to win... Now she is wondering how she lost to Trump... Which leads me to believe that she thought the vote-machine controllers were going to flip things her way... Ooops, bad plan, huh?
 
 
+10 # Doc Mary 2016-11-09 02:32
We have been talking about this for years. And nobody did anything. Going to do something now?
 
 
+6 # Ted 2016-11-09 06:39
My position stays the same.
The only way out of this rigged two-party scam is to throw a cog into the machinary by strongly supporting the only truly Progressive party.

Vote Green.
 
 
-5 # Robbee 2016-11-09 10:10
Quoting Ted:
My position stays the same.
The only way out of this rigged two-party scam is to throw a cog into the machinary by strongly supporting the only truly Progressive party. Vote Green.

- as robbee always says - lie down with jillie - and wake up with rump

bernie wrote the dem party platform

TR, RN & JS - keep proving that there is no room in a 2-party system - for a 2nd progressive party - how many more regressive prez's will it take for some of us to get it?

progressives owned the only progressive party that we needed - jillie and jillieheads are on rump's side

as i've been saying all democalypse 2016 - jillie and jillieheads are F U L L O F T H E M S E L V E S - own it! - own your rump presidency!

and don't give me any parliamentary system crap! - the 2-party system was our only chance to stop rump! - hitler won germany with 37% of the vote! - too bad germany had no 2-party system

hats off to bernie! warren! ash! weissman! galindez! reich! rich! me! and way too few other readers here! - for trying to get us to vote hill!
 
 
-7 # Robbee 2016-11-09 10:23
# wcandler1 2016-08-26 09:54
"help progressive political candidates across the country." Does that include the Green Party?

- yes and no!

dems are progressive - greens are progressive

when greens run against dems in general elections - theirs are not progressive candidacies - theirs are candidacies that get conservatives - a/k/a repugs - elected

the same can be said for dems running against greens

whether it be the green primary or the dem primary - progressive candidates have to show progressive discipline - the solidarity - to run in the SAME primary

for example tim canova exhibits progressive discipline and solidarity by running against DWS in the dem primary

on the other hand jill who? exhibits lack of progressive discipline and solidarity by refusing to run against hill - only in the dec primary - get it?

great question! - this is the nub of what jill who supporters - in essence rump supporters - refuse to get! - so full of themselves! - mad as hell! and too mad to see straight! - just like jill who - they only hurt the ones they love! - other progressives!
 
 
+3 # crispy 2016-11-10 03:22
DON'T' Blame it on Jill blame it on Podesta, Hilary, DNC, and MSM. For God's sake Jill got 1%! Come on Robbee don't give us that shit!

And NO Nader did not elect Bush: the Supreme court nominated Bush and Americans were too stupid not to revolt with daily protests allowed by a general strike, with unions paying part of lost wages - as is done in Western Europe.
 
 
+5 # John S. Browne 2016-11-09 10:40
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No, the only way(s) is to completely do away with the "(s)electronic" 'voting' machines, Citizen's United, corporate money in politics, the neoliberal-neoc on stranglehold on the Supreme Court, etc.! But "public enemy number one" is the electronic voting machines!

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-5 # Kiwikid 2016-11-09 13:20
It wouldn't matter - even if the system reverted to paper you'd still not be happy if it didn't deliver the result you wanted.
 
 
+3 # rural oregon progressive 2016-11-09 17:27
Quoting Doc Mary:
We have been talking about this for years. And nobody did anything. Going to do something now?


Yep! Resigning the DP and joining the Working Families Party...
 
 
+1 # crispy 2016-11-10 03:17
correct NO BILL with Hilary's name to mandate paper ballots for all federal job elections (a 3 line bill that would have taken 1 min to write)
In FACT NO BILL at all from Congress or call from traitor Obama.
 
 
+16 # rural oregon progressive 2016-11-09 03:10
Daily Kos is now posting a shameless article advocating for Bernie to head the DNC... Daily Kos, Salon, and Huffington Post and other supposed "progressive" sites ridiculed Sanders as they pushed Clinton during the past year. Her candidacy is barely dead and now comes Kos advocating for Sanders to revive the Democratic Party. Sounds to me like they are trying to figure out how to save their "brand"... Full disclosure: I did not see the article, but was told of it. I have not gone to the Daily Kos site for several months, and am not willing to give them an internet "hit" by checking for accuracy... Instead, I will trust my trusted source. Kos, Salon and Huffpost are dead to me, and I will not visit their site. I remain disgusted by their phony progressive propaganda.
 
 
0 # Robbee 2016-11-09 10:26
- not that there's anything wrong with bernie heading the dnc!
 
 
+2 # Kiwikid 2016-11-09 13:22
No argument from me, except I could wish Bernie were a little younger. Just a little.
 
 
+3 # rural oregon progressive 2016-11-09 15:27
Quoting Robbee:
- not that there's anything wrong with bernie heading the dnc!


True, but we need him most to remain in the Senate and to be a loud and visible leader. My point was, that DK has suddenly gotten "religion". One of my favorite greeting cards was given to me 30 some years ago by my wife when I became a local union president... That card continues to adorn my "retirement desk" at home... It reads: "Mostly, people change not because they see the light - but because they feel the heat"
 
 
+2 # lfeuille 2016-11-09 23:55
That takes some nerve. Personally I would rather see Bernie as minority leader where he would have some influence on policy, not just politicking. Wall Street darling Schumer is not the one who can convince people that the party is listening.
 
 
+10 # Timshel 2016-11-09 07:22
Clinton lost because she clearly stood for a diseased way of economics, the profit system, that has been damaging, even destroying, the lives of Americans for all the years it has existed. The Podesta e-mails hurt her primarily because it confirmed for voters that she was two-faced and did not really stand behind the progressive platform she so reluctantly agreed to.

It is ironic that Trump won because the immense ethical objection to establishment economics that Bernie Sanders stood for, stifled by a corrupt Democratic establishment, found its only expression through a man and a party who will undoubtedly do even more economic damage to Americans. If only this much is seen clearly by Americans, despite all the MSM lies that will be told in the coming days, there will still be good reason to hope for a better future.

I look to Bernie Sanders to lead the real resistance to all the trumpery we will be subject to in the next four years, including from the MSM, and to one of his best surrogates to take up the torch in 2020. Our best hopes are: Sanders now and Nina Turner in 2020.
 
 
+9 # librarian1984 2016-11-09 08:16
Exactly. Sanders is the Democrats' leader whether they like it or not. I hope he guides Trump and works with him. I hope he takes over the Democratic Party.
 
 
+8 # economagic 2016-11-09 09:16
A bizarre possibility, but entirely possible here down the rabbit hole!
 
 
+2 # John S. Browne 2016-11-09 09:46
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I haven't read the comments in this thread yet, but are people already screaming, yelling and/or whining however "quietly" that those who wouldn't, and didn't, vote for "Hitlery" are supposedly responsible for Trump's winning? They probably are, and I'll find out soon enough when I get around to reading the comments here.

First of all, I was concerned that it was "Trump's (and/or the "RethugliCON" Party's) turn". You've probably noticed that for the last number of years, it's been "DemoCON", and then "RethugliCON", then "DemoCON" again, and then "RethugliCON" again, trading off on which side of the coin the really "one-party" system is installed in the U.S. presidency. Either way, it's "U.S.A., Incorporated". Anyway, if "Hitlery's" health doesn't completely deteriorate in the next four or eight years (which it probably will), and/or she doesn't go completely "bat-shit", "looneytunes" crazy in that time (also, since she is already insane, quite possible), it will be her turn next time (God forbid!).

(Continued below)
 
 
+1 # John S. Browne 2016-11-09 09:47
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Secondly, of course the "(s)election" was stolen, as it now is every time by both sides of the aisle! It's really the globalist deep state shadow, U.S.A., Inc., and the Bilderberg group government that steals it every time, making certain their puppet(s) is and/or are installed. So, evidently I was right, though I couldn't know for sure, that Trump is also a globalist and was (secretly?) working with them to be their choice this time, fraudulently making it look like we have a "properly-funct ioning" constitutional republic by each political party trading off on occupying the evil "hexagonal office" in the "Black House" every four, but usually eight, years.

Look at it this way, you disheartened "Hitlery-bots" and "useful-idiots" for the status quo globalist corporate-fasci st oligarchy of which she, and now obviously Trump as well, are a part, we would have been, and are, fracked either way, with Trump or "Hitlery" in place. It is not beyond the realm of possibility(ies ) that Trump will choose "Hitlery" for some high office in his cabinet, as all agreed to in advance with the Bilderberg globalist deep state shadow government, such as appointment to be Secretary of State again. After all, it is now clear that both Trump and "Hitlery" are neoliberal-neoc on puppets.

(Continued below)
 
 
+3 # John S. Browne 2016-11-09 09:48
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Anyhow, it's now Trump's turn to intentionally destroy the U.S. some more, by design of the globalist dictators and enslavers, doing away with U.S., Western and other world sovereignty and independence, and take the U.S., the West and the world further down the path of global government dictatorship and enslavement by bringing those, and more and more, countries under world government's absolute domination, subjugation and control, with no True Human and Civil Rights, and no True Liberty and Freedom, but only global enslavement in the completely-fals e guise of "saving humanity and the planet (by exterminating most of us---that, after all, IS their ultimate goal, no matter which side of the globalist 'World Government, Inc.' side of the coin occupies the U.S. presidency)".

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+2 # economagic 2016-11-09 11:47
I think both this claim and the counter-claim are claiming to know a lot more than we really do, including the notion that the real olligarchs -- if they do have any actual power -- care a whit about who the president of this country is. Maybe they do, maybe they have whoever happens to occupy that office in their control, maybe it doesn't matter to them.
 
 
+5 # JayaVII 2016-11-09 12:30
They seemed to care about JFK, and did what they thought necessary. I'm interested, what do you think has changed between now and then?
 
 
+2 # John S. Browne 2016-11-09 14:03
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Very well said, "JayaVII".

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0 # economagic 2016-11-09 18:09
I think that action was on a smaller scale, a lot closer to home than Bilderberg and Co.!
 
 
+3 # JayaVII 2016-11-09 11:07
This strikes me as an example of circular or non-disprovable reasoning. Because Trump was elected, and we know a priori that the system is rigged, therefore Trump is the chosen one of the oligarchs. But in fact those at the top of the corporate system by and large supported Hillary, as she's a proven ally, whereas Trump is a bull in the china shop, whose policies are not only unknown, but really nonexistent, as he's a celebrity with an image, not a politician with a program. So one interesting development of this election is that the permanent government did NOT get its way. If I were Trump, I would not do a lot of flying between now and the inauguration.
 
 
+4 # John S. Browne 2016-11-09 11:25
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But it is quite unlikely that the oligarchy didn't get their way. Anymore, they always get their way, or at least their chosen puppet(s) installed. Trump won't be assassinated, because he will "simply" do the will of the global(ist) deep state shadow government as he has been (s)elected to do this time around. And, if he wasn't (s)elected, he will be read the riot act, with death threat(s), by the powers-that-be, that he WILL do the globalist will, "or else"; and then he will bow down and follow their script without any deviation that would get him murdered. In other words, if he's not chosen by the globalists, he's not going to do ANYTHING that will get him killed. He's a coward and knows which side his bread is buttered on. Yet, in truth, I believe he's likely been a willing puppet of the globalists for quite a while now. We will see, though. If he is assassinated, I was wrong.

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-3 # Kiwikid 2016-11-09 16:10
Your omniscience, John, is truly astounding!
 
 
-2 # John S. Browne 2016-11-09 23:06
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Your almost-nothing- but-sarcasm has become thoroughly tiresome, sickening and disgusting. Keep your head buried deep in a hole "down-under", Mate, and see how that works out for ya. Have another pint on me. "Cheers, Big Ears!..."

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+2 # lfeuille 2016-11-10 00:00
I agree. But the "cheating machinery" in not centrally controlled. Trump could have benefitted in some states even without oligarch approval.
 
 
0 # crispy 2016-11-10 03:36
hah ha ha Jaya VII!
Good analysis but Tempe may become the true ruler with a shadow government (remember Perl, Rove, Wolfowitz, Cheney etc under Bush?) READ: Shadow Government!
Tempe, a staunch conservative and subservient Christian fundamentalist may have been selected by Bilderberg/olig archs after J. Bush/Cruise failed to attract voters...
In other words, as the initial plan failed badly with unpredictable angry primary voters, they decided to allow trump to win. They knew they would quickly tell him it was a game and to NOW play it their way or else...
NOW THAT IS MY OPINION.
 
 
0 # crispy 2016-11-10 03:30
After all, it is now clear that both Trump and "Hitlery" are neoliberal-neoc on puppets.

You may be right on this point but as for Trump hiring Hilary it's as unlikely as Trump working with Bernie to get us single payer healthcare (comments above)
 
 
0 # librarian1984 2016-11-10 11:05
It would get rid of Obamacare and save money and shaft the establishment -- win-win-win. And it would give Trump an instant WIN .. which he wants.

Don't naysay .. call your senators!

(And be prepared for ecstacy :-)
 
 
+2 # lfeuille 2016-11-09 23:57
For the most part, no. More are saying that cheating Bernie out of the nomination was the problem.
 
 
+2 # economagic 2016-11-09 09:48
And the recriminations have begun, just as I predicted. Remember now, ONE WEEK ONLY!!!
 
 
+6 # librarian1984 2016-11-09 10:07
I want to take a week just to enjoy the shell shock on Rachel Maddow and Wolf Blitzer's faces.

F^k you, establishment! F^k you, msm! Go get a real job and see how that works for you.

Clintonism is dead! F^k you, Clintons and Bushes and inbred oligarchs! Start scrambling!

Trump doesn't owe a damn thing to any of them not even his own party. Get to work, Congress! Do your dang job!
 
 
+9 # economagic 2016-11-09 11:50
I just received a message from another alt news aggregator site whose people claim to be shocked -- SHOCKED! -- that T-Rump has been declared president, as if they "never could have seen it coming"!
 
 
+2 # crispy 2016-11-10 03:49
I was SHOCKED economagic!

Still can't see how he could EVER get over 1% but then again he was the chosen one for the oligarchs and Bilderberg obviously, just like that unknown Arkansas governor and that little known Illinois Senator we just had for 8 years.

The people's candidate was Jill Stein and she got the 1% instead.
 
 
+6 # PCPrincess 2016-11-09 11:54
Absolutely! We cracked open a couple of stouts and watched as the polls came rolling in and I could not help but yell out loud alone in my room, "See? This is what happens when you allow for-profit media to 'interpret' the needs and thoughts of Americans!" "This is what happens when you miscalculate what 'mainstream' is." "This is what happens when you allow electioneering and theft of people's actual votes." I shouted at the TV (especially MSNBC [MSDNC]), "This is what happens when you cheer-lead for profit, rather than investigate and report."
Had they done so, they might have finally let sink in the fact that Bernie would have cleaned Donald's clock.

The 'upset' win of Donald Trump did not occur simply because vast swaths of Republican voters came out to vote, but due to the complete disgust of the DNC and the corrupt two-party system by progressives who can no longer vote for the lesser of two evils.

They will learn that progressive ideologies are MAINSTREAM. Unfortunately for those of us who 'get it', we must suffer along with the rest until they finally do.
 
 
+1 # crispy 2016-11-10 03:45
"Congress do your dang job!" you mean what oligarchs and the 1% want them to do?
 
 
+5 # JayaVII 2016-11-09 10:01
Looking at my ballot here in LNoy, I noticed that the four candidates are perfectly aligned on the "populist-eliti st"/"left-right " grid:

Hillary: pseudo-left elitist
Donald: right-wing pseudo-populist
Jill: left-wing populist
Johnson: right-wing elitist

In retrospect, it's clear that this was the year of the anti-elitist uprising, and that Hillary never had a doughnut's chance in a cop car. If the primary process had been honest and Bernie allowed to win, he would have revealed Donald's fraudulence by his own genuine rejection of the plutocracy, and swept the election. Look at Michigan. As it goes, so goes the nation. Clintonism, triangulation, government by focus group -- it's all over. Trumpism is even worse -- it's a fascist-style rejection of the reality principle in favor of a weird sort of authoritarian celebrity culture -- but at least the Left won't be anesthetized as it has been for the last 8 years under that middle-manager guy, what's his name again?
 
 
+2 # Douglas Jack 2016-11-09 10:02
Data by statistical experts on electronic computer election theft, delisting of voters, voting-machine theft is so well established that; one can not take the result of any US election as a reflection of how the voters actually choose, feel or think.

Our 'democratic' (Greek 'power-of-the-p eople') challenge as individuals, families, multihome-dwell ing-complexes & as stakeholders in all activity isn't to interpret 'tea-leaves' but to restructure true democracy from the bottom up. India upon facing the brutality of the British-America n empire realized that using empire structures to bring about change is futile, symbolic at best. In 1919 when Mohandas Gandhi came back from South-Africa, elders & community animist sat him down to inform him about India's 'Swadeshi' (Hindi 'indigenous' aka 'self-sufficien cy') independence plan, By supporting each other in local livelihood essential goods & services generation, India gained pride of capacity & as well significantly reduced dependence upon British empire goods & services. With just 5% of Indians in mutual-aid & not buying British goods, foreign corporations with long supply & delivery chains went bankrupt en masse.

India's success reflects their 'indigenous' (L 'self-generatin g') heritage & that of humanity's worldwide indigenous heritage for animating our strengths in Economic Democracy in order to establish a foundation for Politics. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy/8-economic-democracy
 
 
0 # economagic 2016-11-09 11:55
And who the heck is negging this comment? Sounds about right to me. Five percent, eh?
 
 
0 # John S. Browne 2016-11-09 11:15
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I've been noticing this for awhile; what, did all or most of you regular commenters who can't stand me and much of the truth get together, and/or influence eachother, to decide to ignore and/or boycott my comments, or at least not vote for them either way? Eventually people with more sense who come in later, and I guess aren't regular commenters, don't comment at all, or comment very little here, vote my comments up. What, do you wish to reserve your down-votes of my comments to counteract the positive votes and try to at least bring me down to zero or very few votes? Have I seen through your tactic(s)? [Now, who is going to rush to falsely call me "paranoid", etc., first? ...Or are you just going to ignore and/or boycott this comment, too?] I see the forest for the trees.

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+3 # economagic 2016-11-09 11:56
I have nothing against most of your comments, but I think you are seeing more than is actually there, per my comment in the middle of your exchange with JayaVII, above.
 
 
+3 # Kiwikid 2016-11-09 13:29
It would be more useful if RSN showed the running totals on both sides of the ledger. Alas, this has been suggested numerous times, with no action. It could mean that it might expose that far fewer people tune into RSN than Marc and his team would like us to believe.
 
 
+2 # Radscal 2016-11-09 15:48
When you wrote that you would down vote all my comments without ever reading them again, (despite that we generally agree), I decided to show you half of that respect. So, I rarely read your comments, but do not vote one way or the other.
 
 
-1 # John S. Browne 2016-11-09 22:37
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I don't believe I said that I wouldn't read your comments at all anymore. Anyway, I still read your comments, I just automatically down-vote them regardless of whether they're right-on or not, just as I promised. As far as you not reading my comments, I don't give a shit. But your comments are becoming less and less right-on lately, so voting them down is not so much "automatic" as it is the correct thing to do.

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+2 # tr4302@gmail.com 2016-11-09 13:36
grandlakeguy 2016-11-09 01:29
With Bernie Sanders as the candidate the Republicans would have been swept aside by the armies of excited energized voters young and old. We could have won control of both houses of Congress as well as the White House.
There was a spoiler in this election...it was the unholy alliance of the DNC and the Clintons who conspired together and acted out their scheme to deny the choice of Bernie Sanders to the primary voters.
They thought that they knew best and look at where we are now!
Amen!!
 
 
+2 # Kiwikid 2016-11-09 14:14
I thought Librarian's suggestion of ONE WEEK ONLY a very good one. I'm hoping after that we'll all largely be able to move on TOGETHER without constant recriminations about about what did and didn't and what might and might not have happened
 
 
+1 # economagic 2016-11-09 18:12
(That was my line, but I'm glad to see others signing on!)
 
 
+2 # crispy 2016-11-10 03:55
I want to see the exit polls and, so far, it's blackout. WHY??
 

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