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Excerpt: "Canadian author and journalist Naomi Klein has weighed in on the United States presidential contest, criticizing frontrunner Hillary Clinton and voicing her support for rival Bernie Sanders in the race for the Democratic nomination."

Naomi Klein. (photo: The Greanville Post)
Naomi Klein. (photo: The Greanville Post)

Naomi Klein: 'I Don't Trust' Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders 'Is a Significantly Better Candidate'

By Al Jazeera

19 March 16


The Canadian author weighs in on US presidential election, backing Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination.

anadian author and journalist Naomi Klein has weighed in on the United States presidential contest, criticising frontrunner Hillary Clinton and voicing her support for rival Bernie Sanders in the race for the Democratic nomination.

In an interview with Al Jazeera's UpFront programme, which will air on Friday night, Klein took issue with Clinton's efforts to combat climate change.

The author of the best-selling books No Logo and This Changes Everything told host Mehdi Hasan that she does not trust the former secretary of state.

"I don't trust her because as secretary of state, when she had a huge megaphone to make this an issue, to show that she understands the connections between human security and climate, she didn't use the megaphone," Klein said.

She also criticised Clinton's links to major donors, saying her ties to corporations made her hard to elect.

"I think that Bernie Sanders could win in a general election. I actually think he is a significantly better candidate than Hillary Clinton," she said.

"The power of the socialism smear [campaign against Sanders], I think has really lost a lot of its punch."

Klein also discussed the climate efforts in her own country, Canada, under new Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

"I think [Canada has] done some important things, but what they're doing on climate is not nearly enough,” she said.

"I think Trudeau wants us to love him,” she added. “And because of that, that gives us more to work with."

Despite her passionate efforts to tackle climate change through her advocacy, books and films, Klein admitted that she leaves a substantial carbon footprint through her international travel.

"My huge sin is flying," she said. "You know, I wrote in a book that I finally lost my frequent flyer status and cut my flying by 10 percent, but even though I try to do as much as I can by Skype, I've been flying way too much." your social media marketing partner


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+153 # danireland46 2016-03-19 09:22
I'll never forget Naomi Klein's presence at the Media Matters Convention in Minneapolis during the 2008 Presidential Campaign. She asked if the crowd was supporting Obama. After the crowd resounded in approval she said: "I see you've all drunk the kool-aid." When the crowd reacted negatively to her comment she added; "I've done a little research, and he may not be who you think he is."

She turned out to be absolutely correct about Obama and she's absolutely correct about HRC and Bernie this time around.
+23 # HowardMH 2016-03-19 11:05
Yes, she was right but really what choice did we really have? It was Obama the Wimp, or Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran and he would have done it if elected.
+43 # dquandle 2016-03-19 12:55
Instead, it was bomb Iraq, bomb Pakistan, bomb Afghanistan, bomb Libya, bomb Yemen, bomb Syria...
What a distinction.
+3 # jimbeama 2016-03-21 19:31
there is...he essentially didn't start any new wars. Starting one with Iran would make Iraq seem like a training exercise.
+3 # Lgfoot 2016-03-21 23:37
Not to mention taking out Zelaya in Honduras, for the multinationals, , Gaza etc.
-54 # Dgreenb1 2016-03-19 10:06
Fortunately for Klein and unfortunately for us, she won't have to live with a President Drumpf. We will.
"The power of the socialism smear has lost its punch".

Yeah and there is no longer any racism in this country. Living in an alternate universe Ms. Klein.
+50 # Billsy 2016-03-19 12:33
Unfortunately we ALL have to live within the same global climate. if the most powerful nation in the world can't or won't commit to limiting its carbon footprint, how can others?
+39 # dquandle 2016-03-19 12:57
The whole world will have to contend with the invariably horrendous outcome of the US "election".
+41 # Radscal 2016-03-19 15:50
I think Ms. Klein is correct on the "socialism smear."

The Republicans are like the little boy who cried wolf. After 8 years of calling Obama a "Communist" and decades of claiming the Clintons are "socialists," they have removed the socialist stigma from anyone who would vote for a Democrat.

The smear may still work in some Republican circles, with people who would never vote for a Democrat no mater how "centrist," but so what?

Democrats and Independents will vote for Sanders because of his actual policies, not a label that doesn't even have a definition accepted by all actual socialists.
+8 # Buddha 2016-03-21 16:39
I actually think having an avowed Democratic Socialist as the Dem Candidate, where the MSM will no longer be able to hide him in a corner and go with "All Trump, All The Time", and most voters are finally listening, will once and for all end that red-baiting "Socialism = Marxism" chestnut. All Sanders has to do is connect up Democratic Socialist beliefs with the basic kitchen-table concerns of your average American so they see he isn't proposing anything Marxist in nature for that trope to finally fall flat on its face. Plus, polling of people younger than 30 shows that they support "socialism" more than "capitalism" anyways. Simply put, those old people who lived through the Cold War and fears of USSR and Marxism are dying off, and good riddance.
+7 # Radscal 2016-03-21 17:30
Yeah, I wish he would more frequently equate his "Democratic Socialism" with FDR - or even "trust-busting" Teddy Roosevelt.
+2 # cyd 2016-03-21 21:09
I don't know about that because there are plenty of the older generation like my parents and
their siblings who hid under there desk in case of a nuclear attack, and the only news they watch is the ten o'clock news that tells them what to think
and that's a Yuge part of the voters, my parents
were pretty much Democrats but they still fear communist which are socialist to them.
+4 # Buddha 2016-03-22 10:05
And harsh to say, but they are all dying off. The biggest voting demographic today were born AFTER the USSR fell. Screams of "Marxism" mean less to them than a reference to Harry Potter...
-131 # turnoutthelights 2016-03-19 10:09
Here is another of a continuing series of Crypto-Republic an attacks on Hillary Clinton.
-115 # revhen 2016-03-19 10:19
Absolutely! I've been wondering if these "progressive" attacks on HRC are really attacks by Drumphists, maybe even so paid to do.
+84 # Jim Rocket 2016-03-19 10:33
Damn! You've seen right through her. Klein is actually a big Trump supporter because he's the best candidate on climate change. Wake up and smell yourself, Revhen.
-38 # lights 2016-03-19 12:34
Since climate change - has Klein sold out on her views on Israel? mr. rocket? I see no indication that Bernie Sanders shares her views on the subject of Israel.
+65 # Radscal 2016-03-19 15:57
Sanders' stand on Palestine/Israe l has been consistent for decades. He calls for Israel to recognize a sovereign State of Palestine along the pre-1967 borders (with some adjustments to be negotiated by both sides). He grants that Israel has the right to self defense, but called their 2014 slaughter in Gaza "terribly wrong."

Conversely, HRC has vowed to back Netanyahu no matter what he does.

I'd like a stronger policy statement from Sanders on Israeli crimes, but he is head and shoulders above anyone except Dr. Stein on the issue of human rights... in Palestine/Israe l and pretty much everywhere.
+14 # Buddha 2016-03-21 16:42
For many of us Progressives, "subject of Israel" is SOOOOO far down the list, I have far more important concerns with American jobs, our environment, cost of healthcare and college, our corrupted 'for-sale-to-hi ghest-bidder' Oligarchy, etc. In my opinion, Israel needs to sink or swim on its own, no more Uncle Sugar tacitly supporting its belligerence and its illegal settlements etc.
+27 # DaveEwoldt 2016-03-19 13:34
No, the Drumphists aren't smart enough to offer rational criticism based on reality.
+39 # m s 57 2016-03-19 14:05
If Bernie has raised so much money from everyday citizens -- about $100 million at about $27 a pop -- why don't you just assume that progressive "attacks" on Hillary are from actual real-life progressives and not from Trump supporters in disguise. And since you vilify progressive attacks on Hillary, isn't it fair to assume that you are a "regressive?"
+36 # economagic 2016-03-19 14:37
Why not? Ms. Clinton is. I will say again that I'm not convinced that her defenders in these pages, many of them quite insulting in their remarks, have read the criticisms, or seriously considered her record. The criticism is based not in hatred of Ms. Clinton, but in hatred of much of what she has done and most of she stands for, the very same neoliberal ideology that has been running this country and the world into the ground for the past 30-50 years.

Consistently assuming that any genuine alternative is "unelectable" is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Of course I am concerned about Sanders' alleged support for AIPAC, and he is not a socialist in the classical sense, which some people (not I) would prefer. But continuing on the same path, whether enthusiasticall y embraced (Cruz) or tacitly approved (Clinton), moves us closer to real disaster. How much power Sanders would have to lead us in the opposite direction is debatable, but voting for "more of the same" at this point in human history seems to me to be madness. In fact, I have thought it madness for nearly fifty years.
+21 # davehaze 2016-03-19 15:34
First time in a voting booth I had a choice between the odious warmonger Humphrey and the pathological Nixon. I chose third-party candidate. I don't remember who. It might have been Gus Hall for all I know.

Since then I've resigned myself to voting third-party in all presidential elections. I feel I did not have a choice because I will not vote for anyone who does not represent my interests.

Sanders would be a first tho I really don't consider him a Democrat. Nor probably does he.
+29 # DaveEwoldt 2016-03-19 15:36
From everything I've read, Bernie favors the two-state solution. This is hardly the AIPAC stance.
+10 # turnoutthelights 2016-03-19 17:26
The AIPAC stance is always the Israeli government's stance. There is no independent "there" there.
+14 # lfeuille 2016-03-19 21:57
Hillary and her husband, on the other hand have been actively courting AIPAC in recent months.
+19 # lfeuille 2016-03-19 21:56
He is the only candidate to refuse the invitation to speak at the AIPAC conference.
+70 # fletch1165 2016-03-19 10:32
The author of "Shock Doctrine" is hardly a fan of any neocon.
+3 # tm7devils39 2016-03-19 11:33
Yep!...and you're still in the dark...
+53 # Inspired Citizen 2016-03-19 11:34
Clinton is a DINO:
Fracking: Clinton = Trump
Foreign policy: Clinton = neo-conservative
"Free-trade agreements:" Clinton = corporate fascist. That's right: FASCIST!

That's why it's going to be Bernie or bust. If Democrats won't follow Bernie's light, then they can run from Trump's fire.
+2 # cyd 2016-03-21 21:15
thanks for the link to citizensagainst plutocracy
+2 # cyd 2016-03-21 21:20
I signed the pledge. was my plan anyway. I refuse
to play into this fear mongering which is now in our elections .. Vote for Hillary or else.....
-67 # lights 2016-03-19 12:15
I agree "turnouttheligh ts" - thank you.

Naomi Klein and her husband now focus their professional careers on climate change. That's fine. It is important issue; he just produced and directed a film on the subject but let us all be clear; over time climate change has also now become their SOURCE of INCOME. I no longer TRUST her opinion on the subject. Clearly anyone who doesn't have the singular vision on the subject that they do, would affect her pocket book.

We must have a President elected who will be able to walk into the White House on DAY ONE and take over without being on ANY KIND of learning curve. I see no indication that Klein has even met Bernie Sanders who would most definitely be on a learning curve.

Sanders does not have the range or sustainable stamina for the potential 8 year endurance it would take. In an earlier interview, he even questioned himself about being able to live up to getting it all done. The odds are against him achieving these ideals. I honor his huuuge contribution but he himself, is not sustainable.
+32 # m s 57 2016-03-19 14:13
Every scientist in the world who works on climate change, in whatever field, "makes their living" from climate change -- i.e., it is the source of their income. Are there findings therefore suspect.

When you question Bernie's stamina, you reveal that Trump is your stalking horse, and that you buy into the arguments of an adolescent. You talk about a learning curve, yet you back a candidate who outright denies global climate change exists. It's hard to tell who's the bigger moron -- Trump or a Trump supporter.
-12 # lights 2016-03-19 21:21
m s 57: Gawd forbid trump and his gawd awful supporters!

Important however, is the fact that you called me a moron. A moron - without actually knowing who I support. This proof that Bernie Sanders supporters are often not much different than Trump supporters in their negative, single minded, angry spirits!
+6 # reiverpacific 2016-03-20 10:29
Quoting lights:
m s 57: Gawd forbid trump and his gawd awful supporters!

Important however, is the fact that you called me a moron. A moron - without actually knowing who I support. This proof that Bernie Sanders supporters are often not much different than Trump supporters in their negative, single minded, angry spirits!

It's not the Sanders supporters that RSN had to eventually block because of their YELLING and vitriolic attacks on ANYBODY that disagreed with them even in the smallest way, even myself, who tried to reach some kind of mutually respectful form of exchange.
But the "Muck or Nettles" attitude prevailed anyway.
How soon you forget!
+46 # economagic 2016-03-19 14:42
What Ms. Clinton has learned is precisely what I abhor about her. Her foreign policy experience, based on the idea that war and destabilization of volatile regions of the world is the solution to every problem, is to me the greatest reason I object to her becoming President.
+27 # NAVYVET 2016-03-19 16:31
"Lights"-As a Medievalist, one of my most fascinating study subjects was & is Sir John Sully, born 1281, died 1387 at age 106. Now that I'm 80, he's my role model and don't ever say history can't be fun. At 75, after a lifetime of military service, he distinguished himself in combat at the Battle of Poitiers and became the 39th Knight of the Garter in April 1362 (and was probably the 1st K.G. who was only a commoner, not even a knight banneret). He was 81, about a year older than I am now. He commanded troops in the English victory over the Spanish at Najera in 1367, at 86, and possibly fought in later battles since he was still attending annual Garter banquets & taking part in their "amusements" like tournaments past the age of 100. He delivered an opinionated deposition in a court case the year before he died, and despite his sarcastic remarks was said to be "somewhat feeble"! I make no excuses for his being a warrior and a killer. Knighthood was his profession. But I'm impressed at how many decades that man's physical body kept going strong despite wars, famines, dysentery, bubonic plague and other diseases, and a long feud with another family that might have turned violent on at least one occasion (he was 63) when they accused him of attacking them. He sued them for slander and won.

Surely since medicine is more knowledgeable and longevity noticeably greater nowadays, compared to Sir John Sully Bernie's a spring chicken!
+26 # sfreeman 2016-03-19 19:06
Lights, I do not know what kind of reasoning you are using to say Sanders will have a learning curve. First, all presidents have a learning curve; consequently, Ms Clinton would too. Or, do you think, because she was a President's wife she went on his learning curve with him and, therefore, already has done the curve thing? That is the only rational I can see as Sanders has FAR MORE experience in government that does Ms Clinton.
+52 # Billsy 2016-03-19 12:38
Naomi Klein is a highly respected and knowledgeable activist in matters re: climate. Hardly a "crypto-republi can". Corporatist politicians like Clinton are all weak on this issue. When husband Bill was getting a BJ in the white house he took a call from a Florida state sugar magnate, a huge campaign donor asking him to have his V.P. Gore lay off a popular FL state bill targeting runoff pollution from sugar producers and you can bet that Gore did just that. It's a corrupt system and the only way to fight it is to get over your attachment to Clinton and support the one major candidate who refuses to take corporate PAC donations; Bernie Sanders.
+33 # dquandle 2016-03-19 13:00
Clinton is a crypto-Republic an, or not so crypto Republican.
She is a warmongering war criminal with the deepest and most abiding love of plutocrats and empire, and a desire to seize power and abuse the hell out of it.
-83 # Krackonis 2016-03-19 10:11
I think Naomi should read here own countries stance and stop worrying about the insanity of "The sky is falling" mantra.
+45 # mebemo 2016-03-19 10:19
Proofreading is actually your friend.
+27 # Texas Aggie 2016-03-19 10:17
To expand on someone else's idea, if Eduardo Cruz, who was born in Canada can become president of the United States, why not Pierre Trudeau, Jr.? We could do a lot worse, and except for one example, all the people running for the nomination ARE a LOT worse.
+25 # Jim Rocket 2016-03-19 10:39
Trudeau isn't a great hero... he may yet turn out to be one... But he looks fantastic compared to the Tea-publican he defeated. The Canadian Liberal Party is a pro-business party and they have signed the TPP... it has yet to be ratified. But, yes, he's miles ahead of any of the Republican candidates and people up here are feeling liberated.
+93 # margpark 2016-03-19 10:28
I personally think Bernie has a better chance to beat Trump or Cruz than Hillary does. She just isn't trusted by so many people. And she has always been a hawk about bombing a country instead of negotiating. Bernie is authentic. You either like his stand or you don't but you never have a sense of mis-trust about him.
+25 # wwway 2016-03-19 11:22
I like Naomi Kline but she's not exactly right either. Those who criticize Hillary don't have long term memory or recognize their role in creating her.
You see, majority of Americans side with the Democratic platform but they are also the least likely to get involved and ever more likely to stay home on election day. Herein lies the problem that turned this country right. The people get the government they deserve.
Democrats warned Americans of the consequences of Republican domestic economic and foreign policies but Americans chose those policies. Now that those warnings have become reality the blame has been heaped on Democrats.

Also,Americans expect Democrats to compromise with Republicans but not the other way around. Even Tip O'Neil said that every time he compromised Reagan got 80% of what he wanted. Republican got 98% of what they wanted in the ACA then didn't vote for it. Is it no wonder that Republicans hold out? They will do the same to Hillary. They will do the same to Bernie. Are we going to vote? Are we then going to take back the House and the Senate? Americans gave it up in 2010 and 2012 and 2014 when they didn't vote. The people get the government they deserve. So, what shall it be, folks?
At a Bernie Rally in Reno I met a man my age who admitted that he has never been involved until Bernie. I didn't know whether to slap him or hug him. Knowing that he was absent the last 40 years I think a good slap would have been appropriate.
+26 # DaveEwoldt 2016-03-19 13:43
Here's the problem with that analysis. The majority of Americans don't side with either the Democratic platform or the Republican Platform. Neither party can pull more than about 25% in national elections.

On value surveys, the majority of Americans lean pretty heavily toward progressive policies. This is why the majority stay home on election day--they haven't had anyone to vote for outside of a few dozen progressive stalwarts around the country.
-31 # Shades of gray matter 2016-03-19 11:25
Berners: "Polls, schmolls! We've PROVEN the polls are utterly unreliable! Look at Michigan."
Berners: "The polls PROVE B.S. trumps Trump!" Somebody blinded by passion?
The polls that count have spoken. Her 70% religious Latino vote gave HRC FL, NC, and overcame NAFTA in OH, IL, MO.
I KNOW that even God prefers Bernie, & I approve. But $2B in an anti BS campaign based on his "Godless Socialism," and poor choice of combing them with "Revolution" ("Transformatio n" has been suggested)make him the Glass candidate. (Most voters know nothing about Glass-Steagall, unfortunately.) Sad, but true.
+27 # Ken Halt 2016-03-19 13:10
SOGM: Whatever the baggage of "democratic socialism" it doesn't come close to the three different investigations now going on regarding HRC's conduct as SOS. Trump would pound away at that and, given her negatives and perceived untrustworthine ss, would stand a good chance of winning the general. All I hear from the "socialism" meme is "Be afraid, be very afraid!" but I agree with Naomi it has lost its punch. HRC's aide has been given immunity in one the investigations. Not good for her presidential prospects!
-12 # Robbee 2016-03-19 12:13
this is prophylactic post to ward off obligatory GOP trolling!

citizen, note that your pledge amounts to GOP catfishing undemocratic progressives! - # Inspired Citizen 2016-02-23 14:27 "... Bernie or lose the general election ... is a pledge."

# Inspired Citizen 2016-02-21 10:34 "... to apply the leverage RAP is building ..."


outing false-flag ops! - our local hill-haters have been self-identifyin g here as GOP trolls for months and months!

- citizen, at long last! thanks! outs RAP! - Republicans Against Progress - says - # Inspired Citizen 2015-12-10 18:10 "It's going to be #BerrnieOrElse the GOP. That's RAP's promise!"

- and says - # jsluka 2015-08-30 17:22 "I will not vote for Hillary Clinton ... It would be better for a Rethuglican to get elected, and bring on the revolution!"

- humbug! as says # Scott Galindez 2015-10-20 10:28 “Its not leverage; threats backfire, especially empty ones. Bernie will not run as an independent. Bernie needs enough delegates at that convention to win, not signers on a petition making an undemocratic threat.”

our local autocrats! pledgers! want us to voluntarily, unilaterally disarm our progressive vote! - citizen’s is false-flag attack on hill! and false-flag support for bernie! - listen to bernie! - down with RAP! - down with GOP! - go bernie!
-15 # Robbee 2016-03-19 12:26
note that we don't have to mistrust hill, to prefer bernie! - we watched several debates between them! - clearly hill is "bernie light!"

hill is just as progressive as bernie on women, unions, labor, tpp, blacks, voting rights and path to citizenship for illegal immigrants - more progressive on gun control - hill is almost as progressive as bernie on everything but renewing glass-steagal, breaking up big banks and public funding, only, of elections

my point is we have no reason to hate hill, but many reasons to prefer bernie! - yet GOP-think among us here on rsn proposes to make hill our public enemy #1 - not so says bernie! "Yes, we do agree on a number of issues, and ... on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day."

- as far as disaffected establishment GOPs go - rump supporters - bernie says so and i expect he's right - they will sooner vote for bernie than hill - they can't change their spots of hill-hate nurtured over the past two decades!

wisely says - # Shades of gray matter 2016-03-18 13:48 "Tell the Jews that fascism is simply the confluence of corporations & state. Tell 25 million affected Latinos & all U.S. Muslims that you can't bring yourself to vote against Trump, for Hillary."

we're not just in this campaign to piss hill off! - go bernie!
+13 # Anonymot 2016-03-19 15:16
Hillbilly is not Bernie Lite nor anywhere near it. She's Cruze Lite or worse. Read below and think about it, because that just skims a few of her negatives. It's not about "hate", it's about how this country will proceed in the real world.
+13 # lfeuille 2016-03-19 22:29
We don't mistrust Hillary because we prefer Bernie, we mistrust her based on her record and the sly smear tactics she uses against Bernie. We would mistrust her even if Bernie weren't in the picture. She would use the same tactics against anyone else.
-24 # lights 2016-03-19 12:27
Also, I am concerned that since Naomi Klein has decided to pursue her valuable passions related to climate change which she has now deemed a "war" - has she now completely sold out on her views related to the leaders of Israel which I have not seen any indication that Sanders shares?
+12 # lfeuille 2016-03-19 22:40
More smear tactics. You use a few votes that 100% of the Senate voted for to try to imply that Bernie doesn't care about Palestinians while ignoring the copious documentation, much of it available right here on RSN, about Hillary's quest to bring our country closer to the war criminal Nuttyahoo. This is a basically dishonest argument.
-9 # Robbee 2016-03-19 12:48
some here need to stop pretending that hill is no true, or real, progressive, like they own the term and, in strained purity, define it

- tell us! detail why you would prefer that GOP voice and spirit to hill, okay? - sell us!

and about hill not being progressive in any way other than with regard to women - well tell that to blacks, latinos, illegal immigrants who want a path to citizenship, unions, workers, gun controllers - get the picture? - sell us!

- now with all his pragmatic challenges, i still vastly prefer bernie - donate, phone bank, march for him, attended 3 speeches of his, and voted for him in the primary - things you won't catch me doing for hill! - but it is fair comment for bernie to call hill "infinitely better" than any GOP thug! - after o’malley suspended his candidacy, hill is suddenly the 2nd best progressive still running! - hence i won't hesitate to vote for the dem candidate in the general election! - go bernie!
+5 # dbrize 2016-03-19 13:40
+22 # Anonymot 2016-03-19 14:15
Hillbilly has a basic problem: she lies, which is to say she says whatever the potential listeners in front of her want to hear. I, for one, cannot trust someone like that to do whatever I hear them say. It's like the Generals crying wolf so often that you simply know they are playing with the truth so you tune out everything they say, risking that one day there may be a wolf..

So that leaves me dependent on the speaker's record. No matter what she says, her record is one of submission to any one with more money, glamor, or power than she has, especially if she gets paid for submitting. Read Wall Street.

She may be horrified by Americans killed by the police, as millions of us are, but Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State, was perfectly happy to make a mindless vote for war in Iraq. She was the director of our foregn policy when she set fire to Libya, when she proposed bombing Syria after having been the person to agree to the CIA's putting the kindling wood in place for her matches. She did exactly that again when fomenting a civil war within the Ukraine as part of a CIA/DOD anti-Putin Cold War leftover. She applauded the overthrow of Mubarak in Egypt, ignore that what followed was predictable. The list is long, but there are 2 main points here.
+19 # Anonymot 2016-03-19 14:16
. She took a critical position without the slightest grasp of what she needed to know to fill the job. It gave her the opportunity to fly the world getting photo ops and publicity for her candidacy, flying the false flag of foreign policy expertise. And it demonstrated her even more important quality as future candidate: her absolute willingness to bow to whatever the Deep State wishes. She became an intimate member of Deep State and close to the players of the CIA, DOD, NSA, Wall Street, the MIC, and the current crop of Congressional right.

Now I'm as appalled as anyone about the wanton killings in schools, cinemas, and by the militarized police, but I’m equally sensitive to the deaths of U.S. and allied soldiers, of foreign civilians, and the total destruction of the social lives of entire societies. The « foreign policy expertise » that Clinton followers extoll is the wanton destruction I enumerated and more – and more to come if she is President. That is a small part of her negative record. At least, by their records, I know who and what Sanders and Stein and Trump are. I prefer to have Bernie or a devil I know than the Hillbilly.
+2 # Ken Halt 2016-03-21 16:02
Anon: She undeniably had the most important qualification for the job, which is, as you so aptly describe it, "...her absolute willingness to bow to whatever the Deep State wishes." I might have used more colorful language to say the same thing but the bottom line is that she cannot be trusted to be a positive influence in the world. The 1% is a greedy parasite sucking life from the rest of humanity.
+2 # economagic 2016-03-19 14:46
"- tell us! detail why you would prefer that GOP voice and spirit to hill, okay?"

Please read my recent comments on this and other pages.
+15 # DaveEwoldt 2016-03-19 16:58
Robbee, you're as bad as the right-wingers who want to redefine terms in order to pretend they're making a rational argument.

Hillary is not progressive. She is liberal on a few social issues, but she's an unapologetic neocon on foreign policy, and an unabashed neoliberal on economic policy.
-23 # lights 2016-03-19 12:48
Hillary Rodham Clinton and Elizabeth Warren. The perfect alignment to get the job done and fast!
+29 # dquandle 2016-03-19 13:05
If Warren sells herself to the unutterably criminal Clinton, the US is in far worse shape than might be expected from the already appalling looks, and inevitably atrocious results, of this awful election cycle.
+28 # Sweet Pea 2016-03-19 13:08
Quoting lights:
Hillary Rodham Clinton and Elizabeth Warren. The perfect alignment to get the job done and fast!

It is doubtful that Elizabeth Warren would team up with Hillary Clinton. Elizabeth works for lifting the working people, whereas Hillary works for lifting the wealthy. Neither of them would be happy!
+5 # twocents 2016-03-19 15:00
[quote name="lights"]H illary Rodham Clinton and Elizabeth Warren. The perfect alignment to get the job done and fast![/quoteOil and water?
+16 # Anonymot 2016-03-19 15:10
Somebody turned your light out. Warren would not run with Clinton and an all-woman ticket would have zero chance when one of them was Hillary. Granted, the Republicans have a mess of their own, but two disintegrating political parties is like rolling snakeyes in a high stakes crap game. And this year's elections are a game of crap.
+16 # NAVYVET 2016-03-19 17:28
You're right, Anonymot--to listen to any of the Republicans, especially Drumpf or Cruz, it's "crap" not "craps".

Oh, Pete Seeger, how sad you died before Bernie declared his candidacy! I don't claim to be a Pete quality songwriter, but someone has to try for a campaign song. Here's one of mine, "Bernie's Our Guy" (tune: Malvina Reynolds' "Little Boxes")

We’re the middle class, and the poor folk,
And the farmers all together,
And the women, and the laid-off,
And the ones who lost our homes.
We’re the patriots! The good Americans,
The ninety-nine percent Americans!
From the cities and the mountains,
From the shore where the ocean foams.

From the tepees and the slave shacks,
Ellis Island and the Mayflower,
We had hope, till Wall Street crushed us,
And they thought they’d whipped us tame!
Tried to split us, separate us,
But we showed them, we’re together!
Now we stand here, joining hands here,
Now we stand to make our claim!

We’re the tough ones, we’re survivors,
Who don’t believe the right-wing lies;
Forty years of propaganda
Are enough pie-in-the-sky!
We want our share, need our fair share!
Tax the rich and share the wealth around,
Spread the words: we’re out to win this,
And our words are “BERNIE’S OUR GUY!”

I wrote another one, too, and will send that separately since it's longer.
+6 # Ken Halt 2016-03-19 22:00
Navy: Damn good lyrics, and fit so well into the tune! My admiration!
+8 # NAVYVET 2016-03-20 07:51
Ken, I've been writing these since college, even while in the Navy, a helluva long time! Here's another, written in 2009, the year I resigned from the Demofatcats although I reluctantly re-registered a few months ago to vote for Bernie in the primary. It's called "American Parade" (tune: "Here Comes Santa Claus")

Here comes Wall Street, parading down Wall St,
Laughing greedily.
Ain’t it funny they got our money
From government decree?
There’s no onus for a CEO bonus!
That’s a well-earned fee,
To keep the power up in their tower
Enslaving you and me.

Here come the NSA and the CIA
Sneaking down the street.
We haven’t a clue about what they do,
Those secret deals are neat.
Drugs come in, like heroin,
That’s how these agencies grew,
Be truthful and bold, and you’ll grow old
Where no one will ever find you.

Here come the generals, see the great generals,
Keeping our Empire strong!
War-machining, swagg’ring, preening
As they march along.
Using up soldiers, ev’ry Marine,
They’re so imperious,
So they’ll be seen as tough and mean,
And they can regiment us.

Here’s their plan: screw Afghanistan,
Send drones to Pakistan.
They’ve got the knack to rule Iraq
And drop bombs on Iran,
Russia, Cuba, Venezuela,
Fry the Frenchies, too.
They’ll have great sport holed up in a fort,
Shooting at me and you. (Cont'd)

(Ran out of room. Last 2 stanzas are sent as a Reply to this one.)
+9 # NAVYVET 2016-03-20 07:54
"American Parade", concluded:

Here’s our diplomats in their bowler hats,
A great Imperial crew.
Go get Mexico, claim it for Texaco,
Canada subdue.
Blame Al Qaeda for massacres,
Build a new garrison--
Any excuse to run wild and loose,
And annex everyone.

It’s blessed by Fox, a pox on Fox,
Denying climate change.
Their daily whine is “Everything’s fine”
Tho' drought and storms are strange.
Summer heat’s nice, and melting ice
Is such a phony fuss,
Let ‘em keep drilling, whatever they’re killing,
And that’ll be the end of us!
+5 # Ken Halt 2016-03-21 15:47
Navy: You've got a genius for caricature and lampoonery!! Truly, these adaptions could become viral smash hits on Youtube, please video and post them, offer them to Bernie's campaign! Really enjoy your mordant wit! Wish we could sit down and sing them together sometime, we're birds of a feather! BTW, I also recently changed from Green to Dem so I could vote for Bernie in the MD primary (I think it's a closed one and am taking no chances).
-6 # lights 2016-03-20 00:18
I wouldn't be so sure, Anonymot. As you say, this year might be a game of craps so this would be just the right time for a ticket of two great women. :-)

However, someone like you faced with that great possibility - would also have a serious problem with the extraordinary Elizabeth Warren. I read an article and saw an interview today with Warren where some were speculating she was preparing for just that possibility. :-)
-9 # Shades of gray matter 2016-03-19 13:31
"Anti 'Revolutionary Godless Socialism' has lost its punch"? Apparently not among religious AAs & Latinos. Time for whitey to acknowledge the only polls that count, VOTES, and try to keep up.
I know, it's hard to not get your way. I don't like it myself. Some of us are so spoiled. Americans are going to turn out by the tens of millions against "Revolutionary Godless Socialism." Religious people of color will stay home and nail their doors shut.
+7 # lfeuille 2016-03-19 22:12
People like Bernie's socialism when they hear about it. As for atheism, no one but the crazy Christians care. Your obsession, and it is YOUR obsession with this is unbalanced.
-12 # Shades of gray matter 2016-03-19 13:39
Hillary + Warren or Brown might sound nice, but Dems need every vote in the Senate they can muster. GOPers will provide the turnout motive for the majority, but not all, Dem voters. Religious ones may boycott atheist, etc. Hillary may need an Outside the DC-NY Establishment younger running mate. A very successful but progressive BUSINESSMAN? Wait. That's it!
+8 # Anonymot 2016-03-19 15:19
Trump? Yes, there's a hummongous ticket, Hillary & Trump. Birds of a feather! A woman whose business is self-promotion and a man whose business is gambling on gambling and real estate.
+17 # NAVYVET 2016-03-19 17:34
Well, here's Bernie's business--as I see it in this 2nd song, "From the Streets of Old Brooklyn" (tune: "On Top of Old Smoky")

From the streets of old Brooklyn
To Vermont and DC,
Bernie’s been for the people—
Just like you, you, and me!

He takes on the greedy
Who’ve sent our jobs to hell,
He fights for fair wages
In jobs that pay well.

Bernie wants public schooling
With money for books,
For teaching, not testing
In schools owned by crooks.

Bernie looks to the future,
To each young one who sees
That the greedy deniers
Are killing our bees,

And our trees and our oceans,
While they rake in the dough!
But Bernie can stop it
When enough of us know

We don’t have to be hopeless,
If we join Bernie’s crew,
We can gain the same prospects
Now enjoyed by a few!

Get a free road to college,
Fix the safety net rope,
End the burdens from banksters,
Let kids grow up with hope!

Our hopes have been stolen
By racists and war.
He says end the old hatreds
And our country restore!

We know how to do this:
Choose the man with white hair,
Bernie’s best for the White House,
Now let’s put him in there!

My political doggerel is never copyrighted. Go ahead and steal this or the other song, or both, if you want.
+5 # Ken Halt 2016-03-19 22:02
Navy: Another great adaptation, thanks!!
+15 # elkingo 2016-03-19 18:00
Hey Naomi and Guys:
To some of us "socialist" ain't no smear. It's a necessity.
+13 # Jim Rocket 2016-03-19 18:52
Exactly! Wall Street and the car companies were quite happy to take their socialist bailout. They just don't want to see regular people get one.
+3 # lfeuille 2016-03-20 18:40
Bingo. Well said.
-8 # MissMarple 2016-03-19 20:21
There is nothing really wrong with Bernie that would keep him from being president. But it is sad that so many here have swallowed the garbage the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" has been dishing out for more than 25 years. Lies, abuses, exadurations, all make up the stories told about Hillary Clinton. Nothing she does is good enough. Everything she does is for a bad reason, because that is what the Right Wing has taught you to think.

When she was Girst Lady, they went after her with every made up thing they could think of including murder. Cleared of all charges, the Left couldn't wait to come after her too. They smelled blood, and couldn't get enough. She is strong. She is true. She will win, because Berney is not like the Left. He won't make up lies and exadurations to win.
+10 # Ken Halt 2016-03-19 22:12
MM: I have no animus for HRC. Having read her autobio she seems like a decent person and is certainly very accomplished. It is her neoliberal sensibility and allegiance that are the issues. Her vote for the Iraq war is a good indicator and to me an important reason not to vote for her. It is not true that "everybody thought" there were WMDs in Iraq, and Hans Blix, until GW ordered him out of Iraq, was proving it. That she went along with the neocon deception is unforgivable! Thousands of USians, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead, millions displaced, the whole region in chaos for over a decade, the cost to US economy in the trillions. Supporters say she has the experience but her actions show she doesn't have good judgement when it comes to right and wrong.
She is strong, yes, but she is not true.
-8 # MissMarple 2016-03-20 06:27
One bad vote. President Obama voted with her on all susequent votes, except the one she voted no and he voted yes. All of the secret services, CIA testified there WAS a nuclear program. Those of us who mistrusted them in the first place did not believe them. The last straw was Powell. When he threw his weight over to Bush, for many, that sealed Iraq's fate. He is to blame as much as ANYONE.

Bernie has his negatives too, but each should be tested as individuals, because either is capable of being President. I prefer Hillary for her long and varied experience, including dealing with the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy and the Republicans in Congress. She has been dealing with thrm since 1992.

You are blaming the whole of the war on Hillary's vote. She was not alone. The majority was with her, and the administration was lying to Congress from top to bottom. The whole of the government apparatus was lying about everything. They were getting reliable information as far as they knew. Given Saddam's reputation, one that he encouraged, it seemed plausible that he brought down the WTC towers and had WMD. It didn't take much to fly those planes into the towers. Nuclear material is floating around unmanaged. It was not impossible.

Hillary and many others were mistaken. But that doesn't mean that their judgment as a whole is bad. It means the made an understandable mistake.
+10 # Radscal 2016-03-20 15:30
Miss Marple,

Thank you for having a civil discussion.

It's not just that one vote (though most of the world, including the UN weapons inspectors knew Bush II and his Intelligence agencies were lying).

How do you feel about NeoCons? Did you know HRC voted FOR 3 of them?

Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State
Robert Gates, Secretary of Defense
Alberto R. Gonzales, Attorney General
(And of course, she promoted Victoria Nuland to Assistant Secretary of State later.)

Remember how much liberals hated McCain for wanting to "build the damn fence" and now deride Trump for "the wall?" Yeah, she voted for it.

S Amdt 2480: 
Border Fence and Customs Appropriations

Remember GW Bush's signature "No Child Left Behind" that cut funding to public schools and diverted tax money to private schools? Yeah, she voted for that, too.

HR 1
: No Child Left Behind Act

Then there was the USA PATRIOT Act (and twice more voted to expand it).

HR 3162; 
USA PATRIOT Act of 2001

Where do you stand on the decades-long ban on developing new and more deadly nuclear weapons? She voted to end the ban.

 S 1050; 
Fiscal 2004 Defense Authorization

And that's just her Senate record. As Secretary of State she promoted escalation of the war in Afghanistan, the destruction of Libya and Syria and the coups in Honduras and Ukraine.

As you may know, the regimes she helped install have murdered women's and gay rights activists and environmentalis ts.

Is that OK?
+6 # Ken Halt 2016-03-21 15:32
MM: I did not blame the "...whole of the war on Hillary's vote." I stated that it is indicative, and the point I was making is that it was not an "...understanda ble mistake." To acquiesce to obvious deception is not honorable, and puts one in the company of war criminals. The CIA and Pentagon propaganda, even before hostilities started, were shown to be fabrications and cherry-picked info. It was not plausible in the least that Saddam, the leader of a secular gov't with important socialist programs, was colluding with religious fundamentalists , who were calling for his ouster. That she, as a senator and political leader, went along with blatant deception says too much about integrity, and your defense of her is so full of holes that it is unworthy of further comment. Of course that wasn't the only bad vote, she threw her weight behind many laws that torpedoed the "common welfare". How can you support such a flawed candidate? Her judgement isn't bad, it is non-existent, her actions and opinions entirely up for sale to do the bidding of the 1%. Check the list that Radscal posted above and then tell me she isn't a sellout.
+11 # macserp44 2016-03-19 21:58
Why is this so clear to everyone o the outside looking in?
And why can't the American electorate get it right when it is in their own best interest?
+5 # rogergloss 2016-03-21 16:21
Naomi Klein's endorsement of Bernie Sanders is, for me, just one of a hundred reasons I support her in everything she does. As for her carbon footprint, as far as I'm concerned she can fly whenever and wherever she wants for the good she does. Unfortunately it will take some fossil fuels to ultimately eliminate fossil fuels.
+1 # elly105 2016-03-22 19:06
Thank you NavyVet!!!
0 # CenTexDem 2016-04-15 13:19
Hillary Clinton accepting more than a million dollars bundled or fund raised by lobbyists for international oil companies should be the last straw for all Democratic primary voters. Given the lethal precipice that our planet is balancing on due to carbon emissions, Hillary Clinton cannot be allowed to lead our nation because she has serious conflicts of interest as well as a serious lack of competence and credibility and her siding with Big Oil places our military needlessly in harm's way. But for her Super PAC money from Wall Street and contributions from carbon fuel "employees" (translates to fat cat CEOs and lobbyists), her campaign would have ended long ago. Hillary's needless Middle East interventions help ISIS and increase the terror threat to the US and New York. She needs to publicly answer the following questions: Why is America in the Middle East? Why do American taxpayers pay (per Jon Huntsman statement at the 2008 GOP Reagan Library presidential primary debate unrebutted by even Rick "Oops" Perry) every year the equivalent of $9 per gallon of gasoline over the posted price at the pump to provide free security for treasury hoarding, tax avoiding, planet killing, freeloading international oil companies in the Middle East? Why are we not investing those same dollars to make America 100% independent of Middle East oil with good job creating U.S. domestic environmentally regulated natural gas and wind and solar energy systems for real national and economic security?

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