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Fallon writes: "It's official: torture doesn't work. Waterboarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, did not in fact 'produce the intelligence that allowed us to get Osama bin Laden,' as former Vice President Dick Cheney asserted in 2011."

Dick Cheney. (photo: Getty Images)
Dick Cheney. (photo: Getty Images)


Dick Cheney Was Lying About Torture: Senate Report Confirms It Didn't Work

By Mark Fallon, Politico

09 December 14

 

t’s official: torture doesn’t work. Waterboarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11, did not in fact “produce the intelligence that allowed us to get Osama bin Laden," as former Vice President Dick Cheney asserted in 2011. Those are among the central findings of the Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA interrogation and detention after 9/11.

The report’s executive summary is expected to be released Tuesday. After reviewing thousands of the CIA’s own documents, the committee has concluded that torture was ineffective as an intelligence-gathering technique. Torture produced little information of value, and what little it did produce could’ve been gained through humane, legal methods that uphold American ideals.

I had long since come to that conclusion myself. As special agent in charge of the criminal investigation task force with investigators and intelligence personnel at Guantanamo Bay, Afghanistan, and Iraq, I was privy to the information provided by Khalid Sheik Mohammed. I was aware of no valuable information that came from waterboarding. And the Senate Intelligence Committee—which had access to all CIA documents related to the “enhanced interrogation” program—has concluded that abusive techniques didn’t help the hunt for Bin Laden. Cheney’s claim that the frequent waterboarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed “produced phenomenal results for us" is simply false.

The self-defeating stupidity of torture might come as news to Americans who’ve heard again and again from Cheney and other political leaders that torture “worked.” Professional interrogators, however, couldn’t be less surprised. We know that legal, rapport-building interrogation techniques are the best way to obtain intelligence, and that torture tends to solicit unreliable information that sets back investigations.

Yes, torture makes people talk—but what they say is often untrue. Seeking to stop the pain, people subjected to torture tend to say what they believe their interrogators want to hear.

The report is essential because it makes clear the legal, moral, and strategic costs of torture. President Obama and congressional leaders should use this opportunity to push for legislation that solidifies the ban on torture and cruel treatment. While current law prohibits these acts, US officials employed strained legal arguments to authorize abuse.

A law could take various forms: a codification of the president’s 2009 executive order banning torture, for example, or an expansion of the 2005 Detainee Treatment Act so that key protections in it would apply to the CIA as well as the military. However it’s designed, a new law would help the country stay true to its ideals during times of crisis and guard against a return to the “dark side.”

And dark it was. Terms like “waterboarding” and “enhanced interrogation” obscure the brutal, sometimes bloody, reality. It was about the delivery of pain. The U.S. government authorized previously taboo techniques, which—along with a take-the-gloves-off message coming from the top—led to even greater horrors. You can draw a line from the “enhanced interrogation” to the barbarism of Abu Ghraib.

The ostensible purpose of torture was to save lives, but it has had the exact opposite effect. Torture was a PR bonanza for enemies of the United States. It enabled—and, in fact, is still enabling—al Qaeda and its allies to attract more fighters, more sympathizers, and more money.

Some have argued against releasing the report because they predict that it will spark anti-American anger around the world. Such a possibility, however, is an argument not against the kind of transparency and Congressional oversight inherent to a well-functioning democracy; it’s an argument against torture. Indeed, by employing such an argument, people are implicitly acknowledging that torture saps the country’s credibility and threatens its national security.

Over the coming days, you’ll be hearing numerous torture defenders claim it kept Americans safe. Don’t believe them. Many of us charged with the mission of getting information out of terrorists didn’t resort to using torture. Like many Americans, we didn’t want our government to use torture, and we hope it never does again.

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+53 # wrknight 2014-12-09 09:59
A blinding flash of the obvious.
 
 
+35 # HowardMH 2014-12-09 11:22
So when is the lying bastard going to go on trial???

Ohhhh, I almost forgot Obama the Wimp wouldn,t want that to happen to Bushie's Brain.
 
 
+11 # Douglas Jack 2014-12-09 11:57
Thanks Mark Fallon for revealing your own experience. "We know that legal, rapport-buildin g interrogation techniques are the best way to obtain intelligence, and that torture tends to solicit unreliable information that sets back investigations. " I feel your testimony coming from your heart, in alarm at being part of a cruel, unjust & guilty regime & nation. All this flows from a colonial society based in a lifestyle of continuing worldwide genocide. Dick Cheney, GW Bush with their crew of NWO war-criminals & Obama for aiding & abetting are only voices to what most of us don't say.

As colonists, still 'exogenous' (Latin 'other-generate d') to the people & land, we all need to take responsibility for our homes, communities & nations. All humanity's worldwide 'Indigenous' (L 'self-generatin g') peoples take responsibility through attitude of conditional welcome. Europe's refugees from war, ecological & economic dysfunction were openly welcomed, fed, clothed, housed & healed by 1st Nations but with the provision to act in respect to the laws & customs of this place. Our role as caring individuals is to replicate 'indigenous' welcome in our own lives with intentional proximity & inclusive economy. We accomplish welcome through humanity's ancestral 'kindness' called, 'Kaianerekowa' (Iroquois 'Great-good-way -of-kindness') or Ubuntu' (southern Africa Nguni 'Human-kindness ') & other similar descriptions worldwide. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/home/2-mutual-aid
 
 
-1 # Kootenay Coyote 2014-12-09 21:35
Sorry, Doug: 'exogenous' means 'born outside' a given category - community, tribe, ethnic group, nation &c.
 
 
-2 # Douglas Jack 2014-12-10 14:49
sorry Kootenay, In our 4 decades old dialogue, words have many meanings or a diversity of interpretations & evolving conditions. One (any speaker or writer) is obligated to describe exactly how she or he uses terms whenever possible in order to facilitate a reader's understanding of what one is trying to say.

I state exactly what I mean so readers understand my interpretation. My Exo & Indi etymology is influenced by French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian & other etymological treatment. I acknowledge other ways in which 'exogenous' is referred to in certain sources. Wiki suggests the following, "Exogenous (from Greek exo, meaning "outside", and gignomai, meaning "to produce") refers to an action or object coming from outside a system. It is the opposite of endogenous, something generated from within the system."
Exo & endo or indi are associate terms of contrast.

In post & continuing genocide colonial-era, racial-based colonial systems worldwide dominate, even though specific individuals & societies who act 'exogenous' (as it originally implies) are born within the now colonial system. 'Exo', in evolving colonial violence, no longer refers to where one is born, can be better understood from an associated meaning 'other'. 'Genous' is better understood from its associated word form 'to-generate'. Studying 'cognates' associated with words & syllables, shows diversity of meaning used in ancient times as well as our own considering constant transformations of language.
 
 
+2 # ritawalpoleague 2014-12-11 07:42
So sad but true, wrknight. Here's what I wrote, in total disgust, in 2006:

VOTER'S LAMENT (sung to the tune of "When It's Howdy Doody Time" and "Tah Rah Rah Boom De Aye":

When it's George and Dickie's time,
Then it's George and Dickie's dime, Patriot's warfare is o.k.,
'Cause they know how to make it pay.

Neocons, they call the shots,
While Americas get the trots,
Clearly paying through the nose,
While the deficit grows and grows.

And the arms boys have their way
While Americans pay and pay.
Better ways to kill and spy,
On Americans as we try...

The Iraqi war to curtail,
And a war in Iran to derail.
We're surveilled and spied upon,
While their spin goes on and on.

Yes, their terror spin has clout,
For it's what they're all about. Keeping folks all scared and green, While they crank their war machine.

For, indeed, greed is their game,
Power is their middle name.
And the devil has his day,
While Americans pay and play.

Then they break the law with ease, Torture if and when they please. Keep the mainstream press in line, Muzzle critics, lie just fine.

When it's George and Dickie's time,
Then it's George and Dickie's crime.
'Cause they rule our land and space,
In dishonor and disgrace.

###

George W. Bush, the pol. puppet clown,
Dick Cheney, Bush's frontal lobe, still lying today re. the evil, so unlawful torture m.o.. UGH!
 
 
+2 # politicfix 2014-12-11 10:05
A continual reminder that the very rich have no rules and can do pretty much anything they want without repercussions.
 
 
+3 # politicfix 2014-12-11 10:06
The day we put Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld in jail will be the day the rest of the world will know we believe what we're suppose to advocate.
 
 
+96 # Barbara K 2014-12-09 10:07
Of course Cheney lied about the torture results, he lies about everything. Hope he gets arrested soon. He belongs in prison, and he has put our soldiers at grave risk, soldiers who should not have been there anyway.

..
 
 
+30 # Pickwicky 2014-12-09 12:55
BarbaraK--so right. And don't you love the pix of Cheney above? If ever Cheney's demonic, madcap nature was caught on film--this is it!
 
 
+17 # reiverpacific 2014-12-09 17:04
Quoting Pickwicky:
BarbaraK--so right. And don't you love the pix of Cheney above? If ever Cheney's demonic, madcap nature was caught on film--this is it!


Aye; looks like he's sayin' to these poor buggers "You're all patriotic cannon-fodder -get used to it, 'cause you can't get five deferrals like I did! Neener-neener-n eener!"
 
 
+4 # RobertMStahl 2014-12-09 14:48
The proof is here:
http://www.firstrebuttal.com/2014/12/07/the-most-essential-lesson-of-history-that-no-one-wants-to-admit/#comment-1251
 
 
+61 # REDPILLED 2014-12-09 10:14
Cheney's behavior and demeanor are that of a sociopath. In a sane world, sociopaths such as he would never be allowed near positions of power.

Instead, our system rewards them.

By the way, the U.N. Convention Against Torture was ratified by the U.S. Senate in 1994, making torture illegal and, due to Article VI of the Constitution, part of the oath all U.S. politicians and military swear to uphold. Obama was required by this treaty, now part of the Constitution, to prosecute all those involved with the torture committed by many members of the Bush/Cheney administration, U.S. armed forces, and the CIA. His refusal to abide by that treaty and law are grounds for his impeachment, but we already know that U.S. "leaders" only obey laws which are convenient and suit their imperialist policies. They expect us to obey the law, but they violate serious international laws of war and human rights with impunity.
 
 
+15 # polfrosch 2014-12-09 16:17
Laws are for underlings like you and me. We have to obey and may be punished severely for disobedience, even with death by drone.

The real guys don´t believe in the law.

They are above the law. They create laws.

They also create ever new realities, while we stutter: "But, but you said, you would never do that. You said it was a sacred law!"

Then, Cheney just smiles and tells: "Well, I lied". And goes away to his next CNN and Fox interviews.

Its 1984. Get angry. It´s the appropriate reaction.
 
 
+41 # Buddha 2014-12-09 10:17
I have to say, it has been very disappointing how Obama and Kerry have been covering for the CIA's obstruction and heavy redaction of documents in this investigation, even the CIA's illegal spying on the Congressional Oversight members. For someone who campaigned as "different" and one who will fight for "transparency", the protection of the CIA and the constant attacks on the press and whistle-blowers comes across like so much else with the Democrats today: GOP lite.

Such a wonderful choice we have in America today...unapolo getic fascists like Cheney, and apologetic smiley-faced ones like Obama. Sigh.
 
 
+44 # Anonymot 2014-12-09 10:21
Cheney purportedly owns a ranch in Paraguay as an escape route for just such an eventuality. Paraguay is where many post-WW II fascist found a safe haven and is still very Germanic. Dicky Boy would feel right at home there.
 
 
+44 # nogardflow 2014-12-09 10:21
Ok, let me see if I understand this. Torture makes us safer, even though we're still fighting opponents recruited at least in part, because we used torture. Now Americans around the world, soldiers and civilians alike, fear reprisal because we used torture. So when does the, torture makes us safer, part kick in?
 
 
-13 # bbaldwin2001 2014-12-09 10:37
Dick Cheney is to the US Government as Hitler was to Germany. He is a mad man. GWB should not have listened to Cheney's circle of men who were all crooks. If Jeb Bush runs for President, I doubt he will have anything to do with this thug or his cohorts. I believe he is smarter than either his father or his brother; however if the Democrats come up with a GREAT candidate then I will not be voting for Jeb, even though I do think he is the smarter of the three Bushes.
 
 
+47 # vt143 2014-12-09 11:02
Jeb, even though I do think he is the smarter of the three Bushes.

That's not very hard.

We're not just looking for smart we're looking for someone who has a soul, a heart. It's been many many generations since the Bush family had either.
 
 
+12 # Henry 2014-12-09 12:44
Quoting bbaldwin2001:
If Jeb Bush runs for President, I doubt he will have anything to do with this thug or his cohorts. I believe he is smarter than either his father or his brother; however if the Democrats come up with a GREAT candidate then I will not be voting for Jeb, even though I do think he is the smarter of the three Bushes.


He may be "smarter," but that doesn't leave him too smart ...
 
 
+19 # Pickwicky 2014-12-09 13:00
bbaldwin2001--b e careful. The Bush family is in deep with Cheney and cohorts. Don't assume that Jeb will be free of Cheney's control-- Cheney's influence may come from the shadows.
 
 
+1 # BKnowswhitt 2014-12-09 13:26
The real monsters were those who attacked us on 9/11 .. believe killing women and children is an act supported by their god etc. This served no purpose to release this info today except to inflate those enemies. As far as Jeb Bush. Go Google his name and health care companies associations. Jeb fought hard against any kind of public healthcare system while gov of FLorida. He sits on two companies boards one in Atlanta . gets several hundred thou a year for keeping that system in FL all private and benefited those companies .. this is business as usual for Republicans Without a Conscience .. 7 Million underclass in Florida are still without healthcare due to Jeb and Redneck Scott his predecessor ..
 
 
+5 # BKnowswhitt 2014-12-09 13:29
And you should ask yourself .. why is this not reported in the mainstream media? And if he runs will not reveal any investigative reporting about this sort of thing? So then people can 'dummy down' like you who don't know these important facts .. anyway . no offense intended that's why we're here on this site .. spread the Truth ...
 
 
+45 # jazzman633 2014-12-09 10:44
Cheney is a monster. He would have been right at home in the upper echelons of the Third Reich.

I am totally creeped out by the way his mouth contorts when he speaks, as if part of it is spinning out lies and BS, while the other part remains immobile, as if in protest against the verbal obscenity coming out the other side.
 
 
+29 # reiverpacific 2014-12-09 10:52
Quoting Anonymot:
Cheney purportedly owns a ranch in Paraguay as an escape route for just such an eventuality. Paraguay is where many post-WW II fascist found a safe haven and is still very Germanic. Dicky Boy would feel right at home there.

Actually, it's Dimwits Bush's family who, through one of the daughters, acquired 98,000 Acres or Hectares in NE Paraguay, over the largest on the continent Guarani aquifer tho' it was news to me that Bush, a lifelong incurious ignoramus, would even know where Paraguay was!
But I'm sure there's a li'l corner of that land that might be reserved for Cheney and the other associated criminals as their travel options shrink.
Paraguay was long a destination of major Nazi war criminals who escaped the Nuremberg Gallows, allegedly aided and abetted by certain US Powers, who also conscripted other Scientists who where working on the Hitler's A-bomb and V-2 programs, to high positions on the Manhattan Project. I was there on a prolonged visit to some Musicians I'd played with during Stroessner's time and the feeling of surveillance in Asuncion and other large towns was palpable -but I loved meeting the indigenous Guaranis who, as all native peoples everywhere, were brutally treated and exploited by the invaders supported by the US military.
Can't be a coincidence that, after a short spell under Leftist President Fernando Lugo, his coup was followed by re-establishmen t of a US Air Force Base in 2005 and Bush's land acquisition.
 
 
+15 # vt143 2014-12-09 10:57
This is not news.

. "FLASH: Cheney told truth!!"

Now THAT would be news.
 
 
+6 # Pickwicky 2014-12-09 13:01
vt 143--you're right: it's not news. It's proof.
 
 
+24 # fredboy 2014-12-09 11:12
You could pretty much end your headline to read simply: DICK CHENEY WAS LYING.

About everything.
 
 
+20 # Archie1954 2014-12-09 11:32
Now that the evidence is public knowledge how about an indictment for both Cheney and Bush. Those monsters should not be running around the country free!
 
 
+20 # Brooklyn Girl 2014-12-09 11:33
"American ideals"? What are those, exactly? i don't know any more.

What's frustrating is that a lot of people don't care that Cheney lied. They think the "terrists" deserve it, the same way they think Michael Brown was a thug and so he deserved to be shot. The fact that Wilson killed an unarmed man doesn't phase them.
 
 
-28 # Pickwicky 2014-12-09 13:11
Brooklyn Girl--Michael Brown was a thug. True, but irrelevant. Brown tried to grab a policeman's gun, then charged at the officer with his head down, rather like an enraged bull (resulting in the bullet wound in the top of Brown's head). In Wilson's mind, Brown didn't "deserve" to be shot, Brown had to be stopped.
 
 
+13 # Ken Halt 2014-12-09 17:21
PW: You swallowed the Koolaid hook, line, and sinker. There's no proof of any of those actions, only Wilson's self-serving testimony.
 
 
+17 # HenryS1 2014-12-09 11:37
Cheney has hugely contributed to the public's non-reaction to leaders' lying, he's trained us to expect it, and trained the media to fear revealing lies.

Most of all, he's provided an example of someone powerful who was willing to commit any possible crime, and to get away with it as a hero to those that matter to him. His adherents are proud of how he retired from the limelight while so many of us damaged by his actions are powerless to exact any consequences for his actions from him.

He is the true face of America to the world.
 
 
+9 # reiverpacific 2014-12-09 11:57
Quoting HenryS1:
Cheney has hugely contributed to the public's non-reaction to leaders' lying, he's trained us to expect it, and trained the media to fear revealing lies.

Most of all, he's provided an example of someone powerful who was willing to commit any possible crime, and to get away with it as a hero to those that matter to him. His adherents are proud of how he retired from the limelight while so many of us damaged by his actions are powerless to exact any consequences for his actions from him.

He is the true face of America to the world.

Careful: I've been expecting ol' "Roland" to jump in and tell us what a great guy the Ghoulish one was and is, as he did earlier in portraying him as a "generous philanthropist" who gave millions of his salary to some causes or other.
Counting down-----!
 
 
+1 # walthe310 2014-12-09 11:41
Torture in America http://wp.me/p1H7Ki-5pR
 
 
0 # Douglas Jack 2014-12-09 12:40
walthe, Good source.
Obama can offer a Restorative-Jus tice 'Conditional-Pa rdon' requiring restitution by the perpetrators to the world at large. Given trillions of dollars of damage done by Bush, Cheney, Rove etc., they’d be given the option to a Conditional-Par don which requires them to give every thing they have but a survival salary to their victims as well as the remainder of their lives in restitutional service. The whole of the US, Canadian, NATO, Israeli & S-Arabia Financial-Media -Military-Indus trial-Legislati ve-Complex & the majority of populations, by extension, are as well culpable for aiding & abetting in these war-crimes. Obama has huge restitution to make.

'Do-we-know-who-we-are-?' is an African 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generatin g') cultural economy approach to reorganizing society from the tree-roots. Starting with the neighbourhoods in which we live, a neighbourhood web-site is posted with a Human-Resource- Catalogue, Resource-Mappin g & on-line-account ing within a Community-Inves tment-&-Exchang e-System right where we live. We need to get economy right at the beginning by recognizing every economic contribution female & male, young & old to our livelihood, sustenance & sustainable futures. In welcome & recognition for the gifts of everyone, then we truly know how to live together. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/9-do-we-know-who-we-are
 
 
+5 # Trish42 2014-12-09 11:52
Thom Hartman just came up with a good solution for Cheney and Bush (since we apparently will never punish them appropriately). He suggests that Obama pardon them. That would send the message that they are indeed war criminals....
 
 
0 # Trish42 2014-12-09 12:02
Oops. Hartman was referencing the NYT article by Romero calling for a formal pardon of Tenet, Bush, Cheney, etc.
 
 
-31 # lnason@umassd.edu 2014-12-09 12:08
The problem with this report is that we know, for a fact, that at least one of its conclusions is untrue. We know, for a fact, that the lead that led to the mission to kill Osama ben Laden was collected during one of these "enhanced interrogation" sessions.

While I do not approve of "enhanced interrogation," this report undermines anti-torture arguments by telling blatant lies to support one's position. This report is, in fact, counterproducti ve on many levels and will, I assume, be quickly debunked by those who favor the use of torture.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
 
 
+13 # dbrize 2014-12-09 14:30
Quoting lnason@umassd.edu:
The problem with this report is that we know, for a fact, that at least one of its conclusions is untrue. We know, for a fact, that the lead that led to the mission to kill Osama ben Laden was collected during one of these "enhanced interrogation" sessions.

While I do not approve of "enhanced interrogation," this report undermines anti-torture arguments by telling blatant lies to support one's position. This report is, in fact, counterproductive on many levels and will, I assume, be quickly debunked by those who favor the use of torture.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts


Category "blatant lies":

You refer to the OBL with renal failure requiring dialysis? The OBL who lasted under very difficult conditions, twice as long as average? The OBL with insulin dependent diabetes and hepatitis among other ills? The OBL running from safe house to safe house in the hinterlands of AfPak without top flight medical care?

Choose your blatant lies carefully, lest you believe the wrong ones.
 
 
+15 # reiverpacific 2014-12-09 15:09
Quoting lnason@umassd.edu:
The problem with this report is that we know, for a fact, that at least one of its conclusions is untrue. We know, for a fact, that the lead that led to the mission to kill Osama ben Laden was collected during one of these "enhanced interrogation" sessions.

While I do not approve of "enhanced interrogation," this report undermines anti-torture arguments by telling blatant lies to support one's position. This report is, in fact, counterproductive on many levels and will, I assume, be quickly debunked by those who favor the use of torture.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts

As always, you're behind the times, speculating without backup and -well, full of it.
Read, http://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-13257330, then show me ONE sentence that addresses a "Lead" as a result of an earlier "Enhanced interrogation" sessions., other than a brief reference to GITMO detainees.
The CIA had been sending people to OBL's house and compound in Pakistan as "prospective buyers" for months to try and ascertain that it was indeed Bin Laden that was the "Man seen pacing in front of a window" as photographed by a surveillance plane flying below any radar.
Obama decided that this 55/45 chance was worth the risk based on as much recent information as they could gather.
The rest is History. But don't take my word for it: read on -and then belt up!
 
 
+8 # Ken Halt 2014-12-09 22:11
The report is quite lengthy and extremely thorough (38,000 footnotes!) and, according to reports, completely debunks the myth that any useful information was learned through torture. Sorry but your opinion is, as usual, unsupported by facts.
 
 
+12 # kalpal 2014-12-09 12:14
Calling Dick Cheney a liar is akin to insisting that that the Pacific ocean is probably wet in some spots.
 
 
+5 # Ken Halt 2014-12-09 22:12
How do we know that Dick was lying? His lips were moving!
 
 
+15 # dick 2014-12-09 12:16
The torture had many purposes; intell was only a possible bonus. It was meant to deter Jihad recruits, but did the opposite. The main purpose was for Bush-Cheney to ingratiate themselves with religio-racist US psychotics who would wallow with them in the slime of RANDOM Arab-Muslim grotesque suffering.
 
 
0 # Douglas Jack 2014-12-09 13:09
dick Yes, there is a profound Ashkenazi anti-Semitism (against Arab) in this plan. US political process is owned by certain oligarchs of the Finance-Media-M ilitary-Industr ial-Legislative -Complex in severe deference to “Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East The Infamous "Oded Yinon Plan". Introduction by Michel Chossudovsky. Of course this plan fits exactly with its sub-plot for the New World Order & PNAC Project for a New American Century all authored by the same 'trillionaire' (# seconds in 32,000 years) authors & their submissive 'billionaire' (# sec. 32 yrs) oligarch lackeys. This war-based plan to convert the earth into a Jetson vision of a superior artificial lifestyle (toys on a dead planet) is part of a millennia & centuries old colonial strategy. http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815
 
 
+8 # Pickwicky 2014-12-09 13:16
dick (my condolences)
I agree with you about the "wallow." I saw that glee on many faces of Americans who enjoyed the very idea of torture. And I was shocked.
 
 
+9 # Torvus 2014-12-09 14:37
CIA torturers have been merely charged with being 'inaccurate' (lying?) and manipulative with their wily unauthorised behaviour. What, I ask, ARE American values when a man who a few years ago openly admitted that the CIA do torture prisoners and who steadfastly refused to take part in torture, was jailed after having had a Star Chamber-like trial? That man is ex-CIA Mr John Kiriakou. HE was called to account for telling the truth . . . Those who tortured and lied are apparently not going to be held to account but are to be pardoned??? Strange values.
 
 
+10 # polfrosch 2014-12-09 15:25
Torture needs to be banned, NO MATTER if it yields results or not.

It is dangerous to base the argument against torture on it´s inefficiency.

What if torture, e.g. enhanced with drugs, as it was tested already in the cold war, DOES have efficient results?

It might even be: "torture does not produce results" is told to the public to ease our minds, while the knowledge about efficient torture stays arcane knowledge in the 3 letter organisations.

PLEASE, if we want to be civilised, our "do and don´t" decisions have to based on ethics, not on efficiency.

I am scared of the 1984 USA.

All of this is so terribly far away from the USA I got to know (falsely?) as a student.

So much cruelty, so many lies, so much hatred, so much abuse of power.

I cling to what I know about the quakers. They - and Edward Snowden- save the honour of the USA.

I assume if aliens pass by, they take a look at us, tune in to the minds of the real US chiefs, the most powerful people on earth, presumably the wisest humans - that´s when they turn pale green and decide to tag this planet with a warning sign to other interstellar travellers:

"Nuclear danger! Mental hazard! Stay away!"
 
 
+13 # futhark 2014-12-09 17:31
"You give me a water board, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I’ll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders." - Jesse Ventura

Since Mr. Cheney doesn't consider waterboarding to be torture, perhaps he wouldn't object to accepting Mr. Ventura's challenge.
 
 
-17 # Roland 2014-12-09 18:55
The report put together by democrats and released before they became the minority is political. I am sure it is making their base very happy.

How can it be that they never interviewed any CIA leaders involved in the program? Incredible! Obama’s head of the CIA, Brennan and other past CIA directors contradict this report and say we got information from the interrogations.

Who do you believe? The party that supported it and then changed for political purposes? The party led by people like Pelosi who lied saying she was never briefed about torture? Rockefeller? Feinstein?
 
 
+6 # dbrize 2014-12-09 20:13
Quoting Roland:
The report put together by democrats and released before they became the minority is political. I am sure it is making their base very happy.

How can it be that they never interviewed any CIA leaders involved in the program? Incredible! Obama’s head of the CIA, Brennan and other past CIA directors contradict this report and say we got information from the interrogations.

Who do you believe? The party that supported it and then changed for political purposes? The party led by people like Pelosi who lied saying she was never briefed about torture? Rockefeller? Feinstein?


Roland Happy Talk:

Lie? Our CIA? Never. Just ask them.

Did Feinstein, Pelosi, McCrazed and every sentient human in the beltway know? Hell yes. That's why it's coming out so late now, so they can play CYA.

What they really are betting on is that lumpentariat happy talkers like you will defend it or at least, not demand anyone pay a price for it.

Probably going to work.

Mencken, writing about another subject encapsulated it decades ago:

"By what route do otherwise sane men come to believe such palpable nonsense".
 
 
-9 # Roland 2014-12-09 20:24
Do you also want Pelosi and Feinstein and
Rockefeller to pay a price?
 
 
+7 # dbrize 2014-12-09 20:35
Quoting Roland:
Do you also want Pelosi and Feinstein and
Rockefeller to pay a price?


Let the chips fall where they may, no exceptions.
 
 
+3 # Billy Bob 2014-12-10 20:45
exactly.
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2014-12-10 20:46
Whoever is responsible. That's the difference between us and you. We're morally consistent. You're amoral
 
 
+11 # Gootarama 2014-12-09 21:48
My only prayer for Dick Cheney is that he and his wife travel abroad on vacation, and he's arrested and sent to the Hague to face charges of commiting war crimes.
 
 
+4 # Jim Young 2014-12-10 00:57
I always wondered what justification there was supposed to be for keeping this secret from the American people when the rest of the world, especially those family and friends of those tortured knew the truth. It created far more enemies than it prevented.

It is for us to demand they never again do this in our name.
 
 
+5 # kasta626 2014-12-10 12:02
"It is for us to demand they never again do this in our name."
The only solution is a revolution to stop corporate America!
 
 
+3 # corals33 2014-12-10 02:20
The twin pillars of doom for every society, family, civilization,fo r mankind as a whole are LIES and GREED. Simplistic it might sound but yet very profound.This modern culture as we know it is in the last throes of of these two evils. How can supposedly educated people blame Mr. Cheney for lying when they all knew he was lying and accepted the lies as truth.We accepted the lies about Kennedy, Lincoln, 911, Vietnam, Columbus, The "Pilgrim Fathers" who were in fact Freemasons, a free press, Liberty, Fraternity, equality, Forty Acres and a mule and then act as if we are not liars ourselves.Greed waits patiently to show his TRUE colours.
 
 
+3 # corals33 2014-12-10 02:30
To have to slaughter millions of people in pursuit of a hated dictator is laughable if it were not so dreadful.It says a lot for "the secret services" and the "macho warriors" employed in these tasks, not to mention the embedded and otherwise members of "the Free Press" who report the lies without question. It says a lot for DEMOCRACY when delay, denial, disinformation, decadence, disaster and death become the accepted mode of civilized expression.
 
 
0 # corals33 2014-12-10 02:39
Why don't we REDACT the whole damned thing we call living today and lock it away for another few hundred years. What is the point knowing the truth ten, twenty, fifty, a hundred years later. Carpe Diem or cease bleating about your misfortune if you don't.
 
 
+6 # mmcmanus 2014-12-10 10:49
Dick Cheney is the most evil and insidious politician in the history of the United States. His lies are responsible for the unneccesary killing and maiming of many thousands of American soldiers and tens of thousands of foreign civilians. He most certainly did not "keep us safe"--instead his deceptions allowed for the rise of ISIS and other radical, jihadist killers, and has put us at much greater risk for more attacks on the U.S. and its citizens. He should be led to the gallows as punishment.
 
 
+1 # lilluc2 2014-12-11 12:16
Quoting mmcmanus:
Dick Cheney is the most evil and insidious politician in the history of the United States. His lies are responsible for the unneccesary killing and maiming of many thousands of American soldiers and tens of thousands of foreign civilians. He most certainly did not "keep us safe"--instead his deceptions allowed for the rise of ISIS and other radical, jihadist killers, and has put us at much greater risk for more attacks on the U.S. and its citizens. He should be led to the gallows as punishment.


I used to think Cheney looked like the Grinch. Now I know he looks like the devil. I agree with everything above except that he ought to be put on trial. He ought to have to face people whose lives he has destroyed. He ought to have to listen to them, face to face.
 
 
+3 # tomtom 2014-12-10 15:33
Following up on these confessions, without truly being able to differentiate which ones are honest has already ended with us droning the wrong people. Bombing the innocent. That's the problem, not Being able to know which tortured víctim's testimony is real. That, alone, negates them all.
 
 
+3 # maddog2112 2014-12-11 19:56
Of course Cheney lied. No surprise here!! This ass hat along with dumbass bush lied us into a war for financial and political gain for their fascist rightwing party! I hope every soldier and survivors of fallen soldiers lay the blame exactly where it belongs. Tricky DICK Cheney!!! I can only hope this ass hat burns in hell for it!! Easy to see where his heart transplant surely came from. What a sick loser!!!
 
 
+1 # Bolduc619 2014-12-12 21:48
Perhaps you meant the article title to read, "Richard Bruce Cheney, Former US Vice-President and Un-indicted War Criminal..."?
 
 
0 # dregstudios 2014-12-15 14:25
Isn’t old crow Cheney one of the most vile and despicable excuses for a human being ever to set foot in the White House? He’s a vulture and a war-profiteer whose effigy should be lit afire in the streets every day he still walks around a free man. See some art and words defining his role in architecting a Society of Fear at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2010/04/inside-job.html
 

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