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Pierce writes: "It's really time for the Republican party, at the local, state, and party levels, to man up here, or else to say clearly that individual acts of seditious lawlessness are part of the party's basic philosophy of government."

Activists seeking to directly challenge federal control of swathes of territory in the U.S. West embark on an all-terrain vehicle ride on Saturday across protected land in Utah that is home to Native American artifacts and where such journeys are banned. (photo: Jim Urquhart/Reuters)
Activists seeking to directly challenge federal control of swathes of territory in the U.S. West embark on an all-terrain vehicle ride on Saturday across protected land in Utah that is home to Native American artifacts and where such journeys are banned. (photo: Jim Urquhart/Reuters)

Shit's Getting Real Out West

By Charles Pierce, Esquire

14 May 14


t's really time for the Republican party, at the local, state, and party levels, to man up here, or else to say clearly that individual acts of seditious lawlessness are part of the party's basic philosophy of government. Maybe each Republican state committee can have an annual Calhoun-Davis Day Dinner.

Their message Saturday was clear amid the dust: This was the latest challenge by citizens saying they are defending state and local rights against an increasingly arrogant federal government that has overstepped its role in small communities such as Blanding. The protagonist this time wasn't a private rancher like Cliven Bundy, who prevailed in a standoff with the Bureau of Land Management in Nevada. This protest was the brainchild of a public official, San Juan County Commissioner Phil Lyman, who contends that this town of 3,500 residents has tried hard to compromise with the bureau to reopen scenic Recapture Canyon to all-terrain vehicles. BLM officials banned the vehicles to protect archaeological sites, a move residents say has cheated them out of a prime recreational area. Unlike in the Bundy incident, no guns were brandished here, but the words were volatile. "If you make a rule that I have to lick your boots," Lyman said of federal officials, "I'm just not going to do that."

Phil, of course, is what Joseph Warren would have been, has Warren been a CPA.

Lyman said the much-publicized ride on the northern section of the 11-mile trail is less about the canyon specifically and more about public access to trails in general. "This is not about Recapture. It is not about ATVs. It is not politics, it is not economics," he said. "It is part of who I am. It is part of Blanding, and it is our culture, too. We don't not want to see groups come in and say these trails did not exist ... it was a thoroughfare since the mid-1800s."

Which is about when a big-government program called the U.S. Cavalry came along and cleared out all the natives so that, one day, Phil Lyman could help people dodge taxes and act like a jackass on weekends.

(And, of course, the local Native Americans objected, too, but they haven't been relevant since "the mid-1800s.")

This is an elected official, not some racist wrinkle-bag like Cliven Bundy. If you vote for Phil Lyman, you are voting for sedition. If you are Fox News, and you celebrate him, you are celebrating sedition. It is long past time for the Republican party to fish or cut bait on this end of movement conservatism. Either support the seditious philosophy of local control, or oppose it. But they shouldn't be allowed any more to use its energy during election years and then walk away after the votes are cast.

San Juan County Sheriff Rick Eldredge and County Commissioner Phil Lyman confirmed Tuesday that county officials have proposed removing barricades and providing resources to operate Lake Powell, Natural Bridges and Hovenweep national monuments, and the Needles District of Canyonlands National Park...Lyman said county officials have alerted park superintendents as to their plans. "The last thing we want to do is surprise everybody," he said. "We're begging them for any information they're willing to give us, and they're passively resistant. Philosophically, they may agree with what we're doing, but they can't come in and say, ‘Let's work out a deal,' and they can't accept any help from the state." He said efforts are not politically motivated on either side.

Yeah, we see that now, Phil. Thanks.

There far too much loose talk in respectable Republican circles about nullification, secession, and the crackpot theories of county government that used to be the exclusive ideological province of the Posse Comitatus movement. (There is also too much loose talk about impeachment, too, but that's a whole 'nother kettle of scrod.) Increasingly, there is no apparent fringe to conservative rhetoric, let alone any real limits. Somebody within that party has to step up and rein this lunacy in, or else embrace it publicly as the party's basic philosophy, or else euphemisms may not be the only things that die in those deserts. your social media marketing partner


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+47 # 2014-05-14 13:15
Couldn't agree more. I also can't help wondering if the numerous "local control" initiatives on the November ballot in Colorado, which are designed to override State regulation of a major industry, would also be considered by Pierce as "seditious."
+1 # RobertMStahl 2014-05-15 16:24
Probably. Then, there is this backdrop to the sedition, of the turtle conservation effort in Bundy's backyard where 'they' (the conservationist government [sic]) had to kill a huge portion of the whole population in order to assure 'success.' Do you think this win could be translated to Ukraine's mob rule?
+50 # margpark 2014-05-14 13:19
Are people banned from visiting the area or just ATVs? Can you ride a horse in? Can you go on foot? ATVs are both noisy and smelly. I have seen no explanation concerning anything except that some people want to drive ATVs into the area.
+117 # Glen 2014-05-14 13:33
Margpark, the ATV is merely a symbol of power. If there were no ATVs, there would be another means of noise and power these folks would adopt.

ATVs are a source of real destruction, just as big ass trucks with over size tires careening across the land. Better than a dog for threatening people, and the destruction is exactly why ATVs are banned from many locations, not just parks. Small landowners don't allow them, either, even along a highway.

Obviously, this group of anarchists are not interested in the land.
+71 # cymricmorty 2014-05-14 15:53
As well as a symbol of power and destruction, ATVs are a symbol of major disrespect to the Native American culture, who consider these grounds sacred, and ATVs have been banned for that reason.
+16 # RLF 2014-05-15 04:40
They are a symbol of how obese Americans have gotten. they need to take their atvs because they are to fat to walk and too ignorant to understand why these pieces of crap shouldn't be allowed anywhere on public lands. More kids are killed by these things than by school shootings!
+1 # LAellie33 2014-05-25 02:34
ATV's have been banned, yet the whole lot of these wild west extremists purposely tread on Native American ritually religious and sacred ground -- warranting a few scalps!
+51 # wipster 2014-05-14 17:37
First it starts with riding on the trails, then racing on the trails, then going off the trails, then climbing the hills, all the while scarring this beautiful art of nature. Don't get me wrong; I love riding ATV's... just not here. There are plenty of other sites to have fun without tearing up ground that can't be replaced,
+47 # indian weaver 2014-05-14 15:54
Read the article next time, margpark, before commenting or asking redundant questions. Horses and hiking are perfectly fine. You are right: the stench of gasoline, the noise are incredibly objectionable to anyone who has the strength to actually walk instead of these lazy stinking assholes who are too fat and lazy to walk.
+68 # WestWinds 2014-05-14 16:49
I say, throw the lot of them out, give the land back to the Indians who will give guided walking tours and keep all the noisy smelly ATV's and everything else out of there.

These Right-wingers have absolutely no respect; not for government, not for a burial place of antiquities, and certainly not for the Indians!
-6 # RLF 2014-05-15 04:41
Horses can be incredibly destructive when there are too many of them.
+17 # indian weaver 2014-05-15 05:41
Ants can be incredibly destructive when there are too many of them.
+1 # MJnevetS 2014-05-20 07:32
Funny, RLF, even a single horse's a$$ can be destructive, by expanding the stupidity quotient to toxic levels.
+61 # Glen 2014-05-14 13:21
One more recruitment method for the coming "revolution" that nutcases like this assume they can win. These guys are being given a pass right now, but in spite of any political support, if this movement becomes a real threat the government will stomp it out. Or, citizens at large will end fighting each other, rather the government stepping in.

Chaos increases a true government takeover.
+14 # ganymede 2014-05-14 20:03
Couldn't agree more. Having watched Obama operate over the past years, I'm sure he's letting all this unravel as part of a strategy to get all the Republicans out of the government this fall. They have sunk so low that they're basically encouraging an uprising against the government and the American people.

It's great that we have these infantile fascists zooming around and tearing up public lands, backed by the evil money and media (Fox)people. Not good publicity for the Republicans. Time and demographics are working furiously against the rightwingers and like nearly all their other, mostly futile attempts to gain power, the rightwingers are going to have all this blow up in their faces.

I'm sure at the right moment Obama & crew are going to expose what a bunch of seditious traitors these people really are, and that includes Bundy. All this will be settled in court and there might be prison time involved.

I can't think of one positive thing the Republicans stand for and this will only add to the anger and resentment against them, and might cause the Republicans to loss control of the House of Representatives this fall. The spineless Democrats aren't much better, but there are growing numbers of progressives amongst them who at least have some sense of fairness and morality.
+2 # jcdav 2014-05-15 07:40
The MIC & 1% would really benefit from escalating our fighting with each other...and they can easily encourage groups like these wingnuts.
+1 # Glen 2014-05-15 15:27
Jcdav, you see it too. Squabbling citizens pay no attention to the real and ulterior motives of the government and military.
+51 # 2014-05-14 13:30
I think we ought to let them all go. They think, like Texas, they'll be better off? Go for it.

Never understood why the Federal Government didn't just file a lien on ol' Cliven Bundy's property. That's the way to hit somebody where it hurts, and doesn't involve guns or confrontation. He pays off the lien or they get their money when he tries to sell the land...

Feds are really messed up here: first they wait until the guy owes $1 million and then they try to take his livestock? That's just nuts all around.

Somethin' just isn't right here.
-19 # indian weaver 2014-05-14 15:57
You got that right. All of us can now arm ourselves and begin to take the law into our own hands. That is the message Obama is sending everyone. As with him and his lawlessness, breaking the law isn't just for Obama anymore. We all can do it with impunity, apparently. It'll be a war of numbers and armament. We the People have the numbers. The enemy has the armament. Ugly.
+6 # AndreM5 2014-05-15 10:26
Wrong. He has been in court multiple times responding to liens and fines over 20 years. No one waited "until the guy owes $1 million." He is not going to sell his land anyway.
+2 # 2014-05-15 13:40
Shows what I know.

But he looks old. Gotta die sooner or later...

: )
+2 # 2014-05-15 13:48
Just did a micro second of research, and apparently the BLM is now considering filing a lien on the CATTLE. (Didn't know you could do that.)

There was a quote that they didn't know they could do that, either!

(Still seems a little like amateur hour.)
0 # mighead 2014-05-15 20:20
some 'wiseguy' said 'next time...take Bundy first and worry about the cattle later!'

but not to worry about the little guy pulling anything on the Feds here...

the FBI is investigating and is 'on the case'...most assuredly it is looking through all of Bundy's phone records we all know by now...they have full warrantless access to all of the content!!! and there is no 'metadata' myth about 'only the envelopes' in the FBI...that's only the official 'government speak' regarding the phone company data...not their own database(s)!... they have full access to the NSA-CIA-DOI-FBI and shared 5-eyes database of the content of all the phone calls and emails any of us have ever sent...

so the FBI is now actively pursuing ALL of the people that came to Bundy's 'rescue'...and all of THEIR contacts and friends...

after all...this is a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY!!!
+83 # NAVYVET 2014-05-14 13:32
Arrest them all. Indict them all. Had that been done to Hitler and his Brownshirts in their early days a great big war, at least the European part, and about ten million dead people, might not have happened.

That is what "law & order" is supposed to be for.
+24 # 2014-05-14 14:03
26 million Russians alone.
+22 # lorenbliss 2014-05-14 14:57
More like 40 million Soviet least. See
+4 # AndreM5 2014-05-15 10:26
It's coming. FBI is getting its ducks in a row first as it should.
+80 # Billsy 2014-05-14 13:35
The behavior of these ATV owners strikes me as particularly adolescent. Not much different from a skate-boarder tearing up a terraced park area for his own amusement, never mind the cost to repair damage or the irritation caused to others.
+99 # Farafalla 2014-05-14 13:53
They are quite different from skateboarders since they are the shock troops of a movement by developers to wrestle public lands away from the government, privatize them, and develop them with mines and more cattle and the rest of it. Indeed the GOP has embraced the Posse Comitatus and the John Birch Society.

I have no sympathy for these rednecks that feed off the federal subsidies for exploiting public lands then want the whole tamale. Conservatives in these areas are religious fanatics (Mormons and evangelicals) and racists. ¡Que se chinguen los pinches gabachos!.
+60 # Barbara K 2014-05-14 14:06
And since they are freeloading guests of Bundy, he should be responsible for repairing the damage they are causing.

+22 # WestWinds 2014-05-14 15:32
Quoting Barbara K:
And since they are freeloading guests of Bundy, he should be responsible for repairing the damage they are causing.


--- Good thinking, Barbara K.; totally agree.
+2 # AndreM5 2014-05-15 10:27
They are camped out in a state park.
+41 # jwb110 2014-05-14 13:38
These Bundy groups ultimately turn on each other thought never soon enough. It might be interesting to see how the Bundy types behavior would measure up to the OWS taking over a city park, no guns, no paramilitary, no threats, no Confederate Flags, no stealing money legally owed to the US Gov't.
A big boil is about to be lanced.
+59 # teachnet 2014-05-14 13:53
Why has no one used the "T" word on these people? They're not even passively protesting the government. They're actively denouncing it. They're running around with guns, trampling on other people's history (far preceding their "1800's" claim for horse-and-buggy or horse rider highways), they've set up armed checkpoints to harass small town locals trying to get home after work. They're definitely extremists. Where are the tanks, the storm trooper suits, the pepper spray, noise cannons, kettling nets?

What does it take to get renditioned, Gitmo'd, or droned when you're on the "Right"??

Or, is it just that THESE protestors are armed?
+62 # moonrigger 2014-05-14 14:40
Exactly! And why does our government allow paramilitary groups to exist in the first place, while at the same time, locking up peaceful anti-war protesters?
+4 # bingers 2014-05-15 02:26
Quoting moonrigger:
Exactly! And why does our government allow paramilitary groups to exist in the first place, while at the same time, locking up peaceful anti-war protesters?

They can't win in the minds (or non-minds) of people. If they try to solve it peacefully they get damned, if they try to force accommodation they hear the RWNJs screaming Ruby Ridge or Waco. You all need to come up with one idea and stay with it.
+31 # wolf 2014-05-14 17:47
I think we need to start to admit something to ourselves: that a minority political party; with at-most 1/3rd representation in the population; has used underhanded and illegal methods to secure a majority stake in government and is taking over the nation to their own benefit.

I think its time we took our government back, not just from the Republicans who took it from us, but from the Democrats who gave it to them; when it wasn't theirs to give in the first place.

We need a new political party: the Independent Citizens Party, where membership is about pledging to serve the public good; not a party platform.
+81 # jJLLA 2014-05-14 14:00
I remember when Bush was in office and after four years of war, some town in Vermont was voting to secede from the union. Bill O'Reilly and Hannity were all over it: ranting about the unpatriotic, anti-American sentiments that would prompt such actions. Today they laud people who threaten violence against out government. Oh how their song has changed now that there is a black man in the white house!
+37 # reiverpacific 2014-05-14 14:22
"There far too much loose talk in respectable Republican circles" (Quote from article).
"RESPECTABLE" Republican circles?????
Now what would these be: George "The Whig" Will, Newsmax-Reactio naries on steroids----????
If this had been a Tea-thuglican administration, especially if the dissenters were peaceful or American Indian, they'd ha' been down on them like a ton of SWAT, Darth-Vader bricks, Armed Personnel Carriers and all; -and just for once, I'd like to see them do it to the Bundy Bunch and let "Hairpiece" Hannity and "Pill" O'Reilly howl like Banshees at the "Communist" government taking away these warped thug's self-appointed, arrogant "freedoms" to intimidate the citizens of Bunkersville and deliberately, disrespectfully roar their ATV's around Indian sacred ground!
The only thing that these fuckers deem sacred is the bully end of a gun, so let 'em have the business end for a change -after all, aren't the military and cops (increasingly hard to differentiate between them) supposed to be protecting taxpayers (instead of shooting 93 years olds)? !
+34 # RMolineaux 2014-05-14 14:28
While this problema is in the news, there needs to be an investigation of the role of Honda Motors in promotinhg ATV use on sensitive lands.
+21 # RCW 2014-05-14 14:34
This is how we will eventually trash (debris and loud radios) this part of the land and artifacts that need to be preserved.
+84 # moonrigger 2014-05-14 14:38
So, let me get this straight: If you're a girl who sympathizes with the Occupiers, and respond to a guy grabbing your breast by elbowing him, and it turns out to be a bad cop--you get thrown in jail and booked, and face years of prison time, not to mention a felony on your record. But if you're a scofflaw bullying offroader threatening to take over public lands and/or set up checkpoints at gunpoint, and think it's your gawd-given right to ask law-abiding residents for their papers, you're not considered a threat and Homeland Security will look the other way. How much more wrong can this be??
+12 # wolf 2014-05-14 17:44

Or unfair?

What are the definitions of "corrupt" and "injustice"?
-15 # Malcolm 2014-05-14 14:43
"Man Up?" That ain't very PC, amigo. Please make that "Person Up".
+44 # Katz Ro 2014-05-14 14:45
this is beyond insane this area should have been given back to the Ute tribe as well as shared with the Pubelos if there was any discussion of the feds giving it to anyone. When this first came up I went looking for a number of a Ute director of their museum I had talked to recently then realized that kinda situation would end up real ugly. It's up to the feds to jump in seriously not like the candy ass way they handled the Bundy thugs the BLM should have had real federal backup and that was crap. I'd like to go up there but if I did would probably be sent back in a box and I'm not martyr material but I am ready to go through the roof. All of these freaks should have their ATVs shoved up their lazy moronic white asses
+30 # WestWinds 2014-05-14 15:42
Quoting Katz Ro:
this is beyond insane this area should have been given back to the Ute tribe as well as shared with the Pubelos if there was any discussion of the feds giving it to anyone. When this first came up I went looking for a number of a Ute director of their museum I had talked to recently then realized that kinda situation would end up real ugly. It's up to the feds to jump in seriously not like the candy ass way they handled the Bundy thugs the BLM should have had real federal backup and that was crap. I'd like to go up there but if I did would probably be sent back in a box and I'm not martyr material but I am ready to go through the roof. All of these freaks should have their ATVs shoved up their lazy moronic white asses

--- I agree 100% with you Katz Ro. This land needs to be given back to the Indians in perpetuity. Once under their care, custody and control all of this nonsense would just go away. For all of the broken treaties that have gone on and are STILL GOING ON, we need to start trusting the Indians with protected lands; a job they know how to do better than any of the rest of us.
+12 # Malcolm 2014-05-14 14:52
Here in the O&C states, many local governments are calling for "getting the land back from the Feds". This is all about former payments by the Feds for loss of property taxes when the Feds foreclosed on the O & C RR lands-millions of acres of forestland.

Considering what a mess the feds are making of the forests, the idea is not all bad, though damned unlikely to happen.

Josephine County, where I live-the county Forestry Department is doing a marvelous job managing our county forests, which the county got for back taxes after the Timber Fuckers raped the land, then abandoned it.
+3 # wolf 2014-05-14 17:43
"Marvelous job" is not a qualitative measure. Would you care to back up your claim?

As far as I know, there isn't a single forest in the United States managed well, unless you are a resource extractionist that is.
+2 # Malcolm 2014-05-14 22:50
Do you perchance mean "quantitative?" I think "marvelous" is pretty darn qualitative.
I'll wager even you would like the management style I use on my old growth forest. I don't cut live trees, I am gentle on the soil, I utilize a few dead trees to build houses, thus avoiding having to buy lumber made from clearcutting live trees. The other dead trees I leave as lunch counters for the pileated woodpeckers, and three or four other types of peckers. And the bugs. Can't forget the bugs.

The land is a bloody wildlife sanctuary, first and foremost, and will remain so in perpetuity.

The county is not as gentle ad I am, but compared to the Feds, county forestry are bleeding SAINTS! They logged 160 acres next yo my forest, and you'd never know it, if you didn't know what you were looking at. Now, about fifteen years later, it looks as good as it did before they logged.

THANK-YOU, JOCO Forestry folks!
+15 # Tigre1 2014-05-14 14:58
Who wants to bet the bought-up sold-out DOJ won't touch these favored traitors?

After all, if they can buy a supreme (?) court judge, FBI and local marshals etc have got to be cheap.

With the Kochbabies' money awash over the southwest, it's hard to tell right now who's whose.

If the feds haven't taken out Bumdy and the Bumdyites by August, the fix is definitely in.

And my personal opinion is that it is.
I have acquaintances in the biz, and I listen...
+9 # cymricmorty 2014-05-14 16:57
I wonder if there's a price list floating around in right wing circles for government officials: fed, state, civic, major to minor, urban to rural, and so on.
+26 # L. Sabransky 2014-05-14 15:14
Great article and one that NEEDED to be written. These cowboy uber-Libertaria ns on steroids are making even the Kochs uncomfortable.. .Not fun facing the monster you created is it, boys???

My favorite part:
"It is long past time for the Republican party to fish or cut bait on this end of movement conservatism. Either support the seditious philosophy of local control, or oppose it."
+22 # WestWinds 2014-05-14 15:49
Who cares about the Rotten Republicans and what they want. They have run rough shod and spiked spurred all over us and this country for the last half a century and enough is enough. These Far Right Neo Nazi's have got to go and molly coddling them and their temper tantrums has got to end. I still say, give the land back to the true and rightful owners, the Indians, and let them take care of the land the way it should be thereby ending dreadful forest devastation, horrid abandoned mining messes and a long list of extinct species.
+18 # hydroweb 2014-05-14 16:26
It's my land. I don't want atvs on it.
+30 # wolf 2014-05-14 17:40
Having been involved in Western political issues, primarily related to wolf reintroduction, I can tell you precisely what these "protesters" are all about:

Bone idle laziness.

These people do not want access to a closed trail, they want to sit their fat lazy asses on ATVs and rip through the precious and fragile cryptogramic crusts that line the trails, while they show off their prowess and tearing up dirt and racing amongst precious native American historical artifacts and precious and fragile national beauty that was enshrined by the park designation in the first place.

These people are all allowed to walk, to ride bicycles, and even to sit their fat asses on fat-ass horses and go through the trail, just as their not-so-fat, and not-quite-as-la zy, closely related (VERY closely related) ancestors did in the "mid-1800s."

These people are not proud political protestors, they are troublemakers. These people are out there to strike fear into our federal government; which last time I checked this nation's founding documents meant that these people are out to strike fear into the whole nation.

I don't know about you, but the last time I checked, we had a law that covered this, and I do believe it's still called "The Patriot Act," the same law that put me on the terrorist watch list because Oprah Winfrey's intern could not understand that I wanted to have her interview me at a convention to show people what the mass shootings are all about, not to have one.
+21 # ericlipps 2014-05-14 18:14
You want to know the really funny thing? these people who want to tell the U.S. government to go f*** itself, or who, like Cliven Bundy, claim they don't even recognize it as existing, call themselves patriotic Americans.

If the shoe were on the other foot and it were radical leftists doing this, these people would be calling it treason and demanding to know why the Feds didn't go in shooting.
-1 # artistinaspen 2014-05-16 21:29
"why the Feds didn't go in shooting..."

You sure about that, bro?

I was one of the co-architects of occupy aspen--- the feds won't win any popularity contests in the West....
+13 # barryg 2014-05-14 19:02
The feds would go in shooting. Repubs would not have to ask. I think we have already lost, unless we are willing to stand up in peace and possibly die for our compassionate, democratic, egalitarian beliefs.
+5 # lorenbliss 2014-05-14 20:09
Barryg is correct. Indeed, there is only one possible explanation for the non-response to armed, incipiently violent defiance by the Hard Right versus the zero-tolerance suppression of even the most peaceful protests by the Left.

Obviously the Obama Regime has concluded the times ahead are so dire it will need the armed support of the domestic fascists racists and neo-Nazis – just as it now desperately needs these moral imbeciles in Ukraine to impose capitalism's New World Order on the devout socialists of that nation's ethnically Russian regions.

Obviously too, the two-party charade of U.S. “democracy” is wearing thin, with rising proletarian anger at home and abroad forcing the Democratic Party to at long last drop its Big Lie rhetoric and reveal its ruling ideology is truly Republican – that is, fascist if not neo-Nazi.

That's why I say Obama will go into history as the most dishonest U.S. president ever: he ran for office as a mildly progressive Democrat but has since revealed himself to be not just a Republican but – save on a few (economically meaningless) social issues – a Hard-Right Republican, even more tyrannical than Nixon.
-5 # Yachtsman 2014-05-14 20:59
Why should any citizen obey the laws of the land anymore? President Obama certainly picks and chooses which laws he’s going to obey (and enforce). When the leaders start doing as they please, why should the people believe they must act differently? He and his comrades have brought this on themselves and the country is suffering because of it. You can’t have it both ways, so expect to see more lawlessness until this leader is replaced.
+4 # indian weaver 2014-05-15 05:48
Exactly my point above which has received negatives. Well put. Obama is the "current" example of cowardly dishonest ruthlessness we have been forced to obey or to suffer if we do not obey. Obama is no example of humanity but only another dubya: terrorist, torturer, assassin, liar, coward.
+5 # moonrigger 2014-05-16 08:01
Why do these conversations always degenerate into Obama blaming? We are talking about a bunch of thugs desecrating public lands and/or Indian lands. These guys are bullies with guns causing irreparable damage to these areas. Already they have done more damage in the past 50 years than anything Mother Nature has done in many millenia. Their trails wipe out all the ecostructure, which takes many generations to rebuild. I invite you to educate yourself about how soil biology. What appears to be barren desert is full of life, although not the same type seen in more verdant areas. Also, these cuts into the landscape get deeper and deeper with every rain, until they subdivide the land, and cause other environmental issues--such as wiping out treasured landmarks. You can read about this on the USGS website, or in their publications. So this is way more than a standoff between some supposed antiheros trying to defend property rights. Geez!
+1 # MJnevetS 2014-05-20 08:22
It takes a Republican Troll to get it so WRONG, even if I agree that our President's behavior is extremely problematic. I have always considered myself a progressive liberal and although Barrack Obama was not my choice in the Democratic primaries, I had hopes that he would actually remedy the excesses and failures to abide by the constitution of the prior 8 years, so I voted for him. Nonetheless to talk about "his comrades" shows you are wearing right-wing blinders; is it racism? Or, is it just that he has placed a placard on his politics by which he claims he is Democratic? He is not. As noted above, other than a couple of social issues (some of which he was forced to pursue) he is a hard right conservative. Let's make a list:
1. Will not prosecute prior administration' s war crimes.
2. Did not close Gitmo.
3. Doubled down on the Patriot Act.
4. Doubled down on surveillance of Americans.
5. Gave us the ACA (based upon the conservative Heritage Foundation plan) as opposed to 'single payer' or medicare for all, wanted by most people (NOT only liberals!)
6. Pursuing Trans-Pacific Partnership and keeping the terms secret.
9. Attacking peaceful liberal protesters (OWS)
10. Recognizing Neo-Nazis who overthrew a democratically elected government (Ukraine).

So, Yachtsman, for all your 'comrade' /Communist complaints regarding President Obama, his politics are exactly what you crave (in a white Republican).
+3 # fredboy 2014-05-15 08:10
Time to enforce the law.
-6 # Yachtsman 2014-05-15 13:02
Which laws? Immigration laws? Defense of Marriage Act? How about Controlled Substances Laws that prohibit the use of marijuana? How about enforcing the original Affordable Care Act instead of unilaterally and illegally changing its provisions? You get the picture? This president doesn't care about the law – only his own self interests.
+7 # barbaratodish 2014-05-15 12:38
Try WALKING into the BLM protected areas! OH! But walking would hardly be a PERFORMANCE, then. These ATV owners have to PERFORM with their vehicles, They have to BE their ATVs. They have to compete and compare their ATVs! They are too lazy to walk!
+7 # moonrigger 2014-05-16 07:48
I went camping in Utah outside of Pine Valley, paying my overnight fee, etc. Woke up early morning surrounded by a huge herd of cattle. I hiked through cow patties for about a mile and found that a fence had been completely trampled down, and had been that way for awhile--apparen tly unbeknownst to the rangers, much less the BLM. I also found that the cattle had completely wiped out the banks of the stream there, and they were shitting in the water. For those that don't know, cattle are a major cause of pollution and environmental destruction, not to mention methane gas (global warming). Their trails become gullies, which cannot be repaired. Also, they're not native species to our land, but were brought here by the British and Germans. Study the range wars sometime. Cattle barons won out over sheep ranchers, and now we have the ultimate outcome...back to the wild west days, broken treaties, and utter lawlessness.
0 # artistinaspen 2014-05-16 21:27
I don't entirely agree with the civil disobedience from the ATV folk; but the people that are defending the arrogant federal government are making my day.

You think the feds need your support. The executive of the federal government maintains a "kill list" throwing away 200 years of due process. And yet...

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