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Streisand writes: "In the wake of the financial crisis, President Obama took the helm of a sinking economic ship and help to right it."

Barbra Streisand. (photo: unknown)
Barbra Streisand. (photo: unknown)


Obama Has Turned the Economy Around

By Barbra Streisand, Reader Supported News

01 April 15

 

n the wake of the financial crisis, President Obama took the helm of a sinking economic ship and helped to right it. The unemployment rate is now once again at pre-recession levels -- the lowest in seven years (5.5%).

President Obama's Administration, with only opposition from the Republicans, has steadily helped put more than 11 million Americans back to work in the private sector. In the strongest period of American manufacturing job growth since the 1990s, the sector has added more than 750,000 jobs since February 2010. As New York Times columnist Paul Krugman notes, the economy is "now adding jobs at a rate not seen since the Clinton years." The dollar is on its fastest rise in 40 years; its value has increased 14% in this first quarter alone and it's the strongest it's been in 12 years compared to the Euro.

Maybe most important, the number of long-term unemployed is down by 1.1 million. Why are the Republicans so silent about the good news? They claim to be the party of "jobs." Perhaps they knew their history.

PBS pointed out a study from the "strictly non-partisan National Bureau for Economic Research" that shows "under Democratic presidents, per capita GDP has been higher; job creation has been stronger; decreases in unemployment have been greater; the S&P 500 stock index has been higher; corporate profits have been bigger; and real wages and labor productivity have increased."

As Brad Plumer also noted in the Washington Post, "Since World War II, there's been a strikingly consistent pattern in American politics: The economy does much better when a Democrat is in the White House... the U.S. economy has grown at an average real rate of 4.35 percent under Democratic presidents and just 2.54 percent under Republicans." If one drops the Eisenhower years, it is far worse for the GOP.

This pattern holds true under President Obama. The conservative Wall Street Journal had to admit, "American families have made major progress cutting their debt burdens, putting them in a stronger position to drive spending and growth. Total U.S. household debt was about 107% of disposable income in the fourth quarter, down from 108% in the previous quarter and well over 130% before the recession." Under President Obama, the deficit continues to fall even more since being cut in half by 2013 from 2009. In his first term, the president also cut taxes by $3,600 for the average middle-class family.

The frustration now is the lack of wage increases -- an obstacle that must be overcome both by raising the minimum wage and our corporations rewarding the increase in productivity among our workers. Of course there's not been an encouraging word from the GOP, which opposes any increase in the federal minimum wage. In fact, their 2016 frontrunner, Jeb Bush, does not think there should be a federal minimum wage.

The GOP does not care to understand the late Senator Paul Wellstone's maxim, "We all do better when we all do better." Increasing wages means more economic demand for more goods and services, and boosts the economy. Somehow, Republicans remain intent on cutting taxes for the already rich and devastating domestic spending.

The House once again just proposed the "Ryan" budget full of unexplained and mysterious trillions of dollars in savings while cutting revenue, savaging domestic spending and proposing vouchers to purchase insurance instead of traditional Medicare. As Krugman writes, if it "were to become law, it would leave the federal government several trillion dollars deeper in debt than claimed, and that's just in the first decade." With the budget deficit radically dropping under President Obama and the increasingly better jobs reports, why would we believe these GOP austerity measures would help average families? We don't because they won't. Krugman again: "The simplest way to understand [the GOP budget proposals] is surely to suppose that they are intended to do what they would, in fact, actually do: make the rich richer and ordinary families poorer."

They're also intent on misrepresenting the economic facts of the Affordable Care Act. Thanks to the ACA, 16. 4 million previously uninsured adults now have health care coverage under the ACA. The Brookings Institution pointed out in March that "more than 4.2 million households, or 7.5 million people, are likely to qualify for both the [Earned Income Tax Credit] and [ACA's] premium tax credit" - - this in addition to improved, comprehensive health care coverage. Over the next 10 years, the Congressional Budget Office projected the ACA will actually cost $109 billion less than previously anticipated. And last year, the LA Times reported, "Insurance premiums are lower than anticipated, the Affordable Care Act will cost $9 billion less than previously estimated and the provision designed to buffer insurance companies from risk will actually raise revenue, not function as any sort of federal government bailout."

The Republican response to how the ACA is helping Americans and heath care costs is to try to repeal it (56 times as of February) and attempt to hobble it with litigation. GOP presidential candidate, Senator Ted Cruz, who this week vowed to "repeal every word of Obamacare," hypocritically receives health insurance for his family through the Federal "Obamacare" exchange.

Are Republicans who control both houses of Congress interested in governing or will they remain stuck in their ideological corner? Their current approval rating of 11% does not seem to faze them, so the signs are not encouraging. In an unprecedented move, 47 Senate Republicans just signed a letter deliberately undermining both our President and important allies' in the negotiation to halt nuclear arms proliferation by Iran.

So it looks like the facts be damned, the GOP has decided that the ideological corner is where they will remain. The voters will have a chance next year to change this.

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-73 # A P 2015-04-01 12:14
Babs, you need to take a trip over to zerohedge or Stockman's Contra-corner for the real economic news and facts.

This is pure Dem-fantasy, next it'll be just click the heels of your Ruby Slippers slippers three times and repeat three times, "There's no economy like Hope and Change".

Sorry, you'll wake up with Toto gnawing on your leg because he hasn't been fed in weeks...

Babs how about you offer to sing "Over the Rainbow" at Killary's inauguration? That'll make it ALL BETTER.
 
 
+60 # Larry 2015-04-01 13:46
Well, AP, why don't you enlighten us with the real "facts," because so far you have offered nothing to disprove the numbers reported in the Wall Street Journal (hardly a liberal publication) Washington Post (same), LA Times, and New York Times. All that's clear from your post is that you are just another garden-variety Obama hater, and like your fellow occupants of the right-wing echo chamber, you either deny or ignore any facts that undermine your wretched agenda.

Go back to the alternate un-reality of Faux "News." There you are guaranteed to only hear "facts" you can agree with.
 
 
-9 # Floe 2015-04-01 13:54
Larry, I agree with AP and I'm no conservative, never have been and abhor even the idea of it. However it is definitely the Democrats getting the wool pulled over their eyes now. I used to be a "liberal" and proud of it but I don't go for anyone who has a kill list and a drone warfare program. I don't care what party he or she is from. The entire edifice is a fraud, everyone you have ever voted for or had the opportunity to vote for are whores for banks and vandalism energy (fossil fuels and nuclear) You even slip on your own banana skin there by showing how closed your mind is when you think that the only ones who can see the great pretenders for what they are, Obama included, it must be because they are "on the other side". Very faulty thinking. If you really want to know the truth, find out how money is created. Anyone who does not know this is not qualified to speak on anything political or economic. Surely something as fundamental as how money is created ought to be known before issuing conclusions about the views of others. Fallacious once, fallacious twice....
 
 
+37 # Larry 2015-04-01 14:47
Floe, during the first presidential campaign, as the GOP was shrieking "He's a socialist!" I thought Obama actually came across as slightly right of center, certainly nowhere near being a traditional liberal. I don't like everything he has done (and not done), but this article is just about the improving economy. And the numbers are what they are. There are plenty of opportunities to criticize the president, but in the case of the economy I think he has done an amazing job repairing the catastrophic damage done by W and his puppeteers.
 
 
+18 # WestWinds 2015-04-01 16:33
#Larry:

--- I'm throwing in with Floe. Obama could have done a WHOLE LOT BETTER and a whole lot sooner. He's been gradually taking the economy back up, alright, but at a snails pace allowing the corporations to siphon the living daylights out of working people while giving 750 BILLION dollars to Wall Street for their irresponsible, selfish, ruthless and capricious buyer beware behavior. Instead of funneling that money to the bottom (like a Democrat) he force fed the 1% and stayed the (R) supply side course. Obama has consistently practiced supply side economics and thwarted consumer driven economics all the way.

W sent out checks to everyone for a couple of hundred dollars. If Obama had taken that 750 Billion and sent everybody a check, each and every adult US citizen in this country would have received a check for one quarter of a million dollars. Now, don't you think a lot of school debt, medical bills, mortgages, car loans, etc., would have gotten paid off and jump started the economy a WHOLE LOT SOONER???

And instead of nationalizing the health care, this president saddled us with warmed over Dole/Romney (Rethuglicon) care that further suctions out the pockets of the working class people.

And now, he's on the brink of signing off on TPP that will REALLY screw this country over. You people that look at Obama with stars in your eyes need to get off the Kool-aid!
 
 
+11 # RLF 2015-04-02 05:39
Obama is firmly in the U. of Chicago economics model...his Alma Mater. Can you say trickle on me?
 
 
+12 # RLF 2015-04-02 05:36
"slightly right of center"???

He's to the right of Nixon...way more than slightly!
 
 
+2 # A_Har 2015-04-02 17:24
"I don't like everything he has done (and not done), but this article is just about the improving economy. And the numbers are what they are. "

*Figures lie and liars figure.* Don't be naive--they have rigged the numbers for decades: Numbers Racket.

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/05/numbers-racket/
 
 
+6 # WestWinds 2015-04-02 17:45
Quoting A_Har:
"I don't like everything he has done (and not done), but this article is just about the improving economy. And the numbers are what they are. "

*Figures lie and liars figure.* Don't be naive--they have rigged the numbers for decades: Numbers Racket.

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/05/numbers-racket/


--- Exactly, look at how W fiddled the figures on the national debt by leaving off the costs of his warfare such that Obama had to come along and put it back on the books so it would get dealt with.

These days, this country is all about the fiddle, and I'm not talking violins here, either.
 
 
+1 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2015-04-04 18:05
The economy did not crash by itself. The economy does not "uncrash" by itself.
 
 
0 # Justice Lady 2015-04-05 07:52
YES ELDON,
Its because the Natural& Moral Economic Laws are being ingored & violated resulting in a robbery of the masses taking place every day. "There are the big robbers & the little robbers & the robber that takes all that is left"
(the owners of the land & natural resources we all can't live without") Henry George.In his "Progress & Poverty" he showed the causes of depressions, low wages, unemployment & the solution, a Single tax on land & natural resource values only.
 
 
+6 # Billsy 2015-04-02 12:12
Huh? You cease to be "liberal" because you oppose some of the POTUS' wrong=headed policies? I think most RSN patrons are highly critical of current militarist policy and lack of proper bank regulation, but still support democratic values and liberal policy.

The point of the op-ed is to acknowledge credit where it is due and to counter the steady acid-drip of GOP b.s. that finds fault with EVERYTHING Obama does despite economic improvement. They should at least love him for his militarist policy and hands-off wall st. Justice dept. but they can't even indulge him that.
 
 
+8 # WestWinds 2015-04-02 17:53
Quoting Billsy:
Huh? You cease to be "liberal" because you oppose some of the POTUS' wrong=headed policies? I think most RSN patrons are highly critical of current militarist policy and lack of proper bank regulation, but still support democratic values and liberal policy.

The point of the op-ed is to acknowledge credit where it is due and to counter the steady acid-drip of GOP b.s. that finds fault with EVERYTHING Obama does despite economic improvement. They should at least love him for his militarist policy and hands-off wall st. Justice dept. but they can't even indulge him that.


--- I think you've got a point here, Billsy. The GOP is going to find fault with BHO no matter what he does that's in line with their wishes and wants (militarism and hands off Wall Street.)

GOPers are an ungrateful lot (who like to whine) that won't give credit where credit is due on behalf of their side. Giving them warmongering imperialism and a firewall for Wall Street is Obama's notion of "bipartisanship " but the GOPers are afraid if they give credit where credit is due, then they will be sucked into having to make concessions in recognition of things given to them and done for them. They are a childishly myopic and selfish bunch.
 
 
+7 # Old Uncle Dave 2015-04-01 17:16
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/the-economic-wall-straight-ahead-is-hidden-behind-false-signs-of-recovery/
 
 
+3 # glyde 2015-04-01 18:45
Old Uncle Dave: Thank you very much. I've signed up.
 
 
-2 # WestWinds 2015-04-02 17:59
Quoting glyde:
Old Uncle Dave: Thank you very much. I've signed up.


--- Et moi, aussi.
 
 
+9 # wantrealdemocracy 2015-04-01 19:55
Hey Larry!! All those major media sources you and Barbara quote are brought to you by the banksters. Larry did not say anything about Obama. He did imply it was all pure Dem-fantasy and I agree. Yes, things are just fine for those rich bastards. They are over the rainbow in pure bliss, but the number of homeless and hungry people far, far exceed them in numbers. All those happy 1%ers just step over the people on the street with no sene of compassion or empathy. I guess feeding their greed is all the emotional power they have. These are the ME,Me, Me people don't give a damn for 99% of the people in this nation. I guess it is lots of fun for you and Babs who have lots of money to step over the poor, but watch out! We may be reaching a pitch fork and guillotine rebellion that you may not enjoy.
 
 
+15 # lewagner 2015-04-01 20:59
Quoting Larry:

Go back to the alternate un-reality of Faux "News." There you are guaranteed to only hear "facts" you can agree with.


A person does NOT have to be a right-winger to dislike Obama.
Not when the Eagle of State has been spiraling downward on two right wings for decades.
 
 
-2 # Billsy 2015-04-02 12:06
Typical troll comment. Respond to a fact-laden post with coarse sarcasm and an utter lack of supporting documentation. Peddle your fictitious horror story somewhere else pal, like Faux News. RSN patrons prefer to be informed.
 
 
+4 # A_Har 2015-04-02 17:20
What would Babs know about how ordinary people are doing in this economy? Hell, she is RICH!

And despite all the propaganda blown out by the MSM, the country is still flat busted broke and they are keeping that going by rigging the system (See Matt Taibbi--Everyth ing is rigged: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425 and also by inflating and reinflating bubbles endlessly. And other countries are chafing at the institutional corruption and making other arrangements.

The MSM is really wonderful at pushing the big lie--after all in order for the scam to keep going, CON-fidence in the system *has to be promoted.* They are ALL about management of perspective. There is even a term for it--Management of Perspective Economics--MOPE.

A lot of people here don't like Zero Hedge, they think it is a whack job, but for people who have been following the economic story, lots of times they hit the nail on the head.

BTW, Paul Krugman himself actually posts on ZH.
 
 
+1 # babalu 2015-04-04 11:35
Yes, Stockman and the rest hate that under Bush the economy was in the crapper and we were heading toward Great Depression II. They truly drove the bus off the cliff!

Obama has been able to turn it around, inspire of constant antagonism, lies and outright blockage from the Republicans! The Republicans set records for obstruction never before seen in this Republic - which is why they got the nickname Republicants.

Now they spread a NEW series of lies and obfuscations to claim victory.

Wise up people - America ALWAYS does better under a Democrat! Anyone who would return a Republican to the Whitehouse after the Bush disaster must be crazy!
 
 
+22 # cadawa 2015-04-01 12:18
Barbara, you should stick to what you know. Stay out of politics.
Obama has turned the banker's economy around, especially but not limited to Penny Pritzker who bank rolled Obama.
War contractors, like Victoria Nuland who worked so hard to destabilize Ukraine and her husband the weapons supplier are doing very well from death and destruction.
Whatever slight improvement has happened in the general economy due to the sacrifice and hard work of the victims of the worst white collar crime in human history. That's about to be wiped out by the TPP that Obama has been trying to cram through Congress.
All the 'quantitative easing' and TARP money and profits from increased productivity has gone to the 1%.
 
 
+21 # reiverpacific 2015-04-01 13:58
Quoting cadawa:
Barbara, you should stick to what you know. Stay out of politics.
Obama has turned the banker's economy around, especially but not limited to Penny Pritzker who bank rolled Obama.
War contractors, like Victoria Nuland who worked so hard to destabilize Ukraine and her husband the weapons supplier are doing very well from death and destruction.
Whatever slight improvement has happened in the general economy due to the sacrifice and hard work of the victims of the worst white collar crime in human history. That's about to be wiped out by the TPP that Obama has been trying to cram through Congress.
All the 'quantitative easing' and TARP money and profits from increased productivity has gone to the 1%.

So Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwartzennagge r (Sp?) and Al Franken should have stayed "out of politics" too?
 
 
+13 # Merlin 2015-04-01 15:22
reiverpacific 2015-04-01 13:58
“If you're gonna criticize, at least declaw an alternative!”

The rethugs are not the enemy, in my view. I agree with your view that the rethug party is much worse than the so called Dems. That said, the Center left no longer exists. The two parties are only different in the degree of badness you want raining down on your head. (The argument for the lesser of two evils.)

This is a good cop/bad cop scenario. Both cops are on the same side, working for the same guy. As long as we keep thinking we are a sovereign nation, with a freely elected President, we are being fooled by the magician’s distractions.

The enemy are the oligarchs who own the corporations, and who work to achieve their purposes through them.

Regarding This:
“So Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwartzennagge r (Sp?) and Al Franken should have stayed "out of politics" too.”

The question is just provocative, and is not applicable.

The anger I hear in cadawa’s statement goes to the idea that when you have the bully pulpit of celebrity, you must be very careful what you say, as it affects the vast audience of her friends.

I believe Barbara is speaking this oligarch nonsense, to calm the rising unhappiness The People are expressing. The oligarchs do not want unrest. They want calm so their takeover will be “bloodless.” This neoliberal propagandist piece of horsepucky is designed to keep the people “happy” with the lesser of two evils they have.
 
 
+12 # reiverpacific 2015-04-01 16:34
@"Merlin".
First off I apologize that I didn't proof read my post and by "declaw" I meant of course, "declare". I have essential tremor and it really buggers me up on the keyboard, Flamenco Guitar and Potter's wheel. I've edited it now. I also have this really irritating spell-check function which springs all sorts of crap on me and I'm trying to find where I can switch it off.
As for the rest, how does the celebrity bully-pulpit not apply the other three? I mean Bianca Jagger and several others, including that basketball player, Kareem something or other (I HATE basketball) and others celebrities of one species or another, have all posted quite frequently on RSN.
And why not be provocative? -it makes for a stimulating discussion and can make someone with an open mind look at something t'other way (I really don't take myself that seriously anyway tend to latch on to a thread or two to open things up a bit).
I agree with the rest of your post -this country hasn't had a left since the days of the Wobblies and Eugene Debs and the 1.25-Party system is driving this once exciting country to live and work in, into the greedy arms of the Oligarchs, who only want everything, with the possible "Pacifica" states, reading north to south then sharp west, Washington, Oregon, California and most of Hawaii, if the bloody Mormons would keep their "missionaries" from infesting Oahu!
 
 
+8 # Merlin 2015-04-01 18:36
reiverpacific 2015-04-01 16:34
“First off I apologize that I didn't proof read my post and by "declaw" I meant of course, "declare". I have essential tremor and it really buggers me up on the keyboard, Flamenco Guitar and Potter's wheel.”

No apology needed :-) I’m sorry for your having to deal with a tremor! Must be a bitch! I will certainly keep that in mind when I read your posts. Which by the way, I enjoy. “Declare” changes the original message!

You say:

“As for the rest, how is the celebrity bully-pulpit not apply the other three?”

The three you mentioned were/are elected politicians. Barbara is not. So the question of staying out of politics is moot. She speaks as a private citizen. No mention to staying out of politics was involved as far as I can tell.

I do agree with you strongly on the responsibility people have speaking out in public. I believe anyone with a large following automatically has a bully pulpit to speak from, if they choose to use it, as Barbara did here. That includes elected people, celebs, or preachers, etc. Jabbar did that as well, with his thoughts on Starbucks.

Continued below:
 
 
+7 # Merlin 2015-04-01 18:37
Continued
As you may recall I disagreed with him strongly (in part) regarding the idea that no boss has the right to put his employees in danger. He approved of that idea. He got quite a few positive (thumbs up) on that view. I was not happy that he did not take more time to consider the real life outcomes possible when implementing a policy like that. He used his “bully pulpit” badly in that case, in my opinion.

Believe it or not, I believe even I have a definite responsibility to write responsibly. Even here on RSN, as an anonymous “Merlin,” and a person without any followers at all. People do read these comments and are affected by them. I owe them a responsible post when I write.

Provocation? Used well, I am all for it.
That can be done in a number of ways, as trolls show us here almost daily. I provoke them differently, with BS and nonsense, while humiliating them in the process. (You will see that humiliation buried in plain sight, if you look for it.) It can also be done using ad hominem attacks.

Provocation is perhaps best done with questions that expose a commonly believed fallacy, in a way that does not threaten nor judge. Rather, it eggs the people on to defend their belief, hopefully creating real thought, rather than desperate defense.
 
 
+3 # reiverpacific 2015-04-01 20:20
Quoting Merlin:
Continued
As you may recall I disagreed with him strongly (in part) regarding the idea that no boss has the right to put his employees in danger. He approved of that idea. He got quite a few positive (thumbs up) on that view. I was not happy that he did not take more time to consider the real life outcomes possible when implementing a policy like that. He used his “bully pulpit” badly in that case, in my opinion.

Believe it or not, I believe even I have a definite responsibility to write responsibly. Even here on RSN, as an anonymous “Merlin,” and a person without any followers at all. People do read these comments and are affected by them. I owe them a responsible post when I write.

Provocation? Used well, I am all for it.
That can be done in a number of ways, as trolls show us here almost daily. I provoke them differently, with BS and nonsense, while humiliating them in the process. (You will see that humiliation buried in plain sight, if you look for it.) It can also be done using ad hominem attacks.

Provocation is perhaps best done with questions that expose a commonly believed fallacy, in a way that does not threaten nor judge. Rather, it eggs the people on to defend their belief, hopefully creating real thought, rather than desperate defense.

O' well you do it your way and I'll do it mine.
See; we had a mutually (I hope) respectful debate without rancor, which one of the more positive aspects of RSN, trolls notwithstanding .
 
 
+5 # WestWinds 2015-04-01 16:38
#reiverpacific:

--- What's the deal with Franken? I haven't been following him. Do tell. Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks :)
 
 
+9 # reiverpacific 2015-04-01 20:16
Quoting WestWinds:
#reiverpacific:

--- What's the deal with Franken? I haven't been following him. Do tell. Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks :)


Really?
You do know that he was a famous comedian who started on "Saturday Night Live" although I don't remember it as I was all over the planet when that was popular and I'm not a TV buff at the best of times; if I'm wrong about his comedic origins, I'm sure that somebody will correct me eftsoons and right speedily.
Currently, he's the junior senator from Minnesota, very much in the Paul Wellstone mold, who's successor Norm Coleman, Franken ousted after Wellstone and his family were murdered (My opinion and I'm not alone, based on a certain amount of research -and I'm no conspiracy nut) in a plane crash subsequent to voting against the Iraq war and being threatened by Torquemada Cheney.
A.F. is one of the more progressive and outspoken voices in the Beltway integrity butcher shop and seems to be hanging on well.
The rest, including updates, you can find out quite quickly for yourself in the currently normal manner with a search engine of y'r choice.
 
 
+4 # WestWinds 2015-04-02 18:08
#reiverpacific:

--- I found A.F. when he was on Air America. I had no idea that he existed before that and didn't know that he started on SNL. I'm glad to hear that he is a Progressive of the Wellstone mold. Losing Wellstone (and his family) was truly a heartbreaking tragedy. I guess I'm a bit of a conspiracy nut because I don't think that plane crash was any accident (any more than JFK, Jr's., was); just too convenient for my tastes. Thanks for filling in the blanks; appreciate it.
 
 
0 # bingers 2015-04-04 16:51
Quoting WestWinds:
#reiverpacific:

--- I found A.F. when he was on Air America. I had no idea that he existed before that and didn't know that he started on SNL. I'm glad to hear that he is a Progressive of the Wellstone mold. Losing Wellstone (and his family) was truly a heartbreaking tragedy. I guess I'm a bit of a conspiracy nut because I don't think that plane crash was any accident (any more than JFK, Jr's., was); just too convenient for my tastes. Thanks for filling in the blanks; appreciate it.


He was great the other night on Letterman.
 
 
0 # reiverpacific 2015-04-08 16:34
Quoting bingers:
Quoting WestWinds:
#reiverpacific:

--- I found A.F. when he was on Air America. I had no idea that he existed before that and didn't know that he started on SNL. I'm glad to hear that he is a Progressive of the Wellstone mold. Losing Wellstone (and his family) was truly a heartbreaking tragedy. I guess I'm a bit of a conspiracy nut because I don't think that plane crash was any accident (any more than JFK, Jr's., was); just too convenient for my tastes. Thanks for filling in the blanks; appreciate it.


He was great the other night on Letterman.


I hardly ever watch TV, especially the Owner Media Monopoly channels -and I don't like David Letterman the few times I've fallen asleep during his show -or Jay Lenno for that matter.
I used to enjoy Johnny Carson the times I tuned in and he's never been replaced in that slot -in my 'umble opinion.
 
 
+3 # glyde 2015-04-01 18:20
To Reiverpacific: the first two, most definitely. And I agree with cadaver
 
 
+14 # Floe 2015-04-01 14:07
She's a one-percenter and she probably agrees with bombing Palestinians. Not to be unfair, I don't know for sure, but it's often funny how being Jewish can affect one's views on that. Hasn't she seen how far the gap has widened under Obama between rich and poor? Again, being a one-percenter, how much can you really know? One is shielded from many of the worries of the other 99%. But the drones Barbara? What about the drones? Please answer that one.
 
 
+2 # RLF 2015-04-02 05:41
Subtext..."Too bad for all you little people!" babs.
 
 
+36 # Blackjack 2015-04-01 13:39
He saved the bankster's ass. No one disputes that. Guess he thought that would raise everyone else's boat. . .NOT!
 
 
+27 # Street Level 2015-04-01 15:02
I agree! Perhaps she'd like to explain how over 1.1 million foreclosures in 2014 is "saving the economy?"
Wall Streets doing better than fine but Main Street hasn't begun to stop hitting bottom.
 
 
+12 # WestWinds 2015-04-01 16:46
Quoting Blackjack:
He saved the bankster's ass. No one disputes that. Guess he thought that would raise everyone else's boat. . .NOT!


--- I wouldn't even give him that. I think he knew EXACTLY what would be the outcome. The oligarchs want America as a Third World Nation of well educated slaves for no money workers and BHO is and always has been right in there helping to make this 1% dream come true.

You are aware that BHO and Rahm Emanuel were involved with the G-summet meetings, right? Naomi Klein reported on this on NPR and said that these G (government) summit meeting were about Obama and Emanuel putting pressure on the heads of invited countries to turn on their people by implementing "austerity" and driving all the world's money to the top 1%. How do you square this with a loving and caring BHO??? He's a DemoRat and there's plenty of proof to go around.
 
 
0 # Merlin 2015-04-02 13:17
WestWinds 2015-04-01 16:46
"He's a DemoRat and there's plenty of proof to go around."

Well said! (Your whole post.)

Unfair question of the day:

How do you convince a Professional Wrestling fan that he is watching, and vicariously taking part in, a staged performance that is built on fantasy for the purpose of making money?
 
 
0 # WestWinds 2015-04-02 18:12
Good question, Merlin. Some people are addicted to their addictions, I guess.
 
 
+25 # suzyskier 2015-04-01 13:47
Conservatives are never happy unless they're doing much, much better than those who have less than they do. That would be under a Republican who robs the poor to pay the rich. Seem pretty selfish to me.
 
 
-10 # Devildog 2015-04-01 14:00
You mean poor like Bill & Hillary Clinton who could hardly make ends meet when they left the White House? And don't forget all that money in the Clinton foundation..... Y'all make me sick!!
 
 
+9 # reiverpacific 2015-04-01 16:18
Quoting Devildog:
You mean poor like Bill & Hillary Clinton who could hardly make ends meet when they left the White House? And don't forget all that money in the Clinton foundation.....Y'all make me sick!!


Well, go and puke on another site!
 
 
+4 # WestWinds 2015-04-02 18:17
Quoting Devildog:
You mean poor like Bill & Hillary Clinton who could hardly make ends meet when they left the White House? And don't forget all that money in the Clinton foundation.....Y'all make me sick!!


--- Your supposition, Devildog, is that the Clintons are true Democrats. They aren't. I call them "moles in the party."
Both of them are also supply side economists and that means they really don't give a flying Frisbee about working people. Their "socially liberal" is only a veil they wear to hide the fact that they believe all the money should be in the hands of a precious few. Bill Clinton killed that last 3 prongs of FDR's Second New Deal which effective was the last push to make this country fall over. Now sHillary wants to take us even lower with her blather.

No more Clintons and no more Bushes!
 
 
+18 # reiverpacific 2015-04-01 13:56
Quoting Blackjack:
He saved the bankster's ass. No one disputes that. Guess he thought that would raise everyone else's boat. . .NOT!


So you'd ha' preferred McPain/"Wink" Palin or Romney/Ryan the monster?
And you seem to forget the huge defect and two wars he inherited from Dimwits/Cheney and their Neocon backers AND the obstructionist, racist congress who were so intent on destroying Obama, they were the most do-nothing unpopular infesters of the Capitol in US history!
I know Ob's anything but perfect (I never expected anything but a centre-left president in his case) and that both of the 1.25-parties here are in the pockets of Wall Street but it's a bleeding' miracle he achieved ANYTHING given the obstacles this hate-filled opposition and all their ditto-heads around the country rained down on him!
If you're gonna criticize, at least declare an alternative!
 
 
+13 # WestWinds 2015-04-01 16:52
[quote name="reiverpac ific"] "And you seem to forget the huge defect and two wars he inherited from Dimwits/Cheney and their Neocon backers ..."

--- True, he inherited a lot, but a some point he picked up where they left off and between invading other countries (like Africa which the MSM is hiding from us,) and his trusty drone program, he has been stroking under his own steam for quite some time and has to be held accountable for his part in today's mess.
Obama is just no saint.
 
 
+6 # reiverpacific 2015-04-01 20:36
Quoting WestWinds:
[quote name="reiverpacific"] "And you seem to forget the huge defect and two wars he inherited from Dimwits/Cheney and their Neocon backers ..."

--- True, he inherited a lot, but a some point he picked up where they left off and between invading other countries (like Africa which the MSM is hiding from us,) and his trusty drone program, he has been stroking under his own steam for quite some time and has to be held accountable for his part in today's mess.
Obama is just no saint.

I certainly never said he was -just pointed out the racist, "NO" obstructionist opposition of poisoned dwarves he had to endure, and that I'd never expected truly progressive bod in the first place, which is why so many on this forum shoot him down.
But in could ha' been a lot worse within the 1.25-party structure you seem to be stuck with ad infinitum, short of a pitchforks revolution, or a change to a Parliamentary system.
In addition -and again, I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I think, observant and common-sensical enough, having been in and out of this country as a resident alien since the 1970's, I truly believe that he is basically of good heart with a sense of humor but was taken aside sometime around inauguration by those shadowy Military/Corpor ate/Neocon criminals who REALLY run things here, and told "Listen up Bubba -this is how things REALLY work here and if you push back too hard -well remember JFK, RFK, MLK, -and your beautiful family"!
 
 
+2 # WestWinds 2015-04-02 18:29
#reiverpacific:

--- I don't doubt he got a talking to, but he should have stood up against them and told them he'd "take it to the people" and then done it. He's no Harry Truman. I think he's weak, myself and just went with the path of least resistance.

But don't forget, he was hand picked by Harry Reid to run. Reid is no Progressive and he doesn't come from a Progressive state, either. So, why would Harry tap anyone else but a "Moderate" or "Centrist" with Right leaning politics to run?

Put this together with BHO's background (the Right-wing schools he went to and then picking U. Chicago to work in as a teacher; ref: The Friedman brothers and trickle-down nothing,) you can't tell me that somehow BHO is Little Boy Lost and we all should kiss his boo-boos and make it all better. No way, Jose! This character knew EXACTLY what he was up to, Reid recognized a fellow termite and the two bonded and We the People have been shafted ever since. I'm just not willing to cut BHO any slack.

You just put BHO up side by side with Edward Snowden, huh? Snowden is a man of the people, has a conscience, isn't a limelighting self-absorbed (blank-tard) that is willing to sell out his country or her people to get ahead and line his own pockets. Snowden is paying the price while BHO snacks on caviar and rock lobster. Gimme a break, r.p., this guy is one of the little men behind the green velvet curtain and doesn't deserve our sympathies.
 
 
+3 # reiverpacific 2015-04-03 13:26
Very briefly @ "WestWinds"
I'm not gonna drag this out ad infinitum but I hope you don't get to choose between the disappearance or murder of your family -if you have one- and knuckling under someday. It's easy to let "I would" wait upon "I dare not", from the sidelines!
John Trudell of A.I.M. had his house, wife and three young children firebombed by the FBI, or fink-hired thugs thereof in the early 1970's and all HE was doing was talking!
I myself have been beaten, jailed and deported from one country for direct and indirect but relentless peace, human and civil rights activism, as well as related activities, many at my own risk but I was single then. Although my beliefs have solidified if anything since that time, I doubt if I'd have the cojonés to do it now.
Threats to peoples' loved ones as a device of power manipulation are as old as human conflict and always effective.
 
 
0 # bingers 2015-04-04 16:55
Obviously you are unfamiliar with the real Snowden. He did one good thing and the rest of his life has been a horror. At least to a liberal. He's a dyed in the wool RWNJ.
 
 
+8 # wantrealdemocracy 2015-04-01 21:14
Under our only two party system we have to just figure out which party is the REALLY bad one---but that does not make the other one good. They are both owned and operated by the top 1%. We have to get over political parties all together. We need elected officials who will vote IN OUR NAME for what the constituents want. We must all seek an alternative. You have to find good honest moral people in your district that will promise to vote as directed by the living breathing people who live and are registered to vote in the district. That is your job---not to figure out which corporate lackey is not quite as bad as the other corporate lackey.
 
 
0 # WestWinds 2015-04-02 18:33
#wantrealdemocracy:

--- Good one, w.r.d.
 
 
-9 # Devildog 2015-04-01 13:56
Everything is coming up roses when your Barbra Streisand!She would piss on your leg and tell you it's raining!
 
 
+15 # Cassandra2012 2015-04-01 15:53
Quoting Devildog:
Everything is coming up roses when your Barbra Streisand!She would piss on your leg and tell you it's raining!

Uh no you seem to have her confused with Reagan and his BS 'trickle-down' economy.....
 
 
0 # bingers 2015-04-04 16:57
[quote name="Devildog" ]Everything is coming up roses when your Barbra Streisand!She would piss on your leg and tell you it's raining![/quote

That is the right wing story, not hers.
 
 
+11 # Merlin 2015-04-01 14:00
This is just corporatist propaganda dressed up in neoliberal Democratic clothes. And yes, we are going to be bitten badly, if we buy into this “everything is so much better” horsepucky.

It sounds like Barbara is just reading off a prepared script. Unfortunately her celebrity will sell a lot of people who don’t pay attention to the reality we are all facing on a daily basis.

It should be noted that Barbara is not exactly poor. Who does her rich voice truly represent?
 
 
-4 # James Marcus 2015-04-01 14:28
Ignorant Blather? or, a Whore for The Big Money?
(Please, do us all a favor, and stick to singing and acting...)
 
 
+3 # Johnny 2015-04-01 14:44
Thank you, RSN, for enlightening us with the opinions of Nobel Prize in Economics winner Barbara Streisand.
 
 
+17 # fredboy 2015-04-01 14:48
Yep, and he did it WITHOUT our assholic, over-tanned Congress. Those idiots should return all their paychecks.
 
 
+2 # Phlippinout 2015-04-02 08:37
Time clocks for the Congress.
 
 
+11 # Terry Allen 2015-04-01 14:49
Oh brother....

Barbara is delusional and completely out if touch....I laugh when those in ivory towers make statements about economics. She has no idea what she is talking about.

Of course the rich are doing better.....but the rest of us...(the 99%) got and are still getting screwed.

Just shut up Barbara and go sing a song....
 
 
+13 # Terry Allen 2015-04-01 14:55
Quoting Terry Allen:
Oh brother....

Barbara is delusional and completely out if touch....I laugh when those in ivory towers make statements about economics. She has no idea what she is talking about.

Of course the rich are doing better.....but the rest of us...(the 99%) got and are still getting screwed.

Just shut up Barbara and go sing a song....


Just to make sure everyone understands, I am not an O'bama supported or a Republican in any form.....there are no significant differences between corportist wall street sucking Democrats or corportist wall street sucking Republicans....
 
 
+8 # suzyskier 2015-04-01 15:07
Sorry but Barbra is entitled to her opinion whether you agree or not. After all you seem pretty opinionated yourself, why is your comment of so much more value than hers? It's still a free country that allows idiots like Limbaugh and Beck plus all of Fox News to say what ever they want, personally don't think they have great minds.
 
 
+13 # Terry Allen 2015-04-01 15:48
Of course she's entitled to her opinion, but she is misleading with her comments and affecting others in our economy and the political situation, and in some ways promoting the status quo and not offering the change that is required to get millions of us out of poverty caused by the moronic two party system catering to Wall Street for their own personal reasons or just downright stupidity, and for some, criminal behavior.

So see, a person of her stature with a pulpit and a voice has a big responsibility, she needs to use that pulpit and voicing of her opinions for good and not for destruction. that ridiculous old idea that if it's good for Wall Street and the banks it's good for everyone, it's so Republican.

I for one am sick of getting trickled on, whether it's by Republicans, Democrats or Barbra Streisand.
 
 
-5 # Cassandra2012 2015-04-01 15:56
but apparently much more 'vocal' about female Barbra S.
 
 
+4 # dbrize 2015-04-01 16:37
Quoting Cassandra2012:
but apparently much more 'vocal' about female Barbra S.


So, would it be ok if it was "Bob" Streisand he was complaining about?
 
 
+3 # reiverpacific 2015-04-01 20:44
Quoting Terry Allen:
Of course she's entitled to her opinion, but she is misleading with her comments and affecting others in our economy and the political situation, and in some ways promoting the status quo and not offering the change that is required to get millions of us out of poverty caused by the moronic two party system catering to Wall Street for their own personal reasons or just downright stupidity, and for some, criminal behavior.

So see, a person of her stature with a pulpit and a voice has a big responsibility, she needs to use that pulpit and voicing of her opinions for good and not for destruction. that ridiculous old idea that if it's good for Wall Street and the banks it's good for everyone, it's so Republican.

I for one am sick of getting trickled on, whether it's by Republicans, Democrats or Barbra Streisand.

Y'know, she's only being published on RSN -not the impotent US owner-media, -just like the rest of us in fact, so where's y'r problem?
It's hardly a "bully-pulpit" in regards to numbers reached (sadly) -and neither ClearChannel nor "Fixed" News, or even "Democracy Now!" at the other end of the scale, are liable to pick her little piece up her up, ergo, that evens things out a bit, dun nit, eh, what?!
 
 
+8 # WestWinds 2015-04-01 17:10
Quoting suzyskier:
Sorry but Barbra is entitled to her opinion whether you agree or not. ...


--- It's one thing to "have an opinion" and throw it into the hat for group process and review to see if it holds water and can lead to some knowledge or understanding of value that will help solve the problems we are having, and it's another thing to toss opinions around because you are trying to whitewash a raw deal or sell us on an intrinsically bad idea or candidate.

Barbra is a very wealthy woman and as such she rightfully belongs to the upper classes and is looking for politics that will protect her assets and earnings, but as #Merlin says: "Unfortunately her celebrity will sell a lot of people who don’t pay attention to the reality we are all facing on a daily basis."

Quite possibly she is trying to change our Progressive minds about the true reality of things and get us on board for the next cycle of status quo voting.

Taking the word of some celebrity without doing the grunt work for finding out exactly what some office holder or candidate is really up to and all about is the lazy man's way out, and the results are disastrous.

See Part 2
 
 
+14 # WestWinds 2015-04-01 17:16
Part 2

My family were the poor who fled Ireland and as a kid, I never heard anything but politics being discussed at the table when three generations got together for meals or just tea. We have gotten away from this allowing the corporations to make our clothes, shoes, cars, food and do our thinking for us. We need to get out of this dangerous rut.
 
 
0 # bingers 2015-04-04 17:00
The fact that she is rich doesn't matter. Ted Kennedy was far richer and spent his whole life fighting the good fight for the little guy. She does so also, but to a lesser degree.
 
 
+7 # wantrealdemocracy 2015-04-01 21:18
Barbara is very rich. That needs to be taken into consideration when she speaks about how things are just wonderful in our debt soaked nation. She's OK and so are her friends. I'm not. Nor is my family.
 
 
+1 # Justice Lady 2015-04-03 16:20
Yes I agree with you Want real democracy.
But we won't get it & nothing will really change until we "raise the margin of production" & thus raise the scale of wages & end unemployment, by openining up the land being held by speculators. The only way to do this is by a Single Tax on land & natural resource values as Henry George explained in "Progress & Poverty". He showed how there are economic & moral laws that are being violated & the result is our sick, unjust,unequal, unstable economy.There are many wrong ways to do things & that's all we've been getting from our politicians. But only one right way., that the powers that be have suprpressed & ingnored.
 
 
0 # WestWinds 2015-04-02 18:43
Quoting suzyskier:
Sorry but Barbra is entitled to her opinion whether you agree or not. After all you seem pretty opinionated yourself, why is your comment of so much more value than hers? It's still a free country that allows idiots like Limbaugh and Beck plus all of Fox News to say what ever they want, personally don't think they have great minds.


--- If she were just an ordinary person, I'd say yes. But for anyone who has celebrity status, they need to shoulder the onus of being responsible and not just shilling for their own pocketbooks.
Barbra has mega celebrity status, therefore she needs to especially watch her P's and Q's.
 
 
-2 # Justice Lady 2015-04-03 16:25
Terry Allen,
You're right, she obviously hasn't read Henry George's writings, the most widely read economist of his day. So she's as muddle headed as the rest of the economists who have gotten us into this fix & are controlled by the powers that be & don't want real change that would make for a just, healthy & equal oportunity economy.
 
 
+22 # Old Uncle Dave 2015-04-01 15:14
For the investor class the economy has turned around. For the working class, not so much.
 
 
+16 # dbrize 2015-04-01 15:15
Aw, c'mon now folks. Barbra has merely exercised her right as a member of the 1% in good standing, to report the minutes of their latest meeting.

File these "stats" in the same drawer as the old Soviet workers joke, "they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work...", a chuckle never hurts the soul.

One area that is still bipartisan is the creation of government economic statistics. They are carefully massaged with GIGO precision. No matter the administration.

Example: we know that 5.5 unemployment is nothing to brag about and we also are aware that the real rate is most certainly higher. Methodology matters.

And, the rise of the dollar is great for folks like Streisand who may be planning exotic vacations to lands with weaker currencies, but it certainly is no great deal for job creation here.

As well, one important part of job creation, shale oil, is going to skewer future statistics in a very negative way.

We could go on, but hey, why ruin the "good news", at least Barbra has friends in high places. The rest of us should be so lucky.
 
 
+9 # Art947 2015-04-01 15:31
One can bet that the Rethugnicans are, and will continue to say that the economy is better BECAUSE they prevented Obama's proposals from taking effect!

Remember the Stimulus Package that was watered down with extra tax cuts for the rich? Note that they opposed a "bailout" of GM. How much deeper would the recession have been if GM went bankrupt? "Defense" spending is growing in the Rethugnican-pro posed budgets. This is a bottomless pit that takes money and support away from those on the bottom rungs of the economic ladder.

Please note that no one really denies the rich their opportunities to get richer. Most of us just wish that it wasn't at the expense of the working-stiffs of this country. Productivity is up, but wages are flat. Corporate America wants a reduction from the taxes that it refuses to pay and instead hides its profits in sham companies located offshore.

Yes, there are whores on both sides of the aisle of American politics. However, one set at least tries to provide some pleasure while it screws us!
 
 
+3 # gnusman 2015-04-01 15:32
I wish democrats would use all this good info in upcoming elections, which they did NOT last November.
By the way, Barbra doesn't look like that anymore, but hey, her brain is beautiful and her voice is wonderful.
 
 
+7 # chuckvw 2015-04-01 15:36
But for my chronic un and underemployment for the past couple of years I could take heart from this piece. Most of the metrics for measuring the health of the economy have been skewed by the rethugs and the neoliberals, including the cost of living and unemployment rate. Banks, hedge funds and rich celebrities are indeed doing very well.
 
 
+5 # BKnowswhitt2 2015-04-01 15:57
For the most part all true. If Obama were a Republican he'd be the greatest president since that Cowboy Hollywood Hill Billy Ronnie Reagan who along with Don Regan created 'Reaganomics' which came full circle to the biggest bust of that nut in 2008 and fittingly happened under the next idiot Republican of similar stature and brain power G. DumbYa .. but the right can't ever utter one syllable positive about any Democrat .. as mum is the word and their Mantra ..
 
 
+4 # shgo 2015-04-01 16:19
for the rich and the banks and wall st maybe - but for the rest of us - ugly that this ignorance shines thru and obliterates every good feeling I ever had for her. do you even know how bad it is for the homeless not far from where you live Ms. B. ?????????
 
 
+1 # Lucretius 2015-04-01 16:35
Good. Since she is so rich, ask her for money!
 
 
+5 # WestWinds 2015-04-01 17:27
#BKnowswhitt2:

--- Don Reagan? I thought it was Paul Harvey and David Stockman who took the economic theory of the Friedman brothers and implemented it as a supply side/trickle down (nothing) model?
 
 
+8 # BKnowswhitt2 2015-04-01 18:53
Don Regan Chairman and CEO of Merrill Lynch prior to becoming appointed to Secretary of the Treasury then the White House Chief of Staff in second term .. implemented Reaganomics giving deep tax cuts to the already wealthy and Wall Street whereby together they championed the term Trickle Down Economics and eco Oxy-Moron' .. among other false credits of economic theivery at the top and beginning a new era in politics they championed the dismantling of the 'social state' as Reagan did while governor of California ...
 
 
+9 # BKnowswhitt2 2015-04-01 18:57
Stockman was 'budget director' and these were the days that Donald Rumsfeld reared his ugly head as well .. later brought us Iraq III .. great history there .. why ISSIS is what it is today .. because of those pricks in office ..
 
 
+13 # Peace Anonymous 2015-04-01 19:59
Once again the comments prove to be an insightful view into the minds of the American electorate. While the debate rages between Republicans and Democrats, American corporations, which control both parties, are loading up the wealth of the world, and they don't care where it comes from. When U.S. corporations want to invade Afghanistan - we invade Afghanistan. When American corporations want to invade Iraq - we invade Iraq. As defense budgets go through the roof and thousands die, the truth is American corporations do not care about the welfare of the taxpayers any more than they care about the welfare of the people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

There is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. They publicly argue - just like "professional" wrestlers - and then go out for a beer together after the public display is over. If Obama has managed to succeed at anything it most certainly pales in comparison to the hope and dreams we all had when "Change You Can Believe In" was elected in 2008.

The single greatest obstacle to a future of peace and moral responsibility is the fiscal manipulation of the political process by defense contractors, oil companies, the banking industry, and the corporate agenda in general. You can all spend your time pointing fingers as you squabble over who is right or wrong, but the system is a mess and democracy is nothing but a distant memory.

Who's "fault" is it? Look in the mirror.
 
 
+1 # BKnowswhitt2 2015-04-01 22:14
You identify something correct with regard to money to politics required to win elections that are based upon expensive television advertising and as well internet and other devices. Those with the dough win those without lose. As for both parties are the same i strongly disagree. Both are beholden to the money makers .. to win .. however ideologically they differ greatly .. to say that you favor the Republicans Why? Because they more back the kind of money making corporate entities that you decry ... money at all costs .. people second .. that is not the manna of the Democratic Party or their ideology historically nor today ..
 
 
+2 # BKnowswhitt2 2015-04-01 22:17
Also what corporations wanted to invade Iraq? Individuals did .. Cheney Rumsfeld Bush II Wolfowitz and more ... what corporations played their role into invading Iraq? Cheney was of Halliburton certainly he did on a kick forward however corporations dont' start wars .. people do ..
 
 
-2 # BKnowswhitt2 2015-04-01 22:22
Just because there is a company or business that is 'incorporated' that alone does not make them evil. Certainly there can be pointed out that our economy is dependant upon responsible corporations that provide jobs services and goods .. the problem is not incorporation alone that makes it corrupt ... that is in my view an over simplification as identifying a problemo ... No?
 
 
+4 # Merlin 2015-04-01 23:29
BKnowswhitt2 2015-04-01 22:22
Just because there is a company or business that is 'incorporated' that alone does not make them evil.the problem is not incorporation alone that makes it corrupt ... that is in my view an over simplification as identifying a problemo ... No?

Yes, I agree it is an over simplification.

The problem as I see it, is that the people to blame are the ones who essentially own the corporations through whom they effect their agenda. Corporations are just tools to get the wanted policies done. So, for instance it is the corporations who hire the lawyers and lobbyists that manipulate the Congress. The banksters are the generals behind the scene giving orders to be carried out. Highly placed individuals like neocons (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Krystal, Bolton, etc. and the list is long) are well compensated to carry out the oligarch’s agenda. Although all are at fault, they too are just the tools to get the job done.

To Blame the Congress, be they D’s or Rs, the corporations, or even the President or Bibi, is doing no more than stepping on ants. They all work for the same bosses. Without getting at the Queen, the ants will keep coming out endlessly. (There is a never ending supply of people who will happily do the masters bidding for 30 pieces of silver.) We need to vigorously go after the Queen (the banksters who are the real cause of all the problems.)
 
 
-2 # BKnowswhitt2 2015-04-02 23:35
To summarize your view then what i get is this. Every one is slave to the Money Holders and there are no exceptions and the Money Holders who have their feet on everyones neck have total control everyone else is a pawn in their game ... still to theoretical and generalized to digest as identifying problems and solutions though you do identify one element ...
 
 
+2 # Merlin 2015-04-03 02:01
BKnowswhitt2 2015-04-02 23:35
Yes your summary is essentially correct. That was not my main thrust however. I was not trying to solve problems.

I am concerned by so many people, even here on RSN, where people do express an interest in what is happening, not recognizing who the real enemy is. Most people blame only what they see on the surface, (bad legislators, neocon assholes, lobbyists, etc.) and do not consider the "man behind the curtain." The movie The Wizard of OZ does explain the analogous reality I see.

Until Toto pulls back the curtain and exposes the reality, Dorothy is overwhelmed by the theatrics the unseen Wizard is creating. Once she sees that reality she can deal with the phony crap being thrown her way.

Until we pull back the curtain on the oligarch's manipulations and see the complete picture the only results we will achieve will be insignificant.
 
 
-1 # BKnowswhitt2 2015-04-03 22:55
Toto and the Oligarchs lose all power IF .. we went back to what the Constitution required initially .. no large unrepresenting districting of size too large to represent regional interests .. if we did so the House would have 1500 elected members and the senate would triple .. minorities would be equaling represented as would everyone .. at least compared to today's current politico layout .. THEN .. create Federal Funded Campaigns whereby elected officials in their regions they represent would be subsidized to get the same amount of television airtime and internet .. media to balance off the abuse of money that one sides the present system .. the country it's policies and it's elected representation would then reflect a real Democracy ...
 
 
+5 # reiverpacific 2015-04-01 20:14
Quoting WestWinds:
#reiverpacific:

--- What's the deal with Franken? I haven't been following him. Do tell. Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks :)


Really?
You do know that he was a famous comedian who started on "Saturday Night Live" although I don't remember it as I was all over the planet when that was popular and I'm not a TV buff at the best of times; if I'm wrong about his comedic origins, I'm sure that somebody will correct me eftsoons and right speedily.
Currently, he's the junior senator from Minnesota, very much in the Paul Wellstone mold, who's successor Norm Coleman Franken ousted after he was murdered (My opinion but based on a certain amount of research) in a plane crash subsequent to voting against the Iraq war and being threatened by Torquemada Cheney.
A.F. is one of the more progressive and outspoken voices in the Beltway integrity butchery and seems to be hanging on well.
The rest, including updates, you can find out quite quickly for yourself in the currently normal manner with a search engine of y'r choice.
 
 
+1 # BKnowswhitt2 2015-04-01 22:55
That's an inflammatory accusation and unfounded kind of rhetoric that drives us further away from truth which is what we need to identify today. To speculate that Cheney et al needed to murder a democratically elected official to invade Iraq on lies is a great stretch .. all he had to do was .. threaten withdrawal of aid internationally for those countries that did not participate ... use his arm in the CIA to cook false intelligence including using tax dollars to put on a great charade to Senators attending using old info from Iraq 1991 .. and out Valerie Plame to counter her husbands objections about the aluminum tubes contrived and falsely tying Saddam Hussein to a program of WMD's .. he didn't need to kill Wellstone you see my friend ...........
 
 
+1 # Terry Allen 2015-04-01 21:18
Where does the party line come from Barbara is defending? Some high-level committee of course looking down upon us poor mortals, weighing what will the population buy to get them elected or stay in office, not what's best for the country. The Republican Party works the same of course, everything is scripted and acted out like a B movie.

Where do the statistics come from Barbara throws out as evidence? Crystal ball and palm readers graduated from 1 bedroom houses with lights in the window figuratively graduated to Las Vegas magician status with big salaries pulling numbers out of there asses.....a case in point the unemployment figures, derived from adding up only those that are collecting unemployment checks and ignoring those who have given up looking for a job, even if you work only 1 hour a week you aren't counted. In reality unemployment is double the official numbers.

To be fair to Barbara, pretty much all elected Democrats, Republicans, and party shills say and act the same way in concert. Its stupid and frustrating for us to watch this charade, like being forced to watch an elementary school play, for instance the ridiculous debate over raising the debt ceiling, it's really a big joke, what's the point?

Unfortunately we, the 99% feel the pain from these stupid policies concocted by these political idiots, educated as attorneys and bean counters, but thinking and making decisions like witches and alchemists.

You go Barbara, you go girl.....
 
 
+3 # madams12 2015-04-01 22:19
I voted twice for Obama...however , his Hahvahd friends (who mostly worked on Wall Street) stated amply that he was their friend and that he was a conservative. Would those Rethuglicans but open their hating eyes they would notice that Obama has been their bestest president since Eisenhower....T hat said I would only add one more thing about Obama that is absolutely galling...he says one thing and does the opposite....as for example: today he APPROVED SHELL TO RETURN TO ARTIC SEA to DRILL FOR OIL. They STILL will need to have Permits and approval by two different agencies and I am sure they will probably approve..but THIS was why Obama 'vetoed' the KEYSTONE...beca use (essentially it was already built via smaller separate lines anyway) and because he planned to approve this larger worse project that will destroy the last pristine area in the oceans. WE MUST PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. Shell is already in the process of moving their rig equipment North they are SO SURE they'll get approved. JUST SAY NO!!
 
 
+2 # JSRaleigh 2015-04-02 11:46
The economy HAS turned around for some small percentage of the American People.

They say "a rising tide lifts all boats". Doesn't do much for those who have been pushed out of the boat and are desperately treading water.
 
 
-1 # bingers 2015-04-04 17:12
Quoting JSRaleigh:
The economy HAS turned around for some small percentage of the American People.

They say "a rising tide lifts all boats". Doesn't do much for those who have been pushed out of the boat and are desperately treading water.


That small percentage would be the 5% more who are employed, not an insignificant number. Now if we got the Republicans to the point where they couldn't obstruct progress everyone except the bloated rich would be doing better.
 
 
+2 # PABLO DIABLO 2015-04-02 12:40
Who cares what Barbara thinks. Interesting how many comments about a movie Star and how few an article on war elicits.
WAKE UP AMERICA.
 
 
+1 # Robbee 2015-04-03 15:18
all bush 2's presidency proved is that cutting taxes on the rich does nothing to grow the economy or to create jobs

itt romney promised if we only stayed the course on tax cuts, or doubled down, the 2nd time around for the rich would grow the economy and create 12 million jobs

obama proved that despite raising taxes we could create 13 or 14 million jobs

about the economy, stupid, the market has spoken - those who forget lessons of history are mindless zomblicans who doom us to endlessly repeat their disasters
 

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