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Reich writes: "Asked in a CBS This Morning interview why he hasn't yet endorsed Clinton, Bernie Sanders replied,'Because I haven't heard her say the things I need to hear said.'"

Former Clinton labor secretary Robert Reich. (photo: Steve Russell/Toronto Star)
Former Clinton labor secretary Robert Reich. (photo: Steve Russell/Toronto Star)


Hillary's Lack of a Progressive Vision Leaves the Door Open for Trump

By Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Facebook Page

25 June 16

 

sked in a CBS This Morning interview why he hasn't yet endorsed Clinton, Bernie Sanders replied, "Because I haven't heard her say the things I need to hear said."

I don’t think Bernie will hear what he “needs to hear” because the Clinton campaign assumes he’ll endorse her anyway. With Trump imploding, Hillary has no interest in accommodating Bernie beyond the concessions she already made in the primary. On Wednesday, she gave what was billed as a “major” economic speech, but it was little more than a rehash of her previous policy positions, emphasizing her competence and experience. As the Times put it, “the speech framed her place in the race as being the candidate who understands the populist discontent but will react to it with practicality.”

It seems like a cautious strategy but I think it’s a dangerous one for Hillary. After all, Trump could bounce back and her support could begin to erode. If she campaigns only on the fact she’s experienced and competent – and not Donald Trump – the public doesn’t know what she stands for, which allows Republicans to paint her any way they wish.

She needs a bold vision and a big idea proportional to the scale of the large economic problems most Americans face.

What do you think?

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+147 # DogSoldier 2016-06-25 11:35
I think she needs to go to prison where she and Bill belong.
 
 
+234 # grandlakeguy 2016-06-25 13:42
If the public really knew "what she stands for" she would never have gotten this far.
Hillary depends on the lowest of low information voters for her support.
Anyone who has made the effort to research her actual record is repulsed by this cold heartless hawk!
 
 
-37 # rocback 2016-06-26 17:41
A WARNING!

You have been lied to again by the Bernie or Busters leader Mr. Alford who claimed you lost on the $15 min wage in the platform committee.

How many time will you need to be lied to for you to realize you have been duped?
 
 
+8 # A_Har 2016-06-27 18:25
Quoting rocback:
A WARNING!

You have been lied to again by the Bernie or Busters leader Mr. Alford who claimed you lost on the $15 min wage in the platform committee.

How many time will you need to be lied to for you to realize you have been duped?

Hillary lying for 12 minutes straight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

As to the rest, you keep sawing away at the same themes that have been disproven over and over again with links and direct quotes. It never even makes a dent--you continue your deceptions.
 
 
-212 # rocback 2016-06-25 14:15
The longer he holds out the less concessions he will get. In fact based on the comments I hear on this site, his endorsement won't make a difference.
The "Berni or Bust" jerks won't support her regardless of his "endorsement" and most of the other Sanders supporters who support his policies will already be voting for her because they are so close to Hillary's policies. They voted the same 93% of the time they were in the Senate according to the N Y Times.

So if I were her I would not give up any more than she already gave up because the few votes she would get would be more than offset by the ones she would lose from the moderate voters. After all, that's what she believes anyway. She is center left.

Frankly, I hope he keeps acting like a petulant child because the longer he waits the less clout he will have.

Finally, today the latest poll from Reuters shows her kicking Trumps butt by 13 points and that's WITHOUT Bernies endorsement.
 
 
+194 # jimallyn 2016-06-25 15:10
Quoting rocback:
They voted the same 93% of the time they were in the Senate according to the N Y Times.

Which means precisely nothing to me. Hillary is in favor of the TPP, Bernie is against it. Hillary is in favor of fracking, Bernie is against it. Hillary opposes a $15 an hour minimum wage, Bernie favors it. Hillary opposes expanding solar energy, Bernie favors it. Hillary voted for war against Iraq, Bernie voted against it. Hillary voted for the so-called "PATRIOT ACT", Bernie voted against it. Shall I go on?

Just curious, did you have to look up "petulant" when Hillary gave you her talking points?
 
 
-121 # rocback 2016-06-25 17:03
Hillary is against the TPP. She said she would sign a $15 min wage bill though she prefers $12 since some states $15 would not be appropriate. And her stance on fracking is so strict that it will be all but eliminated.
 
 
+74 # AshamedAmerican 2016-06-25 20:45
During the election coverage, she is against the TPP. What was to her fascist thinking the "gold standard" before, will be again, though probably with some superficial change.

She'll probably forget about the minimum wage thing as she will be too busy setting up "no-fly zones" over any number of new Hitlers.

And her alleged stance on fracking is also not about to become the polar opposite of what it was either.

If you were not being paid to hurl such garbage, it would probably bother you that her words are in opposition to her record.
 
 
-45 # rocback 2016-06-26 09:03
Even when she said she would support the TPP, she said "but only if it has workers and environmental protection when it was finally written". When it was finalised, it didn't. so when the facts changed she did in her support. Only a fool doesn't change their mind when the facts change.

She was always for raising the min wage to $12.

Read her exact words on fracking in the Flint debate and see that it would basically be eleiminated with all her conditions.
 
 
+35 # AshamedAmerican 2016-06-26 13:02
It obviously was written before she called it the "gold standard". It is common knowledge, at least to the regulars here, that NAFTA did not protect workers' rights. Are you going to say that she would like the US to withdraw from that agreement?

Was she "always" for increasing the minimum wage while on the board at Walmart?

I know better than to believe her "exact words" when she is speaking in public. Her record is what enables accurate predictions. And it is predictable that her words will be what her audience wants to hear.
 
 
-29 # rocback 2016-06-26 16:47
The TPP was not negotiated then. In fact it took 3 years of negotiations between when she said that (and remember it was her bosses position at the time). In fact Anderson Cooper asked her about that seeming flip flop and this is her answer:

"I did say, when I was secretary of state, three years ago, that I hoped it would be the gold standard," Clinton said. "It was just finally negotiated last week, and in looking at it, it didn't meet my standards. My standards for more new, good jobs for Americans, for raising wages for Americans. And I want to make sure that I can look into the eyes of any middle-class American and say, ‘this will help raise your wages.’ And I concluded I could not."
 
 
+22 # AshamedAmerican 2016-06-26 20:50
In November 2012, HRC said "This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements". If your quote from her with Cooper is accurate, she went from saying that TPP DOES set the gold standard to she had "HOPED" that it would. So in your first quote of her, she is being dishonest about her former behavior. Does this candidate of yours, Roc, make a habit of, for years, describing something as a fact, when the entire time she is only hoping that fact is true? Is it common for her to speak without knowing what she is talking about, and eventually she is proven wrong? Is this your understanding of her? If not, how do you explain this extremely lame way your candidate has of promoting something throughout much of the world for years without knowing what she is talking about? Remember, this is the one issue you have stuck with as being a reason for voting for HRC. You already know what I think about the words of your candidate: she will say whatever she perceives that her audience wants to hear. And she will misrepresent anything she has already said as she decides is necessary.

And does she look "into the eyes of any middle-class American" and say, "NAFTA 'has raised your wages.’". She may, because she will say whatever she wants her audience to believe.
 
 
+10 # dsepeczi 2016-06-27 13:26
Quoting rocback:
The TPP was not negotiated then. In fact it took 3 years of negotiations between when she said that (and remember it was her bosses position at the time). In fact Anderson Cooper asked her about that seeming flip flop and this is her answer:

"I did say, when I was secretary of state, three years ago, that I hoped it would be the gold standard," Clinton said. "It was just finally negotiated last week, and in looking at it, it didn't meet my standards. My standards for more new, good jobs for Americans, for raising wages for Americans. And I want to make sure that I can look into the eyes of any middle-class American and say, ‘this will help raise your wages.’ And I concluded I could not."


Of course her explanation was an outright lie. She did not say that she "hoped it would be the Gold Standard". She did, in fact, confidently say it "sets the Gold Standard". You can successfully argue that the deal wasn't completed back then but I would counter that she should know all the details before running around the world and promoting it confidently in 42 separate speeches. Want proof of her original statement ? Here it is:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/13/hillary-clinton/what-hillary-clinton-really-said-about-tpp-and-gol/
 
 
+6 # A_Har 2016-06-27 18:27
Hillary lying for 12 minutes straight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI
 
 
+33 # Karlus58 2016-06-26 13:23
Yo...she said..."elect me President, and then I'll tell you where I stand"! Only a fool would not realize what that meant.
 
 
+33 # grandlakeguy 2016-06-26 17:21
I remember her "exact words in the Brooklyn debate when she promised to release trhe transcripts of the Wall Street speeches if Bernie released his tax returns.
Well Bernie released the returns and as usual she lied and released nothing.
With Hillary Clinton, words are just words and mean nothing.
She is the most untrustworthy person ever to run for President!
 
 
-18 # rocback 2016-06-26 18:01
you need ot get your "memory" checked.

First of all it was the release of all the other candidates including the Republicans of all their speeches to all the groups they spoke at, not Bernies tax returns.

But speaking of Bernies tax returns he STILL has not rleased them. He released a summary of a SINGLE year. Hillary has released her ENTIRE tax returns for the last 33 YEARS, 11 of them ar on her web site.
 
 
+10 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-06-27 02:15
Bullshit asshat!

She said she'd relaease those transcripts when the other candidates released the transcripts of their PAID SPEECHES, knowing full well no one else had done any.

You lie like the whore
 
 
+14 # Linda 2016-06-26 18:51
Really racback ? Then why were two of the things her appointed surrogates put in the Democratic platform TPP and fracking ?
She wanted it before and she still wants it ! Probably as a concession to Obama for calling off the FBI's indictment . One hand washing the other politics ! Are you naive or are you just playing stupid ?
 
 
-8 # rocback 2016-06-27 14:55
TehDemocratic Pary is more than just Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama supports TPP and so the statement that "Democrats" are against TPP would not have been accurate. It says there is disagreement which is correct. Hillary is on record opposing it.

Whats funny is how when they agree to something Bernie wants, you say "oh, thats just the platform so it's really not binding" and when the exact language is not agreed to you go nuts.
 
 
+53 # Dred Pierce 2016-06-26 01:15
Hillary is a LIAR and anyone who believes her LIES is a FOOL.
 
 
+5 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-06-27 02:12
Ask yourself that question.

You're the deluded one
 
 
+6 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-06-27 02:13
No, no.

Hillary said those words,but they're lies
 
 
-7 # rocback 2016-06-27 14:56
AshamedAmerican will never admit it.
 
 
+4 # AshamedAmerican 2016-06-28 20:06
Admit what? You are replying to bettysdad, in which case you are claiming that I will never admit that Hillary said what you claim, but that her words are lies. No. I admit she may have said anything. But as has been pointed out in detail here, her words do not represent the truth.
 
 
0 # jcdav 2016-07-03 08:22
Hillary has SAID many contradictory hings recently- depends on who is listening. opposing the TPP did not make the platform-likely because it could be used to undo most of the positions that did make the platform.
 
 
+129 # markovchhaney 2016-06-25 15:15
#rocback: she hasn't given up a thing and won't. She's like all Republicans in that regard: never negotiate when you have power, even if it's just a hair more than your opponents. See Bush, George W.

The "petulant child" meme must really play well in Shillville, but not here in the land of progressivism. He's not after clout, you twit. He's after change. Promises from Hillary aren't worth the air they're made with.

If HRC is center left, then there's no meaning to "left" any more. But neoliberal stooges like you actually seem to believe that you and she and the rest of the Democratic power elite are liberal. What a bloody sick joke.
 
 
-105 # rocback 2016-06-25 17:07
She gave Sanders 5 spots on the platform committee and she didnt have to give him any. She said she would sign a $15 min wage bill although she prefers $12. She said she now opposes TPP.

In fact Sanders wrote an op ed today in the NY Times and everything he asked for Hillary supports. He just cant take "yes" for an answer. I say tell him to go to hell.
 
 
+83 # Billy Bob 2016-06-25 19:20
1. The platform is meaningless.

2. Any candidate sending delegates to a convention usually gets slots on the platform committee. This is a back-handed and completely meaningless gesture.

3. Who cares what she "says" about TPP? She's changed her mind back and forth. If Sanders can make her pretend she's liberal on one issue, Trump can bring her back to her old self.

TPP isn't an issue you'd just change your mind about. It's about as night and day as any issue out there. It's like saying, "I now suddenly think shooting puppies is a bad thing".

4. Regarding any op-ed: Unfortunately for the paid trolls at "Corrupt the Record", Sanders supporters aren't mindless assholes taking marching orders.

Hillary and all of you paid trolls can go to hell instead. With her help, much of this planet will soon enough look and feel just like it.

Your obnoxious behavior hasn't changed the mind of a single person. All you've done is strengthen our resolve to NEVER - VOTE - FOR - CLINTON.
 
 
+19 # MsAnnaNOLA 2016-06-26 08:53
Except Donald is against TPP. So he won't be changing her mind she will change her own mind for her globalist friends like Goldman Sachs Hank Paulsen who just endorsed her.
 
 
-30 # rocback 2016-06-26 09:05
The TPP was still being negotiated when she was pusing it. It changed by the time it was finalised in a large degree without workers protections and environmental protections. So she is against it.
 
 
+22 # cymricmorty 2016-06-26 10:19
An amendment opposing the TPP has been rejected by the Democratic platform drafting committee. HRC need not equivocate on the issue further, although that's second nature to her. Any worker and environmental protections remain to be seen.

http://www.dw.com/en/democrats-to-endorse-trans-pacific-partnership-agreement/a-19356105
 
 
-24 # rocback 2016-06-26 12:02
They rejected the wording Sanders wanted becasue they did not want to embariss the President who favors it. Instead the wording says there is a diversity of opinions but Hillary already said she is against it.

Bernie got other concessions as well.

In some cases Clinton's side gave ground to Sanders. The panel approved language calling for the abolition of the death penalty, calling it "a cruel and unusual form of punishment which has no place" in the nation. Clinton said during a debate earlier this year that it should only be used in limited cases involving "heinous crimes," while Sanders said the government should not use capital punishment.

Reflecting Sanders' advocacy, the platform also calls for the expansion of Social Security and says Americans should earn at least a $15 an hour, referring to the current minimum wage of $7.25 an hour as a "starvation wage," a phrase the Vermont senator often uses. Sanders has pushed for a $15-an-hour minimum wage, while Clinton has supported efforts to raise the minimum wage to that level but has said states and cities should raise the bar as high as possible.
 
 
-23 # rocback 2016-06-26 12:03
Sanders' allies wanted the draft to specify that the $15 minimum wage should be indexed with inflation. But Clinton's side struck down the amendment, noting that the document already included a call to "raise and index the minimum wage."

The committee also adopted language that said it supports a variety of ways to prevent banks from gambling with taxpayers' bank deposits, "including an updated and modernized version of Glass-Steagall. " Sanders supports reinstating the Depression-era Glass-Steagall Act, which prohibited commercial banks from engaging in investment banking activities. Clinton does not support reinstating the law but said her proposed financial reforms would cast a wider net by regulating the shadow banking system.
 
 
-23 # rocback 2016-06-26 12:04
So I go back to my original statement. No matter what Clinton agrees to it wont be enough so I say go to hell. We'll win this on our own.
 
 
+13 # cymricmorty 2016-06-26 12:46
Quoting rocback:
No matter what Clinton agrees to it wont be enough so I say go to hell.


That's understated for you.

The few watered-down concessions agreed to by HRC and posse won't be enough, and, of course, the platform is nonbinding.
 
 
-8 # rocback 2016-06-27 14:58
Then why are you so aggrieved by it? Another poster nailed it calling this group the "perpetually aggrieved".
 
 
+23 # AshamedAmerican 2016-06-26 13:11
So you are giving up and leaving us here, Roc?

But you are right, as far as many here are concerned. "No matter what Clinton" claims, we will still know her to be dishonest, at best. And with a record like hers, her words to the opposite effect will never be enough to sway us to believe that she might have humane intentions.
 
 
-15 # lights 2016-06-26 15:21
AshamedAmerican : "we still know her to be..."

Yeah, I think that is called a MIND TRAP or is it TRAPPED MIND?! Both I guess.
 
 
+12 # AshamedAmerican 2016-06-26 21:04
Someone here may give you some better terms, lights. All I can tell you is that not even your buddy roc can change the past.
 
 
+7 # Ken Halt 2016-06-27 05:37
crock: We know you're command of the English language isn't very good, one of the reasons I wonder about your claim to be a lawyer, but spell check might increase your credibility. On this thread: eleiminated? embariss? I point this out because language skills are a reflection of one's thought process. Maybe you should take a remedial English class.
 
 
-15 # lights 2016-06-26 15:18
Oh, rocback. I'm so impressed. I'm just a novice compared to you. :-) Don't worry.
 
 
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+10 # AshamedAmerican 2016-06-26 21:07
roc, if you really are leaving us, you should take lights away with you. You will likely never find another so impressed with your expertise.
 
 
+4 # A_Har 2016-06-27 18:30
Quoting lights:
Oh, rocback. I'm so impressed. I'm just a novice compared to you. :-) Don't worry.
Yes, a novice and a completely ignorant cheerleader for a full on warmongering sociopath.
 
 
+14 # cymricmorty 2016-06-26 12:36
The TPP back door has been left open for HRC's future support.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/06/26/democrats-prioritize-party-unity-over-including-stand-against-tpp-platform
 
 
+17 # Linda 2016-06-26 21:17
rocback,
Oh they didn't want to embarrass the president ,lol. So it's either allow the corporate take over with TPP or embarrass the president ? Seems like a no brainer to me , embarrass the president ,the country comes first !

Couldn't help but notice you had no excuse for Fracking on the platform . Did they forget to put that one in your play book of lies ?

So allow those Republican states that we pay in taxes to support decide what the minimum wage should be in their states, great idea, just ask the people how they feel about it !
 
 
+14 # Linda 2016-06-26 21:04
Quoting rocback:
The TPP was still being negotiated when she was pusing it. It changed by the time it was finalised in a large degree without workers protections and environmental protections. So she is against it.


Oh ! and you know this how ? You must be Obama or Biden because not too many people know exactly what is in that so called trade deal and those that do were allowed to read it and leave the room they couldn't even bring their cell phones in the room so they couldn't copy it !

Lucky for us Bernie has a sharp mind and knows it isn't a trade deal ,there is very little trade in the deal, it's a corporate take over not just of our government but those who sign the deal .Once it is signed Congress or no government can change a word in the deal ,that is in the agreement ! Corporations like the pharmaceutical companies can't be sued by our government or individuals should someone die taking one of their drugs . It is the worst so called trade deal ever ! Not to mention that American workers will be competing for jobs with countries like Vietnam who pay starvation wages !Maybe you like slavery but I sure don't !
 
 
+15 # Linda 2016-06-26 20:30
Rocback,

She gave him 5 slots on the platform committee?
First off it was the DNC who was suppose to do the allotting of slots on the platform committee not Hillary and we all know that DWS helped rig the primary for her so Hillary's 6 surrogates with DWS 4 makes 10 surrogates for Hillary to Bernie's 5 . Can you guess who will be out voted with those numbers.
The first round of voting went to Hillary's surrogates,no surprise, who voted to put TPP and Fracking on the Democratic platform,again no surprise,! Bernie came away with just a few crumbs !
Oh but Hillary is against the TPP and Fracking ,lol.
As T.P. Barnum said ,"there is a sucker born every minute ,".Looks like you're one of them because you believed every word she said or should I say every lie she told!

Hillary never made that magic number so she is not the nominee yet, which should give her as much power as Bernie but we all know that she has run the show before the primary even started thanks to a corrupt DNC chair and those superdelegates she paid to support her!

BTW Bernie has picked up 12 more superdelegates who changed their support so hold onto your hat brother because you could be in for a wild ride at the convention !

Hillary did not commit to a $15 an hour minimum wage she said she would start out at $12 and raise it in increments to $15 by 2020 ! Actually $15 dollars an hour doesn't even meet the cost of living today ,so she was way off the mark !
 
 
-6 # rocback 2016-06-27 15:04
Linda, that is BERNIE'S own position to raise it to $15 by 2020. Sheesh, you people don't even know your own candidates position.
 
 
-4 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-06-27 02:16
Well ok.

You tell Sanders to go to hell.

I'll tell you to go fuck yourself.

Or Hillary
 
 
+54 # wantrealdemocracy 2016-06-25 15:49
Oh, Rocback, are you living under a rock somewhere? Bernie has said he will vote for Hillary. Maybe Bernie doesn't know he won the primary election in California. Bernie won by a LANDSLIDE. The fact that he will not speak about that voter fraud demonstrates his lack of moral fiber. A real go along get along guy.

Unfortunately what you say about Americans voting without any knowledge of the voting record of a candidate is true. This is due to our two party system. All you have to do is choose your political party at an early age and NEVER think again about that. Once you have chosen a party you must be loyal and NEVER THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY by voting for a candidate not of that chosen party.

Let's all face the fact that Hillary is getting the Democrat nomination by fraud. I think neither Hillary or the Trump is a good choice. Hillary is not "center left". She is FAR RIGHT and in the pocket of the top 1%. I suggest people look up Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party and consider voting for her.
 
 
+2 # crispy 2016-06-26 17:49
wantrealdemocra cy, I assume all votes are now counted in California and I have not heard that Bernie won. Did you dream that?
 
 
+8 # Linda 2016-06-26 21:56
Quoting wantrealdemocracy:
Oh, Rocback, are you living under a rock somewhere? Bernie has said he will vote for Hillary. Maybe Bernie doesn't know he won the primary election in California. Bernie won by a LANDSLIDE. The fact that he will not speak about that voter fraud demonstrates his lack of moral fiber. A real go along get along guy.

Unfortunately what you say about Americans voting without any knowledge of the voting record of a candidate is true. This is due to our two party system. All you have to do is choose your political party at an early age and NEVER think again about that. Once you have chosen a party you must be loyal and NEVER THROW YOUR VOTE AWAY by voting for a candidate not of that chosen party.

Let's all face the fact that Hillary is getting the Democrat nomination by fraud. I think neither Hillary or the Trump is a good choice. Hillary is not "center left". She is FAR RIGHT and in the pocket of the top 1%. I suggest people look up Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party and consider voting for her.


Bernie is no fool ,he is not going to cut off his nose to spite his face . Now is not the time ! I am sure he knows how the votes are going in CA .
You expect an emotional reaction from him which would be suicide for him to do right now !
I would suggest you stop trying to second guess him and just wait and see what happens at the convention.
 
 
+43 # dbrize 2016-06-25 16:27
Rocman, since "Hill" is an astounding 13 pts ahead and kicking "Trumps butt" your "talents" should by now be up for reassignment. That you are still here is a strong indication your employers are less sanguine than you.
 
 
+41 # John_Fisher 2016-06-25 16:56
The longer and more doggedly you attempt to sell your single, monotonous argument, with more and more ad hominem against Sanders and Sanders supporters, the more desperate your comments read to me.

Almost as if you had some kind of professional interest at stake . . .
 
 
+17 # hipocampelo 2016-06-25 17:25
rotback:"If I were her I would"should read,
"If I were she, I would". Basic English for
the day.
 
 
-14 # Prideofmontana 2016-06-25 19:10
"Finally, today the latest poll from Reuters shows her kicking Trumps butt by 13 points and that's WITHOUT Bernies endorsement."

Let's be careful relying on the polls. The polls indicated Brexit would fail. We know how that turned out.
Hillary is who we now have. Let's work to get her elected and never let up in forwarding our progressive agenda. Secretary Reich wants to inspire our action, not our anger. That means working to get progressive representatives elected at all levels of government. What will you do about that??
 
 
+47 # lfeuille 2016-06-25 19:38
I will not work to get her elected. I will not vote for her. I think she is more dangerous than Trump.
 
 
-25 # Joe Blow 2016-06-26 01:23
Quoting lfeuille:
I will not work to get her elected. I will not vote for her. I think she is more dangerous than Trump.


You think that she is more dangerous than Trump, while most people realize that Trump is an insult to humanity, and insane, to boot.

The sane people, including Bernie Sanders, are voting for Hillary Clinton.
 
 
+6 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-06-27 02:20
Trump will accomplish exactly zero of his proposals.

Hillary will smile everyone into Fascism
 
 
+41 # kundrol 2016-06-25 20:32
From Tim Canova: "I’m outraged this evening to report to you that the Democratic Platform Committee -- which was stacked with establishment hacks by Debbie Wasserman Schultz -- voted down progressive values like Medicare for All, an indexed to inflation $15 minimum wage, a moratorium to ban fracking, and an amendment to stop the TPP."
 
 
-22 # rocback 2016-06-26 12:09
So he failed to even mention she gave on the death penalty, the $15 min wage and the Glass-Stegall act. Maybe THAT"S why the Bernie or Busters feel the way they do. They are being misled by their leaders. I guess they figure their gravy train will end if they admit they won, so they won't take "yes" for an answer.
 
 
+16 # Billsy 2016-06-26 13:22
The DNC platform committee has already voted down a $15 dollar minimum hourly wage. There is no universal health care mandate. No provision to reduce costly defense budgets. No call for campaign finance reform or voting reforms. The platform is non-binding so if the DNC can't even produce a progressive platform they certainly won't excite enough voters in 2018 to regain control of Congress from extremist GOP pols. You keep focusing on Sanders' personality but it's not about him. It's about progressive policies. Capitulating and embracing Clinton out of an absurd fear of Trump won't stimulate reform, it merely supports the lame status-quo. Give it up bud. You change no opinions here, nor do you change yours. Agree to disagree and move on.
 
 
-18 # rocback 2016-06-26 16:57
There we go again Billsy. You were lied to by the Bernie or Bust members. You WON on the $15 min wage but the Bernie leaders are lying to keep their gravy train going:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2016/06/24/dnc-platform-committee-votes-down-15-minimum-wage-n2183183
 
 
-17 # rocback 2016-06-26 16:59
Another Sanders Leaders lie debunked. So I will print his exact quote(lie):

Jeremy Adler, Communications Director for America Rising Squared, noted in a statement how unfortunate this result will prove to be for Clinton as she tries to draw progressive voters to her campaign.

"Hours before the platform committee voted it down, Bernie Sanders said his 'goal' was to get the DNC platform committee to adopt a $15 minimum wage," Adler said. "Their refusal to do so this afternoon is a glaring problem for Hillary Clinton, who Sanders supporters remain increasingly wary of backing. Today's vote by the platform committee only makes that already difficult challenge harder."
 
 
-16 # rocback 2016-06-26 17:00
I'll repeat Adlers lie again:

"Hours before the platform committee voted it down"

And you poor people fall for this crap.
 
 
+5 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-06-27 02:22
How are those ESL classes going.

You comprehend nothing
 
 
-8 # rocback 2016-06-27 08:51
and just how would YOU comprehend "voting it down" when it was actually voted up?
 
 
+4 # A_Har 2016-06-27 18:39
Nobody here believes a word you say as you continue to LIE BY OMISSION.
 
 
+13 # livinghappy 2016-06-26 15:18
Quoting rocback:
They voted the same 93% of the time they were in the Senate according to the N Y Times.

After all, that's what she believes anyway. She is center left.

Frankly, I hope he keeps acting like a petulant child because the longer he waits the less clout he will have.

Finally, today the latest poll from Reuters shows her kicking Trumps butt by 13 points and that's WITHOUT Bernies endorsement.

Quoting rocback:
The longer he holds out the less concessions he will get. In fact based on the comments I hear on this site, his endorsement won't make a difference.
The "Berni or Bust" jerks won't support her regardless of his "endorsement" and most of the other Sanders supporters who support his policies will already be voting for her because they are so close to Hillary's policies. They voted the same 93% of the time they were in the Senate according to the N Y Times
Yes. And also according to the New York Times, "The 31 times that Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders disagreed happened to be on some of the biggest issues of the day..." So, where it really counts, they are NOT the same. I think that's noteworthy.
 
 
+1 # A_Har 2016-06-27 18:37
I posted this to Rocflack already including the link and a direct quote from the article. HE IGNORES IT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/upshot/the-senate-votes-that-divided-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders.html?_r=1

"The 31 times that Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders disagreed happened to be on some the biggest issues of the day, including measures on continuing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, an immigration reform bill and bank bailouts during the depths of the Great Recession. Mr. Sanders, who formally kicked off his campaign Tuesday evening in Burlington, Vt., was opposed to all these actions."

This is known of as lying by OMISSION.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lying_by_omission

"Lying by omission, otherwise known as exclusionary detailing, is lying by either omitting certain facts or by failing to correct a misconception."
 
 
+126 # Blackjack 2016-06-25 13:17
Would that the FBI email investigation puts her there, though she seems not the least bit concerned. And even if she said everything that Bernie would like to hear said, that wouldn't mean much. Saying is one thing; doing is another.
 
 
+81 # Inspired Citizen 2016-06-25 13:18
Bill Clinton encouraged Trump to "get more involved" with Republican politics last year. WHY, knowing Hillary was going to run for the White House, wouldn't he encourage Trump to donate to their campaign instead? Set up or just a mistake? Either way, Trump is NOT our problem to solve.

http://www.examiner.com/article/donald-trump-is-not-progressive-s-problem-to-solve-1
 
 
+40 # Radscal 2016-06-25 18:11
Exactly!

The DNC documents that Guccifer 2.0 released show that the DNC/HRC planned how to create and "win" a Clinton v. Drumpf campaign prior to February, 2015.

https://guccifer2.wordpress.com

The DNC/HRC and corporate media have been doing EXACTLY what the DNC's December, 2015 Plan laid out:

http://thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/assets/djtdncgucc.pdf

A month after Sanders announced his campaign, the DNC was working with HRC to destroy him.

http://nypost.com/2016/06/16/leaked-document-shows-the-dnc-wanted-clinton-from-start/

HRC supporters are being played. Republican voters are being played.

Does THIS Drumpf seem like a Republican by any stretch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaYf0zDGrrc
 
 
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-2 # MsAnnaNOLA 2016-06-26 08:56
If it is a scam why is he going after her for everything and saying he will jail her. I doubt seriously he would do that if he was on team Hillary.
 
 
+6 # Radscal 2016-06-26 12:44
Read the DNC/HRC documents explaining how to run the planned Donald Drumpf v. Hillary campaign. It's really all in there.
 
 
-11 # rocback 2016-06-26 17:02
Was that also written by Mr. Adler?
 
 
+9 # Radscal 2016-06-26 17:15
Why not read them yourself?

Everyone of the already-leaked DNC/HRC documents are here:

https://guccifer2.wordpress.com
 
 
+9 # Billy Bob 2016-06-26 17:57
Maybe he could read them on his day off, or during his lunch hour. Obviously, he's not getting paid to pay attention to facts during his shift.
 
 
+124 # cokacoa2 2016-06-25 13:22
Hillary does not want to be held to anything so she is never going to say what Bernie needs to hear to endorse her. My conscience will not allow me to vote for her and I hope against hope that something will happen at the convention to turn things around so Bernie is the nominee. As a state delegate, I watched the establishment dems steal national delegates from Bernie and when a protest was launched, the establishment dems brought down the gavel and closed the convention. The so-called democratic process is anything but democratic. We've seen it in state after state. It's utterly disgusting.
 
 
+34 # danireland46 2016-06-25 13:26
Whoa, let me remind you that the following title was on your RSN site earlier today: "Bernie Sanders: I Will Vote for Hillary Clinton - to Stop Donald Trump"
If this was a bogus entry, please clarify. If not, please explain the truth.
 
 
+59 # donaldmead 2016-06-25 13:52
Quoting danireland46:
Whoa, let me remind you that the following title was on your RSN site earlier today: "Bernie Sanders: I Will Vote for Hillary Clinton - to Stop Donald Trump"
If this was a bogus entry, please clarify. If not, please explain the truth.


Voting for and endorsing are two different things, in politics.
 
 
+1 # Joe Blow 2016-06-26 01:25
Voting for is voting for.
 
 
+50 # fuzzbuzz 2016-06-25 13:53
The other article is written by the Guardian, and appears to be slightly misquoting Sanders and taking his words out of context to make it appear that he is conceding to her. The actual statement was more like "I will vote for her if she's the nominee, if I have to, to stop Trump". There's a comment by "Moxa" in that article that explains it better.
 
 
-33 # rocback 2016-06-25 14:19
He said on CNN "I will probably vote for her" and the same day yesterday he said on MSNBC: "I will vote for her".
 
 
+13 # John_Fisher 2016-06-25 17:00
"She"? "He"? Wha-?
 
 
+8 # lfeuille 2016-06-25 19:41
That is not an endorsement. It is a statement of personal intent.
 
 
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-16 # lights 2016-06-26 00:18
Because he actually is smart, that Bernie Sanders - to vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton!
 
 
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0 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-06-27 02:24
You have no understanding of politics

You're Rocbak using an assumed name
 
 
+82 # Diane_Wilkinson_Trefethen_aka_tref 2016-06-25 13:29
I understand WHY Hillary and the DNC expect Bernie and his supporters to work for and vote for her. That has been "the way it is done" for over a century. I can also understand how they can be blind to the huge shift in dynamics that has occurred since Bernie Sanders tossed his hat in the ring. After all, it isn't their style, it hasn't happened in our life times, and self conceit can dull one's ability to see that THIS time, Democratic voters are truly turning over a new page.

What I do NOT understand is that with all her money and all the intimate advisors she has, there is not one single member of her inner circle that has been able to speak truth to her power, shake her up, and MAKE her see that this time, things really are different.

If I were an emperor prone to getting conned into wearing no clothes, after a few missteps in that direction, I would make ABSOLUTELY certain I had at least one person on my team whose job was to force me into a reality check when my ego got the best of me. Apparently Hillary has not done that. In my opinion, that is possibly the biggest reason not to vote for her. Everyone errs. Everyone! But you cannot recover from a mistake if the only people bitching at you for it are easily dismissed because they are all your enemies. You NEED someone you trust who is free to slam you, if necessary, to get you to acknowledge and then hopefully correct your mistakes.
 
 
+14 # Anonymot 2016-06-25 16:18
"You NEED someone you trust who is free to slam you,..."

I can't decide whether to say Hillary IS the slammer or Hillary IN the slammer.
 
 
-1 # MsAnnaNOLA 2016-06-26 08:58
Did you read the article about her telling Secret Service to F off because he said good morning to her?
 
 
+4 # Merlin 2016-06-27 05:37
tref 2016-06-25 13:29
"Everyone errs. Everyone! But you cannot recover from a mistake if the only people bitching at you for it are easily dismissed because they are all your enemies."

The problem with this statement regarding sHillary, is that she did not err. She made no mistakes! She does what she does with malice aforethought, on purpose, and with pride. (See laughing about Gadaffi)

Most people want to think the best of other people and give them the benefit of the doubt. That is fine, except when you have a 40 year record showing your consistent and real intent.
 
 
+3 # RMDC 2016-06-27 06:33
tref -- " there is not one single member of her inner circle that has been able to speak truth to her power, shake her up, and MAKE her see that this time, things really are different."

If you know people like this, you know they are all on the take. They will make a lot of money in a Hillary administration. There will be jobs and lots of slush money available. This is how politics works. The Reps have the same system.
 
 
+108 # jimmyjames 2016-06-25 13:38
I think Hillary better qualifies as a "moderate Republican" than a "liberal Democrat". And I would never, ever vote for a Republican. An FDR Democrat like Bernie, hell yes!
 
 
+50 # ywsf 2016-06-25 15:31
Hillary was not only born and raised a Republican but her dad was big in the party. she only switched for Bill and then got him to move from left to centrist. she's a republican in moderate democrat clothing, loving wall street and war.
 
 
-11 # rocback 2016-06-26 17:06
SANDERS SUPPORTERS LIE ALERT:

Bye Bernie Voters?: DNC Platform Committee Just Voted Down $15 Minimum Wage
Cortney O'Brien Cortney O'Brien |Posted: Jun 24, 2016 4:30 PM Share (2K) Tweet
Bye Bernie Voters?: DNC Platform Committee Just Voted Down $15 Minimum Wage

Update: It looks like the DNC did adopt the minimum wage hike after all, via The Hill.

Original Post...well I won't print the whole article because you already know the REST of the story. In fact I wonder how many Bernie supporters will go to bed tonight believing the lie that Hillary would not agree to the $15 min wage.
 
 
+3 # Merlin 2016-06-27 05:45
rocback 2016-06-26 17:06
SANDERS SUPPORTERS LIE ALERT:

Wow, roc! You sound just like Robbee, now. Imitation is the best form of flattery! Robbee will be proud!
 
 
+2 # A_Har 2016-06-27 18:41
Every time you write the word LIE, I figure it is probably coming from YOU.
 
 
+91 # grandlakeguy 2016-06-25 13:39
Bernie beware:
no matter what Hillary says, if she occupies our White House she will be worse for our country than G W Bush!
She is a dyed in the wool neo con and will lead us into uncontrollable wars.
Listen to her AIPAC speech again and then do the right thing by joining up with the Green party and mounting a challenge to the Dems if they fail to give you the nomination!
Please save the world from Hillary!!!!!!!! !!!!
 
 
+54 # jdd 2016-06-25 13:57
She is an incurable warmonger, but Putin and Xi are on to her and are a lot smarter. She's really no match for them, and they will find a way to avoid her evil. I hope.
 
 
+33 # kundrol 2016-06-25 14:07
Check out RT for Putin's speeches. From listening to him, I believe you're right, though he is clearly worried.
 
 
+46 # lorenbliss 2016-06-25 14:35
The privatized, for-profit USian Ministry of Propaganda aka "mainstream media" does such a thorough job of badmouthing Putin, even many otherwise well-informed voters don't realize that to the Russians he is a kind of post-Soviet FDR.

Yeltsin, a Wall Street puppet, had savaged the former USSR with shock-doctrine economics. Then Putin literally rescued the Russian people from poverty more murderous than anything since the final days of Tsar Nicholas and the Russian Civil War. Hence Putin's enduring popularity, which ranges steadily between the 70th and 90th percentiles.

Apropos Putin's KGB background, he was a full colonel, "palkovnik" in Russian, and the USSR was never noted for promoting or tolerating incompetents in such ranks, whether in KGB, GRU or the armed services in general.

And let us not forget the Russians are -- and have been at least since the 1800s (in which context note the Sepoy Mutiny) -- the world's masters at the craft of intelligence just as they are the world's chess masters. Chess -- so like intelligence work in its requirement for analytical thinking -- is in fact the Russian national sport.

Then there are the Chinese, masters at Go, with their history of thinking literally centuries ahead.

We on the other hand play baseball and anesthetize ourselves with bread and circuses...

As jdd says, no match.

Which is exactly why I am terrified Hillary -- still shackled by Goldwater Girl ideology -- will nuke the world in compensation.
 
 
+13 # kundrol 2016-06-25 20:48
Yes indeed. Good idea to check out the news on RT. I have friends living in Russia, and my ex is Russian (had some good chess games with him and actually won occasionally!) Putin is popular over there, and his speeches are very interesting. The Chinese are screwing with the Tibetans, though, so I have not much good to say about them. But Hillary is no match for sure.
 
 
-8 # rocback 2016-06-26 12:14
lorenbliss, don't you claim to be a Marxist?
 
 
+1 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-06-27 02:26
And that's all it is
 
 
+2 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-06-27 02:26
And what if she does?

From someone supporting Fascism
 
 
-10 # lights 2016-06-26 15:35
lorenbliss: Want you to know, I enjoyed reading your post.

UNTIL, the last sentence.

That's when I see your mindset is rooted in history, which is cool. Except in Hillary's case, you are still stuck in a time period from decades ago. What do you suppose that is all about?

And nuking the world. Seriously, that is so extraordinarily EXTREME.
 
 
-7 # rocback 2016-06-26 17:08
lights, read lorenbliss's website if you REALLY want to know where he is coming from. He says he is a Marxist. That is not MY words.
 
 
+7 # librarian1984 2016-06-26 23:25
So what? You say that like it's a bad thing. Yet you're perfectly okay with supporting a fascist. What a weird world.
 
 
+20 # guomashi 2016-06-25 19:58
Quoting kundrol:
Check out RT for Putin's speeches. From listening to him, I believe you're right, though he is clearly worried.


The entire population of Russia is worried.
They support Putin in his plans to defend Russia against America's encroachment.

They are not stupid and anesthetized like Americans are. They are quite well aware of the situation and what to do about it. We are not prepared in the slightest to deal with the consequences of our irresponsible foreign policy.
 
 
+8 # MsAnnaNOLA 2016-06-26 09:00
Well I have to put in a plug for Trumps anti NATO stance here. NATO is enabling us to threaten Russia now which is not good.
 
 
-8 # rocback 2016-06-26 12:17
you left out the fact that Trumps Campaign manager is also a lobbyist for Putins bagmen in Russia.
 
 
-7 # rocback 2016-06-26 12:17
Over a 40-year career as a lobbyist and political consultant, Manafort and his firms have advised, in no particular order, a business group tied to Ferdinand Marcos, the dictator of the Philippines; Viktor Yanukovych, the ousted Ukrainian president and ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin; and Lynden Pindling, the former Bahamian prime minister who was accused of ties to drug traffickers. Now, he works for Donald Trump."

The Post forgot to mention that Manafort also advised "the despots of the Dominican Republic, Nigeria, Kenya, Equatorial Guinea, and Somalia,
 
 
+2 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-06-27 02:28
All of this has been reported by many MSM outlets.

It still doesn't make anyone vote for the whore
 
 
+22 # dipierro4 2016-06-25 20:28
...She is a dyed in the wool neo con and will lead us into uncontrollable wars...

That's what terrifies me. With HRC we'll get better court nominations, including SCOTUS; immigrants will be treated better, not to mention LGBT's, etc; race relations will be better; lots of positives, at least relative to a Trump presidency. And we'll live through TPP, though I don't like it.

But her bond with the neocons can outbalance all the good. A world at war is an awful thing, and she seems determined to view the world through the Neocon lens, which will lead to that; which in fact practically promotes it. Who will be her Sec. of State? Victoria Nuland?

One of those two will be the next President, barring some extraordinary event.

I've been voting age for almost half a century, but I never have felt as bad about the choices we face as this year. If Richard Nixon were to run on a 3d party ticket with a chance of winning, I'd vote for him.
 
 
+21 # lorenbliss 2016-06-26 00:47
@dipierro4: I have been politically aware at least since 1950 and voting since 1961, and this is the only election in my 76-year lifetime I'd describe as genuinely terrifying -- a choice between World War III and an anti-minority, anti-Leftist Holocaust. Either way, we're fucked.
 
 
+70 # Bic Parker 2016-06-25 13:42
Mr Reich,

You are her longtime friend!

Why don't YOU talk to Hillary?
 
 
-38 # lights 2016-06-25 16:10
Reich is no friend of Hillary. In fact, I don't think he has many friends anymore which is why he is acting so desperate at this point.
 
 
+11 # Ken Halt 2016-06-25 19:18
Do I hear a buzzing sound? Buzz, buzz, buzz, no information there!
 
 
+2 # A_Har 2016-06-27 19:07
Quoting Ken Halt:
Do I hear a buzzing sound? Buzz, buzz, buzz, no information there!
"Lights" OUT is becoming famously FACT FREE.
 
 
+4 # lfeuille 2016-06-25 19:43
To what end?
 
 
+95 # Moxa 2016-06-25 13:48
When Bernie says something it's because he means it with his whole heart. When Clinton says something it's always what she thinks she needs to say to get elected. It therefore doesn't matter if she happens to articulate the rights sounds at the right time. It's her lack of authenticity that disqualifies her for serious consideration.
 
 
+49 # lorenbliss 2016-06-25 14:41
@Moxa: excellent point. The one dependable truth about Hillary is that she will always lie.

Hence if she promised to support even one Sanders proposal, I would assume -- indeed we should all assume -- her promise is as meaningless as Hitler's claims he wanted world peace.
 
 
-36 # lights 2016-06-25 16:12
FACT CHECK AFTER FACT CHECK shows Hillary telling the truth more than ANY candidate including Bernie Sanders!

On the other hand, Donald Trump according to any FACT CHECK organization is a pathological liar!
 
 
+19 # lfeuille 2016-06-25 19:46
These "fact checks" parse her statements to find a some words that are literally true but in context give a false impression.
 
 
+16 # dipierro4 2016-06-25 20:41
In a literal sense she may avoid lies. That doesn't mean that she speaks from her heart, that she speaks to the best in people, or that she discusses issues in a good faith search for solutions.
 
 
-6 # rocback 2016-06-26 18:08
Lights, they don't want to be confused by the FACTS.
 
 
+2 # A_Har 2016-06-27 19:17
Quoting lights:
FACT CHECK AFTER FACT CHECK shows Hillary telling the truth more than ANY candidate including Bernie Sanders!

On the other hand, Donald Trump according to any FACT CHECK organization is a pathological liar!
Hillary lying for 12 minutes straight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI
 
 
0 # Ralph0077 2016-06-28 12:05
No Liar can succeed without intertwining enough truth to blur the perception. How about this truth : In Four Decades of audio and video records Bernie has committed NOT ONE LIE. Who among us,let alone politicians,can truthfully say that (!)
 
 
+36 # ChrisCurrie 2016-06-25 13:49
The BREXIT vote is further evidence (along with a shrinking middle class in most EU countries) that the debt-based monetary systems (which are essentially Ponzi schemes) are collapsing. Every euro paid for interest on a loan is a euro that wasn’t created by that loan in the first place. So even though further loans are made, the money supply that is available for purchasing everything else diminishes accordingly. Since the wealthy are the ones who are doing most of the lending (and have used their wealth to bribe their politicians to rig their laws to help ensure that they stay wealthy or become even more wealthy) the impact of the monetary collapse hits the countries’ poor and middle classes first. That’s why we are seeing such an increase in the “income gap” between the wealthy and everyone else.

History has repeatedly shown that the poor a middle classes eventually REVOLT when this happens. The “austerity measures” which the EU has been imposing on most EU citizens in order to further protect the wealthy is accelerating this process! If the EU REALISTICALLY wishes to survive, it will either have to abandon its debt-based monetary system entirely or at least “create money out of thin air” to annually reimburse ALL levels of government within the EU for the money lost due to the payment of interest on all loans paid within their jurisdictions. This can easily be accounted for through the annual tax paying process and reduce the need to raise local taxes.
 
 
+17 # kundrol 2016-06-25 14:10
Seems like a complicated issue. Maybe RSN can find some articles explaining what's going on over there a little better. I know Scotland is making another try at becoming independent, but they voted to stay in the EU. I'm confused.
 
 
+24 # Doc Mary 2016-06-25 14:49
When the last vote for Independence failed by a small margin, one of the main reasons was that Scots were told they might not be allowed into the EU. So now the English (who greatly outnumber the Scots) have voted to leave the EU! Thus the Scots now want a new vote for independence, with the understanding that as an independent nation, they will remain in the EU.

There is no fear of immigration in Scotland, and the Scots have a stronger international understanding than their neighbors to the South. They were just as tired of the austerity measures, but they believe they can reverse that trend by becoming independent and creating their own policies.

Since we're on the subject, the English really left the Northern Irish twisting in the wind. The Republic of Ireland, which is an independent nation, is in the EU. Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU because leaving will mean the border will become serious again - there are no barriers today (unlike in the years of "the troubles"). Apparently nobody in England thought of that.
 
 
+20 # lorenbliss 2016-06-25 15:08
@Doc Mary: Thank you. Indeed, if the Scots can find a way around EU austerity measures -- workers' cooperatives, perhaps? -- they will literally be a beacon for the world.

(Disclosure: though my surname is English -- Norman actually -- genetically we Blisses are mostly Scottish. Having known several native Scots here in the USian Homeland, I have long supported Scottish independence for cultural as well as economic reasons.)
 
 
+19 # NAVYVET 2016-06-25 20:51
I hope the two parts of Ireland use their mutual needs to join together in ONE IRELAND! This is a big opportunity for them.
 
 
+6 # lorenbliss 2016-06-26 00:23
@NAVYVET: Hear, hear!
 
 
+7 # kundrol 2016-06-25 20:52
Thank you Doc. That's quite helpful.
 
 
-21 # jpmarat 2016-06-25 13:49
The ONLY good thing I have heard about Empress Hillary in many years comes from those who hold pre-decision discussions with her. They say she welcomes every possible point of view, examines them systematically. I think she does not trust Berners to actually show up, WORK for her, DELIVER for her. They have attacked her too vehemently, and they let Bernie down in key states. So she courts the center, from center left, all the way to center right. A very high priority for her is keeping Big Donors away from Trump, therefore, no yuge tax increases for the rich. Calculating, but still without specific goals to work toward. AFFORDABLE College, AFFORDABLE Retirement, 21st Century Infrastructure provide opportunities for her. But she needs to get off the "safe' dime?
 
 
+74 # laurele 2016-06-25 14:24
Bernie voters did NOT let Bernie down in key states. They came out and voted in huge numbers. Hillary's voter suppression tactics and outright cheating are what gave her the higher number of delegates. Cheating isn't winning, and I don't vote for cheaters.
 
 
-47 # ericlipps 2016-06-25 14:35
Quoting laurele:
Bernie voters did NOT let Bernie down in key states. They came out and voted in huge numbers. Hillary's voter suppression tactics and outright cheating are what gave her the higher number of delegates. Cheating isn't winning, and I don't vote for cheaters.

Since you probably assume that EVERY Clinton win was the result of cheating --except, perhaps, down South, where too many you-know-whats got to vote and picked her over the white man's Democrat (just look at the racial composition of states where Sanders won)--you could hardly say anything else.
 
 
+14 # kundrol 2016-06-25 20:56
There's a lawsuit for election fraud being filed in Ohio. I don't hold out much hope for it changing anything, but I'm glad they are doing it.
 
 
-1 # bettysdad@yahoo.com 2016-06-27 02:30
Across the nation, every vote tally that's flipped had originally been for Hillary.

Not a single vote has flipped for hillary
 
 
+72 # jdd 2016-06-25 13:52
Ask her to release the Goldman transcripts, the emails regarding the Arab Spring, Qadaffi, Assad and Ukraine, and endorse Glass-Steagall.
 
 
-34 # ericlipps 2016-06-25 14:38
Quoting jdd:
Ask her to release the Goldman transcripts, the emails regarding the Arab Spring, Qadaffi, Assad and Ukraine, and endorse Glass-Steagall.

If she released all those emails, and none of them revealed anything for which she could be jailed, summarily shot or burned at the stake, you'd probably say she was still hiding the good stuff. No one can shut down that kind of argument.
 
 
+35 # markovchhaney 2016-06-25 15:19
But since she promised to "look into" releasing them, another lie, and then didn't release them, she begs us all to assume the worst. And we do, with good reason, #ericlipps. Only releasing the full transcripts will dispel the suspicion that those were her 44% Romney moments in their raw ugliness.
 
 
-3 # MsAnnaNOLA 2016-06-26 09:04
Shill much? She will be jailed when she loses.
 
 
-5 # Joe Blow 2016-06-26 01:33
I am guessing that Hillary Clinton will release the transcripts of her speeches to Goldman Sachs when Donald Trump releases his tax returns.
 
 
+50 # politicaleconomist 2016-06-25 14:02
The DNC just sold us out to the 1%,fracking yes, TPP yes, single payer NO, justice NO.
http://usuncut.com/politics/sanders-dnc-platform-committee-fight/
 
 
-42 # rocback 2016-06-25 14:24
Wrong. She is against the TPP. She is basically against all but the most austere and safe forms of fracking to the point there will be little of it. While she is for a single payer healthcare system, she realizes that with a GOP Congress it would be a mistake to try to change anything with Obamacare at this time as it would open it up to repeal and we would never it it back.
 
 
+39 # jimallyn 2016-06-25 15:16
Quoting rocback:
Wrong. She is against the TPP.

If she opposes the TPP, then why did she speak out in favor of it at least 45 times, and call it the "gold standard" of trade deals?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/15/politics/45-times-secretary-clinton-pushed-the-trade-bill-she-now-opposes/index.html
 
 
-15 # rocback 2016-06-25 17:10
because when she said that it had not been formed yet. Only a fool doesn't change their minds when the facts change.
 
 
+23 # Ken Halt 2016-06-25 19:29
Maybe she should have informed herself instead of flip-flopping to align with the way the wind is blowing now. I don't think you're going to get very far on this thread as an apologist for HRC, we are well acquainted with her long public record of support for free trade deals, militarism, and triangulation. You want us to believe she opposes TPP, yet she has supported virtually every free trade deal that has been presented to her. Yeh, sure! Actions speak louder than words.
 
 
-9 # rocback 2016-06-26 12:21
How do you "inform" yourself of a work in progress until the work is finished, geniius?
 
 
+9 # AshamedAmerican 2016-06-26 13:56
If it was only a "work in progress", why would she have presumed that it would be the "gold standard", especially when all of its predecessors were only beneficial to the ruling class? Why was she pushing it for years if she was not informed of its contents?

So, roc, are you promoting a candidate who routinely does not know what she is talking about, or a liar who will say anything she perceives a given audience wants to hear?
 
 
-10 # rocback 2016-06-26 17:16
She was Sec of State 3 years ago when she said that and the negotiations had just begun. Fast forward 3 years later and the end result was something she could not support because it did not have the protections for worker safety and the environment she was hoping would be in there. Also, she was no longer Sec of State and serving at Obama's pleasure. Why is that so hard to understand?
 
 
+8 # AshamedAmerican 2016-06-26 21:43
So she promoted it throughout much of the world for 3 years without knowing what she was talking about. That is what you are implying, right? And she was doing this for her boss, Obama. OK. So she was going around making inaccurate claims out of ignorance. And we all know she went around making claims about Iraq's WMDs too. So are you thinking that it is incompetence or gullibility or blind ambition with which your candidate is so enthusiastic about repeatedly promoting wars and fascist trade agreements for her boss and her opposition party leaders, based on inaccurate information? And she was a key player in the destruction of Libya, which was also based on lies. And when she celebrated the assassination of the leader of that country, was she also just expressing such enthusiasm to impress her boss, or was she still that ignorant to have believed all the lies spewed about him by the MSM? Whatever combination of ignorance, gullibility and immoral ambition that you think your candidate possesses, is it really what you are left with to promote her? Must be a difficult job to have to defend the words and actions of someone as lame and/or corrupt as you imply HRC is. It is almost as bad as it would be if you believed as I do: she will say whatever she wants her audience to think.
 
 
+3 # Ken Halt 2016-06-27 10:15
crock: Alternately, she could have kept her mouth shut if she didn't know what she was talking about. That said, it does reveal, as Bernie has said, her knee jerk support for virtually every free trade deal that came her way. These free trade deals have been very profitable for the oligarchs and HRC's Wall St cronies and very costly for the 99%. And, by the way, you spelled genius wrong. You are so inept, we really should demand a better quality of troll, one at least that can compose cogent arguments in understandable English prose.
 
 
-10 # lights 2016-06-26 15:52
LorenBliss: In case you didn't notice - the winds of revolution are apparent in several sectors of our society and Hillary Rodham Clinton is cause of one of those revolutions. Breathtaking.
 
 
0 # dsepeczi 2016-06-28 08:43
Quoting rocback:
because when she said that it had not been formed yet. Only a fool doesn't change their minds when the facts change.


Only a fool would so famously and energetically endorse something she knew nothing about at the time (according to her and her faithful).
 
 
+6 # MsAnnaNOLA 2016-06-26 09:05
Class action lawsuit against DNC for not being neutral as they are supposed to by their own bylaws. It is happening all Bernie downers can be a member of the class
 
 
+43 # djnova50 2016-06-25 14:09
I received an email from Jeff Weaver, Bernie's campaign manager, letting me know that Bernie will be taking his campaign in a different direction. He thanked me for my continued support; but, offered me the opportunity to end my recurring donations. I opted to do that.

I am waiting until after the convention to see who the nominee is. I'm expecting that it will be Hillary; and, if so, I will be going in a different direction with my vote in November.

Bernie said that he will probably vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. Bernie is free to vote for whomever he wants to. I am free to vote for whomever I want to, as well.
 
 
+28 # Radscal 2016-06-25 18:36
I have never heard of a candidate offer to stop accepting donations. Certainly not without having first dropped out. Hell, a half dozen Republicans are still taking donations because they only "suspended" their campaigns.

This guy is truly a once in a lifetime candidate.
 
 
-9 # rocback 2016-06-26 12:22
Are you saying Weaver is STILL collecting from those poor people? I guess he doesn't want to go back to selling his comic books in rural Virginia just yet.
 
 
-9 # lights 2016-06-26 15:53
Seriously. I just don't get good vibes from the guy. (Weaver)
 
 
-10 # rocback 2016-06-26 17:20
He left Sanders in the Senate and started a comic book store in a small town in Va. It was not doing too well and when Bernie called and asked him back, he jumped at it. He is making $10,000 a month and he doesn't want off the gravy train.

So they keep floating all these lies about Hillary and the Bernie or Bust morons lap it up. Look at the latest...they lied about Hillary not agreeing to the $15 min wage in the platform committee. That will last them for a while. I just exposed it above but it conflicts with their preconceived bias so it will not be believed.
 
 
+8 # Radscal 2016-06-26 17:17
LOL. Weaver sends out an email offering to stop the automatic donations and you pretend it's the exact opposite.

Karl Rove has taught you well.
 
 
+44 # Timshel 2016-06-25 14:15
Clinton cannot keep acting through her surrogates and allowed to make weasel-worded promises like being against TPP for now and get the real Progressives' support.

HRC is playing Russian Roulette with Sanders supporters banking on the fact that Trump is so awful that they will have to vote for her to stop Trump.

This stance by many Clintonites shows they have kept their heads in the sand where they had them when they decided to support HRC in the first place (and their hands on their pocketbooks).

With NATO trying to provoke the Russians and the US trying to provoke China, an aggressive warhawk like Clinton begins to look even more dangerous than that idiot Trump.
 
 
-28 # lights 2016-06-25 14:56
Timshel: Question. If you were actually in the water drowning - and Hillary Rodham Clinton reached out to throw you a life raft - would you take it from her or drown?

Think about it because if Donald Trump is allowed to get into the White House - this country is going to drown in his lying madness!
 
 
+36 # markovchhaney 2016-06-25 15:20
#lights, she's an anchor, not a life raft.
 
 
-32 # lights 2016-06-25 16:15
The question was focused on him, not her! Although being an anchor for good is a wonderful metaphor for her. The world surely does need an anchor! GO HILLARY!
 
 
+26 # lorenbliss 2016-06-25 16:27
@markovchhaney: were Hillary to throw any of us a life jacket, we can be certain it would be made of cement.
 
 
-7 # lights 2016-06-26 15:53
Oh, loren.
 
 
+6 # Ralph 2016-06-26 17:38
Or filled with lead.
 
 
+46 # Paul Larudee 2016-06-25 14:15
"the public doesn’t know what she stands for"

Clinton better hope the public doesn't know what she stands for, because a major element of her administration will be unending warfare, mostly in the Middle East. It will drain our resources and make the war profiteers wealthy on public money, and leave nothing with which to do any kind of domestic economic program.

Trump is a xenophobe and misogynist, but I doubt that he's going to bankrupt us through war. Clinton may be better on women's rights and immigration, but how many deaths are worth a somewhat better domestic policy?
 
 
-19 # lights 2016-06-25 14:58
Now, Paul. He has a long record of failure and "bankruptcy."

Isn't this a little like doing the same thing over and over but each time expecting a different outcome? Otherwise known as insanity?
 
 
+39 # markovchhaney 2016-06-25 15:21
Voting for another Clinton is the insanity.
 
 
-28 # lights 2016-06-25 16:16
Voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton!
 
 
+18 # Ken Halt 2016-06-25 19:30
INSANITY!
 
 
-8 # rocback 2016-06-26 12:27
lights, I think this guy Paul Larudee is from Iran and is calling for the destruction of Isreal according to his description in Wikipedia. It also says he is also a member of BDS and supports terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah
 
 
-9 # lights 2016-06-26 15:54
seriously? I gotta look him up. Would he really just plop himself in here?
 
 
-8 # rocback 2016-06-26 17:27
google Paul Larudee and check him out in Wickopedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Larudee

It also says this:

Lee Kaplan just released undercover videos of Larudee at meetings of the Board of Directors for ISM and the BDS movement in which Larudee states he does not really care about BDS but his real purpose is to destroy the Jewish state. The videos are viewable here: http://israelbehindthenews.com/bds-movement-inside/14626/ .
 
 
-1 # Douglas Jack 2016-06-30 11:00
rockback & lights, Thanks for identifying Paul Larudee for his non-violent commitment, even under constant harassment, death, injury, imprisonment & dismemberment of our Palestinian people. Thanks for identifying the real agenda of your Hasbara - Mossad - Rothschild banker employers, which of course employ Hillary as well. Is Hillary more committed to work under the command of apartheid Zionist Israel, than to any US allegiance as an Israeli surrogate? Do you believe what Palestine has suffered at the hands of imperial colonialism is any different from the exacerbated fate of the whole world now?

Hillary Clinton email: “Destroy Syria for Israel”, 22May’16, TNO STAFF— IN MIDDLE EAST Confirms Obama administration deliberately provoked civil war in Syria as the “best way to help Israel.” Indicative of her murderous & psychopathic nature, Clinton also wrote that it was the “right thing” to personally threaten Bashar Assad’s family with death. http://newobserveronline.com/clinton-destroy-syria-israel/
 
 
+47 # laurele 2016-06-25 14:18
Hillary stands for nothing but personal aggrandizement in terms of money and power. I will NEVER vote for her, and this stand only strengthens my resolve.
 
 
-32 # lights 2016-06-25 14:59
laurele:

"nothing"

"NEVER."

You are limited in your BLACK & WHITE thinking!
 
 
+18 # markovchhaney 2016-06-25 15:21
By eliminating ONE option, voting for Hillary, that's hardly b&w thinking, you moronic twit.
 
 
-19 # lights 2016-06-25 16:17
Learn to read thoroughly!
 
 
+15 # Ken Halt 2016-06-25 19:31
It's what you wrote, own it, lights!
 
 
+5 # markovchhaney 2016-06-26 00:54
Yes, but he hates being called out on his own idiocy.
 
 
-45 # ericlipps 2016-06-25 14:29
What St. Bernard of Brooklyn "needs" (or at least wants) to hear from Hillary Clinton is: "I recognize the moral superiority and wisdom of Bernie Sanders. Therefore, I direct all delegates pledged to me to switch to Bernie at the convention so that he can lead us all into a glorious future."

Not happening.
 
 
-35 # lights 2016-06-25 15:55
SUPERIORITY for sure ...and CLASSIC SEXISM in the workplace.

Imagine this man (Sanders) who obviously did NOT get "the job." A man who could now choose to get a grip on reality, gracefully go off and continue to work hard for these shared ideals since he LOST the nomination. Instead with his consciousness of white male privilege, he has the audacity to IMPOSE HIS WILL, HIS vision of HIS lost Presidency on HER PRESIDENCY - attempting to render her vision for the country and her own Presidency completely irrelevant and invisible!

His behavior is cartoonish! And outrageously laughable! CLASSIC SEXISM in the workplace.
 
 
+34 # Texas Aggie 2016-06-25 16:29
These two posts are a classic case of projection. Since Hillary is motivated by her own personal aggrandizement, you assume that Bernie is, too.

What motivates him since he was a college student supporting the Civil Rights campaign while Ms. Goldwater Girl wasn't is a fair society that upholds American values. He isn't in this for his own self. He's in it to repair America from the disaster that Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama have made by giving the ranch to the moneyed class.
 
 
-32 # lights 2016-06-25 18:36
Hillary Rodham Clinton has done more for Civil Rights than Bernie has even THOUGHT of doing and THAT IS EXACTLY why most all of the leaders in the Civil Rights movement and the majority are VOTING for her and endorsing HER!
 
 
+23 # Ken Halt 2016-06-25 19:32
In your revisionist history but not on planet earth.
 
 
+14 # markovchhaney 2016-06-26 01:00
Ever seen a little tome called FALSE CHOICES: The Faux Feminism of Hillary Rodham Clinton, edited by Liza Featherstone? It's a collection of essays by actual feminists. Just came out recently. Gives the lie to the nonsense that HRC is in any way a feminist. She and her lackeys trying to sell us the notion that she's a victim of sexism in the "workplace" would be funny if it weren't tragic.

Of the two candidates for the nomination, which one has consistently made hundreds of thousands of dollars from every conceivable opportunity? And from whom? Ms. Wal-Mart board member can't stick the corporate dollars in the bank fast enough. She and Bill sold nights in the Lincoln Bedroom the last time they lived in the White House. These are disgusting people. They have no business getting a second shot at raping the country and the world under the auspices of POTUS.

She has no vision, no principles, no ethics. It's all fair game in her goal to die a billionaire. Stick your tongue a little further up her behind and maybe she'll fart a few crumbs of capitalist greed in your mouth.
 
 
-12 # lights 2016-06-26 10:42
I cannot think of a woman's organization that is not SERIOUSLY behind and endorsing and promoting the election of Hillary Rodham Clinton and who have been behind her all along. Significant women's organizations who have always had a CLEAR understanding of her life, her work, her challenges, her progress and the significant pioneering path that she has FORGED! We are All RIGHT BEHIND HER on ALL OF IT and all the way to the White House!

Of course, there are some women who have their own ideas. Good for them! That's what feminism has ALWAYS been about!
 
 
+23 # Doc Mary 2016-06-25 14:38
I suspect Clinton does not think she has a vision problem - because she does not realize she is facing backwards.

Somebody within her organization has to wake her up, or we could end up with a narcissistic nincompoop as president (and make no mistake, despite all of Clinton's problems, she would be better than a neo-Mussolini).

The political landscape has shifted. And you need no more evidence than the Brexit vote in England (NOT Britain - Scotland and NI voted to stay in the EU).

I have not seen anything to show she understands the dire economic straights many find themselves in today - employment figures notwithstanding . Or the sad reality that for too many, the younger generation has no hope of doing as well as their parents did. She still thinks she's middle class, and is going by her own experience.

I have seen nothing to show she understands the rising concerns about a 15-year war in the Mideast that creates destruction wherever it spreads and has become, for us, the Big Muddy.

In BOTH these cases, Trump understands the public mood better than she does - he is pandering, offering up nothing but lies - but he understands it. Again, this is very similar to what happened in England with Brexit (and Trump would agree with you on that.)

She is a smart woman. She is capable of understanding that the ground is shifting and she needs to move. But does anybody around her understand this? And will she move where she must to win this election?
 
 
+45 # cokacoa2 2016-06-25 14:58
Being a delegate to our state convention was an eye-opener for me. The level of cheating on the part of the Hillary side was so obvious and they didn't even bother to conceal it. The democratic establishment pushed so hard for Hillary's nomination that those who call it a coronation are right on the mark. In our state, the absentee ballets given to the Bernie campaign didn't at all match the finalized list. Without those absentee ballots, Bernie won by a landslide. I am too discouraged to hope for anything fair to come of all of this in November.
 
 
+32 # southernwood 2016-06-25 15:18
It was bad enough reading about what was done, never mind to see it unfolding before you. Thank you for being there.

We must fight them and the injustice they have perpetrated upon us, the country, and the world, by every non-violent means we can.

See you in Philly, and beyond.
 
 
+38 # MDSolomon 2016-06-25 15:02
Any "progressive" vision on Clinton's part would be entirely disingenuous. She has proven throughout her career that she takes money from the international banking cartel and their corporations and does their bidding, including slaughtering hundreds of thousand of people (and drone bombings of children), supporting fracking and GMOs, and the destruction of the U.S. economy as part of stealing assets for 1%. This is, by definition, fascism (corporate control over the state). http://coloradopublicbanking.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-plan-from-beginning-was-lesser-of.html
 
 
+32 # elkingo 2016-06-25 15:08
As noted elsewhere, all this palaver about experience and competence is smoke. Governing is not a technical specialty. This idea derives from the advancing technocracy qua Deus ex machina. Leaders need compassion, resolve and vision even love, not a form of technobabble from Hillary who exhibits none of the forgoing.
 
 
+24 # lobdillj 2016-06-25 15:10
Robert Reich wrote, "She needs a bold vision and a big idea proportional to the scale of the large economic problems most Americans face.”

Read this:http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-clinton-fundraiser-robert-kagan/

Why would you think she would be acceptable if she said what we want to hear? Where’s her credibility?
 
 
-32 # lights 2016-06-25 16:20
Obviously her credibility is behind you and you can't see it. She has almost FOUR MILLION more votes from "WE the PEOPLE" who DO see it!
 
 
+22 # kath 2016-06-25 16:39
Somehow, every time a Hillary supporter says "she has X more votes," the number goes up. We started at "over a million," now I see it's four. Perhaps those magically multiplying numbers are how Hillary won?
 
 
-20 # lights 2016-06-25 18:37
No, it is quite simple. As the primaries went along over the months, so did the voters vote and the numbers increased. Is that so difficult to figure out?
 
 
+5 # markovchhaney 2016-06-26 01:03
Only thing "simple" around here is the minds of lights, rocback, and the other trolls.
 
 
-9 # rocback 2016-06-26 12:31
Bernie Busters have been having a difficult time with math.

:-)
 
 
+10 # markovchhaney 2016-06-26 01:02
It's like her facing fire on the ground in Bosnia and every other pile of crap that emerges from her mouth to suit the moment. Her followers vie to match her in mendacity.
 
 
-10 # rocback 2016-06-26 17:31
It was the Bernie or Busters who just got caught in a big lie today on the platform committee and its $15 min wage.
 
 
+1 # A_Har 2016-06-27 19:10
Quoting lights:
Obviously her credibility is behind you and you can't see it. She has almost FOUR MILLION more votes from "WE the PEOPLE" who DO see it!
And this coming from someone who has no credibility here AT ALL! Hilarious.
 
 
+8 # elkingo 2016-06-25 15:11
Brava djnova50 -
Right on!
 
 
-26 # carlcoon 2016-06-25 15:25
Faced with two bad choices you hold your nose and vote for Hillary. I wish her foreign policy were more like Obama's and less neocolonialist, but we can probably survive four more years of neocon foolishness and by then perhaps we'll have learned something.
 
 
+22 # Radscal 2016-06-25 18:43
Maybe you and I could "probably survive four more years of neocon foolishness," but my heart won't let me condemn unknown numbers of innocent brown-skinned people to four more years of neocon death and destruction.
 
 
+6 # Billy Bob 2016-06-26 18:02
Not to mention light-skinned people who are currently children and will have an even more difficult time trying to undo the damage.

I have my own children to think about. For selfish reasons I can't support Clinton. I actually love my children and the Clinton name is pure poison to anyone truly concerned about future generations.
 
 
+13 # lfeuille 2016-06-25 20:01
If you are going to wish for a better foreign policy why settle for Obama's. He is the one who allowed her to screw up Libya and Syria. He doesn't get off by being half hearted about it.

Every day we get more mired in endless war. It will be harder, not easier to get out of it in 4 years.
 
 
+11 # markovchhaney 2016-06-26 01:04
Obama hasn't exactly been good for us in terms of foreign policy. And that's from someone who voted for him twice. He's my last knowing neoliberal vote ever.
 
 
+5 # tigerlillie 2016-06-26 12:30
Ditto.
 
 
+29 # angelfish 2016-06-25 15:28
In view of the Fact that she has perverted the Primaries and had Millions of Bernie's votes "dissappeared", I think he should run on the Green Ticket and Clean her Filthy Clock!
 
 
+31 # TruthSeeker2 2016-06-25 15:44
It doesn't matter what she "says". Her record has shown that she will say anything to get elected, but it has no bearing on what she will DO. She will protect her own and her donors' pocketbooks—tha t is her only allegiance.
 
 
-44 # lights 2016-06-25 16:05
Robert Reich - you ask what we think?

I think you are now all over the board at this point in an attempt to save your own reputation and professional standing!

Hillary Rodham Clinton has WON the nomination by almost FOUR MILLION (3, 775,437) more VOTES and counting! She is currently ahead by 13 points in the polls against TRUMP and climbing. Yet you, like the man Bernie think you by your grandiose male WILL can define the vision of HER Presidency for her and unlike ALL of the Presidents who have gone before her.
 
 
+21 # Anonymot 2016-06-25 16:52
Goodness, your lighting system blew a fuse! We are all actively interested in reestablishing democracy in this country. We all KNOW what your master's vision is.

The platform of which we speak is the Democrat PARTY policy and even in her arrogance she doesn't pretend to be the dictator yet.

Paid trolls are supposed to convince people to vote for their boss. You consistently sound like you missed TROLLHOOD 1.01.

You and rockhead and the Lip haven't convinced anyone here so you are all docked for 2 weeks pay.
 
 
0 # Auteur47 2016-06-25 17:21
"Democrat PARTY?!"
 
 
+13 # Anonymot 2016-06-25 17:36
Since I no longer consider the Democrats democratic in the normal sense of the word, its proper denomination is the Democrat Party.

The troll to whom I responded says that whatever Clinton says is what the millions of party members must think. Never before has that been suggested and it most certainly is not democratic.

A Party platform is a coming together of ideas, not a diktat.
 
 
+9 # Radscal 2016-06-25 18:45
Clearly, winning over Sanders supporters is NOT the trolls' goal.

See Loren Bliss' excellent post on the CHAOS disruption of the "counter culture" of the 1960s - 1980.

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/37633-britain-shocks-world-breaks-with-european-union-british-leader-steps-down
 
 
-14 # ojg 2016-06-25 21:40
Anon, there is no Democrat party, doofus! It is the Democratic Party. You are not a Democrat; you are a Trumpist. So, if you want to mess around with a party platform, you mosey on over to Cleveland and mess around with your own party platform.
 
 
+5 # Anonymot 2016-06-26 00:24
Goodness! A new troll.
 
 
+3 # Billy Bob 2016-06-26 18:03
Not new. ojg just doesn't work as many hours a day as rockback.
 
 
+18 # Texas Aggie 2016-06-25 16:33
Everyone go and reread Matt Taibbi's article on what happens to a party that depends on being the "lesser of two evils" to win elections.
 
 
+21 # djnova50 2016-06-25 17:05
From the title: Hillary's lack of a Progressive Vision Leaves the Door Open for Trump.

I disagree with that statement. Hillary's lack of a Progressive Vision, does not leave the door open for Trump. I believe that it will leave the door open for Dr. Jill Stein, a true Progressive. All of the voters who wanted to vote for Bernie Sanders; but, were unable to do so, for one reason or another, should look into voting for Jill Stein of the Green Party.

Not only does the Green Party support free public education at colleges and university, it goes beyond Bernie Sanders in advocating for Student Loan Forgiveness, which is something that I've been advocating for many years.
 
 
+16 # Auteur47 2016-06-25 17:18
And what happens if the FBI finds that Hillary should be indicted? Even if Atty Gen Lynch does pursue indictment, Clinton might be so severely damaged that the advantage could be enough for a Trump win! The Demos and the nation would be up the creek. If for no other reason, that's why Bernie should remain in the wings if things go that far South.
 
 
+28 # abbielives 2016-06-25 18:06
I'm frightened. I can't tell you how many people I know, who voted for Bernie,would vote for Trump over Hillary. People are sick of the deafness of the Democratic party. There is no way they would vote for Hillary, even if she said everything they would want to hear No one believes her. The thing about Trump is that they don't have a history of being lied to by him, as they do with her. The party should get real. This is too important of an election to hand it over to the Republicans and Bernie has more of a chance to win than Hillary does. If they're assuming that all those people will vote for her in the end, they are sadly mistaken.
 
 
+10 # lfeuille 2016-06-25 20:08
It is too important to hand over to Hillary and the neocons.
 
 
+5 # tigerlillie 2016-06-26 14:57
My conscience does not allow me to vote for Trump, nor Hillary, but it isn't that difficult to understand the motivation of long term voters with traditional Democratic party values to do just that, i.e., vote for Trump. It is a frightening situation. My only consolation is that maybe the cross over votes for Hillary from long term Republicans will cancel those votes out.
 
 
+6 # RNLDaWy 2016-06-25 22:08
She has no strategy or 'Vision' that's it! When she won enough votes to get the Nomination ... she stood there in awe of herself .. calling the fact that she as a woman .. being the candidate for President of one party Historic!!! That tells a lot .. she's counting on the woman's vote I guess .. she thought experience in two offices one as a senator the other Sec of State will give her the nod .. people don't care .. I don't care how far ahead she is now .. she's got nothing going for her except to make the 'election' about making sure we don't elect Trump .. not at all about what she has to offer that differs from the angst out there in the electorate .. and thus .. she'll fucking lose!!! I fucking Guarantee It ...
 
 
+11 # TLCummins 2016-06-25 23:04
People who still believe the DNC represents them, or Hillary is one of the 99% are Ostrich. The party platform today was not the final nail but we all know it's a big black box waiting for a corpse. Bernie would be the nominee had the primaries not been rigged. And I'm sure he would still like to take the opportunity to unite the government into a legislative body that can do what the majority of Americans want done.
 
 
+8 # Annette Saint John Lawrence 2016-06-26 07:57
The person that fits the equation of "we the people"is Bernie Sanders.
 
 
-9 # lights 2016-06-26 10:58
Yet you and yours would turn back the millions of "we the people" votes for Hillary Rodham Clinton and steal the (undemocratic according to Sanders) Super delegates so he could win the nomination? Where is rocback? His hobby is pointing out hypocrisy!
 
 
+8 # Jayceecool 2016-06-26 08:29
I agree, Bob. As the Brexit vote reflects, common people are voting against elites and the status quo. For many good, and some bad, reasons. Hillary represents a continuation of Bill's center-right policies. All Trump's campaign has to do is start yelling "status quo"...
 
 
+7 # Staranand 2016-06-26 11:52
As a nurse I keep track of health in the U.S. It is important to know that death rates have increased dramatically for middle aged white people. Cause of death is suicide and substance abuse including liver failure from alcohol. These are all signs of high stress and social isolation. Consider what this means in the election and society in general. People and especially white people, are feeling the current system is not supporting them. Senator Sanders would say that they hear how great the economy is supposed to be doing, but their individual lives are not improving, in fact that they are becoming more difficult. Senator Sanders and his policies offer a clear way to improve the lives of the middle class. Secretary Clinton does not. Trump is attractive to some because he does not support the current system that many feel is not supporting them, and is in fact a system that is actively against them. Yes, Trump is a racist, unqualified and dangerously unstable man. But many feel on the edge and are willing to throw the dice because they feel they are dying as things are. If Senator Sanders' policies are not promoted by the DNC, do not be surprised if those who feel disenfranchised choose not to support Secretary Clinton. Trump would be a horrible choice, but many feel they have no options left. Please push to have Senator Sanders' policies pushed by the DNC.
 
 
+3 # tigerlillie 2016-06-26 14:53
Oh, I am sorry, I usually don't much care about the thumbs up/down votes, but this was such a thoughtful post that I wanted to vote it thumbs up, but managed to hit thumbs down instead (easy to do on a small tablet screen). Apologies.
 
 
+7 # Maybe 2016-06-26 12:16
Ultimately it's not Hillary who's in trouble. It's us. I hold by my belief that if elected, she will have us in a devastating war within a year. Bernie pushed hard and tried hard, but he's up against the political stone wall of the Clintons who, if necessary, would probably have him hit. Trump is a P.T. Barnum nominee ... fooling most of the people most of the time. Who's worse? You tell me.
 
 
+6 # tigerlillie 2016-06-26 12:29
HRC has probably decided that she doesn't need Bernie' s endorsement to win, and she is probably right. It may be best this way, less blurring of the lines.

Can someone explain to me why Bernie isn't going after her on election fraud? He must have a good reason, and it is not that he is a gentleman, but for the life of me, I can't figure out why.
 
 
+5 # Radscal 2016-06-26 13:00
I can think of a few reasons that Sanders is not going after the election fraud.

One is that he really is, but quietly, in the background. Collecting all the data to present a single, powerful prosecution.

All the others are bad.
 
 
+3 # tigerlillie 2016-06-26 14:49
Yeah, that is what I figured.
 
 
+8 # Marchpower 2016-06-26 22:03
Quite honestly, and I've been saying this for months and months and months. Trump behaves like the perfect Clinton Troll. His job was to (1) capture media coverage in an effort to drown out Bernie Sanders, (2) potentially derail the Republican Party, (3) clear the way for Hillary (his long-time friend, mother of his daughter's best friend, long time campaign funding recipient, fellow Elite-Democrat, etc.) to gain the nomination, and (4) throw the election.

He has, thus far, performed admirably. The only reason I can come up with, for Super Delegates to (1) fear-monger Americans with their Trump Scare Tactics and then (2) vote for Hillary, despite the fact that she polls far lower against Trump than Bernie....is that they (the Super Dels) know that Trump is not for real.

He's the quintessential "Bogeyman" - there to create fear - so that Americans will lose their ability to think clearly and become easier to "herd."

If someone asks you to vote, based upon fear, then you are being herded. Q: Who is herding you?

#BernieMustBeOnTheBallot
www.occupyyourgovernment.blogspot.com
 
 
-4 # Depressionborn 2016-06-27 07:34
there appears no way to stop a coming dictatorship global rule. The UN is now planned to police our cities and probably then next our towns.

Hillary [bilary?] has been chosen and the choosers control the counting. good luck
 
 
-7 # Depressionborn 2016-06-27 07:36
The method to destroy nationalism is uncontrolled immigration.
 
 
+3 # wmarcelle@earthlink.net 2016-06-27 18:06
Yes RADSCAL, all the other reasons SANDERS would not be going after the election fraud against him in the primaries would indeed be bad. GORE never fought hard enough to overturn BUSH'S rip-off of the 2000 election and KERRY was strangely silent about BUSH'S rip-off of the 2004 election. I suspect some UNWRITTEN CODE in both parties to never, ever bring up ELECTION FRAUD publicly, because it's a CARD both sides play when necessary. In truth, the results of these elections will always be in question as long as these ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES are used and CORPORATIONS are in control of the machines and the VOTE COUNTS. Why people don't demand that this be changed is beyond me.
 
 
-1 # BoomerZoomer 2016-06-28 10:21
If you guys cannot follow the general guidelines for comments, PLEASE STFU!
 
 
+1 # Ralph0077 2016-06-28 11:50
I have been reading comments from Hillary supporters that counter objections with "nuances"in her current statements that show how she has changed and modified positions that were not very far away from Bernie to begin with. Of course there is the TPP,No fly zone,wall st regulation health care,etc..that are Very far away from Bernie. What does not seem to be taken into account is the death defying dash from the plane in Bosnia and the courage and patriotism it represented. Labels can sometimes be ambiguous,for example a man might have had sex with a man and not deserve the label"gay".Howe ver, several times per month for decades is a different story. For Hillary the "label" Liar fits as closely as the label Woman. With this in mind , Any statement may not be true and can not be used to evaluate her position on anything. Especially since if she wins she will not need the voters who have been lied to for four years.To paraphrase her last "Bernie" strategy - "Lie , get support any way you can , and unite the voters 4yrs later."
 
 
0 # Depressionborn 2016-07-05 02:12
Bernie looking good

Marc Mezvinsky placed a huge bet big on a Greek economic recovery based upon political expectations of a bailout for Greece would go through. His Secretary of State mother-in-law seems to have been sharing classified information to help her son-in-law.
 
 
0 # Robbee 2016-07-11 13:22
says - # RMDC 2016-06-25 13:56
This author would do a lot less harm if he put all that wrist action into jerking his dick.
There's another movement of people who are being organized by Sanders, Jill Stein and the Greens.

- never confuse bernie with jill or greens!

by running a 2nd progressive candidate for prez! jill and greens hurt hill's chances of beating rump! - jill and greens put all their wrist action into jerking rump's dick.

- go bernie and go dem!
 
 
0 # Robbee 2016-07-11 13:25
salute! - bernie! who says he "will oppose (tpp) coming to the floor of Congress during a lame-duck session (because) the trade deal would result in job losses in the United States, make the global race to the bottom even worse, harm the environment, undermine democracy and increase the price of prescription drugs for some of the poorest people in the world."

salute! - # Timshel 2016-07-10 09:51
Stopping TPP is much too important of an issue and we must be fiercely critical of Obama who is the prime moving force behind this, without exaggeration, democracy destroying treaty.

- note! - THE POWER TO TAX IS THE POWER TO DESTROY!

tpp gives global corporations who will certainly lose profits anytime u.s. congress passes laws protecting workers! or our environment! - the power to tax u.s. congress to compensate all losses! - likewise tpp puts corporations in charge of every signatory country!

abdication of sovereignty is central to sen. warren's opposition! - as she just loves to protect us consumers! us humans!

so tpp is a traitor's errand! - moreover tpp is anti-worker! anti-environmen t! and anti-human!

even rump shames the dem party! - from hill's left! - by coming out against tpp! and nafta! - following! of course! in bernie's footsteps!

it is high time the dem party withdrew cover! during obama's post-election! lame-duck presidency! - for dems in congress to vote tpp! - bernie should pre-condition endorsement of hill on her clear! principled opposition!
 

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