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Goodman writes: "As the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington nears, let's not forget the history of agency overreach and abuse of power."

Martin Luther King at Washington DC's Lincoln Memorial in 1968. (photo: Francis Miller/Getty Images)
Martin Luther King at Washington DC's Lincoln Memorial in 1968. (photo: Francis Miller/Getty Images)



America's Real Subversives: FBI and NSA

By Amy Goodman, Guardian UK

28 July 13

 

As the 50th anniversary of the March on Washington nears, let's not forget the history of agency overreach and abuse of power

s the 50th anniversary of the 1963 March on Washington approaches, commemorating that historic gathering where Martin Luther King Jr gave his famous "I have a dream" speech, it is important to recall the extent to which King was targeted by the government's domestic spying apparatus. The FBI operation against King is one of the most shameful episodes in the long history of our government's persecution of dissenters.

Fifty years later, Edward Snowden, who is seeking temporary asylum to remain in Russia, took enormous personal risk to expose the global reach of surveillance programs overseen by President Barack Obama. His revelations continue to provoke worldwide condemnation of the US.

In a heavily redacted, classified FBI memo dated 4 January 1956 – just a little more than a month after Rosa Parks was arrested for refusing to give up her seat on a bus to a white passenger – the Mobile, Alabama, FBI office stated that an agent "had been assigned by [redacted] to find out all he could about Reverend Martin L King, colored minister in Montgomery and leader in the bus boycott … to uncover all the derogatory information he could about King."

The FBI at that time was run by its founding director, J Edgar Hoover, who was deploying the vast resources he controlled against any and all perceived critics of the United States. The far-reaching clandestine surveillance, infiltration and disruption operation Hoover ran was dubbed "COINTELPRO", for counterintelligence program.

The FBI's COINTELPRO activities, along with illegal operations by agencies like the CIA, were thoroughly investigated in 1975 by the Church Committee, chaired by the Democratic US senator from Idaho, Frank Church. The Church committee reported that the FBI "conducted a sophisticated vigilante operation aimed squarely at preventing the exercise of first amendment rights of speech and association." Among COINTELPRO's perverse activities was an FBI effort to threaten Martin Luther King Jr with exposure of an alleged extramarital affair, including the suggestion, made by the FBI to King, that he avoid embarrassment by killing himself.

Following the Church committee, Congress imposed serious limitations on the FBI and other agencies, restricting domestic spying. Among the changes was the passage into law of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (Fisa). Fisa compelled the FBI and others in the government to go to a secret court, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, in order to engage in domestic wiretapping.

Then came 11 September 2001, and the swift passage of the Patriot Act, granting broad, new powers of surveillance to intelligence agencies, including the FBI. Section 215 of that act is widely criticized, first for allowing the FBI to obtain records of what books people are signing out of the library. But now, more than 10 years later, and thanks to the revelations that have come from the Snowden leaks, we see that the government has used this law to perform dragnet surveillance on all electronic communications, including telephone "metadata", which can be analyzed to reveal intimate details of our lives, legalizing a truly Orwellian system of total surveillance.

In what is considered to be a litmus test of the potential to roll back the Obama administration's domestic spy programs, a bipartisan coalition of libertarian Republicans and progressive Democrats put forth an amendment to the latest defense authorization bill. Justin Amash, a Republican, and John Conyers, a Democrat, both of Michigan, co-sponsored the amendment, which would deny funding to the NSA to collect phone and data records of people who are not subjects of an investigation.

The White House took seriously the potential that its power to spy might get trimmed by Congress. On the eve of the debate on the Amash/Conyers amendment, House members were lobbied by NSA Director General Keith B Alexander, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, as well as by hawkish members of the congressional intelligence committees.

The amendment was narrowly defeated. A full bill that would similarly shut down the NSA program is currently in committee.

Thanks to Edward Snowden, and the journalists who are writing stories based on his whistleblowing, we now know that the Obama administration is collecting oceans of our data. Martin Luther King Jr was a dissident, an organizer, a critic of US wars abroad and of poverty and racism at home. He was spied on, and his work was disrupted by the federal government.

The golden anniversary of the March on Washington is 28 August. Deeply concerned about the crackdown on dissent happening under Obama, scholar Cornel West, professor at Union Theological Seminary in New York, wondered if "Brother Martin [King] would not be invited to the very march in his name."

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+67 # fredboy 2013-07-28 09:12
Yes, in other regimes they were called the secret police.
 
 
+19 # thildebrand 2013-07-28 16:08
True. The FBI, NSA, DIA, and the rest of the alphabet soup of national security and intelligence agencies, including the military and the corporations and compliant members of Congress that constitute the military-indust rial-Congressio nal complex function as a secret political police, not unlike the infamous and dreaded East German secret police, the Stasi.

The FBI, since its inception at the early years of the 20th Century, has always secretly functioned in this way - its creation was connected to the Palmer raids against labor organizers in support of factory owners. Marcus Garvey, the noted charismatic organizer in the African-America n community was one of the FBI's early victims - deported on trumped-up charges to his native Jamaica.

It is my contention that the Mafia, the FBI, and the CIA are the three pre-eminent criminal organizations in the USA. The tying together of these three organizations is no coincidence - historically, they have often been partners in crime and have overlapping memberships. All three entities hide their illegal and corrupt operations behind a front of legal and legitimate activities to confuse and mislead the public about the true nature of their deeply malevolent purposes.
 
 
+63 # TCinLA 2013-07-28 09:55
I was a victim of Fools & Buffoons, Inc., for the crime of coming home from Vietnam and spending six years fighting the war I spent one year in. The FBI harassment included such petty things as getting other government agencies to harass dissidents; for instance, I never got a GI Bill check on time, always 1-2 weeks late, sometimes a month late, things like that. An application for a GI Bill home loan was delayed to the point the seller dropped it. But worse than that, when my wife and I were active in the GI antiwar movement, FBI agents visited our fathers at their places of employment (mine was a government scientist, her retired Marine father worked at a bank) to publicly ask them about their children who the agents said were selling drugs to American soldiers and trying to entice them to desert (the opposite was actually true). And they came to our parents repeatedly. It took several years for me to be able to straighten that with him, it poisoned my entire relations with my family for years, but when I received my COINTELPRO file, even redacted as it was, I could show who had done what.

The real threats to the national security of the United States are the ones charged with "protecting" those interests. Everything they have done in the past 60 years has made our true national interests far less secure.
 
 
+17 # thildebrand 2013-07-28 14:50
I am happy to see someone who actually suffered such abuse at the hands of the FBI report this here. If you have not yet read Brian Glick's book, War At Home: Covert Action Against U.S. Activists and What We Can Do About It, I highly recommend it.

Glick is a civil rights attorney and former partner in the People's Law Office and presently a professor of Law at Fordham University. His book accounts for the very kind of criminal activities committed by the FBI and gives the reader a greater understanding of its history and context.
 
 
+9 # RMDC 2013-07-29 05:54
or, just read War Churchill's two volume study of COINTELPRO -- "Agents of Repression" and "The COINTELPRO Papers."

I disagree with Amy's remark, "The FBI's COINTELPRO activities, along with illegal operations by agencies like the CIA, were thoroughly investigated in 1975 by the Church Committee," It was somewhat investigated. The same programs go on.

By the way, Deep Throat who gave us the Watergate information was Mark Felt, the head of COINTELPRO. Does anyone now think that Woodward and Bernstein were spun as part of the COINTELPRO operation? I do.
 
 
+6 # thildebrand 2013-07-29 11:08
I have read Ward Churchill's books and they are very good. He has since been persecuted for his views, ousted from his university position.

I also agree with you that the Church Committee held back from thorough investigation - it was more of a "limited hangout" for the FBI and CIA, but it divulged a great deal more about their activities than they ever expected to see the light of day. Of course, the corporate-owned media gave limited coverage to what was actually disclosed. The public was mostly left with the impression that the government merely overstepped it bounds of surveilling us citizens, not what they did with the information collected.

I also recommend Carl Oglesby's The Yankee and the Cowboy that can be downloaded free from on-line. There was a very close relationship between the Watergate scandal and JFK assassination that most people are unaware of, thanks to our corporate-owned mainstream media.
 
 
+10 # DaveM 2013-07-28 10:15
Excellent point fredboy. I'm not sure what the present euphemism is, but in 21st Century Newspeak, I'm sure there is something delightful.
 
 
+19 # barkingcarpet 2013-07-28 10:59
50 years, and what do we have....
Sigh. We seem to be going backwards.
I SO long for the time when we can all get along, take care of each other, and all life, as brothers, sisters, and stewards.
Find and read, or listen to (even better) the "autobiogrophy" of MLK, and realize how easy most of us have it, especially white folks, and how heroic folks which have worked for equality and civil rights were and are, and how Much we owe them.
What ARE we doing with our lives, and what are we leaving/crating /allowing for the future?
Examine and challange our beliefs folks, and change the world while we can.
Love heals all, and is what matters. The rest is B.S.
 
 
+23 # Vardoz 2013-07-28 11:03
True this has always been a tradition of abuse against those who might want to change the status quo but having voted and contributed to Obama and believed his we the people crap, we see that any shred of the beliefs he once held as a community organizer are dead and buried. Or perhaps buried because he has just become another puppet to save his skin. Either way he has betrayed that part of himself that had any connection to the beliefs of King.
 
 
-3 # brux 2013-07-29 03:05
The vicious attacks on Obama are unwarranted. I am disappointed in him, and even angry at times that he does not do more what he sold us on ... but look what he is facing.

It's fine to mention this, to be angry, and to criticize, but the bile that you spew here goes way over that and is meant to attack the whole left. It's simply unproductive.
 
 
+4 # Sweet Pea 2013-07-29 10:29
Quoting brux:
The vicious attacks on Obama are unwarranted. I am disappointed in him, and even angry at times that he does not do more what he sold us on ... but look what he is facing.

It's fine to mention this, to be angry, and to criticize, but the bile that you spew here goes way over that and is meant to attack the whole left. It's simply unproductive.


The truth is the most productive of any method of communication, even if it is sometimes painful.
 
 
-1 # brux 2013-08-01 02:20
It's not painful - it's ineffective and it is only your truth.
Sit around and insult Obama, I don't give a damn, you waste your own life doing nothing - go for it.
 
 
0 # Jiovanna 2013-08-04 19:07
Brux, so what's your strategy to gain fairness in our nation?
 
 
-1 # brux 2015-01-11 12:44
Thanks for asking, but that is a discussion that will not fit in 1500 characters ... yet. I mean I could just quote the "do unto others" rule, but that is not specific enough I imagine?
 
 
+23 # Anarchist 23 2013-07-28 11:20
We did not defeat the Nazis. We took in their heart of darkness and ate it and became it. Now this country is filled with 'Not Sees' and could more accurately be named the Untied Stassi States of Amnesia.
 
 
+4 # brux 2013-07-29 03:01
There were just different Nazis in all the countries of the world ... we use the name Nazis from the worst of them, but not all the Nazis of the world have a race or creed hatred like the German fascists. The American Nazis don't care about race as long as they can put everyone in a virtual concentration camp and cut their costs to enable warring economically and militarily using the brand of America to expand the American military empire.

The problem is that America used to be the visionaries of the world and now we have little of that left that is not just a facade, and the world knows it - especially South America.
 
 
+3 # dkonstruction 2013-07-29 11:29
Quoting brux:
There were just different Nazis in all the countries of the world ... we use the name Nazis from the worst of them, but not all the Nazis of the world have a race or creed hatred like the German fascists. The American Nazis don't care about race as long as they can put everyone in a virtual concentration camp and cut their costs to enable warring economically and militarily using the brand of America to expand the American military empire.

The problem is that America used to be the visionaries of the world and now we have little of that left that is not just a facade, and the world knows it - especially South America.


Please tell me which Nazis don't have "a race or creed hatred like the German fascists" including the "American Nazis" you are referring to (I suspect this would come as a bit of a surprise to the members of the American Nazi Party).
 
 
0 # thildebrand 2013-07-31 00:14
There is a saying that "life imitates art." I have been intrigued lately in learning about a classic film directed by Fritz Lang, produced in 1933, entitled The Testament of Dr. Mabuse. The film was banned in Germany by propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, because the villain, whose ambition it was to create an "empire of crime," mouthed the slogans of the Nazi party. Lang fled into exile to the USA shortly thereafter.

Tom Gunning's notes accompanying the DVD state: "While Dr. Mabuse may seem the image of Hitler, he predates the rise of the Nazis. Today he does not simply seem a figure from past history, but a compellingly contemporary image of terrorism in an age of universal conspiracy and advanced technology. Lang had made his first film based on Mabuse in 1924 with his two-part masterpiece in silent filmmaking, Dr. Mabuse, The Gambler. Based on a character created by novelist Norbert Jacques, Mabuse was a master criminal who used disguise, blackmail, stock market manipulation, and occult powers of hypnosis to deliver people into his control. He proclaimed, 'There is only one thing that is interesting any more: playing with people and their destinies.' ... Mabuse brought new, modern elements to the character of unstoppable evil through his role as a psychoanalyst and and his occult powers of mind control."

Remind anyone of the CIA and its MK Ultra, mind control program?
 
 
0 # thildebrand 2013-07-31 10:04
Continuing where I left off...

"Lang has moved the master criminal from the turn-of-the century world of caped and hooded criminals into a modern world in which the greatest power of the terrorist lies in his invisibility and intangibility, which raises the question of whether he is alive or dead - and what difference does it make, anyway. Crime becomes less actions undertaken for individual profit or revenge than the consequences of a seemingly abstract system. Mabuse, like the terrorists of today , thrives on the modern world of media and international networks. He is kept alive through the technological recordings and transmissions of his voice, delivering his messages while keeping his physical presence hidden, untraceable, and therefore unseizable."

Our most recently media terrorists and villains, Osama bn Laden and Saddam Hussein, were largely creations of the CIA and the corporate-owned mainstream media.

Not many Americans are aware of the nefarious influence that the Nazis had on our intelligence community after WW2. Operation Paperclip recruited Nazi master spy Reinhard Gehlen and his many associates to become part of our CIA. It is hard to say to what extent these Nazi infiltrators have influenced our own country's destiny by way of our own national security state since WW2.
 
 
+13 # oakes721 2013-07-28 11:37
Obama's Vigilantes are in a full-court press to strangle the freedom to speak or write, or whisper the words of the Constitution of the United States.

Tuesday's Child now boasts of his ordered extrajudicial assassinations all over the world ~ continuing Bush's reign of terror with official peeping Toms, infiltrators, saboteurs and anonymous (U.S.) drone mass murders.

We could be in deep trouble if God isn't an American...
 
 
+13 # mdhome 2013-07-28 13:06
Thanks to the "Patriot Act", we have lost freedom and privacy.
 
 
+13 # reiverpacific 2013-07-28 12:18
Amy moi-dearrrr; love and respect you but you missed out the third part of the evil triumvirate in the title (although you give it a brief mention in the body of the article), the CIA, arguably worse that the other two and sometimes caught up in a petty squabble with the FBI over the 'bossing' or claiming jurisdiction of some cases. Post 9-11 is a good example.
In fairness though, and to their credit, they did issue specific warnings on imminent attacks promptly ignored by the hubristic ignorance of Dimwits, Cheyn-gang, Rice et al.
If you want a good look at COINTELPRO and the kind of mean-spirited bastards they recruit in the FBI, read Peter Mathiessen's "In the Spirit of Crazy Horse", a close-up portrait including interviews with special agents and victims in Oglala, Pine Ridge and nationally, which was blocked for years and many lawsuits from publication by the 'Fucked-up Bully-of-Ingora muses' and successive administrations (I bought my well-thumbed and bookmarked copy in Scotland). An earlier time kind of Wikileaks, specifically dealing with the oppression of native peoples, a National Sacrifice Area on Indian Lands for uranium, the rape of the sacred Black Hills, the trumped-up incarceration of Leonard Peltier and the hundreds of uninvestigated murders of traditionals in and around Pine Ridge in the 1970's.
You can get it here now and it has sold very well.
Mulder and Scully they ain't, I'm afraid.
 
 
+14 # Beckmesser 2013-07-28 12:26
In jubilant expectation of what his election seemingly promised, the Nobel people conferred on him the world's most prestigious peace prize. That was truly the audacity of hope. How those words have left a bitter taste in my mouth. The reality turned out to be a continuation of the disastrous Bush regime. Obama, how can you live with yourself?
 
 
+13 # thildebrand 2013-07-28 12:31
A good op-ed for a different perspective than what one reads or hears in the mainstream, corporate-owned news media.

Not mentioned, though, was the fact that the family of Dr. King brought a civil, wrongful death lawsuit in 1999 against Loyd Jowers and unnamed government agencies for the assassination of Dr. King, and the jury took little time to find in favor of the plaintiffs, confirming overwhelming evidence presented at the trial that the FBI, military intelligence, and the local Memphis police were the primary perpetrators of the assassination of Dr. King. James Earl Ray was an unwitting patsy elaborately set up by national security agencies, but was unaware of the plot to kill Dr. King.

Dr. King was a key target of two COINTELRPO programs - one directed against "communists" and one against African-America n political organizers and activists. FBI memos uncovered in the Congressional investigations of the FBI in the 1970's demonstrated that Hoover was concerned about the possible rise of a "black messiah."
 
 
+9 # James Marcus 2013-07-28 12:41
don't forget... the CIA, DHS, and TSA,
President Obama
Majority of Congress
Major Media
Majority of Supreme Court
As bad as this is, it's good to 'know the Score'....
 
 
+3 # grandma lynn 2013-07-30 12:53
Friday, July 26 New York Times front page story is about Chief Justice John Roberts, Jr.'s "Picks Reshaping Secret Surveillance Court." "10 of its 11 Judges are G.O.P. Appointees - Critics Fear Deference in Spying."

This court "is part of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act." It gives up or down permission for wiretapping, etc.

If it weren't for Edward Snowden, who was probably inspired by Bradley manning, we wouldn't know that this discussion on our loss of privacy should be happening.

Obama as professor teaching the Constitution must have left all that training way, way, way behind when he took over the presidency and continued so much started by Bush and Cheney.
 
 
+18 # JSRaleigh 2013-07-28 12:44
Something I've been thinking a lot about lately. Suppose for a moment that Obama was convinced these programs violate the Constitution and ordered them shut down.

Do you really think the FBI, CIA & NSA *WOULD* end the programs? Or even suspend them during the rest of Obama's term in office?

I'm not convinced they answer to Obama any more than they answer to you or to me.
 
 
+2 # larrypayne 2013-07-28 13:39
They answer to these guys:

http://deanhenderson.wordpress.com/2013/07/26/the-federal-reserve-cartel-part-i-the-eight-families/#more-1287
 
 
+11 # reiverpacific 2013-07-28 14:16
Quoting JSRaleigh:
Something I've been thinking a lot about lately. Suppose for a moment that Obama was convinced these programs violate the Constitution and ordered them shut down.

Do you really think the FBI, CIA & NSA *WOULD* end the programs? Or even suspend them during the rest of Obama's term in office?

I'm not convinced they answer to Obama any more than they answer to you or to me.

In the scenario you suggest, Obama would most likely suffer the fate of JFK, RFK and MLK.
And it would be likewise covered up with whitewashing commissions of "investigation" like the Warren and 9-11 finks and patsies of the true rulers, as a patronizing palliative to we of the many-headed.
Obama and other selected presidents sit in office at the pleasure of the military-indust rial dictators, much as the president of Iran sits at the pleasure of the Mullahs.
Sad but becoming clearer the more they reveal themselves to anybody with even a smattering of an enquiring noggin'.
 
 
+6 # larrypayne 2013-07-28 12:48
"Then came 11 September 2001, and the swift passage of the Patriot Act, granting broad, new powers of surveillance to intelligence agencies . . ."

I'm surprised Amy Goodman would even mention 9/11 since she has suffered extreme criticism from those who know the difference between buildings that are collapsing and buildings that are being blown up. I'll never forgive her for her participation in the coverup.
 
 
+4 # BobboMax 2013-07-28 22:57
Larry,

Those who do "know the difference between buildings that are collapsing and buildings that are being blown up" don't have a lot of patience with conspiracy theories. I recommend watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj6ZtXt6W90. Loiseaux has been imploding buildings literally all his life. His point is that it takes his company, the best in the world, months to prep a building for implosion, and it's not a subtle process. You have to be pretty ignorant of the facts to think that many buildings, let alone even one, could have been imploded without anyone noticing the prep.
 
 
+2 # BobboMax 2013-07-28 23:37
Another good youtube is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwZ-vIaW6Bc.

That one features Noam Chomsky- not generally an apologist for any government, let alone the Cheney-Addingto n administration.
 
 
+2 # larrypayne 2013-07-29 09:33
Chomsky, like Bill Maher and Jon Stewart (Leibowitz), are terrified that if the truth is revealed, Israel will be implicated among the perpetrators.

Larry Silverstein, WTC leaseholder, controlled access to all three fallen buildings. Silverstein is a personal friend to Netanyahu who said 9/11 was good for Israel.
 
 
+2 # larrypayne 2013-07-29 07:16
Loiseaux's company, Controlled Demolition, Inc., was given federal contracts worth billions to clean up rubble at the Oklahoma City bombing and WTC. Do you think that might have prompted Loiseaux to lie as he did?

Do you know that if you accept the ridiculous government conspiracy theory, that makes you a conspiracy theorist as well?


http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/meet_the_loizeaux_family.htm
 
 
0 # karenvista 2013-07-30 16:56
Quoting BobboMax:
Larry,

Those who do "know the difference between buildings that are collapsing and buildings that are being blown up" don't have a lot of patience with conspiracy theories. I recommend watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj6ZtXt6W90. Loiseaux has been imploding buildings literally all his life. His point is that it takes his company, the best in the world, months to prep a building for implosion, and it's not a subtle process. You have to be pretty ignorant of the facts to think that many buildings, let alone even one, could have been imploded without anyone noticing the prep.


No one disputes that it takes time to set the charges but, if you do any research, you will find that there were people coming and going all the time during the months prior to 9/11 doing upgrades to wiring and data cables, renovating the elevators and "building out office space." Tenants in the building talk about the strange noises they would hear. There were power downs two weekends before 9/11 which left the buildings open at night and many vehicles and workmen were observed entering and leaving the buildings. And-security cameras and other such equipment were turned off.

And you think that Osama bin Laden had that kind of control and access? How foolish......

I suggest that you take a look at Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth.
 
 
+11 # MidwesTom 2013-07-28 13:33
In last weeks vote to defund the NSA surveillance President Obama personally phoned Democratic Congressmen for two days to make sure that defunding did not happen. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. To deflect attention he came out with yet another Trayvon quote that every MSM outlet covered.
 
 
+7 # cordleycoit 2013-07-28 16:38
One who knows the pain from being blackjacked by two special agents I know these desperate men will do anything to witness of their crimes. Twenty, thirty, forty years later they call your place of work and try and lose your livelihood to make them feel good.
 
 
+4 # brux 2013-07-29 02:59
I just wonder if this whole FISA court thing, projected onto the whole "government" thing, if it is just a fiction that our real rulers are getting tired of supporting, and hence all of this is to set the expections of citizens that our country is not what they think or thought it was, the illustrious past democracy that Amy Goodman so eloquently talks about is gone in a societal coup that happened in fits and starts beginning 50 years ago this year with the Kennedy assassination.

The only way we can get anything like it back, is to stop screwing around, wise up, drop unnecessary things and really focus on overthrowing arbitrary corporate/fasci st rulers.

The only thing though is that we need to envision a system that will be unable to evolve right back into the very thing we have today.
 
 
-7 # tabonsell 2013-07-29 03:06
If we are going to criticize government entities for their actions, let's at least deal with reality and not suppositions or guess work.

And we know that some of them have behaved badly. So I will not go to bat for the FBI, the CIA (turned it down when it recruited me) the TSA or any other entity.

But I can speak with knowledge about NSA for I have been there, done that and know what it's about.

The program that much of the nation has its panties in a twisty over does not involve wiretapping. Amy is only guessing on that. The metadata that she writes about contains nothing that would reveal the most-intimate details of our lives. She is only guessing on that.

It contains only records of phone numbers calling and called, date of call and length of calls. A line of that would look something like this:

(111) 222-3333=(222)3 33-4444/Jul 1/22min

Now change the numbers and multiply that by 3 billion (number of daily calls in the US) or 12.5 billion (number of daily calls worldwide. Then explain to those of us with normal intelligence and logical minds how that data would reveal any intimate details of our private lives.

The listing of you in a telephone company's white pages reveals more about you than does the NSA program that searches for suspects of terrorist activities. That program looks only for patterns that might indicate further exploration. It doesn't include American citizens whose communications are totally in the US.
 
 
+4 # brux 2013-07-29 12:00
That would be totally useless unless you can run it against known people's phone numbers, The point is that it is not just calls that go outside the US. And, perhaps that is just what they allowed to see, or you are making the whole thing up?
 
 
+6 # MsAnnaNOLA 2013-07-29 14:38
You claim to know about this program and maybe you do, but the program does not preclude other programs existing that do collect content. FBI agents and NSA whistle blowers have confirmed that content is collected. What you either fail to realize or are deliberately distracting from is the fact that who you call and when as well as where is all part of meta data. This is very telling indeed, to claim otherwise is ridiculous on its face.

I purposely do not participate in social networking because I don't wish to broadcast my business to the world. If the government collects and has access to all my calls forever whenever they want it without any probable cause whatsoever this is unconstitutiona l search and seizure. I do not participate in social networking because I don't want to give all my info for free to corporations. I surely do not want to give it to the government for free either.

Don't believe this troll. Multiple whistle blowers including Russ Tice at boilingfrogspos t.com have indicated that they have wiretapped high government officials including Obama back when he was a mere senate candidate. Likely also including the same ones in the Dem establishment that just whipped to kill the Amash amendment like Nanci Pelosi.
 
 
+2 # karenvista 2013-07-30 17:24
You have no idea what has already been admitted to by other NSA whistleblowers and members of this government.

But, for the sake of argument, let's just presume that what you've said is all they are doing.

All the NSA has to do is add the appropriate algorithms and mix thoroughly.

As you well know, and so do we, they are looking for patterns of communications citizens who might want to exercise our First Amendment right, "the right of the people peaceably to assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Are you an officer of the DOD's "Information Operations" Division? As you know, their mission is to propagandize the domestic U.S. population and to modify public opinion by repetition of your approved messages.

We don't want to hear your "approved message."
 
 
+3 # MsAnnaNOLA 2013-07-29 14:29
I have started to wonder if the post election, post inauguration pow-wow between past and current presidents is not a frank conversation where the immediate past-president informs the newly elected president....By the way buddy you better tow the line or the alphabet soup agencies are going to JF Kennedy, MLK, RF Kennedy you. They have threatened me already so you now have your marching orders. This thought came to me as I saw Bush and Obama emerge from their little pow-wow all a smiles. What really could they be talking about. How come they are such fast friends? The threatened few? The tiny group that knows the fact that we no longer live in a democracy?
 
 
+1 # karenvista 2013-07-30 17:35
Quoting MsAnnaNOLA:
I have started to wonder if the post election, post inauguration pow-wow between past and current presidents is not a frank conversation where the immediate past-president informs the newly elected president....By the way buddy you better tow the line or the alphabet soup agencies are going to JF Kennedy, MLK, RF Kennedy you. They have threatened me already so you now have your marching orders. This thought came to me as I saw Bush and Obama emerge from their little pow-wow all a smiles. What really could they be talking about. How come they are such fast friends? The threatened few? The tiny group that knows the fact that we no longer live in a democracy?




That's what many of us, for years have called "The Talk."
 

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