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Galindez writes: "At Georgetown University on Thursday afternoon, Bernie Sanders outlined his vision of what democratic socialism is. Earlier that morning, Hillary Clinton gave an address on fighting ISIS. MSNBC showed all of Hillary's speech but ignored Bernie."

Senator Bernie Sanders. (photo: Reuters)
Senator Bernie Sanders. (photo: Reuters)


Sanders' Address on Democratic Socialism: Amazing and Blacked-Out

By Scott Galindez, Reader Supported News

20 November 15

 

t Georgetown University on Thursday afternoon, Bernie Sanders outlined his vision of what democratic socialism is. Earlier that morning, Hillary Clinton gave an address on fighting ISIS. MSNBC showed all of Hillary’s speech but ignored Bernie. There has been some media coverage of the speech, but nobody cut live to Sanders like they did for Clinton.

I did see more coverage of the lead carnival barker, Donald Trump, saying he would implement a registry for Muslims, while one of the most important, substantive speeches of the election cycle was almost ignored.

The media blackout of Sanders is not going away anytime soon. Bernie supporters must go around the media and use the social media to help the campaign get their message out. Share stories widely, support independent media, help Bernie 2016 TV get off the ground. If we don’t do these things, we will surely be watching Hillary Clinton win the nomination.

Luckily for those of us feeling the bern, Georgetown University streamed the speech on Ustream. I watched the stream on Bernie 2016 TV with nearly 3,000 others using Twitter and other platforms to discuss the speech as it took place. People were very excited as Bernie laid out his vision.

Bernie opened by invoking the vision of FDR:

In his inaugural remarks in January 1937, in the midst of the Great Depression, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt looked out at the nation and this is what he saw.

He saw tens of millions of its citizens denied the basic necessities of life.

He saw millions of families trying to live on incomes so meager that the pall of family disaster hung over them day by day.

He saw millions denied education, recreation, and the opportunity to better their lot and the lot of their children.

He saw millions lacking the means to buy the products they needed and by their poverty and lack of disposable income denying employment to many other millions.

He saw one-third of a nation ill-housed, ill-clad, ill-nourished.

And he acted. Against the ferocious opposition of the ruling class of his day, people he called economic royalists, Roosevelt implemented a series of programs that put millions of people back to work, took them out of poverty and restored their faith in government. He redefined the relationship of the federal government to the people of our country. He combatted cynicism, fear and despair. He reinvigorated democracy. He transformed the country.

And that is what we have to do today.

A tall order for sure, but the time has come for another transformation. FDR’s “economic royalists” are today’s Wall Street ruling class that needs to be challenged before they consolidate more power. The Billionaire class owns the media and increasingly owns the government. Establishment politics will do nothing to curb their greed. It’s time to fight back.

Bernie went on to say:

And, by the way, almost everything he proposed was called “socialist.”

Social Security, which transformed life for the elderly in this country was “socialist.” The concept of the “minimum wage” was seen as a radical intrusion into the marketplace and was described as “socialist.” Unemployment insurance, abolishing child labor, the 40-hour work week, collective bargaining, strong banking regulations, deposit insurance, and job programs that put millions of people to work were all described, in one way or another, as “socialist.” Yet, these programs have become the fabric of our nation and the foundation of the middle class.

Thirty years later, in the 1960s, President Johnson passed Medicare and Medicaid to provide health care to millions of senior citizens and families with children, persons with disabilities and some of the most vulnerable people in this county. Once again these vitally important programs were derided by the right wing as socialist programs that were a threat to our American way of life.

That was then. Now is now.

Prior to World War II and McCarthyism, socialism was not a dirty word. Many American icons were self-described socialists. Albert Einstein, Helen Keller, Margaret Sanger, John Dewey, W.E.B. Du Bois, A. Philip Randolph, Bayard Rustin, James Farmer, and of course Martin Luther King, whom Sanders quotes further down in the speech.

In 1952, a young King wrote in a letter to Coretta Scott: “I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic.” In a 1966 speech to his staff, King declared: “Something is wrong … with capitalism. Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all of God’s children.”

Next time your conservative friends slam socialism as unpatriotic, remind them that the author of the pledge of allegiance, Francis Bellamy, was a socialist, a Christian socialist known for his fiery sermons on economic justice.

Back to Bernie:

Today, in 2015, despite the Wall Street crash of 2008, which drove this country into the worst economic downturn since the Depression, the American people are clearly better off economically than we were in 1937.

But, here is a very hard truth that we must acknowledge and address. Despite a huge increase in technology and productivity, despite major growth in the U.S. and global economy, tens of millions of American families continue to lack the basic necessities of life, while millions more struggle every day to provide a minimal standard of living for their families. The reality is that for the last 40 years the great middle class of this country has been in decline and faith in our political system is now extremely low.

The rich get much richer. Almost everyone else gets poorer. Super PACs funded by billionaires buy elections. Ordinary people don’t vote. We have an economic and political crisis in this country and the same old, same old establishment politics and economics will not effectively address it.

If we are serious about transforming our country, if we are serious about rebuilding the middle class, if we are serious about reinvigorating our democracy, we need to develop a political movement which, once again, is prepared to take on and defeat a ruling class whose greed is destroying our nation. The billionaire class cannot have it all. Our government belongs to all of us, and not just the one percent.

Now that sums it all up. Are we ready to follow Bernie’s lead and take our country back? It’s time to get off the sidelines. Bernie needs all of us to have his back. He is fighting the bankers, today’s robber barons. They are not going to just roll over, they are fighting back and they will get dirty. We need to be prepared to take them on and defeat them.

I’m not one to say that this is our last chance; progress can help us move forward in the future. But we have not had a better chance to take on the ruling class, and it may be a long time before we have a vehicle like we have now. Let’s not blow it.

We need to create a culture which, as Pope Francis reminds us, cannot just be based on the worship of money. We must not accept a nation in which billionaires compete as to the size of their super-yachts, while children in America go hungry and veterans sleep out on the streets.

Today, in America, we are the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, but few Americans know that because so much of the new income and wealth goes to the people on top. In fact, over the last 30 years, there has been a massive transfer of wealth – trillions of wealth – going from the middle class to the top one-tenth of 1 percent – a handful of people who have seen a doubling of the percentage of the wealth they own over that period.

Unbelievably, and grotesquely, the top one-tenth of 1 percent owns nearly as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent.

Today, in America, millions of our people are working two or three jobs just to survive. In fact, Americans work longer hours than do the people of any industrialized country. Despite the incredibly hard work and long hours of the American middle class, 58 percent of all new income generated today is going to the top one percent.

Today, in America, as the middle class continues to disappear, median family income, is $4,100 less than it was in 1999. The median male worker made over $700 less than he did 42 years ago, after adjusting for inflation. Last year, the median female worker earned more than $1,000 less than she did in 2007.

Today, in America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, more than half of older workers have no retirement savings – zero – while millions of elderly and people with disabilities are trying to survive on $12,000 or $13,000 a year. From Vermont to California, older workers are scared to death. “How will I retire with dignity?” they ask.

Today, in America, nearly 47 million Americans are living in poverty and over 20 percent of our children, including 36 percent of African American children, are living in poverty — the highest rate of childhood poverty of nearly any major country on earth.

Today, in America, 29 million Americans have no health insurance and even more are underinsured with outrageously high co-payments and deductibles. Further, with the United States paying the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs, 1 out of 5 patients cannot afford to fill the prescriptions their doctors write.

Today, in America, youth unemployment and underemployment is over 35 percent. Meanwhile, we have more people in jail than any other country and countless lives are being destroyed as we spend $80 billion a year locking up fellow Americans.

The bottom line is that today in America we not only have massive wealth and income inequality, but a power structure which protects that inequality. A handful of super-wealthy campaign contributors have enormous influence over the political process, while their lobbyists determine much of what goes on in Congress.

Amen. Now this is leadership. No empty soaring rhetoric. Bernie Sanders is speaking truth to power. The comparisons to FDR are coming into focus for me. This guy is ready to transform our country in the same way Roosevelt did with the New Deal. Leaders like this come about once in a generation.

We can’t afford to wait for another leader emerge who is ready to take on the ruling class. We need to rise up now! As Bernie regularly says, “Think big, it’s not time to play it safe.” Incremental change won’t work; we need to take bold action.

In 1944, in his State of the Union speech, President Roosevelt outlined what he called a second Bill of Rights. This is one of the most important speeches ever made by a president but, unfortunately, it has not gotten the attention that it deserves.

In that remarkable speech this is what Roosevelt stated, and I quote: “We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. Necessitous men are not free men.” End of quote. In other words, real freedom must include economic security. That was Roosevelt’s vision 70 years ago. It is my vision today. It is a vision that we have not yet achieved. It is time that we did.

In that speech, Roosevelt described the economic rights that he believed every American was entitled to: The right to a decent job at decent pay, the right to adequate food, clothing, and time off from work, the right for every business, large and small, to function in an atmosphere free from unfair competition and domination by monopolies. The right of all Americans to have a decent home and decent health care.

What Roosevelt was stating in 1944, what Martin Luther King Jr. stated in similar terms 20 years later, and what I believe today is that true freedom does not occur without economic security.

People are not truly free when they are unable to feed their family. People are not truly free when they are unable to retire with dignity. People are not truly free when they are unemployed or underpaid or when they are exhausted by working long hours. People are not truly free when they have no health care.

Free the people!!! I have been poor so I understand where FDR, Dr. King, and Bernie are coming from. I know what it’s like to suffer because I couldn’t afford health care. I know what it’s like to not be sure if I could find a warm place to sleep or a warm shower. I was in America, but I was not free. I was prisoner to just finding what I needed to survive. I was not happy. Life was a chore. All around me I saw great wealth. I often wondered, what did I do wrong to deserve to be punished?

I fought back. I became an activist. I worked with Mitch Snyder, Phil Berrigan, William Thomas and others who helped me get back on my feet. Then I met Marc Ash after the stolen election and decided the most effective thing I could do was help build an independent media organization.

While I am doing better, I have not forgotten what it is like to struggle, not from paycheck to paycheck but from day to day, hour to hour. We must stand up for those still struggling hour to hour. They need us to transform America into a country that puts human need above corporate greed.

So let me define for you, simply and straightforwardly, what democratic socialism means to me. It builds on what Franklin Delano Roosevelt said when he fought for guaranteed economic rights for all Americans. And it builds on what Martin Luther King Jr. said in 1968 when he stated that; “This country has socialism for the rich, and rugged individualism for the poor.” It builds on the success of many other countries around the world that have done a far better job than we have in protecting the needs of their working families, the elderly, the children, the sick and the poor.

Democratic socialism means that we must create an economy that works for all, not just the very wealthy.

Democratic socialism means that we must reform a political system in America today which is not only grossly unfair but, in many respects, corrupt.

It is a system, for example, which during the 1990s allowed Wall Street to spend $5 billion in lobbying and campaign contributions to get deregulated. Then, ten years later, after the greed, recklessness, and illegal behavior of Wall Street led to their collapse, it is a system which provided trillions in government aid to bail them out. Wall Street used their wealth and power to get Congress to do their bidding for deregulation and then, when their greed caused their collapse, they used their wealth and power to get Congress to bail them out. Quite a system!

And, then, to add insult to injury, we were told that not only were the banks too big to fail, the bankers were too big to jail. Kids who get caught possessing marijuana get police records. Wall Street CEOs who help destroy the economy get raises in their salaries. This is what Martin Luther King, Jr. meant by socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for everyone else.

In my view, it’s time we had democratic socialism for working families, not just Wall Street, billionaires and large corporations. It means that we should not be providing welfare for corporations, huge tax breaks for the very rich, or trade policies which boost corporate profits as workers lose their jobs. It means that we create a government that works for works for all of us, not just powerful special interests. It means that economic rights must be an essential part of what America stands for.

It means that health care should be a right of all people, not a privilege. This is not a radical idea. It exists in every other major country on earth. Not just Denmark, Sweden or Finland. It exists in Canada, France, Germany and Taiwan. That is why I believe in a Medicare-for-all single payer health care system. Yes. The Affordable Care Act, which I helped write and voted for, is a step forward for this country. But we must build on it and go further.

Medicare for all would not only guarantee health care for all people, not only save middle class families and our entire nation significant sums of money, it would radically improve the lives of all Americans and bring about significant improvements in our economy.

People who get sick will not have to worry about paying a deductible or making a co-payment. They could go to the doctor when they should, and not end up in the emergency room. Business owners will not have to spend enormous amounts of time worrying about how they are going to provide health care for their employees. Workers will not have to be trapped in jobs they do not like simply because their employers are offering them decent health insurance plans. Instead, they will be able to pursue the jobs and work they love, which could be an enormous boon for the economy. And by the way, moving to a Medicare for all program will end the disgrace of Americans paying, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs.

Democratic socialism means that, in the year 2015, a college degree is equivalent to what a high school degree was 50 years ago – and that public education must allow every person in this country, who has the ability, the qualifications and the desire, the right to go to a public colleges or university tuition free. This is also not a radical idea. It exists today in many countries around the world. In fact, it used to exist in the United States.

Democratic socialism means that our government does everything it can to create a full employment economy. It makes far more sense to put millions of people back to work rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, than to have a real unemployment rate of almost 10%. It is far smarter to invest in jobs and educational opportunities for unemployed young people, than to lock them up and spend $80 billion a year through mass incarceration.

Democratic socialism means that if someone works forty hours a week, that person should not be living in poverty: that we must raise the minimum wage to a living wage – $15 an hour over the next few years. It means that we join the rest of the world and pass the very strong Paid Family and Medical Leave legislation now in Congress. How can it possibly be that the United States, today, is virtually the only nation on earth, large or small, which does not guarantee that a working class woman can stay home for a reasonable period of time with her new-born baby? How absurd is that?

Democratic socialism means that we have government policy which does not allow the greed and profiteering of the fossil fuel industry to destroy our environment and our planet, and that we have a moral responsibility to combat climate change and leave this planet healthy and inhabitable for our kids and grandchildren.

Democratic socialism means, that in a democratic, civilized society the wealthiest people and the largest corporations must pay their fair share of taxes. Yes. Innovation, entrepreneurship and business success should be rewarded. But greed for the sake of greed is not something that public policy should support. It is not acceptable that in a rigged economy in the last two years the wealthiest 15 Americans saw their wealth increase by $170 billion, more wealth than is owned by the bottom 130 million Americans. Let us not forget what Pope Francis has so elegantly stated; “We have created new idols. The worship of the golden calf of old has found a new and heartless image in the cult of money and the dictatorship of an economy which is faceless and lacking any truly humane goal.”

It is not acceptable that major corporations stash their profits in the Cayman Islands and other offshore tax havens to avoid paying $100 billion in taxes each and every year. It is not acceptable that hedge fund managers pay a lower effective tax rate than nurses or truck drivers. It is not acceptable that billionaire families are able to leave virtually all of their wealth to their families without paying a reasonable estate tax. It is not acceptable that Wall Street speculators are able to gamble trillions of dollars in the derivatives market without paying a nickel in taxes on those transactions.

I couldn’t interrupt Bernie on that roll. Democratic socialism in other words is economic and social justice. It’s my belief system. It is what William Thomas dedicated his life to when he vigiled in front of the White House for years for nuclear disarmament. Thomas, as we called him, saw that greed was destroying our country. Mitch Snyder fasted many times to draw attention to the plight of the homeless and build the largest homeless shelter in the United States within a few blocks of the Capital. He understood that he had to fight the greed of the ruling class that was neglecting those in need. Phil Berrigan was a Christian who understood that the war machine was taking resources that could be used to help the poor. They were my mentors. I know that they would be backing Bernie if they were alive today. Well, maybe not Thomas, it would have been hard to get him to trust a politician.

But Bernie is not a traditional politician, he is a public servant who wants to build a just society. If you feel burned by Obama, Bernie is no Obama. Obama ran and governed as an establishment centrist. Those terms are far from any words I would use to describe Bernie Sanders. Have faith, we can trust Bernie.

Democratic socialism, to me, does not just mean that we must create a nation of economic and social justice. It also means that we must create a vibrant democracy based on the principle of one person one vote. It is extremely sad that the United States, one of the oldest democracies on earth, has one of the lowest voter turnouts of any major country, and that millions of young and working class people have given up on our political system entirely. Every American should be embarrassed that in our last national election 63% of the American people, and 80% of young people, did not vote. Clearly, despite the efforts of many Republican governors to suppress the vote, we must make it easier for people to participate in the political process, not harder. It is not too much to demand that everyone 18 years of age is registered to vote – end of discussion.

Further, it is unacceptable that we have a corrupt campaign finance system which allows millionaires, billionaires and large corporations to contribute as much as they want to Super Pacs to elect candidates who will represent their special interests. We must overturn Citizens United and move to public funding of elections.

If we don’t get the money out of politics, and don’t bring people back into the process, we might as well elect a king or queen and stop having elections. They are a waste of our time and money.

If we continue to sit on the sidelines, we might as well just let the oligarchy take full control. Heck, we might even get lucky and royalty will throw us some big crumbs. I’m just kidding, trying to motivate those who think the system is beyond hope. I believe, as Bernie says, that if we stand together there is nothing we can’t accomplish.

So the next time you hear me attacked as a socialist, remember this:

I don’t believe government should own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a fair deal.

I believe in private companies that thrive and invest and grow in America instead of shipping jobs and profits overseas.

I believe that most Americans can pay lower taxes – if hedge fund managers who make billions manipulating the marketplace finally pay the taxes they should.

I don’t believe in special treatment for the top 1%, but I do believe in equal treatment for African-Americans who are right to proclaim the moral principle that Black Lives Matter.

I despise appeals to nativism and prejudice, and I do believe in immigration reform that gives Hispanics and others a pathway to citizenship and a better life.

I don’t believe in some foreign “ism,” but I believe deeply in American idealism.

I’m not running for president because it’s my turn, but because it’s the turn of all of us to live in a nation of hope and opportunity not for some, not for the few, but for all.

Now that is change we can believe in. One reason we can believe it is he tells us that he can’t do it alone. Democratic socialism is not something we should fear. What we should fear is unchecked crony capitalism. If we let the billionaire class consolidate their power, America will become an oligarchy and Democracy will no longer exist. We need socialism to save America.

Author’s note: Next week I will look at the rest of the speech, which focused on ISIS and foreign policy. The transcript I used for this article was from his remarks as prepared for delivery. –SMG



Scott Galindez attended Syracuse University, where he first became politically active. The writings of El Salvador's slain archbishop Oscar Romero and the on-campus South Africa divestment movement converted him from a Reagan supporter to an activist for Peace and Justice. Over the years he has been influenced by the likes of Philip Berrigan, William Thomas, Mitch Snyder, Don White, Lisa Fithian, and Paul Wellstone. Scott met Marc Ash while organizing counterinaugural events after George W. Bush's first stolen election. Scott will be spending a year covering the presidential election from Iowa.

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+82 # nice2bgreat 2015-11-20 12:09
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Primary Elections are the only elections with choice(s).


Primary Voting begins in just over 2 months.


Now is the time to come out of the closet on Bernie Sanders.

Time for endorsements, activism, and registration drives.
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+19 # Inspired Citizen 2015-11-20 17:34
Revolt Against Plutocracy has a petition for Senator Warren and members of the CPC to endorse Sanders:

https://www.change.org/p/senator-warren-and-the-progressive-caucus-endorse-senator-sanders-for-president

...and a pledge that they plan to use as leverage against #CorporateClint on. Have you taken the Bernie or bust pledge yet?

http://citizensagainstplutocracy.org/
 
 
-144 # Depressionborn 2015-11-20 14:03
Bernie wants us all to vote, but why should we vote when nothing ever changes? Especially when we tried it a while back and all we got was a muslin pres and a bunch of "new" repubs who ended up voting with Harry Reed. Now we end up with more spending for less health care and less jobs and more war!

I say don't vote-it only encourages them!
 
 
+53 # tidyidy 2015-11-20 14:56
Not true that nothing ever changes - doesn't need proving - everything changes, all the time. You change, every day; after today's experiences you'll be a different person.

Change will happen when each of us who wants it, does her own part.

L&B&L
 
 
+65 # tedrey 2015-11-20 14:59
"Why should we vote when nothing ever changes?"

What do you mean, nothing ever changes?! In my whole life under twelve presidents, I've never before been offered the chance to vote for a Socialist Independent, a candidate who strikes out at Wall Street, at the plutocrats, against elections by money instead of voters . . . as well as for better health care, more jobs, and less war! Encourage that!!!

Vote for Debs, King, and Bernie Sanders.
 
 
+60 # Gwalihir 2015-11-20 15:07
Precisely the attitude the Republicans hope all non-Republicans will take. When you don't vote, you give them the power.

Bernie wants everyone to vote because that is the right and responsibility that makes America great. The system is corrupt, but it can only bend things so far. A strong voting majority can overturn the damage that has been done, and restore us to balance.

Don't give up on Bernie.
 
 
+43 # Karlus58 2015-11-20 15:44
Your stupidity is overwhelming. If you don't vote...you got no say in the matter. But you also need to vote midterm elections as well. You need to stay informed of the issues and take a position...that would be voting! Wake up.
 
 
+8 # Depressionborn 2015-11-21 20:40
It is too difficult if not impossible to change much by working the top. Instead we should start at the local level; school boards, city councils, then the county and finally engage the state political "elites". Then can we change Federal government with a chance of success. There is much going on that says it can only get worse.
 
 
+6 # Karlus58 2015-11-22 11:56
Yes, I agree! But all that takes a vote doesn't it?
 
 
-1 # Depressionborn 2015-11-23 15:33
Not until there is something to vote for worth while.

Once we tried it where I live. Everyone local was on board. It seemed to be working until our agenda got to the state convention and political machine elites. They had other plans. We didn't vote for them.
 
 
+38 # reiverpacific 2015-11-20 15:48
Quoting Depressionborn:
Bernie wants us all to vote, but why should we vote when nothing ever changes? Especially when we tried it a while back and all we got was a muslin pres and a bunch of "new" repubs who ended up voting with Harry Reed. Now we end up with more spending for less health care and less jobs and more war!

I say don't vote-it only encourages them!


"A MUSLIN(sic) PRESIDENT"?????
Senility is a a sad thing. If you're gonna perpetrate reactionary rumor and falsehood, at least spell it with some respect for the language we all share.
 
 
+3 # Citizen Mike 2015-11-20 21:46
Quoting reiverpacific:
Quoting Depressionborn:
Bernie wants us all to vote, but why should we vote when nothing ever changes? Especially when we tried it a while back and all we got was a muslin pres and a bunch of "new" repubs who ended up voting with Harry Reed. Now we end up with more spending for less health care and less jobs and more war!

I say don't vote-it only encourages them!


"A MUSLIN(sic) PRESIDENT"?????
Senility is a a sad thing. If you're gonna perpetrate reactionary rumor and falsehood, at least spell it with some respect for the language we all share.

I am with you, DB. As a copy editor and journalist, I despair of losing our culture, it is just slipping away as our educational system is being diluted and corrupted.
 
 
-12 # Depressionborn 2015-11-21 08:00
Sure, "muslin" is phony. So is nobama.
 
 
+2 # tedrey 2015-11-23 06:44
"muslin" pres? Perhaps you meant to call him a satin-ist?
 
 
+38 # Jim Rocket 2015-11-20 16:03
That's loser talk, Depressionborn. Take a look north. Up here we just threw out a Bush/Cheney/Nor quist disciple and I didn't think it was going to happen at all. He imported the Republican voter suppression tactics with voter IDs that, up here, really only affects students, old people and native Canadians. Fortunately they didn't take your advice. The student vote and voting on the reserves was higher than it's ever been in history. On some reserves They ran out of ballots and people waited for new ones to be driven in. Our new attorney general is a native Canadian woman. It's not all going to be perfect here but, wow, what an election and what a change.
 
 
+3 # Depressionborn 2015-11-21 07:58
Yes, JR. It will be fun to watch Canada. Can't move there though, the Feds will take all our savings. Go Canada.
 
 
+32 # futhark 2015-11-20 16:36
If you don't like our muslin pres, perhaps you ought to support a better fabric candidate this time, perhaps silk or polyester.

Whatever Senator Sanders is wearing, he is the only candidate now with substantial support among the people who articulates alternative approaches to present failing policies. So, if you don't like what is going on now, try casting your vote in his direction. All the other candidates seem to be advocating more of the same as we already have, favoritism for big money interests and a bloated military establishment engaged in an eternal whack-a-mole game against terrorists they themselves have provoked. I do agree, however that pending the overturn of the Citizens United decision, elections may continue been window dressing for the oligarchy's governing power.
 
 
+11 # Cassandra2012 2015-11-20 17:44
You sound like a Repugnican troll, dear.
 
 
-9 # Depressionborn 2015-11-20 18:11
Nope, Tried voting repub and nothing changed except our taxes-they got bigger.
 
 
+7 # SHK 2015-11-20 21:55
You are totally an ass. I was born in 1938, my husband in 1935. Oh, oh, woe is you, eh? You are so really stupid, I can hardly believe it. What is wrong with your brain? I'm sorry, I usually don't get mad or say ugly things but your longterm ignorance is more than I can bear. Nothing changes because of people, negative, ignorant people, like you. Read some history. You need it very very badly.
 
 
-6 # Depressionborn 2015-11-21 14:00
The wife says she thinks I'm petty smart. Of course that makes her the smart one.

My brain tells me that God is greater than man, women are different than men, and government is not to be trusted.

Yep, long term ignorance disagrees with my brain disagreeably. But "they" never say what they disagree with.
 
 
+12 # jimallyn 2015-11-21 02:09
Quoting Depressionborn:
Bernie wants us all to vote, but why should we vote when nothing ever changes?

Did you ever consider the possibility that maybe nothing changes because you've been voting for the wrong candidates?

Muslin, by the way, is a cotton fabric. Obama is not a cotton fabric, nor is he a Muslim.
 
 
+4 # kgrad 2015-11-21 20:16
[...] "all we got was a muslin pres"

Really!? 'muslin'?
 
 
+4 # tomwalker8 2015-11-22 10:09
Depressionborn - you are a fool and a plutocrat's wet dream.
 
 
+37 # danireland46 2015-11-20 14:14
We can't sit back and let the preordained dictates of the Plutocrats rule our lives. A united mass of voters can change election results (even in Ohio with strict voting supervision).
Shillary is only inevitable if we let past disappointments manifest itself as apathy. Go to your caucuses or primaries and stand with Bernie. We only truely lose when we let fear or apathy win.
 
 
+37 # Adoregon 2015-11-20 14:30
The corporate media scum are all about anointing Hilary Clinton as the front runner for the Democratic nomination, polls be damned. They may not like her a lot, but the oligarchs (the scum who run the mainstream media that mediates "reality" for their benefit) are absolutely shitting bricks sideways at the thought of Bernie Sanders becoming president.

SUPPORT BERNIE.
BOYCOTT THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA VIGOROUSLY AND LOUDLY.
THIS ELECTION IS OUR BEST CHANCE IN DECADES TO RECTIFY THE TYRRANY OF MONEY IN THIS COUNTRY.
 
 
+12 # JJS 2015-11-20 18:10
I agree with your post except for your statement to "BOYCOTT THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA VIGOROUSLY AND LOUDLY."
I may be misunderstandin g your point but we MUST listen to and watch the opposition in order to know how to oppose them.
 
 
+37 # Blackjack 2015-11-20 14:35
Do we need more proof that we're owned by Corporate America? They are focused on their bottom line which is enhanced by those who have a dog in that same fight--Hillary because to get elected she will give Wall St. what it wants; the media because corporations are in charge of it, which means they are in charge of what is said on it. Bernie wants to shake all that up, so he's not going to get any help from anyone whose vested interest is to keep it as is. In addition, Bernie is up against terrorism and the paranoia created by it. Hillary is exploiting the terrorism issue while Bernie is trying to keep the message on income inequality. That is a hard sell, but one that must be made and Bernie can't do it alone.
 
 
+30 # rich black 2015-11-20 14:48
"Hillary because to get elected she will give Wall St. what it wants"

Hillary is owned by Wall Street:

"A new Washington Post database documenting an astounding $3 billion in contributions and fees the Clinton amassed over the past 40 years for their political campaigns, speeches and the charitable work of the global Clinton Foundation shows that Wall Street has been one of the Clintons’ biggest political benefactors.

The relationship dates back to 1991, when a then young governor Bill Clinton of Arkansas impressed a group of high-powered New York bankers, including then Goldman Sachs co-chairman Robert Rubin, who later became Treasury Secretary during Clinton’s presidency.

Since 2000, Hillary Clinton has raised $29.2 million from PACs and employees of major banks, hedge funds and securities firms for her Senate and presidential campaigns while her husband raised $39.7 million from Wall Street sources throughout his political career – or a total of $68.9 million."
 
 
+8 # CL38 2015-11-21 14:56
Bernie will BREAK UP THE BANKS, tax WALL STREET AND PROMOTE GLASS-STEAGALL.
 
 
-7 # Depressionborn 2015-11-21 20:30
JFK tried breaking the banks. He also wanted to stop a war, maybe two. I don't think Bernie will be on the ticket.
 
 
+22 # Anonymot 2015-11-20 15:04
Hillary is the Democrats stand-in for Trump. She's a Republican hawk. She knows nothing except how to get lots of pictures taken. Her disastrous influence on the State Dept when she touted all of those excruciating regime changes from Libya to the Ukraine will despoil our entire century - if we even see the end of it.

You vote for her - I won't.
 
 
+27 # rich black 2015-11-20 15:08
Who else owns the Clintons?

C'mon Bernie, bring this up in the next debate:

(IBT) "A consortium of American defense contractors led by Boeing would deliver $29 billion worth of advanced fighter jets to the United States' oil-rich ally in the Middle East. In late 2011, Hillary Clinton’s State Department was formally clearing the sale, asserting that it was in the national interest. At a press conference in Washington to announce the department’s approval, an assistant secretary of state, Andrew Shapiro, declared that the deal had been “a top priority” for Clinton personally. Shapiro, a longtime aide to Clinton since her Senate days, added that the “U.S. Air Force and U.S. Army have excellent relationships in Saudi Arabia.”
 
 
+16 # rich black 2015-11-20 15:09
continued:

These were not the only relationships bridging leaders of the two nations. In the years before Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia contributed at least $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, the philanthropic enterprise she has overseen with her husband, former president Bill Clinton. Just two months before the deal was finalized, Boeing -- the defense contractor that manufactures one of the fighter jets the Saudis were especially keen to acquire, the F-15 -- contributed$900 ,000 to the Clinton Foundation, according to a company press release.

The Saudi deal was one of dozens of arms sales approved by Hillary Clinton’s State Department that placed weapons in the hands of governments that had also donated money to the Clinton family philanthropic empire".
 
 
+10 # bardphile 2015-11-20 15:14
Those arms deals might be justified if it bought enough influence to shut off the money to wahhabist terror groups, but obviously, that hasn't happened.
 
 
+30 # Buddha 2015-11-20 15:19
I'm actually amazed MS-NBC covered Hillary, they seem to just want to cover the Trump carnival barker's speeches from start to finish. That they blacked out Bernie isn't surprising, even MS-NBC is owned by the Oligarchy that is viscerally opposed to Bernie and does everything possible to de-legitimize and marginalize his campaign.
 
 
+23 # RMF 2015-11-20 15:46
The whole socialism label is a misnomer of red herring proportions, and as pointed out in the story is used as a pejorative remark. Fact is we are all socialists -- every developed nation state has a mixed economy. Pure socialism, which is definitely not what Bernie advocates, exists only in economics textbooks -- and in that sense serves a pedagogical function. But in the modern era there has never been a purely socialist country and never will be (albeit USSR came very close on the economic side, but as such represents something of an outlier, statistically speaking.) Pure socialism exists (in theory and in textbooks) as a system where the govt sector controls all means of production. Modern mixed economies apply socialist principles, usually in form of govt regulation rather than direct control, to those economic sectors integral to public welfare, and which are not adequately delivered broadly to the population at large -- mainly "essential needs" like education, and health care, but also some "luxuries" like recreation in national parks. Bernie is advocating policies to revitalize this public welfare sector with expanded govt support, which has been scaled back in recent decades under conservative attack.
 
 
+20 # Blackjack 2015-11-20 15:47
The problem is, Bernie can't get any media exposure. Even the "debates" are rigged for times when few people will be watching and are designed to give HRC the most exposure. Plus, notice how many debates the Repukes have had/are having in comparison to the Dems. Debbie Wasserman-Shult z has planned it that way. The more debates there are, the more Bernie will be noticed and the more chance for HRC to make a slip from which she can't recover. The DNC should not be biased, but it is!
 
 
+6 # Cassandra2012 2015-11-20 17:48
And John Dick..... son froze Bernie out throughout the first hour of the staged debate... obviously bought and paid for by CBS MSM!
 
 
+1 # Depressionborn 2015-11-21 14:47
Quoting Blackjack:
The problem is, Bernie can't get any media exposure. Even the "debates" are rigged for times when few people will be watching and are designed to give HRC the most exposure. Plus, notice how many debates the Repukes have had/are having in comparison to the Dems. Debbie Wasserman-Shultz has planned it that way. The more debates there are, the more Bernie will be noticed and the more chance for HRC to make a slip from which she can't recover. The DNC should not be biased, but it is!


Actually, I would like to see Bernie in the ticket so I will vote for him in the primary. TPTB have apparently decided Hillary and Jeb, twiddlydee and twiddledumb. And that is why I won't be voting.
 
 
+5 # mebemo 2015-11-20 15:50
Did NPR cover this?
 
 
+14 # reiverpacific 2015-11-20 16:13
"What we should fear is unchecked crony capitalism. If we let the billionaire class consolidate their power, America will become an oligarchy and Democracy will no longer exist." (quote from article).
I'm afraid that this -from a long-term in-and-out dumb resident furriner's perspective, is retro-wisdom which of course Sanders has seen happening for the same period starting in 1980 to the point where now HAVE an oligarchy, or are teetering on a very crumbly brink thereof.
I've written this before but when I came here in the 1970's, The US really was the land of opportunity (unless you were a member of A.I.M.) and anything seemed possible, especially for the creative and free-spirited, whilst Europe was pretty stagnant.
It gives me no pleasure whatsoever to note that it's gone completely 180°, especially for most small businesses (the backbone of any Democratic Socialist nation) especially since 2007 -and you're now no nearer universal healthcare, free college nor a modern, well maintained infrastructure including high-speed rail. All of this curtails populist freedom of moment, speech and health for all but the elites, spurred on by a practically content-free owner media.
The only thing that the US of Armaments does well anymore, is design, produce and distribute open handedly, death and destruction weaponry to some of the most anti-Democratic feudalist, aggressive-repr essive nations on earth, starting with Saudi-Arabia and LIKUD/Mossad's Israel.
 
 
+3 # Depressionborn 2015-11-20 18:15
exactly riverp, except you forgot about Fascism.It is what rsn posters call capitalism-the business/gov cabal.
 
 
+8 # Shades of gray matter 2015-11-20 16:24
msNBC is a Trojan hor.
 
 
+6 # Cassandra2012 2015-11-20 17:50
as is CBS which 'hosted' the debate farce which froze out Bernie every time it could get away with it....
 
 
+9 # RMF 2015-11-20 17:17
I am all in supporting Bernie and have joined with others contributing money to support his campaign.
I fear, however, that the fix is in at DNC to favor Hillary.
This is extremely regrettable as Bernie has a much better policy platform, and in the national race could be the stronger candidate against the GOP.
One thing going for Bernie in the international area is that he has the strongest platform on how to deal with the Mideast -- he correctly points out that other Islamic nations in Mideast must assume a major and prominent role against terrorism, both regionally and internationally -- this is the only approach that has any chance of working in a peaceful direction, as all other plans play into the hands of ISIS, pitting Muslims against Christians.
However, should Hillary be our nominee I will support her rather than throw the election to the GOP fascists.
A half (or even quarter -- or name you own percentage) is better than no loaf.
 
 
+4 # Cassandra2012 2015-11-20 17:52
Still, compared to ANYONE of the self-serving whack jobs in the extremist RADICAL Tealiban clown car, I would still vote for whoever actually wins the Democratic primary!
 
 
0 # SHK 2015-11-20 22:04
NO! Write Bernie in! We have to show them we know what they're up to. I can't bring myself to vote for another Clinton. We HAVE to stage a write in campaign and if ANYONE who supports Bernie gives up in defeat and votes for Clinton that's TWO votes against Bernie--the one you didn't vote for him and the one you voted against him. PLEASE write him in no matter. If she is going to win, how can that hurt? If we let people know we are going to do it, they might join us because they want to help. Hillary? Is she better because she will ruin us intelligently than the whack job Republicans who will make such a mess if they get in that no one will ever vote for them again!
 
 
+5 # Blackjack 2015-11-20 18:17
I think supporting HRC, if she is the nominee, is the only choice we have. We cannot let any of the Clowns be in charge. This is one of the things that has hampered Bernie, though. He hesitates to press her too hard and give ammo to the Repukes in the general election if she ends up being the nominee. He's tried to be respectful of her, hitting her on issues, but still not going full force like what would be expected from the Repukes in the general election. It's a tightrope he's walking. I think he doesn't want to sound too harsh when the MSM is tuned in, but may be being much more forceful on social media. He is such an honorable man among those who do not know the meaning of the word.
 
 
0 # SHK 2015-11-20 22:05
See my reply to Casandra.

PS: Dang! I accidentally gave you an up vote. You should be aware that you got a vote for and no vote against...that illustrates what I mean about Bernie. You should be a 0 but you are a 2. Get it?
 
 
+5 # djnova50 2015-11-20 18:29
I am all for Bernie being respectful of Hillary; or, Martin for that matter. I really like that he does acknowledge the differences between what he believes on the issues and what Hillary believes on them.

If Bernie starts talking about who is funding Hillary, it would mean that he'd be no better than she.

My personal feeling is that I don't need to watch any programmed debate in order to know which candidate I will vote for. I have read Bernie's blog and know where he stands on the issues. I like that he wants to fix our country in so many ways. But, I understand that he can't do it alone. Should he make it to the Oval Office, we can't leave him to handle things from there. He will still need our support.

While it has not happened often, there have been candidates who have won election or reelection as write-in candidates. I certainly hope that the majority will vote for Bernie over Hillary, so it doesn't get down to voting for Hillary or writing Bernie in.
 
 
+6 # RMF 2015-11-20 19:01
Yes, agree with comments above about difficulties in getting media coverage for Bernie. And often when there is MSM coverage it is presented with the red herring moniker of socialist. As an economist, I wish MSM media would spend some time explaining how commonplace and mainstream, in an everyday sense, the socialist philosophy actually is, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
 
+9 # Mainiac 2015-11-20 19:27
I speak to whomever I come in contact with when I am shopping, attending a meeting or looking at books in the library. I ask, “Are you going to vote for Bernie Sanders?” I have small printed info cards about Bernie that I hand them. I am rather surprised at the number who say YES. At a restaurant recently the waiter said, “Yes, all of us here are for Bernie” The owner of the coffee shop across the street has a poster inside the door that says “BERNIE 2016.”

And I keep after my Democratic member of Congress who like most of the Party establishment is supporting HRC. She is not in line with his agenda — Bernie is.
 
 
0 # Robbee 2015-11-20 20:55
some deaf here pretend to listen to bernie, but, if it's not for bernie, pledge NOT to vote for a progressive! they prefer a zomblican america to a progressive america! says - # Inspired Citizen 2015-11-20 17:34 "(we) ... pledge that they plan to use as leverage against #CorporateClinton."

humbug! - hill is just as progressive as bernie on women, unions, labor, tpp, blacks, voting rights and path to citizenship for illegal immigrants - more progressive on gun control - hill is almost as progressive as bernie on everything else but renewing glass-steagal, breaking up big banks and public funding, only, of elections

my point is we have no reason to hate hill; but many reasons to prefer bernie!

now, back to citizen's self-defeating pledge, says - # Scott Galindez 2015-10-20 10:28 “Its not leverage; threats backfire, especially empty ones. Bernie will not run as an independent. Bernie needs enough delegates at that convention to win, not signers on a petition making an undemocratic threat.”

moreover, on Sunday Nov 08, 2015 about hill bernie says - "... on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day."

citizen, hill is not bernie's worst nightmare! why is she yours? if you can, be specific! to you, is hill zac-same as a zomblican? would she bomb, bomb, bomb iran? put 10,000 boots on ground in syraq? what?

in sum, only if you think bernie lies about hill, take citizen's pledge!
 
 
+3 # elkingo 2015-11-20 21:31
What do you expect from the toad media of the fascist Establishment? Socialize MSNBC! There you go! This amounts to voter fraud, but I guess is perfectly legal. NBC is a private entity and presumably can show what it wants. Freedom of speech,heh heh. Journalistic responsibility? Bullshit.Mass delusion a la Orwell. Certainly the media should be socialized.
 
 
+5 # Citizen Mike 2015-11-20 21:52
The mainstream media have abdicated their responsibilitie s, but online communications are filling in the gap. This website is the updated version of the underground press which we may fondly recall, but with wider reach and instant reaction to events.

Bernie's campaign does not need MSM, nor do we it need the structure of traditional Democratic clubs and political party mechanisms. A completely independent populist movement is being built with Bernie at its head.
 
 
+1 # diamondmarge7 2015-11-20 22:21
I just love what Mainiac does: Asks everybody, wherever, "Are you voting for Bernie?" Mainiac hands out cards which detail Bernie's platform.Brilli ant! Just brilliant! Here in South Carolina, I make it my business also to talk to everybody about Bernie; in addition, I am specifically looking for ways to connect to African Americans-30% of our population. I feel it so important to ask everybody in person & online, "Have you taken the pledge"?-which is to write in Bernie's name instead of voting for SlickWillieShil lary. Go to www.citizensagainstplutocracy.org to take the pledge-it includes enrolling @ least 1 other person also to take the pledge. Thousands of pledgees will leverage Bernie's chances to become the Democratic candidate.
 
 
-16 # Depressionborn 2015-11-21 00:30
I have three problems with Bernie:
First, he wants gov to help people when it can only favor one and disfavor the other. Second, he ignores causes as if prosperity were zero sum. Third, he is stuck in the socialism of the 20's and doesn't realize global warming is politics not science. Yes, if we stopped wasting $3 tril there would be lots of money, but we need jobs, not more poverty entitlement programs. (We cannot add the $1.5 tril he wants, we do not have the money.)

The only reason I can see to vote for Bernie is that he may be our best bet to dismantle an out of control financial system and stem the NWO seemingly unstoppable disaster. If so, it will prove a painful path.
 
 
+1 # Kwamined 2015-11-21 05:29
Obambi and his heir, Hillary Clinton,will only continue the rule and sovereignty of Wall Street. Vote for Bernie.
Yeah, he, too, is a war-monger. But he speaks truth to the powers that be. And he's got a record to prove it.
 
 
+5 # Robbee 2015-11-21 09:10
# mebemo 2015-11-20 15:50 "Did NPR cover this?"

- NPR covered bernie's speech, not hill's, playing the wild applause clips, and bernie was exhilarating!

now that i have watched the whole speech, thanks rsn!, i am more inspired than at any time since 2008 - dem clubs at colleges across america should replay this speech in auditoriums - it's a stirring call to action! - go bernie!
 
 
+3 # mebemo 2015-11-21 19:23
Thanks!
 
 
0 # Robbee 2015-11-21 09:43
broken record marge, the pledge, is back!
# diamondmarge7 2015-11-20 22:21 "... take the pledge. Thousands of pledgees will leverage Bernie's chances to become the Democratic candidate."

- so, for solidarity's sake, lets put a gun to other dem's heads and say, vote bernie too, or else! win their hearts! make progressives love us who are more progressive, or else! driving wedges is the best route to solidarity!

marge, you hate hill so much you would throw the election to the zomblican! the pledge is not your solution, it's our problem!

you know, every time your record skips, i ask you (and citizen) exactly why you hate hill worse than a zomblicsn - you don't answer, because you can't! - you are a mindless wrecking ball, like other pledgers!

so far the only one of you pledgers brave enough to tell the truth says - (cat's out of the bag! zomblican troll unmasks!) - # jsluka 2015-08-30 17:22 "Don't care what you say, I will not vote for Hillary Clinton. Simple as that. It would be better for a Rethuglican to get elected, and bring on the revolution."

- pledgers here are immature, childish brats, lacking any revolutionary discipline - if some revolt and we cannot overthrow our 1% masters by a constitution that guarantees public funding, only, of federal, state and local elections, our bloodshed accomplished nothing! - then any brats left alive will say to the rest of any survivors, what? “oops? sorry? never mind? our bad?” - you are bernie's 2nd worst nightmare!
 
 
+1 # PCPrincess 2015-11-21 11:29
I'm an AVID progressive. I believe in a socialistic divide of the profits of hard-work and ideas. I also will not vote for Hillary Clinton AND do honestly believe that Trump, his recent pandering notwithstanding , would end up a better President than Mrs. Clinton, because underneath the mask, he is actually more progressive than Hillary. I will vote for Bernie Sanders all the way. I am not afraid to break free of the vicious cycle that is this corrupt two-party system. The choice must be made when the chance arrives, and the chance has finally arrived. In fact, this is the first time in my lifetime that I will have a choice to vote for a true progressive that CAN deliver the votes, I will not go to my grave not having used my power as a voter to ensure that all will know that this voter wants a true progressive revolution and not just the lesser of two evils.
 
 
+1 # Blackjack 2015-11-21 12:12
OK, you people who want to waste your vote by writing in Bernie instead of voting for HRC, if she's the nominee, remember what you have done when Trump or Cruz or Rubio moves into the White House and slashes every bit of public funding for everything possible; annihilates environmental protections; lavishes more money on Wall St.; sends more Scalias and Thomases to the Supreme Court; gets us into another war; destroys what little credibility we have left abroad; makes anyone who isn't white, Christian, straight, and wealthy a third-class citizen; spies on us for every possible reason and on an on. Look at yourself in the mirror if that happens and try to justify what you've done!
 
 
+1 # AliceRice 2015-11-22 11:07
That's not true. We are not wasting our vote. We can win. Trump cannot. He simply will be unable to win. There is a whole big difference between a bully billionaire with a message built on his sheltered, little world based on his own beliefs, and the facts of a man who has been telling us the truth since the 1970s and who has the power to move people. People will not be turned off in the end by democratic socialism, and they will get an education. Literally millions of them have been tricked since the Reagan Administration and before into believing that trickle-down economics--givi ng to the wealthy--create s more jobs. No. It just makes wealthy people wealthy. Now they are starting to get that for decades they have been fighting against their own personal interests in favor of people who have no concern at all for them other than to find a way to get their money. That, they have done successfully as a result of Reagan era trickle down that has gone amuck for decades.
 
 
-1 # Robbee 2015-11-21 22:26
it is only blind hatred that fuels some here! says - # PCPrincess 2015-11-21 11:29 "Trump, his recent pandering notwithstanding , would end up a better President than Mrs. Clinton, because underneath the mask, he is actually more progressive than Hillary."

when you believe in things you don't understand, you're gonna suffer - stevie wonder

# Blackjack 2015-11-21 12:12 "Trump or Cruz or Rubio moves into the White House and slashes every bit of public funding for everything possible; annihilates environmental protections; lavishes more money on Wall St.; sends more Scalias and Thomases to the Supreme Court; gets us into another war; destroys what little credibility we have left abroad; makes anyone who isn't white, Christian, straight, and wealthy a third-class citizen; spies on us for every possible reason and on an on."

- bernie also claims that enacting the zomblican budget will also lavish huge tax cuts on the billionaire non-job-creator class! but then, cess, you don't believe bernie, do you?

on Sunday Nov 08, 2015 about hill bernie says - "... on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and President than the Republican candidate on his best day."

cess, hill is not bernie's worst nightmare! why is she yours? if you can, be specific! to you, is hill zac-same as a zomblican? would she bomb iran? put 10,000 boots on ground in syraq? veto equal pay? what?

in sum, only if you think bernie lies about hill, take citizen's pledge!
 
 
+3 # andyseles 2015-11-21 23:16
Hmmm...DB first tells us not to bother voting in that it's a useless cause and then gives the reasons why he/she would vote for Bernie. Newsflash from the (dark) horse's mouth: "This isn't about Bernie Sanders;" it's a political revolution. Fighting the good fight isn't just about "winning." You never "win." You do what is right in your heart and you never give up. Never. And it doesn't hurt to have a little "Irish" attitude: "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join?" If nothing else, it keeps one from being depressed...
 
 
+3 # Depressionborn 2015-11-22 04:00
Said I would vote for Bernie in the primary. Lets have the fight out in the open. (The banking thing was the subject)
 
 
-2 # Depressionborn 2015-11-22 08:00
SHK 2015-11-20 21:55

I forgive you SHK. Your too young to know better.
 
 
0 # SHK 2016-02-05 15:21
Quoting Depressionborn:
SHK 2015-11-20 21:55
I forgive you SHK. Your too young to know better.
I think I told you earlier that I was born in 1938...that means I also was "depression-bor n" albeit at the end of it. So don't get so dang smug about being "mature"! Act it instead of bragging about it. It would seem you should KNOW what living in abject poverty is about, if not by experience, then by observation. I don't need your forgiveness. You need forgiveness for being so smug and self-satisfied and just mean about people who are in the trampled-on class.
 
 
+5 # AliceRice 2015-11-22 10:30
# Depressionborn you really don't get it do you. I am old enough to know that virtually everything has changed since I was a child. Yes, we got less change than we wanted with Obama? Why? Because true ignorance and apathy caused Democrats to stay home and not vote in the 2012 election. Right now it is more important than ever that we vote for the right Congress and the right Senate to so that the party in Presidential power actually can have some power to back him up. The craziest thing we ever do, and we do it all the time, is fail to vote in a House and a Senate that think the same way we do. Democrats vote much less than Republicans, and we have to change that radically. A simple voter turnout revolution would net more Democrats. Everyone knows it. It is the mantra of the Democratic party. Turn out the vote!
 
 
-3 # Depressionborn 2015-11-22 11:34
AliceRice 2015-11-22 10:30

I'm getting it. It takes time. I am slow and getting slower.

I say we have lost our way. Foreign police hegemony, needles war, mama's spoiled boys in the basement, plenty of good jobs-no takers.

Empty churches, money hungry pastors; bankers steal, media lies, business buying government, power corrupting.

rsn cry bullies, nice people yes, but living in ignorance, thinking socialism is the answer when a welfare state is the problem.

The west is collapsing: Europe can't quite figure out that a welfare state with open borders cannot long survive. With a lower than replacement birth rate Germany and others will cease to exist.

And the NWO marches on?
 
 
+4 # Karlus58 2015-11-22 11:59
You talk like a republican...
 
 
-2 # Depressionborn 2015-11-22 13:55
hope not, repubs are the problem too.

Politics are not the answer. Many rsn posters are wrong thinking so. Or maybe I should say government is not an answer. Government is power, the problem is power. Power and money. It is foolishness to put gasoline on a fire.
 
 
+2 # Anonymot 2015-11-22 16:58
Look at Sander's opposition clearly. HIS weak point is foreign policy. Hers?

Of course Hillary is Mrs. Wall Street. For the middle class and working folks she'll forget you the day after she's elected - if she is (without my vote.)

However, what concerns me even more is how this multi-mouthed woman can be overlooked as the Secretary of State who set all of the Middle East on fire that Cheney had not lit!

Those pro-her invariably cite her foreign affairs experience. Yes. She had plenty of voice in foreign affairs. She applauded when Egypt burned, when Libya was bombed, as the Yemeni regime was/is - well, maybe will be - changed, and although she didn't get her outspoken wish to bomb Syria because they were saved by her obsessive nemesis Putin, she probably broke down in tears. And a lot of Parisians have paid the price. Last, but not least, her fellow arch conservative, Victoria Nuland, and she were responsible for the Nazi-led regime change in Ukraine. And all that after she voted for creating the disaster in Iraq.

That's the cross she should bear. Millions of people have and are suffering for Hillary Rodham's expertise as the leader of our foreign policy (with Panetta & Brennan & Nuland, & such incompetents.)
And in her intense discussions with the King of her friendly Saudi regime she couldn't even get driver's licenses for Saudi women. She was a laughing stock in the Middle East.
Even Bush or Trump could not do worse!!!
 
 
+2 # Archie1954 2015-11-23 00:20
MSNBC is not worth watching at the best of times. It is just another MSM with no morals,no ethics and no goal to tell the truth and all of it. I don't waste my time tuning in to such drivel. It isn't worth the effort to watch it!
 
 
+1 # Depressionborn 2015-11-25 22:18
Re It [MSNBC]is just another MSM, Archie1954

Nope, it's worse. The interesting question is how did it become so bad?
 

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