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Boardman writes: "By condemning Saudi and others' use of US cluster bombs, Costa Rica is an exception among the 'civilized' nations of the world. Costa Rica is one of 116 current signatories to the Convention on Cluster Munitions, which entered into force on August 1, 2010. Most countries in Europe and North America have signed the convention, but the United States and Russia have not."

Houthi rebels pose with a US-made cluster bomb shell in northern Yemen. (photo: Peter Salisbury/VICE)
Houthi rebels pose with a US-made cluster bomb shell in northern Yemen. (photo: Peter Salisbury/VICE)

Saudis Drop US-Made Cluster Bombs in Criminal War on Yemen

By William Boardman, Reader Supported News

10 April 15


Saudi-American rogue state alliance flouts global decency norms

osta Rica condemns Saudi Arabia’s dropping US-made cluster bombs on Yemen, in defiance of international law, including the Convention on Cluster Munitions that specifically outlaws the development, production, distribution, stockpiling, and use of cluster munitions, including the cluster bombs the Saudis have used since March 26 in their uncontested air attack on Yemen with an estimated 215 jet fighters from nine countries. (The Saudis are also bombing people in Syria and Iraq.)

Human Rights Watch presented evidence of the Saudi cluster-bombing campaign in a widely under-reported analysis presented May 3. The New York Times had a story datelined Cairo on page A8 of its May 3 print edition covering the Human Rights Watch report, but the paper has had no follow-up. The online version of the Times story noted, near the end, that both the Saudis and Americans have used cluster bombs in Yemen as long ago as 2009, without provoking significant protest.

Amnesty International issued a report May 8 documenting Saudi bombing of densely-populated areas of Yemen where the Saudis mostly killed civilians. An earlier Amnesty report documented the Saudi killing of hundreds of Yemeni civilians in its US-supported bombing campaign. Also on May 8, the Saudis announced that it would begin a unilateral ceasefire beginning at 11 p.m. on May 12, conveniently timed to precede meetings of President Obama and Arab dictatorship representatives, including the five countries leading the attacks on Yemen, starting May 13.

Cluster munitions are a particularly hideous weapon of war, designed primarily to kill people indiscriminately, both immediately and for years after they have been dispersed. Anti-personnel cluster munitions, whether delivered by air or artillery, burst in mid-air, spreading submunitions or bomblets that can remain lethal for years, as they have, for examples, in Viet-Nam, the Falklands, Chechnya, Croatia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Georgia, Libya, Syria, and now Yemen.

By condemning Saudi and others’ use of US cluster bombs, Costa Rica is an exception among the “civilized” nations of the world. Costa Rica is one of 116 current signatories to the Convention on Cluster Munitions, which entered into force on August 1, 2010. Most countries in Europe and North America have signed the convention, but the United States and Russia have not. Neither have China or Israel. Nor has the coalition of Arab dictatorships attacking Yemen: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, Egypt, Sudan, and Morocco. (Among Middle East countries, the only ones that have forsworn cluster bombs are Lebanon, Palestine, and Iraq.)

Cluster munitions help hold down the cost of global militarism

The United States position, as expressed in 2011 by the Heritage Foundation, is a morally duplicitous defense of American militarism ability to do whatever it considers its imperial necessity:

The Convention on Cluster Munitions is a misbegotten treaty that neither advances the laws of war nor enhances security. It is an unverifiable, unenforceable, all-or-nothing exercise in moral suasion, not a serious diplomatic instrument. It creates perverse incentives for insurgents to use civilian populations as human shields, undermines effective arms control efforts, inhibits nation-states’ ability to defend themselves, and denigrates the sovereignty of the United States and other democratic states.

The U.S. should emphatically reject both the convention and the undemocratic Oslo Process that produced it and should instead continue to negotiate a realistic and enforceable protocol on cluster munitions that balances U.S. military requirements with the humanitarian concerns posed by unexploded ordnance.

This thoughtless think tank expression of the establishmentariat’s view of the need for heavily-muscled US exceptionalism had been expressed considerably more forthrightly in May 2008 by then-Acting Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs Stephen Mull:

Cluster munitions are available for use by every combat aircraft in the U.S. inventory, they are integral to every Army or Marine maneuver element and in some cases constitute up to 50 percent of tactical indirect fire support. U.S. forces simply cannot fight by design or by doctrine without holding out at least the possibility of using cluster munitions.

What that really means is that cluster munitions cost a lot less than standard ordnance, so the military can kill lots more people with many fewer airplanes, rockets, and artillery. In one test, the alternative to cluster munitions was found to be nine times as expensive and to take 40 times as long to create equivalent destruction.

Current US policy relies on diversion and moral obtuseness

The US State Department spins the issue along the lines of moral relativism, as well as irrelevance, by bringing in landmines (unexploded cluster bombs become, in effect, landmines) – without mentioning that the US is NOT among the 162 signatories to the landmine treaty of 1997 (along with China, Egypt, Iran, Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia and 26 others). The publicly stated US policy on “Cluster Munitions” is, in its entirety, morally bankrupt:

The United States shares in the international concern about the humanitarian impact of the indiscriminate use of all munitions, including cluster munitions. That is one of the reasons that it spends more than any other country to eliminate the risk to civilians from landmines and all explosive remnants of war, including unexploded cluster munitions.

Cluster munitions have demonstrated military utility. Their elimination from U.S. stockpiles would put the lives of its soldiers and those of its coalition partners at risk. Moreover, cluster munitions can often result in much less collateral damage than unitary weapons, such as a larger bomb or larger artillery shell would cause, if used for the same mission.

The essential perversity of US policy is demonstrated by its banning the export of almost all cluster munitions, but allowing export of the CBU-105 that is used in Yemen on the basis of the humanitarian argument that this state-of-the-art cluster munition has a lower failure rate than earlier designs. The CBU-105 is banned under the Convention on Cluster Munitions as posing an unacceptable risk to civilians.

Financing of cluster munitions manufacturing is predominantly American. In 2012, Pax Christi found that of 137 cluster-munition financing institutions, 63 were US-based, followed by South Korea with 22 and China with 16. Together these banks and others invested more than $43 billion in cluster bomb makers during 2009-2012. Among the leading US-based investors in cluster bombs are AIG, Wells Fargo Bank, JP Morgan Chase, and Goldman Sachs. Investment in cluster bomb making continues to grow worldwide, according to Pax Christi. Two years ago, companies that make cluster munitions thought they were feeling some heat and thought there was jeopardy to their profits from “a global advocacy campaign that targets manufacturers of military hardware,” according to National Defense, NDIA’s Business and Technology Magazine. In an April 2012 article, the magazine fretted about the possibility of no more war, according to senior fellow Steven Groves at the Heritage Foundation, attacking Code Pink and others, arguing that they:

… don’t like drones because they’re a projection of American power. But if you ban drones, you’d have to also ban cruise missiles and F-16 fighter aircraft…. You start with the most unpopular weapons and you work your way back. You attack the munitions, the depleted uranium, the drones, all the way to tanks and soldiers. Antiwar activists want to ban war by banning all weapons of war.

That threat still hasn’t materialized.

Meanwhile the Saudis lie, bomb, and kill with US blessings

Search for “cluster bombs” on the Saudi Embassy website, then wait quite awhile, and eventually it tells you: “This webpage is not available.” Chances seem good that a Saudi webpage about cluster bombs has never been available. Search for “Yemen” and you get the same result online. On the ground in Yemen you can find Saudi cluster bombs all too easily, but that is reality, and reality for the Saudi dictatorship is a variable that must be carefully and unscrupulously manipulated.

Even though the Saudi site search finds no “Yemen,” the Saudi Embassy Public Affairs page of May 8 featured a Yemen story of May 6, accusing Yemenis of attacking Saudi civilians, under the headline: Four killed, eleven injured in shelling from Yemen

That story, in its entirety, reads: “A spokesman of the civil defense in Najran Province announced today that four people we killed and eleven injured as a result of shelling originating from Yemen. The spokesman said that shells have hit a civilian targets.”

The rest of the sanitized Saudi propaganda version of its illegal, aggressive war on Yemen is covered on another page for “Operation Decisive Storm” that begins with one Orwellian headline on March 25 – Saudi Arabia launches military operations in support of legitimate Yemeni government – and ends with another on May 4 – Saudi Arabia to establish unified coordination relief center for Yemen.

The so-called “relief center” doesn’t appear to be a “center” at all, but refers to promised Saudi efforts to consult with its co-aggressors and with donor nations to coordinate the delivery of international human relief aid already waiting to go to Yemen but delayed by the continuing Saudi bombing campaign. The Saudis already control the unchallenged air war that is devastating a defenseless Yemen, the poorest country in the region. Now, as they make it clear in their May 4 press release, the Saudis are determined to decide which Yemenis get fed and which starve:

Minister [of Foreign Affairs Adel bin Ahmed] Al-Jubeir said that Saudi Arabia is consulting with coalition members and all countries supporting the coalition’s efforts in Yemen in order to determine specific areas in Yemen where humanitarian aid to be delivered. The foreign minister added that all air operations would cease at specific times in these areas to allow the delivery of relief supplies….

Mr. Al-Jubeir warned that Houthi militias and forces loyal to former Yemen President Ali Abdullah Saleh will try to exploit the ceasefire and prevent the people of Yemen from receiving aid. He reiterated that Saudi Arabia will respond to any violations of this ceasefire by resuming air attacks targeted at Houthi militia groups.

Waging aggressive war with cluster bombs is a war crime within a crime against humanity, not that there is much international outrage at these US-supported atrocities. The Houthis in Yemen are a designated despised minority, like the Jews of Europe or the Armenians of Anatolia, and if the world ever cares, it will be a belated, contrived contrition too late to matter to the dying and dead now.

William M. Boardman has over 40 years of experience in theatre, radio, TV, print journalism, and non-fiction, including 20 years in the Vermont judiciary. He has received honors from Writers Guild of America, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, Vermont Life magazine, and an Emmy Award nomination from the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences.

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+22 # Radscal 2015-05-10 12:00
“Among the leading US-based investors in cluster bombs are AIG, Wells Fargo Bank, JP Morgan Chase, and Goldman Sachs.”

This is important to understand. The International Finance Industry learned well over a century ago that they could make fortunes by “investing” in all sides of all military conflicts. Yes, the arms manufacturers make a ton of money, but they usually only sell their wares to some of the countries/group s.

Similarly, trans-national corporations in the resource extraction industries make a ton of money sucking out oil or digging up lithium, gold or uranium, but only in those lands where they have operations. But the Finance Industry makes money no matter where or by whom the resource plundering is done.

The “military/indus trial complex” is a tripartite of Finance, Weaponry and Extraction, but finance is the head of that snake. And, the Finance Industry makes profits from all sides, regardless of who "wins."
+20 # WBoardman 2015-05-10 12:05
Amen to all that, Radscal –
finance, the world of Prescott Bush and the Nazis....

And here's where I hit a wall: trying to identify who
actually makes cluster munitions – I searched and searched
and ran out of time without getting a single specific names,
out of presumably dozens or hundreds of bomb-makers.
+6 # Floe 2015-05-10 13:07
Oh good on you! That is a great idea. Well something needs to be uncovered then, you can best believe that!
+12 # REDPILLED 2015-05-10 13:34
See these resources:

Financial Firms Invested $27 Billion In Cluster Bomb Makers, Report Shows

U.S. Weapon Manufacturers Feeling the Wrath of Arms-Control Activists

CorpWatch : Lockheed, General Dynamics Face UK Bank Boycott Over Cluster Bombs

America Steps Up Investment In Global Cluster Bomb Trade

Landmine and Cluster Munition Monitor
+8 # Merlin 2015-05-10 14:01
WBoardman 2015-05-10 12:05

"I hit a wall: trying to identify who actually makes cluster munitions"

We need a whistleblower. Or at least a leaker who works at making these horrendous devices. There has got to a ton of them out there who know what they are producing. I would suspect the security level would be much lower than the NSA. (Do all machinists have to have a high security level to work on their manufacture?)
+11 # Radscal 2015-05-10 14:40
Decades ago a friend of mine offered me some work in his wood shop. He'd gotten a contract to build some jigs.

They had to be made of wood and fastened entirely without metal fastenings. And the specs were in the 0.0001's of an inch! We laughed about that since just the humidity changes in the room would warp wood beyond those specs.

But, it was good money and a challenge, so we did it.

Only when we delivered them did we learn the actual buyer was Raytheon and that the jigs were for building parts of those radomes on command aircraft for controlling airborne communications. That's why they had to be completely non-magnetic.

We never learned what specific types of aircraft they were for, but some years later, I read about the E-3 (like the mysterious white jet that was circling the Pentagon before it got hit on 9/11).

So, compartmentaliz ation allows for people to manufacture parts of secret military equipment without having clearance.
+12 # Merlin 2015-05-10 14:28
Radscal 2015-05-10 12:00

Wow! Radscal Your post here lights up the firmament! You not only have concisely zeroed in on the whole, or big, picture of what is going on, but you make it absolutely clear who it is we need to be uncovering and fighting.

You note:

“…finance is the head of that snake. And, the Finance Industry makes profits from all sides, regardless of who "wins."

And a vicious snake it is! I believe we need to emphasize finding the people involved in the cabal who, through their tool of money, is attempting to rule the whole world. In my view the corporations are a veil behind which they hide, (like “The man behind the curtain” in the Wizard of Oz,) and through which they carry out that agenda of power and control.

As WBoardman notes:

“finance, the world of Prescott Bush and the Nazis….”

This has been going on for a long time, largely unknown. It is way past time for the exposure and worldwide condemnation of these vicious psychopaths.
+10 # Floe 2015-05-10 13:06
Can you believe we still live in a world where people kill other people deliberately?
+3 # bibi 2015-05-10 20:05
Just so they can live a luxurious life.
+4 # Anonymot 2015-05-10 13:40
I don't see why America should sign the anti-cluster bomb Treaty. Hitler wouldn't have signed. Why should we?
+8 # nogardflow 2015-05-10 18:11
I gave you a thumbs up Anonymot, because I recognized the snark in your comment.
+5 # Diane_Wilkinson_Trefethen_aka_tref 2015-05-10 19:55
+16 # jdd 2015-05-10 14:23
If the Saudi are guilty of war-crimes, than so is President Obama, who has committed US logistical assistance to the Saudi bombing campaign every step of the way. That's who he is.. No excuses.The US ie now training the Nazi militiamen in Ukraine Happy V-E Day.
+7 # bibi 2015-05-10 20:10
Only Obama? What about US before Obama, and all the Imperialists and Communists of the past and present, what about Israel?
+4 # Archie1954 2015-05-10 14:59
"Two have not". One is a superpower and the other a potential superpower. I guess they want to keep the right to shred people to themselves.
+12 # ChrisCurrie 2015-05-10 15:00
The only people in Yemen who have been benefiting from the US-supported Saudi air attacks have the El Qaeda in Yemen forces. Saudi Arabia falsely claims to be concerned about giving "humanitarian aid" to the victims of their bombing, but by blowing up the airfield runways needed for humanitarian missions to land their aircraft, they have demonstrated that they really don't give a damn about delivering humanitarian aid.
With "allies" like that, who needs more enemies?
+6 # RY25L 2015-05-10 15:11
Well this sounds like a Saudi Royal Family end game. They bribed radicals for decades to leave them untouched but it sounds like ISIS isn't playing by the old rules when they can just as easily overthrow this small Royal Family and take over the entire country.

The fact Saudis are using cluster bombs and are fighting now all over the region, means the Saudi Royals feel their whole gig is about up.

They probably have even cancelled some of the vacation junkets to London as ISIS is basically closing in on them.

Head bowing Obama and kissing and hand holding Bush family members must be flushed with fear since this could be a Carter/Iran collapse situation but against a bunch of nut jobs that make all anti royal opposition groups look like children at a day care facility.

This has the makings of a Mini WWIII since the West will not let that easy to access Saudi oil go so freely to ISIS INC.

The Saudis are not gonna be able to do this alone for much longer without the West providing them a lot more than just cluster bombs.

The startling fact is the Western media simply has not understood that this Saudi panic response is off scale for them.

ISIS won't accept Saudi cash to leave them alone as was done in the past with threatening radical islamic factions that could not be easily subdued with beheadings.

ISIS wants the whole "oily" enchilada and figures they have the big MO and the ability to do it. Obama/Jeb Bush/ Cameron..your turn.
+12 # Radscal 2015-05-10 18:24
Members of the Saudi royal family (and those of Qatar, Jordan and the UAE) have been funding, arming and training ISIL from the start.

Meanwhile, ISIL is allowed to "capture" heavy weaponry "left behind by fleeing" Iraqi military, while Saudi Arabia bombs the shit out of any military facility the Houthi capture in Yemen. And the Saudis are NOT bombing ISIL just a few miles away from the residential neighborhoods their jets are "shock and awing" in Yemen.

Meanwhile, the U.S. is caught airlifting weapons and food to ISIL (which they initially denied, but then said "oops, silly me" when films of the airdrops were released).

Meanwhile, Israel is providing medical care and air support to ISIL in Syria.

ISIL, like al Qaeda before it, is the "boots on the ground" for NeoCon-planned "regime changes."
-16 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-10 16:26
As you mentioned there are well over 30 countries that did not ratified the prohibitions agreement about the CBU-105, nevertheless circuitously posting as an apologist for the Iranian regime that happen to be the main instigator of this war spoiled much of your efforts to portray the Saudis as the devil nest since you purposely hided the facts that the houthis openly threatened Saudi Arabia of invasion to take the cities of Makkah & Madina as a religious Shia fulfillment!!
Having the guts to State that “The Saudis are also bombing people in Syria and Iraq” shows the extend of zealotry you are capable off; Mullah Petro-dollars are spinning lots of heads, cluster bombs are the remedy!
+14 # WBoardman 2015-05-10 16:56
ben Noweizer needs to provide
some credible documentation
to support his anti-Iranian broad brush assertions.

Meanwhile, keep in mind that the Houthi heartland, as it were,
is in northwest Yemen, along the Saudi border, now one of the
most tank-defended borders in the region.

The Saudis have waged a continuous air campaign
against Yemen since March 26, suffering only limited
casualties from the occasional border shelling from Yemen.

Saudis and their allies, along with Israel and some elements
of the US government delight in demonizing Iran even though
Iran hasn't directly invaded or attacked anyone (unlike
Israel, ISIS, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Iraq, etc etc).

According to the alarmists, Iran has been "only a year away
from having nuclear weapons" for more than two decades now. Iran remains the target of unjustified economic war.

Even though it remains widely believed, the Iranian "threat"
has never been credibly documented beyond the kind of
proxy war almost all state in the region wage, as does the US.

Houthis threaten to invade Saudi Arabia???
This is supposed to be credible, not just a joke?
How could they expect to do that with no air force?
Look at the record, the Houthis are focussed on Yemen,
concentrating on moving south (away from Saudi Arabia)
to take Aden and other coastal cities.

ben Noweizer's ad hominem remarks have no weight.
Sometimes a Yemeni civil war is just a Yemeni civil war.
+3 # nancyw 2015-05-10 17:16
Money makes the world go around, the world go around, the world go around... And apparently so does evil and sin. Round and round and round. Stop the world, I want to get off! Two musicals with truth. Ah art. That's where the money needs to go, to reveal the truth to the masses. But, as sheep, would it make a difference? Getting pessimistic now. Tired, weary world and me.
+8 # geraldom 2015-05-10 19:05
All I can say is that the UN sucks, really sucks. What I mean by this is that the UN and its current head, Ban Ki-moon, are completely controlled by the United States. As a consequence, violations of international law are defined as what the U.S. defines them to be.

When Bashar Assad of Syria allegedly used chemical weapons against his own people, he was immediately condemned by the UN because the U.S. wanted it so, but it was okay for the U.S. to supply Saddam Hussein in the early 1980s with material to construct chemical weapons which were not only used against the Iranians during the Iraq-Iran war, but used against Saddam's own people, and yet neither the U.S. nor the UN ever condemned Saddam for doing this.

I wish Kofi Annan hadn't resigned his post as SG of the UN. He was no puppet of the United States. That's why the U.S. wanted him out. Why he obliged, I do not know.

The bottom line here is that violations of international law are now defined as and determined by the United States. Saudi Arabia is an important ally of the U.S. and therefore can get away with this. But, if the situation were reversed like what happened in Ukraine where the new govt is supported by the United States. If Russia were to attack western Ukraine, the U.S. would immediately claim violations of international law.

When Poroshenko used Cluster munitions and White Phosphorous against civilians in eastern Ukraine, the U.S. kept its mouth shut like they're doing now with Yemen.
+6 # Activista 2015-05-10 22:45
The Killing of Osama bin Laden
Seymour M. Hersh
... out of topic, but how the propaganda is made ....
+3 # Merlin 2015-05-11 02:51
Activista 2015-05-10 22:45

Thanks for the link! Great story. The info here changes so much of the supposed history being written by the politicians!
-7 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-11 08:59
With pleasure Mr. Boardman!
It appears that I am compelled to do your own home work...

At first some fast corrections to your allegations; Iran has always been the source of nuisance in the region in the beginning, and then extended as far as Argentina and Bulgaria in major terrorist activities, major arms shipments intercepted to rebels in Nigeria, Yemen, Lebanon and Gazza.

As soon as Khomeini landed In Tehran from his French exile he explicitly called for the export of the Iranian revolution to the neighboring states describing them as heretics, he was quoted saying:
we'll wipe out Mecca and Madinah off the face of the earth , because these two cities became the stronghold of the wahhabis ; and as such in 1985 Iran sent their first batch of soldiers disguised as pilgrims carrying a total of 51kg of C-4 explosives in special cavities inside their unified travel bags , the soldiers confessed and then the Iranian presidential candidate had this to say:
Senior mullah: Mecca riot work of Iran intelligence

See # 2 for continuation
-7 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-11 09:01
# 2

Tehran, Jun. 04 – Iranian government agencies were responsible for planning the 1986 attack on Islam's holiest site Mecca in Saudi Arabia and the 1987 riots which left some 500 Iranian pilgrims dead, an Iranian presidential candidate and former Parliament (Majlis) Speaker Mehdi Karroubi said.

"I was the representative of the Imam [Khomeini] in 1985 and at the time in accordance with the orders of the Imam we organised events in Medina and Mecca and in the second year we noticed that one of the planes with 110 pilgrims on board had been detained. After following this up, we discovered that certain institutions in Iran had collaborated with the attackers and had placed explosives in the pilgrims' bags", Karroubi said in a University in the western town of Hamedan, according to the hard-line state-run daily Sharq, which quoted him in its Tuesday edition.
Iran plotted to kill Saudi Ambassador to Washington Adel Jubeir in 2011, the Iranian terrorist confessed and was put to trial and convicted in Washington 2013.

Iran established two secret training bases for the terrorist activities one being side by side Islands with their Zionist counterpart off the shore of Eritrea, the second was in Sudan and have been closed by the Sudan president.

See # 3 for continuation
-7 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-11 09:03
# 3

see Continuation # 4
-7 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-11 09:04
# 4
Terrorist Iranian activities caught red handed in Thailand , Egypt, Azerbaijan, Iraq , Bahrain, Lebanon, Kuwait were they conspired and failed in assassinating the Emir then hijacked a Kuwaiti B-747 demanding the release of the infamous terrorist Imad Moghniyeh from jail, of course most but not all of the operatives were Iranians descendants , proxies from Hezbollah the professional arm are involved; in the eighties the Iranian guardians of the revolution were based in northern East Lebanon the city of Baalbek and for nine years conducted all the abductions of foreign western journalist to pressure the west for weapons and spares and surely they obtained what they wanted from no else but Israel, search under Iran-Contra scandal in addition to that remember that Iran and Israel have enjoy secret trade exchanges via Athens-Greece:

After Saddam Era Iran attacked bordering Iraqi Oil well and occupied it. forces invaded Iraqi land and claimed possession of a bordering oil well
Continuation in # 5
-7 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-11 09:06
# 5
Iranian Army and air force operating freely inside Iraq with some kind of coordination with US air force operating in the same area!

I read you saying that the Saudi were bombing People in Iraq !! And so it appear that you ignore the protocol limiting the coalition to Bomb only ISIS in Syrian territories, only Canadians and US are authorized over Iraq.

Note that on the ground ISIS and Bashar Al Assad forces are the best of friends, are you surprised??!!

In Syria thousand of Iranian forces are taking part in the terrible Sunni majority civilian holocaust, dozens of high raking generals have been killed and injured.
continued on # 6
+4 # WBoardman 2015-05-11 09:40
ben Noweizer's #1-5 deserve some response.

#1. It os somewhat laughable to cite a US Treasury allegation against Iran when that is its job, to traduce the designated enemy. And this one is from 2012 and the allegation is about small arms only. The REAL complaint here may be that Iran is getting in on a market the US wants to control.

The world is awash in weapons and weapons dealers and, yes, Iran is part of that, but eliminate Iran's business entirely and you still have a world awash in weapons and weapons dealers, US first among many.

Carrying on about Khomeini's 1979 threats 36 years later is something of a Chicken Little syndrome, especially when the threats (real and imagined) are weighed against any success in carrying them out. Quite possibly the US did more damage in Fallujah than Iran has done in the region, not that any credible accounting is possible.

#2. This seems to demand accountability for a failure...

#4. This foggy paragraph seems rooted in the 198s when, as noted, the US and Israel were trading arms to Iran for hostages, raising questions about all parties.

The oil well item seems trivial in comparison to the US supporting Iraq's 8-year war on Iran, and in Iranian soil.

Iran in Iraq (presumably now) seems likely, but relatively small scale and with US blessing. So, the point?

I would be happy to be wrong about Saudis bombing in Iraq.

[to be continued]
+6 # WBoardman 2015-05-11 09:56
ben Noweizer's #5 response [I see no #6]

The Guardian story from Dec 2014 is rather weightless, since it quotes the Pentagon saying Iran bombed people the US is bombing, and Iran says no we didn't, and who cares? The US controls the air over Iraq and any bombing there is de facto US-approved.

When the Independent reports [see link] in 2013, that Iran might send 4,000 troops of some sort to Syria, that does not mean that they are actually there in 2015. Maybe they are, but reliable evidence of who's in Syria (who isn't?) is hard to come by.

Here's a May 4, 2015 story from Al Monitor that sheds some light on troops in Syria supported by Iran, but it's hardly conclusive:

At this point I don't know what ben Noweizer is arguing (other than the ad hominem bits) – little if any of #1-5 seem to justify a Saudi blitzkreig against the poorest country in the region.

And even if Iran is engaged with Houthi resistance, that doesn't justify the US criminally supporting a criminal war on a country in the midst of civil war.

Demonizing Iran is not an argument. It is a deflection from honest assessment of a region in which few, if any, countries have behaved with the least bit of good faith and good intentions at the very least since 1948.
-7 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-11 09:12
# 6

Yemen's Houthis hold exercises near Saudi border

The senior leader of the Houthi’s Abdul-Karim al-Khiwani, said “We will circle the Ka’bah next Hajj in Makkah as conquerors”. Khiwani was killed days later.

Senior Iranian cleric calls for Mecca to be ’emancipated’ from Saudi Arabia
International Business times 16 April 2015 by Lorah Moftah.

The following is a review of statements and information released openly by official Iranian spokesmen showing Iran's complete involvement in numerous aspects of the Houthi rebellion in Yemen: Iran's export of its Islamic
Revolution to Yemen; the connection between the Houthi movement and Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Qods Forces; and Iranian military aid and political and economic support to the Houthis, in addition to anti-Saudi and anti-U.S. statements.

Cont. # 7
-6 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-11 09:13
# 7
Exporting Iran's Islamic Revolution
Senior Iranian spokesmen pointed at the revolution in Yemen as indicative of the further success of the enterprise of exporting Iran's Islamic Revolution an enterprise laid out by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini following the revolution.

next # 8
-6 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-11 09:15
# 8

Reference from :
Qods Force Senior Official Shirazi: We Have Might In Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bahrain, And Even Saudi Arabai.

Qods Force Commander Soleimani: The Signs Of The Export Of The Islamic Revolution Can Be Seen Across The Region
In a February 11, 2015 speech in Karman marking Revolution Day in Iran, IRGC Qods Force commander Qassem Soleimani said: "Today we are seeing the signs of the export of the Islamic Revolution across the region, from Bahrain and Iraq to Syria, Yemen, and North Africa. The arrogance [i.e. the U.S.] and global Zionism acknowledge their helplessness and the growing might of the Islamic Republic, in light of their serial defeats at the hands of the resistance front."[7]
Fars (Iran), February 11, 2015.
next # 9
-6 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-11 09:18
# 9

Majlis National Security Committee Member Kowsari: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, And Yemen Have Taken Our Revolution As A Model

Also on February 11, 2015, Majlis National Security Committee member Esmail Kowsari said: "Today, thank God, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, and even several countries in Latin America have taken our [Islamic] revolution [and] our doctrine of self-sacrifice as a model for themselves. As a result, the Americans feel embarrassed."[8 ] (Iran), February 11, 2015.

Assembly Of Experts Member Khatami: Ansar Allah, Hizbullah, Syria, Iraq, And Iran – A Single Front
On April 2, 2015, Assembly of Experts member and Tehran Friday preacher Ahmad Khatami said: "Ansar Allah [i.e. the Houthi movement] in Yemen, Hizbullah in Lebanon, and Syria, Iraq, and Iran are a single front standing against America... Saudi Arabia, Israel, and America have said that they do not want this front to take over the strategic region of the straits of Bab El-Mandeb and Hormuz."[9], April 2, 2015.
-6 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-11 09:19
# 10
Former Iranian Intelligence Minister Moslehi: Tehran Controls Four Capitals
Former Iranian intelligence minister Heidar Moslehi underlined that Iran has taken over four capitals – Damascus, Beirut, Baghdad, and Sana'a – and added, "More victories are on the way."[10], April 2, 2015.

Iranian Officials: Iran Has Linked To Bab El-Mandeb And It Has Influence From Yemen To Lebanon
On March 9, 2015, Iranian National Security Committee chairman Ali Shamkhani said: "Iran has linked to Bab El-Mandeb and to the Mediterranean." [11] Previously, on October 18, 2014, at a meeting with a delegation of Yemeni clerics and cultural figures visiting Tehran, Khamenei advisor Ali Akhbar Velayati noted Yemen's geostrategic advantages: "The way to liberate Palestine passes through Yemen, because this country is strategically located – it is situated next to the Red Sea and, more precisely, next to Bab El-Mandeb."[12] ISNA (Iran), October 18, 2014.

On another occasion, Velayati said: "[Previously,] no one paid attention to Iran's regional power – but today, everyone must acknowledge it. Today, Iran has fundamental influence from Yemen to Lebanon."[13] Fars (Iran), December 15, 2014.
Next # 11
-5 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-11 09:20
# 11

Iranian Journalist Sadeq Al-Hosseini: We Are The New Sultans Of The Mediterranean, The Gulf, And The Red Sea
IRGC Qods Force Deputy Commander Qaani: "Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, And Yemen Are Among The Countries Conquered By The Islamic Republic Of Iran" / On February 13, 2015, the Iranian opposition website Kalameh reported that a news item had been published in Iran, but a short time later removed, stating that IRGC Qods Force deputy commander Esmail Qaani had said: "The Islamic Republic of Iran is spreading in these lands [i.e. the Islamic countries] from day to day, because the Islamic Revolution is not limited by geographic borders... Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, and Yemen are among the countries conquered by the Islamic Republic of Iran."[4], February 13, 2015.

Diplomats and U.N. staff flee Yemen as Houthis target Aden
Houthis had repositioned long-range Scud missiles in the north, close to the Saudi border and aimed at Saudi territory.

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-5 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-11 09:21
# 12 Final /
Dangerous Iranian Confessions
Iranian Revolutionary Guard Leader, Maj.Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafari, confessed that Iran's intervention in Yemen and Syria undergrids the Shiite crescent’s expansion map in the region.

Second you have yourself to provide solid proofs of your own account about a partnership between Saudi Arabia and Israel from a credible source not related to any of your Farsi benefactors.
And finally I believe you owe your readers a serious apology for having spread hoax with an incredible confidence.
+5 # WBoardman 2015-05-11 10:32
ben Noweizer #12 cites:
- a Lebanese outlet takes seriously an Iranian claim (apparently) that Iran has armed 100,000 "rebel youths" – that is hardly credible in a conflict where most sides are measured in tens of thousands.

As for Israel, I did note that Israel has not joined the majority of the world in banning cluster bombs or mines, but they have plenty of company in that militaristic choice.

Although I searched, I could not find where I wrote "about a partnership between Saudi Arabia and Israel."
Maybe I missed it. However, Politico reported it:

I'm not aware of any overt "partnership." But it is clear, in the context especially of demonizing Iran, that Saudis and Israelis have a shared interest in achieving a Houthi genocide or its political equivalent.

Earlier I wrote that, "I would be happy to be wrong about Saudis bombing in Iraq," and that remains true. But I note that my source was Robert Fisk in the Independent [link provided in article] and Robert Fisk is an experienced, reliable reporter who has covered the region for years.

I'm comfortable taking Robert Fisk's word. I'm inclined to believe that no one knows with much specificity who's bombing whom in the region, where it's hard to keep track of the number of air forces in action, never mind what they're attacking.

What "hoax," specifically?
+4 # Merlin 2015-05-11 14:41
ben Noweizer 2015-05-11 09:21

I believe you are shilling for someone.

Want to tell us who that is?
+1 # Majikman 2015-05-11 17:24
Merlin, ya think? This dude just magically appears to refute, at length, any piece critical of US policy. He went apoplectic over Sy Hersh's article. Hmmmmm now who could he possibly be shilling for?
+1 # WBoardman 2015-05-12 10:29
While Majikman's suspicions seem wholly justified,
pending further evidence,
it's important to note that ben Noweizer
REFUTES nothing so far,
even though he REBUTS much,
while leaving us no wiser. ;-)))
+1 # tomtom 2015-05-12 07:52
Am I correctly assessing that the world has treatise up the ying yang, and they're all being violated by, at least, one of the participating parties? Exactly like that over-crowded rat cage. The U.S.A. Is providing Cluster Bombs to the country that financed 9-11. I'm trying to be unbiased, here, but, Houston/Spock/G od, help! Hmmm, that doesn't seem to be working, either.
-2 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-13 17:20
Mr. Boardman
Obviously we have a major problem here! It appear that you only read what your mind wants to say “ ’ the Lebanese outlet was reporting the statement by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Leader Major General Mohammad Ali Javari published by the Iranian Owned “ Press TV “ outlet. That was an official declaration Mr. Boardman !!
I invite the readers to search the link you provided “ to realize for themselves how deluding is your reporting.
It is clear that despite the overwhelming evidences provided upon your request you got this urge in picturing the Farsi regime as a dove being demonized and their Yemeni proxy the Houthis facing genocide, of course it’s convenient to downplay reports with statements like “ US Treasury allegation”, “Khomeini's 1979 threats 36 years later is something of a Chicken Little syndrome”, the Iran Contra scandal with Israel as “a foggy paragraph seems rooted in the 1980s” and so on... didn’t I said previously that Iranian Petro-Dollars are doing miracles?
-2 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-13 17:22
Iranian army fighting in Syria along Iraqi militia, Houthis, Afghani Shia , Lebanese Hezbollah, Shia Pakistanis , Saudi Shia , Bahraini Shia , are no secret at all, they filmed themselves, the clips are easily available on you tube downplaying it and denying the facts makes you an apologist.
The US supported both sides (Iraq & Iran) in their military conflict; Israel did the dirty Job with Iran and still maintains secret relations to this day and you know it.

Iran demonized itself! It has been meddling in Arab states internal affairs with a free US license. An endless bloody religious conflict among Muslims was a Zionist dream with intentions to redraw the Middle East map, Iran played the game all along, they have audaciously announced the revival of the Farsi empire with Baghdad its capital, Washington kept silent, why did you??
Finely, let’s assume for a moment that you’re undoubtedly false account about “Saudi Bombing the Iraqi People” is true, that will imply that both the Iranian and the Saudis are partners conspiring against the Iraqi people since Iran is officially involved in air operation over Iraq and it seems they are happy to be alongside the US and Saudi jets!
-2 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-13 17:24
Robert Fisk that I personally know from the Beirut days is not the formal and official legal reference on the protocols of the coalition agreements; have you read any official Iraqi or Iranian complain on the subject?? Beside there are 3 other Arab states in that coalition they have been reported bombing ISIS in their assaults against KOBANI in Syria.
What Ben Noweizer is arguing about with his hominem bits as you said was to demonstrate your biased not to say totally wrong reporting with an awful rotten smell.
Being socialist or communist is not a license to lie at any price.
+1 # WBoardman 2015-05-13 18:31
ben Noweizer makes much of an "official declaration"
as if that somehow makes it true.

I'm with I.F.Stone: "All governments lie"

What evidence is there that Iran has armed
100,000 "rebel youths"? None here.

We seem to agree that no one knows with much clarity
or certainty who's bombing whom in the region.

No one disputes that Iranian military of some sort
have been helping the Iraq/US/etc alliance.

Ad hominem attacks are not arguments, or evidence.

I await the specificity of the alleged "hoax" ben N claims.
-1 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-14 14:34
Your quote:
“Ad hominem attacks are not arguments, or evidence” After the above lengthy supported exchange is the specific answer to your question on the hoax note that seems to be giving you some heart-burns; Indeed spreading hoax appears to be your major objective, Iran has been very generous on this subject even “Thieery Maysan” have fallen in with bold audacity.
Honest reporting was supposed to be the real intentions and I proved you otherwise.
0 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-14 14:38
Syria's Mercenaries: The Afghans Fighting Assad's War
-1 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-15 02:41
Is it for convenience purposes that we bring up 9-11 subject to support myths?
9-11 has been widely proven to be an inside job incited by the Zionist Neo-com. We have been led to believe that 19 Arabs destroyed America pride only to be given later the evidences from the national bureau of statistic that the allege flights never departed that day!
Now we see reference like “ The country that financed 9-11” now we’ve been led to understand that the Saudis financed American officials to shoot themselves in the foot, but to what purpose??
By the end of 2001 onward an avalanche of books were published in the UK and America all claiming to be experts on terrorism issues pointing explicitly at a dozens of prominent Middle Estern figures and officials in masterminding the attacks and financing it’ most particularly the NCB bank was evoked bringing accusation to its owner “Khaled Bin Mahfooz” .
-1 # ben Noweizer 2015-05-15 02:42
TomTom # 2

The strike back was massive thru the legal system.
The miracle was that few years later all five writer in both sides of the Atlantic withdraw their books by tribunal order, published full pages apologies in main stream news paper and paid fines to Western charity organizations.
An example:

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