RSN Fundraising Banner
FB Share
Email This Page
add comment

Hunter writes: "If we're going to start praising those who thought the Iraq War was a good idea for their foresight ... Let's remember just how 'prophetic' they were."

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld with President George W. Bush. (photo: Helene C. Stikkel/DoD)
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld with President George W. Bush. (photo: Helene C. Stikkel/DoD)

George W. Bush Is the Reason We Have ISIS Today

By Jack Hunter, Rare

09 September 14



n Thursday, Fox News Megyn Kelly highlighted a George W. Bush clip from 2007 in which the president warned withdrawing troops too early would mean “surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda.” Bush said, “It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan.”

Bush finished, “It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.”

Kelly called this “frighteningly accurate.” She’s right.

But it’s accurate in the way your mother told you touching the stove might get you burned. It’s prophetic in the way you just know Rocky Balboa is going to win.

It’s basically a “no sh*t” statement.

Without a Saddam Hussein or a permanent U.S. military presence in Iraq, that country was going to become unstable, creating a vacuum for Islamic extremists to flourish.

Our choices in 2003 were: A. Leave Saddam Hussein’s regime intact and don’t go to war with Iraq. B. Remove Hussein and spend an indefinite amount of time (John McCain proposed 100 years), dollars ($2-$6 trillion) and lives (over 4,000 Americans, far more Iraqis) to suppress the Islamic extremists Saddam had always kept at bay.

Dick Cheney said as much in 1994, when he explained why we didn’t get rid of Hussein during the Persian Gulf War in 1991, “Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein’s government, then what are you going to put in its place? That’s a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off…

In 2004, London’s Telegraph reported, “Tony Blair was warned a year before invading Iraq that a stable post-war government would be impossible without keeping large numbers of troops there for ‘many years’, secret government papers reveal.”

UK’s Foreign Secretary Jack Straw warned Blair, “No one has satisfactorily answered how there can be any certainty that the replacement regime will be any better. Iraq has no history of democracy so no one has this habit or experience.” Regime change, said Straw, “would require the US and others to commit to nation-building for many years. This would entail a substantial international security force.”

Bush’s “frighteningly accurate” statement was just stating the obvious—and it was a situation his administration put us in. As The National Interest’s James Antle noted Friday, “it is simply indisputable that regime change in Iraq set in motion the chain of events that ultimately allowed ISIS to thrive.” President Obama’s decision to aid the Syrian rebels has only served to empower the Islamic State.

The U.S. also left Iraq on a timetable set by the Bush administration. Some prominent Republicans even thought Bush deserved credit for them leaving.

If we’re going to start praising those who thought the Iraq War was a good idea for their foresight…

Let’s remember just how “prophetic” they were:

“Five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn’t going to last any longer than that.” — Donald Rumsfeld 2002

“This is going to be a 2-month war, not a 10-year-war.” —Bill Kristol 2003

“No one can plausibly argue that ridding the world of Saddam Hussein will not significantly improve the stability of the region and the security of American interests and values.” –John McCain 2003

“Iraqi democracy will succeed, and that success will send forth the news, from Damascus to Tehran, that freedom can be the future of every nation.” —George Bush 2003 your social media marketing partner


A note of caution regarding our comment sections:

For months a stream of media reports have warned of coordinated propaganda efforts targeting political websites based in the U.S., particularly in the run-up to the 2016 presidential election.

We too were alarmed at the patterns we were, and still are, seeing. It is clear that the provocateurs are far more savvy, disciplined, and purposeful than anything we have ever experienced before.

It is also clear that we still have elements of the same activity in our article discussion forums at this time.

We have hosted and encouraged reader expression since the turn of the century. The comments of our readers are the most vibrant, best-used interactive feature at Reader Supported News. Accordingly, we are strongly resistant to interrupting those services.

It is, however, important to note that in all likelihood hardened operatives are attempting to shape the dialog our community seeks to engage in.

Adapt and overcome.

Marc Ash
Founder, Reader Supported News

+67 # Dust 2014-09-09 16:12
So why have we not sent all of these "gentlemen" to prison for life, or given them the death penalty they apparently love so much, for crimes against humanity?
+12 # ritawalpoleague 2014-09-10 07:16
Bingo, Dust. Makes me want to puke, to hear the word prophetic (prophet like) used. Prophet is synonymous with truth teller, and the Bushwhackers are blatant lie tellers, who belong in the slammer (how about in Guantanamo, the torture 'em slammer this Pres., whom I have renamed Oh Bomb Ah, promised to close, just as he promised to end endless war. And, here we are, with Guantanamo still open and about to enter yet another war, war, war for $$$ and oil, oil, oil, the later now referred to as 'our interests'. All while we hold hands with the Zionists and together torture/slaught er folks in Gaza.

-2 # arquebus 2014-09-12 12:19
Iwonder if it occurs to anyone that Bush and his Admin. did what they thought best for the US; acted in what they thought was the best interest of the US. Many of them still believe they did the right thing. They were wrong then and wrong now. We elect pols to act in what they think are the best interests of the American people. They are bound to be wrong often--they are human. Lincoln squashed habeas corpus...he was wrong to do so. Johnson took us into a full-scale war in Vietnam because he thought he had to....he was wrong.

If we are going to jail every American president or pol who doesn't get it right, the jails are going to be very full.
+38 # politicfix 2014-09-09 17:44
In lieu of prison for these men,and for the first time in US History, we have a former President living in exile in our country. President Obama will not turn them over to authorities because he's aiding an abetting authorities as these men are above the law because they are touts for the financiers and are protected under that auspices.
+43 # PABLO DIABLO 2014-09-09 22:08
A few people make a lot of money off of war. The rest of us pay. Get the neocons out of "our" government. NOW.
+11 # dquandle 2014-09-09 22:48
That includes Obama and his vicious war-mongering cabal as well.
+30 # asbpab1966 2014-09-09 23:14
Replacing Obama with a Republican would just make things worse.
+9 # bmiluski 2014-09-10 09:47
Thank you asbpab1966. You are absolutely right. After all it was the neo-cons that got us into this mess and now people like dquandle just keep spewing the anti-Obama drek hoping to get their neo-con masters back into power.
0 # arquebus 2014-09-12 12:21
Yep....the neo-cons got us into this mess, but don't forget that it was the liberals (Johnson et al) who got us into Vietnam....a far worse mess that what has occurred in the last 12 years. Plenty of blame to go around. Be nice to see someone offer something constructive from time to time.
+6 # politicfix 2014-09-10 11:05
This is correct. We are where we are now because of Republican rule and they have become even worse now. The GOP is responsible for whining and complaining publicly instead to taking constructive ideas to the President directly. America is not presenting a united front in support of our President in the face of world scrutiny. They make us look we and disjointed instead of the UNITED States of America.
0 # MsAnnaNOLA 2014-09-11 01:14
Quoting asbpab1966:
Replacing Obama with a Republican would just make things worse.

I plan to vote for any anti war candidate regardless of party. This madness has to stop.
+18 # ericlipps 2014-09-10 04:42
McCain's comment makes him look like wither a hypocrite or an idiot, if not both. Seems to me I recall him flapping and clucking about how those troops were coming out too soon. So for him it's "Obama's pulling out before victory has been won; congratulations to Bush on our glorious victory."
-29 # 2014-09-10 07:28

Bush was deceptive in taking the country into Iraq - according to the Left.
We get it - FDR was a Communist sypathizer.
We get it - Ike talked against the Military
Industrial Complex while doing
away with the GI Bill
Nixon? Kennedy? Carter? Reagan?
Clinton (now there's a gem - deception with massive sleaze)

So.........OK,OK.....Bush was deceptive....
What do you think the present PUTZUS is doing ?
"You can keep your.....
"You can keep your.....
"You can keep your.....
"I just learned about it in the news...."

"Dear Terrorists, uh I mean 'folks', I will announce tonight what my plan is to undermine your influence in the Middle East. You KNOW of course, that now that I was re-elected I have 'more flexibility' and so I can do what I want. C'mon now, you know that I really am a Muslim at heart and don't give a damn about the populace of any nation. plan will be revealed and you can do what you want....I'll just bomb a few locations - and let you know before hand so that you can move your mobile missiles.
In the meantime, remember, I'll be running for Secretary of the UN next and I'll have a lot more flexibility to send money to you".
+14 # bmiluski 2014-09-10 09:49
NO moafu....YOU DON'T GET IT!!! You don't get it because you keep spewing this anti-Obama crap while NEVER TAKING RESPONSIBILITY for what you people did.

Thank you sooooooo much for GWBush. The gift that keeps on giving.
+5 # Glen 2014-09-10 11:37
moafu, it continues to amaze that folks can't let go of the "I'm a Muslim at heart" stuff, concerning Obama. If he were a Muslim would he really bomb the shit out of so many Muslims and their countries?

Obama has been doing everything the Republicans accuse him of not doing. Drones are his territory now, and expanding attacks and locating troops even in Africa. So. I could also list the sins of past presidents relative to deception but they are all easy to research relative to war and killing.
+3 # lelvee 2014-09-10 09:12
Think about it - they have not been charged or prosecuted by this administration because that would put Obama in the same boat - Spain tried - this administration blocked that attempt. If you were a West Wing addict you will remember the episode where this very subject came up re: war crimes in Vietman would make those in that administration vulnerable to prosecution.
+6 # bmiluski 2014-09-10 09:53
No lelvee........t hey've never been charged or persecuted by this administration because the republicans will not let him.
Have the past 6 years taught you nothing? President Obama couldn't even get a "jobs bill" passed because of the republicans.
How the hell do you think he'd ever get anything done about those people who were/are the leaders/influen ce buyers of the republican party?
You want bush and company prosecuted? Then go bitch to the neo-cons.
+7 # Vardoz 2014-09-10 11:15
Bush Sr. Predicted this. Somehow we had 6 trillion for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars but not enough for food stamps and other vital safety nets!!!!! OH BOY another expensive war!
+8 # politicfix 2014-09-10 11:39
@moafu - You can spew your rhetoric, but not one President on the list you provided has ever been tried for war crimes and remains in exile in the United States in lieu of going to prison. Don't put Kennedy and Carter in the same sentence with Nixon, a crook, who and was forced to resign or he would have been impeached AND...Reagan? Reagan was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any US president. Iran-Contra Affair
FDR was not a communist...mor e lies. We have social security because of him and the country flourished after his leadership during major wars in his 3, yes 3 terms as President. The GI bill and too many accomplishments to list.
This is the UNITED States. The last thing the GOP wants is for anyone to be UNITED unless it's in a dictatorship with them in charge. They are greedy, selfish, dishonest, and destructive. They don't care about 47% of the country as Mitt Romney acknowledged. They do not care about YOU
moafu - you are a peon to them who votes against his own best interest. You play right into their hands. They're looking for naïve, ignorant people who will follow them like sheep. Hope you refuse your social security because Roosevelt is responsible for you getting it. You sir, are like the rest of the unwealthy who are Repugnantcans..'ve been brainwashed and cannot even be honest with yourself. NO is not a solution. Tell your Radcons that!
+6 # bmiluski 2014-09-10 12:22
You are so right politicfix. I love these people that bitch and moan and despise the democrats and all that "free" stuff they give out to do-nothings. But these very same people have their hands stretched out for any free "stuff" they can get their hands on.
Social Security, Medicare, etc.
What greedy, cowardly, little hypocrites.
They're too scared to think for themselves so they just blindly repeat/bleat what their neo-con masters tell them.
+2 # tomtom 2014-09-10 12:31
These comments reveal how divided Americans are; which is most worrisome, because this is when we are most vulnerable to the worst the world has to offer. Remember how it took us a week to get water to the people during Katrina? We need to do some serious problem solving, with each other, now.
+6 # bmiluski 2014-09-10 13:54
tomtom......... I don't know about anyone else but I kept a very open mind about my republican friends. And then little by little I started hearing their rhetoric about us (their words) "bleeding heart liberals". I think what really did it was when I was called a traitor because I dared to question the wisdom of going into Iraq. The FOX rhetoric didn't help. Sarah Palin didn't help and all I can think of is how derisive my republican friends where when GWBush won. And how unrepentent they are after what he/they did to my country.
By the way, the reason we couldn't get water to Katrina victims was because GWBush dismantled a very efficient effective FEMA and gave the plum jobs to his cronies....Good job Scottie.......
+2 # Jingze 2014-09-11 13:02
Greedy politicians are destroying the U.S.A. - and when ther republicans take over in November, things are going to get much much worse. Thing of 60 Bushes sitting in the senate and 300 in the House . . .

THE NEW STREAMLINED RSN LOGIN PROCESS: Register once, then login and you are ready to comment. All you need is a Username and a Password of your choosing and you are free to comment whenever you like! Welcome to the Reader Supported News community.