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Galindez writes: "Vote for whomever you want this November, then roll up your sleeves and fight for a Progressive agenda. No matter who becomes president, there is more that we agree on than what divides us."

Activists outside the US Capitol. (photo: Paulina Leonovich/Twitter)
Activists outside the US Capitol. (photo: Paulina Leonovich/Twitter)


Progressives Don't Break Up Over Tactics

By Scott Galindez, Reader Supported News

30 August 16

 

ote for whomever you want this November, then roll up your sleeves and fight for a Progressive agenda. No matter who becomes president, there is more that we agree on than what divides us. Set the political parties aside for a moment. We want to end poverty, we want save the planet, we want to get money out of politics, we want universal health care, we want public colleges and universities to be free, and we want to end racism and all forms of bigotry. Those are just some of the issues we need to fight for.

Let’s keep the issues out front and not break up over personalities and the dreaded divider of the left, tactics. We always disagree on tactics, and it keeps us from showing a united front. The launch of “Our Revolution” has not been pretty. Are we really going to split up over whom Bernie trusts to run the organization while he returns to the Senate?

Jeff Weaver is not Karl Rove. Weaver has not been known as someone who spends his time raising money from billionaires. Jeff Weaver does not have a history of representing Wall Street or the Democratic Party establishment.

Weaver was arrested after building a shantytown on Boston University and he sued the university when they prevented him from hanging banners calling for divestment from South Africa. Weaver ran for political office twice as an independent before working on Bernie’s campaigns and Congressional staff. I trust Bernie and Bernie trusts Jeff Weaver.

I don’t want to take sides. I still think we can all work together. I have watched many coalitions fall apart over tactics. We want the same thing; we just disagree on how to get there. I believe in diversity of tactics. Occupy fell apart over tactics. It always happens. Let’s make it different this time.

There is room for electoral politics, mass mobilizations, civil disobedience, democrats, Greens, and independents. We need social media, a ground game, a mass media campaign, a local and a national strategy. We need “Our Revolution,” Brand New Congress, independent media, candidates, activists and voters.

We need everyone. I have said it before and will say it again: Trust Bernie. He cares more about our movement than about his political career.

PRESS RELEASE: Our Revolution Announces Formation of Board

Our Revolution on Monday announced the formation of its board. The diverse coalition of eleven former elected officials, organizational leaders, and grassroots activists join the board to continue the work they started as volunteers and surrogates for Senator Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign, mobilizing progressives across the country to transform American politics.

“I am proud to join the board and continue volunteering for Our Revolution. Bernie’s transformative campaign was just the beginning,” said civil rights leader Ben Jealous. “We now have to follow through on our promises to help pass criminal justice reform, the $15 minimum wage and climate change legislation while stopping our endless wars and the TPP, and electing true progressives from the Deep South to the Northwest.”

“I am proud to continue this work with Our Revolution, because this is the work worth doing,” said former Ohio state senator Nina Turner. “We are focused on the mission of transforming our political landscape issue by issue and candidate by candidate. It is through our unity and engagement that we continue to tap into this awakened consciousness which has the power to transform our country for generations to come.”

“Some of us have spent years working for civil rights, against discrimination and hate crimes. Some of us have worked for workers’ rights, a fair economy, or protecting our environment. Some of us are immigrants, others born here,” said Board Chair Larry Cohen. “But we all have something in common: we want to protect human rights here in the United States and globally.”

“I’m incredibly excited to continue the work that Bernie and so many others started in order to further our shared progressive agenda,” said former Nevada assemblywoman Lucy Flores. “It’s truly an honor to work alongside the talented Our Revolution board and staff, who are as committed as I am to the future of our political movement.”

Full board list below:

Nina Turner
Fmr. Ohio State Senator

Deborah Parker
Native American Leader

Ben Jealous
Civil Rights Leader

Jim Hightower
Political Leader, National Radio Commentator & Writer

Jim Zogby
Arab American Human Rights Leader

Huck Gutman
Former Chief of Staff for Senator Bernie Sanders

Jane Kleeb
Environmental Activist

Lucy Flores
Fmr. Nevada Assemblywoman

Larry Cohen
Labor

Catalina Velasquez
Immigration, Reproductive Justice and Trans Queer Liberation Activist

Shailene Woodley
Actress and Environmental Activist


Scott Galindez attended Syracuse University, where he first became politically active. The writings of El Salvador's slain archbishop Oscar Romero and the on-campus South Africa divestment movement converted him from a Reagan supporter to an activist for Peace and Justice. Over the years he has been influenced by the likes of Philip Berrigan, William Thomas, Mitch Snyder, Don White, Lisa Fithian, and Paul Wellstone. Scott met Marc Ash while organizing counterinaugural events after George W. Bush's first stolen election. Scott will be spending a year covering the presidential election from Iowa.

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+26 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-30 11:08
Hello again, Mr. Galindez or should I say buenos tardes with my limited Spanish?

I'd love to know how you're defining "personalities. " That word comes up a lot. No sarcasm or anything. I make no claims of being Einstein or politically savvy. That's a genuine question.

Thank you for not suggesting we vote for the current Dem. I mean that sincerely. I'm becoming just as worried about Dems running for U.S. Congressional seats and beginning to feel Greener all the time.

Activism? Check. Some social media? Check. Some of the other stuff you listed? Check & working on it.

Chocolate, tree & cute-ball-of-fu r hugging, more yoga to keep myself sane? Check. Ground game and national strategy? Yeah, we need as much as possible NOW.

Weaver? Iffy. Sorry, but I feel iffy.

One thing I'm worried about is more donating. Since the news about the lawsuits and the recently deceased lawyer, I don't feel safe donating via Act Blue again. I wanted to when I saw Bernie's launch of Our Revolution at a watch party. I really did. But I MUST know that the wee $ I can give is NOT going anywhere near HRC and her gang.

I saw the video of Larry Cohen's warning-breakdo wn of TPP. Like Bernie and Nina Turner, He is GALVANIZING. We need more like him and Nina and we need them NOW.
 
 
+39 # grandlakeguy 2016-08-30 13:07
BlueMorpho, you mention the "lawsuits and the recently deceased lawyer"..and of course that references the theft of primary elections.
That is the critical issue right now that overshadows everything else!

DEAR SCOTT GALINDEZ:
All that you say in your article makes good sense.
Yes we need to support progressive candidates,
Yes we need to be part of Bernie's "Our Revolution" movement!
Yes, Jeff Weaver is not Karl Rove and the movement deserves to flourish and grow!
Yes we want to end poverty!
Yes we want to save the planet!
Yes we want universal health care!
Yes we want money out of politics!

And you tell us to "Vote for whomever you want this November" (Thanks for not parroting the Vote for Hillary or die crap!)

BUT….
AMERICAN ELECTIONS ARE ABSOLUTELY FRAUDULENT!!!!!!!!!!!

I know that you are intelligent enough to know the truth of that statement.

So we should all work hard to constantly see our Progressive champions lose in 51% to 49% races because the powers that be decide that will be the reported result?

Bernie Sanders enjoyed a wave of support that was unprecedented in modern politics and yet he lost to an opponent whom 70% of Americans label as untrustworthy and has a terrible record of poor judgement, lies and "mistakes" that end up costing hundreds of thousands of innocents their lives and ruin entire nations! BS!

THE ONLY PATH TO A PROGRESSIVE FUTURE IS TO EXPOSE THE FRAUDULENT AND STOLEN ELECTION SYSTEM IN OUR COUNTRY!

(CONTINUED)
 
 
+43 # grandlakeguy 2016-08-30 13:24
(CONTINUED)

You, and every journalist of conscience should be screaming about the election theft that has become an epidemic in this country!

There is no reason to believe ANY reported result in ANY election as long as our votes are cast on computerized voting equipment with secret software, counted by optical scanners than can be manipulated and the results controlled by those who are capable of changing the results!

Real progressive change can NEVER occur as long as it is outside of the interests of the status quo power brokers who control the outcome of our "elections".

Those powerful people in the DNC decided a long time ago that "this is Hillary's time"( as her obnoxious campaign literature has proclaimed for the past year or more) and there would be no allowing some upstart democratic Socialist to challenge that decision…no matter how popular he was.

The entire primary process was a sordid display of dishonesty and manipulation and we will never know the extent of the fraud due to the scourge of black box voting.

Every European country that bought into the computerized voting scam years ago has long since thrown those devices into the trash.

The only reliable method to have honest elections is a return to:
HAND COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS
with every step of the process completely transparent to any interested party.
There should be draconian prison sentences imposed on anyone engaged in election theft!

THAT IS WHAT EVERY JOURNALIST SHOULD BE SAYING!
 
 
+20 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-30 15:26
@glg,
YOU'RE. 100%. RIGHT.

Everything I said is secondary to that TOP PRIORITY. If it happened during the primaries, how're we supposed to trust what the reported "win" is? In which case, how much of this is a waste? All of it?

@Mr. Galindez,
If you've addressed that, will you continue to do so, as broadly and as loudly as possible?

If you haven't, please do so ASAP.

We're supposed to be in this together and you're asking us to contribute what we can. Yes? You've got the right to expect that. No disagreement.

Well, by the same token, I'm asking. I need to know that someone with a voice, a known voice, will make a real effort to speak of what grandlakeguy has been very correctly shouting a warning about. And I mean "shout" with deepest, utter respect. This calls for shouting. I need some reassurance that I'm not wasting my time.

You might not be able to stop what happens in Nov, but will you at least reassure me that you or someone else will make a big stink about it? And not just here? It's easier to fight, even the worst uphill battle if I know someone's got my back in that way.
 
 
+12 # grandlakeguy 2016-08-30 16:01
and once again I must say….

HILLARY CLINTON IS NO MORE THE LEGITIMATE NOMINEE

THAN

GEORGE W BUSH WAS A LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT!


I will NEVER vote for an election thief!
 
 
+12 # Ted 2016-08-30 16:33
The f bi has already begun the set-up with the "leaked" announcement of "foreign" hackers getting into 2 state's election board computers.
 
 
-27 # Tigre1 2016-08-30 16:47
Hillary Clinton is more honest than the day is long. You parrot disproven talking points of ignorant lazy bought-off press persons, and hold forth on truth as if you had a franchise from Kochs.

Or do you have a contract you haven't mentioned that requires you to tell those outmoded lies ?
You've amused me in the past, and after long reading I detect certain semblances of willingness to lie coupled with a lot of certitude.

I hope someone moons you in personal conversation soon, and that you get the point.

Oh, yes, you are entitled to your OWN opinion, but your screed is NOT your own, and you know it.
 
 
+19 # Ted 2016-08-30 17:41
Tigre1, what lies are you saying grandlakeguy has told?

I have also followed many of his posts and have never noticed any lies.

Of course, if your conception of honesty is clinton, that would confuse the issue.
 
 
+16 # grandlakeguy 2016-08-30 19:35
Tigre1 says:

"Hillary Clinton is more honest than the day is long."

You must have an incredibly short day where you live.
HER lies are very well documented and extremely numerous.
I have never posted anything that I did not believe to be absolutely true.

I cannot understand how any citizen of this country can turn a blind eye to the theft of our elections.

It is YOUR freedoms that are being stolen too Tigre1!
 
 
+6 # librarian1984 2016-08-31 07:33
"Hillary Clinton is more honest than the day is long."

hahahahahahahaha

omg, that's a LOT of nonsense for one sentence. All HRC 'is' is an adept liar -- one who knows how and when to lie, to whom, and how to cover it up.

Your bs meter is definitely broken. Do you find yourself the victim of scams and cons often, or is this a particular blind spot?
 
 
+5 # DaveEwoldt 2016-08-31 12:52
Tigre1, since you don't seem to realize this, I feel compelled to point it out--your post is incoherent.
 
 
0 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-31 20:42
@DE,
You cracked me up!! Tee hee!! :-)
 
 
+6 # Radscal 2016-08-30 22:45
Spot on, GLG. And now, the corporate media is blasting us with warnings about how easily hackable is our election process.

They're telling us that voter rolls could be purged (stripped).

They're telling us that electronic voting machines and paper ballot tabulating machines can be flipped.

That is, they are now admitting what we Sanders supporters have been screaming that we were watching happen in real time. Yet, not a word about how the Democratic Nomination was stolen.

Oh, and despite the government report saying they don't know who did the hacking, the "liberal press" is yelling "The Russians did it; The Russians did it!"
 
 
+8 # grandlakeguy 2016-08-31 00:13
Yes Radscal we have known that elections have been systematically stolen in this fashion since at least 2002!

After the blatant purging of eligible voters and other manipulations followed by the subsequent judicial coup d'etat that put Bush/Cheney in power in 2000 the Republicans learned that Americans and our esteemed press just didn't care about such trivial matters as election theft.

(Just don't mess with anything really important like our sports circuses!)

Emboldened by their success the next step was called HAVA or "The Help America Vote Act" which, of course, was another Bush misnomer that meant exactly the opposite of the title.

So instead of old style voting machines with "hanging chads" (incidentally the reason that we had those voting cards that were not properly punched through was because nobody bothered to clean out the paper chad reservoirs in the machines. Have you ever tried to use a hole puncher that was full of paper from too much punching? Same thing!)But at least with the old punch card system there remained physical evidence that could be examined, that evidence was not acceptable to the Karl Rove machine and a new approach had to be found!

We soon had the "magic" of computer voting !
No Muss, No Fuss, no messy paper chads or paper trails and best of all secret software that could be programmed to spit out any "Result" the elite decided upon and no one the wiser.

A new day in elections dawned in America!
(continued)
 
 
+5 # grandlakeguy 2016-08-31 00:26
Now we hear that the "Russians" are tampering with our honest and reliable elections!
The TV journalists are up in arms!
Horrors of Horrors! Our sacred right of choice imperiled!

My take is that now that the DNC has gotten a taste of the intoxicating brew of election theft that there looms a duel of election thieves this November!

I hope to see an outcome where BOTH of the two major parties claims a win with about 60% of the vote EACH!
That's 120% plus whatever percentage they decide to report for the Green and Libertarian parties.

Now THAT will be must see TV!
 
 
+6 # librarian1984 2016-08-31 07:38
Joe Plumber: What's wrong with 120%? That's good, isn't it?

Joe Sixpack: Don't Americans get extra percents?

Morning Joe: Why do you hate America, glg?
 
 
+16 # tedrey 2016-08-30 13:33
I agree with Scott and mostly with BlueMorpho. However, there are some great progressives running for House and Senate on the Democratic ballot, and I dearly desire not just that they win but also that they pull a much higher percentage of votes than Clinton does.

The Democratic congressional candidates we should vote for are those facing DNC (that is, Clinton) opponents in the primaries.
 
 
+11 # Ralph 2016-08-30 16:31
"However, there are some great progressives running for House and Senate on the Democratic ballot"

I would be curious as to who you think occupies this list? My best guess is that nation-wide, we are looking at maybe one or two true progressives left in the Democratic camp at the federal level. Tulsi Gabbard? I can't think of another one.

I'm voting Green across the board this election. Enough is enough.
 
 
+6 # lfeuille 2016-08-30 22:36
There are several house candidates such Zypher Teachout who are new to national politics. There aren't to many running for the Senate.
 
 
+19 # kundrol 2016-08-30 14:30
After that 'dramatic' vid put out by Sane Progressive, I was very concerned about Jeff Weaver, too. But I think Scott has it right in that we are dealing with yet another split on the basis of tactics. Why the heck can't we have many tactics without having to fight about which one is the most pure or 'right' according to our own subjective opinion? We are in serious trouble folks. It's all hands on deck time, and we absolutely need to work together! I like the Our Revolution board. Especially Larry Cohen and Nina Turner. I think we can trust this board to keep Jeff Weaver headed in the right direction. At least that's my hope.

I agree that the Democrat Party is a lost cause, but there are some good people still aligned with them. So voting for all Democrat congressional candidates that are facing DNC/Clintonite opponents makes sense. I also support the Green Party, but don't feel that should prevent me from supporting Our Revolution as well.
 
 
0 # lfeuille 2016-08-30 22:40
I like the people on the board, but I notice Danny Glover is not there and I wonder why. But more important, I don't really understand what it can accomplish as it is currently constituted. I have reservation about Our Revolution.
 
 
+3 # librarian1984 2016-08-31 07:44
I support BrandNewCongres s.org but I'm going to wait and see what Our Revolution is/does before I do. It sure got off to a rocky start. I'm also interested in what the 12+ who left are going to do. I have no problem with a multipronged approach as long as we don't work against each other.

I like the people listed and I'm glad to see Sanders working to keep the revolution alive. There do appear to be cracks in US complascency but not enough yet. Let's keep working on them. One supposes a Trump OR Clinton presidency will further the disillusionment -- assuming we survive it.

It's when vast numbers of citizens wake up that things will change. Right now they're beginning to stir, but the TPTB were right to cow us with fear and stress. It's worked well as a strategy -- evidence that intelligence does not equate with morality.
 
 
+3 # DaveEwoldt 2016-08-31 13:14
Kundrol, it seems to me the main problem with the arguing over tactics is a result of not having a common goal, an openly agreed upon set of values, or a systemic framework that can hold it all together.

Progressives do have a common set of _symptoms_ that need addressing--ine quity, climate change, imperialism, etc--but this isn't the same thing as a common goal.

This is why I'm always advocating for sustainability to become the common goal of the environmental, justice, and democracy movements. There can be no justice without sustainability, and without justice there will never be peace.

We also have an internationally vetted set of common progressive values we can champion. They are supplied by the Earth Charter. These pillars of the Earth Charter are respect and care for the community of life, ecological integrity, social and economic justice, and democracy, nonviolence and peace.

Were we to openly and vehemently espouse this goal and these values, we would see how the tactics we're individually passionate about in our Fight for $15, Black Lives Matter, Keep it in the Ground, ballot paper trail, etc would be synergistically advancing the common goal in adherence to the shared values.

The systemic framework that can hold it all together are the natural systems principles of life itself--self-or ganizing non-hierarchica l networks of mutual support. There are processes and methods available that can lay a foundation for all of this.
 
 
+1 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-31 18:52
@DW,
Thanks to your reply, I've been to the Earth Charter's website. I hadn't heard of it before this. I skimmed some stuff but will read more later. What you advocate for perfect sense. It covers everything.
 
 
+4 # DaveEwoldt 2016-08-31 23:11
Thanks, BlueMorpho. I've been trying to refine the basic outline of an alternative that works with life down to where it will fit within the RSN comment character limit. Perhaps I've finally got it.
 
 
+4 # jimallyn 2016-08-31 00:25
Quoting BlueMorpho:
I don't feel safe donating via Act Blue again. I wanted to when I saw Bernie's launch of Our Revolution at a watch party. I really did. But I MUST know that the wee $ I can give is NOT going anywhere near HRC and her gang.

I have seen several people make this sort of statement, but I have yet to see any evidence that money given through ActBlue has gone anywhere other than where it was intended to go. (Money given through the DNC is, of course, a different story.) If anybody has any reliable information on this, please enlighten me.
 
 
-1 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-31 18:52
@jimallyn,
So it's safe? I can trust it?
 
 
+3 # jimallyn 2016-09-01 00:34
Quoting BlueMorpho:
@jimallyn,
So it's safe? I can trust it?

As far as I know, yes, you can trust it. I just made three more contributions through ActBlue today, and will probably make a few more tomorrow.
 
 
+26 # DogSoldier 2016-08-30 12:32
It appears that Our Revolution is an attempt to change the Democrat Party from within, which I believe is a waste of time. The Democrats have been moving rightward since the Clinton's and the DLC came on the scene in the 90's. With Hillary leading the ticket, and all her neo-con supporters jumping on board I can only see this rightward drift intensifying. I expect that if she is elected we'll see Victoria Nuland as Sec.State, and Paul Wolfowitz as Sec.Defense, bringing further fascism and war mongering to the country. I absolutely refuse to have anything further to do with the Democrats. I believe Bernie made a huge mistake in not continuing his run as a Green Party candidate, and my efforts will be to ensure the growth of the Green Party not to kiss Hillary Clinton's humongous ass. I want to destroy the Democrat Party, not help it survive.
 
 
+14 # Bryan 2016-08-30 16:01
''I want to destroy the Democrat Party, not help it survive.''

DITTO.
Both parties think the US is a country ''of, by and for 'the parties' ---instead of 'of, by and for the people''.

Destroy them both.
 
 
+9 # DogSoldier 2016-08-30 12:39
"Hear that giant sucking sound?

It’s Our Revolution sucking disappointed Bernie supporters back into the Democratic Party to support the likes of Mike Derrick and Hillary Clinton."

Matt Funiciello and the Giant Sucking Sound Coming Off Lake Champlain
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/30/86203/
 
 
+12 # CTPatriot 2016-08-30 15:28
Thanks for posting this. Bernie long ago told us to never put our trust in any individual, including himself, to run the political revolution. Now he has endorsed Hillary and taken a group that should have been created as a partnership with the grassroots and instead established it as a top-down dictatorship run by Jeff Weaver, who is currently an endorser of and advisor to Hillary Clinton.

To me these are warning signs. I do not trust Jeff Weaver no matter what wonderful progressive protest he may have done in his past nor do I trust anyone (looking at you Scott) who sees their role as to herd us into Our Revolution.

If and when Our Revolution proves to be a tool of the progressive grassroots, then I will support it. For now, I will look for other "tactics" like Brand New Congress, etc. that don't seem to be so wedded to the Democratic Party.

Thanks for that link, crzkat. Yet one more warning sign.
 
 
+26 # anarchaos 2016-08-30 13:28
There is another choice that - if we can get away from the "cannot win" meme (and self-fulfilling prophecy) - and ALL support this: Jill2016.com/pl an "Look at things as they could be and ask; 'Why Not'?" WHY NOT 'Cuz, the lesser of two evils is still evil!! And NOT voting is actually a choice.
 
 
0 # dadhantat 2016-08-30 14:34
Few, if any, in this forum are going to like what I say here, but I am going to say it. You peple are preaching to the choir here. The latest'I got one better' is "hear that giant sucking sound". There is little or no room for people seeking to express their well thought out opinions. I have not heard nor have I seen anything on the national level, state or local level that causes me to believe that Jill Stien has a snow balls chance in hell of winning. What a discern from reading comments from well meaning people, is a vote for Stien is nothing more than a protest vote. While I do not agree with every thing Scott Galindez and Rob Reich have to say, I do believe they have well reasoned arguments. This election is a blip in time that will pass. Four years of Clinton will pass. What really matters is what the american public ( meaning everyone in this forum) is going to actively do in the next four years ( weather in or out of the democratic party). I suspect that many of those expressing their angst will do little or nothing to substatially change the reality in which we live.
 
 
+8 # Ted 2016-08-30 15:24
Wow. You certainly used a lot of words to say...whatever it was you were trying to say.
 
 
+28 # Saberoff 2016-08-30 16:04
A vote for Jill Stein is more than "just a protest vote." The system is rigged in such a way as to marginalize third parties by requirements just as how many votes they get! Where they stand in the polls, etc.
A vote for a third party is way more meaningful than a vote for either of the sold-out, lying clowns of the two.
 
 
+24 # BettyFaas 2016-08-30 16:21
Dad...if Dr. Jill doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, she doesn't get coverage because of attitudes like yours and she doesn't get coverage because she is not a corporatist or war-monger, but she has an amazing platform that America needs if it is to survive in the long run. I have the same passion for her as I had for Bernie because she is authentic!
 
 
-12 # Henry 2016-08-30 16:43
Quoting BettyFaas:
Dad...if Dr. Jill doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, she doesn't get coverage because of attitudes like yours and she doesn't get coverage because she is not a corporatist or war-monger, but she has an amazing platform that America needs if it is to survive in the long run. I have the same passion for her as I had for Bernie because she is authentic!


Odd, because she inspires no passion whatsoever, in me!
 
 
+2 # DaveEwoldt 2016-08-31 13:23
Sorry to hear your passion has died, Henry. Do you still have a pulse, or any neuronal activity?
 
 
-21 # Tigre1 2016-08-30 16:54
Betty...she's getting coverage now because the lies about Clinton are getting thin now.


Another reason she hadn't gotten any coverage before is that she hadn't the perspicuity to bring on board someone who knew how to interact with the press.

She, like Mr. Orange, knows...better than anyone...everyt hing about campaigning, which is why, like a lot of vanity candidates, never get very far. Except to tip elections to EVIL.

Yup. She's Trump's best friend, and I bet that you know it, too. Which makes you...well, I try not to speak evil of someone unless it's truth, something I can verify myself.

Something learned as a guerilla media guy, mostly.
 
 
+8 # Patriot 2016-08-30 20:53
Well, lights, back again, I see. Try to improve your research this tome around and don't continue to write such drivel.

Jill Stein is NO friend of Donald Trump's; if you had read the Green Pary platform (at gp.org) you'd know that yourself.

Yawn. Try for something more interesting this time around, won't you?
 
 
+2 # librarian1984 2016-08-31 07:54
Patriot, I think you're exactly right. This sounds a lot like lights and PompousAndPious sounds a lot like rocback. They are distinctive in several ways.

Billy Bob was right that they change personae.

Good call!
 
 
0 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-31 20:45
@lib'84,
That's lights? That explains a lot.
 
 
+1 # lfeuille 2016-08-30 22:43
No, she is one of the few telling the truth in public about Clinton. You are very naïve.
 
 
+16 # djnova50 2016-08-30 16:29
I'm not sure what you are trying to say; but, I will be doing what I can to help our world be a better place by voting for Jill Stein. By myself, it would not be a substantial effort; but, if all the people who supported Bernie would vote for Jill Stein, it might help. If all the people who do not like either Hillary or Donald would vote for Jill Stein, that would help as well. Also, if all those people struggling with student loan debt would vote for Jill Stein, that would do it. The number of people, including seniors and disabled receiving SS, have a student loan debt of over $1 trillion. There are around 43 million people with student loan debt. That 43 million is enough to win Jill the election in November, in a three or four way race.
 
 
-16 # Tigre1 2016-08-30 17:00
Go ahead, throw away your vote. That old 'other campaign' ploy still works among the ignorant and short-memoried.

Have used it myself in a campaign. Worked fine, and I'm proud: at that time it fooled a lot of Reeps and tipped the election to a very good person.

But the reeps have gotten sharper, and the folks on our side haven't. Evil prevails when the 'good' get stupid and haven't learned much.

Sorry that I don't have your opinion of Ms. Stein, in her own right a capable person, but 'way, way out of her depth now.

If I thought the way you do, how clear and simple the world would be!

But it ain't, m'am.
 
 
-7 # carytucker 2016-08-31 06:45
Quoting Tigre1:
Go ahead, throw away your vote. That old 'other campaign' ploy still works among the ignorant and short-memoried.

Have used it myself in a campaign. Worked fine, and I'm proud: at that time it fooled a lot of Reeps and tipped the election to a very good person.

But the reeps have gotten sharper, and the folks on our side haven't. Evil prevails when the 'good' get stupid and haven't learned much.

Sorry that I don't have your opinion of Ms. Stein, in her own right a capable person, but 'way, way out of her depth now.

If I thought the way you do, how clear and simple the world would be!

But it ain't, m'am.


At long last, a sequence of astute observations and opinions from an RSN participant. Go get 'em, Tiger.
 
 
+7 # librarian1984 2016-08-31 08:11
By 'throw away your vote' you mean not vote for someone I fundamentally disagree with, someone who will start wars in my name and further spend crucial monies on military adventurism, someone who will hand our nation's security to Wall Street, someone who lies every day, someone who cheats to win the nomination? Not throw our vote away on someone who is a threat to the world and an embarrassment to this country? Agreed!

Supposedly HRC doesn't need our votes, lights. It's going to be a landslide, remember? The Reichmeister dreamed it or had an imaginary conversation, I forget which .. something reliable though, for sure.

I guess it's a little inconvenient that her numbers dropped by 4 or 5 points this past week. Still within the margin of error though. COULD be nothing.

Wouldn't it be funny if Hillary actually DOES need progressive votes? If only she'd been honest. If only she'd REALLY evolved on important issues. If only she hadn't cheated to win. If only she didn't dream of herself at the head of armies.

Maybe in another life she would dream of leading a progressive rebirth of this country, of leading this world out of its crises and toward a better future. Those were possible dreams too but they're not the dreams she chose.

She won't get progressive votes no matter how badly she needs them and she has no one to blame but herself. As usual. Not that that will stop her, and her supporters, from doing so.

No introspection.
 
 
+25 # anarchaos 2016-08-30 13:40
Vote for the Green Party candidate for POTUS and please examine the 'Shadow Cabinet' of the Greens. Why not?
 
 
+12 # jimmyjames 2016-08-30 14:49
Best I can say to you "dad", is that no one thought the women had a snowball's chance of winning the right to vote - but they did.....
 
 
+27 # jimmyjames 2016-08-30 13:50
I honestly do not understand the infatuation people still have with the Democratic Party. It obviously and deliberately abandoned the people who put them in power in the first place. In my opinion, the Democratic Party deserves NO allegiance from me, or any others for that matter. I no longer trust the Democratic Party to represent me, and will vote GREEN from now on. Until we break up this two-party monopoly, change will never happen. JILL STEIN 2016!!!
 
 
+20 # Ted 2016-08-30 15:19
I agree. Loyalty is a two.way street. I recognized the dnc was a dead end for me a while ago.
 
 
-13 # Tigre1 2016-08-30 17:02
Ted...and you have done exactly what, as a Democrat, that earned you any loyalty?
Read this? held forth in the editorial pages of your town's newspapers?

Yeah, how loyal can you be, anyway?
 
 
+7 # Ted 2016-08-30 17:51
How odd that you would assume so much about a person that you don't know anything about.

Not a good idea really. In this case for example you are very definitely wrong.

However on your last point you are very correct, I no longer hold any loyalty to the democratic party.
 
 
-46 # JohnBoanerges 2016-08-30 13:55
Yes, Progressives want more of what was earned by others to give to bureaucrats who will portion out small amounts to favored groups of "needy" people regardless of merit so as to keep them as clients because their (Progressives) head's are stuffed with Ramen noodles or the like and are consumed with envy. Bernie, whose wife destroyed a college because her spending ideas did not match income but so what, She was the hero for a while. Bernie is a similar fool (never held a job outside the public sector). All Progressives are.
 
 
+13 # markovchhaney 2016-08-30 14:33
#JohnBoanerges, I say this with all due respect: blow me.
 
 
+11 # jimmyjames 2016-08-30 14:43
Quoting markovchhaney:
#JohnBoanerges, I say this with all due respect: blow me.

LMAO! Thanks for the chuckle!
 
 
+12 # Ted 2016-08-30 15:16
And me.
 
 
-20 # JohnBoanerges 2016-08-30 18:06
As You are self-proclaimin g to be a Progressive, I'd say that you are due less respect than a bed bug or a hiLIARy Klinton. I welcome your comment as coming from an anti-freedom collectivist.
 
 
+8 # markovchhaney 2016-08-30 18:53
#JohnBoanerge: wow, you derived an awful lot from a one-line comment that made no reference to politics at all. You're not only a twat, you're a mind-reading twat. Impressive.
 
 
+22 # laurele 2016-08-30 14:37
Bill Clinton never held a job outside the public sector. He ran for public office immediately after graduating from law school.
 
 
+21 # jdd 2016-08-30 15:19
Hey, Hillary had one. The board of Walmart!
 
 
+13 # grandlakeguy 2016-08-30 16:31
I wonder how much Hillary got paid by the arms makers for all the business she created for them as SOS?
 
 
+15 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-30 15:04
@JB,
There are too many things off base in your comment to address, so I'll stick to one for now. Bernie did have a job outside the public sector. A little non-prejudiced research is all it takes to find out.

@markovchchavey,
One slight change in your otherwise brilliant reply: with all "contempt."
 
 
-18 # JohnBoanerges 2016-08-30 18:17
Your contempt is welcome as you hate the concept of minding your own business translated to a global stage. I'm sure that you love corporate governance and espouse "muh roads". Sad case of Ramen noodles instead of brains.
 
 
+4 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-30 21:39
@JB,
Your reply makes too little sense for me to be offended by it.
 
 
+14 # reiverpacific 2016-08-30 15:14
Quoting JohnBoanerges:
Yes, Progressives want more of what was earned by others to give to bureaucrats who will portion out small amounts to favored groups of "needy" people regardless of merit so as to keep them as clients because their (Progressives) head's are stuffed with Ramen noodles or the like and are consumed with envy. Bernie, whose wife destroyed a college because her spending ideas did not match income but so what, She was the hero for a while. Bernie is a similar fool (never held a job outside the public sector). All Progressives are.


So why don't ya percolate back into y'r Troll's cave before the daylight strikes and you turn into the stone between y'r ears that seems to form y'r reasoning process.
 
 
-17 # JohnBoanerges 2016-08-30 18:11
After all of our previous back and forth, that's your best shot? Pitiful.
 
 
+1 # reiverpacific 2016-08-31 18:23
Quoting JohnBoanerges:
After all of our previous back and forth, that's your best shot? Pitiful.


You're kick-off was pitiful to start with; lassoing a whole demographic and deeming them "idiots" as you did is pathetic to the square of umpteen and shows a basic lack of worldly experience.
By-eee.
 
 
+10 # sus453 2016-08-30 16:55
REALLY? What alt right tree did you just fall off of?
 
 
+3 # jdd 2016-08-30 14:10
Bernie made no discussion of foreign policy as the Warmonger incorporates the Cheneyiacs into her team and beats the drum for war, demonizing President Putin as well as President Assad. Big mistake. No mention of China's "One belt, one Road" initiative which is defining world politics. Also little mention of Wall Street and Glass-Stegall which propelled Bernie into the limelight in the first place. Without a serious program the anarchists will stiffle this movement.
 
 
+3 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-30 15:05
@jdd,
Which definition of anarchy do you mean?
 
 
-4 # Tigre1 2016-08-30 17:07
Real anarchists don't often agree on the definition of anarchism. Emma Goldman even, is a name unknown to today's so-called anarchists.
Blue Morpho, it was an apt thing for you to write, and I agree to a degree with your question. Might as well start a fight with the so-called anarchists, too, huh?
 
 
+2 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-30 21:49
@Tigre1,
Well, thanks. I guess. I simply prefer clarification to assumptions, a bit more precision. Starting a fight? I leave that to the trolls. There are certainly enough of them here.

Also, while precision helps with communication, there's a limit to how much chickenshit I'll reply to and from whom.
 
 
+5 # sus453 2016-08-30 16:53
#jdd, I agree with everything you are saying except for the last sentence. For one, "anarchists" is a loaded term, and there is not one "anarchist" movement. I know quite a few anarchists where I live in Baltimore, and they are quite committed to, and often successful at, building a movement from the ground up.
 
 
+19 # djnova50 2016-08-30 14:18
There are candidates with progressive values running for public office all across the country. Guess what, the majority of them are not Democrats. In addition to Dr. Jill Stein, the others that I mention every now and then are Joshua Harris, who is running for Mayor of Baltimore City, Ian Schlakman, who is running for city council, also Baltimore; and Arn Menconi, who is running for US Senate in Colorado.

Here is a video where Jill is talking with Joshua Harris, Ian Schlakman, Annie Chambers: https://youtu.be/bHSB3eEZsdQ
 
 
+11 # sus453 2016-08-30 16:49
"In addition to Dr. Jill Stein, the others that I mention every now and then are Joshua Harris, who is running for Mayor of Baltimore City, Ian Schlakman, who is running for city council, also Baltimore; and Arn Menconi, who is running for US Senate in Colorado."

Yes! And don't forget Dr. Margaret Flowers of Maryland who is running for the retiring Barbara Mikulski's Senate seat.
 
 
+21 # anarchaos 2016-08-30 14:19
Dr Jill Stein/Ajamu Baraka (Jill2016.com/p lan) and the, in-need-of-an-u pdate, Green Shadow Cabinet just may be somewhat disconcerting to the oligarch-owned 'powers that be'! Speaking truth to power is more powerful than the lies of establishment politicos. "In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act". George Orwell (1984). Vote FOR Jill/Ajamu in 2016 !!
 
 
+8 # kundrol 2016-08-30 14:49
Good quote. I have a sweatshirt from Wikileaks with it printed on the back.
 
 
+32 # laurele 2016-08-30 14:32
Occupy never "fell apart." Who do you think brought the discussion of the 99 percent versus the one percent into mainstream political discourse and kept it there for years, paving the way for Bernie's campaign? Occupy has remained a strong progressive force in this country even without the tent cities that started it.
 
 
+14 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-30 15:31
@laurele,
Well said, my sister.
 
 
+16 # Ralph 2016-08-30 16:50
I have zero tolerance for people who talk down Occupy, BLM, the Sanders primary campaign, Jill Stein. They may think they are progressive but they aren't.
 
 
+7 # Scott Galindez 2016-08-30 17:17
I dont think I talked bad about Occupy....I was in Freedom Plaza in DC for a couple months...I just meant that we disagreed on tactics which caused us to break up...
 
 
+23 # jimmyjames 2016-08-30 14:38
I've been following the "debates" on RSN (and MSM) for quite some time. Because I am retired/disable d, I have much more time than others to research political causes and support them if I feel they deserve to be supported. I jumped on the Bernie Sanders bandwagon early on because he seemed to be a champion of the people and was someone that I could trust.

Then the DNC primaries were over and Bernie was no longer a candidate for those that supported him, I took my time and thoroughly began to investigate Jill Stein of the Green Party. If there are any interested people on RSN looking for a decent candidate, you should check her out if you have not done so yet. She is the real thing!

I hoped, against hope, that Bernie would either join Jill's campaign or at least endorse her candidacy. When he did not, and endorsed Hillary instead, I was heartbroken. I remain so today. I am not at all confident that the Democratic Party can be changed from within. And with Hilary Clinton their candidate, the chances of that happening are dim, to say the least.
 
 
+15 # Ralph 2016-08-30 16:55
"When he did not, and endorsed Hillary instead, I was heartbroken. I remain so today."

You shouldn't be. He made a deal with devil going into the primaries. He had to support whoever won the nomination, even if it wasn't himself. Think about all the prime-time exposure to truly left ideas. I never saw it before. He made that deal. I could quibble with him that the Wikileaks email release of the DNC abdicated him of keeping his end of the bargain but I won't lose any sleep over the fact that he didn't. The revolution is started. Green in 16!
 
 
+2 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-30 22:08
@Ralph,
Green in 16? I feel Greener every day.

Revolution? An absolute necessity. No two ways about it.

Quibble? I respectfully, yet profoundly and utterly disagree. To say that the DNC email treachery released him from any bargain is a monumental understatement. I can't bear to consider what his decision, coerced though it was, has cost us.
 
 
+5 # DaveEwoldt 2016-08-31 13:36
Yeah, I agree with jimmyjames' feelings, and with your analysis of the reality, Ralph. Bernie should have said FU to the DNC and run either as an independent or a Green.

But since he didn't, it's Jill Stein all the way!
 
 
+3 # Blackjack 2016-08-30 14:50
"I trust Bernie and Bernie trusts Jeff Weaver." I have to agree with Scott on this one because basically I don't trust any other politician. Bernie ran a difficult, determined, honest, effectual campaign. He was certain to be caught up in the DNC corruption. Dems never expected him to get so many votes, so much small-donor money, and so much loyalty. Toward the end of the primary they started to panic because his winning the primary would have upset all the apple carts loaded with the political largess they had become so accustomed to. So they cheated to knock him out. Frankly, I don't know how Bernie could have done more than he did . . .and still there are the naysayers. I like what Jill Stein says and I agree almost completely with her platform, but she is not a mover and shaker. . .and that's what it is going to take. Greens are too passive, except for groups like Greenpeace. Bernie showed that it is not great numbers or a lot of money that attracts people to a cause. The Greens have not yet arrived as a credible political party because they haven't put into it the same amount of courage, determination, and hard work that Bernie has put into his movement. I suspect Bernie knew that and preferred not to go in that direction. I don't know if the Dem Party can be saved or whether some new party will arise out of Bernie's movement, but we have to put our trust somewhere or fall flat on our faces again. "I trust Bernie and Bernie trusts Jeff Weaver."
 
 
-11 # Henry 2016-08-30 16:54
Quoting Blackjack:
I like what Jill Stein says and I agree almost completely with her platform, but she is not a mover and shaker. . .and that's what it is going to take. Greens are too passive, except for groups like Greenpeace.

The Greens have not yet arrived as a credible political party because they haven't put into it the same amount of courage, determination, and hard work that Bernie has put into his movement.

I suspect Bernie knew that and preferred not to go in that direction.


AGREE, especially about Jill Stein not being a mover and shaker – in other words, not being inspiring.
____
 
 
+7 # Ted 2016-08-30 18:23
Are you suggesting we should vote for someone less in line for what we want from a president just because they have the hollywood charm factor?
 
 
+3 # DaveEwoldt 2016-08-31 13:40
Blackjack, I disagree that Jill Stein isn't a mover and shaker. She displays those qualities better than Bernie did. The problem is that she is either ignored or marginalized by the corporate media and Democratic Party loyalists.
 
 
-2 # Blackjack 2016-08-31 16:00
Quoting DaveEwoldt:
Blackjack, I disagree that Jill Stein isn't a mover and shaker. She displays those qualities better than Bernie did. The problem is that she is either ignored or marginalized by the corporate media and Democratic Party loyalists.


How? I haven't seen/heard her?
 
 
+4 # DaveEwoldt 2016-08-31 16:44
Ok, I'll assume you're new to progressivism. Jill was the Green Party presidential candidate in 2012 and was arrested trying to get into the presidential debates--one of the few times she got any mainstream coverage.

Check out the Green Shadow Cabinet. It will give you a good idea of the overall Green political stance and introduce you to a number of players progressives should support.
 
 
+12 # Charles3000 2016-08-30 14:51
In his first paragraph he needs to add: "We want the endless, senseless wars to stop." Without that it could be a neoliberal masking as a Progressive. There are a few around including HRC and Bill.
 
 
+9 # heraldmage 2016-08-30 15:11
I agree vote for whomever you think will best support the Progressive agenda for President. Then do what the GOP did to Obama; elect a Progressive Congress to control what the President does and pass the Our Revolution's agenda.
Stop fighting! Make sure you are registered to vote! Then help those in your community register & get to the polls.
Learn about all the candidates on your ballot and support those who most closely aligned with the Progressive agenda.
If we want to truly live in a democracy rather than be brainwashed into thinking we do; we need to actively participate in the democratic process and work towards expanding voter participation in the legislative process. Congress will never vote to limit campaign donations, therefore we must limit donor influence by convincing Congress to allow constituents greater input into the legislative process including approval of pending legislation.
 
 
+19 # Ted 2016-08-30 15:13
I'm all for Our Revolution, I'm even in support of TRUE Progressives on the dnc ticket as much as I am against the dnc in general and especially the two-party stranglehold.

What I don't understand is how Galindez implied that it doesn't matter who we vote for yet in the same paragraph tells us how much it matters that we push for ALL of the positions that ONLY Jill Stein represents.

To me it seems that if we want all the progress that Galindez writes about, it DOES matter that we vote for Jill Stein.

Read it for yourself...

Jill2016.com/plan
 
 
+1 # LionMousePudding 2016-08-30 22:06
His point is just stop hating each other over it. The Progressive next to you may disagree on who to vote for. Ok. But work together on the rest of it.

It pains me to see the anger and negative passion here directed at each other. We could USE that energy where it would do good. We are being divided and conquered.

What if we found out that the RNC stole the election for Hillary-- which I think they find-- not only do they did not have to run against Bernie but also TO DIVIDE US? They have used 'divide and conquer' very effectively against liberals for decades.

It's working, isn't it?
 
 
+2 # Ted 2016-08-31 19:11
I personally do not see the division among Progressives that you mention.

I do see opposition between Progressives and clinton backers, but not between Progressives.
 
 
+9 # Saberoff 2016-08-30 15:26
What does "our coalition" need to accomplish? Progressives will be progressives, at the polls.

Tactics? The question is: Do we trust Our Revolution with our money?

"...showing a united front." To whom? I thought we already did that.

What is it that O.R. Central needs to do? Raise and spend funds for the cause, no?

We knew where Bernie spent our money. But where is O.R. going to spend our money? (I'm having a hell of a time donating to Jill's campaign. Can't get the sites to work; don't know if I'm giving to local or national office; have to go out to pretty bleak events to find lit/a yard sign... As far as I'm concerned the problem with all of it is incompetence! Now there's something we really can not afford.

We have limited resources. How do we best use them? We've shown we can give to our/the cause. The question now is: where? Where do we send our money and whom do we trust with it?

I say it's as up to Weaver & Co. to tell us/convince us where the money is going as it is for Killery Hilton to pluck our votes from the Easy Tree.

Scott: We're ready, willing, anxious even! Come get us then, goddamn it!
 
 
+2 # DaveEwoldt 2016-08-31 19:22
If you're serious about donating to Jill's campaign, just go to http://www.jill2016.com and click on the big donate button at the top of the home page.

If you'd like more information about the Green Party or to donate to it, go to http://www.gp.org

I don't have these URLs memorized. I just did a very simple google search.
 
 
+10 # VictorG 2016-08-30 16:06
Scott is correct. Bernie was great. His decision disappointed me too, but tactics differ. Let's do no name-calling about them - save obscenities for plutocrats and racists. I vote in NY and will go for Jill. If in Ohio or Florida?? Less Donald than GOP program frightens me. It sounds truly fascistic. Let's debate but hope Our Revolution, with great people now leading, plus BLM etcetera join after November for one cause. Till then disagree but don't split! Of course we know what the Democratic Party is, but we can't write off its millions of members and some good candidates. We must sometimes work with them to win the grass roots!
 
 
+16 # Ted 2016-08-30 16:48
I respectfully disagree.

Sanders brought us to a crescendo of strength that we should not give up so easily.

And I shouldn't have to remind you that Sanders didn't 'write off' millions of dnc members, they willingly agreed with his progressive agenda.

Let us CONTINUE to the left, full throttle.

Falling back to the status quo in November will not strengthen our progressive movement after the election of clinton, it will demean us and taint our integrity with the guilt of knowingly helping to put a corporate warhawk in office.

Stay the course that Sanders cleared for us.

Vote Stein.
 
 
+4 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-30 22:18
@Ted,
Willingly agreed with his agenda? Not universal single payer. Not a firm "no" to the TPP. Those are crucial issues.

I'm with Stein because Hillary's DNC didn't give us those things.
 
 
0 # Ted 2016-08-31 19:03
Perhaps I wasn't clear, I meant that the millions of dnc members who sided with Sanders while he was running willingly agreed with him and were not 'written off' by him, in fact they were a source of strength for his campaign and would also be for Stein's campaign which more closely echoes Sanders' than it does clinton's.

Sorry for the confusion.
 
 
+9 # sus453 2016-08-30 16:41
I'm all for the goals of Our Revolution, but tactics are not unimportant, and they can be the difference between success and failure, at least in the short term (over the long term, decades and centuries, who knows). And I think tactics are paramount at this particular time. There is such a momentum, more than I can remember in any other election cycle, to put progressive issues on the table. Instead of building up the Democratic Party, which in my mind is a lost cause, this is the perfect time to build an alternative to the two party system, and I think the Green Party most exemplifies that alternative. If enough of us put our time, money, and effort into building an alternative to the two-party system on a national and local level, I think that is what will most effectively promote our cause. If someone wants to put their effort into building a movement inside the Democratic Party, I say go for it, it in my personal opinion, that is a trap, a trap people have been falling nito for . . . decades.
 
 
+12 # awen 2016-08-30 17:08
if you want a real progressive revolution, check out Democracy Spring. We need to act now - the world can't wait for four more years of fracking, pipeline building and ever-increasing wars. The PEOPLE need act ACT NOW.
 
 
+3 # BlueMorpho 2016-08-30 22:24
@awen,
I've just seen your comment. You spoke with such urgency I went to the website. I didn't know this organization existed. Thank you.
 
 
+4 # Radscal 2016-08-31 19:24
Isn't RSN an amazing resource?

I've learned so much, and been pointed in such fascinating directions over the years by commenters here.
 
 
-10 # torch and pitchfork 2016-08-30 17:09
" Vote for whomever you want this November, then roll up your sleeves and fight for a Progressive agenda. No matter who becomes president, there is more that we agree on than what divides us. Set the political parties aside for a moment. We want to end poverty, we want save the planet, we want to get money out of politics, we want universal health care, we want public colleges and universities to be free, and we want to end racism and all forms of bigotry. Those are just some of the issues we need to fight for."

If Donald Trump is elected we will achieve none of these. Forget wasting a vote for Stein or Johnson, don't let "the perfect be the enemy of the good".
 
 
+12 # Ted 2016-08-30 19:27
I'll just come right out and say this;

I truly believe that building a stronger Progressive presence, on top of the momentum that Sanders began, is far more important to us at this time than whether trump or clinton get in.

I'll admit clinton's probably got it in the bag what with computerized voting and her willingness to play dirty and all, but I strongly believe that growing our resistance and Progressive presence, now, and after November, and after 2020, etc, stronger and stronger every day, is MUCH more valuable to our future success than caving-in out of fear of which candidate this year might be worse than the other.

Stay Progressive. Don't vote clinton, don't vote trump, don't vote johnson.

Vote Stein.
 
 
+7 # Patriot 2016-08-30 21:09
Vote for Stein. Whether Clinton, trump, or Johnson might, instead, wind up in the WH is immaterial: None of them has a program intended to alter the status quo.

READ THE GREEN PLATFORM at gp.org. It spells out what the greens wnat to accomlish and how they would go about it. It's very long and very detailed; I did n't agree wholeheartedly with every point, and I don't imagine you will, either, but I agreed with most of it, and think it is doable--and the only course we should follow if we expect the planet to survie and democracy, both here and abroad, to survive and even flourish.

Vote for Stein and every Progressive and even moderate on your ballot--but do you homework, staring NOW, and be certain that you've picked genuinely progressive or moderate candidates.

You have nothing to lose and everything to gain!
 
 
+3 # Radscal 2016-08-31 19:26
"don't let 'the perfect be the enemy of the good'"

HRC is NOT "good."
 
 
+11 # Johnny 2016-08-30 17:21
Galindez' article is a lot of puffery for the status quo. "We" want free education? Health care? Galindez does not bother to mention foreign policy at all. Hillary's promise to destroy Iran and Syria, calling Putin a "new Hitler," slobbering over Israel, all guarantee that the resources that could go to serve our children will go to murder children all over the globe, instead. And if so-called "progressives" do not address the squandering of our resources on endless war they are pissing into the wind.
 
 
+4 # Dion Giles 2016-08-31 00:55
This is absolutely paramount - wish I could cheat and dial up a hundred green thumbs for Johnny's post. The permanent war which war criminals mainly but not only in the USA planned during World War II and initiated even before that war ended (Hiroshima Nagasaki) had as its aim regime change in the USSR, with China in line when the Kuomintang bandits fled. Within the USA it was a war against FDR's New Deal, a war which is practically complete today, and against the democracy proclaimed in the US Constitution which is down to its last skirmishes.

When the Russians ended the US monopoly over nuclear weapons the warmongers were spitting with rage and took gruesome revenge against Julius and Ethel Rosenberg as they took against Saddam Hussein and Moamar Gaddafi and slaver for against Bashir Al Assad.

Considering where this permanent war is heading, it should take centre stage in any "Our Revoution" or linked programme for the 21st century.
 
 
+2 # Tigre1 2016-08-30 17:53
Saberoff...grea t name! and I agree mostly with your expressions. Today's campaigns do not favor incompetents. We must become more competent in our doings.

Fortunately, our mistakes teach us. Unfortunately, it loses campaigns.

Most of the "revolutionarie s" I know could improve their effects IF they read 'Rules for Radicals' and memorized them...and figured out how to apply them to your own situation.

To understand your opponents, read Machiavelli's 'Prince', and apply it.

And maybe if each our 'revolutionarie s' made it an assignment to drive the borders of their counties each week...and make it a point to meet a dozen people every day or week. Get their names, numbers, addresses, party reg, and get on good understandable terms with as many as possible.

Get sites for signs...look for candidates who have a sense of how much a military mind could be useful in organizing a REAL effort.

Meet reporters, one on one. Take them somewhere for coffee or smoothies. Don't ask for favors. Just be human, humane, and good company. People like people who like them.

Divide up the work. Get it done, and have a special file for the capable and serious.
This is worth years of your life: prepare everywhere for everything.

And read a few outlines of how to 'campaign' on-line; chose one outline, and share it with people who may be as serious as yourself.Don't drumpf it all on Bernie, and pay no attention to the nay-sayers. None of them are worth your time...
 
 
-13 # Robbee 2016-08-30 18:19
Progressives Don't Break Up Over Tactics?

bull! yeah we do! it's who we are! - we are prima donnas!

if rump wins the presidency - progressives here on rsn who vote "stein" will deny that their votes had anything to do with it!

if bernie wins the presidency - progressives here on rsn who vote "bernie" will deny that, while in office, he was effective!

if hill wins the presidency - progressives here on rsn who vote "hill" will deny that, while in office, she was effective!
 
 
+9 # Ted 2016-08-30 19:29
Hush, little one.
 
 
+3 # NAVYVET 2016-08-30 21:19
More and more, I believe that RSN's comments are being monopolized by either of two types of persons. First: utopian idealists. Utopia is an impossible dream based on theocracy, lampooned by Joe Hill in "Pie in the Sky". Theocracy (even the atheist sort) is the worst possible kind of government. Wherever it's been tried it has failed, rapidly turning decent ideas of liberty and justice into a nightmare tyranny--execut ing, imprisoning & exiling those who deviate in the least degree. (Think Robespierre or Vladimir Ulyanov Lenin.)

OR some of you are trolls paid by Koch and Co. to ensure that the left doesn't bother to vote for a whole bunch of good progressive candidates for local, state and federal legislative offices. Bernie has furnished several lists of candidate names, and there are other rebels, too, running as Democrats. He will be continuing to furnish new names. If you're so know-it-all, why aren't you running for office?

Either get some common sense about the real world or find another low-paid job, whichever is the case. Our Revolution hasn't gotten off to a bad start--maybe you have. At a rally today against poisoning the air of our city, a bunch of young people came up and hugged me for wearing some of my "Our Revolution" issues buttons plus the one that reads "BLACK LIVES MATTER." Whom do you hear expressing enthusiasm and hope? I think each of you extreme Puritans is just listening to yourself, in the good ol' (useless) solipsist way.
 
 
+3 # librarian1984 2016-08-31 08:24
Hi, NavyVet. I hope you're well and am asking for clarification. Do you mean two types of trolls or two types of posters that are utopian or RW? You've said posters but if that's what you actually meant I disagree. I think there are plenty of intelligent progressive realists here, yourself included, otherwise it wouldn't be worthwhile wading through the troll swamps.

As for Our Revolution, I don't think you can say it didn't get off to a rocky start when over a dozen diehards left the organization shortly before it launched. We don't know the inside story of that mutiny, and I am not saying it's not a great organization -- but that WAS a rocky way to begin!

Regards.
 
 
+8 # gwynflynn 2016-08-30 21:49
Paper ballots, smaller polling stations and scrutineers appoint4d by each party to observe the count. Canada’s population is only 1/10 the size of the US, so what works here to get results in fairly quickly might not work for you, but electronic voting makes it too easy to steal electons--as we’ve all seen.
 
 
+3 # anarchaos 2016-08-31 15:47
Anyone who has actually heard doctor Jill Stein speak in person simply cannot say that she is anything other than dazzling, in full command of solid facts and is definitely inspiring. She spoke for over an hour without notes, no teleprompter and covered every issue in depth and left everyone there enthralled and energized. Is it possible that might only be said of a true mover-and-shake r? All of us in attendance wanted to hear more, but she had already gone over the time limit. She answered every question without evasions, and no "let me get back to you on that" bullshit (unlike another woman we all are familiar with also running (or sneaking) for POTUS. I will vote for J.Stein/A.Barak a in 2016!! And, "the lesser of two evils is still evil" Trump &/or Clinton are equally horrifying in different ways. Doctor Jill Stein is electrifying ! The Green Party is the ONLY way I can vote this year.
 
 
-4 # carytucker 2016-08-31 17:25
Quoting anarchaos:
Anyone who has actually heard doctor Jill Stein speak in person simply cannot say that she is anything other than dazzling, in full command of solid facts and is definitely inspiring. She spoke for over an hour without notes, no teleprompter and covered every issue in depth and left everyone there enthralled and energized. Is it possible that might only be said of a true mover-and-shaker? All of us in attendance wanted to hear more, but she had already gone over the time limit. She answered every question without evasions, and no "let me get back to you on that" bullshit (unlike another woman we all are familiar with also running (or sneaking) for POTUS. I will vote for J.Stein/A.Baraka in 2016!! And, "the lesser of two evils is still evil" Trump &/or Clinton are equally horrifying in different ways. Doctor Jill Stein is electrifying ! The Green Party is the ONLY way I can vote this year.


Then enjoy the wilderness. Better make sure your vaccinations are up to date.
 
 
+2 # Blackjack 2016-09-01 00:42
I am not new to Progressivism, but I know little about Stein except what is on the Greens' website. I do know that she and the Greens have gotten virtually NO media coverage. But why is that? Bernie didn't get much at first either, but after he held rally after rally all across the country, people tuned in so the media also tuned in. Are the Greens asking for online donations? If so I've gotten no word of it. Have they raised a little hell? If you aren't getting noticed in this day of digital overkill, then I have to wonder why. And why couldn't Stein persuade Bernie to join her. I knew where Bernie stood because he literally struck out on his own and took a huge risk in order to bring to national attention all the issues he's raised. I know who most of the Progressives are running for Congress and if I lived in one of those states I would vote for them. In some cases, I have contributed to their campaigns, but the Greens have never registered as more than a fringe party after all these years. I know it takes time and several elections to see positive Progressive results, but it seems to me that the Greens could have had more influence by now. I will most likely vote for Stein because I cannot vote for HRC and the Dems have left me; I didn't leave them. But where do I go after this election? It takes bold leadership to bring about bold change and I don't see that with Stein. I commend her for being a peace candidate, but that alone won't win elections.
 
 
0 # Oyster 2016-10-30 21:54
I look forward to reading comments especially by RMDC, Billy Bob, and Guomashi. Often I enjoy your posting as much as the article itself, if not more. Where are you?
 

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