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Weissman writes: "It will be interesting to see if Jeremy Corbyn can root out such bigotry within his ranks. I still have hope. Much as Bernie Sanders opened up to American Muslims in a very human way, Zadiq Khan is responding to the concerns of British Jews, whatever their political view."

Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn. (photo: unknown)
Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn. (photo: unknown)

Bernie Sanders Wins the Trust of America's Muslims While Jeremy Corbyn Stumbles Over Jew-Bashing in Britain

By Steve Weissman, Reader Supported News

09 May 16


ven though he was a leading civil rights activist at the University of Chicago in the 1960s, Bernie has failed miserably to convince most black voters that he truly has their interests at heart. Compare this to his success in winning support from American Muslims, which suggests a much better way to go.

British politics inspires the same clash of delight and despair. Zadiq Khan, the son of Pakistani immigrants and a devout Muslim, won election as London’s mayor, trouncing (56.8% to 43.2%) the Tories’ Zac Goldsmith, scion of a German-Jewish banking dynasty, who accused Khan of giving cover to terrorists, particularly during his years as a well-known human rights lawyer. Within the Labour Party, the followers of former prime minister Tony Blair continue to plot against leftist party leader Jeremy Corbyn, who goes on giving them ammunition with his tone-deaf handling of obvious Jew-bashing. “It can’t be right,” said the Muslim mayor of Europe’s largest city, “that there are Londoners of Jewish faith who feel the Labour Party is not a place for them.”

Look Who’s Feeling the Bern

Proudly Jewish, though secular, and “100% pro-Israel,” as Bernie Sanders famously described himself in his April debate with Hillary in Brooklyn, he has never hesitated to support Israel’s right to exist and to defend itself against attack. But, even at the risk of losing Jewish voters, he called Israel’s 2014 attack on Gaza “disproportionate,” and publicly declared what Democratic Party politicians had only whispered privately, that “Netanyahu is not right all the time.”

“If we are ever going to bring peace to that region which has seen so much hatred and so much war,” said Sanders, “we are going to have to treat the Palestinian people with respect and dignity.”

Many of us who back Bernie might have wanted him to go much further. Even so, his honesty and not always successful struggle with his own heritage have won enormous support from American Muslims. “On foreign policy, Sanders has shown the most even-handed approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,” wrote the Arab American News. Located in Dearborn, Michigan, America’s largest Arab community, the paper played a leading role in helping Bernie carry the state and win Arab and Muslim support elsewhere. Their endorsement in March speaks volumes.

“Although his views on this issue do not rise to the aspirations of Arab Americans who would like to see Washington take a clear stance against Israel’s human rights abuses and occupation of Palestinian land, Sanders’ call for ending the blockade of Gaza is a step in the right direction, his condemnation of Israeli attacks that kill Palestinian civilians is unprecedented by any major presidential candidate.”

Asha Mohamood Noor, a local activist in Dearborn, drilled even deeper into Bernie’s appeal. While she wanted to talk about his social and economic vision, she made an observation that many may find surprising. “Bernie often discusses, often talks about, the oppression faced by the Jewish people in Europe,” she told The Intercept. “Definitely, I think it appeals to [Muslim American] emotions because they’re feeling a lot of backlash in America and around the world, and he often draws a parallel between the Jewish struggle and the Arab and Muslim struggle in a way that is very genuine and very true.”

Livingstone and Netanyahu

In his effort to revitalize democratic socialism, Jeremy Corbyn has looked to many like the British Bernie Sanders. But he has faced unending attacks for tolerating anti-Semitism. These have come from the organized Jewish community, the media, the Tories, followers of Tony Blair, and other aggressively pro-American advocates of neo-liberal economics, all of whom have used the issue to discredit Labour’s left wing. In response, many progressive British Jews downplayed the charges. So did I. As my grandmother used to warn me, if you spit in my eye, I would tell you it’s raining.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. But I got over it last month, when Ken Livingstone appeared all over British media, ostensibly to defend Naz Shah, a Labour MP, who had already apologized in Parliament for some anti-Israel jibes she had borrowed from Jews for Justice for Palestinians. “Red Ken,” as his supporters call him, is a former mayor of London and one of Corbyn’s closest comrades.

“Let’s remember when Hitler won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel,” Livingstone went out of his way to interject. “He was supporting Zionism – this was before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews.”

As Livingstone continues to insist – and on this he is absolutely right – Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu said much the same about Hitler at the World Zionist Congress last October. The Times of Israel reported Bibi’s speech and reactions to it, showing how the Israeli leader tried to blame the Holocaust on the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husaini. The Mufti, whom many Palestinians still revere as a pioneering leader of their national movement, visited Hitler in Berlin on November 28, 1941.

“Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews at the time,” Netanyahu told the delegates. He wanted to expel the Jews.” But, said Bibi, the Mufti told Hitler, “If you expel them they’ll all come here” to British-ruled Palestine.

“So what should I do with them?” Hitler asked. According to Bibi, the Mufti replied, “Burn them.”

Jews in Israel and around the world reacted in horror. Was Netanyahu “absolving” Hitler and the Nazis of responsibility for the Holocaust? The uproar forced Netanyahu to back down, though only in part. “The decision to move from a policy of deporting Jews to the Final Solution was made by the Nazis and was not dependent on outside influence,” he tweeted a few days later. “The Nazis saw in the mufti a collaborator, but they did not need him to decide on the systematic destruction of European Jewry, which began in June 1941.”

Bibi’s backtracking still got the history wrong. As I have previously noted, and as the widely respected historian Gerald Fleming documented, Hitler confided to the German journalist Josef Hell that his “first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews.” Hitler said that in 1922, not 1941.

Bernie Sanders nailed it. “Netanyahu is not right all the time.”

Hitler and the Zionists?

Netanyahu was sticking it to Palestinians, Livingstone was sticking it to Jews – and not for the first time, as I discovered with a quick spin on Google and some long-distance tutoring from historian Stan Nadel in Austria.

Back in the early 1980s, Ken co-edited the Labour Herald, which became notorious for baiting Jews. One widely-cited example: a cartoon showing Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin as an SS officer in jackboots trampling a pile of Arab corpses. The headline read “The Final Solution.” The Labour Herald also ran what looks like a prologue of Ken’s latest comments on collaboration between Nazis and Zionists. Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis repeatedly told the same lies, but this came from the left.

Flash forward to 2004. As mayor of London, Red Ken publicly embraced Sheik Yusuf al-Qaradawi, an Egyptian-born cleric and radio preacher who had previously encouraged genital mutilation of young girls, beating disobedient wives, lashing homosexuals, and suicide bombing Israeli civilians. He also portrayed the Holocaust as Allah’s punishment of the Jews.

Qaradawi had reportedly changed some of his reactionary views, and Livingstone went out of his way to highlight how “progressive” the cleric had become. Ken also kept his distance on gay rights, which he had long supported. “I don’t agree with the position of Dr. Qaradawi on lesbian and gay rights,” said Livingstone. “We won’t be seeing him at the next [Gay] Pride march, but here is the force that we need to engage with if we are to get a dialogue between the west and the Muslim world.”

As far as I can find, Ken never distanced himself from Qaradawi’s unchanged position on Israel, Jews, and the Holocaust. Ken’s silence was deafening, especially to British Jews.

The following year, an Evening Standard reporter named Oliver Finegold asked Ken about a gay rights gathering he had just hosted at City Hall. Finegold recorded the confrontation. “Was it a good party?” he asked.

“What did you do before?” Ken replied. “Were you a German war criminal?” He was evidently referring to the support the Standard’s sister publication, the Daily Mail, gave to the Nazis in the 1930s.

“No, I’m Jewish,” said Finegold. “I wasn’t a German war criminal.”

“Ah … right,” said Ken.

“I’m actually quite offended by that,” said Finegold.

“Well, you might be,” said Ken. “But actually you are just like a concentration camp guard.”

These incidents, and there are many more, show how Red Ken has long gone out of his way to provoke and offend Jews. But, in the present case, he claims to be defending historical truth, which – he says – he has taken from a book by a Trotskyist author called Lenni Brenner, who happens to have been brought up as an orthodox Jew.

When I heard Ken cite Brenner, I did not know whether to laugh or cry. Berkeley had known him as Lenny Glaser – he was using his stepfather’s name – and he had been a mind-opening and mind-blowing precursor to the Free Speech Movement.

“For years,” wrote the late Michael Rossman, “his thoughtful and passionate tirades greeted students on cold mornings, assailed them at noon as they hurried past the pedestal at Bancroft and Telegraph where he perched, eyes gleaming as he criticized Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis, mocked the Pope’s stand on birth control, told us marijuana wouldn’t make us crazy. One must understand the era’s context, still shadowed with McCarthyism’s chill, to grasp how aberrant his act seemed; and one must understand the subtext of collective feelings, gathering to erupt in the later 1960’s, to grasp the shameful fascination of his lingering words and example for many who hurried past, averting their eyes from that crazy guy.”

Sadly, the book he later wrote – “Zionism in the Age of Dictators” – is a disaster, a shameful propaganda tract that cherry-picks some intriguing facts while ignoring all those that fill out the story and make it a true history. As the Jewish Socialist Group's David Rosenberg noted, the book “tells the history as a simple goodies and baddies affair, uncluttered by nuance or contradiction, which tries to implicate Zionism and pretty much all Zionists in the Holocaust in order to make a simplistic point about Zionism/Israel/Palestine today.”

The truth is so much more telling. When Hitler came to power, a group of very scared German Zionists struck a deal with the Nazi government that allowed them to sell their properties, transfer the proceeds to Palestine, and emigrate there. In return, the larger Zionist movement agreed not to join in the boycott that other Jewish leaders were organizing against Germany and to try to get it revoked.

According to the Israeli daily Haaretz, the deal saved some 60,000 well-educated, mostly well-to-do Jews from extermination. It pumped eight million British pounds – in today’s terms close to a billion dollars – directly into the struggling local economy, and another six million pounds indirectly. It also gave the Jewish settlement in Palestine much needed talent and know-how. Even so, many Jews in Palestine and around the world greatly opposed the deal at the time, and any discussion of it still touches a very raw nerve.

It should. But, whether a necessary evil or just plain evil in itself, this “deal with the devil” does not make Adolph Hitler the founding father of Zionism. Nor does it make Israel a successor to the Nazi state. In spewing their propaganda, Brenner and Livingstone ignore three thousand years of a Jewish religious attachment to Palestine, the development of the Zionist movement in Europe as a direct response to growing anti-Semitism, and the clashes between Zionist and non-Zionist Jews and within the Zionist movement itself. Lumping all this history together in a simplistic “Hitler as Zionist” narrative reeks of Jew-hating.

For me and a growing minority of Jews, Zionism remains irreparably flawed, colonizing a land in which Palestinians already lived and treating them like dirt. As the controversial Israeli historian Shlomo Sand argues, the movement also did violence to the Jewish past, “reinventing” a diverse set of religious (and secular) communities and portraying us as a biological race, which we are not. Why do Hitler’s work for him? But none of this justifies painting all Jews or “only Zionists” as some ultimate Hitlerian evil.

It will be interesting to see if Jeremy Corbyn can root out such bigotry within his ranks. I still have hope. Much as Bernie Sanders opened up to American Muslims in a very human way, Zadiq Khan is responding to the concerns of British Jews, whatever their political view. “The comments made by Ken Livingstone were appalling and disgusting,” he said when he first heard them. “There can be no place for anyone who holds those views in the Labour Party.”

A veteran of the Berkeley Free Speech Movement and the New Left monthly Ramparts, Steve Weissman lived for many years in London, working as a magazine writer and television producer. He now lives and works in France, where he is researching a new book, Big Money and the Corporate State: How Global Banks, Corporations, and Speculators Rule and How to Nonviolently Break Their Hold.

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+32 # grandlakeguy 2016-05-09 13:15
Between Donald Trump's constant demonizing of Muslims and Hillary Clinton wanting to "take our relationship with Israel to the next level" The Muslim world has to be terrified about what this country is becoming.
Once again it is painfully obvious that the only path to a better tomorrow is to elect Bernie Sanders President. He is absolutely correct in his criticism of Netanyahu and the disgraceful treatment of the Palestinian people by Israel.

We will never see an end to terrorism as long as we continue to support regimes that oppress their own people and others as well.
Every person deserves a chance to live a decent life with freedom.
Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton and Netanyahu will never take us down the road to that better future.
+7 # bardphile 2016-05-09 13:47
Yes, but let's not set up a false equivalency between Clinton and Trump. Hard as it is to parse Trump's position on many issues, his election would be a national disgrace just based on who and what he is, and what he's said. I'll proudly vote for Bernie when my state's primary finally rolls around, but I still say Hillary is a much better alternative than Trump.
+26 # grandlakeguy 2016-05-09 14:29
My main problem with Hillary is her penchant for armed conflict. I am afraid that she would support more oppression and killing of civilians, not only in Israel but all over the world.
Her past record is filled with terrible military actions starting while still a Senator with her vote to support Bush's unjustified criminal war on Iraq and later with her siding with Republicans to help defeat the ban on the use of cluster bombs by our military.
As Secretary of State she was the driving force to depose Mommar Khadaffi in Libya an action that has thrown that previously prosperous country into absolute chaos and turning it into a haven for terrorists.
Her activities in Central America can only be described as shameful and despicable.
She has shown absolute lack of judgement in all areas of foreign affairs and can not be trusted to be the Commander of our armed forces!
That is why I can never support her.
+4 # dickbd 2016-05-09 15:40
I agree with you and gave you a green mark. However, if it comes to Trump and Hillary, I may have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary.

I must say that I am getting tired also of the oligarchy that our government has become. Two Bushes, both of them terrible, and now two Clintons!
+14 # lfeuille 2016-05-09 18:32
I agree totally. it is not just her vote on Iraq that she as disavowed. She learned nothing from it. She couldn't resist getting us involved in the quagmire of Libya and urging Obama to escalate in Syria. We had no business in either place. And I think it is more that just bad judgement. It is bad values that lead her to see the world as a canvas for the US to paint on in blood.

I normally am more interested in domestic policy that foreign affairs. I think we have fix what is wrong at home before getting involved with other nations, but she wlll potentially cause so much devastation around the world that it will derail any efforts for reform at home and the aftermath could last for decades.
+20 # Femihumanist 2016-05-09 14:08
Bernie has the best chance of any of them of resisting Israel's pressure since had can't be accused of being anti-Semitic. It would be like Nixon opening relations between US and China.
+17 # dickbd 2016-05-09 15:31
Unfortunately, he can be called a "self-hating Jew," as that is the tactic of Zionists when Jews criticize Israel.

I say that as someone who is almost Jewish himself. My wife was a secular Jew, and despite her death, I still have lots of Jewish relatives.

However, I think Zionism is bad for the Jews, and it could lead to the return of even more virulent anti-Semitism.
-14 # Johnny 2016-05-09 14:11
I find Steve Weissman's anti-Semitism despicable. He blames the crimes of the Zionists on "the Jews." That is like blaming the crimes of the Nazis on "the Christians." Condemning the genocide that Israel continues is not "Jew bashing." It is genocide-bashin g. Weissman spreads the big lie that Zionism was a reaction to Nazism, when in fact the first Zionist congress was in 1897. Furthermore, Weissman says that the Zionist slaughter of Palestinians is not "some ultimate Hitlerian evil." He takes the perspective of the killers; to the victims, both the Nazi and Zionist Holocausts are "some ultimate Hitlerian evil." The only principled difference in the Nazi Holocaust and the Zionist Holocaust is that in one the killers totally control the U.S. and British media, and in the other they did not. Weissman is a Holocaust denier.
+9 # dickbd 2016-05-09 15:35
Are you sure you read his article completely and carefully? I certainly didn't find it anti-Semitic. He was critical of at least one person who was.
+5 # Salburger 2016-05-10 03:55
learn how to read before commenting
+11 # Radscal 2016-05-09 14:12
Steve, you seem to be grasping for straws and engaging in the same cherry picking you’re criticizing.

You write, “Ken’s latest comments on collaboration between Nazis and Zionists. Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis repeatedly told the same lies,” but then go on to admit that you know about the 1933 Transfer Agreement between German Zionists and Nazis.

A deal which you wrote, “saved some 60,000 well-educated, mostly well-to-do Jews from extermination.” Israeli sources say more like 100,000, mostly young and disproportional ly male European illegal migrants.

And along with the billions of dollars in cash and equipment they brought to Palestine, were weapons. Lots of weapons meant to prepare for their hostile conquest of Palestine. Without the 15 years of armed preparation for 1948, would the Zionists have been able to carry out their Nakba?

By 1947, the Zionists had an army of 30,000 young, male illegal immigrants. Terrorist groups like the Stern Gang and Irgun were slaughtering families and carrying out “false flag” bombings, finally driving even the British military out and paving the way for the glorious “War for Independence.”
+9 # Radscal 2016-05-09 14:13
You’re half correct that “many Jews in Israel and around the world greatly opposed the deal at the time.” There was no “Israel” at the time. But yes, the international boycott against German products, kicked off with a 30,000 person rally in New York was having a devastating effect on the German economy, and its ability to build the Nazi war machine. So many Jews and other anti-fascists opposed calling off the boycott.

The Transfer Agreement effectively ended that boycott. Now it took much more money to build the war machine than was given Germany in trade unrestricted by the then-ended Jewish Boycott (headlined as “Jews Declare War on Germany” in newspapers around the world). And we cannot cherry pick who provided the loans that financed Nazi Germany’s growth. Yes, that includes notorious pro-fascists like the Rockefellers and Bushes, but also powerful Zionists like the Rothschilds and Warburgs.

There were no saints pulling strings behind either the Nazi or the older Zionist movements. Anti-Jewish hatred was (and is) real. So was (and is) Jewish Supremacism. The War, like all wars, and the Holocausts were unnecessary and unbelievably cruel. (And yes, plural HolocaustS: Roma, homosexuals, Leftists, handicapped and four times as many Russian civilians as Jewish were slaughtered).
-10 # Salburger 2016-05-10 03:56
more lies, the hatred here is overwhelming all reason
+7 # Radscal 2016-05-09 14:14
But Zionists who know and have learned from history understand the power of a national Boycott, especially along with Divestment and Sanctions. And that is why they oppose these peaceful strategies when directed at themselves.
+1 # cymricmorty 2016-05-09 14:27
Moved from reply to comment below.
-5 # Salburger 2016-05-10 03:55
Full of lies as usual
+7 # audreyb0 2016-05-09 14:13
Islamophobia in the UK - as in the US - is such a bigger problem than anti-Semitism, it is shocking to see an article on Jews & Muslims in the UK which doesnt even mention that fact.
+2 # Salburger 2016-05-10 03:59
that's not what the hate crimes report says, a Jew in the UK are more likely to be victims of hate crimes than is a Muslim--but we don't need to engage in a victimization competition--bo th Antisemitism and Islamophobia need to be opposed.
+7 # cymricmorty 2016-05-09 14:41
From the article:
"Netanyahu was sticking it to Palestinians, Livingstone was sticking it to Jews – and not for the first time, as I discovered with a quick spin on Google and some long-distance tutoring from historian Stan Nadel in Austria."

We know historian Stan Nadel in Austria as anti-Palestinia n, pro-Zionism commenter Salburger here on RSN. That tutoring came with a heavy bias.

If anyone's interested, an alternative (long) POV on the antisemitism witch hunt of the Labour Party:

Another alternative POV re Ken Livingstone:
+8 # scottmontreal 2016-05-09 14:59
Steve Weissman, RSN, I find this a very sloppy Opinion.

You throw in a lot of references: Bernie Sanders, Detroit Muslims, Jeremy Corbin, etc. but it seems in the confusion, that your main beef is Ken Livinstone.

I don't really know the guy, but I do know a bad argument.

You seem to conclude (in the 3rd to last paragraph), that Livingstone said, or implied that " Adolph Hitler (is) the founding father of Zionism".

Well if he did say it, you don't provide the quote. If he didn't say it, then you are suggesting he did, and that is dishonest.

Also, your first charge against Livingstone "a cartoon showing Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin as an SS officer in jackboots trampling a pile of Arab corpses."

Is that anti-Semitism, or is it anti-Zionism? We Jews who are critical of Israel should know the difference.
-6 # Salburger 2016-05-10 04:02
Yes we should, and some of us do ---and sadly some don't, seeing all anti-Zionism as legitimate even when it stinks of Antisemitism.
-9 # Robbee 2016-05-09 15:44
signed in blood! - says - # grandlakeguy 2016-05-09 13:15
"... Hillary Clinton ... will never take us down the road to that better future."

lie! - the actual left would vote for hill over rump every day!

the fake-left, as in GOP trolls! would visit rsn every day! - fighting to sew dissent! - fighting to stop progressives from voting hill! - at any cost! - even a rump presidency!

guy is a GOP troll! - who urges us to throw-away our progressive vote in the general election!

listen to bernie! reich! and warren! - down with GOP/rump/guy! - go bernie! - and in the general, go dem!
+15 # grandlakeguy 2016-05-09 17:25
So Robbee you think that I am a GOP troll?
I let my 15 year record of outspoken opposition to the Bush regime, war and election theft speak for itself.
I operate the Grand Lake Theater in Oakland, Ca. and all through the Dark days of the George W Bush years I posted a constant stream of attacks on the marquee of my theater that was seen by over 150,000 people daily as it is visible from the adjacent major freeway!
All this while it had become commonplace for dissidents to be arrested in shopping centers for wearing anti war or anti Bush t-shirts and while protesters were routinely penned up in "free speech" zones.
Hundreds of these political haiku can be viewed at:

Today I have a voter registration message posted as we are registering voters in the theater lobby and the marquee mentions that free Bernie material is available.

YOUR problem is one of the following:

A) YOU are a GOP troll!
B) you are so gutless as to accept the rigged scandal that this primary has been with the DNC operating as an arm of the Clinton campaign since day one!

This time I refuse to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils.


For once we have a chance to break this terrible cycle of corporatism and militarism that has made the USA the most feared & despised nation on Earth.
+8 # Radscal 2016-05-09 18:21
Wow! I've wondered, but not asked if you were related to the GREAT Grand Lake Theater.

I lived in Oakland for more than 30 years, and once I learned about your family-owned theater, and its lovely art deco design, I rarely went anywhere else. And the staff never complained when I bought a real Chicago Vienna hotdog next door and carried it in (sorry, but thanks. I did buy candies and drinks).

The first of your political Marquees that I remember was "Bush Lied, Thousands Died." I had to drive around the block to make sure I'd really seen that, instead of an advertisement.

You are a true progressive hero. I remember you getting some political backlash, but you stuck to your values. Thank you.

And yes, Robbee and the other HRC trolls here are doing their best to crush the progressive movement. Some are no doubt GOP trolls. Some may be HRC suckers. But all are doing terrible harm to the progressive cause.
+9 # grandlakeguy 2016-05-09 19:11
Thanks Radscal! The theater is still going strong today.
The first marquee message went up the day that the so called supreme court stopped the counting of our votes in Florida.
It said:


During those years I endured a boycott by every Republican in the area as well as the occasional death threat to myself and one of my children.
I cannot even count the number of times that some Republican said to me :"I will never set foot in your theater again".
I must say that I got an awful lot of VERY entertaining mail both pro and con regarding my political statements.
I was proud to host dozens of benefit events for political causes and the list of luminaries that appeared in person at the many screenings and lectures at the Grand Lake is almost endless.
We continue in that tradition to this day.
+7 # Radscal 2016-05-09 20:31
I miss Oakland even more now. Health and finances drove us out a few years ago.

Yes, I attended some of the benefits and events you held, too. In fact, you sponsored my wife's nursing school graduation.

May you and yours remain healthy, happy and prosperous for many, many years to come.
+5 # lfeuille 2016-05-09 18:44
"A) YOU are a GOP troll!
B) you are so gutless as to accept the rigged scandal that this primary has been with the DNC operating as an arm of the Clinton campaign since day one!"

Another possibility is that he just doesn't get it. He seems to have the depth of understanding in political matters of a 4th grader: Take everything a face value. Only consider what the candidate says at the moment. Disregard past statements and past actions that don't gibe with what you want to believe.
+4 # Billy Bob 2016-05-10 00:07
In other words, he's the target demographic for the Clinton campaign.
-7 # Robbee 2016-05-09 16:26
moreover here's what used to pass as fair comment, until yesterday!, on rsn -

says - # Radscal 2016-05-08 15:41
"... (hill) has NEVER met a war she didn't like."

my response yesterday! - **kindly reread my comments above! - trump says [my quote] "on my first day in office, i will tear up the (no-nuclear-bom b-making) treaty with iran! ... a bad deal! the worst ever!” - meanwhile note that bernie and hill both support obama’s iran treaty! [unquote] - hence iran is ONE war hill DOES NOT WANT! - plus rump says - "i will build a wall! mexico will pay for it!" - whereas above i say - [my quote] but when he builds his wall, he has no way to force mexico to pay for it! short of invading and occupying mexico! [unquote] - so that makes TWO UUUGE WARS hill is not up for! - finally hill blatantly supports obama's policy of no u.s. ground forces in syraq! - that makes a 3rd UUUGE WAR hill, at all costs! plans to avoid!**
+9 # Radscal 2016-05-09 20:50
Even your ignorant attempt to find ONE country she wouldn't bomb is wrong.

This is a "fun" one to start with:

"Hillary Clinton Laughs At Possible War With Iran"

"Clinton Threatens to ‘Obliterate’ Iran"

"Clinton says U.S. could "totally obliterate" Iran"

"Hillary Clinton Wants To Obliterate Iran"

"Hillary Clinton Discussed U.S. Approval of an Israeli Strike On Iran"

Oh and don't think she needs to wait for Iran to do something "wrong:"

"Hillary Clinton admits the USA manipulated the Iranian "green revolution"
11 AUGUST 2009 "
-6 # Shades of gray matter 2016-05-09 17:04
Tribalism, tribalism, fake biology tribalism. The CURSE of humankind. The road to self destruction. Daesh has The Killing Machine cranked up for "Other" tribes, infidels. "If you question ANYTHING about even a member of my tribe, you Anti-, I want you DEAD." Were it not for the innocents, perhaps we should let all the "others" go at it.
+5 # Radscal 2016-05-09 18:23
Most of the ISIL fighters are mercenaries, hired by the US Empire and paid through Turkish theft of oil, artifacts and human beings.
-7 # Salburger 2016-05-10 04:04
What, aren't you going to blame the Jews?
+3 # Billy Bob 2016-05-10 13:47
Because he doesn't "blame the Jews", and no amount of trying to stuff words down his gullet that he never said, will change that.
+4 # Radscal 2016-05-10 15:34
Thanks for pointing that out. Israel is far from innocent in this slaughter.

The Plan did first see print in Zionist White Papers after all.
+7 # JayaVII 2016-05-09 18:51
This article is a bit disjointed, but it's interesting and less rigid than a lot I read about Israel/Palestin e/anti-Semitism (both varieties of Semites), etc. The Transfer Agreement is a dirty deal, but it was a dirty time. It saved many Jews from certain extermination. And I doubt that it saved the Nazis, but it certainly made life easier for the regime while it was preparing for what came next. It's important to understand the historical context from which Zionism came. Admittedly, the Israelis have made so many bad decisions over the years that there are no good choices left. But there were many early Zionist voices (including no less than Martin Buber) that sought a binational state in Palestine... which remains the only hope. Btw, the best, most intelligent, most even-handed account of Israel in its early days that I have read is by I.F. Stone, in his "Polemics and Prophecies."
-7 # Robbee 2016-05-09 21:45
says - # grandlakeguy 2016-05-09 17:25
So Robbee you think that I am a GOP troll?

guy, i know you by your words! - # grandlakeguy 2016-05-09 13:15
"... Hillary Clinton ... will never take us down the road to that better future."

says - # grandlakeguy 2016-04-25 15:59
"... So you think that I am a stealth Green supporter wanting to see a Republican victory?"

not exactly, guy! - you say - # grandlakeguy 2016-04-25 13:10 "... A PROGRESSIVE PARTY can win this time ... We cannot afford to wait another four years ..."

guy, you say the sky is falling this november! and if we do not vote 3rd party this november! all is forever lost!

you are a doomsday voice! - yet the doom you prophesy is self-fulfilling ! - if we progressives vote 3rd party! enough of us! - we GUARANTEE a GOP victory!

guy, your "15 year record of outspoken opposition to the Bush regime, war and election theft speak for itself" - exactly! they say you heckled the bush regime for 15 years without learning anything! - you learnt nothing from nader's "progressive" 3rd party run, in florida, costing us 99% some 8 years of pure GOP hell! and obstructed recovery! - now, at last, you say it's time to try it again? - to see if it works 2nd time around?

guy would have us believe hill would run our country exactly the same as rump would? - no difference? - on the basis of what? - bush 2 cheney ran us better than obama?

- nay! - listen to bernie! -- go bernie! - then, whether bernie or hill! - go dem!
-7 # Robbee 2016-05-09 23:37
says - # Radscal 2016-05-09 18:21
"... Robbee (is) doing (Robbee's) best to crush the progressive movement ..."

rad, without bernie, reich and warren, there is no progressive movement! not here on rsn! - just a gaggle of self-identifyin g bernie "supporters" on occasion up to patting each other on the back for accomplishing nothing! - up to ignoring everything bernie, reich and warren warn about rump! - so full of yourselves! rad! guy! - you know better than they! don’t you???

says no less a survivor of gov't for the 1% than - Elizabeth Warren ✔@elizabethforma

I'm going to fight my heart out to make sure @realDonaldTrum p’s toxic stew of hatred & insecurity never reaches the White House.
10:51 PM - 3 May 2016

- more than a few GOP trolls here treat warren just like they treat bernie and reich! - like progressive shit! - when bernie talks here, more than a few don't care to listen!

instead they hear GOP dog whistles! like -
"let's us progressives form a 3rd party"
"let's us progressives write-in bernie"
"let's us progressives vote stein"
"let's us progressives sit home and not vote"
"let's us progressives vote for trump, how bad can he be?”

me “crush the progressive movement”? - here? - just by reminding self-styled progressives what bernie, reich and warren say about rump? - some progressive movement! - crushed by the words of bernie, reich and warren! - can you whimper no better than that? - go run ad hide! - or else join a real movement! - go bernie!
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+3 # Radscal 2016-05-10 18:15
Oh yeah, I wrote that it was all YOU. Poor pitiful little droll troll you are.

What I really wrote was, "Robbee and the other HRC trolls here are doing their best to crush the progressive movement."

And as long as you continue to promote HRC as some sort of "peace candidate" and "progressive alternative" I will continue to call you out on that BS.

We in the "reality based community" still exist.
0 # Marshalldoc 2016-05-11 17:22
See: Jonathan Cook: "What Ken Livingstone didn’t say about Hitler" [http://www.jon blog/2016-05-07 /what-ken-livin gstone-didnt-sa y/].
0 # Marshalldoc 2016-05-12 19:15
How Israel lobby manufactured UK Labour Party’s anti-Semitism crisis []

How Jeremy Corbyn’s enemies are gunning for Labour’s ruling body []

Weissman's demonizing of Labour's truth-sayers on behalf of Zionism is most disappointing and seriously diminishes the credibility he earned with his work on the U.S. role in the Ukrainian coup.
0 # Robbee 2016-05-13 20:51
cries! - # Radscal 2016-05-10 18:15
Oh yeah, I wrote that it was all YOU. Poor pitiful little droll troll you are.

What I really wrote was, "Robbee and the other HRC trolls here are doing their best to crush the progressive movement."


And as long as you continue to promote HRC as some sort of "peace candidate" and "progressive alternative" I will continue to call you out on that BS.


- what? is rump a peacenik? -

does cutting the highest marginal income tax rate to 25% not bother you? okay, perhaps you’re a billionaire like rump?

does deporting 11 million illegals? - does building a wall clear across mexico? - does registering and grounding muslims? - not bother you? - okay, maybe you are white supremacist?

does "delay, delay, delay" obama's scotus nominee not bother you? - okay, maybe you loved scalia?

but if you think rump is what? a peacenik?

we live in bloodthirsty times! - among an onward christian soldiery-public dying to war on muslims!

if hill clears bernie, she will be our nation's "peace" candidate - that is, unless the repugs nominate someone other than rump? - not bloody likely! - repugs are our nation's war party! with them war is always first choice! the prez always makes that choice!

please think this one through! - please don't wear rump blinders into this election!
0 # Robbee 2016-05-13 20:54
peace hawk?, pt. 2

behind door #1! - “i will carpet-bomb isis into oblivion!"

behind door #2! - "i will bomb the shit out of isis! - on my first day in office, i will tear up the (no-nuclear-bom b-making) treaty with iran! ... a bad deal! the worst ever!” - meanwhile note that bernie and hill both support obama’s iran treaty!

behind door #3! - "war is never a first choice!”

what passes for intelligent comment around here is falling into the trap of thinking that, if hill becomes our dem nominee, she will not be our nation's "peace" candidate!

unsaid above, we all prefer bernie's muslim armies plan! - but bernie is not our nation's only "peace" candidate! - go bernie! - then, whether bernie or not, go dem nominee!

some here wring their hands and ask "in what world is hill a ‘peace candidate?’" - well! only in crazy-ass murica! that's where! sorry! - bernie or hill are our only hope!

i'm not buying it that, in a hill versus rump contest, as projects - # grandlakeguy 2016-04-27 17:15
"... Trump will so damage Hillary, with the actual recounting of her ... blood soaked record, that he will most likely defeat her."

- hill was secretary of state for four years - in every foreign policy debate she will run circles around rump - but, frankly, on policy she will kick anybody's ass - on policy there is NO fair fight against hill!

rump plans to "rebuild our military" -
0 # Robbee 2016-05-13 21:17
peace hawk?, pt. 3

rump's foreign policy is a "clear vision" to "destroy" isis with a plan so "great" that he can't reveal it!

by contrast hill has perfectly positioned her candidacy, on use of the military, as win-win - she talks blood-thirsty war hawk, which endears her to jewish voters and militarist crazy-ass murica!

- yet she alone says "war is never a first choice" - so, by contrast with gop warheads! she would be our only "peace candidate"

hill's craftiness reminds me of how deftly (slick?) bill handled military funding - every single year the pentagon told him all it wanted - every single year bill passed billions more than such inflated requests! - bill absolutely flummoxed repugs who claimed he was a weak-kneed dem! - in what world is hill a "peace candidate"? only in crazy-ass murica!

rad - you have plenty of company here! - folks who try not to think too hard about rump, or what he stands for! - for example -

whistling in the dark! says - # Shorey13 2016-05-01 15:07
"... Trump ... will not be starting the kind of trouble that will disturb ..."

- but when he builds his wall, he has no way to force mexico to pay for it! short of invading and occupying mexico!

my point is that either we have alot of folks here whom it hurts to think! - or else we have alot of rump trojans right here on rsn! - go bernie! - and, in any case, go dem!

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