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Madden writes: "The Obama administration is wrong 98 percent of the time, just like Zimmerman was about Trayvon. Yet Barack Obama and George Zimmerman are both free men today."

President Barack Obama during his remarks on the George Zimmerman case. (photo: Carolyn Kaster/AP)
President Barack Obama during his remarks on the George Zimmerman case. (photo: Carolyn Kaster/AP)

Obama Is Just as Bad as Zimmerman

By Briana Madden, Reader Supported News

26 July 13


espite his impassioned and seemingly heartfelt words on the unfortunate verdict in the Zimmerman case last week, President Obama is, in fact, guilty of the same wrongs as Trayvon Martin's killer.

The Obama administration has granted itself the power to divine by osmosis the guilt or innocence of anyone, anywhere in the world, and to decide that person's fate. It's not exactly a secret that we live in a world where most are guilty until proven innocent, only now we see this unconstitutional principle written into both foreign and domestic policy. It's bad enough that these unjust practices have gone unchecked for so long, but it's even more outrageous that our government is now attempting to justify their legal use.

The United States government has killed 475 Trayvons in Pakistan and Yemen since 2002, according to the New America Foundation. With relatively no oversight, Obama has unleashed his drones on "suspected terrorists" (American citizens or not) in the Middle East, retaining the power to do so on U.S. soil as well. Based on an intelligence profile, he decides whether a person lives or dies. These supposed terrorists never get to speak for or defend themselves. No evidence is presented to prove their innocence or guilt. Obama just pulls the trigger and a life is snuffed out.

But wait, isn't that exactly what George Zimmerman did when he saw Trayvon Martin that night? Zimmerman decided to follow him based on a racial profile, resulting in his death. Trayvon never got the chance to prove his innocence. Before he was given the opportunity, Zimmerman pulled the trigger, just like President Obama.

And just how accurate is the Obama administration at targeting actual guilty parties? As it turns out, they are wrong almost all of the time. Estimates show that as many as 50 civilians are killed for every one "terrorist." There is also evidence that the CIA targets civilians who come to rescue or move the victims of the drone attacks and those who attend victim's funerals.

So the Obama administration is wrong 98 percent of the time, just like Zimmerman was about Trayvon. Yet Barack Obama and George Zimmerman are both free men today, while 476 families grieve.

Discussing the reaction of the African-American community to Zimmerman's acquittal, Obama said, "I think it's important to recognize that the African-American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn't go away." Is it not equally important for President Obama and all of us as Americans to recognize that the people in Pakistan and Yemen are looking at the unrestricted and largely indiscriminate killing by aircraft of their innocents through a historical lense as well? With this in mind, how can anyone wonder about the cause of the widespread anti-American sentiment in the Middle East?

Obama goes on to talk about the way statistics are manipulated to show that African-American men are more violent than others. He says it's not fair to deny the context of these numbers in order to twist public opinion against a group of people. How then, is it fair for government propagandists to engage in the same manipulation of numbers in order to convince a nation that the "war on terror" is worth this merciless killing?

In the most reported sound bite from his speech, Obama says, "Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago." This comment was, I'm sure, intended to convey the idea that even though we have an African-American president, we don't live in a post-racial world, a sentiment that Obama elaborated on later in his speech. What it brought to mind for me was that Obama could've just as easily been born in Pakistan and been the victim of the very violent injustice he deplored in his speech.

The president also spoke of his own personal experience and that of most every African-American man across the country, lamenting the profiling he faced due to his skin color. What he failed to recognize is that those are the same experiences of every other marginalized group in the United States. Profiling, which is derived from stereotypes and prejudice, doesn't just drop out of thin air. It has to come from somewhere. The racial profiling of African-Americans like Trayvon Martin stems from the American slave trade. The racial profiling of Middle Easterners comes from the American "war on terror," which our President Obama has committed himself to perpetuating through haphazard killing, indefinite detention, and extensive breaches of privacy.

Near the end of his remarks, President Obama asked, "If we're sending a message as a society in our communities that someone who is armed potentially has the right to use those firearms even if there's a way for them to exit from a situation, is that really going to be contributing to the kind of peace and security and order that we'd like to see?"

So I ask now, what moral high ground does Obama have to stand on as he condemns George Zimmerman?

Briana Madden earned her bachelor's degree in journalism from Illinois State University and is an Editor at Reader Supported News. You can reach her by email at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it and follow her on Twitter at @brianarmadden. your social media marketing partner


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+43 # William Wagner 2013-07-26 11:57
Amen to that. In many ways, what Obama's is doing is worse than what George Zimmerman did.
+12 # Mrcead 2013-07-26 17:27
Well if you think about it, the country IS already set up to do this, hence the ease and frequency at which it happens (look at the laws, look at the jails).
+21 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-27 00:11
One fact that was not brought up in the trial. Let's say hypothetically, as we do not know, Zimmerman was on the ground. Travon on top. Does Zimmerman have a right to kill when he could have fired a warning shot? Bill Maher's show a week ago, Bill's comment:"The whole country of Germany, last year, only 89 rounds were fired by the police. 49 were warning shots. Other than the fact that U.S.A. is a very violent country, why do we tolerate a murder when a warning shot could have settled the matter. Someone were to shoot a warning shot at me, similar situation, I would leave so fast you could watch my smoke.
-8 # arquebus 2013-07-27 11:01
As you advocate "warning shots", perhaps you might consider a couple of facts. Where is that warning shot going to someone's head 300 yards away as they sit watching TV? Even a bullet fired straight up returns to earth with lethal can kill.

And, there is nothing more dangerous than a wounded animal...especi ally a human type animal.
+4 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-27 14:00
Good point. Might be anecdotal reasoning to necessarily think that a warning shot would accidentally create a 100 % chance of hitting, hurting someone. But, it could happen. Take your thoughts a step forward. What are the chances the fired bullet could, would land in a tree, on a roof top, on the grass? How much square footage will roof tops and trees, grass occupy on a piece of property as compared to the very small square footage a human will occupy on that same piece of property. The principle of the double effect is that one chooses the option that creates the least evil, damage. there ia a 100
% chance a bullet will kill a human when shot at and thru the heart at very close range. What is the probability, is it a 100 % probability that a warning shot will accidentally kill an innocent person who just happens to be straying in the direction of the falling bullet? When cops have a street or residential shoot out, when have you heard of a stray bullet killing anyone? I know it does happen. But, I in my life time have not heard of a stray bullet accidentally killing another. I'm just saying, I would take that chance, use the warning shot if I had a gun and I was attacked as Zimmerman "says" he was.
+7 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-27 14:08
When I was much younger, I used to hunt deer in Wisconsin. I, in my ripe old age simply do not want to hunt anymore. Can't do it. I do know when a deer is shot, wounded, they are smart enough to figure out in which general direction their attacker is located. Believe me, shortly, they are gone if able to run. They don't ask questions like, "why are you shooting at me? What have you got against me?" And they don't say, "somehow, I'll get you for this!!!"
+1 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-27 22:03
Pleaase go to a "less civilized" country, such as Germany. Tell the police commissioners that "here in da America, we do not just fire warning da shots. We do da real ting. We goes for da kill. Ha ha ha!!!!!" You most likely will be deported.
+3 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-28 16:24
Your lest sentence, "anr there is nothing more dangerous than a wounded animal.... especially a human type animal"

Yes, it is true. Zimmerman was and is a dangerous animal. Glad you, we agree. He was and is now psychologically very much wounded and dangerous.
-6 # jayray 2013-07-27 13:05
[quote name="Eldon J. Bloedorn"]One fact that was not brought up in the trial. You must have missed the part of the trial where a witness identified Martin as the one on top attacking GZ in an MMA "ground & pound" position. The same witness ran outside and arrived just after the shot was fired to see GZ trying to get out from under TM. I suspect the reason he didn't fire a "warning shot" was that he panicked out of fear for his life. "Before you hate, criticize and choose" put yourself in his shoes.
+5 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-27 15:15
TO:JAYRAY You do bring up some interesting points. Your last point, "Before you hate, critize and choose" put yourself in his shoes. When does logical thinking become hatred? I'm wondering if you listened to the medical doctor who said, George Zimmerman "experienced only skin scrapes to the back of his head." That that testimony simply did not suggest that Travon Martin had placed Zimmerman in a "ground and pound" position. How much credability to the story? ....the witness who said "to see GZ trying to get out from under TM?" It was raining and dark that night. Now as to your last statement, ....put yourself in his shoes." Sorry, I simply don't fit in a murder's shoes, OK? This incident would not have happened if a "wannabe cop" who was rejected from performing as a real cop and therefore could not fill the shoes of a real cop, developed a trigger finger for a black man. Christ, in the whole country of Germany last year, all police officers, entire country, only fired 89 rounds and 40 of those rounds were warning shots. German police-restrain ed. German's, students excell in math in science, some of the best in the world. A mark of wisdom. The U.S. ranks 25th in the world. Sorry, U.S. is quite dumb in wisdom. Some U.S. citizens still would love to be, join the KKK and kill blacks for the "fun" of it. Zimmerman had a trigger finger. His trigger finger "spoke to his brain." The brain responded. Zimmerman's father, a judge. They, judges know how to "rig" the "evidence, a trial"
+2 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-28 12:58
First kill, then ask if "am I doing the right thing? What the hell Just another human being dead. Coulda been just as easily killed in an auto accident. no big deal!"
+8 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-26 18:55
A school bus driver would pick up different nationality kids and bus them to racially integrated schools. Unfortunately, during his daily route, racial fights would break out. He was quite good at putting out daily fights. One day, the driver got whacked in the back of the head with a thrown large green apple. He calmly drove into a parking lot, stepped on the brakes, stopped the bus and said, "OK kids, everbody outside and form a single line." Further, he said, "you know, I'm a part-time chemist. I've developed a pill that when taken with a little water, we will all turn green. Then we will not have the whites against the blacks, blacks against the whites, Latinos against the Chinese. Here is a cup of water, your pill, for each of you, down the hatch. Has everybody taken their pill?" Kids? "Yes." OK, I see you are now all a beautiful green. Now back into the bus. By the way, dark greens in the back, light greens in the front."

Well, there has to be a little humor in racial tension for the weekend.
+1 # Rita Walpole Ague 2013-07-29 05:48
Yes, William W., correct you are. Time to LEAVE NAIVE.

And, kudos to Briana Madden for a great, 'take off the blinders' article. Truth can and does often hurt these days. But a truthful look-see of Oh Bomb Ah, a great and then some karlroving style MSD'er (manipulater, spinner, distracter) is soooooo needed.

If we don't understand the dreadful mistake we made (myself included), in jumping aboard the Oh Bomb Ah train in '08, we are bound to repeat our goof, i.e. Hillary Clinton (Hill the Shill), in 2016.
+1 # geraldom 2013-07-29 12:11
ritaague, I hate having to choose between the lesser of two evils as always seems to be the case whenever we go out & vote. And, like many people, I was fooled by Obama's empty promises in the 2008 presidential election. He seemed so sincere & honest in his speeches, but, unlike most people, it didn't take me very long very soon after he took office in January of 2009 to realize that he lied & that, once again in my many years on this planet, I & the voting base that supported his win in 2008 were royally screwed.

My only problem with your comment is that I know that you aren't implying that Senator John McCain would've been a better choice than Obama, at least I hope not. The only positive thing that I can say about John McCain in 2008 versus Barack Obama, is that at least McCain was more honest in his campaign rhetoric than Obama was. And, in the same respect, I could say the same about Hillary Clinton when she ran against Obama in the primaries, that she was more honest about her agenda than Obama was. That's why I supported Obama over Clinton. It had nothing to do with her gender.

In 2008, if I knew that she had any chance of winning the presidency, I would've voted for a candidate that was not only female, but an Afro-American female, Cynthia McKinney. Unfortunately, she had a snowball's chance in hell of winning, and I couldn't take the chance of McCain winning over Obama.

So, I am asking what would you have suggested we do in 2008 if not Obama?
0 # John S. Browne 2013-09-23 20:35
If you couldn't conscientiously vote for a third-party candidate and vote your conscience come what may [because the globalist candidate is always going to be (s)elected anyway], then don't vote for ANY candidate. Contrary to the brainwashing, it is NOT unpatriotic. It makes you not complicit in the evils that the (s)elected perpetrate once in office; and there's many other ways to fulfill your patriotic duty(ies) without compromising with evil and being complicit in evil, that aren't going to be stolen and/or "flipped" to the "worser of two evils" like your votes likely are. When you can't trust the voting system, how can you conscientiously vote? I personally would rather have clean hands and not have the blood of anyone on them by not having voted for someone who ends up mass-murdering and assassination people as Obama has done and is continuing to do, etc. Otherwise, those who did vote for them, do have the blood of many innocents on their hands. That's not worth living with. But you'd think, with the backwards thinking of most "Amerikans", it supposedly is worth living with. Frack that! It isn't! No matter how anyone cuts that cake or slices that pie, that pie and that cake are still going to bleed. And most "Amerikans" have a lot of blood on their hands. But my conscience, at least on that level, is clear; thank God! Don't be complicit in ANY political evil whatsoever; that's the best way to go. Again, there's no such thing as (a) lesser evil. Evil is evil. Period.
+1 # geraldom 2013-09-24 20:47
Actually, John, if truth be told, I voted for Obama in 2008 thinking that maybe he was being honest, but I did not vote at all for anyone in 2012. I live in the state of Arizona, and a vote for a Obama would have been a complete waste of time being that Arizona is a Republican state when it comes to the presidential election.
0 # John S. Browne 2013-09-25 12:46
Good. Please don't, EVER, get fooled again, my friend.
-64 # indian weaver 2013-07-26 12:00
Exactly. Too bad this lying cowardly homicidal maniac doesn't just drop dead and improve the planet's landscape. His departure from the land of the living wouldn't change anything in our government, but 100s of millions of his worldwide assassination and torture victims would be happier momentarily. And lovers of peace and freedom everywhere could celebrate. Until the next criminal president fires off the drones and cracks whips again to punish anyone who criticizes anything this fascist regime does. Obama is destroying our nation and planet. This is what we get from now on - a doomed nation and planet.
+28 # Erdajean 2013-07-26 13:31
Can't be totally sure what makes one random kid-killer hideous stupid scum and another "OUR GUY -- and don't you dare criticize anything he does!" But we see it here in curious abundance.

Watching the tolls of the drones, the passage of lifetimes of the captives at Guantanamo, the persecution of truth-tellers, etc. etc., I am taken back to Jr. Bush and his excuse for murdering Iraq -- something like, "Well, those people don't LIKE us and we need to get THEM before they get US!"

That is a gruesome, horrific "belief system," so unbearably against what I want to think of as American. If I may state a "belief system" I prefer, it is "Love One Another," and "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Can anyone find "love" in what we are doing to our neighbors around the world, or to our environment, or to our OWN wretchedly (often quietly) poor, afflicted, hungry, helpless and swamped in turmoil?
If so, then ONE of us is pathetically blind to what is the real state of our country, and its leadership.
-45 # arquebus 2013-07-26 14:25
I guess flying airplanes into the WTC and killing thousands was just the terroists way of showing how much they loved us.
+31 # Phlippinout 2013-07-26 16:37
You need a history lesson, oh wait, you are an American and they dont care about history.
+31 # geraldom 2013-07-26 16:40
Quoting arquebus:
I guess flying airplanes into the WTC and killing thousands was just the terroists way of showing how much they loved us.

The constant problem with responding to people who can simply repeat the official BS story put out by the Bush administration that 19 hijackers with boxcutters hijacked four commercial passenger jetliners, crashed one of them into the Pentagon and two into the twin towers, with one crashing into the ground in Pennsylvania, is that the evidence proving an inside job by the Bush administration would take at least four or five postings here on RSN.

9/11 was an inside job by the Bush administration. Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the attacks. It was a false flag event perpetrated by the Bush administration to give them the political capital to wage illegal wars of aggression in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, and who knows how many other countries.

It also gave the Bush administration the political capital to virtually destroy our Constitution and our Bill of Rights, and they've done one hell of a job doing it, haven't they. Even the Obama administration has continued on with Bush's policies of war and aggression and the further degradation of our Constitution and our Bill of Rights, all based on the events that took place on Sept 11th, 2001.
-15 # James38 2013-07-27 02:42
The "inside job" conspiracy stuff is nonsense, Mr Mencher.

We have enough real problems so we don't need to invent insoluble mysteries populated by small armies of invisible and totally unknown people.

There hasn't been an attempt at covert activity thus far that hasn't eventually been exposed - let alone one with the huge crew that would be needed to pull that one off. Absurd.
+10 # geraldom 2013-07-27 13:43
No sir, James38, it's extremely important to point out to the world, to the American people, that 9/11 was in fact an inside job because, as you so nicely put it, we have enough real problems to contend with that we shouldn't complicate matters more than they are. The problem, James38, is that almost all of the problems that we are contending with would not exist if 9/11 never happened.

The vast majority of our problems radiated out from that dastardly crime committed by the Bush admin, the illegal wars of aggression by the U.S. against Afghanistan & Iraq, the murder of well over 2 million people Iraqis alone as a result of an illegal invasion & occupation of the country which doesn't at all include the huge amount of innocent deaths in Afghanistan as a result of the illegal invasion & occupation of that country.

And now additional deaths of innocent civilians, most especially women & children, by illegal U.S. drone attacks in Yemen & Somalia & in so many other so-called sovereign nations.

9/11 has been used by our govt under both Bush & Obama to systematically destroy our Constitution & our Bill of Rights here in the United States. One can even point out in a contorted sought of way that 9/11 has caused the economic collapse in this country by giving the Bush admin such tremendous power & political capital that the Democrats allowed Bush to support Wall Street in their fraudulent & corrupt endeavors.

All of the above just as a result of 9/11.
+10 # geraldom 2013-07-27 13:44
Check out the physical and photographic evidence that day. I don't claim that this was an inside job by Bush because of hearsay.

o The wall and the roof of the Pentagon held steady for at least 30 min before collapsing. It didn't happen at the moment of impact. The only major damage to the building for 30 min was a 16ft diameter hole. This means that the wings, the tail section and the 8ft diameter solid titanium engines of the alleged 757 that hit the building should have been seen on the front lawn of the Pentagon and they weren't there.

o The front lawn of the Pentagon right in front of where the hole was made was perfect. I wish that my lawn looked as good. No burn marks and no indentations from anything hitting it.

o When the wall and roof finally collapsed, no 757 fuselage was found inside the building.

o Each floor of the twin towers in N.Y. were supported by 47 massive steel beams from the very bottom of the building to the very top. The odds of all 47 beams failing at the very same time on the floor where each of the two buildings initially began their collapse is slim to none. The odds of all 47 beams failing on all of the floors that had collapsed and in the perfect floor order is close to infinite.

o Building 7 was only half as tall as the twin towers but twice as wide, and it wasn't even hit by a plane. The odds of all the vertical beam supports in that building failing at the same time and in the perfect order, forget it.
+4 # geraldom 2013-07-27 13:52
I know that no plane, no 757, hit the Pentagon that fateful day. With all of the cameras around the Pentagon, our govt has never ever shown any video showing a 757 hitting the Pentagon, never.

Another thing that I absolutely do know is that the planes that hit the twin towers were not commercial jetliners. They were unmanned and controlled remotely just like the drones we have today. The one plane that was clearly filmed and photographed, the 2nd plane, had a pod attached to the bottom right front part of the fuselage, something that you would never find on a commercial jetliner.

I can also tell you that a 757 hitting the Pentagon wouldn't disintegrate into nothingness. There would be huge chucks of debris on the ground and there aren't any.

There's another piece of evidence that's very interesting. There's a video of the 2nd plane approaching the 2nd tower. It was taken from a distance of at least a mile or more away from a very high vantage point. It caught the 2nd plane about a mile or two away approaching the 2nd tower. When the plane was within a few hundred feet of the tower, what looked like a flame began emanating from where the pod was located on the plane.

As the plane got closer and closer to the building, the flames exiting both sides of the pod became longer, brighter and much more pronounced and remained so until the plane impacted and penetrated the building.

These flames probably ignited the fuel from the plane upon impact.
+5 # geraldom 2013-07-27 14:01
The physical evidence, the videos and the photographs taken that day tell the truth, that the official story put out by the Bush admin, the actual perpetrator of the 9/11 attacks, was pure BS. Everything that took place that day via videos & photographs show that a 757 did not hit the Pentagon, that the two planes that hit the twin towers were not passenger planes, and that the odds of three very large buildings collapsing as if brought down by a controlled demolition right into their own footprint is a virtual impossibility, most especially building 7 that wasn't even hit by a plane.

As long as people like you continue to believe in the fairytale told by our govt as to what happened that day, we will continue to have perpetual wars & death because virtually every discussion as to why we need to sustain these needless wars for world empire almost always comes down to the attacks of 9/11.

I've one more comment to post here giving evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, but I would now ask you to give me your evidence that Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda and 19 hijackers with boxcutters committed this crime, the only condition being that you don't include confessions by detainees who were tortured by our illustrious government. Confessions obtained by torture are not valid in a court of law with the sole possible exception of the Kangaroo courts being held by the Obama administration.
+7 # geraldom 2013-07-27 14:04
I give you the following hard evidence:

Pentagon Attack Photos

Front Lawn Photos of Pentagon Attack

Please show me where the 757 is located in these high quality photos of the Pentagon before the wall & the roof collapsed.

“PDF File Titled ‘Rebuilding America’s Defenses’”

Copy/paste the above URL into a browser, & when the PDF file opens up, hold down the “Ctrl” key & momentarily press the “F” key, & release the “Ctrl” key. A search box should open up. Type in “Pearl Harbor” & click on the right-arrow button to begin the search. It should take you page 51, upper-left corner, of the document. Read that para.

Scroll down to the very bottom of the following page & read the signatories.

Another one of many important facts that you will undoubtedly ignore was that Cheney scheduled a whole slew of military exercises that morning along the east coast that in effect removed most of our military jets away from Washington & N.Y.

Here I’m showing you & pointing out to you only some of the real evidence (along with evidence that I’ve previously mentioned to you) backing up my absolute certainty that the Bush admin perpetrated this crime. Show me your evidence to the contrary over & beyond your gut feelings.
+6 # SageArtisan 2013-07-27 16:53
Yes I enjoyed the recording of Bush before he went into the classroom claiming he had seen the film video of the first plane crashing into the towers and then also saw the film of the second one crashing in to the towers. Um, the film of the first plane crashing into the towers wasn't released until at least a day later, if not longer. So how was he able to watch the first video on the day the attacks happened?

Also, anyone with any intelligence can look at the hole in the Pentagon and see that it wasn't caused by a plane. Nor was there any plane parts found on the ground at either the Pentagon or in that field in PA.

How do box cutting people cause things like that to happen?
+17 # Texas Aggie 2013-07-26 16:59
So what you are saying is that we should be just like the terrorists. Why is that?
+20 # Anarchist 23 2013-07-26 20:54
Oh yes, those Evil Magicians who can repeal the laws of physics! and isn't it curious that the pResident just happened to have an 1800 page bill called the Patriot Act, all ready for the Congress to sign, so quickly that they could not even read it let alone think about, so quickly after 9/11? We are through the Looking Glass as Costner says in movie 'JFK' You might read some spy literature to see how history and reality has been pulled inside out. What you think happened is not what happened. and everything, the nightmare of wars and surveillance for example, stems from that!
+5 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-07-27 17:00
Dick Cheney and George Bush used horrible 9/11 incident, a pivot point to attack Iraq. Why? Saddam H. was exceeding his oil output quota and upsetting world oil prices. Of course, country after country including the United Nations inspectors said, Cheney and Bush are lying about Saddam H. having or is making weapons of mass destruction. Inspectors were "taken off the job." Cheney and Bush authorized the use of D.U. Depleted uranuium ammo. in Iraq. And the results of using this weapon of mass destruction were and are now deadly. Seven to ten fold (not percent) increase in Southern Iraq cancer rates since records were kept before and after the war. Uranium is a very heavy metal. Remove one isotope, so it is useable as a fuel and you have enriched uranium. What happens to the removed isotope which is still 60-70 % as deadly radio active as naturally occurring uranium? Since it is much heavier than lead, it was used as an ammo to penetrate tank shielding, other uses. Bullet enters the tank after penetration. Starts fires, exposes the tank operator to radiation poisoning. Soldier comes home, gets married. More often than not, seriously deformed children are born. This last statement is not carried in the press. Why? Ahhh, "freedom of the press." Right!
+13 # WestWinds 2013-07-26 16:18
>>Can anyone find "love" in what we are doing to our neighbors around the world, or to our environment, or to our OWN wretchedly (often quietly) poor, afflicted, hungry, helpless and swamped in turmoil?
+29 # Moefwn 2013-07-26 15:29
Obama's death would accomplish nothing. Obama's finding his backbone again, and standing up for what he told us he believed in would accomplish a great deal.
+7 # WestWinds 2013-07-26 16:19
In your dreams. Obama has joined the select clutch behind the green velvet curtain and doesn't give a green fig about anything except himself. Get real.
+11 # tbcrawford8 2013-07-26 18:10
Obama's death ... This sounds like a code to encourage an assassination attempt. We are anything but a post-racial nation...just as before but more covert.
-3 # tigerlille 2013-07-26 19:00
Are you out of your mind? Cite me one concrete example of Obama following through on the mandate he was elected to enact. You are in la la land. And by the way, Obama's problem is not lacking a backbone. His problem is a total lack of moral character.
+18 # Anarchist 23 2013-07-26 20:50
Unfortunately he is , like most of our pResidents since JFK was assassinated, just a messenger and front-man for the Oligarchs and the others who really run this country. Until the people wake and see through the system, see their illusions for what they really are, I doubt things will change. OTOH, Mother Nature bats last and I think Her inning is coming up. Game Over!
-1 # holdcraftm 2013-07-27 10:24
Are you speaking of Obama? I only ask because if you are talking about Obama then you have just committed a felony by threatening the President and you can expect cops at your door shortly.
+29 # hbheinze 2013-07-26 13:00
Yes, amen. That's a very valid point that I haven't seen presented anywhere else. The parallel is chilling but true. Thanks for giving us a lot to think about!
+40 # dkonstruction 2013-07-26 13:05
I disagree and condemn the Zimmerman verdict as i disagree and condemn US foreign policy (whether it's Obama or Bush as both have implemented virtually the same policies) but to say that the actions of an individual are the same as the actions of the state is simply wrong.

It's like when the Republicans talk about how you and I (and our families) have a budget and so does the government and so just as you and i have to live within our means so does the government (of course you and i though can't print our own money and the government can so we are not the same in any way shape or form not to mention that the government's budget is based on and paid for out of tax revenues which are dramatically lower due to the ongoing recessions/depr ession but if there was "normal" economic growth again the deficit would not be a problem...not that it really is now in any case but that's a different story and discussion).

I'm sorry but individual street crime, even when perpetrated by self-appointed vigilante's is not the same as state terrorism being perpetrated by the military industrial complex/nationa l security state. By making this analogy, it reduces US foreign policy to simply a matter of individuals i.e., bad Obama or bad W...but it's not just about bad individuals but a whole structural apparatus (i.e., it's the system) that goes back (in terms of US foreign policy) at least 120 years or so (or more if we include the invasion of Native American Lands).
-39 # katela 2013-07-26 13:15
I have given my last dollar to Reader Supported News.
+43 # Diane_Wilkinson_Trefethen_aka_tref 2013-07-26 15:25
Quoting katela:
I have given my last dollar to Reader Supported News.

Could you elaborate? What has RSN done to displease you? Do you expect that RSN will print only essays that present opinions with which you agree? That is called "preaching to the choir." If you do that, how can you broaden your horizons?

I'm a Conservative. I read several RSN articles each day. I learn. Do I always agree? Duh... But I've a much more rounded view of the issues than if I were to have stuck with just pundits who say what I like to hear.

Too many Americans close their minds (ears/eyes) to everything they dislike, to all opinions with which they disagree. Again...

How do you learn or broaden your view of the world if you stay in your own, safe little cubbyhole?
+15 # Texas Aggie 2013-07-26 17:01
And you might have asked katela what exactly did the article say that was incorrect.
+6 # EternalTruth 2013-07-26 20:38
On May 10 you said:

"I am no longer donating to anyone who calls President Clinton "Slick Willie"....sorr y dollars go elsewhere now."

Did u forgive RSN and start supporting them again after that? And if so, what's your beef now? I see no mentions of "slick Willie" in this article. Is it that you support killing people without due process? Do you support killing people who are near people who are suspected terrorists? If so, I understand your outrage.
-7 # Inspired Citizen 2013-07-26 13:23
Unfortunately, Republicans in the House are just as murderous as Obama. Despite Obama violating the 5th and 14th Amendments when he had American Anwar al-Awlaki killed in Yemen, not a peep was heard either in Congress or during the campaign for re-election.

Obama is worse than Zimmerman, far worse; and he should be impeached:
+27 # mjc 2013-07-26 13:26
Brianna, William Wagner, indian weaver, Obama isn't the one responsible for all the sins and evil written above: we all are. We are all stuck with making the best of the two worst choices and we love to tout our decision as the only one possible. But until we as a people are willing to bring down some of the ghastly decisions about guns and gun rights and control of women's bodies and educating our youth in a sane and sensible fashion the Obamas and Zimmermans of this world will have free reign.
+1 # Diane_Wilkinson_Trefethen_aka_tref 2013-07-26 15:34
Quoting mjc:
Brianna, William Wagner, indian weaver, Obama isn't the one responsible for all the sins and evil written above: we all are.

Don't you DARE let SOBama off the hook!!!

I didn't campaign promising a better tomorrow - SOBama did. I didn't promise a return to the principles that made America great. SOBama did. I didn't ask for your vote so I could make things better for the poor, fix the banking inequities, go after the Wall Street crooks and then let my supporters down at every turn - SOBama did.

I haven't ordered anyone killed, violated anyone's Constitutional rights, betrayed my constituents, gone back on my word but - SOBama has.

So don't you DARE equate me to that malevolent purveyor of lies, death, and plutocracy.
+11 # WestWinds 2013-07-26 16:33
Hear! Hear! Exactly.

I don't know why you are a Conservative, tref; they only support the corporations that are behind all of this disastrous mess, but as a life-long Progressive liberal, what you say has merit!

I didn't like BHO first term but I gave him the benefit of the doubt and voted for him (thought he was just a little too slick for my tastes,) but I walked away second term; joined and voted Green Party. To this very day my conscience is clear that I did the correct thing. No way am I supporting such injustice, nor his dictatorship.
+14 # tbcrawford8 2013-07-26 18:18
You attribute enormous power to one man. I'm not a huge fan of much he's done, or failed to do, but he has done better than I think Romney would have done. At least we have a car industry back and a Consumer Protection Bureau to try to reverse the pernicious and pervasive and secretive ALEC attempts to destroy our constitutional government. Specifics speak far louder and more convincingly than angry screed
+5 # James38 2013-07-27 01:20
Thank you tbc.

While I find it hard to understand how Obama can be blind to so many things, I would vote for him in a quick minute again if the same choice was presented.

I might like the Green party better than the two party dance, but the place to elect truly progressive candidates is on the local and Congressional level. Voting Green when the realistic choice actually matters is just nit-picking egoism.

When the Bush-Gore election came down to Florida, Nader refused to encourage his supporters to vote for Gore. Had he done so, his votes would have clearly elected Gore. Nader's egotistical "purity" elected Bush, and thanks to Nader, we got the "War of Lies" in Iraq, thousands of dead and maimed US troops, and who knows how many Iraqis. To my knowledge, Nader still has not admitted his mistake. I find his actions reprehensible and grossly irresponsible. When your actions kill thousands of people, "purity" is no excuse.

Sure, Gore and Obama both have blind spots, but the alternatives were and are a lot worse.

Instead of just condemning Obama, we need to try to encourage him to wake up and do more of the things that really need doing.

Would you rather have tried to convince GW Bush to wake up? First you should practice waking up a telephone pole and teaching it how to shoot pool.
+6 # glyde 2013-07-27 11:19
If Gore had bothered to campaign in his home state, Tennessee, he would have had enough electoral votes to win the election. If he had accepted Clinton's offer to campaign on his behalf, he would have won. Worst of all, the Supreme Court stepped in where it had no authority to do so and gave the WH key to Dubya-something Mrs. O'Connor now says she regrets. No, Nader was not responsible for Gore's failure. Gore was, with help from the conservative Supreme Court beholden to Dubya's father.
+4 # bingers 2013-07-27 06:14
How stupid do you have to be to parrot that crap? I detest some of what Obama has done, mostly the garbage from Bush that he continued, but in his very short window when he had the necessary votes he kept 75% of his promises. The ones he didn't are a result of Republican obstructionism.

And when an American takes up arms against America I don't give the slightest damn if we take him out. And neither did George H. W. Bush.
+52 # Exotikat 2013-07-26 13:33
I disagree with conflating president Barack Obama with George Zimmerman. Obama isn't a wizard who can just stamp his feet and make things happen, or not. This country, as is most of the world, is held in thrall and hostage to huge multinational corporations who are the dictators of our reality, like it or not. Look at why Immigration Reform, such as it is, passed in the Senate. It's because the DOD has another chance to patrol the border with all kinds of expensive hardware, yippee. If we continue to hide our collective heads in the sand regarding who and what really controls our lives, nothing will change. Stop making Obama the scapegoat. That's just silly.
+6 # WestWinds 2013-07-26 16:43
Obama graduated from Harvard Law School, a conveyor belt of Right-wing ideology since the mid 1960's, and then he headed straight for the University of Chicago, home of the Friedman brothers who drafted the Trickle-down theory of economics that we all are suffering under.
Then, if that isn't bad enough, BHO has been going around the world having these secret G-Summit meetings with the invited-only heads of various countries selling them on "austerity". This is where a government changes from being a humanitarian government into a predatory vulture for the sake of these corporations. OBAMA and RAHM EMANUEL are the two culprits selling this rot and bullying/threat ening/intimidat ing the heads of other countries into "austerity" aka PLANNED POVERTY of their citizens to globally cripple all working people so they become economic slaves and hostages to the corporations. If the whole world is functioning under austerity then there is no place to run and working people are forced to remain with their abusive employers no matter what abuse these employers are dishing out.

SO, don't YOU dare defend SHO. He's a crook of the first order and you need to update your dreamy-eyed knowledge of what he is really all about.
+9 # Diane_Wilkinson_Trefethen_aka_tref 2013-07-27 05:39
Quoting Exotikat:
Obama isn't a wizard who can just stamp his feet and make things happen... Stop making Obama the scapegoat.

Part I

The argument that the President is just one man is valid but not when it comes to the Military. The President is the Commander in Chief. If he gives an order, the generals under him are required to obey. So when Obama says:
1) "There will be no more drone strikes," drone strikes will end.
2) "There will be no 'hit list' of American citizens," no more Americans here or abroad will be assassinated.
3) “No person in the custody of the United States military will be tortured,” torture must cease.
4) “ ‘Terrorists’ currently held in military custody will be brought to trial within 6 months or released to their native countries,” this WILL happen.
5) “When American soldiers report violations of international treaties or criminal activities, whether by private contractors working with Armed Forces personnel or by our own military, those charges WILL be thoroughly and promptly investigated and if substantiated, the guilty parties WILL be prosecuted in the appropriate courts,” that too will happen.

In short, every major policy executed by the American military IS under the President’s direct and Constitutional control. It is ENTIRELY right to hold him responsible for every violation of human, international or Constitutional rights ORDERED by highly ranked military officers, especially if HE HIMSELF gives those orders.
+9 # Diane_Wilkinson_Trefethen_aka_tref 2013-07-27 05:46
@ Exotikat
Part II

In addition, while Obama is just one man, that fact does not preclude his acting with conscience, courageously, and in defense of the Constitution. That is what true patriots do. And don’t go Pelosi/Feinstei n on me with that secrets-are-nec essary-to-our-m ilitary-efforts crap. The end does NOT justify the means. The oath of office taken by the President is to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.” This means it is the President’s sworn duty to veto any bill that comes before him which contains provisions which clearly violate the Constitution. That Barack Obama has signed the NDAA authorizations shows that he does not have the moral fiber to “defend the Constitution” in the face of pressure from the puppet masters. For this we are amply justified in leveling the severest of criticisms. If he can’t stand the heat, he should get the hell out of the kitchen.
+1 # mjc 2013-07-27 07:35
Exotikat, maybe you need to read my post again. Neither Obama nor Zimmerman could or should or did "stamp" their feet to make things happen. The murder of Trayvon Martin was guaranteed by the SYG law of Florida. The growth of the surveillance of most of American communication and the power of our military certainly didn't begin with Obama, only tightened and modernized under Obama.
+3 # Robert B 2013-07-26 13:43
This is the most appalling article I've seen from RSN. I'm thoroughly disgusted with you guys.
+6 # EternalTruth 2013-07-26 20:49
Why? Where is this article wrong?
+48 # HowardMH 2013-07-26 14:02
Agree and lets break this down to just how bad people are being screwed every day.

Check this one out. A Supervisor at KFC in NYC works a 65 hour week for $8.00 an hour. Instead of being paid $12.00 (that is time and a half for all hours over 40 hours worded in a week), she gets paid for 35 hours at $8.00 and the other 30 hours is paid to her the NEXT WEEK (at $8.00 an hour) that she doesn't work at all. And that people is how the average person is being so totally screwed by the big corporations. If the supervisor complains, then they find some trumped up reason to let her go and bring on the next very desperate employee.
+21 # WestWinds 2013-07-26 16:47
And don't forget that these corporations are not paying with checks, they are paying with pre-paid bank cards. And when you go to a cash-tel to get your money, you get slammed with a raft of transaction fees, so you only get a portion of your earnings once the banksters get finished raping you and your paycheck.

Why haven't any of you all read this??? It's been all over the internet for weeks.
+30 # reiverpacific 2013-07-26 14:12
The current Corporate State death-culture with it's monstrous, planet-threaten ing and polluting, lumbering war-machine of a military -bigger than the next 26 nations combined- dedicated to maintaining and enhancing the obscene profits of an increasingly few but with no national health system, crumbling infrastructure, public education and Social Security under attack and practically no social safety net, didn't just happen overnight.
It has been gradually, increment by ruthless increment, inculcated in the in the increasingly drone-like citizenry by the rulers and their monopoly media that Capitalism= Democracy=freed om, Socialism is evil, war is necessary for peace (very Orwellian that one) and American exceptionalism exempts it from the rules the owners of the government by, for and of the plutocracy, uses its destructive influence to force other nations to play by.
D'you really think a president who doesn't follow these maxims to the letter would even be allowed to run, let alone be elected?
-13 # TerryGips 2013-07-26 14:22
This is an unacceptable title. I'm quite disappointed feel it fits your request to not use vitriol.
-50 # arquebus 2013-07-26 14:23
Might it not be appropriate to remember that at the time Zimmerman shot Martin, Martin had him pinned to the ground and was bashing his head against the sidewalks (Zimmerman had the wounds to prove it). That is an action that could cause death or serious lifetime injury.

All those people who are so down on Zimmerman should ask themselves what they would do if a big young adult male (of any race or ethnicity)was bashing their head into the ground and they couldn't escape. Would these people really just lay they and let Martin kill them or would they resist with whatever weapon that came to hand.

What transpired 5 minutes before the shot is irrelevant. In that situation, the only thing relevant was Zimmerman's justly held perspective that his life was in danger.
+18 # Regina 2013-07-26 15:41
So only the NRA way is acceptable for "standing one's ground"?Trayvon was not allowed to fight back? Or is the real issue the color of his skin and his hoodie? Was Zimmerman wearing a proper white-executive suit? Or just white skin? Yes, I know about his Peruvian mother -- that doesn't make him Latino. She isn't mestizo.
-25 # arquebus 2013-07-26 17:07
You know....if there was a shred of evidence that there was any bodily contact before Martin punch Zimmerman or that Zimmerman threatened or accosted Martin, you might have an argument that Martin was just defending himself. But, there just isn't...the evidence is that Zimmerman merely followed Martin...hardly what a rational reasonable person would call threatening or reveal a need for any kind of self-defense. What you are arguing is that Zimmerman merely using the same sidewalk as Martin was somehow an attack on the young man.
+14 # Mrcead 2013-07-26 18:25
Any woman in America would have been nervous if a strange man were following her by car and no court would question how she would have felt in that instance - but no pity for the kid who "looks bad". Martin had a right to be on that sidewalk. In fact, Martin passed by more than one person that night WITHOUT incident (we see him on video in the store, paid for his things and left, no problem, no one else called 911 before Zimmerman to report Martin). So for Zimmerman to get released, there had to be a logic bubble created just for him that ignored catalytic events that caused him to be on the receiving end of an unwarranted beat down - since the average person does not need to defend themselves regularly.

What else have you got? I can do this all night.
-9 # arquebus 2013-07-26 19:53
Of course Martin had a right to be on that sidewalk. So did Zimmerman. You may have a point about women....I'm not a woman and certainly don't know all the women in America. I know I wouldn't be fearful and I doubt if most males I know would either. If you are going to be paranoid about people walking behind you on a sidewalk, might want to stay out of cities.
+6 # Alexis Fecteau 2013-07-27 01:42
And Zimmerman had the right to hunt down an innocent teenager with skittles and tea, threaten him, and murder him in cold blood. Just ask the jury, it is codified in FL law. Maybe you should move there so you can start your minority hunting...
+6 # Mrcead 2013-07-27 06:04
Fearful? Maybe not, agitated - most definitely and Sanford is hardly a city and sidewalks are mainly found on the high streets and inside subdivisions - I've been there and it's an angry little town on a good day. In many places, the thought is "If I'm gonna die, I'm going out swinging" That's standing one's ground, that's a macho American way to think isn't it? Martin was well within his rights to pound on Zimmerman for breaching his personal space (which is a threat) under Florida law, the thing is, the law wasn't written for people like Martin. Florida expects folk to "know their place" and martin was "supposed" to bow his head to and yield to anyone whiter or richer than he who wished to exercise authority over him. That is just how Florida is - very hierarchical socially. Feel free to debate this I will just keep handing you instances that support what I've said.

Martin didn't even get to know the name of his killer. That should have been the first conversation in that confrontation.
+7 # bingers 2013-07-27 06:26
Every single person Zimmerman called the police about during his make believe Neighborhood Watch history was black. If that isn't profiling then arquebus is the queen of Siam.
+29 # Timaloha 2013-07-26 17:24
"Zimmerman had the wounds to prove it..." (head bashing, etc) Not on the video of him entering the police station soon after the shooting. No bleeding, no bruised nose, no confusion or apparent ill effects. Funny how he wasn't diagnosed with a broken nose until a full day later.
+21 # Mrcead 2013-07-26 18:17
Sorry, but if someone were bashing your head into the concrete and you felt it was life threatening, why skip the ER? Why skip an MRI? Zimmerman passed the checks for concussion by the EMT's and police. He was VERY alert and coherent in the videos in the police station. The officers unconcerned about his injuries - that much we gather from their body language. Zimmerman's gait was brisk and solid. Not indicative of a man who had his life threatened an hour or so earlier.

With that said, how many people do you know get themselves into situations where their heads get bashed into concrete? I don't know of any. Most people AVOID such - the entire case of the pro Martin crowd.

If I back my car over your child - certainly it was an accident.

But I am definitely responsible, end of.
-11 # arquebus 2013-07-26 19:56
So you are saying that Martin's attack on Zimmerman...who had not attacked him...was justified? Wow! You are now saying that one person can beat another and claim self-defense even though he has not been accosted or attacked. Interesting.
+9 # Mrcead 2013-07-26 21:05
The first punch rule is for high school, not real life. Provocation to violence through taunting, threats or goading has been used in court and upheld many times. You cannot pick a fight, intentionally or unintentionally and then rely on the law to save your bacon. I'm sorry but after the dust settled, Zimmerman was completely wrong about Martin. If he'd have been right, that's one thing but he wasn't. We're talking whole ball of wax here.
+2 # Alexis Fecteau 2013-07-27 01:43
Of course we believe the murderer, on his word alone, with a violent history of domestic violence...are you brain dead? How did you learn to write?
+6 # bingers 2013-07-27 06:33
Well, there is absolutely no proof that Martin attacked Zimmerman, but even if he did, under Florida's stand your ground law he had a perfect right to do so. Also under that law Zimmerman, who initiated the contact had no right to defend himself and his only legitimate action was to run away, because the person initiating the confrontation has NO stand your ground rights. Or are you claiming Martin pulled Zimmerman from his car? That would be the only legitimate reason for the action that ensued.

But never mind facts. Do as the prosecutor, defense attorney, judge and jury did.

Your hero is an unconvicted first degree murderer. He's lucky there are so many racists involved in this affair.
+12 # Anarchist 23 2013-07-26 21:00
I see that you apparently fail to watch CSI or you would know that when a fight takes place, DNA is exchanged and yet no DNA of Martin's was on Z and nothing of Z was on Martin. Magic again!
+3 # Alexis Fecteau 2013-07-27 01:38
[quote name="arquebus" ]Might it not be appropriate to remember that at the time Zimmerman shot Martin, Martin had him pinned to the ground and was bashing his head against the sidewalks (Zimmerman had the wounds to prove it). "

Said the cold-blooded racist murderer to the jury, with no evidence other than self-inflicted injuries days later to cement the defense.

You're an idiot.
+8 # bingers 2013-07-27 06:24
No, but it would be appropriate that every bit of the evidence shows that Zimmerman wasn't being bashed. Except for a small scrape treated by a Band-Aid by a paramedic Zimmerman had NO injuries when he was brought into the police station and after 2 hours there he was battered and bloody.

What happened? I can picture two scenarios. One, the cops said "George, if you look like that you'll be convicted of murder, this will hurt, but it'll make stupid people believe you had a good reason to murder the n*****."

Or, and there's not much evidence that Zimmerman has the intelligence to figure it out on his own, he realized the same thing and beat his own head on the wall in lockup.
+16 # Kathymoi 2013-07-26 14:24
You're right. And Obama didn't comment for days. He must have received an enormous amount of mail asking him to take a stand against the verdict. He's very good at posturing when he needs to.
+13 # Cappucino 2013-07-26 14:33
Articles like this are all very good and well, but guess what was in my mailbox exactly two messages down from this one...

Tea Party: We Can't Impeach Him Without You!

No president has ever been attacked by the right wing like Obama has been. I am good and sick and tired of liberals eating their own and acting as if we live in some kind of ideal storybook fairytale world where we actually could have expected a sitting president to act differently. We don't. Work for that kind of world, but understand that this is reality and that we do not have it. It isn't rational to behave as if we do.
+15 # WestWinds 2013-07-26 16:53
>> No president has ever been attacked by the right wing like Obama has been.
+7 # tigerlille 2013-07-26 18:55
I believe that President Clinton was attacked far more d impeached. Don't jump to any conclusions here - I can't stand Clinton or Obama. In Obama's case the right wing has found a far more effective way to disable him, but they still support the Obama endorsed policies of an unjust war, torture, war crimes, and kow towing to the banksters.
+3 # mphilip 2013-07-26 15:08
Cappucino hit the nail on the head...the author of this article should read his or her comment until it sinks in. The Left is irrelevant in American politics precisely because it "eats it own." If one can't understand that the President must deal with the world as it is, not as we might like it to be, then the President must rightly consider us irrelevant. To give him advice respectfully is a far cry from this half baked rant! It is not respectful, rational or civil on its tone. Shame!
+12 # WestWinds 2013-07-26 16:58
How can you be so naive? The Left doesn't eat its own unless it is merited.

What you fail to realize, even though it's been on every blog coming and going for years, is that BHO ran on a liberal platform but once in office he moved Right (calling himself a "moderate" but acting like any other Far Right corporately own politician.)

If BHO was doing what his base constituency sent him there to do, we wouldn't be taking him to task. That's the difference between eating ones own without cause and taking someone to task for screwing up the job.

You've only got pieces of the puzzle and really don't have the whole picture, mphilip.
+10 # Vardoz 2013-07-26 16:07
I wondered if Obama would be bared from various European nation because of war crimes.
+7 # indian weaver 2013-07-26 18:52
Switzerland, Malaysia and Scotland have all issued War Crimes indictments against dubya This is why dubya had to cancel a trip to / thru Switzerland some years back. Obama paid off Spain about a year ago to quash their own developing indictment for War Crimes against dubya. Obama is also, at the same time, responsible for "making" Spain minimize their most respected human rights lawyer, the one composing the indictment against dubya. (Spain may have jerked his license to practice, I forget what Spain actually did to that lawyer). I hope (futilely I suppose) Switzerland issues a War Crimes indictment against Obama. That country is respected. It's indictment against dubya, and coming soon against Obama (honored with the Nobel Peace Prize!) was / will be welcomed by civilized humans worldwide.
+15 # Old Uncle Dave 2013-07-26 16:12
I have no doubt the "progressive" community of "liberals" would be loudly decrying the drone strikes if a republican president was signing off on them.
+2 # bingers 2013-07-27 06:40
Sadly there wasn't much of that under Dumbya who sent plenty of drones of his own, although, admittedly, less than Obama. But apparently you haven't been listening or watching, Dave, liberals have been condemning the hell out of Obama for the drones while the right has been supporting him except when they can use it against him for PR.

"How can you be so naive? The Left doesn't eat its own unless it is merited."

Where have you been? The left has a self destructive habit of making the perfect the enemy of the good.
+1 # B-Aware 2013-07-26 16:48
Cappucino and mphilip are absolutely correct. When you have a bit of experience running large organizations with lots of others with power and opinions, you will realize that politics is truly the art of the possible, not the mandates of a dictator. Obama makes mistakes, and he frequently takes positions I would not like to take; but he is so far better than any alternative that I rejoice every day that he is in office. I think he has done a sad job of running Treasury and dealing with Wall Street--but when I consider what the other side might have done I get the cold sweats.

Criticize his decisions when you must, but do it with respect and always make sure your overall support shows through. Otherwise, you are part of the problem, not the solution.
-5 # BKnowswhitt 2013-07-26 18:07
Though she makes a point about Obama executing the War on Terror which is a real threat at least. So is the threat of arming the masses er idiots. Martin case bears that out. As far as an analogy that Obama is on bad moral ground on Drones that this somehow keeps him from a view on the T Martin Case. It's a bad analogy. And really two differing subject matters whether one agrees or disagrees with the W on T ....
+7 # BKnowswhitt 2013-07-26 18:10
To clarify further. The war on terror 'threat' is not just terrorism. It's the extent which Bin Laden successfully 'played' the west and USA. Obama as commander in chief and also 'Chief Politician' has to regard it due to the pressure put on him by the job itself and the war mongers in the USA ... So the more the USA over reacts to so called threats .. the more Bin Laden keeps on winnin' though he's been dead and out of it a while ...
+1 # tbcrawford8 2013-07-26 18:27
Why did Zimmerman persist in following Martin when the police asked him not to? Why wouldn't you expect a young African-America n male to expect he was being threatened by a white male following him? Who among you would choose to walk in Martin's shoes?
I suppose Ms. Madden trying to get some cred as an astute, won't back down, my book she totally failed.
+6 # futhark 2013-07-26 19:02
Acting the proverbial "broken record" here, until we get back to dealing with the failed investigation of 9/11, little is going to be settled on these issues. The "bad guys" on which Cheney and Bush sicced (yes, that's the correct word) the American military post 9/11 were, in all probability and consistent with objective evidence and reason, were not the guilty parties at all. The whole "War on Terror" from the Afghanistan invasion, to the Iraq invasion, to the drone attacks, to the intrusive surveillance of the whole world populace, have been based on a BIG LIE generated by Cheney/Bush and embraced by America's political leaders and mainstream media on behalf of the military-indust rial complex, the state surveillance apparatus, and our "good friends" in Zionist Israel.

Let's look at the evidence and put Cheney, Bush, and Obama on trial at the International Court of Justice for war crimes.
-14 # nsmorris 2013-07-26 19:41
Harold Mencher, the loved ones of 3,000 victims of TWC would love to read your distorted, insane history of 9/11. Shame on you! Indian weaver,your hatred of Obama knows no bounds. Shame on you! d kinstruction, if you are so intent on remolding society, run for office...but no doubt the people here will tar and feather you. Riverpacific,yo u hate drones, but you do drone on and on and on.
And your remarks are killing a lot of people in the process. Sort of verbal
collateral damage.
-1 # geraldom 2013-07-29 09:11
nsmorris, what you deem as my distorted, insane history of 9/11 is not distorted or insane. You either have your blinders on & absolutely refuse to view the real factual evidence of that day, or you are, in some way, a govt plant on this chat room.

Where in those high quality pictures that I reference is the debris of the alleged 757 that crashed into the Pentagon? It's simply not there & a 757 did not penetrate & fully enter the building if the roof & wall of the building had held up for at least 30 minutes.

Unlike people like you who simply spew out rhetoric, words, empty statements, without any actual evidence to back them up, I'm showing you physical evidence that is irrefutable, that makes absolutely no sense based on the BS official story put out by the Bush admin, an admin that is more known for its lies than for its truth.

As far as the so-called loved ones of the 3,000 victims of that tragedy, unlike people like you who have their heads stuck in the sand, they deserve to know the truth, they want to know the truth of what happened that day. And, what about the 2 million Iraqis that that were murdered by the U.S. and who knows how many Afghans? Don't they have any human value as well?

And, if you can't see what our govt has turned into in the 12 years since 9/11, the destruction of our Constitution and our Bill of Rights, the change in our overall court system at the federal, state & local levels into kangaroo courts, then I feel sorry for you.
-5 # pbitondo 2013-07-26 20:30
I was disappointed in Briana Madden's take on Obama. On the other hand, RSN is just that and get support from readers. There are people out there who will send RSN a check after reading Briana's column. Her column will not change minds but could bring in money from the right.
0 # Milarepa 2013-07-27 00:47
Usually the commentary on RSN is as informative and interesting as the posts being commented upon. That's great. I've just read almost all the comments, and learned a lot. It doesn't matter whether or not I agree, I get the information conveyed. As far as BHO goes, a picture can tell more than a thousand words. This particular photo of him tells a lot more than a thousand words might.
-1 # holdcraftm 2013-07-27 10:20
If we want to remain factual in our evaluation of the Zimmerman trial, then this article is not the place to begin. This article says that Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon. The evidence and all testimony shows just the opposite. When the 911 operator asked Zimmerman to describe Trayvon he did so without any reference to Trayvon's race. It was the operator who asked about race and Zimmerman wasn't sure, but he might be black. Trayvon was focused on because he was an unfamiliar person in that neighborhood. Race became an issue in this case only after the news media made a big deal of it and they didn't get it right even then. They (the media) described it as a "white on black" crime. They convicted Zimmerman before any of the reals facts came out. hey are still doing it. Why? It sells - it makes them money - GREED!
0 # nsmorris 2013-07-27 11:48
Oh, so the news media convicted poor Zimmerman, right? Check your own racial bias at the door before you charge news people. The long term outcome of this case will prove you wrong.
+2 # James Marcus 2013-07-27 13:46
No Comparison. Pre-meditated Mass Murder, daily. DAILY! And Subversion of the US Constitution.
Try, for crimes Against Humanity.
NO COMPARISON.... to Zimmerman!
+1 # da gaf 2013-07-27 16:13
too much said positive and negative..the human mind can go either good or bad within seconds..and bias haunts us all..who is right and who is wrong..and after millions of years this insane drama has endured in this so-called civilized world..instead we should all consider that our own lifespan is so vulnerable any moment we can disappear back to the five elements..why not we can just celebrate what time we have left here on earth? please give it some thought.
0 # tomo 2013-07-27 17:12
1) There's a tendency to say: "Well at least Obama isn't as bad as the Republicans." The reason Republicans have such a hard time faulting Obama for his foreign policy is that he's made their policy his own.
2) When Obama picks someone for death-by-drone as he sips his morning coffee, it's not because this person has been found by a juridical process to have harmed us. I doubt even that it is regularly because he has found beyond reasonable doubt that this person intends to harm us. My hunch is that often the most he has to go on is that he can't confidently rule out the possibility this person would harm us if given the opportunity.
3) Cheney has complained that Obama has co-opted his foreign policy without giving Cheney credit. This complaint is quite reasonable. The logic of "Shock and Awe" (: Since we don't know Saddam DOESN'T have weapons-of-mass -destruction, let's smash his country to pieces, and let's get Saddam executed as a part of the deal)has become the foreign-policy logic of Obama.
4) Because Zimmerman was not comfortable with Martin's presence in the gated community, he followed him and eventually killed him. In this, Zimmerman personifies the attitude of our nation as a member of the world community. For this reason, I propose Zimmerman be recognized as "American of the Year." But I think he should share this notoriety with our President.
0 # jtatu 2013-07-29 08:16
The headline here suggests an obvious but ignored fact: Obama is just as "white" as Zimmerman.
0 # LAellie33 2013-08-23 19:23
All the Obama haters think they know it all and they are so in the dark it isn't funny.

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