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Excerpt: "How could it be what the AP called 'a crushing victory' with so-called 96% of the vote counted? The answer is that 96% of the vote has not been counted."

Man fills out his ballot. (photo: Anne Cusack/LA Times)
Man fills out his ballot. (photo: Anne Cusack/LA Times)


Returning to the Scene of the Crime: The California Primary

By Greg Palast with Dennis J Bernstein, Reader Supported News

16 June 16

 

This week on The Best Democracy Money Can Buy – Election Crimes Bulletin – The Crime Scene: California. The crime? Two million votes still not counted. One million ballots already disqualified, thrown away. Another million so-called provisional “placebo” ballots. Here’s the story of the voting horror show you won’t get on Fox or MSDNC.

TRANSCRIPT (Originally broadcast on June 8, 2016)

ennis J Bernstein: This week, we’re going to do a postmortem on yesterday’s California primary. Greg, I know you were out there. You were also trying to vote?

Palast: I think we need to get a long piece of yellow tape that says “crime scene” and wrap it around the state of California. It was ugly. Days before the election, the polls were showing it was a dead heat between Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton, with Sanders rising. How could it be what the AP called “a crushing victory” with so-called 96% of the vote counted? The answer is that 96% of the vote has not been counted.

Specifically, the mail-in ballots, which tend to be the Democratic Party regulars, were counted first – they’re all Hillary folk. She’s leading among registered Democrats by about 30%. But those who got NPP, that means that they’re independent, No Party Preference ballots, that’s just about the second biggest party in California, a no party … 15% of the people who had those mailed them back in, which is quite a process. Of those ballots, maybe 100,000 were mailed yesterday [Tuesday June 6], a couple hundred thousand total this week. Those have not been received, let alone counted yet. They haven’t been received by the registrar yet, so they can’t have been counted. And those are overwhelmingly voters for Sanders (according to the Golden State Poll, he has a 40% lead among those). Again, those votes have not been received by the boards of elections, let alone counted.

And then, the big one, the really big one, we’re talking provisional ballots. From what I’ve seen at my polling station, and I think it’s quite typical, 15% of the entire vote went into provisional ballots. We’ve discussed those babies before. They’re placebo ballots. They make you think you voted. Whether you get a real ballot or a placebo provisional ballot, in California they give you these little stickers that say “I voted” that you can wear. But the problem is that the 15% of the people who got provisional ballots – so we’re talking up to a quarter million voters – those people may have the “I voted” sticker but it should say: “I don’t know if I voted, because I don’t know if my vote counted.” And it probably won’t be counted. Those, again, are overwhelmingly Sanders voters. At my poll, and every other poll I’ve gotten reporting from, the provisional ballots are given out like candy to the NPP voters. That is, the independent voters who asked for Democratic ballots so they could vote for Senator Sanders. They, for the most part, were either shoved to the provisionals automatically, or handed one if there was some minor problem.

For example, a woman in front of me, was crying – a Sanders voter. She had brought in her NPP ballot to exchange for a Democratic Party ballot, which is her absolute right, but she didn’t bring the envelope. And at my station, and in most of the state, if you didn’t bring in the envelope with your ballot for an exchange, you didn’t get a regular ballot, you got a provisional ballot. And if you didn’t bring in any ballot and said, “I’m an NPP voter, look up on the list, you’ll see my name. I have the right to a Democratic Party ballot.”… If you didn’t bring in your other ballot, the old ballot, forget it. It’s either provisional or nothing, and you were sent away.

So the vote is not over in California. I’m happy to do an autopsy, a postmortem on that election, except that the victim ain’t died yet. Before we conduct an autopsy on the Sanders campaign in California, I think we ought to wait, decently, until he’s actually dead – because he may have won!

DB: How long has this been going on? Should this be going on? When can people really expect to get some kind of feedback on this? Who are they going to pursue, or is this just lost in the abyss?

Palast: Well, two things: Those 100,000 or 200,000 votes that were mailed in in the past couple of days, yesterday (June 7) and the day before (June 6), the state of California will count those, and they’re almost certainly overwhelmingly Bernie voters – if Bernie doesn’t throw in the towel. There will be pressure on him, with people saying, “Come on man, give it up.” In other states he has waived away additional counting and recounts. Those should be counted, unless Sanders does that sort of gentlemanly thing he’s been doing and just waive it off. I hope he doesn’t, because I want to see that vote. It’s very, very important as far as I’m concerned. Because this is the democracy, it’s not about his campaign, it’s about democracy. It’s not about the Democratic Party.

The second thing are the provisional ballots. A poll worker told the woman in front of me: “Don’t worry, fill out a provisional ballot, we’ll count it.” I said: “No, they won’t count it. Because if you didn’t follow the procedure, if anyone wants to challenge you, your vote is knocked out.”

There were all these newly registered folks who lost their vote. My co-host at KPFK here in Los Angeles, Cary Harrison, who has been voting for many, many years, was twice turned down from voting. Then they sent him on a scavenger hunt to other precincts. When he got to the third attempt to vote at a third precinct, they refused to let him vote in the Democratic primary, which is his right as an independent voter. He called the cops, and the cops came in, and suddenly the poll workers followed the law. How about that?

DB: He had to call the police to vote?

Palast: He had to call the police to vote.

DB: I’ve been keeping track of this too. A lot of young people, a lot of first time voters, were misled or devastated when they had the information but they still couldn’t get the proper ballot.

Palast: They couldn’t get the proper ballot. Also, a lot of people registered and didn’t find their name on the voter rolls, and then they got provisional ballots. You’ve got to understand, if your name is not on the voter rolls, they’ll give you a provisional ballot. But that doesn’t mean they’ll count the vote. They won’t. If your name is not on the roll, it doesn’t matter if you registered but they never got around to putting you on. Remember, you’ve got to count on those clerks …

In terms of sheer numbers, yesterday was the most biased election I have seen in the United States. Just ’cause of the sheer number of people who were shafted out of their votes, probably in the area of 400,000 to 500,000 in a single state. Most states don’t even have that many voters! So in terms of just the monster size of the disappearing vote, it was the biggest I’ve seen. But that has to do with California’s size. It’s shameful because it’s a one party state. It’s the Democratic Party, there is no real other party. This was just the Democratic establishment beating the crap out of the new young voters.

What we saw yesterday is fascinating because for the first time, in a long time, we had upper-middle class white voters, the Bernie Sanders supporters, who were treated as if they’d turned black. This is obstacle course voting, where you have to bring in the envelope, and you have to change this, and you have to call that, and your registration is missing, and you’re sent to another precinct, and you’re given a provisional ballot. It’s called a black ballot, back of the bus ballots, because they were almost always given to voters of color. And suddenly you have hundreds of thousands of white folk getting a ballot that they’ve never seen, called the provisional ballot – that’s new!

The problem for Hillary here, frankly, is that all these tricks that were used yesterday – and I’m not accusing her of designing that, I don’t know what her role was. She should be standing up and saying, “That is not the democracy that we want to defend.” The Democratic Party is generally the victim, because most of the victims of these voter games, including the handing out provisional ballots, are directed at black folks, and in November Hillary will miss those votes that get flushed out of the system.

DB: Let me ask you a question about the chain of custody. Those provisional ballots, who will count them? How will they be secured? Who will protect them?

Palast: That’s a very good question. Cause my poll worker says, “Oh, I decide which of these I’m going to count these myself. I’ll make that decision.” What? Huh? No! The problem with provisional ballots is that they are very easy to challenge. They’re supposed to be opened up with representatives of all parties available to review and make the decision whether a ballot should be counted or not. If someone says, “Oh, that person was not on the voter roll.” They can say, “Well, they’re not on the voter roll.” Even if their name was removed wrongly, they’re not on the voter roll. Their vote goes down the toilet.

Then there will be a fight over questions where people voted in the wrong precinct. Because they always vote at that same high school for 40 years, and suddenly their precinct got changed, as what happened to Cary Harrison. In Ohio this was a big battle. Out-of-precinct votes were not being counted, even though a citizen voted. I don’t know how California is going to handle this. There’s no rules being set down. There’s no system being set down. It is an unholy mess. I want to talk to the secretary of state, Mr. Padilla, about this and find out what he’s doing with these hundreds of thousands of votes. I also want to ask my so-called fellow reporters at the AP how you can call an election and say 96% of the vote have been counted when 96% of the votes have not even been received by the voting officials.

DB: This is just the beginning of a new part of the election season, the run toward the presidency. We can expect all kinds of dirty tricks, all kinds of hurdles for our democracy to get over. Obviously, it’s an endangered species at this point – that’s what we’re seeing in California. How does this set the tone for what comes next?

Palast: One of the things I’m really concerned with is within the last presidential race 2.1 million people were shunted to these placebo provisional ballots. You saw a massive number yesterday. I think it’s going to be a couple hundred thousand in just California. This is dangerous stuff. You just asked about procedure and custody of these provisional ballots, that’s what I’m hoping people will be asking now – not the day after the election, as we’re doing in California.

What’s going to be the procedure for handling these ballots in states like Ohio? Swing states, where you have hostile, nasty, and frankly racist secretaries of state. Like Jon Husted of Ohio and Kris Kobach in Kansas, these are people whose names you don’t know, but they’re the people that are going to be counting the votes. They are ultra-right wing. They have a history of hostility to voters of color and setting up obstacles. It’s not looking very good as we go forward into November. And don’t count on the Democratic Party, which, as you just saw yesterday, gets its hand dirty in the same voter suppression tactics that the Republicans use. It’s a very bad thing when the Democratic Party pulls off these stunts, because they lose any moral right to complain about them when they’re used against them. So don’t count on the political parties, don’t count on the Democrats to save voters of color. It ain’t going to happen. They’ve never done it.



Dennis J Bernstein is the executive producer of Flashpoints, syndicated on Pacifica Radio, and is the recipient of a 2015 Pillar Award for his work as a journalist whistleblower. He is most recently the author of Special Ed: Voices from a Hidden Classroom.

Greg Palast has been called the “most important investigative reporter of our time – up there with Woodward and Bernstein” (The Guardian). Palast has broken front-page stories for BBC Television’s Newsnight, The Guardian, The Nation Magazine, Rolling Stone, and Harper’s Magazine. He is the author of the New York Times bestsellers Billionaires & Ballot Bandits, Armed Madhouse, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, and the highly acclaimed Vultures’ Picnic, named Book of the Year 2012 on BBC’s Newsnight Review. His books have been translated into two dozen languages. Palast's investigation and production team are currently finishing the final frames of his new film on the theft of the 2016 election: “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: A Tale of Billionaires and Ballot Bandits.”

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+79 # tswhiskers 2016-06-16 09:04
Thank you, Mr. Palast, for once again trying to inform American citizens about the con game that is the American system of voting. I can only hope at this point that MSNBC, specifically Rachel Maddow, and other more liberal on air media will be allowed to cover the farce that we call voting. I have assumed that print and TV journalists have been threatened with losing their jobs if they dare to try. For more reporting by Palast, go to www.gregpalast.com.
 
 
-78 # rocback 2016-06-16 10:28
Greg Palast has been debunked so many times on his tin foil hat theories, he is not worth reading anymore. Here is one of his BS pieces:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/12/566689/-
 
 
+16 # tingletlc 2016-06-16 11:06
2008 is "the latest"?!
 
 
-39 # rocback 2016-06-16 12:04
or this written by his own publication he used to write for:

"Why Greg Palast is Dangerous"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/26/339382/-
 
 
+52 # CL38 2016-06-16 12:27
Part II:

Palast is Patron of the Trinity College Philosophical Society, an honor previously held by Jonathan Swift and Oscar Wilde. His writings have won him the Financial Times David Thomas Prize.

"An American hero," said Martin Luther King III.

Greg Palast, says Noam Chomsky, "Upsets all the right people."

Palast won the George Orwell Courage in Journalism Award for his BBC documentary, Bush Family Fortunes, where he exposed George W. Bush dodging the Vietnam War draft.

What they're saying ...
“Vultures' Picnic is an eye-opening, heart-pumping, mind-blowing experience that should not, MUST not, be missed.” – Nomi Prins

"Greg Palast is one of my heroes. The last investigative reporter in America." – Robert F Kennedy Jr. – Rolling Stone

"[Billionaires & Ballot Bandits is] The Most Terrifying Book a Democrat Could Read" – Huffington Post

"Greg Palast is investigative journalism at its best. No one has exposed more truth about the Bush Cartel and lived to tell the story." – Baltimore Chronicle

“Great fun. Palast, detective style, provides … pieces of the secret puzzle.” – The New Yorker

"Can one reporter change the entire political discourse of the nation?" – The Chicago Reader

"The information is a hand grenade."- John Pilger, New Statesman
 
 
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+34 # CL38 2016-06-16 12:30
crockhack:

Here are the FACTS, 'lawyer 'crockhack!

Part 1:

Greg Palast has been called the "most important investigative reporter of our time – up there with "Woodward and Bernstein" (The Guardian). Palast has broken front-page stories for BBC Television Newsnight, The Guardian, Nation Magazine, Rolling Stone and Harper's Magazine.

Palast is the author of the New York Times bestsellers Billionaires & Ballot Bandits, Armed Madhouse , The Best Democracy Money Can Buy and the highly acclaimed Vultures' Picnic, named Book of the Year 2012 on BBC Newsnight Review.

His books have been translated into two dozen languages.

His brand new film of his documentary reports for BBC Newsnight and Democracy Now! is called Vultures and Vote Rustlers.

Palast is known for complex undercover investigations, spanning five continents, from the Arctic to the Amazon, from Caracas to California, using the skills he learned over two decades as a top investigator of corporate fraud.
 
 
-50 # rocback 2016-06-16 12:53
and I have been called "the most handsome man in America" but she had an alcohol level of .20 at the time.
 
 
+32 # Douglas Jack 2016-06-16 14:03
rocback, Here's video documentation.
Hillary Clinton's election fraud exposed. California landslide stolen from Bernie Sanders! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoGeDGHmwJU 9Jun’16

Results are out of the margin of error & canceled exit polls are a red flag. Most Bernie votes were not counted. Proof that voting machines can be flipped Harvey Wasserman on Electronic Voting Machines without verification interviewed by Democracy-Now Amy Goodman 23Feb’16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvF213popIA

Video Transcript: http://justicegazette.org/bernie-defrauded-in-ca.html
TrustVoteDotOrg Lawsuit 6Jun’16 Voting manipulation evidence Bob Fitrakis PhD JD, Cliff Arnebeck JD & Lori Grace, Institute for American Democracy at Sunrise Center, Corte Madera, CA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IAJ5fAm3Cs

CA POLL WORKERS BEING MISINFORMED. Full video of poll worker Ashley Beck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW0bfSsdRbY
Lee Camp & Bob Fitrakis /c Cliff Arnebeck Lawsuit May Prove Election Fraud 9Jun’16 This Lawsuit Might End Hillary's Run & Prove Election Fraud! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibK4de85IKw

Bev Harris, Andy Stephenson, Kathleen Wynne Hacking Democracy, Diebold Pres. Robert Urosevitch, Sequoia, ESS, http://www.blackboxvoting.org 16Feb’12, Dr. Avi Rubin Technical Director, Information Security Institute, John Hopkins University Feb’03, 1h22m , Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs-Jones (D.Ohio), Senator Barbara Boxer https://youtu.be/eFJeVsOy5Xo
 
 
+20 # lorenbliss 2016-06-16 15:56
Rockback may have just blown his cover; how would he know her alcohol level "at the time" unless he were the cop arresting her?

(Note that local cops are often seconded to the various secret police agencies for temporary under-cover assignments. Note also the allegedly "democratic" USian Empire has more federal secret police agencies -- I believe the current number is seven -- than Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union combined.)
 
 
+14 # Nominae 2016-06-16 17:37
Quoting rocback:
and I have been called "the most handsome man in America" but she had an alcohol level of .20 at the time.

Hey ! It was AT LEAST as true as the sh!t you spew about Hillary being the MOST POPULAR NATIONAL FIGURE IN TWENTY YEARS RUNNING, when the *vast MAJORITY of the electorate is simply REVOLTED by her !

That's why Hillary has to *HIRE whores like you to "go to bat for her", schmuck ! ;-D

The way you love NUMBERS, crocback, how about printing Hillary's ASTRONOMICAL NEGATIVE NUMBERS ?? Numbers THAT high have to be measured in LIGHT-YEARS ! ;-D
_
 
 
+11 # Nominae 2016-06-16 17:45
Quoting CL38:
Palast is known for complex undercover investigations, spanning five continents, from the Arctic to the Amazon, from Caracas to California, using the skills he learned over two decades as a top investigator of corporate fraud.

And, yet, compared with crockback who cannot even *SPELL, who has the vocabulary of a slow-witted sixth-grader, and who cannot reason as well as a huckster on a late night infomercial,
of course that damned GREG PALAST is just a "piker" ! ;-D

Hillary Hubris and Troll Ignorance know NO BOUNDS ! ;-D As the old saying goes: If brains were dynamite, crocback wouldn't have enough to blow his *nose ! ;-D

I don't blame a man for trying to pay the rent, but, at LEAST take up something for which you *ARE qualified crocback, if such a thing *exists for you ! I would have to think that working as a paid Troll is *already pretty much the BOTTOM of the barrel ! ;-D

But, in fact, at *your level of competence", crocback, Hillary should be *demanding a REFUND for the weak-kneed schlock *you are cranking out ! ;-D
_
 
 
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+12 # lfeuille 2016-06-16 19:23
dailykos?

It doesn't have much credibility around here.
 
 
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+15 # CL38 2016-06-16 12:33
see above for the facts, the truth, "lawyer".
 
 
+15 # CL38 2016-06-16 12:36
more 'lawyer' crockhack hackjobs on one of the most celebrated, award-winning investigative journalists.
 
 
+3 # MsAnnaNOLA 2016-06-17 17:19
RICO lawsuit to stop the election theft.

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2016/06/13/racketeering-lawsuit-exposing-nationwide-vote-rigging-in-dnc-primaries-could-derail-clinton/
 
 
+50 # Anonymot 2016-06-16 09:16
My understanding is that a lawsuit for a recount has been filed. Is that true or wishful thinking? If not, it should be done immediately. We condemn the Bush vote rigs and must do the same here - and in NY and anywhere else it's done.
 
 
-36 # rocback 2016-06-16 10:53
It is possible (though not certain) that the gap between Sanders and Clinton might narrow further as more votes were certified, but California's lengthy post-election process is neither fraudulent nor secretive. Mainstream news outlets and county officials frequently and regularly interact with concerned citizens, and invite them to observe the certification process.

http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-california-ballots/
 
 
+25 # CL38 2016-06-16 11:46
It isn't California's election process that's part of the fraud here, it's the DNC and Hillary campaign that's at fault. She's the ONLY one to benefit from vote suppression and tampering tactics to rig this election across the country.

Denying these facts, makes you nothing but a paid Hillary tool.
 
 
-33 # rocback 2016-06-16 12:05
The states are the ones responsible for vote counting and procedures.

She is no more responsible for this than she was for the Honduran coup.
 
 
+28 # Jim Rocket 2016-06-16 12:35
Oh oh...you're on very thin ice here, buddy. There's no way that coup wasn't Whitehouse approved. If Hilary was against it she sure got on the "for" train quickly and completely.

You're causing me to ask the question that I have to ask the Conservative Movement people. "Are you really that ignorant/ gullible or are you just plain lying?"

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/13/shes_baldly_lying_dana_frank_responds
 
 
+11 # Nominae 2016-06-16 18:06
Quoting Jim Rocket:
(to crockback)
You're causing me to ask the question that I have to ask the Conservative Movement people. "Are you really that ignorant/ gullible or are you just plain lying?"

*All of the ABOVE ! ;-D He's "just plain trollin'" on Hillary's "Correct The Record" dime, which involves *everything that
you mentioned ! ;-D
_
 
 
+5 # Darthvadersmom 2016-06-17 06:36
"Change the Record" is more like it.
 
 
+24 # CL38 2016-06-16 12:40
sure, that's why she's NEVER ONCE commented on the vote tampering/suppr ession that's taking place all across the country .... and is ALWAYS perfectly willing to declare herself the winner BEFORE the vote counts are completed ...and despite the evidence of vote tampering that ONLY SHE BENEFITS FROM.
 
 
-21 # lights 2016-06-16 13:28
CL38 deceives by saying: "sure, that's why she's NEVER ONCE commented on the vote tampering/suppr ession that's taking place all across the country..."

"Clinton strenuously criticized that decision and sued Arizona over the polling place closures, a lawsuit the Sanders campaign joined. Latino voters in Maricopa County, who were most affected by the long lines, strongly supported Clinton and she won the state overall by 15 points. Why would she disenfranchise her own supporters?" Ari Berman, THE NATION

http://www.thenation.com/article/the-democratic-primary-wasnt-rigged/
 
 
+16 # Douglas Jack 2016-06-16 14:47
Lights, Ari Berman in his Nation undocumented opinion-piece 4 paragraphs, sets up 'strawman', which show a deep ignorance of the complete violation of democratic processes in USA's unverifiable computerized voting, unverifiable party registration process, unverifiable voter-status registration process.

Berman quotes gracious Bernie out of context, when Bernie was trying after the NY primary, as all of us, to figure out how results were being secretly manipulated by planted compromised election-staff, computer-memory -cards. delisting-regis tration-hijinks & millions of provisional ballots being rejected without bipartisan oversight.

Details / documentation of these worldwide electoral standards & US complete violation are found in video links above in my reply 2016-06-16 14:03 to rocback.

The USA can not be considered by any international standards as a Democratic Nation, but wins accolades as #1 colonial 'exogenous' (Latin 'other-generate d') exploitive, extractive parasitic pariah danger to world peace. With over 1000 military bases worldwide as well as larger paramilitary forces around its foreign resource extraction industry, half of its national government budget devoted to war.

To understand USA's colonial obsession, one has to review its genocide of 1st Nations over 100s of years as part of an international European oligarch grab for world power & resources, which has left the USA & whole world in poverty on the edge of destruction. www.indigenecommunity.info
 
 
+6 # calltoaccount 2016-06-16 13:09
Ha!
 
 
+13 # Nominae 2016-06-16 18:03
Quoting rocback:
The states are the ones responsible for vote counting and procedures.

She is no more responsible for this than she was for the Honduran coup.

And the Earth Is *FLAT, Water Runs *UPHILL, and Eggs are *INDESTRUCTIBLE !

You may note, crocback, that just *SAYIN' shit does *NOT magically make it come TRUE ! ;-D
_
 
 
+15 # CL38 2016-06-16 12:38
your down vote on my authenticated posts above, just another crockhack attempt to bully people who post truth.
 
 
+3 # kundrol 2016-06-17 20:09
Anonymot:The link provided by MsAnna tells all about the lawsuit being filed in Ohio. It's about election fraud though I believe, not a recount, but that may also be included.
 
 
+55 # Buddha 2016-06-16 09:35
Why should we be surprised that the Democratic Party is pulling these same stunts where and when they can? The Democratic Party has become just as corrupt in the service of their Oligarchic Donor Class as the GOP, they are opposite sides of the same coin. Both operate to remove any threat to the status quo that enriches that Donor Class.
 
 
-38 # rocback 2016-06-16 10:31
the Daily Kos questioned Palast's research methods in a post entitled On Why Greg Palast is Dangerous: "He often makes fantastic claims based on his 'Sam Spade' detective work", drational wrote, "and then (along with his many devotees) complains when Mainstream media in this country do not report his stories. Legitimate journalists have a responsibility not to mislead people."[23]
 
 
+33 # tigerlillie 2016-06-16 10:52
And the Daily Kos is, of course, an unimpeachable source. The founder, Markos, is a hothead who regularly publishes editorial diatribes calling people who do not blindly support Hillary Clinton assholes and other lovely sorts of profanity. That is all these "diaries" are; editorials. The Daily Kos has become a Democratic party mainstream sledge hammer. It is definitely where you belong, rocback.
 
 
-26 # lights 2016-06-16 11:09
Well then. Check out AlterNet or the NATION:

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/why-california-still-hasnt-processed-over-two-million-ballots-primaries-bernie

Or this tigerlillie - you might value this piece - as you seem relatively balanced except for your recent out of touch "sacrastic" Hillary comment about hate and the massacre of lesbian, gay, bi-sexual and transgender human beings in Orlando!

NATION headline: The Democratic Primary wasn't rigged.

http://www.thenation.com/article/the-democratic-primary-wasnt-rigged/
 
 
+24 # CL38 2016-06-16 11:50
I've read this piece. It doesn't support your denial of voter fraud and rigging.
 
 
-22 # rocback 2016-06-16 12:42
Yes it does. You need to read it again. Here is just a sample:

While many hardcore Sanders supporters—such as National Nurses United executive director Rose Ann Demoro—are not giving up, there are reasons why the vote count is taking several weeks to complete, just as the slight shift in results in Sanders’ direction does not look to be sizable enough to change the primary’s outcome.

“There’s maybe been a 1 percent gain for Sanders between election night and now,” said Alameda County Registrar of Voters Tim Dupuis.

The Bay Area county where Oakland is located is a good illustration of these two dynamics: the slow count and the slight but insufficient shift toward Sanders.
 
 
-17 # lights 2016-06-16 13:22
Okay, CL38 here is PLENTY of support, from THE NATION and they endorsed Bernie Sanders. There are even quotes in this article (at the very top) from Bernie Sanders himself who said "...I wouldn't call it rigged."

http://www.thenation.com/article/the-democratic-primary-wasnt-rigged/
 
 
+7 # lfeuille 2016-06-16 19:39
This is why I won't renew my subscription. The Nation isn't what it used to be.
 
 
+6 # desertprogressive 2016-06-16 19:45
Daily KOS and The Nation have become tools of the establishment!
 
 
-10 # lights 2016-06-16 21:29
DesertProgressi ve & Ifeuille:

Then exactly why would The Nation and most of their writers endorse Bernie Sanders?

Many of you will say anything.
 
 
+6 # CL38 2016-06-17 00:47
Greg Palast weighs in on the CA primary:

http://www.gregpalast.com/california-stolen-sanders-right-nowspecial-bulletin-greg-palast/

How California is being stolen
from Sanders right now

Tuesday, June 7, 2016
Special bulletin from Greg Palast

It's not some grand conspiracy, but it's grand theft nonetheless. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ voters will lose their ballots, their rights, by the tens of thousands.
 
 
-30 # rocback 2016-06-16 12:07
Read Greg Palast piece on "Peak Oil". His claim had so many holes, it is now the picture you see in Websters under "swiss cheese".
 
 
+17 # Radscal 2016-06-16 16:39
And don't forget that Markos Moulitsas Zúniga was in "training" for CIA from 2001 to 2004, at which point he embedded in the Howard Dean Campaign. And we all know how well that turned out.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Markos_Moulitsas_Zúniga

In this interview, "Kos" calls CIA "a very liberal institution."

http://kos-cia-transcript.blogspot.com/2010/05/markos-c-alberto-moulitsas-zunigas-cia.html
 
 
+3 # RnR 2016-06-18 05:44
I can't stand Daily Kos, I've unsubscribed from the uninvited lists and can't get my email off. They're like leaches (dead giveaway as to the "intelligence community" links *s*)
 
 
+9 # Nominae 2016-06-16 18:21
Quoting tigerlillie:
The Daily Kos has become a Democratic party mainstream sledge hammer. It is definitely where you belong, rocback.

Even a rag like the Kos requires that its contributors be able to *SPELL. crocback could *never make the cut on *THAT criteria *alone ! ;-D
_
 
 
+39 # grandlakeguy 2016-06-16 11:04
The Daily Kos (really the Daily Clinton) thinks that Greg Palast is dangerous because he is working to expose the theft and manipulation of elections that has long been the hallmark of the Republicans but has now,as well, been adopted by the Republican infiltrated Democratic party!
Yes! Honest and fair elections would certainly be dangerous to Hillary Clinton!

Keep up the good work Greg!
 
 
+24 # CL38 2016-06-16 11:49
According to you, it's always someone else's fault --they're lying when they point out all the election fraud tactics used by the DNC, MSM and Clinton's campaign.

Clinton rigged this election. She's the only candidate that benefits from the fraud used to steal votes.
 
 
-24 # rocback 2016-06-16 12:09
Actually ,it's always Hillary's fault even though she had nothing to do with it.

Next thing, will be the charge that she failed to rewind her video tape in 1995.
 
 
+10 # Nominae 2016-06-16 18:42
Quoting rocback:
Actually ,it's always Hillary's fault even though she had nothing to do with it...Next thing, will be the charge that she failed to rewind her video tape in 1995.

Oh, My PRECIOUS ! You are going to just plumb *TUCKER your little self OUT using that *scintillating rapier *WIT !!

"Snark is the idiot's substitute for wit"
~ Aaron Sorkin, "Newsroom"

THIS, My Precious is *PRECISELY HOW WE KNOW that you cannot be so much as a paralegal, much *less a lawyer ! ;-D

This freakin' "REASONING" on a par with the Mean Girl's Table at a Middle School Lunchroom is *REALLY *ALL you've GOT ! ;-D

Actual barristers who make a *LIVING at the Law don't demean themselves with pissy, sniveling shit like that in lieu of logic - and they do *NOT have the time to spend *their days (except Sunday) spewing bilge as a paid Internet *TROLL, Slick !

Do you realize that you are a freakin' TEMP ? Hillary will not need to *PAY PEOPLE to make her seem like an actual person with a pulse in just a VERY few months ! Then you and your ilk are back to paying the rent by filling out online *product questionnaires again ! ;-D

BTW, tell David Brock to Bite You ! ;-D
_
 
 
+6 # Nominae 2016-06-16 18:19
Quoting rocback:
the Daily Kos questioned....

Hey, crocback, I see you quoting the Daily Kos, which can *only mean that the "Correct The Record" news kid has *yet to read you the National Enquirer today ! ;-D You are a scream - all sauce and no *reliable source, Slick ! ;-D
_
 
 
-30 # lights 2016-06-16 11:06
"Bernie or bust" EXTREMISTS AND VOTING
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/why-california-still-hasnt-processed-over-two-million-ballots-primaries-bernie

Maybe better yet with a quote from Bernie Sanders "....I wouldn't say rigged."
http://www.thenation.com/article/the-democratic-primary-wasnt-rigged/
 
 
+7 # Nominae 2016-06-16 18:53
Quoting lights:
"Bernie or bust" EXTREMISTS AND VOTING ...Maybe better yet with a quote from Bernie Sanders "....I wouldn't say rigged."

Sparky, shame on you. crocback now has *you simply "cutting and pasting" the same old shit like *HE does ! You are wearing *this weak-kneed post OUT !

What happened to your *OWN ...uh,..."uniqu e" and *inimitable perspective ? ;-D
_
 
 
-26 # lights 2016-06-16 11:22
Exactly what proof do you have that this has anything to do with the Democratic Party? Yet, somehow in the name of Buddha you throw out such weak speculations?!

Here's some reality for you about PROCESS!
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/why-california-still-hasnt-processed-over-two-million-ballots-primaries-bernie

OR

"The Democratic Primary wasn't rigged"
http://www.thenation.com/article/the-democratic-primary-wasnt-rigged/
 
 
+16 # CL38 2016-06-16 11:51
Liar!
___________________________
I'm absolutely devastated. Two negative down-votes by the likes of crockhack and lights!
 
 
+14 # Radscal 2016-06-16 16:42
Here's a few dozen examples of evidence of election fraud.

https://electionfraud2016.wordpress.com
 
 
+9 # Nominae 2016-06-16 18:59
Quoting lights:
Exactly what proof do you have that this has anything to do with the Democratic Party?

The rivers and crops are drying out ....

"Exactly what PROOF do you have that this has ANYTHING to do with THE SUN ?"

Sparky, you'd better leave the "heavy lifting" to crocback ! ;-D
_
 
 
-10 # lights 2016-06-16 21:40
Nominae: I guess you didn't do too much heavy lifting, to say the least, at the last institution, Nominae. They are still suffering.
 
 
+30 # nice2bgreat 2016-06-16 09:39
.
KPFK Radio, referred to here, is in dire economic straits, and is in real jeopardy of going defunct.

Much like RSN, KPFK is 100% listener supported and greatly needs funding donations.

Without KPFK, it will be a great loss to progressivism.
.
 
 
+3 # Douglas Jack 2016-06-16 11:12
nice2begreat, RE: "greatly needs funding donations." I agree in the short run, we need to support the information services upon which we rely. However there's a larger undiscussed community economic context to our perpetual funding shortfall.

'Indigenous' (Latin 'self-generatin g') 'community' (L 'com' = 'together' + 'munus' = 'gift-or-servic e') cultural approaches to funding, which the left media & other 'causes' avoid discussion of, can help us resolve funding & livelihood for everyone. In consequence, people are ill-informed for cultural remedies for our own means & capacities. We're left dependent upon centralized hierarchal oligarchy. We treat each 'cause' fragmented from the economy which 'causes' each deleterious effect. Every 'cause' competes for the same dollar-crumbs falling from the oligarch trickle-down exploitive commercial & industrial 'economy' (Greek 'oikos' = 'home' + 'namein' = 'care-&-nurture '). We know how to complain but avoid mutual-aid collaboration.

MEDIUM IS THE MESSAGE
The missing 'fractal' ('part-contains -the-whole') link in 'economy' is the 100 person collective intergeneration al multihome dwelling complex economy in which 70% of the world's population live. All humanity's indigenous ancestors planned society around the 100 person ~ 32 dwelling unit multihome (Longhouse/apar tment, Pueblo/townhous e & Kanata/village) . Can media-multihome teams help get this discussion going? https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/relational-economy
 
 
-6 # Patriot 2016-06-16 14:23
Why not try plain English, DJ? We can consult our dictionaries if we feel the need. :)
 
 
+6 # Douglas Jack 2016-06-16 15:20
Patriot, Words frequently have diverse meaning to different people, so when I use key words, etymologies are given for clarity. I want people to be clear about my meaning & 100s of readers over years have complimented me for being clear.

The 77 sections of www.indigenecommunity.info which I edit, have been consulted 16975 times by 13,301 different people from 152 countries worldwide reading 30,775 pages in 105 language variations worldwide.

Etymologies are particularly important because often common colonial usage of words can be completely at odds with their original meanings. The violence & military hierarchy of colonialism perverts word meanings as well as our relationships. George Orwell describes this process of word contradiction, well in Newspeak described in his Magnum opus, 1984.

Etymologies as well tell us about inner syllabic relational components in words, which guide us as to their social & economic purpose. As a completely bilingual person with some familiarity & interest with other languages, I'm intrigued by shared & divergent meanings, connected by their word histories.

North America used American Indian Hand Talk across great regions close to the Graphic symbols of Mexico, MIssissippi Mound Cities, west & east coast, not understood by Europeans or church who in about 1720 - 50 began burning the great libraries of Mexico & String Shell records such as Wampum.
https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/5-collaborative-language
 
 
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+1 # Nominae 2016-06-16 19:19
Quoting Nominae:
[quote name="Patriot"]Why not try plain English, DJ? We can consult our dictionaries if we feel the need. :)

Absolutely AGREE ! I *REALLY respect Douglas Jack's entries
now that I have finally *FORCED myself to *READ them !

To a person who *IS educated and well spoken, DJs *constant insult to one's intelligence in his assumption that he NEEDS to *define STANDARD FREAKIN' ENGLISH to the reader every *THIRD WORD is not only beyond arrogant on DJs part, but also *beyond BORING to anyone *NOT in need of his over-solicitous instruction.

This is a TRUE shame, bcuz, now that I have, as I say, *FORCED myself to read DJ *anyway, it turns out that Douglas Jack is one of *THE most *VALUABLE contributors on the Q.

I merely wonder how many *MORE readers just skip over him as I did previously, simply because they were, as even I *AM still, put off by being *constantly condescended to as if I were an illiterate Third Grader !

Relinquish the need to *BE the dictionary, Douglas Jack, and perhaps develop your "ear" for "Reading a Room" as the comics say.

*SOME of us actually *CAN keep up with your *excellent commentary *without the generous "overkill" in the definitions ! ;-D

As Patriot points out, if you "scare me" too badly with your verbiage, I *DO actually know how to *USE a dictionary myself.

Perhaps you have been writing for Millennials all this time ?! ;-D
_
 
 
+4 # Douglas Jack 2016-06-17 04:33
Nominae, Thanks for your passionate feedback, even SHOUTing, helps me understand how my writing style is received by those like yourself, whose writing & research, I greatly appreciate. I feel constantly enriched by RSN's commenters. Like you I feel, its a mixed bag between personalities, new & old folks here about how writing, style & research is received. No insult is meant through use of etymologies. I wish more folks would plumb those key words, which specify their own meaning. I'm as well affected by my own prejudices to writing style, so as to speed read over or ignore SHOUTing & other such styles.

In the meantime, its a reality-check to realize Bernie isn't taking his role in change beyond the Democratic Party. In the end it really is all about 'us' how we are going to reorganize / re-indigenize, integrate our lifestyles, relations & this colonial society. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/indigenous-circle-of-life
 
 
+2 # nice2bgreat 2016-06-18 00:01
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It just goes to show you.

You can please some of the mo-fuckas some of the time, some of the mo-fuckas all of the time, but you cannot please all of the mo-fuckas all of the time.

You just have to accept that writings and opinions are not meant for everyone; and in trying to please everyone, writing/communi cating is both less effective and diminished.
.
 
 
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+37 # grandlakeguy 2016-06-16 10:04
Thanks again Greg, It is a sad commentary on the integrity of candidate Clinton that she has absolutely no ethical problem declaring herself as the presumptive nominee by benefiting from the total corruption of our election process.
 
 
-34 # lights 2016-06-16 11:13
That's it grandlakeguy. Continue to DRIVE away anyone from RSN with your often hateful bullying - anyone who does not agree with your self-serving, limited views.
 
 
+23 # grandlakeguy 2016-06-16 11:47
Let me ask you this question lights:

If the missing (and unlawfully deleted) emails get published by Wikileaks or someone else and it is clear that HRC is complicit in election fraud, will you still support her?
 
 
-28 # rocback 2016-06-16 12:11
I would be happy to agree with that with actual evidence. Let us know when you can find a moron like Palast to make that up.
 
 
+7 # Nominae 2016-06-16 19:38
Quoting rocback:
I would be happy to agree with that with actual evidence. Let us know when you can find a moron like Palast to make that up.

Again, a TROLL quote that says *MUCH more about the psyche of the "quipper" than about the subject *of the sandbox slander ! ;-D

My Precious, you don't *GET TO talk to, OR *about the grownups like that without exposing your *OWN prepubescent level of arrested development ! ;-D You Silly Goose ! ;-D
_
 
 
+7 # CL38 2016-06-16 22:14
grandlakeguy,

no question! of course he will, then he'll claim the release of new information is nothing more than 'false reports'.
 
 
+18 # CL38 2016-06-16 11:56
it's you, crockhack, barbara and lights who are the hateful bullies and liars on this site whose false claim that others who disagree with your denials of truth are 'self-serving' with limited views.

cut the crap. stop shilling for a very deceitful Clinton whose motto is, "It's my turn and I'll 'win' by ANY means possible....whe ther voters like it or not".

VOTERS ARE justifiably FURIOUS that Clinton's corrupt bank, wall street, fossil fuel, 1% support' is engaged in STEALING THIS ELECTION ....and with it, corrupting Democracy, selling it to the highest bidders.

You get no RESPECT from THIS progressive reader for SHILLING for a woman who's somehow managed to accumulate $45 million from 'public service' by doing the bidding of corporations, banks, wall street, fossil fuels, the 1% and taken how much? through the 'clinton foundation' from foreign nations in exchange for 'influence'.
 
 
-23 # rocback 2016-06-16 12:14
Bullies are people who gang up on others who disagree with you. The evidence on this website by Sanders supporters fit that to a tee.

Your arrogance and presumptuousnes s of claiming to speak for everyone on RSN and your constant use of vulgarity says more about YOU than us.
 
 
+16 # CL38 2016-06-16 12:51
I always speak for myself. I know from posting here for a long time, how other consistent posters think, I sometimes include their them in my thoughts and views, as well. That's never meant to assume to speak 'in their place'', but on behalf of others who share progressive views far more than you do..

Speaking the truth when it challenges the lies, denial and propaganda you post on behalf of a very corrupt Clinton, IS NOT arrogance and presumptuousnes s. That's how I would describe YOU when you completely ignore, dismiss and deny her absolute willingness to declare herself the 'winner, EVEN BEFORE MILLIONS OF votes have been counted--despit e unresolved, unaddressed discrepancies of lost ballots, changes in a voter's party classification that were never made by the voter, etc..

Those discrepancies never register with you, me thinks, because you don't care.
 
 
+11 # djnova50 2016-06-16 13:52
Actually, a bully is one who is blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates people who are smaller or weaker. The person being bullied tends not to disagree or argue with the bully. Many times the person being bullied will tend to agree because he is fearful that if if he disagrees with the bully, that he could suffer harm.
 
 
+4 # Patriot 2016-06-16 14:26
It's an accurate definition, but no one here is "smaller" or "weaker"; we just disagree, and sometimes forget to disagree with the message WITHOUT attacking the messenger. Ahem!
 
 
+13 # Radscal 2016-06-16 16:48
Merriam-Webster Definition of "Bully:"

a : a blustering browbeating person; especially : one habitually cruel to others who are weaker

b : pimp

c : a hired ruffian

What you defined is "gang stalking," and it's interesting you should bring that up.
 
 
+5 # Nominae 2016-06-16 19:47
Quoting rocback:
Bullies are people who gang up on others who disagree with you.

ZOWWIIIEEEEE ! Now *THAT explains a *LOT, My Precious ! You have never *MET A *REAL BULLY, have you cupcake ? A *REAL bully will kick your duplicitous ass just because you are *THERE, fool ! ;-D

So you are only embarrassing *yourself with your sniveling little Caspar Milquetoast definition above.

What a *WIMP ! But then, who *EXPECTS a TROLL to have
*any degree of self respect !
;-D
_
 
 
+4 # CL38 2016-06-17 00:35
Vulgarity??

Vulgarity is characterized by ignorance, i.e. posting misleading opinion, rather than facts, and using the MSM and corporate controlled media to bolster your claim.
 
 
-16 # lights 2016-06-16 13:45
CL38: "FALSE CLAIMS" ??????

Ari Berman, THE NATION
"The Democratic Primary wasn't rigged."

http://www.thenation.com/article/the-democratic-primary-wasnt-rigged/

With quotes from other highly credible sources, INCLUDING Bernie Sanders saying he would not call it "rigged."
 
 
+7 # CL38 2016-06-17 00:28
*Greg Palast weighs in on the CA primary:

http://www.gregpalast.com/california-stolen-sanders-right-nowspecial-bulletin-greg-palast/

&How California is being stolen
from Sanders right now

Tuesday, June 7, 2016
Special bulletin from Greg Palast

It's not some grand conspiracy, but it's grand theft nonetheless. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ voters will lose their ballots, their rights, by the tens of thousands.
 
 
+5 # grandlakeguy 2016-06-17 13:47
THE NATION has denied the well documented existence of election theft consistently since 2000.
You have to ask the question:
"Who REALLY owns the Nation?"

That is why I cancelled my subscription many years ago!
 
 
+12 # kundrol 2016-06-16 17:10
Lights: I doubt grandlake has driven anyone away. He expresses leftist views, and that's what this website is about. If this offends you, then you could probably find somewhere else more agreeable to your point of view for reading news articles. I personally like grandlake's posts. I do find the food fights counterproducti ve though. So rather than hang out here picking fights, why not go somewhere that doesn't unlike everything you have to say?
 
 
+10 # karenvista 2016-06-16 20:24
Quoting kundrol:
Lights: I doubt grandlake has driven anyone away. He expresses leftist views, and that's what this website is about. If this offends you, then you could probably find somewhere else more agreeable to your point of view for reading news articles. I personally like grandlake's posts. I do find the food fights counterproductive though. So rather than hang out here picking fights, why not go somewhere that doesn't unlike everything you have to say?


Because "the three Amigos" are paid to post on sites where they disrupt discussions that are anti-Hillary.

Also because they can only claim to be "bullied" on sites where they propose absurd memes that are disputed by the majority of the contributors. That creates their "minority" status which allows them to claim that they are being "bullied" and abused while they are the actual abusers and "bullies."

They don't want to miss their paydays which are calculated by how many responses they get.
 
 
+8 # CL38 2016-06-16 22:19
insightful points, Karen...
 
 
0 # Nominae 2016-06-16 19:34
Quoting lights:
That's it grandlakeguy. Continue to DRIVE away anyone from RSN with your often hateful bullying - anyone who does not agree with your self-serving, limited views.

Sparky, Sparky ! I see a *lot of name calling, but NO ACTUAL *SUBSTANCE AT ALL !
Do you love this site so much merely as a "safe" way to wreak revenge upon all of the myriad bullies you encountered in your youth?

Bcuz your obvious obsession with oppressors, bullies, "doo-doo heads" and "bad persons" says *VOLUMES more about you than it does about the targets of your bile and venom safely expressed on a faceless Internet Q hiding behind a pseudonym.

You really have *nothing to say about politics, except to use it as a FOIL with which to Tilt Against your imaginary bullies.

Maybe Troll Psycho Phixated can gift you with a couple of Sessions to take a look at that deep-seated obsession with Shadow People !

Cheers !
_
 
 
-9 # lights 2016-06-16 21:45
Nominae: Never been a bully at a Board table like some people I've heard.
 
 
-28 # PsychePhixer 2016-06-16 10:24
Clearly, if the result of the California primary had been "called" for Bernie with the clear majority of ballots counted being for Hillary Clinton, Bernie would not be asking for the mail-in ballots to be counted. Be honest people, keep it 100. : )
 
 
+24 # Ken Halt 2016-06-16 10:32
PP: You don't know what Bernie, who has great respect for the democratic process, would do, so stop projecting your own inclination and certainly the DNC methods onto Bernie. Tawdry cheap shot that has no validity.
 
 
+4 # Nominae 2016-06-16 19:55
Quoting Ken Halt:
Tawdry cheap shot that has no validity.

Indeed so, Ken, but Psycho Phixated is a fellow Troll to crocback, and therefore, *LIKE crocback, has *ZERO interest in "validity" ! ;-D

Cheers !
 
 
+18 # grandlakeguy 2016-06-16 14:44
Bernie is probably the most honest elected representative we have ever seen in our lifetimes. he would NEVER tolerate a "victory" obtained through fraud.

Conversely Hillary Clinton is clearly the most devious and dishonest politician I have ever seen in my life, She is a despicable serial liar whose positions change instantly depending on what she is going after, be it votes from the people or money from her corporate masters.

She is the anti-progressiv e!
 
 
+7 # lorenbliss 2016-06-16 19:37
"(Hillary) is the anti-progressive."

Indeed.

In which context note the AFL/CIO's instantaneous endorsement of this notoriously anti-union candidate, which proves beyond a scintilla of doubt the ruinous extent to which the USian Labor Movement has been reduced to the Wall Street equivalent of a company union. (See the astonishing Big Lies of historical revisionism at http://www.thestand.org/2016/06/afl-cio-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president-of-the-united-states/?link_id=1&can_id=e953ffcd9a262f9973767652017b5b42&source=email-were-with-her-trumkas-coming-republican-raise-blockers&)

Disclosure: I retain my National Writers Union membership not because I still believe in the USian union movement, which has proven itself the biggest betrayer of the Working Class in our species' history, but because the union (very occasionally) still provides useful services.

Which reminds me: someone who has the time, focus and research skill to sift through Barry Goldwater's "Nuke Moscow" diatribe -- actual title "The Conscience of a Conservative" -- would discover Hillary's original catechism. Its careful study and comparison with the stated intentions of Hillary's present, euphemism beshrouded positions would reveal she is a latter-day Goldwater in Democrat/female disguise -- that given her embrace of policies that will lead directly to World War Three, she is intent on providing the final "Nuke Moscow" provocations that will inevitably murder our species and our planet.
 
 
+15 # Henry 2016-06-16 15:10
Quoting PsychePhixer:
Clearly, if the result of the California primary had been "called" for Bernie with the clear majority of ballots counted being for Hillary Clinton, Bernie would not be asking for the mail-in ballots to be counted. Be honest people, keep it 100. : )


It's standard practice to count mail-in and provisional ballots, not "something special" that Bernie is asking for.
 
 
+12 # karenvista 2016-06-16 20:37
Quoting PsychePhixer:
Clearly, if the result of the California primary had been "called" for Bernie with the clear majority of ballots counted being for Hillary Clinton, Bernie would not be asking for the mail-in ballots to be counted. Be honest people, keep it 100. : )



The candidate who drew more than 200,000 to his California rallies would be the more logical winner than the candidate who usually couldn't even get 100 people to turn out. I even watched one of her events where she had aboout a dozen people show up.

You can't convince anybody that people will wait in the hot sun for 6 or 8 hours to get in to hear Bernie and then be too lazy to vote. Does Not Compute!

The election is called when the votes are counted. All votes must be honestly counted.
 
 
+8 # karenvista 2016-06-16 20:50
Quoting lorenbliss:
"(Hillary) is the anti-progressive."

The stated policies of Hillary's present, euphemism beshrouded positions would reveal she is a latter-day Goldwater in Democrat disguise...that will lead directly to World War Three, she is intent on providing the final "Nuke Moscow" provocations that will inevitably murder our species and our planet.


Glad you brought up the distinct possibility of eminent nuclear war with Russia if Hillary is elected while we are all being distracted by a very suspect massacre in Florida which has just happened to occur at the same time that we are running a massive NATO maneuver on their borders and have added even more troops today. This is direct contravention to GHW Bush's promise to Gorbachev

The election should be called only after all the votes are counted. And all votes must be honestly counted! It should not be called the day before the final primaries.

Thanks AP! You've earned your place in infamy
 
 
+26 # grandlakeguy 2016-06-16 10:25
A commercial message:
For all of us who appreciate RSN for both the news it provides as well as the commentary options I urge you to support them financially.
I give a monthly donation on my credit card and never have to think about it.
If only a fraction of readers set up a monthly donation of only $1 they would be financially secure.
What do you pay for a newspaper today that really has no news? Or a cup of coffee?
Please support these guys!
 
 
+11 # jimmyjames 2016-06-16 10:54
I wrote RSN and suggested giving a notation next to our names indicating whether or not we were paid subscribers (a star perhaps?). I also give a monthly donation and have done so for years. Peer pressure may do more for donations than periodic email requests. This may also help identify and clear out some trolls who have plagued us for months.
 
 
-27 # lights 2016-06-16 11:18
FORGIVEN FOR YOUR IGNORANCE!

JIMMYJAMES: And maybe you could continue the Scarlet "A" patch for women.

RENEW the patch that identified Jews and homosexuals during the holocaust.

A new Muslim patch?

The RSN ELDERLY who cannot often even AFFORD to buy food, let alone contribute to anyone or cause because they often cannot even find a way to contribute to themselves!

A patch for single mothers with children living in poverty but want to participate?

A patch for low income disabled and VETS?

I apologize for ALL those potential patches I might have missed that JimmyJames wants to SHAME!

Some principles you have.... all talk and no walk.
 
 
+9 # CL38 2016-06-16 12:00
you are such a ridiculous joke.
 
 
-19 # rocback 2016-06-16 12:15
Nailed him. Great job, Lights!
 
 
+17 # jimmyjames 2016-06-16 12:46
*lights* FYI, I am a veteran, I am disabled, I am a senior citizen, and I live on social security. I donate $10/month because I believe in honest news and discussion. You just come to RSN to slander and criticize others. How much have you donated to RSN this year?
 
 
-20 # lights 2016-06-16 13:08
How much ANYONE donates is none of your business. And that IS exactly the point!

You only want to IDENTIFY donors because you think it will SHAME them into leaving or shutting up! Yet you call yourself a Democrat or do you? I'm not sure...

You said: "I wrote RSN and suggested giving a notation next to our names indicating whether or not we were paid subscribers (a star perhaps?). This (method) may also help identify and clear out some trolls who have plagued us for months.

I do sincerely thank you for your service, BTW!
 
 
+9 # Henry 2016-06-16 15:12
Quoting lights:

I do sincerely thank you for your service, BTW!


I don't. It was voluntary ... and these "obligatory" thank yous are a bit maudlin, in my book.
 
 
-12 # lights 2016-06-16 17:24
Okay. Point well taken, Henry. Still. We need volunteers for our military. Or, it would mean a draft.
 
 
+7 # Nominae 2016-06-16 20:21
Quoting Henry:
Quoting lights:

I do sincerely thank you for your service, BTW!


I don't. It was voluntary ...

Those knee-jerk and P.C. "thanks" are horseshit *any way you look at them. It is way to assuage the guilt of those who did NOT fight, and it means *LESS THAN NOTHING to the Vet who DID.

I enlisted in 1967 when we *STILL had an *ACTIVE DRAFT. The morons who "thank me" are met with the reply: "Don't thank ME, thank the guns and the prisons of the United States !"

We *DID have a "choice" back then, yes indeed we DID ! You could either "choose" *Four years in the Military, or *TEN YEARS in the Federal Prison in Leavenworth, Kansas. Quick ! Make up your MIND ! ;-D

There were likewise no "Draft Numbers" at that time. The only "number" that mattered to The Draft was "18" ! As in, years of *age.

So, with Viet Nam, *many if not MOST soldiers were there because they *HAD to be.

Later *many if not MOST soldiers are there for the ECONOMIC and EDUCATIONAL BENIES. You don't have to THANK THEM for *that.

In addition, no matter *what the soldier has been TOLD, s/he is simply fighting for the Giant Corporations, not for *YOU !

So, "Raytheon" thanks you ?! ;-D

When you meet a Vet, how about you just shut the hell up and treat him or her like a NORMAL PERSON, not a "quilt sop" for your OWN conscience, or to demonstrate the fact that you are prone to shooting off your mouth *BEFORE engaging your brain ?! ;-D

Cheers !
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+7 # djnova50 2016-06-16 14:03
One of the few times which I do agree with you, lights.

Shaming somebody because he or she does not or can not afford to donate, is a type of bullying or abuse. Whether a reader donates or not donates is really none of anybody's business. A donation is and should be between the reader and RSN.

If RSN started doing what jimmyjames suggests, then all of the readers would know who was paying and who was not paying. It doesn't matter why somebody is not paying.

Believe me that If I could afford to donate $10/month so that I could use PayPal, I would.
 
 
+10 # Patriot 2016-06-16 14:49
Identifying and acknowledging contributors would not be shaming anyone. However, Marc Ash, here and as head of Truthout, always had had an "everyone into the pool" philosophy, never barring anyone who wanted to read and comment, whether they contributed or not.

So, maybe fund-raising sort of falls to US, those who read and write, and especially those who contribute.

Ergo: Please chip in, folks. It doesn't need to be a huge amount, just a steady amount. If all 45,000 or so readers tossed in just $5, RSN would be in CLOVER!!
 
 
0 # Nominae 2016-06-16 20:08
Quoting lights:
RENEW the patch that identified Jews and homosexuals during the holocaust.

A patch for low income disabled and VETS?

Sparky, even *YOU must know that this screed is some BARGAIN BASEMENT OVERREACTION ! No one has ever *accurately accused you of being any kind of a "strategist" (which is *why that vapid crocback is applauding your rant), but think about it, Slick. Once you go "full Hitler", you have just *SHOT YER WAD ! Where are you going to take it from there ?

You *DO have some valid points in there, Sparky, but inability to resist the urge to WAX DRAMATIC buried them ALL !

I *AM a low income disabled Viet Nam Vet Sparky, and I am not looking for a handout OR to be defended by screechers like you !

I know that you are not a paid troll, Sparky, but that slimy crockback is *USING you and hapless Barbara K like he was a payday loan shark ! :-D

You fear bullies and "bad people" *SO MUCH that you are LITERALLY and magnetically drawing them *TO YOU.

Think about it, Sparky ! ;-D
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+8 # karenvista 2016-06-16 21:29
You "Three Amigos" could contribute through yor "Corrupt the Record" checks and be among the monthly contributors like those of us in much more straitened circumstances.

It is your workplace. after all.

Just a suggestion
 
 
-27 # lights 2016-06-16 11:01
grandlakeguy:

Even if you contribute a lot personally, it doesn't make up for the fact that you are one of those RSN commenters who are greatly responsible for hatefully bullying many of the long time RSN readers and donors because they are Hillary Rodham Clinton supporters!

HENCE, you grandlakeguy and other hate-filled bullying people like you are greatly responsible for those readers and donors leaving RSN and greatly affecting the RSN funding!
 
 
+20 # Jim Rocket 2016-06-16 11:36
It's the articles that are important, the comments not so much. If you feel that this is not a "safe space" for you and that Grand Lake and others are committing micro-aggressio ns then just skip the comments. Problem solved.
I think those people are merely passionate about democracy and I don't have a problem with that. You and Rocback are a notch above trolls anyway. It's fine if you think Hillary is the best candidate and I welcome a well-reasoned argument but you two are mostly snark and condescenion... which is not unrelated to bullying also.
 
 
-23 # lights 2016-06-16 11:42
I don't see it that way. My first and continued intention at this time, one day at a time until I decide to stop - continues to be - to stop the hate-filled BULLYING and the perpetuation of REPUBLICAN LIES and DISTORTED views of Hillary Rodham Clinton and her RECORD.

You will RARELY if ever see me make "stand up to bullying" comments when people are having serious discussion about issues without the lies, the distortions and hateful bullying of Clinton supporters or Hillary Rodham Clinton herself.

JUSTICE! Moral rightness! Principles determining just conduct!
 
 
+18 # Jim Rocket 2016-06-16 12:06
Okaaay.....than ks for coming out.

"JUSTICE! Moral rightness! Principles determining just conduct!"

Those are great ideals but Hillary is not anywhere near the first person that I'd associate with them. Extremely ambitious, hard-working and better than a Republican is about as far as I can go.

Maybe you're energy is misplaced. Working to hold HER to your standards would be a much better use of your time.
 
 
+16 # CL38 2016-06-16 12:53
Most of us on this site who post are NOT republicans. We're progressive liberals who believe in countering lies, propaganda and misinterpretati ons of facts.
 
 
-22 # lights 2016-06-16 13:51
CL38 and yet today you have done just that..."lies and propaganda and misnterpretatio ns of facts,"

...so you get a counter.

But you don't like a "counter."

You'd rather we just go away because you don't want to deal with another, more factual view on this subject - and a "counter."

You would rather call us hateful names.
 
 
+2 # Nominae 2016-06-16 20:45
Quoting lights:
You would rather call us hateful names.

Good *GAWD Drama QUEEN ! Here's a lace freakin' handkerchief ! Go blubber it out *ELSEWHERE !
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+4 # CL38 2016-06-16 22:35
Lights, it's rare for me to see 'facts' posted from you and crockhack. What I do see are constant whining and accusations of how much you're bullied when someone calls you out for lying or misrepresenting facts. In fact, what you both mostly post is non-factual OPINION, you claim is fact.
 
 
+3 # CL38 2016-06-17 00:26
counter all you like, but counter with FACTS, not personal opinion corroborated by an MSM that works on behalf of special interests and corporate control!
 
 
+13 # CL38 2016-06-16 12:02
YOU, CROCKHACK & Barbara are deceitful bullies and liars.

LEAVE. We'd be thrilled to see you CEASE AND DESIST, stop polluting this independent, thoughtful, intelligent news service. Your CONSTANT misrepresenting the facts to shill for corrupt Hillary is not welcome. I invite and challenge you to carry out your threat. GO! Leave.
__________________
OH NO. I'm shocked! Two more downvotes from crockhack and lights. AGAIN, I'm simply devastated!
 
 
-16 # lights 2016-06-16 13:03
Liars?

SOURCE: THE NATION

THE NATION endorsed Bernie Sanders.

THE NATION:
"The Democratic Primary wasn't rigged."

http://www.thenation.com/article/the-democratic-primary-wasnt-rigged/
 
 
+10 # Patriot 2016-06-16 14:59
CL38, I have to disagree you when you order readers to depart.

Barbara, Rockback, and Lights do not see what I see, don't believe what I think, don't feel what I feel. Sigh, I wish they did! I wish they interpreted what we can see and hear when Clinton speaks, what they read, as I do.

But they don't.

So, why not just bypass their comments, or give them a thumbs down, or even reply to what they write, without calling them names?

(That goes for you, too, Barbara, Rockback, Lights.)

Not one of us has any right to order anyone else off the site, although it IS difficult to figure why readers who disagree with the generally progressive point of view choose to read AND post here...

P.S. At least one of your thumbs-down came from me! (grin)
 
 
+4 # CL38 2016-06-16 22:58
Patriot,

I'm not offended by your comments. in fact, I appreciate the feedback. It helps me take a step back, breathe and reconsider my approach.

I'm at a point where I'm totally frustrated by how much space, time and energy those three take up to distract from genuine. thoughtful dialogue that helps us cope with being progressives in a country that's all about corporate control....and to hear and think about something someone else contributes that's valuable. THAT's what I come here to do and I resent how much oxygen they each suck up by distorting and taking over the conversation with constant bitching and accusations of being bullied any time they're challenged....o r when others here get FED UP and call THEM on THEIR bullying projections, to stop and redirect the focus and conversation.

Those are the tactics I see them use, to take over the site and push uninformed nonsense opinions as facts. My telling them to leave was a reaction to the scam they've got going here. "If they want to constantly whine about how much they're mistreated when they're challenged, then LEAVE, was my response.

You're right about no one having the right to tell them to go. Nevertheless, I'm so fed up with how much they take over on EVERY article on the RSN site in attempts to redirect, sabotage and control the conversation.
 
 
+6 # CL38 2016-06-16 23:25
Part 2:

I agree about name-calling but I don't see these guys as poor little victims. I see them as saboteurs who intend to deliberately disrupt, distract and interrupt the dialogue and the sense of community RSN's progressive site helps us build.
 
 
+5 # Nominae 2016-06-16 20:41
Quoting lights:
grandlakeguy:
HENCE, you grandlakeguy and other hate-filled bullying people like you are greatly responsible for those readers and donors leaving RSN and greatly affecting the RSN funding!

Typical "victim" misreading THERE, Sparky! Even YOU won't LEAVE, and crocback and PAID CREW are *definitely here "for the *duration" as well ! ;-D
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+21 # torch and pitchfork 2016-06-16 10:45
"Associated Press" should be investigated as to their true ownership as well as unaccredited authorship of stories. Who first said, "the masses are asses?" We are all braying into the wind.
 
 
+11 # Radscal 2016-06-16 17:09
Interestingly, the Associated Press was formed in 1848, specifically to provide a common and pro-war narrative about the Mexican-America n War.

You may know that this war was opposed by a huge number of USians of note, including Henry David Thoreau (who actually went to jail in protest of the war) and Abraham Lincoln.

The Saint Patrick's Brigade was made up of recent Irish immigrants who volunteered for the war, but upon seeing that the US was the imperialistic aggressor, joined the other side.

Here's a great song by David Rovic about them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idKD47x0JaM
 
 
+20 # Street Level 2016-06-16 10:45
Santa Clara County RoV insists that ALL provisional ballots will be counted. What's not clear is will they be included in the totals?
Also, pdf's from the RoV's office lists criteria for invalidating PB's. 5 out of 8 items can invalidate a PB, far more than other types. The Sample Ballot with all the voting instructions also came a week after the actual ballot which screwed up the new voters.
We still have 1.5M uncounted ballots as of June 15 and Bernie's still gaining delegates and flipping counties.
 
 
-21 # rocback 2016-06-16 13:00
There has only been a 1% change in the count so far. Who are you getting your facts from...Greg Palast?
 
 
+13 # Patriot 2016-06-16 15:01
Where are you getting yours?
 
 
+1 # Nominae 2016-06-16 20:53
Quoting Patriot:
Where are you getting yours?

crocback, being a PAID TROLL for Hillary Clinton's SuperPAC "Correct The Record" pulls his bilge straight out of his rectum. Professional License. And you were wondering WHY "some posters" would come here if they so hated the Q ?! Yeah. Revelations, book I. lights and Barabara K are long time readers who have drunk the kool aid.

Kinda puts your paternalistic admonition to "both of you" to "play nice" that you rendered above in an *entirely NEW light (so to speak) huh ? ;-D

So expect crockback to come up with the misstatements, omissions, twisted and cooked data, misread sources, "chuckle-number s", etc. - whatever the hell it *TAKES to permit him to pay his rent.

"Rant for the Rent" is crocback's professional mantra. ;-D
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+13 # kundrol 2016-06-16 15:37
Street Level - Do you have the numbers? I've been too busy to check. Last I heard Bernie had gained three counties and Hillary had lost 33 superdelegates. That was from two days ago I believe.
 
 
-26 # Chicago Stan 2016-06-16 10:47
Mr. Palast is being disingenuous in his critique of the California primary. While there needs to be uniformity among the states in the system of voting in national elections, he tends to blur the lines of distinction between the purpose of a primary & a general election.

A primary election or caucus is a process of selection by a PARTICULAR party as to who their nominee will be in the general election. If a voter eschews choosing that party, why should (s)he be allowed a say in who that party should nominate? Should Presbyterians be able to vote for the Pope?

There are many things to criticize about the election process but this isn't one of them.
 
 
+28 # jimmyjames 2016-06-16 11:08
I adamantly disagree. At least one third of all eligible voters in our country consider themselves to be "Independent". They are so registered because they are disgusted with the two-party system which year after year become less representative of the people and more representative of big money interests.

Bernie Sanders, an Independent, only ran in the Democratic Party because our political system is rigged in favor of the two party system. Had he not done so, he would have not been allowed in the debates or had even the slightest avenue to garner support for his cause. Letting the NPP voters vote in this Democratic primary is DEMOCRATIC, and should be the same in every state. Every citizen should have the right to help choose their leaders without having to give allegiance to a political party.
 
 
-19 # Chicago Stan 2016-06-16 12:12
It is hard enough to reach consensus these days with a two-party system. Can you imagine how impossible it would be with a multi-party parliamentary system you advocate? I refer you to this excellent defense of the two-party system:

http://prospect.org/article/defense-two-party-system

In Illinois, all you have to do is walk in to a polling place and ask for a Democratic ballot. There is no such thing as "registered" party affiliation here. You can now walk in on election day and register to vote. While this works well in the national elections, it tends to bring out low-information voters on both the left & right who "celebrity vote" and screw up any down-ticket local primary elections whse campaigns might be issues-oriented .
 
 
+19 # jimmyjames 2016-06-16 13:04
Funny...most democratic political systems in the world are multi-party parliamentarian systems and they seem to function well enough.

And while I disagree on your opinion on "multi-parties" , I applaud your state for your democratic voting system.
 
 
+9 # Patriot 2016-06-16 15:19
And who is going to be designated to weed out "low-informatio n" voters?

Today, both parties want to "do something" about California voters, who are always "screwing thengs up" with their referenda and semi-open primaries. Personally, I'd like to see citizens of all of the states demand and achieve the access to and control over government that Californians enjoy!
 
 
+20 # CL38 2016-06-16 12:05
"Mr. Palast is being disingenuous in his critique of the California primary."

FACTS PLEASE from credible, reliable sources.
 
 
-2 # Nominae 2016-06-16 21:06
Quoting CL38:
"Mr. Palast is being disingenuous in his critique of the California primary."

FACTS PLEASE from credible, reliable sources.

It would appear that our Newbie is crocback with a much better vocabulary. "Correct The Record" may have sent in reinforcements in face of the fact the the low-level Trolls they *already sent are nothing but fodder for derision and contempt.

So, perversely, a compliment TO the self-appointed RSN "Troll Patrol"! ;-D
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+13 # Patriot 2016-06-16 15:15
Stan, that's exactly the problem. Sen. Sanders delighted me when he pointed out that closed primaries probably are illegal because taxpayer money funds all elections, yet only voters registered to specific party name can vote in some elections IF their party is on the ballot.

I've long questioned public funding of what are, essentially, private elections, and have wondered how to get a suit against the practice through the Supreme Court.

Also, tboth big parties have made our election process into strictly Dem-Rep elections, other parties not being invited to share news coverage, debates, ballots, or primaries. Our system is the way it is because we have allowed them to make it so.

The Constitution states few rules governing elections; the rest are made by the states, by legislatures. We must start getting changes made to those laws, to make registration, voting, and campaigning as open and accessible to all as possible.

We should dispose of super delegates, the electoral college, and election fraud. (There doesn't seem to be any appreciable VOTER fraud, despite the two parties' claims to the contrary.)

If we straighten out state and local election processes, national elections will straighten out, too--IF we devise methods to guarantee that all recorded votes are accurately counted.

And, we should add "none of the above" to every office on our ballots, and indicate what will happen when "none" wins an election.
 
 
+16 # Henry 2016-06-16 15:19
Quoting Chicago Stan:
Mr. Palast is being disingenuous in his critique of the California primary. While there needs to be uniformity among the states in the system of voting in national elections, he tends to blur the lines of distinction between the purpose of a primary & a general election.

A primary election or caucus is a process of selection by a PARTICULAR party as to who their nominee will be in the general election. If a voter eschews choosing that party, why should (s)he be allowed a say in who that party should nominate? Should Presbyterians be able to vote for the Pope?

There are many things to criticize about the election process but this isn't one of them.


I disagree. As long as you're a citizen, you should have a say in who gets nominated by the broad and amorphous definition of a "Party." We are ALL part of the American Party, and all are affected hugely by the outcome of presidential primaries and elections.
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+5 # CL38 2016-06-16 23:56
I disagree. The FDR DNC worked on behalf of people. It brought the middle class into power and prosperity with it's support. WE, the people want those who represent us to support candidates the voters want, NOT impose a corrupt, dishonest 1% member who does the bidding of special interests and corporations, rather than "the people". Clinton will never lead the Democratic Party to change the gross economic injustices that exists today to ensure that almost all income goes to the top.
 
 
-21 # lights 2016-06-16 10:56
A balanced view on California voting. NOT A VIEW that WANTS to take down the Democratic Party!

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/why-california-still-hasnt-processed-over-two-million-ballots-primaries-bernie
 
 
+15 # CL38 2016-06-16 12:12
Educate yourself BEFORE you post. This will help you understand why patriots in the US want to shift the current reincarnation of today's "Democratic" Party which sold out to the 1% from a once-glorious history of FDR Democratic policies that always supported the 99%. Then and only then can you speak intelligently about today's "Democratic" Party and why so many voters are up in arms about the 1% who've bought the Party and determined who they serve today; the 1% only.

Why Bernie vs Hillary Matters More Than People Think http://www.huffingtonpost.com/benjamin-studebaker/bernie-vs-hillary-matters-more-than-people-think_b_9209940.html
 
 
-18 # lights 2016-06-16 12:57
SOURCE: THE NATION

THE NATION endorsed Bernie Sanders.

THE NATION article TODAY:
"The Democratic Primary wasn't rigged."

http://www.thenation.com/article/the-democratic-primary-wasnt-rigged/
 
 
+5 # CL38 2016-06-17 00:16
Greg Palast weighs in on the CA primary:


http://www.gregpalast.com/california-stolen-sanders-right-nowspecial-bulletin-greg-palast/

How California is being stolen
from Sanders right now

Tuesday, June 7, 2016
Special bulletin from Greg Palast

It's not some grand conspiracy, but it's grand theft nonetheless. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ voters will lose their ballots, their rights, by the tens of thousands.
 
 
-22 # rocback 2016-06-16 11:05
There sure is a lot of ink being wasted on a "guess" that "maybe" the provisional ballots could show Bernie actually got a slightly higher percentage of votes. They will be counted and perhaps so but so what? He lost the nomination before the Calif polls had even closed. He could get 100% of the vote and he still loses.

I guess the Bernie or Bust people believe in socialism so much they want the winner to redistribute her votes to the loser to equal them out.
 
 
+17 # CL38 2016-06-16 12:15
You claim to be a lawyer (so not credible from your posts). WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR LAW DEGREE, what year??? I suggest you take a basic civics course.

By what right does Hillary get to declare herself the winner of CA's primary BEFORE all the votes are counted, especially when the uncounted votes number in the millions.
 
 
-19 # rocback 2016-06-16 12:30
All primaries should be closed. If you want to choose the Democratic nominee, become a Democrat. If you are too pure and awesome and independent and iconoclastic, that’s awesome too! Just don’t ask to pick someone else’s leaders. I don’t waltz in to the local Shriners Club, tell them their little hats are stupid, then demand to pick their leadership. If I cared that much about who led them (and what they wore), I’d join the organization.

It costs nothing to be a Democrat. It’s free! Just check a box! And then you don’t have to worry about primary deadlines or whatnot. And if that’s too much of a lift for you, then too bad—you shouldn’t have a say until the general election rolls around. (And yes, I think parties should take over from the states and handle the nomination stuff themselves.)

That said, there have been 23 open contests, and Clinton has won 13 of them. That’s a majority. So even this stupid talking point is stupid. And you know what makes it even more stupid? Take away caucuses, so that we’re just talking about open primaries, then Clinton has won open primaries 13-6.

Time for that stupid talking point to end.

The fact that you suggestI take a "civic" course shows you are confusing a general election with a private primary.

By the way, I have been looking for that supposed lawsuit to be filed so I can read it. I know a right wing organization is teaming up with a left wing one for atty fees so the money is there.
 
 
+16 # CL38 2016-06-16 12:58
"All primaries should be closed." Just because you say so. Just because you want to limit voters.
 
 
-15 # PsychePhixer 2016-06-16 13:45
Well said..We need campaign reform but open primaries are just plain a bad idea.Recall before hastily changing "the system" that the system in place RE: Super Delegates lost the election for Hillary and won it for Obama. So changing the system could work against a candidate of one's choice anytime.

One of Bernie's demands is for all primaries to be open but iven the bag of dirty tricks Republicans use, it's likely they would act on their mantra to "make Democrasts fail". - The GOP could easily launch their base to go vote for the Dem candidate with the least chance of winning to "divide and conquer."
 
 
-5 # Caliban 2016-06-17 00:14
For as long as I have been following politics (60+ years), candidates have been claiming (and the press predicting winners) before all the precincts have reported.

There is nothing official about any such claims, so there is also nothing to get worked up about. Just part of the election game.
 
 
+8 # Henry 2016-06-16 15:22
Quoting rocback:
There sure is a lot of ink being wasted on a "guess" that "maybe" the provisional ballots could show Bernie actually got a slightly higher percentage of votes. They will be counted and perhaps so but so what? He lost the nomination before the Calif polls had even closed. He could get 100% of the vote and he still loses.

I guess the Bernie or Bust people believe in socialism so much they want the winner to redistribute her votes to the loser to equal them out.


All wrong.
 
 
+5 # Nominae 2016-06-16 21:25
Quoting Henry:
Quoting rocback:
I guess the Bernie or Bust people believe in socialism so much they want the winner to redistribute her votes to the loser to equal them out.


All wrong.


crocback is a troll. "All wrong" is *ALL he's *GOT in his wheelhouse ! ;-D
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-1 # Nominae 2016-06-16 21:21
Quoting rocback:
{Bernie} lost the nomination before the Calif polls had even closed.

crocback, My Precious, Bernie lost the nomination BEFORE THE *PRIMARIES HAD EVEN STARTED ! ;-D
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+5 # CL38 2016-06-17 00:12
Crockhack:

*Placebo Ballots:
Stealing California from Bernie
Using an old GOP vote-snatching trick

http://www.gregpalast.com/placebo-ballots-stealing-california-bernie-using-old-gop-vote-snatching-trick/

*How California's Primary Was Rigged Against Independent Voters

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-08/how-californias-primary-was-rigged-against-independent-voters
 
 
+17 # Irritated old person 2016-06-16 12:11
Here in San Luis Obispo County we have an honest election system with an honest Clerk-Recorder. And, we broke for Bernie. The only county to do so, is my understanding.
 
 
-19 # rocback 2016-06-16 12:33
Go to snopes.com. It has debunked every conspiracy theory on the Calf election out there.
 
 
+8 # rocback 2016-06-16 12:49
San Luis Obispo is not the only one. Many broke for Sanders.

Here is a interactive map that shows the vote totals for each county:

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/maps/president/party/democratic/
 
 
+5 # kundrol 2016-06-16 16:07
This map is now out of date.
 
 
+11 # Robbee 2016-06-16 12:30
how many of CA ballots are still not counted? anybody know? - this reminds bernie's promise to press on until all votes are counted! - go bernie!
 
 
-10 # rocback 2016-06-16 12:51
9.2 million voted and there is still 2 million to be counted. But so far the % has only changed by 1% from the day after the election.
 
 
-15 # lights 2016-06-16 13:00
SOURCE: THE NATION

THE NATION endorsed Bernie Sanders.

THE NATION:
"The Democratic Primary wasn't rigged."

http://www.thenation.com/article/the-democratic-primary-wasnt-rigged/
 
 
-12 # PsychePhixer 2016-06-16 13:18
I left a comment here this morning. I was not mean or nasty and I am a supporter of RSN [$$$)so I wish I knew why it was removed?

Let me try again. I simply tried to point out that the Calfornia results would not be disputed by Sanders if the the margin at the end of the day had been reversed and votes for him were as large as those for Hillary. Mail-in votes usually are not counted unless the contest is "close. What's wrong with my post? It's much gentler than most> Does RSN delete things they know are true and too pertinent or ....do they support my first amendment right? Should I keep donating RSN?
 
 
+15 # jimmyjames 2016-06-16 13:43
Thank you for your RSN support!

The problem with the CA election (well, there were many problems) is that the announced a winner with i/3 of the votes uncounted. They knew,and MSM knew, that 2/3 of the uncounted votes were likely to go with Bernie Sanders. Even the last polls before the election showed that Bernie and Hillary were "neck in neck" for the vote. Many people, including myself, thought the calling of Hillary to be the winner was premature. And AP's announcement the day before the election, followed by all the major television networks, bordered on criminality.
 
 
+5 # PsychePhixer 2016-06-16 14:06
I have to apologize, I checked 3 times to see if my comment was missing and did not see it. Now it is there but very much lower on the page as I was one of the first to post here this morning. Since it is there, I will give a donation today, even though RSN endorsed Hillary and even though we who will vote for Bernie but prefer Hillary are bullied on RSN.
I'm relieved to know the first amendment is safe here.
 
 
+13 # Patriot 2016-06-16 15:24
Pysche, RSN endorsed Senator Sanders several weeks ago!
 
 
+1 # Nominae 2016-06-16 21:41
Quoting PsychoPhixator:
I left a comment here this morning...so I wish I knew why it was removed?

Does RSN delete things they know are true and too pertinent or ....do they support my first amendment right? Should I keep donating RSN?

Part I

So, Psycho Phixator, life here on RSN is not as "smoove" for a Troll as once it was, ay? Now *There's a a cryin' damned *shame - if you know what I *mean ! ;-D

At the risk of stealing a gig from Captain Obvious, why in hell would you *FAIL to take your inane questions directly *TO RSN, instead of just addressing yourself to the "Gods At Large" who have no CLUE *what, IF *ANYTHING is going on to *BEGIN with ? ;-D

So, after all of your paranoid Who-dunnit espionage speculation, your "lost" comment *WAS there *ALL ALONG, just not at the *HEAD OF THE Q huh ?! DAMN ! You ARE good with mysteries of the MIND ! ;-D

You know, your close friend crocback *ALSO goes ballistic when *HE can't get the opening STAR slot! You two have SO much in common ! ;-D

These are the *best trolls Hillary could buy for a *MILLION Dollars to infest Sanders Sites ? ;-D

Cont'd
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-1 # Nominae 2016-06-16 22:01
Part II

You and crocback keep thinking that you have been sent here
by Hillary to indoctrinate a bunch of Third Graders.

You yourself pretend to be a shrink, and yet you can't figure out how to solve a simple freaking *BUSINESS question? Yeah. You are a "shrink" like crocback is a "lawyer" i.e., all in The RSN "Dating Profile", where lies are NEVER told, but in reality not at ALL ! ;-D

Sorry you are *SO disappointed with RSN. Perhaps yahoo Q would represent *MUCH more fertile fields for you and your co-workers from "Correct The Record" ! ;-D

And, I hate to be the one to burst your balloon, but the First Amendment will *NOT guarantee you *FIRST PLACE on the RSN Q every morning, Slick ! ;-D
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+4 # Patriot 2016-06-16 15:23
Lights, once was enough!
 
 
+4 # CL38 2016-06-17 00:08
Placebo Ballots:
Stealing California from Bernie
Using an old GOP vote-snatching trick


http://www.gregpalast.com/placebo-ballots-stealing-california-bernie-using-old-gop-vote-snatching-trick/
 
 
+8 # Patriot 2016-06-16 15:22
Rocback, source, please, for your claim about the California vote totals?
 
 
+7 # Henry 2016-06-16 15:24
Quoting rocback:
9.2 million voted and there is still 2 million to be counted. But so far the % has only changed by 1% from the day after the election.


So you think we should quit counting?
 
 
+4 # kundrol 2016-06-16 17:33
@roc: Well originally there were 2.5 million left to count, so if only the .5 have now been counted, it's not surprising that there hasn't been a huge change. I'm not mathematically inclined but it seems that with 3 counties now flipped to Bernie and 33 superdelegates lost to Hillary due to this one percent, then the other 2 million might at least show something somewhat more interesting.
 
 
+4 # Nominae 2016-06-16 21:30
Quoting rocback:
9.2 million voted and there is still 2 million to be counted. But so far the % has only changed by 1% from the day after the election.

crocback, famous for his specious and shaky "Chuckle-number s" once again attempts to play the "numbers card" ! ;-D
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+4 # CL38 2016-06-17 00:10
How California's Primary Was Rigged Against Independent Voters

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-08/how-californias-primary-was-rigged-against-independent-voters
 
 
+10 # Anarchist 23 2016-06-16 15:08
To paraphrase dear old Joe Stalin: It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes.
 
 
0 # Gene 2016-06-16 15:28
Look it up on the State of CA website. On 6/11, Hillary had 1,941 thousand votes. Bernie had 1,502 thous.,a spread of 439 thous.

On 6/15 Hillary has 2,405 thous.. Bernie has 1,940 thous., a spread of 475 thous..

There are still 1.4 million ballots to count. So keep the faith for Bernie. Although Hillary had 36 thousand more votes on 6/15, her percentage spread dropped. The remaining 1.4 million unprocessed ballots are down from 2.5 million last week. Of these, 700 thousand are provisional ballots, unchanged from last Friday. LA County's registrar explained why they take longer to count and that historically 80 to 90% of provisionals are valid. Provisionals were reportedly given to independents to vote for Democrats. CA has a web site so people can track the status of their provisional. The ballots counted since last week were Mail-in ballots. Uncounted Mail-in ballots dropped by 1.1 million to 679 thousand. Of those counted, Dems got 914 thousand split 52%/48% Hillary/Bernie. CA isn't NY, everybody gets to vote & every vote gets counted. CA allows 30 days for counties to submit results, The fraud was corporate media reporting the result on June 8. If Bernie wins, it looks like it will be close.
 
 
+12 # elly105 2016-06-16 15:51
I don't want to enter the fray above. I just want to say how sad and disillusioned I am that there is a likelihood, even a certainty, that our supposedly world class honest-to-god voting protocols, machines, people counters, systems, etc. are as corrupt as any of those in a third-world dictatorship. Now who is pulling those strings? How naive can I be to actually put trust in our system anymore?
 
 
+2 # kundrol 2016-06-16 15:55
Just checked California vote count here: http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/california-flip-bernie-sanders-primary-votes-counted-counties-provisional/ Quote from yesterday's article: "First, a look at the current numbers. According to AP as of June 14, Bernie Sanders has 1,502,043 votes to Hillary Clinton’s 1,940,580 votes. That means Clinton is taking away 269 delegates to Sanders’ 206 delegates." Still numbers from two days ago. Anybody got something better?
 
 
+10 # RMDC 2016-06-16 15:56
"all these tricks that were used yesterday – and I’m not accusing her of designing that, I don’t know what her role was."

Palast needs to get busy and find out exactly what Hillary's or her surrogate's roles were. Crimes were committed. They were not committed by themselves. Someone gave the orders. Since Hillary benefitted it must have come from someone in her camp.

In the 2000 election, Palast found bloody hands on close associates of Jeb Bush. Now is the time to expose Hillary's people inside the election commission of California.
 
 
+17 # Radscal 2016-06-16 16:24
Here's an interesting one. This gent went to his CA polling station to vote ONLY for Sanders. He filled out a paper ballot, marking just one box: Bernie Sanders for President.

Then he inserted it in the ballot tabulation machine and it wouldn't accept it, saying it was blank. He tried several times, and then started video taping the situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3rFZ9cAXmA

The machine would accept ballots that had only a couple of boxes marked, but couldn't "see" Sanders' votes! Finally, a poll worker had to manually override the machine so it would count a Sanders vote.

There's no telling how many votes this machine tallied without counting the Bernie votes, or how many of these electronic tallying machines weren't counting Sanders votes.
 
 
-8 # Caliban 2016-06-17 00:25
Actually from what you describe, the machine wasn't counting any ballots marked only for the presidential vote because it read them as "blank". Bad enough but probably as damaging to Clinton as to Bernie.

All in all, it sounds as if California really needs to get its voting stations brought up to national standards.
 
 
+2 # Radscal 2016-06-17 12:51
If you'd watched the video, you'd know the counter was accepting ballots without a Presidential candidate marked. The only ballot observed that was rejected was the one with only Bernie marked.
 
 
-2 # lorenbliss 2016-06-16 20:07
Reposted my "Hillary is the anti-progressiv e" comment here by mistake after its delay in appearing convinced me it had somehow gotten lost. (Yes, RSN is vexingly slow tonight.) Sorry.
 
 
-10 # ericlipps 2016-06-16 20:36
None of the complaints here about "stolen" primaries would ever have been posted if the primaries in places like California had been awarded to Bernie Sanders, no matter what irregularities might have been seen.

It appears that for many Berniecrats, the real problem isn't that the primaries were rigged (if they were) but that they weren't rigged in Bernie's favor.
 
 
+9 # Ken Halt 2016-06-16 21:01
eric: Your post is nothing more than a projection of your own lack of scruples. No substance, small-minded spite, baseless aspersions, typical HRC troll.
 
 
+7 # Radscal 2016-06-16 23:08
Exactly!
 
 
+1 # chapdrum 2016-06-17 12:40
MSDNC!
That is perfect.
 

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