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Taibbi writes: "So two yahoos from Southie in my hometown of Boston severely beat up a Hispanic homeless guy earlier this week. While being arrested, one of the brothers reportedly told police that 'Donald Trump was right, all of these illegals need to be deported.'"

Donald Trump. (photo: AP)
Donald Trump. (photo: AP)


Donald Trump Just Stopped Being Funny

By Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone

22 August 15

 

Win or lose, Trump's campaign threatens to unleash the Great American Stupid

o two yahoos from Southie in my hometown of Boston severely beat up a Hispanic homeless guy earlier this week. While being arrested, one of the brothers reportedly told police that "Donald Trump was right, all of these illegals need to be deported."

When reporters confronted Trump, he hadn't yet heard about the incident. At first, he said, "That would be a shame." But right after, he went on:

"I will say, the people that are following me are very passionate. They love this country. They want this country to be great again. But they are very passionate. I will say that."

This is the moment when Donald Trump officially stopped being funny.

The thing is, even as Donald Trump said and did horrible things during this year's incredible run at the White House, most sane people took solace in the fact that he could never win. (Although new polls are showing that Hillary's recent spiral puts this reassuring thought into jeopardy.)

In fact, most veteran political observers figured that the concrete impact of Trump's candidacy would be limited in the worst case to destroying the Republican Party as a mainstream political force.

That made Trump's run funny, campy even, like a naughty piece of pornographic performance art. After all, what's more obscene than pissing on the presidency? It seemed even more like camp because the whole shtick was fronted by a veteran reality TV star who might even be in on the joke, although of course the concept was funnier if he wasn't.

Trump had the whole country rubbernecking as this preposterous Spaulding Smails caricature of a spoiled rich kid drove the family Rolls (our illustrious electoral process in this metaphor) off the road into a ditch. It was brilliant theater for a while, but the ugliness factor has gotten out of control.

Trump is probably too dumb to realize it, or maybe he isn't, but he doesn't need to win anything to become the most dangerous person in America. He can do plenty of damage just by encouraging people to be as uninhibited in their stupidity as he is.

Trump is striking a chord with people who are feeling the squeeze in a less secure world and want to blame someone – the government, immigrants, political correctness, "incompetents," "dummies," Megyn Kelly, whoever – for their problems.

Karl Rove and his acolytes mined a lot of the same resentments to get Republicans elected over the years, but the difference is that Trump's political style encourages people to do more to express their anger than just vote. The key to his success is a titillating message that those musty old rules about being polite and "saying the right thing" are for losers who lack the heart, courage and Trumpitude to just be who they are.

His signature moment in a campaign full of them was his exchange in the first debate with Fox's Kelly. She asked him how anyone with a history of calling women "fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals" could win a general election against a female candidate like Hillary Clinton.

"I've been challenged by so many people," Trump answered. "I frankly don't have time for political correctness. And to be honest with you, the country doesn't have time either….We don't win anymore. We lose to China. We lose to Mexico….We lose to everybody."

On the surface, Kelly was just doing her job as a journalist, throwing Trump's most outrageous comments back at him and demanding an explanation.

But on another level, she was trying to bring Trump to heel. The extraction of the humiliating public apology is one of the media's most powerful weapons. Someone becomes famous, we dig up dirt on the person, we rub it in his or her nose, and then we demand that the person get down on bended knee and beg forgiveness.

The Clintons' 1992 joint interview on 60 Minutes was a classic example, as was Anthony Weiner's prostration before Andrew Breitbart and Chris Christie's 107-minute marathon apologia after Bridgegate. The subtext is always the same: If you want power in this country, you must accept the primacy of the press. It's like paying the cover at the door of the world's most exclusive club.

Trump wouldn't pay the tab. Not only was he not wrong for saying those things, he explained, but holding in thoughts like that is bad for America. That's why we don't win anymore, why we lose to China and to Mexico (how are we losing to Mexico again?). He was saying that hiding forbidden thoughts about women or immigrants or whoever isn't just annoying, but bad for America.

It's not exactly telling people to get out there and beat people with metal rods. But when your response to news that a couple of jackasses just invoked your name when they beat the crap out of a homeless guy is to salute your "passionate" followers who "love this country," you've gone next-level.

The political right in America has been flirting with dangerous ideas for a while now, particularly on issues involving immigrants and minorities. But in the last few years the rhetoric has gotten particularly crazy.

Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert proposed using troops and ships of war to stop an invasion of immigrant children, whom he described as a 28 Days Later-style menace. "We don't even know all of the diseases, and how extensive the diseases are," he said.

"A lot of head lice, a lot of scabies," concurred another Texas congressman, Blake Farenthold.

"I'll do anything short of shooting them," promised Mo Brooks, a congressman from the enlightened state of Alabama.

Then there's Iowa's Steve King, who is unusually stupid even for a congressman. He not only believes a recent Supreme Court decision on gay marriage allows people to marry inanimate objects, but also believes the EPA may have intentionally spilled three million gallons of toxic waste into Colorado's Animas river in order to get Superfund money.

Late last year, King asked people to "surround the president's residence" in response to Barack Obama's immigration policies. He talked about putting "boots on the ground" and said "everything is on the table" in the fight against immigrants.

So all of this was in the ether even before Donald Trump exploded into the headlines with his "They're rapists" line, and before his lunatic, Game of Thrones idea to build a giant wall along the southern border. But when Trump surged in the polls on the back of this stuff, it caused virtually all of the candidates to escalate their anti-immigrant rhetoric.

For example, we just had Ben Carson – who seems on TV like a gentle, convivial doctor who's just woken up from a nice nap – come out and suggest that he's open to using drone strikes on U.S. soil against undocumented immigrants. Bobby Jindal recently came out and said mayors in the so-called "sanctuary cities" should be arrested when undocumented immigrants commit crimes. Scott Walker and Marco Rubio have both had to change their positions favoring paths to citizenship as a result of the new dynamic.

Meanwhile, Rick Santorum, polling at a brisk zero percent, joined Jindal and Lindsey Graham in jumping aboard with Trump's insane plan to toss the 14th Amendment out the window and revoke the concept of birthright citizenship, thereby extending the war on immigrants not just to children, but babies.

All of this bleeds out into the population. When a politician says dumb thing X, it normally takes ‘Murica about two days to start flirting publicly with X + way worse.

We saw that earlier this week, when Iowa radio host Jan Mickelson blew up Twitter by calling for undocumented immigrants to become "property of the state" and put into "compelled labor." When a caller challenged the idea, Mickelson answered, "What's wrong with slavery?"

Why there's suddenly this surge of hatred for immigrants is sort of a mystery. Why Donald Trump, who's probably never even interacted with an undocumented immigrant in a non-commercial capacity, in particular should care so much about this issue is even more obscure. (Did he trip over an immigrant on his way to the Cincinnati housing development his father gave him as a young man?)

Most likely, immigrants are just collateral damage in Trump's performance art routine, which is an absurd ritualistic celebration of the coiffed hotshot endlessly triumphing over dirty losers and weaklings.

Trump isn't really a politician, of course. He's a strongman act, a ridiculous parody of a Nietzschean superman. His followers get off on watching this guy with (allegedly) $10 billion and a busty mute broad on his arm defy every political and social convention and get away with it.

People are tired of rules and tired of having to pay lip service to decorum. They want to stop having to watch what they say and think and just get "crazy," as Thomas Friedman would put it.

Trump's campaign is giving people permission to do just that. It's hard to say this word in conjunction with such a sexually unappealing person, but his message is a powerful aphrodisiac. Fuck everything, fuck everyone. Fuck immigrants and fuck their filthy lice-ridden kids. And fuck you if you don't like me saying so.

Those of us who think polls and primaries and debates are any match for that are pretty naive. America has been trending stupid for a long time. Now the stupid wants out of its cage, and Trump is urging it on. There are a lot of ways this can go wrong, no matter who wins in 2016.

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+138 # Phillybuster 2015-08-22 12:56
A large part of the problem is that all of the other Republican candidates are so inarticulate, devoid of charisma or even personality, and lacking in humor that they cannot counter Trump's outrageousness with an appropriate riposte. Trump has neutralized all of their dog whistles by stating them up front.

It would take an FDR, JFK, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton or Jon Stewart type of individual to take on Trump and counter his rhetoric. The only candidate who might have been able to do so is Christie but he is now only marginally viable as a candidate. As for Jeb? - need anything more be said.

Churchill once said that you can always count on the Americans to do the right thing after they've tried everything else. I don't think that's true anymore.

The Great American Stupid is here to stay as long as the bread and circuses continue.
 
 
+161 # wrknight 2015-08-22 13:20
It gets really scary when you reflect on the truth of George Carlin's famous quote, "Think how stupid the average person is, then realize that half of 'em are stupider than that."
 
 
+44 # X Dane 2015-08-22 17:36
wrknight.
All the crazies who are taken in by Trump and his trash talk....."I'm building the greatest wall, I'm doing this, I'm doing that?????

He and the yahoos totally forget the pesky fact that we have a CONGRESS, and they can sure put a stop to a lot of things.
Trump is not running for President. He is running for DICTATOR. And that would be a first. I think enough people would nix that. I sure hope so!
 
 
+46 # Farafalla 2015-08-22 18:47
Yes. Trump sneers like Moussolini and even poses like him. He has a lot of il Duce in his provocations and vulgarities. He's a classic Italian fascist.
 
 
+27 # lorenbliss 2015-08-22 21:26
Do not be deluded by the apparent opposition to Trump. Capitalism can survive only by morphing into Nazism. That's why the One Percent has (clandestinely) sought a second Hitler since the Red Army saved us from the first. And now, in the person of Trump, our capitalist overlords have precisely what they want.

Remember too the One Percenters own government at every level, the mass media, all Republican candidates and probably all Democratic candidates. They control the national mentality to a degree not even Josef Goebbels could have imagined, and they are using that control to ensure Trump's success.

As to Mr. Taibbi's bewilderment by Trump's skyrocketing popularity, Mr. Taibbi was apparently never a target of schoolyard bullies. Apparently too he never witnessed the relentless sadism with which USian students mercilessly torment a child who is visibly crippled, as by polio.

Otherwise he would understand such atrocities define this nation. They reveal – as do racism, austerity and wars of extermination – the signature hatefulness of the USian people, who with their prosperity-gosp el Christianity and their Ayn Rand codas of moral imbecility were primed long ago for Nazification. They have been awaiting the second coming of der Fuehrer ever since.

Trump does indeed bring to mind Mussolini. But the Il Duce posturing Agricanto deplores is merely part of the comic-opera facade that hides the unspeakable malevolence of the first true USian Hitler.
 
 
+7 # Corvette-Bob 2015-08-23 19:19
What you say is truly scary. I could see how easily the American political system could become totally unhinged and we could take a wild turn to the right. The old white male population is truly angry and they really want to take up the torches and pitch forks.
 
 
+7 # lorenbliss 2015-08-24 01:51
Yes it is. What most of us have forgotten is the how the USian One Percenters -- who financed the rise of Mussolini in Italy and Hitler in Germany -- also (with German and Italian backing) attempted a fascist coup here in 1934.

Their Bankers Plot (for which Google) was stymied by a genuine patriot, Gen. Smedley Butler USMC, (for whom Google), but it was only because of the Communist Party press -- and probably Soviet intelligence operatives -- the story became enough widely known to embarrass the mainstream press into covering it.

Then of course after World War II the One Percenters got their revenge -- the anti-Communist, anti-socialist, anti-intellectu al purges to ensure there would never again be a true and truly functional Left in the United States, and the Cold War to avenge the Soviet victory in what the Russians aptly call "the Great Patriotic War against Fascism."

Meanwhile the original Bankers Plot perpetrators and their sons and grandsons have been looking for another Hitler ever since.

They've found local Hitlers -- Diem, Pinochet, the colonels of the Greek junta -- but until now they've never had anybody positioned to take over the Empire and complete capitalism's conquest of the globe.

And don't for a minute imagine Trump is not the One Percent's candidate. Look at the savagery of the policies their wholly owned politicians are inflicting on us. "Austerity" is a euphemism for genocide.

If they could resurrect Hitler, they surely would.
 
 
+5 # Dongi 2015-08-24 07:28
A very penetrating view of history with a remarkably long range vision. I must check out the Bankers Plot. I have heard of Gen. Butler. The republicans have quite a lot of control over the Congress, the state legislatures, the governorships and the Supreme Court. With the financial power of the 1% and the control of main street media, the oligarchs are in position to seize all power All they need is the white house. We better make sure they don't get it.
 
 
+2 # lorenbliss 2015-08-24 22:15
Thank you, Dongi.

Most of what was written about the Bankers Plot has been suppressed. Congress investigated, but there were no indictments, and the record was permanently sealed.

I first heard of it from my late father, a Communist during the 1930s. I learned more from two Communists I knew as a young man, both of whom had fought Franco's fascists in Spain.

The plotters intended to oust President Roosevelt -- presumably by military coup, though this was never clear -- then consolidate their victory by turning the American Legion into a domestic SS, which would make up for the U.S. military's post-World-War- I shrunkenness until it was re-expanded to global-conquest size.

The U.S. would have become the (ultimately dominant) partner in a Rome-Berlin-Tok yo-Washington D.C. Axis.

Gen. Butler was to have been the Legion/SS leader and perhaps -- this too is unclear -- the new president. But the plotters did not reckon on his "war-is-a-racke t" patriotism, and he refused them.

Here the story becomes even more muddled. The two Spanish Civil War vets said Soviet agents -- probably GRU (Red Army intelligence) rather than OGPU (KGB) -- already had the plot infiltrated and ensured Butler's ability to expose it via the Communist press.

If true, this would explain one of the mysteries of World War II: why Roosevelt trusted Stalin -- not because FDR was naive, but because Soviet agents had saved the New Deal and his presidency.
 
 
+1 # bmiluski 2015-08-24 12:38
Loren, I really take umbrage with your describing these actions as USian. WRONG...this is typical human behavior and exists in some degree or another in every single country on this planet. To subscribe it to one country is not only naïve but disingenuous.
 
 
+4 # lorenbliss 2015-08-24 21:14
Au contraire, bmiluski.

Start with the extermination of First Nations peoples. Add the millions murdered as "collateral damage" in myriad colonial wars and proxy-wars of economic conquest (think Latin America, Indochina, Korea, the Middle East, Greece, the Balkans, Africa, the Ukraine).

Then add the (uncounted) millions slain by USian capitalism's deadly profiteering (slavery, German Nazism, Italian and Spanish fascism, knowingly defective products [e.g., Ford Pinto], knowingly harmful drugs [e.g., thalidomide], workplace deaths [e.g., Bangladesh]). Remember the One Percenters own most of the world's major corporations.

Add also the slow-motion genocide implicit in the industrial world's most savage policies toward lower-income people. (Think death-dealing welfare “reform,” still more fatalities by denial of health care [including by the calculatedly prohibitive co-pays that define the Obamacare scam], the less-obvious deaths from cuts in food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, cold-weather heating assistance, etc. ad nauseam.)

And don't forget the war of extermination against people of color by the federally militarized police.

All those corpses damn us as our species' most murderous empire ever. Not even Nazi Germany came close.

Maybe that's why the U.S. spawns 75 percent of the world's serial killers. Perhaps they are the ultimate personification of the nation that believes itself to be the one true instrument of the (infinitely vengeful) Abrahamic god.
 
 
+1 # Dongi 2015-08-25 07:03
And one of only a few nations not to ban cluster bombs; only nation to use nuclear weapons against another nation (Japan); huge arsenal of a-bombs and ICBM's.
 
 
+31 # Barbara K 2015-08-22 19:55
You are so correct. I never saw anything funny about this raving bully. He just brings out the mean in people, just by being such a mean bully himself. He is fit to be the President of our wonderful country. He hasn't a decent thing to say about anyone. He knows nothing about diplomacy, or decency. We don't need the country run by his bully voters or this bully POS. We need to bring civility back to the USA. Kick the bullies to the curb.

..
 
 
+5 # universlman 2015-08-24 12:48
I could not agree more. The last person we need to guide this country through the squalls of hate is an angry name caller. Almost nothing would be worse.
 
 
+10 # Activista 2015-08-22 20:29
fuhrer Trump - did Americans learned history/ Germany in 30 ties?
 
 
+26 # Vegan_Girl 2015-08-23 03:19
I find that most Americans don't know American history - let alone exotic stuff such as European history.
 
 
+9 # babaregi 2015-08-23 01:30
Quoting wrknight:
It gets really scary when you reflect on the truth of George Carlin's famous quote, "Think how stupid the average person is, then realize that half of 'em are stupider than that."


Carlin was insightful.

Trump seems to approve of guys beating up homeless Mexicans by saying he has some passionate followers (in response to being informed of a recent beating in the name of his cause).

Does that make it any less of a hate crime (arguably incited by him) ?

Those guys were low-life cowards going after low-hanging fruit.

I didn't see them attacking El Chapo Guzman, the Mexican drug lord, that threatened The Donald. Maybe they will get around to him later when Trump is President.

In the spirit of celebrating Godwin's Law some more in this thread, may I suggest that it might be a good time to buy stock in companies that manufacture brown shirts.
 
 
+1 # Phillybuster 2015-08-23 18:07
My guess is that the two would-be Brown Shirts didn't have Trump in mind when they beat the man. They probably said what they said as an afterthought in trying to justify their actions. That doesn't let Trump off the hook though, especially when he responded as he did.
 
 
+3 # bmiluski 2015-08-24 12:28
And, wrknight, let's not forget that you should never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
 
 
+76 # mim 2015-08-22 14:35
Where are Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert when we need them?
 
 
+57 # Tazio 2015-08-22 15:06
Colbert starts just 2 weeks from Tuesday and says he is delighted to have Trump as a target.
 
 
+2 # Phillybuster 2015-08-23 18:15
I'll be surprised if Colbert doesn't have Stewart on as a guest within the first two weeks of his new show.
 
 
+84 # MainStreetMentor 2015-08-22 14:41
Trump is a loser and a buffoon, however … he’s not the concern we should address. The concern is: WHY people are supporting someone of Trumps ilk.

In essence: Trump primarily makes statements of what he hates, while rarely suppling workable solutions to issues that plague every American. Why would ANYone support that line of thinking, unless they, too, are “don’t-think-it -through-before -acting” types; The non-thinking hothead types; The blindly following “sheep-who-vote ” types. It’s these types who cause so very much lasting damage to the entire fiber of America – and it is they who are supporting Donald Trump.

Trumps’ answer: Incite people – bring them to a higher level of hatred. Let’s be frank: Diplomacy isn’t in Donald Trump’s vocabulary. Statesmanship, and what it means, is totally foreign to Donald Trump and Donald Trump types. Consider, if you will, comparisons of actions during time of great national need, between Donald Trump and: 1. Thomas Jefferson; 2. George Washington, or, 3. John F. Kennedy.

Many see Trump as a spoiled, egotistical hot-head, the kind who would (if elected) NEVER think things through, but demand immediate knee-jerk actions, such as armed conflicts, for any and every “whim” he might imagine or invent.

Be wary, very wary, of Donald Trump – AND all those who voice support for him or those like him. He, and they, spell potential disaster for America.
 
 
-85 # MidwestTom 2015-08-22 16:55
Knee jerk reaction reminds me of the some of Obama's actions.
 
 
+55 # bingers 2015-08-22 17:30
Quoting MidwestTom:
Knee jerk reaction reminds me of the some of Obama's actions.


Knee jerk phony post reminds me of every one of your posts.
 
 
+1 # kalpal 2015-08-23 14:09
Have you ever not been full of hate for Obama?
 
 
+46 # bingers 2015-08-22 17:29
I just read the results of a study of what voters are following whom, and of Trump it showed he has 8% college grads, the lowest number and 60% without even high school diplomas, by far the highest number. So that tells you who and why they support hm.
 
 
+4 # Dongi 2015-08-23 08:16
A lot of the same kind of people became Nazis and dedicated followers of Adolph Hitler. Israel better watch out for Trump or we may have deja vu again.
 
 
+4 # Phillybuster 2015-08-23 18:18
One problem with being President, you can't declare Chapter 11 and start all over again.
 
 
+5 # bmiluski 2015-08-24 12:26
Ronald Reagan, Phillybuster, really???
Ronald Reagan was a B-list actor playing the role of a president. He couldn't even lead a movie.
 
 
+149 # REDPILLED 2015-08-22 13:30
Getting high poll ratings by pandering to intolerance, racism, misogyny, hatred, and warmongering, the stance of all Repulsives Party candidates, shows the utter depravity and moral bankruptcy of the U.S. political system.


This is a chilling reminder of Germany, 1933.
 
 
+152 # tedrey 2015-08-22 13:58
But the surge of Bernie Sanders' campaign shows that there still is a large portion of the American people who haven't lost their sense of direction and their common sense.
 
 
+27 # ericlipps 2015-08-22 15:28
Quoting tedrey:
But the surge of Bernie Sanders' campaign shows that there still is a large portion of the American people who haven't lost their sense of direction and their common sense.

Quote:
The thing is, even as Donald Trump said and did horrible things during this year's incredible run at the White House, most sane people took solace in the fact that he could never win. (Although new polls are showing that Hillary's recent spiral puts this reassuring thought into jeopardy.)
Let's just hope the rivalry between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders doesn't split the Democrats and let some idiot like Trump slither into the White House.
 
 
+34 # mim 2015-08-22 16:20
Which means that if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, vote for her! Even if you have to bring a clothespin. Any Democrat is still better than any Republican.
 
 
+14 # Vegan_Girl 2015-08-23 03:27
That is exactly the attitude that gave us a Democratic Party drifting to the right. I think we should encourage each other to write Bernie in. Better yet, we should talk to the Trump supporters and see if they can see potential in Bernie's platform.

Hillary will not lift a finger for the 99% or the planet. She is beholden to Wall Street, the defense contractors and the 1%.
 
 
+1 # mim 2015-08-24 22:38
It's very sad that we should have such a limited choice, but would you rather deliver the country to the Republicans in order to preserve ypur own purity?

Remember 2000.
 
 
0 # tedrey 2015-08-25 22:14
There are some choices that would be so rotten that we should do all we can not to have to face them. Hillary Clinton or a Republican? Life imprisonment or the death penalty? Let's go all out for Bernie Sanders now and avoid having to face such ghastly alternatives.
 
 
+1 # Corvette-Bob 2015-08-23 19:27
Very truly but approximately 25% of Americans fall into the Trump category. I believe that if a mob showed up at the White House and lynched Obama 15% of Americans would jeer. When Martin Luther King was assassinated, a friend of mine who was in Viet Nam said many of the American soldiers jeered.
 
 
+47 # jazzman633 2015-08-22 16:06
I was wondering if anybody else noticed the similarity. Trump has already professed his xenophobia and militarism, as Hitler did many times. Does anyone think King Donald won't follow through? Is American politics going completely off the rails?
 
 
+20 # Anarchist 23 2015-08-22 19:51
There were plenty of people in Germany who thought Hitler was ridiculous too....and then.......

Is it Fascism yet?
 
 
+5 # Caliban 2015-08-23 00:08
It may be that RSN commenters are overusing the Nazi name- calling. Sure Trump is a pain in the butt (particularly to the GOP establishment). But another Hitler? An absurd, even delusional, abuse of a historical monstrosity that threatens to rob Naziism of its real, historical horror.
 
 
+6 # Dongi 2015-08-23 08:28
Trump is becoming a monstrosity. The Tea Party is even closer to this end. Combine them and watch things go to hell.
 
 
+1 # bmiluski 2015-08-24 12:50
Tell me Caliban, can you not see concentration camps set up for illegal immigrants if trump is elected?
 
 
0 # RZBK 2015-08-24 18:01
No concentration camps for illegal aliens. Trump wants them OUT of this country, NOT to keep them to feed them and take care of them.
Do you know the per capita cost of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of ILLEGAL aliens!!!
Trump knows business costs.
 
 
+55 # suzyskier 2015-08-22 13:48
Well it has been said that those who (I am not quoting verbatim here) forget history are domed to repeat it. Looks like a lot of those on the right haven't studied the history of the 1930's. It's getting really nasty out there. I would bet these people on the right think that could never happen here, sorry but it is happening. Trump is responsible for the hate he spews even if he doesn't think his ___ doesn't stink.
 
 
+71 # Carol R 2015-08-22 13:57
There is a lot going on that makes no sense. How many seniors will vote for either Scott Walker or Senator Marco Rubio?

Here is a quote from the Alliance for Retired Americans:

"Walker’s plan promises to turn Medicaid into a block grant program run by the states, potentially cutting health care for millions of seniors. ...Sen. Rubio’s plan would also turn Medicaid into a block grant program and would make seniors pay more for their coverage by using a “premium support model,” or vouchers, to replace Medicare’s guaranteed benefits.
“The plans put forth by some GOP presidential candidates this week show that older Americans need to listen carefully, because Scott Walker and Marco Rubio would cut health care benefits for seniors,” said Alliance President Barbara J. Easterling.""
 
 
+105 # Dongi 2015-08-22 14:21
I am a senior and there is no way in hell I would vote for Walker or Rubio or any other republican for that matter. I've learned a few things in my many years and one of them is that republicans care only for money and power. Ordinary people just don't count.
 
 
+43 # Carol R 2015-08-22 14:49
I wish the media would spend more time educating people so that they could make intelligent choices when they vote. That isn't happening.

The only thing people really need to know is what each candidate stands for. Getting into personalities and waiting for juicy tidbits of what one candidate says about the other has no place in proper journalism.
 
 
+11 # mim 2015-08-22 14:32
Call me old but don't call me a senior.
 
 
+38 # Radscal 2015-08-22 15:17
Old folks used to be respected and called "elders."

Now we're "the elderly" which is seen as a terminal illness.
 
 
+4 # mim 2015-08-22 16:15
"Elderly" used to refer to people in their 50's or 60's before it became a euphemism for old.
 
 
+62 # Radscal 2015-08-22 15:16
Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is campaigning to make full-up Medicare available to everyone.
 
 
+86 # janie1893 2015-08-22 13:59
Being the main character on an inane reality show is not enough for Donald Trump. He is now intent on spreading a communicable disease throughout the United States. The disease is called hate and it is spreading rapidly. Once infected, you become totally engulfed by it. It is contagious, incurable and destructive.
 
 
+1 # Dongi 2015-08-23 07:54
Really well said. Keep postimg. You have a clear message.
 
 
+74 # Willy M. 2015-08-22 14:00
Ignorance has become the Republican's best way to motivate their "base." From Lee Atwater to Karl Rove and the ascension of Fox "News,"
the R's have been drifting toward the lowest common denominator voter in their party since they began pandering to the far religious right during the Reagan years. Now they have been overtaken by this tactic. But since they no longer have to actually have possession of the WH to effectively put in place the legislation which their overlords, the one-tenth of one per-centers want, this entire campaigning exercise is just theater for the boobs. The R's now control many state governments, governor's mansions, and are well on the way to making the Congressional House their own for a long time to come. While the D's fret and stew and gnash their teeth, they've no plan to motivate their unmotivated voters to overcome this Republican tide of anti-American reactionaries.
Our last resort: Bernie Sanders.
 
 
+52 # Blackjack 2015-08-22 15:52
At this point, Bernie should be our FIRST resort!
 
 
+64 # Brian Flaherty 2015-08-22 14:05
With respect to all of Trump's shenanigans and his "mouth," I can only respond with Tom Arnold's (Roseanne's former husband) comment:

. . .He is “America’s worst nightmare—white trash with money!!!!!”

And, from this nightmare, there just might not be an awakening!
 
 
+62 # reiverpacific 2015-08-22 14:09
This is SO ironic for many reasons but in particular Rughead had the building demolished and replaced as Trump Tower in Manhattan using a large contingent of illegal, mainly Polish labor, easily spotted as they weren't even supplied with hard hats.
He's notorious for "Trumping" up his net worth, which at the time he was claiming to be worth 3b'n, he was in fact -$290m± in the hole and even now, his much "Trumpeted" worth of $10 b'n is more like three.
He's also notorious for not paying companies and people to whom he owes money.
Imaging that in charge of this country? Well, obviously, a lot of people do as the US of Idiotocracy looms ever nearer.
 
 
+76 # 179bennettave 2015-08-22 14:11
Chris Hayes pointed out last night that Trump, despite his rhetoric, is actually a skilled politician who knows how to manipulate his white audience. He wraps himself around the flag, promises imperial greatness for the US and uses racist code language to incite his base against immigrants. Hitler used the same propaganda technique when he incited Germans to realize their imperial greatness once again by crushing the international " Jewish Conspiracy".
 
 
+41 # NAVYVET 2015-08-22 14:28
PLEASE READ! This must be the 6th or 7th time I've posted an essay by sci-fi writer Robert A. Heinlein. It was written in 1952 as the postscript in one of his books, REVOLT IN 2100. I first read this story in 1952 or -53, age 16 or 17, in the deplorable era of McCarthyism and “Moral Re-Armament”. Reading it as a warning helped me break from the Florida fundamentalist church I was attending. I finally discerned its racism, antisemitism, militarism, and their evil influence on young men in the church.

Since RSN doesn't have much space, I'll need to send it as two comments.
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"As for the. . . notion. . . that we could lose our freedom by succumbing to a wave of religious hysteria, I am sorry to say that I consider it possible. I hope that it is not probable. But there is a latent deep strain of religious fanaticism in our culture; it is rooted in our history and it has broken out many times in the past. It is with us now [1952]; there has been a sharp rise in strongly evangelical sects in this country in recent years, some of which hold beliefs theocratic in the extreme, anti-intellectu al, anti-scientific , and anti-libertarian.

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics." [Cont'd]
 
 
+40 # NAVYVET 2015-08-22 14:36
{Cont'd] "Could it be otherwise here? Could any one sect obtain a working majority at the polls and take over the country? Perhaps not--but a combination of a dynamic evangelist, television, enough money, and modern techniques of advertising and propaganda might make Billy Sunday’s efforts look like a corner store. . . Throw in a depression for good measure, promise a material heaven here on earth, add a dash of anti-Semitism, anti-Catholicis m, anti-Negroism, and a good large dose of anti-”furriners ” in general and anti-intellectu als here at home, and the result might be something quite frightening—par ticularly when one recalls that our voting system is such that a minority distributed as pluralities in enough states can constitute a working majority in Washington. . .

"I imagined . . . [brief summary of the background to the story]. [For] storm troopers they revived the Ku Klux Klan in everything but the name. . . It was a “good gimmick” once and it still served. Blood at the polls and blood in the streets, . . . [and the fanatics] won the election. The next election was never held.

"Impossible? . . The capacity of the human mind for. swallowing nonsense and spewing it forth in violent and repressive action has never yet been plumbed."

ROBERT A. HEINLEIN
(October 1952)
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Sadly, when Heinlein got old he succumbed in the 1960s to Herman Kahn, Nixon's man, the prototype of Dr Strangelove, and became a right wing Libertarian Anarchist.
 
 
+28 # Brian Flaherty 2015-08-22 15:10
In 1935, Sinclair Lewis wrote "It Can't Happen Here". . .A demagogue heads up a Fascist plot to take over the US. . .

The current "Masters of the Universe" on Wall Street and Washington DC have been "setting the table" for a number of years (since at least the end of WW II). . .Bush I and his son, "Mad King George" along with Ronnie "Flagwrap" have been figureheads of the movement. Trump & Jeb & Scott (among others) are the next in line. . .Our education system has been undermined and "turned" to deal with the young. . .And, the police and the courts have done their part wonderfully. . .a truly elegant "conspiracy theory!"

Am I being like "Chicken Little" and crying out that "the sky is falling?"

Yup! IF "We, the People" let it! And, "1984" will be the Rule. . .not just a fiction!
 
 
+12 # Charles3000 2015-08-22 17:45
America was founded by peoples escaping religious oppression in England and Europe. That is why the establishment clause is in the first amendment. The founders were mostly deists who believed in God but rejected church doctrines and dogma, refusing to accept the bible as the "word of god". They relied on logic and pragmatic morals.
 
 
0 # reiverpacific 2015-08-22 18:09
Quoting Charles3000:
America was founded by peoples escaping religious oppression in England and Europe. That is why the establishment clause is in the first amendment. The founders were mostly deists who believed in God but rejected church doctrines and dogma, refusing to accept the bible as the "word of god". They relied on logic and pragmatic morals.

And y'r point is?
 
 
0 # RZBK 2015-08-24 20:42
His point is the same as NAVYVET: "It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics.""
 
 
+5 # Art947 2015-08-22 19:19
Quoting Charles3000:
America was founded by peoples escaping religious oppression in England and Europe. That is why the establishment clause is in the first amendment. The founders were mostly deists who believed in God but rejected church doctrines and dogma, refusing to accept the bible as the "word of god". They relied on logic and pragmatic morals.


Except that the early European settlers were not look for freedom of religion on these shores, they were looking to establish THEIR religion in the areas that they settled. William Penn had to move out and set up a new settlement to practice his beliefs, I believe it was Carroll who set up camp in Maryland to give Catholics room to grow. Fortunately the deists came to power when we had our revolution.
 
 
0 # RZBK 2015-08-24 18:22
Politicians, theologians, judges, and constitutional lawyers have debated for centuries what exactly “the separation of church and state” means. If only voters, could remember the division between State and Church, i.e., the respect of different Faiths.

Mark 12:17 Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”

Matthew 22:21 “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”
 
 
+2 # RZBK 2015-08-24 20:22
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from prescribing even those occasional performances of devotion, practiced indeed by the Executive of another nation as the legal head of its church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association assurances of my high respect & esteem."

Thomas Jefferson, letter to the Danbury Baptist Association.
 
 
+1 # RZBK 2015-08-24 20:36
Read also "Our sentiments are uniformly on the side of religious liberty: that religion is at all times and places a matter between God and individuals, that no man ought to suffer in name, person, or effects on account of his religious opinions, [and] that the legitimate power of civil government extends no further than to punish the man who works ill to his neighbor. But sir, our constitution of government is not specific. . . . [T]herefore what religious privileges we enjoy (as a minor part of the State) we enjoy as favors granted, and not as inalienable rights."
Letter of October 7, 1801, from Danbury (CT) Baptist Association to Thomas Jefferson, from the Thomas Jefferson Papers Manuscript Division, Library of Congress, Washington, D. C.

Thomas Jefferson had deep religious convictions, and believed that religion is a very personal matter, one which the government has no business getting involved in. He was vilified by his political opponents for his role in the passage of the 1786 Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom and for his CRITICISM of such biblical events as the Great Flood and the theological age of the Earth (how much more modern that some 2015 republicans). As president, he discontinued the practice started by his predecessors George Washington and John Adams of proclaiming days of fasting and thanksgiving. He was a staunch believer in the separation of church and state. And so am I.
 
 
+8 # mim 2015-08-22 14:28
Donald Trump was never as funny as Sarah Palin, but I agree: this is Trump's Gabby Giffords moment.
 
 
+11 # Dongi 2015-08-22 14:31
Trump may drive the other republican candidates farther and father to the right. Sanders and the democrats may hammer them in various debates and forums. I can see neither side backing down. I can see fighting in the streets. I can see the fascist movemen getting stronger.

Wow! What is going to happen to America? Stay tuned!
 
 
+28 # Radscal 2015-08-22 14:46
Last night, Rachel Maddow devoted much of her show to Donald Trump's speaking engagement in Mobile AL. Of course, she made much of the fact that he "only" half-filled the 50,000 seat stadium, but had to admit that this was the largest turnout short of some of Bernie Sanders' events.

She did unveil some important info. Trump's anti-immigrant policy was written by long-time Alabama Representative, Jeff Sessions. Sessions had previously written Alabama's anti-immigrant law which is by far the most extreme in the country.

I don't know why Trump is aligned with Sessions (or vice versa), but I'd wager that having Alabama's most notorious politician on stage with him helped draw that sizable crowd.
 
 
+24 # dipierro4 2015-08-22 18:10
It is both sad and bizarre: The religiously-dri ven conservatives in the South, rallying around a gambling casino mogul, of all things. The driving force, of course, is their shared bigotry, which overrides all their vast differences.
 
 
-81 # moafu@yahoo.com 2015-08-22 15:42
Great essays, Matt. Don't always agree with you, but have to give you fair hearing. You're brilliant.

HOWEVER, why have you not even commented on the Planned Parenthood actions against fully developed babies by selling their body parts (as tissue) - after they are killed. Where is your courage Matt.
 
 
+9 # kalpal 2015-08-23 14:11
At what point does an essay about Trump need to devolve into your inane, ignorant thoughts about Planned Parenthood?
 
 
-70 # moafu@yahoo.com 2015-08-22 15:47
Went back over Matt's essays and tweets - not a thing about "baby parts" sold as "fetal tissue". This should be a no-brainer for Matt when it comes to jostling words to make it convenient for one's biases.

HEY, MATT. You even had an opinion about "Deflategate" ----
 
 
+53 # reiverpacific 2015-08-22 16:09
Quoting moafu@yahoo.com:
Went back over Matt's essays and tweets - not a thing about "baby parts" sold as "fetal tissue". This should be a no-brainer for Matt when it comes to jostling words to make it convenient for one's biases.

HEY, MATT. You even had an opinion about "Deflategate" ----


Ah -you only respond to yourself I see.
OK, so that tripe about "Selling Baby Parts" is a total myth put about by reactionaries like you and y'r favorite mouthpiece "Fixed" News lie-specialists who pander to those that want to believe such garbage, no matter how fabricated and twisted it is -a reflection on them and their patsies, which is probably why Mr Taibbi has never written about it!
Y'r patter stinks as usual.
 
 
+3 # Vegan_Girl 2015-08-22 19:51
He was a professional athlete before he became a journalist. So, yeah.
 
 
+6 # Dongi 2015-08-23 08:06
Hey moafu, you are not going to get away with your Nazi-type lies on this web site. Go find a rock to crawl under. You don't belong in the sun light.
 
 
+7 # elkingo 2015-08-22 16:03
That's it exactly! The Donald is COMPLETELY full of shit, but he doesn't BULLSHIT. While articulating the darkest thoughts of the many,
he DOES call 'em like he 'sees 'em - it shows and THAT is the draw for so many tired of the traditional American Bullshit Machine regardless of their politics!
 
 
+16 # bingers 2015-08-22 17:38
Quoting elkingo:
That's it exactly! The Donald is COMPLETELY full of shit, but he doesn't BULLSHIT. While articulating the darkest thoughts of the many,
he DOES call 'em like he 'sees 'em - it shows and THAT is the draw for so many tired of the traditional American Bullshit Machine regardless of their politics!


Since 60% of his followers don't even have high school diplomas according to a recent study of all the candidates, it's more likely an indication of their intelligence.
 
 
+7 # dipierro4 2015-08-22 18:16
It is an indication of the deep cultural gap between classes in this country, NOT an indication of intelligence.
 
 
+8 # cymricmorty 2015-08-22 22:51
I'd say it's an indication of willful ignorance, which is not an intellectual high-water mark, no matter the class.
 
 
+20 # egurfein 2015-08-22 16:34
The media, in combination with our failure to educate our ignorant and gullible electorate, has enabled a buffoon, who at times reminds us of the ranting of Adolf Hitler, to have a substantial following. Josef Goebbels' famous line, "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
 
 
+11 # hectormaria 2015-08-22 17:07
Whatever happened to civility, to human values? Trump exemplifies what the 'ugly American' is all about. But, the worse part of this spectacle is that about one-third of the population support his anti-Christian rhetoric.
 
 
+9 # Krackonis 2015-08-22 17:11
So... This is just like Germany in the 1930's... Heinlein nailed it.
 
 
+25 # eddiestinson 2015-08-22 17:11
What kind of critical thinking does someone possess or use who would seriously think Iran would commit immediate national suicide if it launched a single missile at Israel regardless of its war head. Israel would know immediately when it left the ground and given its history of overkill -- good-bye millions of innocents.

The Kochs and partners in crime aren't stupid. They are pouring untold amounts of money supporting a party that insults women, gays, minorities, immigrants; fights gun control, so on, all the while working to cripple our government even more, refusing to rebuild our infrastructure and schools, social programs; forgiveness for corporate wrong-doing; global warming denial, etc., all the while clamoring for more billions for an obscene military, so we can attack, Iran, Russia, and no doubt China, planning for more catastrophes behind closed doors.

And because of corporate control over media, the plan is, people of voting age will ignore the insanity and vote for them. If things don't change you can probably fill in the rest. Welcome to 1984.
 
 
+10 # Art947 2015-08-22 19:28
The critical thinking that you reference is the path that has created the biggest military-indust rial complex in history. We have bankrupted the American economy by building weaponry ad infinitum (or is it ad nauseum?) Trillions of dollars are wasted on the creation of weaponry that should never be used. How much money has been spent on nuclear weaponry since the end of WWII? Note that it is impossible to use any of those weapons. When we were in a "cold war" with the USSR, the idea of using those weapons was considered MAD (mutually assured destruction). When will we grew up?
 
 
0 # Dongi 2015-08-23 08:09
Looks like we are
 
 
0 # Dongi 2015-08-23 08:11
Looks like we are MAD again. Got to get working on my shelter.
 
 
+10 # angelfish 2015-08-22 19:30
Trump has NEVER been funny. He is a Bully with a big Wad of Money, a teeny, tiny little brain (that probably goes along with his genitals) and an enormous ego . He is, otherwise, an EMPTY suit. All his woman have been Morons or Social Climbers who used him as much as he used them. Spoiled by his wealthy Daddy, he never really worked a day in his life, consequently he knows NOTHING of the struggles of hard-working Americans. He is a Publicity Junkie who has NOTHING to say and NO REAL Plans to return this country to the respected World Power it ONCE was. He is the Death Knell for the ReTHUGlican Party since, as their front runner, he is calling the shots and setting the agenda. WHO, on God's Green Earth gives a good God Damn WHAT Donald Trump thinks, or says, or does? He is NOTHING and adds NOTHING to this country's Political Landscape except division, depravity, inciting to commit assault and murder and VERY little else! He is NOTHING but Tragi-comic relief BUT if the Media has anything to do with it, he just MIGHT become our WORST Nightmare. The mere fact that he has garnered as much attention from the Lame Stream Media speaks VOLUMES to the depths to which American Politics, as well as the Media, has sunk. God Help us and save us from mediocrities like "the Donald"!
 
 
+8 # NYCBruce 2015-08-22 20:56
The greatest danger of the "Trump surge" is that once he implodes, any one of the other GOP candidates will look "good" by comparison, allowing one of them to potentially sneak into the White House by default.

Although Trump is indeed the head fool, forget about him for a minute. Now think what it would REALLY mean if Walker, Bush, Cruz, Carson, one of the "Ricks" (Perry or Santorum), Huckabee, Graham. Jindal, Fiorina, Christie, Rubio, or Paul were to occupy the White House! (Actually, there are no less than 39 "announced candidates" for the Republican nomination, although some are so obscure to simply be nuisances.) But don't let a GOP lowest common denominator take advantage of the current buffoonery. Remain ever vigilant, and keep Democracy alive!
 
 
+4 # Caliban 2015-08-23 00:38
Is Trump really worse than the crowd of establishment GOP candidates listed above? I say better Trump than Walker, Bush (another one !?), Cruz etc? Of course, I won't vote for any of these clowns, but Trump is not the bottom of this pile.
 
 
+3 # PABLO DIABLO 2015-08-22 22:48
Matt--- The United States has always been bat-shit crazy. The Republicans just let it out of the closet. If gays can come out, Transgender is out, Why can't the crazies come out/be themselves. The real problem is that THE DONALD and Bernie Sanders are the only candidates speaking from the heart. All the rest are corporate wind up robots and the public is sick of them. After the most successful "divide and conquer" in the history of the human race , we are either for Bernie or THE DONALD. The worry is which one will win.
 
 
0 # cordleycoit 2015-08-22 23:15
Trump is not ever been a funny guy. He's the fixer or closer for Bush. Budh will have a Latino partner and th GOP might even win because Hillery is so weak.
 
 
+7 # Pancho 2015-08-23 05:13
Trump, it would appear, is affliced with Tourette's Syndrome.

I'm much more concerned about Ted Cruz, who is sucking up to Trump, hoping that The Donald's "constituency" of mouth breathers will come over to him after the inevitable meltdown.

Cruz is VERY bright, and consequently much more dangerous than most of these 18 or so other wankers.
 
 
+2 # BKnowswhitt2 2015-08-23 06:44
To stay on subject no matter how big a dumb ass Trump is you cannot blame him for the actions of a couple of thugs. Do you expect me to believe that those two would not have done what they did if Donald Trump was not talking about immigrations or illegals? Pure nonsense .. Trump is responsible for what he says independant of what the two thugs did .. and on the subject of Trump and his singling out of hispanics .... same thing Reagan did to win in '80 blaming Blacks on Welfare for why you dumb poor white working class fools don't have any money .. so two different subjects unrelated to actions carried out by two thugs ..
 
 
+2 # dascher 2015-08-23 17:28
Trump IS clearly responsible for his remarks about these two thugs' actions. Read what Taibbi wrote.
 
 
0 # BKnowswhitt2 2015-08-24 08:37
Show me anywhere in writing and valid source where Trump either condones attacking immigrants and/or any actions like that of US Citizens against people .. condoning the act or violence .. so don't get your panties in a wad .. politics is a blame game on both sides of the fence ..
 
 
+1 # angelfish 2015-08-30 13:50
Quoting BKnowswhitt2:
To stay on subject no matter how big a dumb ass Trump is you cannot blame him for the actions of a couple of thugs. Do you expect me to believe that those two would not have done what they did if Donald Trump was not talking about immigrations or illegals? Pure nonsense .. Trump is responsible for what he says independant of what the two thugs did .. and on the subject of Trump and his singling out of hispanics .... same thing Reagan did to win in '80 blaming Blacks on Welfare for why you dumb poor white working class fools don't have any money .. so two different subjects unrelated to actions carried out by two thugs ..

You certainly CAN hold him responsible when it was HE who inspired their murderous behavior! The Fool is a loose cannon! Pray he doesn't ever disparage someone from your ethnic background or ANYONE'S, for that matter! He is making this country a Laughing Stock and DESTROYING whatever decent reputation or esteem our Allies EVER held us in! Declaring Bankruptcy FOUR (4) times to weasel out of paying his debts! WHAT would he do if he gained the White House? I shudder to think!
 
 
+3 # Latinoman 2015-08-23 11:18
You're right, Matt. This is not funny anymore. Trump is a dangerous lunatic who inspires thugs into action. We immigrants need to be prepared to comply with the duty of defending our family and property.
 
 
+3 # kalpal 2015-08-23 14:12
Trump is out for Trump, not for this nation.
 
 
+3 # noramorse 2015-08-23 16:48
Trump is our answer to Hitler. Immigrants are the new Jews, communists, homosexuals and gypsies responsible for all our problems. Perhaps in November we could attack all their businesses, break all the windows. Call it noche de cristal.
 
 
-3 # Robbee 2015-08-23 17:02
zomblican troll alert! beware! # Vegan Girl 2015-08-23 03:27 "That is exactly the attitude that gave us a Democratic Party drifting to the right. I think we should encourage each other to write Bernie in. Better yet, we should talk to the Trump supporters and see if they can see potential in Bernie's platform.
"Hillary will not lift a finger for the 99% or the planet. She is beholden to Wall Street, the defense contractors and the 1%."

- trump leading the zomblican party is no excuse for writing-in bernie! - trump is only the best excuse for voting for hill - writing-in any progressive candidate IS A VOTE FOR TRUMP, OR WHATEVER ZOMBIE THE ZOMBLICAN PARTY NOMINATES!

smarten-up, girl, you are not listening to bernie, if you like writing-in progressives, write in your own effing name - don't use bernie as your excuse for conduct he hates - you writing him in and electing the zomblican!
 
 
-1 # Robbee 2015-08-23 17:15
re : # GreenBee 2015-08-12 07:31
"I am so glad that there is so much enthusiasm for Bernie. But why do so many here assume that his attempts at change will not be obstructed in the same way as Obama's were by the same forces that obstructed them?

"I would love to see Bernie elected but he cannot change much unless Progressives, liberals and Dems start taking back the House and keep the Senate too. That means getting excited in the midterms and getting the base to the polls between presidential races something we do not seem to be motivated enough to do.

"We can get public funding of federal elections if we do this. That is the only thing will bring big change short of violent revolution."

- thank you, thank you, thank you, bee, for listening to bernie, and his demand for public funding, only of all federal, state and local elections (if you followed his comments after rahm emmanuel bought the chicago election, outspending his opponent 4 to 1, i believe you will understand why public funding, only, should extend to state and local elections, too!)

most folks here support bernie but don't bother to pay attention to what he says -

it's like girl, above, who doesn't get why bernie caucuses with dems, votes with dems, runs as a dem, and so, girl wants us to pledge to write-in bernie, to help elect a zomblican - begone zomblican troll!

too many here listen to bernie until he demands public funding or hates pointless gestures that get zombies elected!
 
 
0 # Corvette-Bob 2015-08-23 19:31
NEWS FLASH. Trump picks running mate. Kim Kardashian. (Sorry I do not know how to spell her name, I never watched the show.)
 
 
0 # GreenBee 2015-08-25 13:05
I'll bet on a Trump-Trump ticket with his son as the running mate.
 
 
-1 # RZBK 2015-08-24 14:02
#1. I would like Bernie to be the President.
#2. Trump is 95% right about the illegal aliens.
Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Immigrant" is like calling a Drug Dealer an "Unlicenced Pharmacist".
OK, maybe that's a bit much, but why are we AFRAID of correctly calling "Illegal Aliens" what they are: they are here ILLEGALLY!
There is a HUGE difference between a "refugee" --person who is outside their home country because they have suffered (or feared) persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, or political opinion; because they are a member of a persecuted social category of persons; or because they are fleeing a war-- and Undocumented Immigrants or Illegal Aliens.
In American English, using "alien" is correct (from Latin "alienus" ‘belonging to another’): alien means belonging to people from a foreign country or nation of Earth (and yes, also from outer space).
Let's follow LEGITIMATE IMMIGRATION PRECEDURES : let's honor Truth & Legitimacy and let's not be confused by stigmatizing irrelevant discrimination.
Migrating to America legally is, and should be, a thorough procedure meant to protect the interests of American citizens. It involves more than simply jumping a fence and heading north in pursuit of free health care, education, food stamps, and other handouts paid for by U.S. taxpayers.
 
 
0 # GreenBee 2015-08-25 13:22
Although I agree with much of what you say here, what Trump and his supporters may be mistaken about is how big the problem of immigration is currently. Government stats are telling us that immigration has been way down over the past 10 years including illegals. Can we believe these figures? I can't say for sure, but given Trump's record I can't help but think that his immigration obsession is a form of race-baiting. After all this was the guy who had his panties in a knot for 8 years over Obama's birth certificate, feigning concern over his "illegitimate" presidency when he never had a word to say about W's "illegitimate" presidency.

My guess is that the illegals and legals who came during the last half of the 20th century have multiplied, so that we now have a country that is looking less and less white and that really bothers some folks. So Trump is exploiting the fears and prejudices of those who are increasingly uncomfortable with the larger population of non-whites in the US.
There are lots of reasons why the US is not "as great as it used to be" and illegal immigration is likely way down on the list. There are so many more important factors on which he has nothing of intelligence or value to say.
 
 
+1 # medusa 2015-08-25 13:45
Those who are coming over the border aren't the kind of people Trump said they were, and they aren't being sent by the Mexican government.
The tough job is to help Mexico become a country that people don't want to leave. Better to do this than spend the treasure in the Middle East.
 
 
0 # GreenBee 2015-08-25 13:55
Medusa, I so agree. We spend billions in the Middle East and right on our border is a hot bed of drug violence and poverty.
 

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