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Parry writes: "Since World War II - and extending well into the Twenty-first Century - the United States has invaded or otherwise intervened in so many countries that it would be challenging to compile a complete list. Just last decade, there were full-scale U.S. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, plus American bombing operations from Pakistan to Yemen to Libya."

An armed man alleged to be with Russian forces stands guard in front of surface-to-air missiles in Sevastopol, Ukraine, on March 5. (photo: Drache/AFP/Getty)
An armed man alleged to be with Russian forces stands guard in front of surface-to-air missiles in Sevastopol, Ukraine, on March 5. (photo: Drache/AFP/Getty)


America's Staggering Hypocrisy in Ukraine

By Robert Parry, Consortium Times

05 March 14

 

ince World War II - and extending well into the Twenty-first Century - the United States has invaded or otherwise intervened in so many countries that it would be challenging to compile a complete list. Just last decade, there were full-scale U.S. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, plus American bombing operations from Pakistan to Yemen to Libya.

So, what is one to make of Secretary of State John Kerry's pronouncement that Russia's military intervention in the Crimea section of Ukraine - at the behest of the country's deposed president - is a violation of international law that the United States would never countenance?

Kerry decried the Russian intervention as "a Nineteenth Century act in the Twenty-first Century." However, if memory serves, Sen. Kerry in 2002 voted along with most other members of the U.S. Congress to authorize President George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq in 2003, which was also part of the Twenty-first Century. And, Kerry is a member of the Obama administration, which like its Bush predecessor, has been sending drones into the national territory of other nations to blow up various "enemy combatants."

Are Kerry and pretty much everyone else in Official Washington so lacking in self-awareness that they don't realize that they are condemning actions by Russian President Vladimir Putin that are far less egregious than what they themselves have done?

If Putin is violating international law by sending Russian troops into the Crimea after a violent coup spearheaded by neo-Nazi militias ousted Ukraine's democratically elected president - and after he requested protection for the ethnic Russians living in the country's south and east - then why hasn't the U.S. government turned over George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and indeed John Kerry to the International Criminal Court for their far more criminal invasion of Iraq?

In 2003, when the Bush-Cheney administration dispatched troops halfway around the world to invade Iraq under the false pretense of seizing its non-existent weapons of mass destruction, the U.S. touched off a devastating war that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and left their country a bitterly divided mess. But there has been virtually no accountability.

And, why haven't many of the leading Washington journalists who pimped for those false WMD claims at least been fired from their prestigious jobs, if not also trundled off to The Hague for prosecution as propagandists for aggressive war?

Remarkably, many of these same "journalists" are propagandizing for more U.S. wars today, such as attacks on Syria and Iran, even as they demand harsh penalties for Russia over its intervention in the Crimea, which incidentally was an historic part of Russia dating back centuries.

The WPost's Double Standards

A stunning example of the U.S. media's double standards is the Washington Post's editorial-page editor Fred Hiatt, who pushed for the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 by treating the existence of Iraq's non-existent WMD as "flat fact," not an allegation in dispute. After the U.S. invasion and months of fruitless searching for the promised WMD caches, Hiatt finally acknowledged that the Post should have been more circumspect in its claims about the WMD.

"If you look at the editorials we write running up [to the war], we state as flat fact that he [Saddam Hussein] has weapons of mass destruction," Hiatt said in an interview with the Columbia Journalism Review. "If that's not true, it would have been better not to say it." [CJR, March/April 2004]

Yes, that is a principle of journalism, if something isn't true, we're not supposed to say that it is. Yet, despite the enormous cost in blood and treasure from the Iraq War - and despite the undeniable fact that the U.S. invasion of Iraq was a clear violation of international law - nothing happened to Hiatt. He remains in the same job today, more than a decade later.

His editorials also continue to state dubious points as "flat fact." For instance, the Post's belligerent editorial on Monday, entitled online as "President Obama's foreign policy is based on fantasy," resurfaces the discredited claim that the Syrian government was responsible for a chemical weapons attack outside Damascus on Aug. 21, 2013.

The Post wrote, "Since the Syrian dictator crossed Mr. Obama's red line with a chemical weapons attack that killed 1,400 civilians, the dictator's military and diplomatic position has steadily strengthened."

Note how there is no attribution or doubt expressed regarding either the guilt of the Syrian government or the number of casualties. Just "flat fact." The reality, however, is that the U.S. government assertions blaming the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad for the poison gas attack and the death tally of 1,400 have both crumbled under examination.

The U.S. casualty figure of "1,429" always was regarded as a wild exaggeration, since doctors on the scene cited a much lower death toll of a few hundred, and the Wall Street Journal later reported that the strangely precise number was ascertained by the CIA applying facial recognition software to images of dead bodies posted on YouTube and then subtracting duplicates and those in bloody shrouds.

The problems with this "methodology" were obvious, since there was no way to know the dates when the YouTube videos were taken and the absence of bloody shrouds did not prove that the cause of death was poison gas.

More significantly, the U.S. claims about where the missiles were launched - more than nine kilometers from the impact site - turned out to be false, since expert analysis of the one missile that was found to carry Sarin gas had a maximum range of around two kilometers. That meant that the launch site was within territory controlled by the Syrian opposition, not the government. [See Consortiumnews.com's "The Mistaken Guns of Last August."]

Though it remains unclear which side was to blame for the chemical attack, the Syrian government's guilt surely was not a "slam dunk" anymore than the Iraqi government's possession of WMD in 2003. In such a case - especially on sensitive matters of war or peace - responsible journalists reflect the uncertainty, not simply assert an allegation as "flat fact."

However, since Hiatt was never punished for his earlier journalistic violation - even though it contributed to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, including some 4,500 U.S. soldiers - he is still around to commit the same offenses again, in an even more dangerous context, i.e., a confrontation between the United States and Russia, two nuclear-armed states.

Pushing for a New Cold War

And, what do Hiatt and other neocons at the Washington Post say about confronting the Russians over the Ukraine crisis, which was stoked by neocon holdovers in the U.S. State Department, such as Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, and the U.S.-funded National Endowment for Democracy, which was founded in 1983 to replace the CIA in the business of destabilizing targeted governments? [See Consortiumnews.com's "What Neocons Want from Ukraine Crisis."]

The Post is demanding a new Cold War with Russia in retaliation for its relatively non-violent interventions to protect pro-Russian provinces of two countries that were carved out of the old Soviet Union: Georgia where Russian troops have protected South Ossetia and Abkhazia since 2008 and in Ukraine where Russian soldiers have taken control of Crimea. In both cases, the pro-Russian areas felt threatened from their central governments and sought Moscow's assistance.

In the case of Ukraine, a neo-Nazi-led putsch - representing the interests of the western part of the country - overthrew the democratically elected president, Viktor Yanukovych, who came from the eastern region. Then, under the watchful eye of the neo-Nazi storm troopers in Kiev, a rump parliament voted unanimously or near unanimously to enact a series of draconian laws offensive to the ethnic Russian areas in the east and south.

Having fled Kiev for his life, Yanukovych asked Russia for help, which led to Putin's request to the Russian parliament for the authority to deploy troops inside Ukraine, essentially taking control of Crimea in the south, an area that has been part of Russia for centuries.

Though the Russian case for intervention in both Georgia and Ukraine is much stronger than the excuses often used by the United States to intervene in other countries, the Washington Post was apoplectic about Russia's "violation" of suddenly sacred international law.

The Post wrote, "as long as some leaders play by what Mr. Kerry dismisses as 19th-century rules, the United States can't pretend that the only game is in another arena altogether. Military strength, trustworthiness as an ally, staying power in difficult corners of the world such as Afghanistan — these still matter, much as we might wish they did not."

The Post also laments what it sees as a "receding" tide of democracy around the world, but it is worth noting that the U.S. government has a long and sorry record of overthrowing democratic governments. Just a partial list since World War II would include: Mossadegh in Iran in 1953, Arbenz in Guatemala in 1954, Allende in Chile in 1973, Aristide in Haiti twice, Chavez in Venezuela briefly in 2002, Zelaya in Honduras in 2009, Morsi in Egypt in 2013, and now Yanukovych in Ukraine in 2014. The next target of a U.S.-embraced "democratic" coup looks to be Nicolas Maduro of Venezuela.

Perhaps the closest U.S. parallel to the Russian intervention in Ukraine was President Bill Clinton's decision to invade Haiti in 1994 to reinstall Haiti's elected president Jean-Bertrand Aristide to office, though Russia has not gone nearly that far regarding Yanukovych in Ukraine. Russia has only intervened to prevent the fascist-spearheaded coup regime in Kiev from imposing its will on the country's ethnic Russian provinces.

Also, in the case of Aristide, the U.S. role wasn't as pro-democratic as Clinton's invasion on his behalf might suggest. Clinton ordered the action to reverse a 1991 military coup that ousted President Aristide with the support of President George H.W. Bush. Aristide was deposed a second time in 2004 in a coup partly engineered by the administration of President George W. Bush.

In other words, Clinton's intervention on behalf of a popularly elected leader in Haiti was the anomaly to the more typical U.S. pattern of collaborating with right-wing military officers in the overthrow of elected leaders who don't comply with Washington's wishes.

Thus, the overriding hypocrisy of the Washington Post, Secretary Kerry and indeed nearly all of Official Washington is their insistence that the United States actually promotes the principle of democracy or, for that matter, the rule of international law. Those are at best situational ethics when it comes to advancing U.S. interests around the world.

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+47 # indian weaver 2014-03-05 16:15
The USA's government is fried. It fried itself. It'll get eaten soon enough, or not soon enough actually.
 
 
+27 # mighead 2014-03-05 23:06
No...it's going to go bankrupt first...

There was $4T in the SS fund before Iraq...

Now there's only $2T left...

Conservative estimates are that Iraq cost $1T...

So I believe the other $1T disappeared somewhere in Afghanistan.

There's only $2T left...and we lost the other half in ten years...

So by my calculations... we're bankrupt in the next 10 years.

We're going out 'not with a bang...but a whimper'...
 
 
+39 # brux 2014-03-05 23:27
Why do you think the 1% is arming up and surveilling everyone?
 
 
+16 # wantrealdemocracy 2014-03-06 10:15
The 1%, who have purchased the government of the United States to do their bidding is arming up because they are afraid that there may be a rebellion in this nation---and well there SHOULD be. They are banging the war drums against Russia prior to going to war---and this will not be a 'cold' war. The propaganda will swell over us and urge us to tie yellow ribbons on the trees and support our troops. That is all to get our atteniton off the ecomomic collapse of our nation as the banksters take everything we own as private citizens and what we own through the commonwealth of our nation.

They are arming up our local police forces and the new military forces now deployed to 'protect' the 'homeland' from 'terrorists'. In their definition of a terrorist they include anyone who opposes any action of the capitalist government.

Get ready folks. THere are hard times ahead. We must all do all we can to resist our corrupt government and attempt to change it into a true democracy where the Representatives represent the people and not the corporations. (who they claim are persons deserving Constitutional protections and they rob us blind.)
 
 
+5 # Doubter 2014-03-07 18:24
"Are Kerry and pretty much everyone else in Official Washington so lacking in self-awareness that they don't realize that they are condemning actions by Russian President Vladimir Putin that are far less egregious than what they themselves have done?"

You used the right word "propaganda" in your comment. We are drenched in propaganda, even worse than during declared wars.
 
 
-17 # bmiluski 2014-03-06 10:12
If the USA's government is eaten, where will you go to do all your complaining?
 
 
+48 # sibbaldflats 2014-03-05 20:51
Just imagine the U.S. invading Ukraine, or some other country. They'd shock-and-awe bomb the bejesus out of it, there'd be rivers of blood and ghastly/predict able "collateral damage" - just for starters. And the U.S. media would revel in it. This we know as a proven, "flat fact."
In contrast, the Russians confine Ukrainian soldiers to their barracks and, at worst, shoot over their heads.
Maybe if the Russians stayed in the Crimea long enough, they'd find those pesky, missing Iraqi WMDs.
 
 
+31 # mighead 2014-03-05 23:14
The Crimea is Russia's MAJOR Naval base and their only outlet to the Mediterranean.

I'm trying to imagine what our reaction would be to somebody like Cuba trying to take over our Naval Bases at Guantanamo???!! !

Somehow I doubt we would be shooting over anybody's heads!!!

Besides...when we sent the Neo-Nazi Storm Troopers in to overthrow Ukraine...they CERTAINLY weren't shooting over anybody's head...we just DON'T DO THINGS LIKE THAT!!! We go right for the head...and yes, some of the Storm Troopers DID miss...and DID get the necks...BAD ON THEM...we wouldn't have missed...
 
 
-12 # jsluka 2014-03-06 01:53
I was just wondering - its Russia's only existing base with outlet to the Mediterranean, but a look at the map shows that they have lots of territory with that access (all that coastline north of Georgia) where they could move their base and still retain that access. So, its not so black and white that this is "the only base" the Russians could have with this capacity. They could simply move the naval base, and that would solve the problem. It doesn't HAVE to be in Ukraine, it just happens, for historical reasons, that that is where it currently is.
 
 
+26 # polfrosch 2014-03-06 04:02
Sewastopol is the base providing access to the black sea and the mediterranean.
Tartus in Syria is the russian base in the mediterranean.

Both bases are under heavy shelling from US intelligence operations. As the Maidan market place was. (See my posting below)
Ukraine in NATO would mean more than loosing a base, you agree?

If not, I wonder if you could explain to me why the USA had to invade Grenada. (Ah, to save some US students?) Or why there was a Cuban missile crisis? (Because Castros cigars were violating US environmental laws?)

When I looked at my map I even noticed both islands are not located directly at a US border.

I was just wondering - is your ability to "understand" interests and geostrategy dependent on whose interests you try to understand?

I was just wondering why the telephone call posted below (we talk about 100+ persons being killed by snipers) is NOT headline news in the USA?

I was also wondering - have you ever heard of the term "double standards"?
 
 
+16 # Even 2014-03-06 06:39
Simply move their eight bases in Crimea?

1) Not so simple and really expensive.
2) Why should they?
3) It's not in Ukraine, it's in Crimea.
 
 
-8 # bmiluski 2014-03-06 10:22
The Crimea is part of the Ukraine.
 
 
+8 # Radscal 2014-03-06 14:01
As you may know, Kruschev (an ethnic Ukrainian) gave Crimea to Ukraine in 1954. Prior to that, it had been part of Russia since the 1700s.
 
 
+22 # polfrosch 2014-03-06 02:31
Kiev snipers hired by Maidan leaders - leaked EU's Ashton phone tape
http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/

Listen to this phone conversation between EU foreign minister Asthon and Estonian minister Paet. Now they want to force the genie back into the bottle, but they had to confirm the call.

They have information the snipers killing policemen AND demonstrators in Kiev had orders from the new government.

(A strategy also used in Libya and Syria by Katar special forces. The purpose is to fuel anger and revenge and violence on both sides=terror and use the resulting havoc for regime change. It worked!)

The origin is probably russian signal intelligence.

The NSA and the british GHCQ (world champions in signal intelligence) will have a similar recording, but of course they have neither warned the demonstrators nor have they published it - because the murder inflicted by the snipers led to the result they wanted: the demise of Yanukovych. (Do you really have confidence this is not a combined western intelligence operation?)

Anybody out there who still believes governments don´t kill their own citizens and even their own troops if their death is useful in a grand strategy?

Wake up. The is the truth, and it does not look good. The USA is NOT above this.
 
 
+2 # Radscal 2014-03-06 14:12
I have not heard a word about this revelation in the U.S.corporate media. I have heard even famously "liberal" Rachel Maddow refer to the "crazy" claim by "he lives in a different world" Putin that Ukrainian protesters were "shooting themselves."

This morning, I saw video from Maidan of a "protester" with a military sniper rifle, which the soon-to-be shooter drives off with. That "protester" is now a member of the coup parliament.

Having watched hours of unedited video of the riots in Ukraine, I've seen plenty of examples of some of the "protesters" with firearms, and even shooting police or unknown targets.

However, I have also seen plenty of examples of Kiev riot police shooting at protesters. Now, some of that shooting was clearly "less lethal" riot-control munitions. But, towards the end of the coup, I don't doubt that some police were shooting to kill.
 
 
+3 # polfrosch 2014-03-06 14:31
IMPORTANT

There is now conflicting information to the statements of the female doctor Olga Bogomolets who treated the shot victims on the Maidan.

In an interview with the Daily Telegraph she states, according to the Telegraph, she did not treat soldiers, only protesters. If this is true, she can´t be quoted as a witness the same bullets and method of shots (direct to the heart, arteries or the head)killed protesters and security forces.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10677370/Ukraine-Russia-crisis-live.html

This issue gained importance in Europe, and both sides have an interest in "information management".

This topic needs to be investigated by independent journalists=rea l journalists IN the Ukraine.

Still, I wonder why it has not been reported in the USA?
And the telephone conversation happened, it is confirmed.

We need to know what sources the 2 ministers had - and both try to downplay their conversation now. What they said is obviously far away from the official version.

They can not be considered to tell the full truth in public statements.
 
 
+1 # karenvista 2014-03-06 15:09
Sorry, this duplicate won't delete.

The "snipers" that we want to have Yanukovich tries for mass murder for weren't working for the government:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/ukraine-bugged-call-catherine-ashton-urmas-paet
 
 
+1 # Radscal 2014-03-06 21:45
I've watched many hours of unedited video taken by Ukrainian "protesters." There are quite a few of "protesters" firing firearms of all sorts, including "assault rifles." One was snipers in a hotel room above Maidan Plaza.

On Russia TV, I saw a protester inspect a military sniper rifle before the shooter drove off. That protester is supposedly now a member of the coup parliament.

There are also far more videos of riot police firing on protesters. Clearly, many of them are firing "less lethal" munitions of the sort used for "riot control:" rubber bullets, bean bag shotgun rounds, flash-bang grenades and tear gas.

But, there are clearly police shooting protesters with live ammo near the end of the riots.

Reports are that over 80 people have been shot to death, including 26 police. About that many police are missing. There are many videos of protesters attacking police, including burning them alive, lynching them and in one case, gouging out the eye of one who is clearly alive. Gruesome stuff.

Were protesters in the U.S. to act anything like that, I would expect the police and government response to be far more violent than happened in Ukraine.
 
 
0 # karenvista 2014-03-06 15:12
Quoting mighead:
Besides...when we sent the Neo-Nazi Storm Troopers in to overthrow Ukraine...they CERTAINLY weren't shooting over anybody's head...we just DON'T DO THINGS LIKE THAT!!! We go right for the head...and yes, some of the Storm Troopers DID miss...and DID get the necks...BAD ON THEM...we wouldn't have missed...


There is some wiretapping that implies that the "snipers" weren't working for the government:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/ukraine-bugged-call-catherine-ashton-urmas-paet
 
 
-45 # BobbyLip 2014-03-05 22:43
So the US is hypocritical. What's stunning is that people like Parry actually make a living by tedious restatement of the obvious. What a waste of time!
 
 
+28 # Archie1954 2014-03-06 00:22
No it isn't a waste, not at all. Unfortunately people have to be hit on the head with the truth before they sit up and take notice.
 
 
+15 # Phlippinout 2014-03-06 09:23
Yes Bobby, for people like you its a waste of time. Might I suggest going back to the new York Times for your pleasure reading?
I enjoy any one who points out the disgusting fact of how hypocritical the US government is.
 
 
0 # bmiluski 2014-03-06 10:25
Oh please.......fo r the love of........ Name me one single government that is NOT hypocritical and give me an example of their non-hypocrisy.
Wake up people. Hypocrisy is a human trait. To call one government or another hypocritical is the height of hypocrisy.
 
 
0 # tedrey 2014-03-13 09:49
To call another government hypocritical is standard practice.

To publicly recognize that your own government is hypocritical is far less common and should be encouraged.
 
 
+8 # Radscal 2014-03-06 14:16
If the information Parry wrote was a "tedious restatement" of what the U.S. corporate media is feeding us 24/7, then your comment would be relevant.

However, since the war drums are being pounded ceaselessly with barely a word of balance, and even some readers of RSN and Consortium News have lapped up the MIC propaganda, we need far more voices of reason like Parry.
 
 
+31 # mighead 2014-03-05 22:59
Kudos to Robert Parry...

your articles on Ukraine/Crimea and NED are TERRIFIC...

As I see it: the problem with the media is that NED (National Endowment for Democracy - founded by the CIA)...is EXCEPTIONALLY good at media briefings.

They invite all the lead media to monthly briefings on the topics 'near and dear' to them...thus all the media end up sounding the same. They are all printing the same NED message.

The NED 'topics' for Central and Eastern Europe:
Albania, Belarus, Bosnia-Herzegov ina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Moldova, Serbia, Ukraine.

So NED is ALWAYS busy 'educating' the media on what they want them to believe and say.

To get around this - I'm trying to email key senators and representatives so they don't get caught in these lies.

I'm hoping some of those emails will get read.
 
 
+28 # mighead 2014-03-05 23:00
I sent this email to Harry Reid and Elizabeth Warren:

I'm not sure if I understand the whole Ukraine/Crimea issue correctly...

Let me see if I've got this straight...

The National Endowment for Democracy ran 65 missions in Ukraine? (training, etc?)

Then the Asst Sec'y of State: Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine: Geoffrey Pyatt decided to overthrow the Ukraine government?

Then the Ukrainian people were unarmed and too peaceful to overturn the government so Nuland-Pyatt brought in Neo-Nazi Storm Troopers who started firing and 80 people were killed?

So the Storm Troopers successfully overturned the government.

Then Nuland and Pyatt picked the successor to the Presidency and made him interim Prime Minister?

Did they tell Obama about their plans?

Or were they planning to surprise him???
 
 
-5 # bmiluski 2014-03-06 10:26
Man.......you can't write this stuff.
 
 
+5 # curmudgeon 2014-03-05 23:12
I am still trying to figure out how Obama is going to explain our actions to Bibi.

The Putsch has loosed very real immanent danger to thousands and thousands of Jews who have appealed to Israel for help.

And the US endgendered it .... as in what part of funding went to Maidan to pay the snipers?
 
 
-7 # brux 2014-03-05 23:21
The whole idea of attributing a country with human characteristics like hypocrisy needs to be re-examined.
You just cannot do it ... countries are not people.

All countries would be hypocritical, and of course the
strongest most active countries would be the ones most
called hypocritical despite the reality of whatever they
have done.
 
 
+8 # jsluka 2014-03-06 01:55
Governments may be hypocritical, but whole countries not. When whole groups/nations/ countries are stereotyped this way, this is simple racism.
 
 
+6 # tedrey 2014-03-06 05:15
Then let's reexamine it. It is the members of the successive governments which we "elect" that are hypocrites; it is the editors of the subservient mass media that are hypocrites; those who willingly follow those governments and those media are hypocrites. And those who recognize the hypocrisy but say and do nothing about it are not hypocrites . . . merely cowards. How's that?
 
 
0 # brux 2014-03-13 23:11
I have no idea what you mean or what you are specifically talking about. In this world not things are far from perfect, and standing well back and pointing at it critically doesn't often lead to anything constructive.
 
 
0 # Radscal 2014-03-06 21:49
The whole idea of attributing a building with human characteristics is also absurd.

And yet, I heard today that "The White House" is upset with Putin."
 
 
-29 # brux 2014-03-05 23:23
Just a question to think about ... in regard to hypocrisy though .... should the US do what little it can to wedge countries away from being dominated by Russia considering that Russia is not a human rights nation, democratic, or free? I don't see why people have such a problem with that?

Aren't you, we all trying to do a similar thing here in the US, that is trying to make the US respect and support human rights. We don't like when the US bullies other countries without a reason. But when we do something against Russia the clueless come out to complain.
 
 
+24 # mighead 2014-03-05 23:38
You mean like we helped bring Democracy to Iraq??? and Afghanistan???

Sorry...

Using Neo-Nazi Storm Troopers to overthrow a foreign government is over my red-line...espe cially when many of those people are ethnic Poles, Slovaks, Hungarians and Romanians who ALL know a LOT about Nazi Storm Troopers!!!

And none of what they know is POSITIVE!!!
 
 
-36 # brux 2014-03-05 23:58
All military actions are done by storm troopers ... in case you did not realize it, most police are almost the same --- the "hard men" of society perform a function and exact a price. A price that most of us question or do not like, but a price that is paid one way or another.

Honestly ... tell me you do not think that Iraq is better off after the war than before with Saddam?

How else would you have seen this end?
 
 
+41 # Pikewich 2014-03-06 00:44
Iraq beter off now than before the last war? You must be joking?

Before the sanctions and the 2 wars, Iraq had a stable government. Now it has anarchy.
Before the wars, there were by many counts, 600,000 Iraqi citizens who were not dead yet by violent war related means.
Before the wars, there were over one million Iraqis who had not been forced to flee their country.

Before the wars Iraqi citizens enjoyed clean water, electrical power 24 hours a day, did not have a civil war going on, the women were dressing in western style clothes and attending college.....

Now there is little clean water, electricity 2 hours a day, a civil war and anarchy, and women not only are not attending college, they can not go outside their homes without being accompanied by a male family member.

Hardly an improvement in my estimation.

Yes, Sadam was a bad man, and for many years he was our government's bad man, like when Rummy was over there shaking hands with him over weapons sales.

The Iraqi's would be far better off if they had not had to undergo "shock and awe".
 
 
0 # brux 2014-03-12 01:33
> Before the sanctions and the 2 wars, Iraq had a stable government.

No.
 
 
+11 # WBoardman 2014-03-06 11:17
brux -- you want clueless?

Moving NATO incessantly closer to Russia is clueless.

Also apparently imperialist and arrogant.

And blind to obvious outcomes.

Oh, but that's clueless, isn't it?

Almost as clueless as thinking the United States
has a serious commitment to human rights,
except as a convenience or a wedge issue.
 
 
0 # brux 2014-03-13 23:07
It's not clueless to move NATO closer to Russia ... Russia is a dictatorship where the government murders people. It is cool to push and pressure Russia over time and to disrupt and try to bring down the Putin regime in my opinion.

Not to say the US has not have bad Russian policy, as in after WWII we instigated the Cold War, and we have rebuffed and lost opportunities to help the situation.

You just see in black and white ... try to let a little grey or some color into your life now and then.
 
 
+19 # DaveM 2014-03-05 23:44
I seem to recall a certain unpleasantness which followed the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. We responded by arming Saddam Hussein along with the Taliban--er, Afghan Freedom Fighters. Thank you, Ronald Reagan!
 
 
+5 # WBoardman 2014-03-06 11:19
DaveM --
you really shouldn't give Ronal Reagan credit
that rightly belongs to Zbigniew Brzezinski.... ;-)))
 
 
+26 # PABLO DIABLO 2014-03-05 23:47
Remember, some people make a lot of money off of war. And those people (neocons) have been in our government at least since Reagan. Rumsfeld made 44 million off of Iraq and we have no idea how much W.Bush, Cheney, and their "supporters" made off with. Eleven Billion just "disappeared" from Baghdad. It is always about money.
 
 
+18 # Pikewich 2014-03-06 00:56
US policy ...hipocritical?

Give me a break. This falls right in line with the "American Exceptionalism" that was force fed to us in school, and remains part of the group think (AKA profound denial) most of the inhabitants of these 50 states still believe.

What do you expect from a country that "elects" Michele Bachmann to office?
 
 
+7 # bmiluski 2014-03-06 10:28
I didn't elect Michele Bachmann to office? I also didn't elect gwbush into office. Actually, this country didn't elect him into office. He was "selected" by the supreme court.
 
 
+13 # jdd 2014-03-06 05:43
Have we forgotten Korea and of course, Vietnam, which was occupied by over a million men and cost the lives of 55,000 American and untold millions of Vietnamese. May we add the murder of our beloved president when he decided to turn away from the Cold War and withdraw.
 
 
-13 # Linwood 2014-03-06 06:32
I agree with the article's criticism of US hypocrisy, but engaging in hyperbole, "Neo-nazi storm troopers", "draconian" laws targeting Russians, unfortunately only weaken his argument.
 
 
+5 # Radscal 2014-03-06 14:28
Here's the Ukrainian neo-nazis. If you find "storm trooper" too strong a term, what fits better for people who will gouge the eyes out of a police officer?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Захваченному%20бандеровцами%20беркутовцу%20выкололи%20глаз&sm=3

Here's a 2 minute video made by the Ukrainian "right sector" that sure looks like Nazi propaganda to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7onBw-s3xoM
 
 
+13 # walt 2014-03-06 06:58
Again, right on Robert Parry.

Yes, we all watch as the same old neocons continue to push the USA for more war and military incursions while pretending that we stand the high ground and others do not. One has to wonder how long people will sit idly by and watch as more lives are lost and the tax base is wasted on killing. As stated, we did nothing about the outright lies told to invade Iraq and the same culprits walk free today!

Could it be time for some trials? Or will be simply look the other way?
 
 
+12 # fredboy 2014-03-06 07:43
Yes, it's "HOW DARE THEY INVADE...just like we did."
 
 
+6 # JJMK3 2014-03-06 08:43
GENERAL SMEDLEY, THAT IS THE THE NAME YOU NEED TO GOOGLE, "SMEDLEY BUTLER." MARINE CORP. GENERAL. Tried to tell us " How Business/MONEY WAS TAKING CONTROL ALL OVER THE WORLD; USING OUR ARMIES......." " A Near, Century Later we/THEY; ARE STILL AT IT." THEY NOW OWN THE HIGHEST COURT IN THE LAND, AND BUY AND SELL "every thing there is, EVERYWHERE! Now "THEY , want the Ukraine; PRES. PUTIN WANTS TO KEEP IT OUT OF "THEY'S HANDS." "THEY DON'T LIKE LOSING AND MONEY IS HARD TO BEAT."
 
 
+2 # Lena 2014-03-06 18:40
Russia's treaty with the Ukraine allows Russia to send up to 25,000 troops into Crimea in case of unrest to protect their citizens and interests. They sent 16,000. There is no invasion here... It is like saying that US invaded Germany because there is 30,000 US troops in Germany.
 
 
+1 # BKnowswhitt 2014-03-06 20:26
Once again it's all about the Oil er' Natural Gas ... er and all the right wing and neoconical gas bags are at it again .. with regard to US and Russian 'interests' in the Ukraine ...
 
 
+1 # ahollman 2014-03-07 01:18
There are no heroes here, only villains and victims. Who is villain and who is a victim changes, some people are both at once.

Like the mid-east, there are multiple divisions, of ethnicity and language (Ukranian, Russian and Tatar, just to start), of religion (Russian Orthodox, Catholic).

The brutality among these peoples is comparable to anything the US has done, and arguably worse. Both Russsians and Ukranians are vicious anti-Semites; one role of the Cossacks was to institute pogroms. In the 1920's, Lenin killed 6 million land-owning Ukranian peasants through starvation in order to confiscate their land.

As badly as we treated 100,000 Japanese-Americ ans during WW2, that does not compare to Stalin's taking 3 days to deport 250,000 Tatars, herding them into boxcars and dumping them into Kazakhstan in midwinter. Roughly half of them died. They were a fraction of the 20 million Soviet citizens Hitler and Stalin killed during WW2.

Whatever meddling the US and the Brits may have done (quite possible, but I'm waiting for better substantiation and more context) exploits long-standing divisions. That's quite different from manufacturing them from scratch.

What's different now is a 24/7 news cycle, worldwide digital media, citizen reporting, and leakers that is making "government secrecy" oxymoronic.

No heroes here. Don't pick your villains quickly, lest you too, like the masses of Orwell's 1984, have to change your cries of "Oceania" to "Eurasia" in mid-sentence.
 
 
+2 # Texas Aggie 2014-03-07 01:31
The repubs have been devoting themselves to blaming Obama for the Russian invasion of the Ukraine, first with Benghazi and now with an essay that Obama wrote in his first year at Columbia. Lindsey was responsible for the first and McCain was responsible for the second.

Someone should inform them that Putin himself is using Bush's invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan under false pretenses as his model. If they want to blame someone in the US for the invasion, they need look no further than the Dick and the Shrub.
 
 
+2 # boomerjim 2014-03-07 17:04
Yes, the US has done all that. But that does not excuse Russia's doing the exact same thing "in its so-called back yard." Long-term naval base in Sevastopol? Think long-term (and more-recent) U.S. bases all over the world particularly in Latin America. So, yeah, many American leaders and media spokespersons are hypocrites, and so is Putin.
I agree with ahollman: much of the shouting is between Oceania and Eurasia. But the victims are many Ukrainians; many more than the neo-Nazis who were part of the revolution.
And by all means, let's send American war criminals for international prosecution -- if only it could happen.
 
 
0 # kaspi27 2014-03-08 13:24
http://journal-neo.org/2014/03/08/double-standard-two-presidents-no-logic/

Much can be learned from Ukraine and what not to do based on what has transpired in Georgia. How is all of this going to end? A dividend Ukraine or will Ukraine take back its country and find a compromise. I get the impression this is an exit strategic for the cock ups in other parts of the world and to advance into Ukraine is to get people's minds off what has gone wrong elsewhere. Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria.
 
 
0 # elizabethblock 2014-03-08 14:44
I understand that Crimea was in fact part of Russia until 1954, when Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine -- never dreaming, I'm sure, that Ukraine would ever be an independent country.
And it's as close to Russia as Cuba is to the US. Closer, in fact. (And look what we did, and are still doing, to Cuba.) And a lot closer than Venezuela, not to mention Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan.... ...
 

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