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Moore writes: "Manning now faces a potential maximum sentence of 136 years in jail. When his sentence is announced tomorrow, we'll all get a good idea of how seriously the U.S. military takes different crimes."

Bradley Manning. (photo: Brendan Smialowski/Getty Images)
Bradley Manning. (photo: Brendan Smialowski/Getty Images)


What Bradley Manning's Sentence Will Tell Us

By Michael Moore, Open Mike Blog

31 July 13

 

oday Bradley Manning was convicted on 20 of 22 counts, including violating the Espionage Act, releasing classified information and disobeying orders. That's the bad news. The good news is he was found not guilty on the charge of "aiding the enemy." That's 'cause who he was aiding was us, the American people. And we're not the enemy. Right?

Manning now faces a potential maximum sentence of 136 years in jail. When his sentence is announced tomorrow, we'll all get a good idea of how seriously the U.S. military takes different crimes. When you hear about how long Manning - now 25 years old - will be in prison, compare it to sentences received by other soldiers:

Col. Thomas M. Pappas, the senior military intelligence officer at Abu Ghraib and the senior officer present the night of the murder of Iraqi prisoner Manadel al-Jamadi, received no jail time. But he was reprimanded and fined $8,000. (Pappas was heard to say about al-Jamadi, "I'm not going down for this alone.")

Sgt. Sabrina Harman, the woman famously seen giving a thumbs-up next to al-Jamadi's body and in another photo smiling next to naked, hooded Iraqis stacked on each other in Abu Ghraib, was sentenced to six months for maltreating detainees.

Spec. Armin Cruz was sentenced to eight months for abusing Iraqis at Abu Ghraib and covering up the abuse.

Spc. Steven Ribordy was sentenced to eight months for being accessory to the murder of four Iraqi prisoners who were "bound, blindfolded, shot and dumped in a canal" in Baghdad in 2007.

Spc. Belmor Ramos was sentenced to seven months for conspiracy to commit murder in the same case.

Sgt. Michael Leahy Jr. was sentenced to life in prison for committing the four Baghdad murders. The military then granted him clemency and reduced his sentence to 20 years, with parole possible after seven.

Marine Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich received no jail time for negligent dereliction in the massacre of 24 unarmed men, women and children in 2005 in the Iraqi town of Haditha. Seven other members of his battalion were charged but none were punished in any way.

Marine Lance Cpl. Jerry Shumate and Lance Cpl. Tyler Jackson were both sentenced to 21 months for the aggravated assault of Hashim Ibrahim Awad, 52, a father of 11 and grandfather of four, in Al Hamdania in 2006. Awad died after being shot during the assault. Their sentences were later reduced.

Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Pennington was sentenced to eight years for the same incident, but served only a few months before being granted clemency and released from prison.

Marine Sgt. Lawrence G. Hutchins III was sentenced to 15 years for murder in the Awad case but his conviction was soon overturned and he was released.

No soldiers received any punishment for the killing of five Iraqi children, four women and two men in one Ishaqi home in 2006. Among the U.S. diplomatic cables leaked by Bradley Manning was email from a UN official stating that U.S. soldiers had "executed all of them." When Wikileaks published the cable, the uproar in Iraq was so big that the Nouri al-Maliki government couldn't grant any remaining U.S. troops immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts, thus forcing the Obama administration to abandon its plans to keep several thousand U.S. soldiers in Iraq permanently. All U.S. troops were removed at the end of 2011.

My guess is Bradley Manning will spend more time in jail than all of the other soldiers in all of these cases put together. And thus, instead of redeeming ourselves and asking forgiveness for the crimes that Spc. Manning exposed, we will reaffirm to the world who we really are.

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+199 # Eliz77 2013-07-31 09:26
Manning is a brilliant citizen of the United States. He swore to protect the country and the Constitution. The US has signed treaties in agreement with the Nuremburg trials and the Geneva Convention which therefore are the law of the land. He did that very thoughtfully and carefully after approaching the chain of command with his concerns. They ignored him and treated the information he brought them as not important. He thought the people, you and I, should know what was being done with our tax money and in our name. I am glad he was not charged with aiding the enemy, but all charges should be dropped and he should be honored for his service.
 
 
+39 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-31 10:23
There is a book in print and has been for decades, "The Ugly American." Interesting how Bush and Cheney escaped from war crimes. Manning is the beautiful American. Nothing ugly about him. And bush settles in to his ranch in a foreign country while Cheney may go on another hunting trip. May shoot someone else in the face (he shot us all in the face) and falls asleep dreaming about and counting his war crimes $.
 
 
+50 # dickbd 2013-07-31 13:08
I think it's a sham and that the Espionage Act should be repealed. However, the corporate media have done their work. At my gym this morning, a close friend who is a brilliant doctor was railing about the iniquities of Manning and all the harm he had done. The media actually have people thinking that Manning has gotten our troops killed and torpedoed our foreign policy.

You guys don't know what an area of enlightenment this is! The general public, including educated, smart people, are being completely bamboozled.

Just yesterday, I saw a report on TV that Manning had released a report showing a helicopter gunning down "insurgents." Well, they were civilians! And children!
 
 
+33 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 01:18
I saw that Manning-release d helicopter-made video of our US troops shooting the Reuters photographers and people with them. Their cameras were called weapons. The helicopter-made video did not show furtive soldiers doing their soldier-thing in the shadows of protective buildings. The people on the ground were walking out in full sight in the street, walking along, talking, no suspicious activity. When a civilian van came along to rescue one gunned-down, not-dead, crawling survivor after the begging soldiers in the helicopter (our U.S. soldiers) got permission to shoot - the van was the new focus. Permission was again given after soldiers begged to shoot it. They shot it so much the van was hopping around as if a tin can at a homemade target practice. Children in the van were shot too. Our crass helicopter soldiers commented it was the children's father's fault - "bringing them into war." It makes me sick. We brought the war to them, all these years. My grandson here is 10 years old. Bush and Cheney started the war on Iraq the day after my grandson was born. That father didn't bring his children into the war. We brought him and his children into the war. It makes me sick. I salute Bradley Manning. He cared. I care. We all should care.

Bradley Manning is a true hero.
 
 
+1 # AMLLLLL 2013-08-04 12:38
I would love to see an interview with the shooter now. Would he be Zimmerman-like in his lack of remorse?
 
 
+25 # whistleblowerdr 2013-07-31 09:52
The powers that be do not understand whistleblowers.  They can NOT be silenced.  They just pay a higher price for speaking the truth.  Notice the recent long list of National Security whistleblowers.  Obama should read the Old Testament about prophets and see what he is up against in trying to silence them. He and other administration officials should convene a meeting to bring in all concerned and see whether more protection of whistleblowers would give them an internal option.  Now the courts have forced them to use the press to attempt to expose waste, fraud, and abuse of power. However, since the Bill Bush case federal employees do not have "freedom of speech."  The internal and external routes lead nowhere but to firing and to possible jail time.
 
 
+2 # alan17b0 2013-07-31 10:31
I think that Michael Moore
is a bit tough on
Sabrina Harman. It was she
who took all the pictures,
and played a large part in
getting them released to the
world. I would place her
alongside Manning, Snowden,
and the other whistle-blowers
we all admire.

Alan McConnell, in Silver
Spring MD
 
 
+2 # Merschrod 2013-07-31 17:27
Interesting take on Sabrine - bordering on being a whistle blower?
 
 
+5 # RLF 2013-08-01 05:30
Sabrina took the pictures as war time 'souvenirs'.
 
 
+31 # angelfish 2013-07-31 10:45
Thank you Michael. You so eloquently state the most horrible truths about EXACTLY what this Country has become, in my opinion, starting with the Reagan Administration to the present. We USED to stand for Honor, Truth and Justice. They have all gotten lost over the past forty years. They WILL, most probably, throw the book, if not the WHOLE Library, at Bradley Manning because HE is their Scape-goat. He is the Patsy and the Fall-guy for ALL of THEIR failings! This is OUR shame and burden, too. I hope the Powers that be realize that no matter WHAT they decide in punishing this VERY Brave, young man, NO ONE gets off scot-free, not even THEM!
 
 
+14 # Kathymoi 2013-07-31 16:42
what about the helicopter pilot seen in the video Collateral murder? Didn't he get off scot free?
 
 
+26 # Akeel1701 2013-07-31 10:48
It seems to me that, in a nutshell the US military Government is saying: "We can do whatever the hell we like and YOU cannae do anything to stop us..."
 
 
+26 # giraffee2012 2013-07-31 10:57
Well - I hope that President Obama "pardons" Manning - Look who past presidents pardoned (for crimes worse than Mannings' alleged crimes) and look at the bansters who have crippled so many people by "STEALING" their homes, life savings, and other assets (who are, BTW, still breaking the laws),

So we have people to prosecute whistle blowers but none to prosecute criminals that make Al Capone look like a pick pocket in comparison....

Shame on our government and especially the military who cannot even control the rapists that are known within their military complex.

What next? Well, when all there is to watch is OLieLee on Faux - then we'll have stepped back in time to 1933 with the beginning of the 3rd Reich - ala we will be known as the 4th ....

G-od help (not bless) America. But it is known that g-d only helps those who help themselves.
So keep on electing these hoodlums to govern us --- or get rid of the RATS that allow big$$ to elect and control our government.
 
 
+10 # Merschrod 2013-07-31 17:30
That is wishful thinking all right. Let's watch the goof balls that Obama pardons on his way out the revolving door. He has turned out to be a sorry case on a par with the Shrub who initiated much of what Obama has implemented and fine tuned.
 
 
+8 # RLF 2013-08-01 05:32
Obama and Holder only pardon Banksters and Wall streeters.
 
 
-64 # db4635 2013-07-31 10:58
Moore is comparing apples to oranges. If we excuse Manning's disclosure, how can we prosecute the next person who discloses classified informtion that directly leads to death of Americans? Manning downloaded everything he could get his hands on with no discretion and handed it over to a guy accused of rape. Manning is no hero. Read the reports. He was an unhappy, immature guy, harassed for being gay and he set out to get even. If Manning was acting out of conscience he would have taken specific info, e.g., the massacre including jouralists, directly to the Commander in Chief.
 
 
+38 # Kathymoi 2013-07-31 16:46
He was found innocent of aiding the enemy, and his disclosures did not lead to deaths of any Americans.
It came out in his defense that he took his info to his supervisors first, with no result.
It sounds as if you haven't done much homework.
 
 
+33 # reiverpacific 2013-07-31 17:03
Quoting db4635:
Moore is comparing apples to oranges. If we excuse Manning's disclosure, how can we prosecute the next person who discloses classified informtion that directly leads to death of Americans? Manning downloaded everything he could get his hands on with no discretion and handed it over to a guy accused of rape. Manning is no hero. Read the reports. He was an unhappy, immature guy, harassed for being gay and he set out to get even. If Manning was acting out of conscience he would have taken specific info, e.g., the massacre including jouralists, directly to the Commander in Chief.

Bullshit!
There was an Iraqi 'exiled" (by the war) lady on "Flashpoints" who is actively campaigning for Manning's acquittal, sharing how she has suffered the consequences of a war (based on a conspiracy of lies) which whistle blowers like he and others could have avoided.
The "Death of Americans" was caused by a cabal disguised as an administration of cowards, draft-dodgers, chicken hawks and criminals in concert far outnumbering the 9-11 attacks which warnings they hubristically ignored.
Manning was a young intelligent, well adjusted man who joined the military for the false patriotic reasons no doubt held out to him and became disillusioned at the true nature of what he was seeing and discovering.
You must read the reports of Fox and the right-wing media, which is exactly what your word echo.
You seem like fink to me and way behind the times.
 
 
+10 # RLF 2013-08-01 05:34
NPR is throwing this trash around too. So sad to see NPR become such a washington insider bullshit artist.
 
 
+20 # Douglas Jack 2013-07-31 17:13
db4635, Study the file closer, using resources such as RSN's many articles or Free Bradley Manning http://www.bradleymanning.org/ Every question has been asked & responded to on these sites, so be diligent about your search. 1st you must study national & international law which governs soldier duty: Geneva Convention, Nuremberg Principles, Law of Necessity, US Constitution, USMJ & other cornerstones of law to understand that in an army of a few millions, only Bradley Manning was following orders diligently according to the law. If you ever want a point-by-point equal-time recorded & published debate, I'll be glad to go over the errors of law & human judgement, which you have made in detail. Afterwards, I will expect you to write a letter of apology to PVT Bradley Manning & your nation as well as to devote your resources to good cause. Here is a process of debate which I use. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/structure/both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues
 
 
+10 # Kootenay Coyote 2013-07-31 19:51
So what's your position on Rove's outing of Valerie Plame?
 
 
+9 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 01:24
I'd ask db4635 also if he is a fan of Oliver North. I'll bet he is. He's on the wrong side of "right and wrong."
 
 
+7 # RLF 2013-08-01 05:35
Excellent!
 
 
+9 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-31 23:30
TO:#db4635 I quote you, "and handed it over to a guy accused of rape." That is right, an accusation. He is accused of rape. But, by whom? The "alledged rape" I think is just that. If the original charge will not stick to extridite, get him extridited on an allegded rape charge. Can you please send me a copy of any previous dated posts you have made on RSN about Cheney and Bush not being charged for war crimes? Had it not been for war criminals like Bush and Cheney, what the hell was there to leak information about?
The "big turds" got away and the brave Manning got "caught" reporting on what the big turds ilegally and immorally did.
 
 
+7 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 01:22
You sound as close in to the crimes as anyone might get. Are you in the military and defending yourself? Manning is a hero.
 
 
+2 # giraffee2012 2013-08-02 17:10
db46 - You obviously get your information from O'liely and others on FAUX - and thus your credibility in your post is pure horse poop.

Take a right turn and read the facts. Better yet - don't post a sentence UNLESS you can back it with facts.

If I want to read or hear your rhetoric I "could" turn on FAUX but those who watch/listen to FAUX are dumber than those who don't follow any TV "news" ..... and that is saying A LOT.

Bye bye db4635
 
 
+23 # reiverpacific 2013-07-31 11:02
All I can say is "The world is watching"!
But then "selective sentencing" is nothing new in this increasingly mean-spirited country; just ask the inhabitants of Oglala/Pine Ridge who had the highest murder rate in the nation in the 1970's none of the traditionals or AIM supporter murders were ever investigate but when two FBI agents were killed in the defense when invading a spiritual encampment with many women, children and elders present, the near-apocalypti c brutality meted out by the FBI and it's local Goon squad recruits, and the full force of COINTELPRO unleashed on the poorest people in the US for a decade and more.
And that's just one example.
Manning's sentencing will be an extension of the targeted killing program except it won't be by a drone -but doled out the same forces nonetheless.
Yet the Dimwits Cabal of crooks, cowards, nation-wrecking (at home and overseas), arrogant, warmongering chicken-hawks walk free and prosper -at least in the US, the economy-wreckin g Wall Street and home-foreclosin g big bank mafia continue on in their nefarious ploys, the corporate behemoths pollute the planet and buy most of the government and Congress continues to obstruct anything even mildly progressive.
And the military enforces all this, applauded by the corporate media.
 
 
+16 # Kathymoi 2013-07-31 16:49
Yes. It's a huge tangle of collusion among government, media, military, and big business. Profits continue to rise. The billionaires continue to get richer in this tangle.
 
 
+6 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 01:26
Newer talk is of war with China. That's such a big money-maker, right? Corporations connected to war materials must be doing cartwheels. Little do they think about long-range effects of war at home and on our beautiful Earth. I'd vote for Manning in a minute to hold any high and responsible position. I do hope he gets the Nobel Peace Price. It is his due. Guess who never earned it and who should have it taken away - Obama.
 
 
+8 # carurosu 2013-07-31 11:02
Tour true heros are going to jail (or worse) if they cathch Snowden. Your criminals are free, according to Mitch Miller.
If this is the US. of today, I wonder why so many people wsnt to go there. To me who learnt from "The American Dream in th 1950' you have become the worst od fascits and Nazis. My regards to the american people.
 
 
+33 # seldmscene 2013-07-31 11:10
Bradley Manning, whatever else he is, or does, should be a hero to all Americans, for having the imagination to think that he lives in a free country. Release him, issue all owed back pay, discharge him honorably. The Army does not deserve the service of such a fine patriot. We can never properly repay him for his unselfish service to his country.
 
 
+27 # Kathymoi 2013-07-31 16:51
or for the tortuous and dishonorable treatment he received prior to his trial.
 
 
+11 # Douglas Jack 2013-07-31 11:15
Obama 21 April 2011, "We don’t let individuals make decisions about how the law operates. He [Bradley Manning] broke the law!” Tortured unrepresented over 1st year in prison, enforced sleeplessness, no-clothes, etc.

Sentence 1st, verdict 2nd" Queen of Hearts, Alice in Wonderland.
"'Why, there they are!' said the King triumphantly, pointing to the tarts on the table. 'Nothing can be clearer than that. Then again - "before she had this fit - " you never had fits, my dear, I think?' he said to the Queen.
'Never!' said the Queen furiously, throwing an inkstand at the Lizard as she spoke. (The unfortunate little Bill had left off writing on his slate with one finger, as he found it made no mark; but he now hastily began again, using the ink, that was trickling down his face, as long as it lasted.)
'Then the words don't fit you,' said the King, looking round the court with a smile. There was a dead silence.
'It's a pun!' the King added in an offended tone, & everybody laughed, 'Let the jury consider their verdict,' the King said, for about the 20th time that day.
'No, no!' said the Queen. 'Sentence 1st - verdict afterwards.'
'Stuff & nonsense!' said Alice loudly. 'The idea of having the sentence 1st!'
'Hold your tongue!' said the Queen, turning purple.
'I won't!' said Alice.
'Off with her head!' the Queen shouted at the top of her voice. Nobody moved.
'Who cares for you?' said Alice, (she'd grown to her full size by this time.) 'You're nothing but a pack of cards!'"
 
 
+6 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 02:19
Look what Oliver North got for breaking the law:
North was a National Security Council staff member during the Iran–Contra affair, a political scandal of the late 1980s. The scandal involved the clandestine sale of weapons to Iran, which was to encourage the release of U.S. hostages then held in Lebanon. North formulated the second part of the plan which was to divert proceeds from the arms sales to support the Contra rebel groups in Nicaragua (which had been specifically prohibited under the Boland Amendment). He is currently the host of War Stories with Oliver North on Fox News Channel.[2]

I wish I wish that Manning gets off the way North did, and we have Manning with a regular audience on a major TV network. What's the likelihood?
 
 
+6 # reiverpacific 2013-08-01 09:15
Quoting grandma lynn:
Look what Oliver North got for breaking the law:
North was a National Security Council staff member during the Iran–Contra affair, a political scandal of the late 1980s. The scandal involved the clandestine sale of weapons to Iran, which was to encourage the release of U.S. hostages then held in Lebanon. North formulated the second part of the plan which was to divert proceeds from the arms sales to support the Contra rebel groups in Nicaragua (which had been specifically prohibited under the Boland Amendment). He is currently the host of War Stories with Oliver North on Fox News Channel.[2]

I wish I wish that Manning gets off the way North did, and we have Manning with a regular audience on a major TV network. What's the likelihood?

Excellent reminder of one of the most bent colluders in true "Yassah-boss" with their bent government (Reagan/Bush) on record. Add him to the list of criminals walking free and prospering after supporting and arming the murderous right-wing Contras in Nicaragua.
I doubt that we'll ever see Manning getting a show in the US even in the utterly unlikely case that he is freed, unless it's with Amy Goodman's "Democracy Now" , or "Flashpoints (KPFA 94.1 FM Berkeley)", which just acquired a short recording of his voice that had to be SMUGGLED out of a hearing, fer Gawd's sake!
He'd be better to contact Greenwald and "The Guardian" as Snowden had the sense to do.
 
 
+2 # karenvista 2013-08-02 15:33
Grandma lynn, to me, the actions of George Bush negotiating in Paris with Iranians to continue to hold the U.S. Embassy hostages until after the election, while they knew that the Carter Administration was also negotiating for immediate release of the hostages was treasonous. That was "The October Surprise."

Then Oliver North presided over the shipment of drugs (powdered cocaine and the introduction of crack) into the U.S. for the entire time he was in the administration until his removal under the Iran-Contra trials. And, even though it was said that the proceeds from the government's drug running was to support the Contras, not all of the money went to them. All government agencies were utilized, including the CIA, DEA, FBI and LAPD, and anti-Castro Cuban CIA operatives, among many others, and money was made along the trail.

Reagan brought the drugs in and Nancy said "Just Say No!" Why didn't she just tell Ronnie "No!" and this catastrophe wouldn't have been perpetrated on the American people, at least not dropped like a bomb in South LA before spreading across the country.

Read Gary Webb's "Dark Alliance" for the whole rotten story.
 
 
+6 # FDRva 2013-07-31 11:18
Pope Francis--doubtl ess shares many of Pvt Manning's--and President Obama's concerns.

I suspect that the Pope is praying harder for Manning than he is for Obama.
 
 
+12 # witchyny 2013-07-31 11:24
Brilliant Michael Moore. Just the plain truth. Imagine if Mike was head of our Press and Manning was the head of our Military.
What we need most are Good Leaders.
Where are they?....
What happened to Michael Hastings?
 
 
+13 # Kathymoi 2013-07-31 17:01
Here is my idea. We begin now to organize with good leaders, people like Michael Moore, Chris Hedges, Naom Chomsky, Bernie Sanders, Bill McKibben, Bill Moyers, and about 95 more good, honest, informed, competent, straight talking people we can trust to run together in the next election---one of them to be on the ballot for president, one for vice president, and the rest as committed cabinet, staff, advisors, and aids. We need to know the whole gang in the executive branch, and we don't need anyone who is affiliated with either major (sold out) political party. And we don't need expensive major media time or big expensive campaign travel. There is no excuse for campaigns to cost millions when they can be run mostly on the internet and the news should cover the candidates' positions as news. With a group of 100, it should be possible to do some stumping around with little travel cost. If we don't need a show of wealth to gain votes, and quite the opposite is the case, the stumping around that is done doesn't need to cost millions. It's time to get started organizing with these people.
 
 
+8 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 01:32
Don't leave out Dennis Kucinich and Russ Feingold, both of whom would be somewhere in Obama's cabinet doing good work, except that Obama is not who he pretended to be while running for president. He's a corporate shill.
 
 
0 # Robineagle 2013-08-03 02:49
Thank you Kathy. I came up with this same idea many years ago before we had the internet to popularize such a campaign. The only place where I would disagree is there are many good progressive democrats in office that should be included. People like Barbara Boxer and Lee, Grayson, Kucinich, et al.

If you are serious about trying to get such a thing going I am willing to work with you on getting to some of these people and trying to get them interested in such a campaign. Someone like Kuchinich and Michael Moore would probably have the means to reach out to and get a hold of such folks.

Contact Rob Wheeler
robwheeler22 @ gmail.com if you want to work on such an effort.

Thanks, Rob
 
 
+23 # DaveM 2013-07-31 11:26
I am facing felony charges over a Facebook post written by someone who spoofed my account. The "someone" is an Air Force Intelligence officer who likes to play games. Clear evidence of how he did it was found on my computer and through analysis of my Internet traffic logs.

All looked as if the matter would be dealt with in short order until a private investigator discovered the true identity of my stalker/harasse r. Suddenly, the investigator and my attorney "knew nothing". My computer was seized for over a month and returned to me destroyed (with no signs it had been examined at all, though the processor was literally melted). Those who had it in their possession deny that this happened. An independent tech examined the machine, documented what had been done....and in the process triggered a hidden piece of malware which essentially destroyed the hard drive. No evidence no more.

I cannot imagine that I am alone. Or that this matter will be resolved any time. I will shortly be convicted by default and there will be nothing to prevent the harasser from doing the same thing all over again and getting me and presumably others into further trouble.

I am about to lose my home, my income, and quite possibly my freedom. Where are the headlines for the likes of me? I am a victim of what Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden tried to warn us about. I am an American citizen, living in the United States of America. See ya at the gulag.
 
 
+7 # Douglas Jack 2013-07-31 15:58
Hi DaveM, Wow! so sad to hear about your prosecution. Thank you for the head's up on what is happening. It can happen to us all. Your plight puts into perspective, our activism. As long as we are alone as individuals, instead of united with our families & communities in mutual-aid economies, all of our activism isn't worth it. Our 1st responsibility is to create welcoming economy among ourselves locally. People know us by our actions. www.indigenecommunity.info
 
 
+5 # Kathymoi 2013-07-31 17:05
Yes. Get together and know who we are. Sing together inspiring songs. it doesn't have to be a confrontational "protest" in a public place. Plan together strong action like changing banks and investments, and changing shopping habits. Support locally owned business, etc. This is essential.
 
 
+5 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 01:36
I misread this first, and saw changing "barks" where you have banks. Maybe a new action should be standing outside despicable places, like banks, and barking at them. I like the other-countries action, too, of taking spoons and pans and making banging noises to draw attention to what makes us unhappy.
 
 
+7 # Kathymoi 2013-07-31 17:02
Every time I post, I think about it. It could happen to me.
 
 
+7 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 01:34
Please make sure Michael Moore knows your name and how to reach you. You and this could be the next blockbuster movie that tells us what's going on, since only people like Manning and Moore have the courage to do that.
 
 
+1 # karenvista 2013-08-02 16:00
Grandma lynn is correct, Michael Moore and maybe Matt Taibi are probably the only voices left with the courage to address such despicable behaviour. Could you start a petition and post a link here so we could all support you? That might get some attention as well.
 
 
0 # Robineagle 2013-08-03 02:55
I would strongly recommend that you contact the ACLU if this story is true and see if they can help. Contact Amy Goodman to see if she will run your story. Maybe Colbert would be brave enough to do somethign with this, etc. If you make enough noise maybe they will offer you a deal to shut up and go away.

Rob
 
 
+16 # rodrigvm 2013-07-31 11:26
An American hero goes to jail while war criminals go free? Distorted sense of justice!
 
 
-18 # crinvegas 2013-07-31 22:25
Unfortunately, war criminals do go free. But Manning is no hero. Get over this infantile hero worship.
 
 
+8 # reiverpacific 2013-08-01 09:20
Quoting crinvegas:
Unfortunately, war criminals do go free. But Manning is no hero. Get over this infantile hero worship.

Blechchch!
Rather, get over your conformist, blinkered vision then face the truth that your government and it's military and "National Spy Agency" are the criminals -and most of the rest of the "civilized" (as opposed to "industrialized ") globe agrees.
 
 
+5 # engelbach 2013-08-01 12:45
That's the extent of your argument?

And you call other people "infantile."
 
 
+3 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 01:38
What did Oliver North get? I never heard of the NSA until his crimes put the name / initials in the news. Was it that way with others? What name/initials don't we know about yet, too, because the crimes they commit in our name are not yet putting them in the spotlight?
 
 
+18 # soularddave 2013-07-31 11:51
Let's estimate how many American lives have been saved by the discloures. Never mind that the war has been effectively shortened, and how much money stopped flowing from the treasury.
 
 
+4 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 01:39
You better believe the war-mongers are figuring out (24/7) how to get the re-flow back to their coffers. Money is their game. China here we come. That new Pacific-based military site-stuff is about setting up the war-mongers for their next income pieces.
 
 
+14 # cherylpetro 2013-07-31 11:59
Seems we don't put a lot of value on the lives of the Iraqi people! We bombed the crap outta' those innocent people, leaving them with radioactive materials that cause them to have multiple cancers and freakish birth defects, then we brutally murdered them, without much punishment! What could be worse than that? Oh yeah, spilling the beans.....!
 
 
+7 # Kathymoi 2013-07-31 17:07
it's so sad.
 
 
-21 # SMoonz 2013-07-31 12:08
Hey Michael Moore,
What this whole ordeal tells me is you endorsed the wrong person for President. It also tells me you support the entire administration, including Eric Holder.
You have failed to do your duty as a responsible citizen.
 
 
+1 # reiverpacific 2013-07-31 21:43
Quoting SMoonz:
Hey Michael Moore,
What this whole ordeal tells me is you endorsed the wrong person for President. It also tells me you support the entire administration, including Eric Holder.
You have failed to do your duty as a responsible citizen.

O' fer Chrissake! -Posters like you make me want to heave into my evening tissue-restorer!
MM put his life at risk in post-9-11 "patriotic" hysteria by publishing his film "Fahrenheit 9/ 11", having to hire a fuyll-time team of Special forces for protection from the likes of you who wanted him dead.
When fid you last put yourself out there on the street or even in print, at risk in the name of whatever beliefs you march in goose-step with.
It takes real courage to be in the public eye and speak truth to power than to hide behind a loosey-goosey set of faux -ideological monopolist-medi a-fed palaver.
Love and kisses from a well-battered but still defiant lifelong activist.
Now give us some well-researched insights and information or bugger-off back to the data-vacuum from whence you briefly emerged!
I'd pay good money to watch you and M.M. just briefly debate ANYTHING face to face.
He has done his "responsible citizen" duty in spades, consistently, used the money made from his work for the common good repeatedly and will continue to do so until they "come for him" -what's YOUR couch-potato contribution?
 
 
+6 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 01:43
The wrong person as president is not Michael Moore's doing. The wrong person as president is a majority-rule flop. We need a second American Revolution to get the people back into the picture and on their (our) true feet. We need less consumerism so that people care much about democracy and less about stuff - which the stuff-makers program us to care about, while their corporate salaries enable them to buy out our so-called representatives , making those representatives forget about us while they use their increased wealth to have more stuff.
 
 
+2 # karenvista 2013-08-02 16:08
Quoting grandma lynn:
The wrong person as president is not Michael Moore's doing. The wrong person as president is a majority-rule flop. We need a second American Revolution to get the people back into the picture and on their (our) true feet. We need less consumerism so that people care much about democracy and less about stuff - which the stuff-makers program us to care about, while their corporate salaries enable them to buy out our so-called representatives, making those representatives forget about us while they use their increased wealth to have more stuff.


Depends on what the "stuff" is and where it's made.

We are pretty much out of the "consumer" game down here in the bottom 25% of income.

Time was when profits were shared with workers and the economy lifted all boats. We need to get back to that. More careful consumers, certainly, but with no consumers there are no jobs.
 
 
+2 # reiverpacific 2013-08-01 09:33
Quoting SMoonz:
Hey Michael Moore,
What this whole ordeal tells me is you endorsed the wrong person for President. It also tells me you support the entire administration, including Eric Holder.
You have failed to do your duty as a responsible citizen.

When did YOU last put your life on the line as M.M. has done, especially after he released the movie "Fahrenheit 9-11" and had his life threatened and his home ransacked by all these zealous "patriots" like yourself, most of who have had to recant their short-sightedne ss and threats in the face of the emerging truth about the Dimwits country-club of conspiracy, warmongering, chicken-hawks, cowards and crooks.
He had to hire a team of navy seals to guard him for months -and he continues to speak truth to power regardless of the circumstances, using his money to help progressive causes.
Now if THAT'S not doing duty as a responsible citizen, I'll be damned if I can see what is.
You armchair pundits can't see beyond the end of your stubby noses in y'r blinkered myopia.
What do YOU believe in -if anything- and what are you actively doing about it other that gibber from the sidelines?
 
 
+4 # engelbach 2013-08-01 12:48
The wrong people were running for president, from both parties.

Many people voted for Obama not out of love but as the lesser evil. The other choice was just too repugnant.
 
 
+8 # oakes721 2013-07-31 12:13
A military court courts death as it takes life, defying all elements of humanity that we cherish ~ as military personnel are routinely 'desensitized' as corpses to destroy all that threaten this gang code ~ with an official immunity from blame to supplant a tortured conscience from the atrocities we are ordered to commit ~ to uphold a lawless regime of thieves rather than a Constitution which is now listed among the casualties ~ as free speech now stands before a firing squad.
 
 
+13 # Johnny 2013-07-31 12:21
The judge issued a public relations verdict, not a judicial verdict. By acquitting of "aiding the enemy" she (and her masters) intended to make the convictions appear to be a reasonable compromise between extremes. Thus the government intends to make the prosecution and convictions of absurd charges appear respectable to the idiot tv-watching U.S. masses. Public relations experts call the process "triangulation. "
 
 
+11 # brux 2013-07-31 12:24
Whatever the sentence is I plan to call, email, and write the White House and ask President Obama to pardon Manning. It's not like he did not go through enough already.

I think all Americans who think it was important to know what Manning risked his life to tell us should deluge the White House with requests for a pardon for Bradley Manning.
 
 
+2 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 01:46
We should go to VA and stand with Manning. Not easy for me to do, 68-year-old grandma, but I'm thinking harder on it every day. My family will miss me. But I feel fiercely that Manning is my man. He stands for what is right and did what needs to be done. Unmasking the truth - what a task for one person against the might of the U.S. military and the U. S. presidency combined.
 
 
+21 # WeMustEvolve 2013-07-31 12:45
I want to know what the judge is going to do about the people that committed the real crimes that Manning exposed.
 
 
+8 # Kathymoi 2013-07-31 17:08
me too
 
 
+9 # WeMustEvolve 2013-07-31 12:47
I guess there was some information about other military criminals. But the sentences for murder and other mayhem seem slight compared to what they will do to Manning. We seem to have everything backward in the military like most other radical extremist right wing organizations.
 
 
+10 # 666 2013-07-31 13:19
"we're not the enemy. Right?"
wrong. They've seen the enemy and it is us
 
 
+5 # cwbystache 2013-07-31 13:34
This comes down to something archetypal: Who will win? Javert? or Jean Valjean?
 
 
+19 # RMDC 2013-07-31 13:58
Yes, Michael Moore is exactly right -- "And thus, instead of redeeming ourselves and asking forgiveness for the crimes that Spc. Manning exposed, we will reaffirm to the world who we really are."

And what we are is a nation that considers the peoples' right to know what its government is doing is a worse crime than outfight murder, torture, and rape. All Manning did is reveal to American people what their government did not want them to know. In the view of the US regime that is a great crime.

But Americans now do know because Manning told them. Manning is a hero and to be worthy of this sacrifice Americans must act on that knowledge. Americans must stand against US imperialism at every moment. Never accept the argument that US wars are making Americans safe. They are not. Never vote for any candidate who does not unconditionally oppose the global war on terror. And if you have the courage, stop paying war taxes. Your money and the money your kids will earn for their lifetimes are paying for the things Manning exposed.

All people have an inalienable right to know what their governments are doing in their name and with their tax dollars. This is the first requirement of democracy. Only an informed citizen can cast an informed vote. What Amerians have now is ignorant democracy or no democracy at all.
 
 
+5 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 01:50
We don't have taxes for these wars. They are paid for by borrowing from social security, mainly. China had 10% of our war debt as loans, but has gotten it down to 8%. I read that in a reliable place. I'm getting social security now - and I wonder how many of my age-group know their money is being loaned out to be the profits taken in all this warring. Cheney, of this generation, saw it for what it is - a pile of money he and his cronies could rob. He set it up. Cheney should be on trial for crimes. He and his puppet W. Bush.
 
 
+11 # kitster 2013-07-31 14:42
manning is guilty of serving while gay plus he had the audacity to expose the military brass for who they "really are."

this, too, will become part of obama's legacy as the most ardent prosecutor of whistleblowers that ever occupied the oval office.

amerika the bellicose. hitler and stalin would be so proud.
 
 
-12 # crinvegas 2013-07-31 22:28
We need to prosecute every whistleblower. They make our country unsafe. If they are judged 'not guilty' fine, but some are as guilty as hell. Manning and Snowden to name just two.
 
 
+3 # engelbach 2013-08-01 12:50
You're unsafe because your government is slowly taking way your rights on its march towards fascism.

And you would destroy the men who have revealed this to you.
 
 
+9 # Annette Saint John Lawrence 2013-07-31 16:15
If you went to a doctor and he finds things that are life threatening to you and didn't inform you or your family in order to take the proper measures that serves the highest good of all, would you not consider that omission that is negligent? Whistleblowers are our heroes. Free press and much of the US constitution and most of what made us a once great nation has been debased to a perilous degree.
 
 
+9 # brux 2013-07-31 16:28
This is how we keep the SUPERFICIAL peace in the 21st century.

Make a big example of anyone who whistleblows or criticizes the status quo.

Then, make sure we all know that we are being watched, that every time we talk, phone, Skype, email or buy anything, THEY know about it and can act arbitrarily and harshly on it.

What this means is that America is not a free country of free people anymore, the only people who get to live a "free" life are those selected to get along with or serve the status quo and the rest of us are by definition possible threats that need to be watched - certainly not citizens with a vote and a stake in our country and the world.
 
 
-4 # crinvegas 2013-07-31 22:43
Even if the NSA did not exist, we would not be free. Do you realize all the personal information that is floating out there about you right now. Every time you swipe a credit card, every time you visit a doctor and he writes down all kinds of info about you and stores it on a computer - not accessed by the NSA, by the way. And then there are all of the social networks where everyone gladly spills his or her guts. You want privacy? Get off of Facebook and Twitter, and tear up your credit cards. Also, put a mask on every time you see a CCTV camera. I could give plenty more examples,but our lives have not been private for many years, and most of that lack of privacy has nothing to do with the NSA.
 
 
+2 # brux 2013-08-01 12:35
> Do you realize all the personal information that is floating out there about you right now.

Yeah I do, I have worked with web and e-commerce for a long time. Don't kid yourself, all of that can be gotten at by the NSA if they wish. You computer OS has backdoors built into it by the NSA as well.

There need to be standards and rules around this, but first an inventory about what is happening, what can happen and what people want to happen.
 
 
+3 # engelbach 2013-08-01 12:53
Regardless of to whom you voluntarily give your information, the government has no right to it without a warrant for probable cause.

I let my friends and neighbors, salesmen and repair people into my house. That doesn't give the government the right to enter it.
 
 
+12 # Beckmesser 2013-07-31 16:45
The Imperial Transformation of the USA

In 1946 the Allied Powers, guided mainly by the U.S., convicted and either executed or sentenced to lengthy prison terms, members of the Nazi regime and military for crimes against humanity.

In 2013, will the American government, led by Barack Obama, sentence an American soldier to life imprisonment for exposing the American government's and its military's crimes against humanity?
 
 
-1 # crinvegas 2013-07-31 22:47
I would be willing to bet that Manning will serve his sentences concurrently. And regarding your comments about Nazi Germany and the US. If Germany had won, you can be sure the Nazi regime would have executed or sent to prison many of our leading military figures.
 
 
+4 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 01:52
Manning should get no time at all, if justice is done.
 
 
-14 # db4635 2013-07-31 17:12
It blows my mine how many people think releasing military classified documents is "free speech." Why doesn't someone 'out' the Seals that killed bin Laden? A military secret; and a lot of people don't like that he was killed vice brought back alive.
 
 
0 # reiverpacific 2013-07-31 21:44
Quoting db4635:
It blows my mine how many people think releasing military classified documents is "free speech." Why doesn't someone 'out' the Seals that killed bin Laden? A military secret; and a lot of people don't like that he was killed vice brought back alive.

In English please?!
 
 
+4 # engelbach 2013-08-01 12:55
There is a difference between secrets that are necessary to conduct legitimate operations and secrets that are meant to keep us from knowing about government crimes.

It takes only a smidgen of wisdom to know the difference. Which you obviously lack.
 
 
+11 # spercepolnes 2013-07-31 18:35
To those who would enslave, brutalise and control us, knowledge of what they do is ALWAYS the greatest crime. And the messenger, the greatest criminal! A government's words are meaningless - their actions judge them for more eloquently!
 
 
+4 # Anarchist 23 2013-07-31 20:35
We hung Germans after WWII for some of the things this country now does. Bradley Manning revealed these crimes. But the Sheeple are 'good Not Sees' here in the Untied Stassi Staats of Amnesia. The court of world opinion sees the truth, I bet, as to whom is the hero and whom the villain in these events.
 
 
0 # grandma lynn 2013-08-01 01:55
...court of world opinion. I'm going to stay up later right now and Google some of the world's English-languag e newspapers and see what the world opinion is on this. Who has the courage?
 
 
+1 # karenvista 2013-08-02 16:39
Quoting grandma lynn:
...court of world opinion. I'm going to stay up later right now and Google some of the world's English-language newspapers and see what the world opinion is on this. Who has the courage?


That means that you are, therefore legally, a suspect, since you will have Googled a site outside the U.S.

Since the government controls our media (Michael Hastings)they have made it an offense that makes you a subject of criminal investigation if you attempt to access foreign media, "The Guardian" for instance.

Control on top of control to keep us terrorized into submission.
 
 
+3 # hebintn 2013-08-01 05:27
I know most will consider it a minor point but as a dog lover, I want to know what happened to the low life big strong brave soldier that threw a puppy off a cliff a couple of years ago. I'm sure the video of his action was a slight embarrassment to officials and the SOB got no punishment for what he did. I don'y suppose we could throw him off the same cliff.
 
 
+5 # Billy Bob 2013-08-01 07:54
I saw that same video and feel the same way. I wonder how many innocent children in Iraq suffered a worse and more deliberately cruel fate than that puppy did. There isn't going to be a video of THAT atrocity, so the puppy is just symbolic of it. We know the statistics and anecdotes, but we don't have a Youtube video to put a crying screaming panicked face on it.

I wish there was one, so people would be forced to see the truth of what the global oil industry's conquest of the 3rd world really looks like.
 
 
0 # scratchpaw 2013-08-01 14:57
It's a shame that a lot of people suffered because of Manning but when it comes down to our country and the world my choice tearfully would have to be my country and the world.It's like a woman in order to save her life an innocent fetus has to be sacrificed to save her life. These choices can be difficult and not easy to make and I'm pretty sure that manning had a difficult time choosing and he tearfully made the right choicea
 
 
0 # scratchpaw 2013-08-02 16:49
I need to apologize on behalf of a jeep called Bradley Manning. The mistake
Was saying that he got people into trouble.
How could he when no soldiers died in the first place.Please forgive me.
Now I do have another opinion though and that is that it goes to show how far to the right we've gone and how this poor boy is suffering as compared to Daniel Ellsberg.
Daniel was quickly found not guilty when he
Whistlew on the Vietnam war via the Pentagon
Papers.This is corporate fascism at its worst.
 
 
+1 # giraffee2012 2013-08-02 21:40
According to the Geneva Convention - if a soldier sees atrocity - they are obligated to report the event. Manning saw many atrocities on "the record" and he exposed these so the "law" who is railing against Manning SHOULD be prosecuting the wrong doers. Does this include the President and CIA and etc? YOU BET. WTF is going on that we don't DEMAND the wrongful get punished and not the one who was obligated to report (i.e. the messenger)?

Call your Congress people daily - demand justice and if one of yours is on a committee that is railing against Manning - make sure you send the message "they will never be re-elected as long as you have breath"--- then make sure you campaign against him/her at his next re-election.

Make sure he has your the kid that takes you message has your words straight by repeating back to you "what you tell him" and DEMAND an answer from your Congress person (email will do)

Remember, you phone call represents many so repeat you phone call at least once a day.
 
 
+1 # ladymidath 2013-08-04 17:02
Any espect I had for the United States has officially died.
 

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