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Parry writes: "Between the anti-Russian propaganda pouring forth from the Obama administration and the deeply biased coverage from the U.S. news media, the American people are being prepared to accept and perhaps even cheer a massacre of eastern Ukrainians who have risen up against the coup regime in Kiev."

Arsen Avakov (right) (photo: AFP/Yury Kirnichny)
Arsen Avakov (right) (photo: AFP/Yury Kirnichny)


Prepping for a Ukrainian Massacre

By Robert Parry, Consortium News

23 April 14

 

etween the anti-Russian propaganda pouring forth from the Obama administration and the deeply biased coverage from the U.S. news media, the American people are being prepared to accept and perhaps even cheer a massacre of eastern Ukrainians who have risen up against the coup regime in Kiev.

The protesters who have seized government buildings in ten towns in eastern Ukraine are being casually dubbed “terrorists” by both the Kiev regime and some American journalists. Meanwhile, it’s become conventional wisdom in Official Washington to assume that the protesters are led by Russian special forces because of some dubious photographs of armed men, accepted as “proof” with few questions asked by the mainstream U.S. news media.

While the U.S. news media is treating these blurry photos as the slam-dunk evidence of direct Russian control of the eastern Ukrainian protests – despite denials by the Russian government and the protesters – the BBC was among the few news agencies that provided a more objective assessment, noting that the photos are open to a variety of interpretations.

However, in Official Washington, the stage is now set for what could be a massacre of Ukrainian civilians who have risen up against the putschists who seized control of Kiev in a Feb. 22 coup that overthrew elected President Viktor Yanukovych. The violent putsch was spearheaded by neo-Nazi militias, some of which have now been incorporated into Ukraine’s National Guard and dispatched to the front lines in eastern Ukraine.

If the slaughter of the eastern Ukrainian protesters does come, you can expect Official Washington to be supportive. Whereas the Kiev protesters who seized government buildings in February were deemed “pro-democracy” activists even as they overthrew a democratically elected leader, the eastern Ukrainian protesters, who still consider Yanukovych their legitimate president, are dismissed as “terrorists.” And, we all know what happens to “terrorists.”

The Biased Media

If you doubt the bias of the U.S. press corps, consider this interview by the Washington Post’s Lally Weymouth with Arsen Avakov, the Ukrainian coup regime’s minister of internal affairs. As published in Tuesday’s Washington Post, the interview quoted Avakov as saying the protesters “will be punished severely” and included an exchange reflecting how thoroughly U.S. journalists have bought into the coup regime’s narrative:

Weymouth: Do you think the Russians will actually release the [government] buildings, as they said they would in last week’s Geneva meeting?

Avakov: Russia is taking advantage of the depressed condition of the local economy of these regions. … But even in spite of that situation, in the city of Kramatorsk [the Russians] did not have the level of support that they expected. We do not behave radically there for one reason.

Weymouth: When you say ‘radically,’ do you mean you don’t fight the terrorists?

Avakov: We are not acting radically in that region for two reasons. One is we do not want to hurt the peaceful population. And the second reason is we don’t want to turn the population against the central government. But that does not mean it will stay like this forever.

Weymouth: Then what happens?

Avakov: We will act.

Weymouth: What will you do?

Avakov: We will start liberating people from the terrorists. … We are going to take full control over the roads, irrespective of the resistance of some groups.

What was journalistically remarkable about this interview was that it was Weymouth who began describing the eastern Ukrainian protesters as “terrorists,” though these people who have seized government buildings have not engaged in what we would traditionally call “terrorism.” Their actions have been no more violent – and indeed much less violent – than the “pro-democracy” activists in Kiev. In February, the neo-Nazi militias killed more than a dozen police officers with firebombs and light weapons.

‘Pro-Democracy’ Putschists

And, when the “pro-democracy” protesters seized government buildings in Kiev, including the City Hall, they decked them out in Nazi symbols and a Confederate battle flag as the international expression of white supremacy. But the U.S. news media never described those acts as “terrorism.” [For more on the Ukrainian neo-Nazis, watch this report from the BBC.]

Indeed, it is now considered unacceptable to mention the key role played by the neo-Nazis in overthrowing Yanukovych, even though the neo-Nazis themselves are quite proud of what they did and got four government ministries as a reward. One of those positions is the chief of national security, Andriy Parubiy, who announced last week that some of those militias had been incorporated into the National Guard and sent to the front lines of eastern Ukraine.

For their part, those eastern protesters have said they are resisting the imposition of power from Kiev, which has included the appointment of billionaire “oligarchs” as regional administrators, and are rejecting a harsh austerity plan from the International Monetary Fund that will make their hard lives even harder.

Yet, Official Washington has largely banished those realities to the great memory hole. Many in the U.S. government and the mainstream press corps seem to be licking their lips over the prospect of unleashing hell on the eastern Ukrainians.

The preferred U.S. narrative has even edged into the conspiracy theory that Russian President Vladimir Putin somehow engineered the entire Ukraine crisis as part of a Hitler-like plot to reclaim Russian territory lost when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. This theory ignores the absurdity of Putin somehow arranging the protests and coup against Yanukovych.

The reality is that Putin was caught off-guard by the events in Ukraine, in part because he was distracted by the Sochi Olympics and the threat of terrorism against the games. As the Ukraine crisis deepened, Putin supported the Feb. 21 agreement, brokered by three European countries, that had Yanukovych agree to limit his powers, move up an election to vote him out of office and, most fatefully, pull back the police.

The police withdrawal opened the way for the neo-Nazi militias, well-organized in 100-man brigades and well-armed with weapons looted from government stockpiles, to launch the final Feb. 22 assault.

Instead of standing behind the Feb. 21 agreement, the United States and the European Union hailed the overthrow of Yanukovych and – after recognizing that the neo-Nazis were in effective control of Kiev – supported the quick formation of a new government, headed by U.S. favorite, the new Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

Rather than some mastermind planning everything in advance, Putin reacted to the fast-moving crisis on the fly, adlibbing his response, including responding to the majority will of Crimea to bail out of this failed Ukrainian state and rejoin Russia. He also got approval from the Russian legislature to defend ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine if necessary.

Yet, rather than assess these events objectively, the U.S. government and the mainstream U.S. news media have slid into a neo-Cold War madness, which may be sated only by the blood of the eastern Ukrainian “terrorists.” That, however, could force Putin’s hand again and take this unnecessary crisis to a whole new level.

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+35 # jdd 2014-04-23 17:11
I don't think Russia will tolerate a massacre. If right sector moves to do so, the Russian army will step in.
 
 
-1 # tgemberl 2014-04-23 18:34
Yes, I think you're right. I think Parry is more alarmist than he should be. The Ukrainians have to know they would not get Western military support if Russia intervened.

Another problem with this article is that any movement, even the Occupy Wall Street movement, will attract some unsavory elements. Popular movements don't have any way to control who gets involved. Are we going to say that Occupy Wall Street was totally invalid because some people broke shop windows and fought with the police? Because some of the Occupy camps were unsanitary?

The only issue is what the Ukrainian people want. It may be that more parts of the Ukraine will have to split off, but in the end, the Ukrainian people should have self-determinat ion.

I read a comment by a Ukrainian of Russian descent who said there was no evidence of Ukrainians oppressing Russians. Some Russians would be happy to be citizens of the Ukraine.

One other problem. A site that Parry links to says the US gave the Ukraine $5 billion. It's true Nuland said that, but one thing people like Parry never mention is she said "since 1991." That puts the money in better perspective. If she'd said, "this year we gave them $5 billion," it would be more suspicious.
 
 
+41 # Gooshlem 2014-04-23 17:46
It's hard to understand why our government would embrace the overthrow of a democratically elected government. But it's not the first time!
 
 
+9 # Johnny 2014-04-24 08:27
Quoting Gooshlem:
It's hard to understand why our government would embrace the overthrow of a democratically elected government. But it's not the first time!

Not at all hard to understand. Our government is itself a plutocracy run by an international oligarchy. Democracy is the last thing the U.S. government is interested in--at home or abroad.
 
 
+6 # dandevries 2014-04-25 14:33
In fact, the USA has done it many times in my lifetime. Iran, Chile, Nicaragua, Greece, Vietnam, the list goes on . . .
 
 
+4 # Nominae 2014-04-26 02:53
Quoting Gooshlem:
It's hard to understand why our government would embrace the overthrow of a democratically elected government. But it's not the first time!


Not at all hard to understand. It is easily explained (and proven) by two words. "Shale Gas"(in the Ukraine).

The rest is smoke and mirrors.

This is simply our M.O.

Either take advantage of a crisis (not this case) or *create* a crisis (bingo !) and then use the terror and confusion to set up the puppet government and ram through legislation that the public would *never* allow during a non-crisis time period.

This is also why (and how)for the U.S., as you observe above,".... it's not the first time!"

Nor, in the immediate future, will it be the LAST time.

Great eyeopener: "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein. This M.O. is surprisingly old, having been born and nurtured since
at least the early 1950s.
 
 
+4 # jojo5056 2014-04-23 18:33
It is all about a certain religious rabid group that wants to punish Russia--even if millions die
:^(
 
 
+4 # Activista 2014-04-23 19:20
interim president, said Fesenko. Turchynov’s (Ukraine president faith) — he leads a church called Slovo Zhizni, or “Word of Life” — may be an asset that separates him from the East-West division in the country. But it could become a handicap if the tide of opinion turns against him, too. There are an estimated 135,000 Baptists in the Ukraine out of 45 million people." re Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov is baptist - religion imported to Ukraine from USA
 
 
+13 # geraldom 2014-04-23 22:23
It's too bad you missed the hour-long interview between Thom Hartmann and Professor Stephen Cohen today on the Thom Hartmann Program. It was only supposed to last a half-hour, but things got real interesting and Thom Hartmann asked Stephen Cohen if he could hang around for the rest of the hour.

According to Professor Cohen, one of the two main reasons why Russia will forcibly intercede in both Georgia and in Ukraine is that it will not tolerate Georgia or Ukraine joining NATO for obvious reasons.

The trade agreement that Ukraine would have had to sign in order to join the EU as a trade partner would have required Ukraine to join NATO. It was part of the contract.

One of the more disturbing things that Professor Cohen stated was that if Russia is forced to intercede militarily in eastern Ukraine because, let's say, Kiev goes all out militarily in attacking eastern cities that have been taken over by pro-Russian separatists, he believes that the U.S. and NATO will immediately send in military forces into western Ukraine, at which point the risk of a hot war between Russia and the United States goes up exponentially.

Plus, Professor Cohen indicated the most disturbing thing of all, something that I've known for a long time. If a hot war between Russia and the U.S. does happen and Russia feels that it's losing, it will use tactical nukes against U.S. and NATO forces which will almost certainly escalate to ICBM launches between both countries.
 
 
+11 # Activista 2014-04-23 22:59
I respect Professor Cohen analysis - but as Ukraine goes:
NATO - will not go to Ukraine ... it is just the show ..
Russia will not go to Ukraine ... it knows that trade/economy is more important than military ..
Turchynov new “anti-terrorist ” operation against separatists holding a string of eastern towns ... remember the last one? when most of the soldiers defected? It will be the same .. Ukraine is not Libya.

EU is doing nothing - where are any EU sanctions? EU does not want conflict USA/Neocons/NAT O are being more and more irrelevant.

USA is near economic collapse .. imperium is crumbling
 
 
+4 # RMDC 2014-04-24 05:21
Russia will not need to send its military into Ukraine. There will be votes in Eastern Ukraine and probably the people will vote for greater autonomy from Kiev.

The Kiev government won't last very long. It will be voted out in the elections scheduled for late May, although those probably will be put off for a while. No one in the world believes that these Nazi thugs are capable of running a nation. They are just foot soldiers of the revolutions, pawns of George Soros and the CIA. They will be tossed out like the trash. The Oligarchs will take over Ukraine and milk it like the Oligarchs have milked all of the former USSR.

Eastern Ukraine only needs some protection from the Oligarchs. Western Ukraine and the Kiev regime is bankrupt and no one in the US or Europe is willing to bail them out. Ukraine will be a failed state soon -- failed thanks to Soros and the CIA.
 
 
+9 # geraldom 2014-04-24 08:11
You're assuming that the upcoming elections, whenever they take place and if they take place, will be completely free, fair, and honest.

I have this funny feeling that the United States will be nice enough to supply the illegal government of Ukraine with its wonderful e-voting machines to run the elections, you know, the ones that don't supply any paper confirmations, and the ones where the internal software cannot be verified or validated.
 
 
-1 # Activista 2014-04-24 11:15
I respect and agree with George Soros -
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros
Republican hate him ..
Soros is anti-nazi and anti-communist .. almost the same thing - totalitarian systems ...
 
 
+8 # geraldom 2014-04-24 08:40
I hope that you're right, Activista, that NATO will not send military forces into western Ukraine, and that any forces sent by the Kiev government into eastern Ukraine will refuse to fight against the pro-Russian separatists in that region. I really hope you're right.

I do support Russia sending in its forces, if it becomes absolutely necessary in order to protect the pro-Russian separatists from () attacks by Ukrainian forces sent out by the illegitimate Kiev government.

You forget one thing, Activista, which was also brought up by Professor Stephen Cohen in that interview, and that is political leaders have egos and their reputations to protect that, in the end, can easily override reason and common sense.

The deeper Obama gets involved in this, the much harder it will be for him to back away.
 
 
+4 # Activista 2014-04-23 22:40
True Christian made in USA:
Ukraine’s acting president Oleksandr Turchynov late Tuesday ordered a new “anti-terrorist ” operation against separatists holding a string of eastern towns
Read more: Ukraine rebels brace for new assault - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/ukraine-rebels-brace-for-new-assault-1.576732#ixzz2zm8ji9ok
 
 
+14 # geraldom 2014-04-23 23:24
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stated that it is the United States that is running the show in Kiev. I suspect that it was John Kerry who suggested, before leaving Ukraine, that Kiev send the troops into eastern Ukraine and to see what Russia will do.

I don't know why I get this feeling, but it seems to me that the United States is itching for a war with Russia. It sounds crazy, but what does the U.S. think that Russia will do if Kiev initiates an all out attack on eastern Ukraine? Do nothing?

This is total insanity!!
 
 
+4 # Activista 2014-04-24 01:10
"the United States is itching for a war with Russia" ... USA needs war to distract population from its internal problems.
Military-industrial complex needs markets ..
but at the end neither Obama or Putin will push the button.
Reality is that they backed from Syria (and this was proxy war on Iran .. very big deal ..)
Kiev junta is in Kiev, quite isolated from the rest of Ukraine.
 
 
+4 # geraldom 2014-04-24 08:28
This is truly odd and very funny to me. I found the following article on the web:

http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/does-putin-want-war-10327

http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/does-putin-want-war-10327?page=1

It comes in two parts. I almost fell off my chair. After saying that I felt that the U.S. was itching for a fight with Russia, this article says the opposite.

It was the U.S. that instigated the coup d'etat in Ukraine. It has been the U.S. and its proxy puppet military in Europe, NATO, that have been constantly and unendingly spewing out direct threats against Russia while, at the same time, orchestrating what has been going on in Ukraine and moving more and more U.S./NATO forces and military hardware along the borders of Russia.

I almost wanted to puke after seeing article.
 
 
+4 # Activista 2014-04-24 11:22
Not all USA - but mostly neocons/militar y industry "moving more and more U.S./NATO forces and military hardware"
EU does not want Ukraine .. to open gates to thousands of low wage workers entering labor market (unemployment in EU is quite high).
 
 
+32 # wantrealdemocracy 2014-04-23 18:41
It is unexceptable in the American press to mention that the people who made the elected leader of Ukraine to flee Kiev in fear for his life, were neo Nazis. These far right terrorists are armed and funded by the United States.

Your tax dollars at work.
 
 
+1 # grandma lynn 2014-04-23 21:37
Source? for the armed-and-funde d statement?
 
 
-1 # Activista 2014-04-23 23:03
Biden pledges support for Ukraine as east edges closer to ...
www.theguardian.com › News › World news › Ukraine‎
The Guardian
1 day ago - Link to video: Joe Biden pledges support to Ukraine and issues warning to Russia ... Biden has pledged US support - and funds - for Ukraine as anti-Kiev ... Klitschko also called on the US to help equip the Ukrainian military, ...
 
 
+3 # Anonymot 2014-04-23 23:14
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/23237-ukraines-neo-nazi-imperative
 
 
+1 # Sedan80 2014-04-24 03:13
anna-news.com
 
 
+2 # RMDC 2014-04-24 05:30
Just check out the CIA front organizations working in Ukraine -- NED, International Republican Institute, USAID and a dozen more. You can see on their websites. Assistant Sec. of State Victoria Nuland said the US has spent $5 billion in Ukraine since the 2004 Orange Revolution.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37599.htm


The CIA also works through revolution consultants like OTPOR and CANVAS. Look at their websites.

George Soros is also a huge funder of the Nazis in Ukraine. He has created about 20 "civil society" organizations that are really anti-Russia societies and pro-Nazi/oligar ch societies.

See this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpXbA6yZY-8

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/17843-george-soros-s-giant-globalist-footprint-in-ukraine-s-turmoil
 
 
+3 # Activista 2014-04-24 11:28
"Victoria Nuland said the US has spent $5 billion in Ukraine since the 2004 Orange Revolution. "
OR
"Nuland acknowledged that American had “invested” $5 billion in Ukraine since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991."
 
 
+1 # Johnny 2014-04-24 08:34
Quoting grandma lynn:
Source? for the armed-and-funded statement?

Grandma, have you had your head buried in the sand for the last two months? Google "Victoria Nuland".
 
 
+1 # A2900 2014-04-23 23:13
The election of Yanukovich was famously corrupt -- as many of Ukraine's elections have been in the past. It is folly to mourn the loss of that "elected leader of Ukraine [who fled] in fear for his life."

The famous corruption of Ukraine is one of the major problems which have to rectified if the country is to emerge from the failed-state status in which it found itself and become a functioning member of the EU.
 
 
+3 # Activista 2014-04-24 01:15
"country is to emerge from the failed-state status in which it found itself and become a functioning member of the EU"
EU does not want Ukraine .. Ukraine workers are all over EU working for nothing, like Mexicans here ... BTW I like Mexican people
 
 
+2 # RMDC 2014-04-24 05:23
Right -- People in the US just don't know their government supported the Nazi side in this, and in all the revolution in Easter Europe since 1991. With the Nazis come the Oligarchs and a deep and vicious hatred of communism and Russia.
 
 
+4 # Activista 2014-04-24 11:33
Quoting RMDC:
Right -- People in the US just don't know their government supported the Nazi side in this, and in all the revolution in Easter Europe since 1991. With the Nazis come the Oligarchs and a deep and vicious hatred of communism and Russia.

hatred of communism is due to CCCP imperialism - ask Hungarians killed in 1956 - Nazis and Communists are totalitarian ...
 
 
+3 # tgemberl 2014-04-24 18:33
Activista,
I appreciate your effort to evaluate things carefully. It seems there is an awful lot of jumping to conclusions without much care on this site.
 
 
+2 # Activista 2014-04-23 22:39
Ukraine rebels brace for new assault
New Straits Times ‎- 19 hours ago
SLAVYANSK, Ukraine: Pro-Kremlin rebels in Ukraine braced today ... to liquidate all the groups currently operating in Kramatorsk, Slavyansk ...

"Deputy Prime Minister Vitaly Yarema said security forces had been activated "to liquidate all the groups currently operating in Kramatorsk, Slavyansk and the other towns in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions," according to the Interfax Ukraine news agency" after Biden visited Kiev ...
security forces had been activated to liquidate .... their own citizens?
 
 
+8 # TomThumb 2014-04-23 23:03
US population, kept in the dark and fed BS by their political masters. However this time their ignorance and trigger happy ways could lead to nuclear Armageddon. Is it just me, or does it appear to anyone else that the US government actually wants nuclear war. It was obvious during the Cold War that the govnmt did not care one whit about the nuclear annihilation of its population. Tommy Rimes
 
 
-9 # A2900 2014-04-23 23:09
Interesting column but a bit oversold, it seems. If one checks out the links offered by Parry, they don't totally support his thesis -- and if one follows the links from THOSE links, the thesis is further weakened.

I place considerably greater faith in the reporting of the likes of Nickolas Kristof and Thomas Friedman -- their analyses rely on facts from direct reporting, and are not as hysterical and insistent on extremist language as Parry's is. Check them out and compare. I think you'll find that there is a serious problem with what is happening in Ukraine, that the photos are of mixed quality (not just poor quality) and other biometric technologies are being utilized for identifying individuals, and that, while the US is not totally innocent, Russia's behavior borders on the neo-imperialism of which it is accused.
 
 
+12 # Anonymot 2014-04-23 23:18
If you place any faith in the drivel Kristof & especially Tom Friedman have been putting out you are really being mislead by the smoke & mirrors. Friedman's article of yesterday is a disgrace to any form of journalism. Read the comments in the NYT.
 
 
-1 # beachboy 2014-04-23 23:20
Dear Mr. Parry,
The overthrow of Yanukovich was driven by the population as a whole, far from being just a neo-Nazi action. Right wing groups used the occasion to apply force, and were instrumental in the last phase of the Maidan revolution, resulting in Yanukovich fleeing. But your negation of the incredible efforts of very mainstream Ukrainians against the corrupt and super rich Yanukovich, is unforgivable. I say this from a European media perspective in Germany, which leaves a lot to be desired, but your emphasis on just neo-Nazis is not correct. I also heard several Ukrainians in person to say this. Putin is very much pulling the strings in Ukraine. He actually admitted finally that the 'little green men' in the Crimea were Russians! And your idea of a 'free election' under Russian guns in the Crimea is laughable! (96% in any election result speaks for itself anyway!)
The pro-Russian forces in the eastern Ukraine are a very small minority, currently using the instability of the Ukraine, with Putin steadily pushing his invasive cause. One point, though, I will give you: The US government interferes and lies so much, that no Ukrainian with true democratic intent can move in any direction. The people there will have very hard times ahead, partially because the US cannot keep its bloody fingers out of sovereign states - after all: they must control the markets. Damn the US governing elites, as well as the Russian Putins!
 
 
+8 # RMDC 2014-04-24 05:34
beachboy, you are wrong about Yanukovitch. He was elected by a substantial majority of the people of Ukraine only 8 months before he was driven out. It was the minority parties who lost the election which did most of the organizing of the protests.

When you say 'corrupt and super rich" Yanukovitch you are just repeating US mainstream media. He was not. The corruption was his predecessor Yulia Timofeevna who was actually convicted and put in jail for corruption. Yanukovitch was actually a reformer and was trying to clearn up Ukriane. That is why the oligarchs teamed up with the Nazis to get him.

US propaganda just tells this story in the standard issue third world narrative -- corrupt leader pushed out by democratic loving people. You are buying that. I say it is a total lie.
 
 
+13 # janie1893 2014-04-24 00:46
and thus we are 1 second closer to midnight on the nuclear annihilation clock.
 
 
+7 # Phlippinout 2014-04-24 08:10
Who will our government want us to hate next month? Lets see, hate the immigrants, hate the Muslims, hate the Russians, hate any one who disagrees, wow, what a useless government it really is! Hey government, thanks for all the hate and war!
 
 
+3 # bmiluski 2014-04-24 08:59
Dear Sweet Jesus people. Have ANY of you talked to actual Ukranians? TALK TO THEM........THE Y DO NOT WANT TO BE PART OF THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE!!!!!
Why haven't you heard more from them. Talk to them and you'll find out that they are afraid to go up against the "Russian Freedom Fighters". They fear that they will be beaten and/or shot.
Hundreds of Ukranians demonstrated outside of the Russian embassy in NYC.
Have you seen the spokesperson for the "revolutionarie s" that have taken over government buildings. The guy is in his 50's. These are not idealistic students. These are trained para-military thugs sent over by Putin.
I know, I know, you people are going to give me thumbs down. But people, I had to say something.
I keep reading your posts and all I can see is the mirror image of the neo-cons who automatically say black when the libs say white.
 
 
+8 # dsepeczi 2014-04-24 09:43
Quoting bmiluski:
Dear Sweet Jesus people. Have ANY of you talked to actual Ukranians? TALK TO THEM........THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE PART OF THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE!!!!!
Why haven't you heard more from them. Talk to them and you'll find out that they are afraid to go up against the "Russian Freedom Fighters". They fear that they will be beaten and/or shot.
Hundreds of Ukranians demonstrated outside of the Russian embassy in NYC.
Have you seen the spokesperson for the "revolutionaries" that have taken over government buildings. The guy is in his 50's. These are not idealistic students. These are trained para-military thugs sent over by Putin.
I know, I know, you people are going to give me thumbs down. But people, I had to say something.
I keep reading your posts and all I can see is the mirror image of the neo-cons who automatically say black when the libs say white.


How many Ukranians have you talked to ? Do they represent all Ukrainians ? To be fair, from all accounts that I've read, there is a substantial amount of Ukrainians that really don't want to be part of Russia but there is also a substantial amount that do. I would assume that another segment doesn't want any part of Moscow or Kiev. Both sides are prone to hyperbole but there's still not one shred of evidence that Russia is backing any of this. The US involvement in the coup is undeniable so most readers here do favor the stance of Russia protecting it's borders.
 
 
+1 # bmiluski 2014-04-24 10:58
And what is the proof that there was US involvement in the coup in Kiev?
 
 
+8 # dsepeczi 2014-04-24 11:43
Quoting bmiluski:
And what is the proof that there was US involvement in the coup in Kiev?


Your not familiar with Victoria (Fuck the EU) Nuland's taped converation about who to put in power in Ukraine a full month BEFORE Yanukovich was ousted ?
 
 
+6 # Edwina 2014-04-24 10:41
It will be a shame if we get into a "hot war", while pursuing the Cold War. In fact, it will be insane. Neither the Rep's nor Dem's have learned from history. Not even recent history. So unless our politicians are actually insane, we have to ask, "Who benefits?" Is it about upcoming elections, where both parties count on a war with Russia giving "their side" a boost? Is it the interests of military contractors being furthered? Does one more failed country (Ukraine) add to Wall Street's bottom line? Etc. War is not a strategy for the world having a future.
 
 
+4 # bmiluski 2014-04-24 11:00
Edwina......Hav e you not noticed. MEN throughout history have NEVER learned from history. They are little boys playing their little war games no matter their age.
 
 
+4 # Activista 2014-04-24 11:43
"both parties count on a war with Russia giving "their side" a boost"
Anti Russia propaganda brainwashed most of the Americans ... Ukraine crisis is a perfect cover for USA economic disaster ..
And US sanctions (EU is NOT mostly part of it) hurt USA economy more than Russia. The World is moving away from deflated US dollar and US Treasury will be not able to "solve" deficit by printing more dollars.
 
 
-2 # tgemberl 2014-04-24 19:35
Activista,
As I said above, I generally appreciate your careful evaluation of issues. But I want to ask a question about this. You say we're only getting into this Ukraine crisis as a cover for our own failing economy. But Germany's economy isn't failing, and they're concerned about it, too.

Let's face it, the US has been a dominant power in the world for at least 70 years. So we've gotten into almost all global issues to one degree or other. Sometimes we intervened when we shouldn't have, but this doesn't seem like such a situation. Commenters have made a lot of Victoria (?) Nuland's intercepted comments, but I still haven't seen any strong evidence she wasn't just expressing her sympathies with the dissident party. Should we make it a rule that diplomatic personnel not be allowed to have any opinions on the affairs of the countries they work in?
 
 
+4 # Activista 2014-04-26 10:38
" Germany's economy isn't failing, and they're concerned about it, too. "
Germany is much more careful in provoking Russia ... all business between Russia and Russia is as usual.
But as a member of NATO it has to march to the orders from USA.
Merkel and Obama are talking ...
Note that Germany did not participate in bombing of Libya - Libya war: Germans pull forces out of NATO as Libyan ...
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Libya-war-Germans-pull-forces-NAT...‎
Daily Mail
Mar 22, 2011 - Deep divisions between allied forces currently bombing Libya worsened today as the German military announced it was pulling forces out of ..
 
 
0 # tgemberl 2014-04-26 14:39
Activista,
I guess I have to say I really believe there is a cultural difference between the West and Russia. The West is better. Russians have had authoritarian government for centuries. That's a big part of why Leninist communism took hold there, because the Russians had been used to top-down rule.

Do you really believe Putin and Yanukovych are democratic leaders? I don't deny that Yanukovych was really elected. But if he had finished his term, he would've been replaced by his chosen successor as Medvedev was chosen by Putin. Yanukovych would've been the "power behind the throne," as the saying goes.

Sometimes I've noticed people make disparaging comments about George Soros here. Since he's a billionaire, they find it easy to fit him into one of their categories. But Soros has some deep insights. He recognizes that uncertainty is one of the things we must put front and center in our understanding of the world. The Western form of democracy recognizes that. That's why Soros has worked hard against both communism and unregulated capitalism. They are both ideologies that claim to know the future when they don't. He has said that the financial collapse of 2008 was an event of the same historical magnitude as the fall of communism. An ideology of certainty failed.
 
 
0 # tgemberl 2014-04-26 15:59
One more point.

I imagine someone might ask, "so you think it's 'democratic' to overthrow an elected leader?" No, I don't. I think an elected leader should be able to serve his term unless he is constitutionall y impeached. But the Ukraine isn't my country. I can't tell the Ukrainians what to do. But I can sympathize with a faction of the Ukrainians. And I haven't seen any proof that Nuland and Pyatt did any more than that.
 
 
-6 # VeryLastProphet 2014-04-24 12:45
Reminder from March 10, 5 weeks before fake Putin calls eastern Ukrainian resisters to disarm before the neo-nazi mercenaries start bombing civilians, repeating Syria's final solution:
Crimea similar to Kosovo but NOT as impostor impersonating Putin means.
Fake Putin, an illuminati agent, sells the BIG LIE:
the criminal bombing and occupation by NATO of Serbia's heartland is the same as the return of Crimea to whom it always belonged, until 1954's coup using illuminati infiltrator Khrushchev.

Black is white: fake Putin delivering ukrainians including millions of russians to the IV Reich while pretending to protect russians of Crimea is rewritten as "annexation of Crimea".
Traitors makes it possible to deliver the population to the IV Reich, against the will of almost everyone, as illustrated by the current events in Charkov:
neo-Gestapo arresting hundreds of protesters, while illuminati media, from BBC to RussiaToday, serves the broken reecord "Lavrov meets Kerry".

For videos and photos comparing REAL with FAKE Putin:
GOOGLE
VLADIMIR PUTIN, wife, daughters killed and replaced with doubles: Illuminati greatest coup in Armageddon
http://angelic-vladimir-putin.blogspot.com/2014/04/real-putin-vs-current-imposter-photos.html
 
 
+5 # Caliban 2014-04-24 15:11
You forgot to mention that those are undoubtedly Fake Protestors who are being arrested by Fake neo-Gestapo. And who really believes that the real Kerry is meeting the real Lavrov? Sorry, they are both Fake

The Illuminati rule the world! Though maybe they are Fake Illuminati ruling a Fake World.
 
 
+1 # Nominae 2014-04-26 03:12
Quoting Caliban:
You forgot to mention that those are undoubtedly Fake Protestors who are being arrested by Fake neo-Gestapo. And who really believes that the real Kerry is meeting the real Lavrov? Sorry, they are both Fake

The Illuminati rule the world! Though maybe they are Fake Illuminati ruling a Fake World.


"The Sky is Falling ..... The SKY is falling..." - Chicken Little
 

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