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Chomsky writes: "In January 2006, Palestinians committed a major crime: They voted the wrong way in a carefully monitored free election, handing control of Parliament to Hamas."

Intellectual, political activist, Professor Noam Chomsky. (photo: Russia Today)
Intellectual, political activist, Professor Noam Chomsky. (photo: Russia Today)


The Nightmare in Gaza

By Noam Chomsky, AlterNet

09 August 14

 

"There is no place in the prison of Gaza safe from Israeli sadism."

mid all the horrors unfolding in the latest Israeli offensive in Gaza, Israel’s goal is simple: quiet-for-quiet, a return to the norm.

For the West Bank, the norm is that Israel continues its illegal construction of settlements and infrastructure so that it can integrate into Israel whatever might be of value, meanwhile consigning Palestinians to unviable cantons and subjecting them to repression and violence.

For Gaza, the norm is a miserable existence under a cruel and destructive siege that Israel administers to permit bare survival but nothing more.

The latest Israeli rampage was set off by the brutal murder of three Israeli boys from a settler community in the occupied West Bank. A month before, two Palestinian boys were shot dead in the West Bank city of Ramallah. That elicited little attention, which is understandable, since it is routine.

“The institutionalized disregard for Palestinian life in the West helps explain not only why Palestinians resort to violence,” Middle East analyst Mouin Rabbani reports, “but also Israel’s latest assault on the Gaza Strip.”

In an interview, human rights lawyer Raji Sourani, who has remained in Gaza through years of Israeli brutality and terror, said, “The most common sentence I heard when people began to talk about cease-fire: Everybody says it’s better for all of us to die and not go back to the situation we used to have before this war. We don’t want that again. We have no dignity, no pride; we are just soft targets, and we are very cheap. Either this situation really improves or it is better to just die. I am talking about intellectuals, academics, ordinary people: Everybody is saying that.”

In January 2006, Palestinians committed a major crime: They voted the wrong way in a carefully monitored free election, handing control of Parliament to Hamas.

The media constantly intone that Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. In reality, Hamas leaders have repeatedly made it clear that Hamas would accept a two-state settlement in accord with the international consensus that has been blocked by the U.S. and Israel for 40 years.

In contrast, Israel is dedicated to the destruction of Palestine, apart from some occasional meaningless words, and is implementing that commitment.

The crime of the Palestinians in January 2006 was punished at once. The U.S. and Israel, with Europe shamefully trailing behind, imposed harsh sanctions on the errant population and Israel stepped up its violence.

The U.S. and Israel quickly initiated plans for a military coup to overthrow the elected government. When Hamas had the effrontery to foil the plans, the Israeli assaults and the siege became far more severe.

There should be no need to review again the dismal record since. The relentless siege and savage attacks are punctuated by episodes of “mowing the lawn,” to borrow Israel’s cheery expression for its periodic exercises in shooting fish in a pond as part of what it calls a “war of defense.”

Once the lawn is mowed and the desperate population seeks to rebuild somehow from the devastation and the murders, there is a cease-fire agreement. The most recent cease-fire was established after Israel’s October 2012 assault, called Operation Pillar of Defense.

Though Israel maintained its siege, Hamas observed the cease-fire, as Israel concedes. Matters changed in April of this year when Fatah and Hamas forged a unity agreement that established a new government of technocrats unaffiliated with either party.

Israel was naturally furious, all the more so when even the Obama administration joined the West in signaling approval. The unity agreement not only undercuts Israel’s claim that it cannot negotiate with a divided Palestine but also threatens the long-term goal of dividing Gaza from the West Bank and pursuing its destructive policies in both regions.

Something had to be done, and an occasion arose on June 12, when the three Israeli boys were murdered in the West Bank. Early on, the Netanyahu government knew that they were dead, but pretended otherwise, which provided the opportunity to launch a rampage in the West Bank, targeting Hamas.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu claimed to have certain knowledge that Hamas was responsible. That too was a lie.

One of Israel’s leading authorities on Hamas, Shlomi Eldar, reported almost at once that the killers very likely came from a dissident clan in Hebron that has long been a thorn in the side of Hamas. Eldar added that “I’m sure they didn’t get any green light from the leadership of Hamas, they just thought it was the right time to act.”

The 18-day rampage after the kidnapping, however, succeeded in undermining the feared unity government, and sharply increasing Israeli repression. Israel also conducted dozens of attacks in Gaza, killing five Hamas members on July 7.

Hamas finally reacted with its first rockets in 19 months, providing Israel with the pretext for Operation Protective Edge on July 8.

By July 31, around 1,400 Palestinians had been killed, mostly civilians, including hundreds of women and children. And three Israeli civilians. Large areas of Gaza had been turned into rubble. Four hospitals had been attacked, each another war crime.

Israeli officials laud the humanity of what it calls “the most moral army in the world,” which informs residents that their homes will be bombed. The practice is “sadism, sanctimoniously disguising itself as mercy,” in the words of Israeli journalist Amira Hass: “A recorded message demanding hundreds of thousands of people leave their already targeted homes, for another place, equally dangerous, 10 kilometers away.”

In fact, there is no place in the prison of Gaza safe from Israeli sadism, which may even exceed the terrible crimes of Operation Cast Lead in 2008-2009.

The hideous revelations elicited the usual reaction from the most moral president in the world, Barack Obama: great sympathy for Israelis, bitter condemnation of Hamas and calls for moderation on both sides.

When the current attacks are called off, Israel hopes to be free to pursue its criminal policies in the occupied territories without interference, and with the U.S. support it has enjoyed in the past.

Gazans will be free to return to the norm in their Israeli-run prison, while in the West Bank, Palestinians can watch in peace as Israel dismantles what remains of their possessions.

That is the likely outcome if the U.S. maintains its decisive and virtually unilateral support for Israeli crimes and its rejection of the long-standing international consensus on diplomatic settlement. But the future will be quite different if the U.S. withdraws that support.

In that case it would be possible to move toward the “enduring solution” in Gaza that U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry called for, eliciting hysterical condemnation in Israel because the phrase could be interpreted as calling for an end to Israel’s siege and regular attacks. And — horror of horrors — the phrase might even be interpreted as calling for implementation of international law in the rest of the occupied territories.

Forty years ago Israel made the fateful decision to choose expansion over security, rejecting a full peace treaty offered by Egypt in return for evacuation from the occupied Egyptian Sinai, where Israel was initiating extensive settlement and development projects. Israel has adhered to that policy ever since.

If the U.S. decided to join the world, the impact would be great. Over and over, Israel has abandoned cherished plans when Washington has so demanded. Such are the relations of power between them.

Furthermore, Israel by now has little recourse, after having adopted policies that turned it from a country that was greatly admired to one that is feared and despised, policies it is pursuing with blind determination today in its march toward moral deterioration and possible ultimate destruction.

Could U.S. policy change? It’s not impossible. Public opinion has shifted considerably in recent years, particularly among the young, and it cannot be completely ignored.

For some years there has been a good basis for public demands that Washington observe its own laws and cut off military aid to Israel. U.S. law requires that “no security assistance may be provided to any country the government of which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights.”

Israel most certainly is guilty of this consistent pattern, and has been for many years.

Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, author of this provision of the law, has brought up its potential applicability to Israel in specific cases, and with a well-conducted educational, organizational and activist effort such initiatives could be pursued successively.

That could have a very significant impact in itself, while also providing a springboard for further actions to compel Washington to become part of “the international community” and to observe international law and norms.

Nothing could be more significant for the tragic Palestinian victims of many years of violence and repression.

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+92 # ritawalpoleague 2014-08-09 11:56
Prof. Noam, kudos to you (for the umpteenth time), for being such a truth telling, excellent educator/commun icator. How well those of us who dare to tell/spread truth know, and accomplish it in any meaningful way, here in the now anything but a democracy U.S. of A. - we are now listed as 'terrorists'.

Funny (but not actually funny at all), I cannot help but wonder if Sen. Leahy and any pols., could not also now be labeled 'terrorists'. Certainly seemed that the K HOLY TRINITY - JFK, RFK, MLK - were martyred for daring to be real McCoy liberty and justice for all people servers, vs. soooo many of today's bought off/scared off pols.. That bought off/scared off label came to mind, as I listened to this Pres., whom I have renamed Oh Bomb Ah, con us/U.S again, re. need for air/drone strikes for anti-genocide purposes in northern Iraq, while totally ignoring our/U.S. longtime enabling of Zionist controlled Israel to slaughter/ensla ve vast numbers of innocents in Gaza, a.k.a. commit genocide. I confess, made my Irish blood boil.
 
 
-37 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-09 22:19
In fact, Chomsky is not a truth teller. I personally saw state that the PLO had changed its charter called for the destruction of Israel, when it hadn't. Here, he states the utter falsehood that HAMAS does or will accept the existence of Israel, when it neither does nor will. Specifically, HAMAS says it will agree to a ten-year truce in exchange for freedom to build up its terrorist state without interference. HAMAS clearly intends only to strike when the time is right. But what's worse, Chomsky would falsify to obscure that HAMAS is essentially a terrorist organization, which in fact it is in word and deed, Chomsky's false statements notwithstanding .
 
 
0 # Nominae 2014-08-10 16:27
Quoting Dennis Newman:
....HAMAS does or will accept the existence of Israel, when it neither does nor will.


I am in awe of a seer such as this who can firmly and unassailably predict so far into the future as: "never".
 
 
+4 # Nominae 2014-08-10 16:53
Quoting NOMINAE:
[quote name="Dennis Newman"]....In fact, Chomsky is not a truth teller.


Well, now, lets all recall the old Latin saw that translates as "Who benefits?"

What could persuade an 85 year old man with a proven lifetime achievement record such as Chomsky's to even *bother* with lying ? What does he gain ?

Let us also inquire of ourselves, "who would likely be the most qualified source of experience and accumulated wisdom on this matter ? Noam Chomsky, or a new contributor with well above average writing skills and a possible axe to grind ?"

I am no expert on questions of the Middle East, but I am inclined toward the writer with the long-proven integrity, intellect, wisdom and insight into Middle East coverage - in this case - Chomsky.

The commenter who begins by simply calling Chomsky a liar, immediately destroys his own credibility and capacity to present a convincingly coherent argument.

Calling Chomsky a liar is the logical equivalent of saying: "believe no proven expert. Mine is the only perspective you can trust."

Everything that follows from that "opener", no matter how well written, is therefore suspect.
 
 
-2 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-10 22:28
Again, I personally heard Chomsky at Cornell University in about 1975, upon challenge, state that the then Palestine Liberation Organization had repealed the clause in its charter that called for Israel's destruction. In fact, the PLO hadn't, and even years later, in preparation for the Arafat-Rabin peace agreement that all too quickly unraveled, only weakly passed an addendum that weakly stated that the destruction-of- Israel clause was no longer active, or some such sophistry, acceptable, if barely, at the time, to both parties. The point is that Chomsky, nothing if not sharp as a tack, clearly dissembled as part of the world view he proffered. There was no other reasonable way to assess the false information he bandied. The same is the case in Chomsky's outrageously false statement that HAMAS has at any time agreed to coexistence in any form with Israel; HAMAS very clearly only makes temporal deals for hudnas, ceasefires in its jihad. To state otherwise is to lie, because the facts are otherwise. Sorry you don't know the history. It's plainly there if you want to research it.
 
 
0 # Nominae 2014-08-10 23:11
Quoting Dennis Newman:
Again, I personally heard Chomsky at Cornell University in about 1975, upon challenge, state that the then Palestine Liberation Organization had repealed the clause in its charter that called for Israel's destruction.


Quoting NOMINAE:
[quote name="Dennis Newman"]Again, I personally heard Chomsky at Cornell University in about 1975, upon challenge, state that the then Palestine Liberation Organization had repealed the clause in its charter that called for Israel's destruction.


So you offer *your* memory of what Chomsky may or may not have said 39 years ago as "proof".

You may know that this does not exactly rise to the commonly understood standard of "incontrovertib le evidence".
 
 
0 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-11 06:36
You *do* know that I am telling the truth, because the precise memory of what was said, and, in my opinion, its import, stuck in my memory, and because I backed up what I heard Chomsky say with a parallel untruth quoted in the very article under discussion. Further, the issue is not documentation -- you and your ideological colleagues do not bother to document horrendous accusations hurled against Israel with impunity in this discussion that are demonstrably, documentable false -- but intellectual honesty. Far more able scholars and researchers than I have amply documented Chomsky's long history of intellectual dishonesty, if you are interested. I only checked in here because I do what I can to oppose the monstrous smearing of Israel in the media by the hard left (about which I have my own theories as to why). Israel is far from perfect, but is hardly a colonizer/oppre ssor/war criminal/Nazi-l ike state. Haters hold Israel to a standard that no nation has ever met, and implicitly or explicitly deny its right to exist along any borders, which is what this was is fundamentally about: HAMAS under Gaza attacked Israel continuingly, terroristically , *before* the closing of the border crossing and military blockade, and Arab terrorists continuingly murdered Israeli civilians *before* the 1967 war, in which Israel took territories from which it was attacked. Terrorism, distinct from resistance, is never justified, and haters must explain why the terror before the justification.
 
 
-3 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-10 22:18
Nominae, if you think you will prevail by playing word games with me, I'll shred you like a head of lettuce. No one knows the future, and I wasn't claiming to. Rather, Chomsky's statement that HAMAS is willing to have peace with an existing Israel is a demonstrable lie: Chomsky is, against all the evidence in the world to the contrary, portraying HAMAS as if it is (1) not a terrorist organization, when it is, abundantly, in both word and deed, and (2) untrue to its charter and operations, the former of which explicitly requires the liquidation of the state of Israel, and latter of which focus inordinately on just that. I don't claim to be a seer at all, but I understand well that an organization that spent enormous sums and energies on terrorism. Consider HAMAS's leading-edge "project" until a few days ago -- some three dozen or more terror tunnels, comprising thousands of tons of concrete and strengthened steel, most originated 1-2 km into Gaza, under homes and greenhouses and such, dug 1-1.5 km into Israel, just outside kibbutzim and small towns, the labyrinth stocked with fake Israel military uniforms, handcuffs, syringes and sedatives, and weaponry that would be no match for Israel's military but enough to massacre civilians. The planning, corroborated by HAMAS operatives separately interrogated was a mass murder/kidnappi ng of civilians, probably aided by a diversionary attack from Hezzbolah in the north. Some 160 Gazan children died building the terror tunnels.
 
 
0 # Nominae 2014-08-10 22:56
Quoting Dennis Newman:
Nominae, if you think you will prevail by playing word games with me, I'll shred you like a head of lettuce.


Then learn to edit your own writing if you don't mean what you write.

Sackless and impotent threats proffered from behind the anonymity of a keyboard are singularly unimpressive.

I would love to engage you in a battle of wits, son, but I make it my policy never to fight an unarmed man.

You are wasting my (and your own)time.
 
 
+1 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-12 09:43
You of course do not document your assertions, for example your accolades to Chomsky for his "achievement record," when it is obvious that we are talking here not about his academic contributions but his political advocacy, which has been critically dissected elsewhere, such that there is real solid evidence that he is a self-hating anti-Semite (his father was a Rabbi) who has lied big-time about important political advaocay issues, such as actively supporting an avowed Holocaust denier.
 
 
-68 # MidwesTom 2014-08-09 13:24
I suggest that everyone do a search under "Hamas Tunnels". You will be shocked, at least I was. These a concrete and steel tunnels several miles long under Israel. The IDF has captured large quantities of explosives that Hamas was planning on use to blowup a major part is Israel.
 
 
+77 # RMDC 2014-08-09 13:43
So where do these tunnels go? If they came up inside Isreael, wouldn't the Israelis know it? Why do they have to cross over into gaza and kill a few thousand people in order to discover these massive concrete and steel tunnels. And where did the Palestinians get the concrete. Israel was blockading concrete in its seige.

I just googles hamas tunnels and did not come up with anything unusual. I think it you were in a concentration camp, you'd dig a tunnel to get out too. I| would.
 
 
-20 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-09 22:33
The tunnels were constructed explicitly to conduct terrorism in the form of murder and kidnapping of Israeli civilians. They were routed to nearby kibbutzim, civilian institutions and dwellings. They contained paraphernalia for kidnapping, including handcuffs, hypodermic syringes and tranquilizers. The weaponry stored in them was not what one would use to combat the military but what one would use to take down lots of civilians, fast. Their depth, technical sophistication, and routing clearly surprised Israel's highest intelligence organs. Separate interrogations of captured HAMAS operatives gave parallel accounts of a planned mass terror/murder, kidnap plan via the tunnels for nearby kibbutzim and towns, probably in coordination with a diversionary attack from Hezzbolah in the north. Your comment indicates that you know nothing of the real on-the-ground geography of the war and just spout one-sided ideological hate (i.e., "concentration camp" comparison, which of course is a modern-day blood libel against the Jewish state and people, as imperfect as it and they are). Did you not know that HAMAS launched more than 1,600 terror attacks on Israeli civilians in the less than 30 days before July 8, the day Israel struck back, or that the number of Gazan civilians said to have been killed is supplied by HAMAS, a terrorist organization, which of course lies with impunity, or that a captured HAMAS guidance document extols the value of fighting from in the midst of civilians?
 
 
-15 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-08-10 03:20
Quoting Dennis Newman:
The tunnels were constructed explicitly to conduct terrorism in the form of murder and kidnapping of Israeli civilians. They were routed to nearby kibbutzim, civilian institutions and dwellings. They contained paraphernalia for kidnapping, including handcuffs, hypodermic syringes and tranquilizers. The weaponry stored in them was not what one would use to combat the military but what one would use to take down lots of civilians, fast. Their depth, technical sophistication, and routing clearly surprised Israel's highest intelligence organs. Separate interrogations of captured HAMAS operatives gave parallel accounts of a planned mass terror/murder, kidnap plan via the tunnels for nearby kibbutzim and towns, probably in coordination with a diversionary attack from Hezzbolah in the north. Your comment indicates that you know nothing of the real on-the-ground geography of the war and just spout one-sided ideological hate (i.e., "concentration camp" comparison, which of course is a modern-day blood libel against the Jewish state and people, as imperfect as it and they are). Did you not know that HAMAS launched more than 1,600 terror attacks on Israeli civilians in the less than 30 days before July 8, the day Israel struck back, or that the number of Gazan civilians said to have been killed is supplied by HAMAS, a terrorist organization, which of course lies with impunity...

THANK YOU FOR INTRODUCING TRUTH AND REALITY.
 
 
-6 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-10 09:00
What is so astonishing to me still -- I guess I'm terminally naive -- is that the hard left is so bereft of intellectually honesty. It was not like that amongst the New Left of the 1960s of which I was a part. That New Left would never have supported terrorism.
 
 
-17 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-08-10 03:15
Quoting RMDC:
So where do these tunnels go? If they came up inside Isreael, wouldn't the Israelis know it? Why do they have to cross over into gaza and kill a few thousand people in order to discover these massive concrete and steel tunnels. And where did the Palestinians get the concrete. Israel was blockading concrete in its seige.

I just googles hamas tunnels and did not come up with anything unusual. I think it you were in a concentration camp, you'd dig a tunnel to get out too. I| would.

HAMAS GOT THE CONCRETE FROM ISRAEL "FOR SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS." THE TUNNELS WENT UP INTO ISRAEL AND WERE DESIGNED TO REMAIN HIDDEN AND CAMOFLAUGED UNTIL THEY THE LAST FEW FEET WOULD BE OPENED UP. THEY PLANNED TO OPEN UP THOSE LAST FEW FEET ON YOM KIPPUR WHEN JEWS WERE FASTING AND PRAYING. THEN 500 TERRORISTS WOULD POP OUT UNDER KINDERGARTENS AND BLOW THE KIDS UP.
 
 
-5 # secular 2014-08-10 16:04
This is so stupid it really doesn't deserve a reply, but thanks to Dennis Newman for providing one. By the way, Hamas got much its concrete and steel from the West so it could build schools, hospitals and infrastructure. Instead, it destroyed the extensive greenhouse system left it by by departing Israelis and used its time and materials to build tunnels to kill Israeli civilians. The goal was a coordinated sneak attack on September 25 that would kill thousands of Israelis. Fortunately, that plan has been thwarted.
 
 
0 # secular 2014-08-10 16:05
By "this" I am referring to RMDC's post.
 
 
0 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-12 09:44
You can get detailed information on HAMAS's terror tunnels via internet search. One source of carefully sourced information is the Amit Intelligence Center. Here is a link:

http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/article/20702
 
 
+71 # fenox 2014-08-09 13:49
Quoting MidwesTom:
I suggest that everyone do a search under "Hamas Tunnels". You will be shocked, at least I was. These a concrete and steel tunnels several miles long under Israel. The IDF has captured large quantities of explosives that Hamas was planning on use to blowup a major part is Israel.

These tunnels are not new, or just of last year. These tunnels existed to bring in products not allowed by the Israeli blockade. Fresh fruit for example. If Hamas built them to blow up Israel, they had more than time to do it. The Israeli propaganda is not wasted on you. But please think it over, just a bit.
 
 
-20 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-09 22:37
fenox is demonstrably mistaken. Israel's naval blockade is military, and does not block foodstuffs. including fresh fruit. The tunnels in question, under Israel's border, laid out so as to pop up near kibbutzim and small towns, in conjunction with what was found in the tunnels, and with intelligence gained from separate interviews with captured HAMAS operatives, make abundantly clear that these were terror tunnels. The "products" not allowed by Israel's blockade are the infrastructure and weaponry of terror. HAMAS is, unambiguously, a terrorist organization. You seem to not know that simple fact or to want to deny the obvious.
 
 
-2 # irvingwood 2014-08-11 12:36
You and your little band of trolls can splutter and posture all you want. You’re trying to paint Hamas as so bad as to be unsupportable even by it’s supporters. Well, Im one that doesn’t give a fig for Israeli life and will never be shocked by what Hamas does to get you people off Palestinian land and back to the US where you came from. I’ve watched your arguments ‘developing’ post by post, and the thrust seems to be that Hamas and the Palestinian people are so terrible that we(I) shouldn’t support them. After what Israel and it’s Zionist lunatic denizens have done since 1948, nothing that Hamas does will turn me against it. Let it rip, I say. They’ve suffered enough. It’s funny to watch the Zionists crying over a little bit of terror when they are inflicting geocide on the Palestinians. And they really think we should pity them or care about them. When it comes to unworthy v worthy I find the Palestinians more worthy of my support, hands down. They were the original inhabitants, ethnically cleansed by Jewish fanatics from their own land, their villages levelled, numerous atrocities (rape, murder, assault, and beatings) inflicted upon them by wanted terrorists including future Prime Ministers Yitzak Shamir and Menachem Begin, who murdered the Swedish diplomat Count Bernadotte, crazy-eyed madmen who lived for violence. What you butchers and terrorists ( a word Butcher Bibi loves to throw around) did to them in 1948 must first be undone, and that means F… O.. out of Palestine!
 
 
-12 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-08-10 03:22
Quoting fenox:
Quoting MidwesTom:
I suggest that everyone do a search under "Hamas Tunnels". You will be shocked, at least I was. These a concrete and steel tunnels several miles long under Israel. The IDF has captured large quantities of explosives that Hamas was planning on use to blowup a major part is Israel.

These tunnels are not new, or just of last year. These tunnels existed to bring in products not allowed by the Israeli blockade. Fresh fruit for example. If Hamas built them to blow up Israel, they had more than time to do it. The Israeli propaganda is not wasted on you. But please think it over, just a bit.

WHY WOULD HAMAS DIG TUNNELS INTO ISRAEL "TO BRING IN FRUIT? TO ISRAEL? DUH!
 
 
-2 # irvingwood 2014-08-11 12:52
Who cares!! Dig all the tunnels you can. Line them will gold. The debate about the tunnels is a distraction (Good Zionist ploy). Lets have more of them. Right under that breeding chamber for hate, the Knesset. Blow them all sky-high! And then give the land back to it’s true owners…the Palestinians. The most typical image of a Zionist is those fanatics lining the hills cheering on the killing. If anyone doesn’t deserve to live, they don’t. What use are they. Just rabble. Instead of blobs of London council-houses lets bring the beautiful Olive Trees back. Of course with tunnels underneath them. You really don’t know how bad your terror bombing of Gaza makes you look, do you! you’re so blinded by your own inflated sense of self-worth and self-righteousn ess, and racism, that you can’t see how that kind of bullying affects normal decent civilized people, how disgusted and appalled they are that with such a huge military you can’t find a peaceful way. They begin to suspect that the Jews really don’t want peace..they just want the Arabs gone, as the Nazis did of the jews in Europe. Had the Zionists been morally better people, they would have seen how closely their treatment of the Arabs parallels Hitlers treatment of the Jews during WW2, or Afrikaaner apartheid’s treatment of the Blacks in SA. Normal decent people hate bullies, especially racist bullies. They see children killed and they don’t cheer, like the Jews on the hill-tops. You are sick scum to cheer on so much suffering.
 
 
+86 # REDPILLED 2014-08-09 14:10
WHY have they built those tunnels into Israel? WHY are they firing rockets into Israel? First answer these questions:

Why has Israel blockaded Gaza into the world's largest concentration camp for more than 7 years? Why does Israel even restrict the food Gazans get? Why does Israel blockade Gazan fishermen into close coastal waters? Why has Israel taken the natural gas deposits of Gaza's coast? Why are Gazans forced to go through IDF checkpoints, even when they are ill and need medical care in the better-equipped Israeli hospitals? Why are Gazan children shot and killed by IDF soldiers merely for throwing rocks? Why does Israel prevent Gaza from having free access to the outside world via land, sea, and air? Why does Israel think Collective Punishment of Gazans is justified when it was declared a crime against humanity, without exception, at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials in which Nazis were convicted and imprisoned exactly for such a crime against Jews and others? Why is there a double standard for "self-defense" when it comes to the powerful IDF forces, fortified by U.S. weapons, versus the Hamas resistance? Why are occupied, blockaded, beseiged people cooped-up in a ghetto (as in Warsaw) criticized for resorting to whatever they can for resistance against their oppressors, but it was heroic for the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto to violently resist against their Nazi oppressors?
 
 
+48 # REDPILLED 2014-08-09 14:11
What is the Nakba, and why does EVERY Palestinian know about it, while most Americans, $3 billion of whose tax dollars are sent to Israel every year to continue the illegal blockade of Gaza and the illegal settlements in the West Bank, as well as the Israeli murders of Palestinian civilians, have never even heard of the Nakba? Why does U.S. media NEVER report the ethnic cleansing of Palestine which Zionist terrorists and military carried out in 1947-1948?
 
 
+31 # Misterioso 2014-08-09 18:49
Actually, when all sources are added together, US taxpayer aid to Israel is close to $5 billion per year. And this figure does not include the tens of millions in tax deductible donations that are given to Israel by various American organizations and individuals.
 
 
-11 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-10 10:37
Nonsense. U.S. aid to Israel is only military, and is currently at $3 billion annually. It had been shrinking, was almost down to $2 billion, when HAMAS -- the same HAMAS -- began regularly mass-murdering Israeli civilians by the dozens and finally, hundreds, in hotels, pizzerias, clubs, and buses, before Israel stopped it, with U.S. help. Hence, in the late 80s, and early 90s, recognizing Israel's particularly steep security needs increasing, the U.S. helped more. In return, Israel spends almost all the money with U.S. defense companies, and collaborates more closely than ever with U.S. military, intelligence, security and counter-terrori sm organizations, gives the U.S. unprecedented human intelligence in the Middle East, including on al Qaeda, which is active in both Sinai and Gaza, in case you didn't know, and of course is a steadfast U.S. ally across tourism, trade, technology and policy spheres, the current Administration' s animus notwithstanding , and of course is the only democracy in the region, and a free market economy at that, with full civil and human rights protections for all its citizens, regardless of race, color or creed, and Israeli Arabs, comprising roughly 20 percent of the population, having full proportionate representation in Knesset (Parliament), way better than virtually any other nation with minorities on the planet. Yes, Israel is imperfect, and has and will reign in its expansionists and settlers, but Israel gave back Gaza hoping for peace.
 
 
-1 # irvingwood 2014-08-11 13:29
Imperfect! That’s funny. It’s the most imperfect country in the world. And the most dysfunctional. What other country has a population so scared out of it’s freaking skull by tales of boogie-men. They are a barbaric, violent people, added to which is the Jews from the USA, who brng their violence with them (Oh and the Russians too, who are crude incoherent peasants.) Your men swagger around as though a god picked them specially. Their arrogance knows no bounds. I don’t need to debate this. What happened in 1948 is incontrovertibl e. Despite the efforts of the Israeli School system the facts around 1948 are clear and well known. And until 1948 is atoned for you don’t get a pass to talk about tunnels or sausage rolls or anything from me. Give it back! Go on!! Give it back!! Then we can talk about trying to shoe-horn the two tribes into it by negotiation. And if the Arabs don’t welcome you, then PISS OFF somewhere else like the Gobi Desert, and start a new civilisation there.(provided the local tribesmen’ll have you.) You can’t steal land. You should know that, after the Romans kicked you out of Judea. You can argue until your chops are blue, but it won’t make any different. The rot started with a crime in 1948, and the Palestinians should be brought to status quo ante. Then you can carry on properly. Your arguments remind me of a silly schoolgirl. “we left Gaza in 2005 “ is the funniest. Can’t have it both ways. Either leave it alone or take it back.
 
 
+3 # Cassandra2012 2014-08-11 15:31
rein in but otherwise pretty much on point!
 
 
+7 # Nominae 2014-08-10 16:20
Quoting Misterioso:
Actually, when all sources are added together, US taxpayer aid to Israel is close to $5 billion per year. And this figure does not include the tens of millions in tax deductible donations that are given to Israel by various American organizations and individuals.


Damned Skippy - and then we wonder why we "don't have the money" to rebuild our infrastructure, rejuvenate our schools, care for the mentally afflicted, or feed our own hungry children and their parents with meager food stamps at home.

Gotta luv Israel and Egypt !
 
 
+2 # Cassandra2012 2014-08-11 15:32
Can't rebuild infrastructure because of all those subsidies to fossil fuel industry, discounts to corps., and tax rebates to GE and the military armament industry such as Lockheed. etc.
 
 
-69 # brux 2014-08-09 14:38
>> Why are occupied, blockaded, beseiged people cooped-up in a ghetto (as in Warsaw) criticized for resorting to whatever they can for resistance against their oppressors,

"They" aren't - unless they are the Palestinians who put on a massive show for the world paid for by Iran, Syria and radical Islamic Fundamentalists .
 
 
+10 # Misterioso 2014-08-09 16:25
Reality:

Check out this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHMkfROH38E
 
 
-13 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-10 10:43
Gaza is not occupied. That's an absolute 100 percent falsehood. Israel withdrew every civilian and soldier in 2005. HAMAS won a majority of seats in 2006, but not satisfied with power sharing, outsted its political opponent Fatah in a bloody coup in 2006 in which HAMAS brownshirts threw dozens of Fatah leaders off of rooftops for all to see. HAMAS has not held an election since, but rather instituted a Taliban-like extremist Islamism and turned the apparatus of the "state" into a terrorism operation that continuingly targeted Israeli civilians. Only then, in 2007-8, did Israel close its border crossing to all but humanitarian supplies and institute a naval military blockade. That HAMAS managed to smuggle millions of tons of concrete and reinforced steel for terror tunnels is proof if anyone on the hard left needed it that Israel's measures against HAMAS, designated a terrorist organization by the US, EU, Canada, Australia, Great Britain, and Japan, are and were justified. You also smear the Warsaw Ghetto resistance, which never targeted civilians.
 
 
-27 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-09 22:45
REDPILLED is factually grossly mistaken, and worse. HAMAS, which took over Gaza in a bloody coup in 2007, after winning majority but not absolute control in a 2006 election, immediately turned the apparatuses of state power into a terrorism operation that continuingly targeted Israeli civilians. Only then did Israel strike back militarily and institute a military blockade. Israel, a democracy like ours, had its top court reign in the blockade when it crossed the line from impeding a terrorist state -- HAMAS is designated a terrorist organization by the U.S., Canada, Australia, Japan, Great Britain, and the E.U. -- to imposing too much collective burden on civilians. Your comparing Israel to Nazis reveals you at once to be an Israel- and Jew-hater, for Israel is the Jewish state, who would blithely apply a modern-day blood libel to the people who were the Nazis' #1 victims. Gaza is run by a terrorist organization that was elected; if there's a parallel to be made vis-a-vis Nazi Germany, it's the German populace circa 1933 with Gaza's populace circa 2006. The Jewish resistance never targeted civilians by the way; whereas HAMAS continuingly targets Israeli civilians as well as its own civilians.
 
 
+4 # Maturus 2014-08-10 07:05
It's my understanding that all Israelis do military service and are, in effect, reservist for much of their life. Therefore, the distinction between civilian and military in Israeli society is a moot point.
 
 
-12 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-10 09:42
Maturus, it is horrendous and ghastly that you expend what appear to be significant intellectual resources which you are lucky or blessed enough with which to be endowed, on conjuring rationales for condoning, excusing, rationalizing and in substance O.K.ing terrorism, when it is directed at Israelis and Israelis only. What you are really saying is that it's perfectly O.K. to target Israeli civilians for terror, including kidnapping and murdering. Anyone with a modicum of decency would find your post beyond detestable.
 
 
+1 # Maturus 2014-08-10 15:36
And yet your community of posters state that your Israeli forces are unable to detect the difference between civilians and fighters on the other side. I condemn all of the violence which serves none but a few hate-filled extremists on both sides. Try to put aside your hate and suggest something constructive to move the situation forward.
 
 
-2 # irvingwood 2014-08-11 13:10
Who cares! If it’ll get the parasites out build as many as you can. And more rockets too. As many rockets as shells and missiles that Isreal sent to the Iron-Domeless Gaza. The Palestinians are heroes and martyrs, and the Jews look cheap and crude and barbaric. Bibi is too stupid to see that the longer it goes on the more civilized people will hate the Zionists. The Gazans said "better to die on our feet than live on our knees". You were so brutal you actually motivated them to fight to the death. Hamas eventually had you people jerking around on a string by controlling the ceasefires. They knew if they kept on steadily sending those hand-made rockets that so terrify you, then Bibi would have to keep bombing and shelling, and world public opinion would turn against the murder of children and old people, leaving you with what you deserve…no support at all. I was hoping they would drive you all mad by stringing out the negotiations. You see, one problem with Zionists, like the Yanks who prop you up, is that you can’t take casualties. You’d think that Lebanon would have taught you a lesson. In an equal fight Hamas and the Palestinians will eat you up, because they have something real and true to die for, not the purported blusterings of an old stooge in a very timeworn book. Anyone who’s read any of the Zionist founders’ fanatical speeches knows that the Jews want to ethnically-clea nse Palestine. That;s why you haven’t declared any land borders. You want it all, Arab-free.
 
 
+34 # Misterioso 2014-08-09 16:24
Sigh. Typically, the tunnels issue is being overplayed by Israel and its mouthpieces. All Israel had to do was "cap" the few tunnels that surfaced within Israel.
 
 
-22 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-09 22:48
Your conclusion is utterly false. Israel's top intelligence organs didn't even know about the extent of the tunnels. Capping them only allows them to be quickly re-routed a few feet and activated. Your statement is functionally equivalent to saying all U.S. airlines had to do to prevent further 9/11s was put hook locks on cockpit doors. Your ignorance and/or disrespect for the lives of Israelis in the face of close-in terrorism is disgusting.
 
 
-16 # Barbara N Shabo RN 2014-08-10 03:11
Quoting MidwesTom:
I suggest that everyone do a search under "Hamas Tunnels". You will be shocked, at least I was. These a concrete and steel tunnels several miles long under Israel. The IDF has captured large quantities of explosives that Hamas was planning on use to blowup a major part is Israel.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
 
 
-1 # Cassandra2012 2014-08-11 15:27
Yes ideologues -- deal with it! How did Hamas get in to Israel to murder those three schoolboys???
 
 
+56 # PABLO DIABLO 2014-08-09 13:25
I have forwarded a copy of Sen. Leahy's amendment to both of my U.S. Senators more than a week ago. Have not heard from either of them. Maybe we need to remind ALL of our Senators to follow THE LAW.
 
 
+62 # Ray Kondrasuk 2014-08-09 14:06
It's difficult to communicate with people in the three Israeli-occupie d territories:
Gaza, the West Bank, and Capital Hill.
 
 
-59 # brux 2014-08-09 14:36
It's also difficult to justify the Palestinian cause without using humor or some other distraction from the facts.
 
 
+39 # rhgreen 2014-08-09 15:34
Quoting brux:
It's also difficult to justify the Palestinian cause without using humor or some other distraction from the facts.

Nonsense. Rather, it is difficult to understand the attitude of someone like Brux without assuming willful ignorabce or a job working for either AIPAC or Likud.
 
 
+22 # Ken Halt 2014-08-09 18:57
Be gentle, Brux has a small tool box.
 
 
-21 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-09 22:52
Your variation on the canard and modern-day blood libel against the Jewish state and people that amounts to saying that, due to a big Jewish power conspiracy, the Israeli tail wags the American dog, particularly Congress, is hereby revealed in all its false ugliness. American Jews in fact vote so reliably liberally, although they are a variegated lot, that even presidents like Obama, whose antipathy to Israel is well-known, get the vast majority of Jewish votes. AIPAC is no different from lobbyists talking to your reps right now that represent Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and China. Yet you insist there is some diabolical Israel'Jewish power machine in place. Disgusting.
 
 
+9 # karenvista 2014-08-10 16:03
Quoting Dennis Newman:


I'm interested to know how many AIPAC, IDF and Likud government shills like you have popped up on websites like this since the Israeli government finally figured out that they had lost whatever "moral authority" they presumed they had.

The usual readers here know that you and some others have only started posting your canned pro-Israel propaganda in the past week or so.

Go away! You can't restore whatever "reputation" that the Israeli government is trying to recover.
 
 
+2 # grandma lynn 2014-08-10 21:47
They are on vacation in August. I think I'll do the same, though - mail that Leahy amendment to my senators.
 
 
+32 # samiam 2014-08-09 13:54
I would like to see or a hear a debate between Chomsky, pro Israel and neutral, if there are any, people. So all sides can be aired.
 
 
-46 # brux 2014-08-09 14:34
That makes one person on RSN ... soon to be voted down massively most likely.
 
 
+17 # rhgreen 2014-08-09 17:10
Quoting samiam:
I would like to see or a hear a debate between Chomsky, pro Israel and neutral, if there are any, people. So all sides can be aired.

There are a number of UTube videos of Chomsky debating someone. Just google for "Chomsky UTube".
 
 
-37 # MidwesTom 2014-08-09 14:24
I admit that I have little tolerance for a religion that tolerates it's followers beheading men, women, and children who refuse to convert.
 
 
+21 # riverhouse 2014-08-09 14:31
There you go again.
 
 
+38 # Misterioso 2014-08-09 16:31
I have no tolerance whatsoever for so-called adherents of a religion that pervert it in order to dispossess, expel, occupy, oppress, torture, imprison without charge and murder en masse Palestinians, the indigenous inhabitants of historic Palestine.
 
 
-23 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-09 22:54
Why does a comment like this one garner so many thumbs down. Must be that hard-leftists either deny reality or can't stand to have anything said that might loosen their ideological blinders, however slightly.
 
 
+12 # Ray Kondrasuk 2014-08-10 08:17
Or hard rightists, equally blinder-bound.

But Tom DOES make an astute observation that in some sects, converting away from prescribed dogma merits a decapitation.

And Tom, I'm an intolerant member of the Holy Church of the Apostrophe... "it's" is a contraction of "it is"...
 
 
+33 # Charles3000 2014-08-09 14:24
The people in Gaza have heard the immortal words of or Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty or give me death". It is time for the US to be impartial in the region and cease military aid/support to Israel until the Israeli govt opens their eyes and put an end to the horror they are imposing on their neighbors, the Palestinians.
 
 
-61 # brux 2014-08-09 14:33
> The latest Israeli rampage was set off by the brutal murder of three Israeli boys from a settler community in the occupied West Bank.

WOW, Mr. Semantics in action, ... , doesn't even mention the Palestinians. You fools on the Left, Chomsky's playing with you.
 
 
+44 # pbbrodie 2014-08-09 15:50
You NEVER mention any Palestinians who have been killed. You post nothing but invective and insults while accusing others of the same. You also act as if you are the final authority on everything and anyone with counter views are idiots and morons. You are so insulting and full of it. I'm sure there are many more people than me on this site who are sick of your completely one sided and nasty posts, indicated by your many thumbs down on nearly every comment you make.
 
 
+25 # Majikman 2014-08-09 18:17
Agree, pbbrodie. The posts of brux and his ilk are an insight into the hate that's being spewed inside Israel and from AIPAC. Don't you find it curious that as much as he loathes us RSN "idiots & morons" posters, he just can't stay away? He has an agenda, of course, since normal people tend to avoid groups they don't like.
 
 
0 # brux 2014-08-16 16:09
Hate goes one direction only ... from the Muslim world to the Non-Muslim world. What goes back is disgust, dislike, vengeance, revenge, anger, mistrust, guardedness and the like.
 
 
-1 # brux 2014-08-16 16:27
Sorry, talk to me about something I care about?

Yeah, I think far too many people here are idiots and morons... and I get made because my side of the political fence looks stupid because of that, and i don't like it.

I could be right or wrong, but it's pretty easy to prove that most of the posts that I think are from idiots and morons have significant idiotic and moronic elements to them, whilst my posts are merely sometimes mean, condescending, arrogant, or insulting.

I don't waste my time fixating over posts and people I don't care for, I react if I have to and move on. You can't do anything about me anyway.

Bottom line is - Get your Middle Eastern Islamic/Arabic BS far away from my Progressive politics!
 
 
+34 # John_Fisher 2014-08-09 15:57
The very sentence you quote "mentions" the Palestinians, I believe.

The Palestinians are not the party who has blocked a two-state solution in accordance with international law for 40 years. That would be the U.S. and Israel.

Who's being foolish?
 
 
+31 # Tazio 2014-08-09 16:27
The original plan in the late 1940's when the US and Britain were creating new countries everywhere from Istanbul to India, was for two equally sized countries, Israel and Palestine, to sit side by side in a peaceful new Middle East.
Other than the United States, not many countries supported that two state-plan, and no one in the neighborhood did.

So, don't just call for a return to the 1967 borders,
call for the original 1947 plan.
But this time, all the neighboring countries will actually support creating a new country called Palestine, and perhaps even recognize a country called Israel.
 
 
+38 # tedrey 2014-08-09 15:59
And Chomsky's very next sentence is "A month before, two Palestinian boys were shot dead in the West Bank city of Ramallah," and he doesn't even mention the Israelis.

In other words he presents two absolutely balanced statements in both of which he mentions the nationality of the victims and makes no claim of knowing the nationality of the perpetrators.

And you, Brux, take one of these symmetrical statements and ignore the other to try to make Chomsky look one-sided. Those on the left are not such fools as you think. They've long since seen through your semantics.
 
 
+7 # John_Fisher 2014-08-09 16:00
..........and my up-vote on your comment was a mistake on my part, I simply hit the wrong button.
 
 
+25 # Misterioso 2014-08-09 16:34
In fact, the current conflict was started by Israel on June 11th when it launched a missile at a resident of the occupied Gaza Strip and his young son who were riding a motorcycle, killing them both.
GET EDUCATED!!!
 
 
+26 # Nominae 2014-08-09 18:40
Quoting brux:
> WOW, Mr. Semantics in action, ... , doesn't even mention the Palestinians. You fools on the Left, Chomsky's playing with you.


If there is any subject upon which this commenter brux can be said to be expert, it would have to be the subject of "fools".

This entire article speaks volumes about the Palestinians to anyone with reading comprehension skills.

The brux comment above is a textbook example of the typical illogical dodge of cherry-picking phrases out of the context of the actual article, and then going into artificial attack.

In Logic 101, this logical flaw is called "Setting up Straw Men" (and then seeming to knock them down). Ergo, logically invalid.

If you have an argument, present it.

Simply lifting your leg on Chomsky and others whose writing seems to leave you flummoxed and confused is not a substitute for reasoned debate.

It is actually closer to logic-free low-rent propaganda tactics commonly encountered in right wing blather.
 
 
+9 # karenvista 2014-08-10 16:08
Quoting brux:
> The latest Israeli rampage was set off by the brutal murder of three Israeli boys from a settler community in the occupied West Bank.

WOW, Mr. Semantics in action, ... , doesn't even mention the Palestinians. You fools on the Left, Chomsky's playing with you.



That's because, as Prof. Chomsky says, many Israeli officials say that Hamas had nothing to do with it. It is also related to the fact that Netanyahu said that he had "evidence" that Hamas was behind it when he wen on the attack in the West Bank and has NEVER produced any evidence. Because there isn't any. Cui bono?
 
 
-26 # BostonPundit 2014-08-09 15:36
Chomsky writes:


The Hamas Charter disagrees with Chomsky. That document makes it clear that destruction of Israel is its goal and that Jihad to that end is the duty of every Muslim.

http://www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/statute-treaties/hamas_charter.htm
 
 
+25 # Misterioso 2014-08-09 16:40
Reality:
Hamas has long since agreed to the US supported 2002 Arab League Beirut Peace Initiative, which guarantees Israel full recognition as a sovereign state, exchange of ambassadors, trade, tourism, etc., if Israel complies with international law and its previous commitments. In this regard, a headline in the November 9, 2008 edition of Ha'aretz reads: “Haniyeh: Hamas Willing to Accept Palestinian State with 1967 Borders,” for a report that Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh had told 11 members of the European Parliament that Hamas would accept the 1967 borders with Israel and had offered a long-term truce in exchange for Israel’s recognition of Palestinian national rights. In an op-ed column in the New York Times the following year, Robert Malley, special assistant for Arab-Israeli affairs under President Bill Clinton, said Hamas’s acceptance of a two state solution “has now grown from a hint to a certainty.”

Regrettably, for the region and the world, along with several other peace proposals put on the table by the Palestinians, the Arab League and the US (too numerous to list here), Israel has twice rejected the 2002 Arab League Beirut Summit Peace Initiative.

Also, by forming a unity govt. with Fatah last May, Hamas once again agreed to accept Israel within its internationally recognized borders, i.e., those of 4 June 1967.
GET EDUCATED!!
 
 
+8 # artic fox 2014-08-09 23:03
[quote name="Misterioso"]Reality:
Hamas has long since agreed to the US supported 2002 Arab League Beirut Peace Initiative, which guarantees Israel full recognition as a sovereign state, exchange of ambassadors, trade, tourism, etc., if Israel complies with international law and its previous commitments. In this regard, a headline in the November 9, 2008 edition of Ha'aretz reads: “Haniyeh: Hamas Willing to Accept Palestinian State with 1967 Borders,” for a report that Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh had told 11 members of the European Parliament that Hamas would accept the 1967 borders with Israel and had offered a long-term truce in exchange for Israel’s recognition of Palestinian national rights. In an op-ed column in the New York Times the following year, Robert Malley, special assistant for Arab-Israeli affairs under President Bill Clinton, said Hamas’s acceptance of a two state solution “has now grown from a hint to a certainty.”

Regrettably, for the region and the world, along with several other peace proposals put on the table by the Palestinians, the Arab League and the US (too numerous to list here), Israel has twice rejected the 2002 Arab League Beirut Summit Peace Initiative.
explanation of the Israel- Middle East problem.

http://www.prageruniversity.com/Political-Science/Middle-East-Problem.html#.U9Uj5FxpqyR
 
 
+8 # karenvista 2014-08-10 16:17
Misterioso- The Palestinian Unity Government formed by Abbas and Hamas also recognized Israel as you state above and as Prof. Chomsky mentioned but it was not carried by media here but was carried abroad by VOICE OF AMERICA (VOA).

We need them to broadcast here.

http://www.voanews.com/content/us-to-recognize-palestinian-unity-government-/1927962.html
 
 
+28 # Misterioso 2014-08-09 16:43
More reality:

The real obstacle to a two state solution is the platform of the Likud Party headed by Netanyahu.

Here's a summary of the Likud platform:

a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”

b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem” [Palestinians have agreed to share Jerusalem with Israel as a joint capital.]

c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”

d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.”
 
 
+22 # Misterioso 2014-08-09 16:47
BTW, only a fool relies on "Myths and Facts" as a source of information on the Israel-Palestin ian/Arab conflict.

To wit:

http://www.washingtonjewishweek.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=4&ArticleID=8016

Washington Jewish Week,
Dec. 6/07

Myths & Facts originated as an American Israel Public Affairs Committee publication decades ago and was updated by Mitchell Bard, executive director of the Chevy Chase-based American-Israel i Cooperative Enterprise, in recent years.

M.J. Rosenberg, who edited Myths & Facts when he worked at AIPAC in the 1980s, was surprised to hear it was being used in a college class.

"It's not a textbook," said Rosenberg, now the policy director at the Israel Policy Forum. "It's counter-propaga nda" that is "not designed to show both sides," but to provide all the facts that support the pro-Israel side.

Rosenberg said it was "hard to believe" the book would be used in any college class other than one studying propaganda.
 
 
+19 # Nominae 2014-08-09 18:48
Quoting Misterioso:
.....
Rosenberg said it was "hard to believe" the book would be used in any college class other than one studying propaganda.


Thank you so much for actual facts upon which people can educate themselves.

You present the most logically balanced entry to date.

However, don't expect applause from those whose minds are made up,and who cannot deal with having anyone confuse them with actual FACTS.
 
 
+6 # Philothustra 2014-08-10 09:26
Thank you for injection a little bit of research. RSN comments give me a headache, as they consists largely of virulent and repetitious propaganda regard a conflict IN WHICH NEITHER SIDE ACTUALLY SEEKS PEACE...

Which is the simple and profound reason why the US should butt out of farcical peace talks, stop sending $billions to Israel and Egypt and their armies, and stop allowing these belligerent buttholes to bluster, threaten and intimidate our leaders and ambassadors.

ITS ALL LIES AND PROPAGANDA
 
 
+18 # Ken Halt 2014-08-09 17:40
As usual, Chomsky is correct. Thank you for setting the record straight, Misterioso.
 
 
+2 # Ray Kondrasuk 2014-08-10 15:19
BP, you sent me scurrying for a definition...
what is "jihad"?

The Quran does call for "jihad" as a military struggle on behalf of Islam. But the Quran also refers to jihad as an internal, individual, spiritual struggle toward self-improvemen t, moral cleansing and intellectual effort. It is said that Prophet Muhammad considered the armed-struggle version of holy war "the little jihad," but considered the spiritual, individual version of holy war--the war within oneself--as "the great jihad."

Including the "jihad" as one of the five pillars of Islam is another common Western misunderstandin g. Jihad is not among the five pillars of Islam (the profession of faith, prayer five times a day, fasting during Ramadan, alms for the poor and performance of the Hajj, or pilgrimage to Mecca, at least once in each Muslim's lifetime).

Still, "jihad" is considered to be every Muslim's duty--be it the struggle to improve society, preventing the exploitation of the poor or vulnerable, or improving oneself before the Day of Judgment.

http://middleeast.about.com/od/religionsectarianism/g/me080122a.htm
 
 
+3 # Ray Kondrasuk 2014-08-10 15:21
BosPun, you sent me scurrying for a definition... what is "jihad"?

The Quran does call for "jihad" as a military struggle on behalf of Islam. But the Quran also refers to jihad as an internal, individual, spiritual struggle toward self-improvemen t, moral cleansing and intellectual effort. It is said that Prophet Muhammad considered the armed-struggle version of holy war "the little jihad," but considered the spiritual, individual version of holy war--the war within oneself--as "the great jihad."

Including the "jihad" as one of the five pillars of Islam is another common Western misunderstandin g. Jihad is not among the five pillars of Islam (the profession of faith, prayer five times a day, fasting during Ramadan, alms for the poor and performance of the Hajj, or pilgrimage to Mecca, at least once in each Muslim's lifetime).

Still, "jihad" is considered to be every Muslim's duty--be it the struggle to improve society, preventing the exploitation of the poor or vulnerable, or improving oneself before the Day of Judgment.

http://middleeast.about.com/od/religionsectarianism/g/me080122a.htm
 
 
-19 # arquebus 2014-08-09 16:28
I don't pretend to have a solution to this mess, but only the naive could believe that,should Israel end the blockade, a million Palestinians would flood into Israel looking to kill every Jew they can find. Arab hatred of the Jews predates the establishment of the Jewish state. Arabs were mounting anti-Jewish pogroms clear back in the 1920s.
 
 
+21 # Ken Halt 2014-08-09 17:31
arq: Jews, Muslims, and Christians cohabited Palestine in peace prior to the Balfour declaration and the British Mandate, starting just after WWI. Under the mandate, the British were charged with grooming the indigenous population for nationhood and sovereignty. Instead, the British appointed an English army officer who also happened to be Jewish to administer the mandate. He, not surprisingly, favored and enabled Jewish immigration, and there was already an int'l Jewish organization that funneled money into the area to aid the effort. The indigenous Arab population presciently feared what has come to pass: their dispossession and disenfranchisem ent in their own homeland. You are right, troubles started in the 20's but it was not just the Arabs taking up arms, there was murder and terrorism on both sides. It escalated into a 3 year civil insurrection ('35-'38) by the Arab population that was ruthlessly put down by the British in favor of the Jewish immigration, hence Arab support for the Axis powers during WWII. It should be noted here that Britain had frustrated Arab nationalism after WWI even though it had held out sovereignty as a carrot to Arabs to entice them to help defeat the Turks, and this was another sticking point.
 
 
+26 # Ken Halt 2014-08-09 17:38
Here's what Ghandi had to say about the situation in 1938: "Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French...What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct...If they [the Jews] must look to the Palestine of geography as their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of the British gun. A religious act cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb. They can settle in Palestine only by the goodwill of the Arabs... As it is, they are co-sharers with the British in despoiling a people who have done no wrong to them. I am not defending the Arab excesses. I wish they had chosen the way of non-violence in resisting what they rightly regard as an unacceptable encroachment upon their country. But according to the accepted canons of right and wrong, nothing can be said against the Arab resistance in the face of overwhelming odds." Mahatma Gandhi, quoted in "A Land of Two Peoples" ed. Mendes-Flohr. It is worth repeating his words: "...they are despoiling a people who have done no wrong to them." My interest in the area dates at least to the 1970's, when I wondered how Israel could define itself a sincere partner to peace while establishing "facts on the ground." Actions speak louder than words and by now it should be clear to any dispassionate observer that Israel is not interested in peace, it wants the land of its neighbors.
 
 
-5 # artic fox 2014-08-09 23:02
explanation of the Israel- Middle East problem.

http://www.prageruniversity.com/Political-Science/Middle-East-Problem.html#.U9Uj5FxpqyR
 
 
0 # Cassandra2012 2014-10-28 16:10
Gandhi! (not 'Ghandi')
 
 
+16 # trottydt 2014-08-09 16:49
Quoting Naomi Klein in her recent Guardian article – ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

"ECONOMIC SANCTIONS ARE THE MOST EFFECTIVE TOOL IN THE NON-VIOLENT ARSENAL: SURRENDERING THEM VERGES ON ACTIVE COMPLICITY."

I agree entirely, but the sad truth is that nothing significant will change in the "Gaza outdoor prison" until every Jew and American everywhere in the world become unsafe. Israel and the United States are co-joined at the hip; it will require International action to deal with the two-headed monster that bestrides humanity. The Israeli actions in Gaza and the West Bank are slowly inching the World toward that tipping point.
 
 
+15 # Leonard R. Jaffee 2014-08-09 17:22
Sanctions are prospects of hallucinated dreams, because of the U.S. government's near-psychopath ic perspective of Zionism and the Levant.

[Also, solution does not reside in boycott & divestment, which, though fitting and laudable, will influence Israel not much more than would a puppy's sneeze.]
 
 
-2 # ptalady 2014-08-10 12:21
Wow, it sounds at though you advocate every Jew and every American everywhere becoming unsafe. That is quite a radical position! Do you imagine you will feel safe in that case?
 
 
0 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-12 09:59
How is it that you ignore or give a pass to the undisputed fact that HAMAS, a terrorist organization, has ruled Gaza since 2007, as a Taliban-styled Islamist state that continuingly attacks Israeli civilians while sorely oppressing any domestic dissent?
 
 
+25 # Leonard R. Jaffee 2014-08-09 17:19
Solution does not lie in Israel or Gaza or any of the rest of the Middle East or the "Third World" or in Europe.

The root trouble is not in Israel or Gaza, but in the United States — U.S. Congressional & Presidential support of all Israel does, U.S. vetoes of all proposed UN actions that might ameliorate the horror Palestinians suffer because of the conduct of Israel, U.S. weaponry (even atomic weapons) the U.S. Executive has given Israel..........

The solution lies in the citizenry of the U.S.

The solution is the remedy urged in "RISING FROM A MEEK CREVICE" —
http://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/78-78/25072-rising-from-a-meek-crevice
AND the author's end comment (his 2014-08-04 20:21 comment) posted under that article, which comment refers the reader to three of the author's comments posted under another of his articles, published at http://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/78-78/24423-how-not-to-overturn-citizens-united
— three comments that address need of a constitution-am endment that would provide & require a certain kind of regime of public financing of political campaigns.

If we vote enough of the right people into Congress, the U.S. will cease supporting Zionist Israel's terrorism and genocidal design. Then, eventually, Zionist Israel will not be able to continue its criminal treatment of Palestinians.
 
 
+1 # ritawalpoleague 2014-08-11 05:21
Yes, Jaffee. Public financing, along with immediate verification of vote(s) being entered and tallied, are both much needed solutions to not only the egregious treatment of Palestinians by Israel/US, but solutions also to soooooo much and many more overwhelming, 'no justice or peace allowed, 'cause it ain't profitable for the 1%' problems.
 
 
+3 # The Buffalo Guy 2014-08-09 21:04
I'm sure the best solution is a single state with equal opportunity for all but I'm not sure how they would get there and it would take a lot. The Palestinians are generations behind the Israelis in almost everything and especially technology. They need help! If they got help, would they put their hatred behind them and use it to better improve their lives?
It reminds me of the historical novel by Leon Uris published in the 50s and titled EXODUS. How do you get from intolerance and hate to love and respect and most important, TRUST. Is it possible when even a truce cannot be kept?
Nothing about this makes sense to me. It's just not logical.
 
 
+1 # ptalady 2014-08-10 12:24
They are also waaay behind in valuing/support ing/tolerating a pluralistic society.
 
 
-5 # artic fox 2014-08-09 22:59
explanation of the Israel- Middle East problem.

http://www.prageruniversity.com/Political-Science/Middle-East-Problem.html#.U9Uj5FxpqyR
 
 
+10 # motamanx 2014-08-09 23:14
Regarding Gaza’s Death Toll.

The rhetoric of “both sides” implies that pain and fault belong equally to Palestinians and Israelis. It erases manifold, unmistakable, qualitative and quantitative differences at play in Israel’s attack on the Gaza Strip and the political-histo rical context in which this is taking place — most centrally, that what is occurring is part of a settler-colonia l invasion."

It should be emphasized how the enormous power differences between Palestinians and Israelis are thoroughly effaced by "both sides at fault" rhetoric:
"To employ “both sides” rhetoric completely misrepresents the situation. It is not “both sides” who take thousands of political prisoners. Both sides do not systematically torture each other. Both sides do not control each other’s freedom of movement, or access to the sea, drinking water, and education."

Perhaps liberal senators -- if they exist -- do think that both sides are at fault but Israel, because it is a U.S. ally, nevertheless deserves support.
Among other things, the 100-0 senatorial vote makes me rather discouraged about the value of electoral democracy.

In addition to these distinctions, the “both sides” idea is dangerous because it is immobilizing. With its use, it becomes impossible to demand an end to Israel’s colonial practices.

And that is exactly the point.
 
 
+10 # motamanx 2014-08-09 23:20
Wasn’t the point of the Israeli invasion of Gaza an exercise to stop the rockets?
Apparently not, as the rocket sites continue to launch. Luckily for Israel, the rockets don’t hit any targets at all, but they do give them a fine excuse to bomb the hell out of Gaza.

Perhaps Israel should outsource the bombing of the Hamas’ rocket sites to an air force that can find its target. For weeks, the Israeli Air Force has been hitting “targets” that have nothing to do with rockets: schools, hospitals, markets, etc. They even announce what they are going to bomb so that innocents can get out of their houses, and then they bomb the houses. Inasmuch as they are utilizing weapons provided to them by the United States, perhaps it should be us that shows them how these things work. We did it so well in Iraq.
 
 
+7 # Hacienda View 2014-08-10 07:12
Where did all these Palastinians come from and where do they live. Oh, that's right they come from a country that before 1948 was called Palestine. Then someone came along and stole it. I'd be F***ing angry too!
 
 
-18 # Citizen Mike 2014-08-10 07:24
Chomsky just does not get it. By electing Hamas, the population of Gaza became partisans of genocide against the Jews and may reasonably construed by the Israelis as combatants.

And the Israelis being descended from Holocaust victims, consider themselves to be morally entitled to give back to the world of their enemies what they got from the Nazis, which is genocide: they may kill up to six million antisemites.

That is the real deal, a competition between two genocidal cultures. But the Israelis also learned from the Nazis that real effective power comes from the unrestricted use of military force and beside that all talk is bullshit. They have taken pains to master the use of force, so "never again" will they be victims in a world filled with enemies.

This is a conflict that will not end until one side has exterminated the other. The US should just stand back and stay out of it.
 
 
+4 # dusty 2014-08-10 10:27
CM -- are you saying that the Jewish state has become a NAZI state and feels righteous about its position?

"And the Israelis being descended from Holocaust victims, consider themselves to be morally entitled to give back to the world of their enemies what they got from the Nazis, which is genocide: they may kill up to six million antisemites.

That is the real deal, a competition between two genocidal cultures. But the Israelis also learned from the Nazis that real effective power comes from the unrestricted use of military force and beside that all talk is bullshit. They have taken pains to master the use of force, so "never again" will they be victims in a world filled with enemies."
 
 
+7 # Ray Kondrasuk 2014-08-10 19:04
Mike,

"...genocide against the Jews..."?

Do a body count, Mike, to get some feel for who is being annihilated.
 
 
-1 # Dennis Newman 2014-08-12 09:56
CM, really. Only ideologues, badly deluded folks, plain fools or haters will equate, conflate and confuse the lethal but limited military assault of a democratic state acting under fire -- HAMAS launched more than 1,600 terrorist attacks at Israeli civilians in the less than 30 days before July 8, when Israel struck back hard against HAMAS in Gaza, with the kind of aggressive military repression and terrorism that characterized the Nazis or for that matter, HAMAS, which is designated a terrorist organizaton by the U.S., E.U., Great Britain, Canada, Australia, Japan, et. al., for a reason. When you use the word "genocide" to apply to Israel, you do three things at once: You strip the word of its meaning, and so cheapen it (you might want to read up on the coining of the word and the life of the lawyer who spent decades to bring it world recognition); you commit a modern-day blood libeling of the Jewish state and people; and you desecrate the memory of those who were in fact victim of genocide, such as the Jews under Hitler, the Cambodians under Pol Pot, the Tutsis under the Hutus, and Iraqis of various nationalities under Saddam.
 
 
-1 # brux 2014-08-16 16:07
MY BOTTOM LINE

IS

Get your Middle Eastern Islamic/Arabic BullS-
far, far, far away from my Progressive politics!
 

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