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Feldman writes: "Maher ... argued that 'at some point, obstruction becomes... treason.' Moore agreed, going so far as to say that Republicans 'hate America.'"

Portrait, Michael Moore, 04/03/09. (photo: Ann-Christine Poujoulat/Getty)
Portrait, Michael Moore, 04/03/09. (photo: Ann-Christine Poujoulat/Getty)


Michael Moore: "They Hate America"

By Josh Feldman, Mediaite

18 May 13

 

ill Maher and Michael Moore both tore into Republicans over the GOP-led House voting for the 37th time to repeal Obamacare. Maher rolled his eyes and argued that "at some point, obstruction becomes... treason." Moore agreed, going so far as to say that Republicans "hate America."

Maher pointed to Republicans blocking major Obama appointments, saying that now the opposition is "more about hating [Obama] than loving your country." Moore unloaded on the GOP and argued that they have seriously sinister motives for opposing everything Obama does.

"I think these conservatives and right-wingers really-for as much as they say they love this country-they hate it. They hate the government. They hate people... why is the government the big, evil bastard here?"

Maher mockingly intoned, "'Cause, Mike, it got taken over by a Kenyan socialist, that's why!"

Moore did find a grain of optimism in young people rejecting a lot of what the Republican party believes in, saying "they're not bigots and they're not haters." He called the GOP a mere "squealing dinosaur" whose time has come.

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+101 # Activista 2013-05-18 12:55
It is system ... GOP and Democrats are controlled by MONEY ... check Billionaires Unchained .here at RSN
Playing GOP x Democrat game fits American football culture .my team etc.. but the problem is systemic ...
 
 
+153 # MainStreetMentor 2013-05-18 16:58
I don’t think the Republicans “hate America”. What they hate is: they don’t own it. Democrats, (in fact ALL persons not conservative), are seen as impediments to their ownership … they are the speed-bumps in the conservative rush to buy it. And … they only want to buy and own it long enough to sell it … to the highest bidder, (they’d even sell it to our arch enemy(s) whomever they might be at the time of the sale). We’ve seen proof in how they couldn’t wait to rush American jobs to foreign shores in the names of “profits”; the Koch bros want to own every newspaper of any note, so they can first pitch, and then “sell”, their right winged avarice. All conservatives cannot see past their bank books. They cannot foresee, that once everything is sold they will have no freedom, no safety and … no country.
 
 
+109 # grandma lynn 2013-05-18 19:05
Today's New York Times' front-page story about by-product-of-s hale oil is black / polluting coke. Piled up high, now, along the Detroit River. Oxbow Corporation salls about 11 million tons of fuel-grade coke a year - it is owned by William I. Koch, brother of David and Charles. It goes to be burned in Mexico and China - hell! as if we don't all have to breathe the same air, ultimately.
As if our Mother Earth and survival of the planet REALLY DON'T MATTER. Koch brothers are purely evil. If a Satan is on earth, it's embodied in them.
 
 
+51 # WestWinds 2013-05-18 21:53
No, once they sell it the game goes on when they have to figure out how to steal it back again so they can sell it again. There is no end to their circular salesmanship. It's called renewable cash flow and these clowns live for nothing else because they are so vacuous as human being. Somewhere in their past they never got basic nurturing and so they are as cold, vacant and remote as any living creature can get. Most of these folks are alcoholic and come from alcoholic families; they are just shut down to anything human, like compassion. They get their kicks by being in control and being able to inflict pain, suffering and death. Just look at George W. Bush and his history with frogs. Sick. To call them Zombie's is about right.
 
 
+24 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-05-18 23:22
I'm 72 years old. I have come to the conclusion that whatever we say about the Republican mind, we need to include the real possibility of not divine insanity but a mild form (or worse) of insanity.
 
 
+5 # NanFan 2013-05-20 12:14
Quoting Eldon J. Bloedorn:
I'm 72 years old. I have come to the conclusion that whatever we say about the Republican mind, we need to include the real possibility of not divine insanity but a mild form (or worse) of insanity.


Mild? Hardly...the insane are driving the bus...not good...not mild...anyone who votes for them are lemmings being led over their abyss, created to truly get rid of those of us that, yes, Michael, they hate!

N.
 
 
+3 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-05-20 13:32
They simply want to destroy Democracy.
 
 
+4 # larrypayne 2013-05-21 21:05
I'm a year older than you, Eldon. Unfortunately it has taken most of my life for me to realize that the two parties are the same. They claim to have different goals but once they are in office they have the same policies.

I supported the Democratic party for most of my life and voted for Obama in 2004. Obama's total reversal of his campaign promises revealed to me once and for all that there is little difference in how the two parties govern.

Both parties serve the corporate sector. The rich get exponentially richer while us working people see our prospects constantly degraded and our rights stripped away with each false flag operation conducted by those in power.

It is a form of insanity to believe the Democrats when all they have done is continue the Bush policies and add some of their own that are even worse.
 
 
+3 # Jack Gibson 2013-05-22 13:21
Greetings, Larry. You are so right, but we can't be heard here without being "smacked-down" and/or "voted-down" into oblivion. As you well know, most people both "Left" and "Right" are still totally fooled by and falling for the "left-right paradigm" and the "divide and conquer" strategy(ies) that the corporate-fasci st globalists have designed to keep most of us from seeing what's really going on, and from enough of us non-violently rising up en masse to stop it. They keep the "liberals" spinning their wheels and only carrying out ineffective protests because enough people won't protest. Yes, more people are dissenting as things get worse and worse for "the middle class", and more and more Americans become intentionally impoverished by the corporate-fasci sts, but the latter have planned for this, and will soon carry out literal warfare against the American people on the streets of America. In other words, the more that dissent and rebellion increases and takes place, as the oligarchy has prepared for, the more the pitiless and merciless police and military forces of the globalist corporate-fasci sts will crackdown on and crush it. They don't care how many heads they bash in and bones that they break. There was a picture years ago, probably still available on the net, of a defenseless woman protester with her leg so badly broken by the police oppressors, making her even more defenseless, that her leg was completely bent in the wrong direction at the knee.

- Continued -
 
 
+2 # Jack Gibson 2013-05-22 13:47
Speaking of being "smacked-down", the neoliberal shill-trolls who are, more and more successfully, infiltrating these "liberal" comment sections, and for some reason are not being stopped by those websites (as if I didn't already know why), have successfully gotten me banned from one of those, in reality neoliberal, sites. Those so-called "right-wing" shill trolls banded together and reported my comments until that website kicked me out and won't let me comment there at all anymore. The site sent me an email message that they rely on the commenters for who "must be" banned. Isn't it something when so-called "liberal" websites listen to the opposition's shill-trolls to censor, and violate and curtail, the free speech of non-"right-wing ", true constitutionali sts like myself? It goes to show that far too many "liberals" have little or no respect for and loyalty to the supreme law(s) of this land embodied in the U.S., and state, Constitution(s) and Bill(s) of Rights, as well as for those laws' very first and foundational clause(s) and principles concerning freedom of speech. If one doesn't completely agree with them, as far as they're concerned those who disagree with them should have no free speech where the former speak freely. It's a one-sided conundrum where they who expect completely unfettered free speech for themselves, seek to have little or no unfettered free speech granted to dissenting voices. Oh how far we, as a nation and a people, have fallen!
 
 
+28 # Cassandra2012 2013-05-19 13:09
Do not dignify these depraved hustlers with the term 'conservative', they are not 'conserving' anything — what they really are is rightwing radical extremists, and some of them, like Cheney anmd Rove and Norquist, creeping/creepy fascists.
 
 
+10 # MylesJ 2013-05-20 11:51
How many people know that part of the Bush family fortune was involved in weapons and war materials?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
 
 
+9 # artic fox 2013-05-19 08:26
You all need to read Professor Edmund Preis's article in the (Toronto) Star of April 12, 2011 to see the root case of the teabaggers attempts to ruin this country:


http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1038961--apocalyptic-crisis-budgeting .
 
 
+1 # Depressionborn 2013-05-20 13:48
Thanks Activista, for the wisdom.

The Cream & Crap Law - In an honest free market, cream rises to the top. In a politicized market, crap rises to the top. (Author unknown)

Oops:
"Politics is religion applied to economics".

So how do you solve that?
 
 
+2 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-05-20 16:42
TO: #DEPRESSIONBORN
The contradiction you present. A free market is not honest. Which is another way of saying, "the strong shall beat the hell out of the consumer. Eat them not bodily but financially" Apparently, you consider yourself part of the "crap."
 
 
+1 # Depressionborn 2013-05-20 18:03
?[quote name="Eldon J. Bloedorn"]TO:
#DEPRESSIONBORN

"The contradiction you present. A free market is not honest. Which is another way of saying, "the strong shall beat the hell out of the consumer. Eat them not bodily but financially" Apparently, you consider yourself part of the "crap"


You and I likely consider honest market differently. I see no contradiction.

My honest market is freedom. Freedom to do what ever you can if you want. It requires rules are equal. What the nation is becoming is not equality, but crony capitalism, cartels and monopolies. They are the crap.

Equality beats the hell out of nobody.
Crap imposes on others. I have never done so and find your comments odd.

A free market is honesty personified. Nothing could be more honest. How can freedom beat the hell out of anyone
 
 
+189 # karenvista 2013-05-18 15:42
Does anyone disagree that making government completely dysfunctional, as a policy, is treasonous.

The Republicans have said that "government isn't the solution, its the problem" and every time they gain the power to do so they make it true.

As it stands, this country is ungovernable. The minority makes sure that the will of the majority can not be instituted.

They pretend that any president who is not a republican is illegitimate, even when it is their own president who is placed in the position by the supreme court. (I'm on a capitalization strike unless someone or something earns capital letters again.)

What else could you call it if not treason?
 
 
+74 # Tigre1 2013-05-18 17:35
According to the Constitution, treason consist only of aiding, abetting, and giving comfort to enemies of the US...as the Koch oil companies have, in doing business with Iran lo these many years, in defiance of US law...
 
 
+34 # grandma lynn 2013-05-18 19:06
Get them to court before they own it or own all the newspapers that concern themselves, ordinarily, with news.
 
 
+2 # bmiluski 2013-05-20 11:57
Quoting grandma lynn:
Get them to court before they own it or own all the newspapers that concern themselves, ordinarily, with news.


HA...they already do.
 
 
+13 # RHytonen 2013-05-19 08:51
Quoting Tigre1:
According to the Constitution, treason consist only of aiding, abetting, and giving comfort to enemies of the US...as the Koch oil companies have, in doing business with Iran lo these many years, in defiance of US law...


IMO corporations - BUSINESS, large AND small- ARE -THE- "Enemies" of the U.S. (or rather, it is a system that calls a viable, sustainable business "a failure" if it does not enrich "Investor"/gamblers.)

"Infinite Growth" -the very BASIS of Capitalism- is a Natural impossibility, as any physicist knows ("Canservation of matter/energy?")

Money-in ANY amount- must NEVER be made, or allowed, to appear to replicate itself. That appearance is the biggest, most tragic crime of civilization. That's why USURY - the charging and collecting of "interest" (originally in ANY amount!)- is one of humanity's oldest crimes. One of the next oldest and most insidious was attempting to redefine it by quantifying its allowance.

Think about how that tactic has been reused over history to perpetrate atrocities in law. It's enough to negate the fallacy of the "slippery slope."
 
 
+12 # kalpal 2013-05-19 11:22
Growth for the sole sake of growth is the ethic of a cancer cell.
 
 
+13 # Janice 2013-05-18 23:15
It absolutely is treason and we should do something about getting them out of office. They are so quick to say the "I" word regarding President Obama How about impeaching them. They do not do their jobs. No work no office.
 
 
-145 # larrypayne 2013-05-18 15:43
Remember how Michael Moore and Bill Maher begged Ralph Nader not to run in the last Presidential election? Moore and Maher are happy with the status quo. They have both become extremely wealthy supporting our corporate police state while pretending to rail against it.
 
 
+83 # gotabrain 2013-05-18 16:41
Does this "police state" you speak of reference the Patriot act, and tapping American citizens phones?
The status quo at least gives the majority of Americans, hope, that someone at the very least is on their side, as opposed to a Romney, who would do nothing but create more wealth for his rich donors!
By the way, Rush Limbutt makes $50 million a year. For doing what exactly? Dividing Americans and spreading fear.
 
 
+21 # larrypayne 2013-05-18 20:11
I agree that Romney would have been a crony capitalist president. I voted Green party in protest of Obama's total abandonment of his campaign promises.

The police state I mentioned includes the establishment of the massive Homeland Security Agency.

Anyone who watched those 3 buildings being demolished by explosives on 9/11 knows the HSA is not necessary for our security. So who is it designed to protect?
 
 
+7 # RHytonen 2013-05-19 09:21
We changed our affiliation legally (from D) to Mountain ("GREEN" party, in WV) and voted for Jill Stein - NOT Obama.

The PhRMA/Single Payer debacle told us all we needed to know - and it got FAR worse ( $400k/NDAA1021/ DroneCIAKill List/Monsanto/SNAPcutsFarmBill/etc.)

READ jillstein.org/issues
You will be surprised it's not "just" environmental by any means.

And FORGET those supporting the 2 party system by claiming "spoiler."
How has that WORKED?

It has to start somewhere.
 
 
+3 # Cassandra2012 2013-05-19 13:12
Eveer why Bush did not call it simply "National" Security instead of
'Homeland' (=Heimat ) Secuity ... .
 
 
+9 # Regina 2013-05-19 16:25
Melodrama is a great disguise for bare essentials. Repeat all Dubya's terms, such as "WMD," and you'll see the pattern of obfuscation. He didn't invent them -- they were created and systematically fed to him by his handlers, led by Cheney.
 
 
+3 # pegasus4508 2013-05-19 13:37
Are you aware that Homeland Security was devised under the Bush/Cheney regime? AFTER 9/11?
 
 
+7 # larrypayne 2013-05-19 16:48
Created under the Bush administration and made much more massive under Obama. Did you know they are building a computer storage facility in Bluffton, Utah, that can record and store every phone call and email made in this country?
 
 
+3 # Depressionborn 2013-05-20 19:35
Quoting larrypayne:
I agree that Romney would have been a crony capitalist president. I voted Green party in protest of Obama's total abandonment of his campaign promises.

The police state I mentioned includes the establishment of the massive Homeland Security Agency.

Anyone who watched those 3 buildings being demolished by explosives on 9/11 knows the HSA is not necessary for our security. So who is it designed to protect?



fools.
George Washington called political parties "factions". He warned they were a way to ruin. We established a two party system. One, called the Democrat, forgetting the people, became opportunists who learned to lie, cheat and steal; the other, called the Republican, (known as the stupid party), also turned opportunist, and, forgetting principle, learned to become rich and wealthy with Crony capitalism.

Now the two have joined and we have one party, the party of Fools. Hopefully "a thing will continue until it can't". ( A Newtonian law I think?) Hope and change? I got the hope, where the hell is the change?
 
 
+1 # squinty 2013-05-19 06:16
And of course no Democrat voted for the patriot act, or the NDAA. Nor does any democratic administration assert a right to warrantless wiretapping, or drone assassination programs.
 
 
+4 # Cassandra2012 2013-05-19 13:16
Quoting squinty:
And of course no Democrat voted for the patriot act, or the NDAA. Nor does any democratic administration assert a right to warrantless wiretapping, or drone assassination programs.


Yes, but after being a) fooled (i.e.,deliberat ely LIED TO) regarding Iraq, the Patriot act etc. b Bush-Cheney and co.
and b) being accused of being 'unpatriotic' or even treasonous if they did not go along ...
Consider how 'cooperative' and concerned with the common good the Repug obstructionists and scandal-mongers have been ... .
 
 
+8 # Nominae 2013-05-19 18:52
Quoting Cassandra2012:
Quoting squinty:
And of course no Democrat voted for the patriot act, or the NDAA. Nor does any democratic administration assert a right to warrantless wiretapping, or drone assassination programs.


Yes, but after being a) fooled (i.e.,deliberately LIED TO) regarding Iraq, the Patriot act etc. b Bush-Cheney and co.
and b) being accused of being 'unpatriotic' or even treasonous if they did not go along ...
. .


So, then what we learn from the above is apparently the fact that the Dems are too stupid (or foolish) to see through obvious obfuscation and B.S. ( "[i.e., deliberately LIED TO) regarding Iraq, the Patriot Act, etc.")

And, we see that Dems are full-out cowards whose vote can be easily forced by nothing more powerful than petty name calling such as one might encounter with a second-grader in a sandbox : " ...being accused of being 'unpatriotic' .....

See, silly lies and baseless name calling should not be sufficient to cower any adult with an actual backbone.

If ANY representative of ANY party is *that* dim-witted and *that* easily intimidated, they do not *belong* in a job representing millions of people on a NATIONAL level.

That NDAA came along years *after* the frightened fools had all discovered that Iraq WAS a lie.

The politics of "my guys 'r' angels, 'n' yer guys 'r' demons" really doesn't help anyone to notice the inescapable fact that the whole SYSTEM is a pre-rigged and corrupt con job.
 
 
+14 # RHytonen 2013-05-19 09:14
Quoting gotabrain:
Does this "police state" you speak of reference the Patriot act, and tapping American citizens phones?.....

I would guess so - as well as beating, pepperspraying, stealing and destroying he property of, and infiltrating ('false flagging'wih NYPD/CIA violent "anarchists") peaceful, nothreatening and UNARMED OWS demonstrations; while having neglected doing ANY of that to the smaller (but HEAVILY corporate-funde d) TOWN HALL DISRUPTING (for $10 online YouTube bounties) "TEA Partiers" and even having CNN "embed" a bus full of reporters and equipment to make them look "significant."

The 35 THOUSAND Occupy Wall Street demonstrators on Nov.17 in Manhattan weren't "significant" enough for ongoing daily CNN (or any other except DemocracyNOW!)c overage?

How about the millions protesting the MONUMENTAL failure of "Austerity" in Spain and Greece?
 
 
+6 # Cassandra2012 2013-05-19 13:19
And failing to prosecute those no-neck Tea-partiers who beat up a female counter-protest or before the election (widely shown on u-tube so denial will not cut it!) or those teabaggers who carried concealed weapons to protests, un-prosecuted or even arrested.
 
 
-1 # Mannstein 2013-05-21 20:21
He sits on his fat butt and pontificates while the Sheeple hang on to his every word. The problem is that he has an audience. If every one would stop calling in and shutting him off his sponsorship would be history.
 
 
-45 # Malcolm 2013-05-18 17:47
Quoting gotabrain:
Does this "police state" you speak of reference the Patriot act, and tapping American citizens phones?
The status quo at least gives the majority of Americans, hope, that someone at the very least is on their side, as opposed to a Romney, who would do nothing but create more wealth for his rich donors!
By the way, Rush Limbutt makes $50 million a year. For doing what exactly? Dividing Americans and spreading fear.

Quoting larrypayne:
Remember how Michael Moore and Bill Maher begged Ralph Nader not to run in the last Presidential election? Moore and Maher are happy with the status quo. They have both become extremely wealthy supporting our corporate police state while pretending to rail against it.


I suspect they both truly believed that Obambya=change. They were wrong. You are also wrong, most likely.
 
 
+8 # pegasus4508 2013-05-19 13:40
Kind of hard to CHANGE anything when EVERY law has been blocked or fillibusted(?) since the Repubs took the house. He has changed what he could by executive order. The rest must be through congress, which does not appear to be interested.
 
 
-8 # davehaze 2013-05-18 20:30
It was a disgrace -- and not at all funny -- that they got down on their knees and mocked Nader. They buy into the lies and blatant betrayal of the Democratic Party. They blamed Ralph for Gores win. Yes Gore won even though he ran the worst campaign I've seen in 45 years of voting, until Kerry's ridiculous campaign -- and he won also. Check out Ohio. But both times the Demo's rolled over.


Most American voters accept the phony two parties. Most Americans don't vote or vote third party. If we ever got together both party's would be out. And then they would join forces and put us all behind barbed wire.

I have never vote DemRepubs. Only third parties becuse I refuse to vote for anyone who will not represent me.

Bill Maher has become reactionary on guns and foreign policy. Just look at the exchange between Glen Grenwald and him two shows ago. He has to resort to calling Grenwald names because he ran out of arguments. Another disgrace.
 
 
-40 # Jack Gibson 2013-05-18 21:23
Thank you! I've said for years (and I used to like him) that Maher smoked too much pot until his brains fell out (and I believe in medical marijuana). Maher has become a complete, frothing-at-the -mouth, blithering idiot who no longer knows his buttocks from a hole in the ground. In fact, his mouth has become his anus. (Did I really just say that? LOL!)
 
 
-2 # tonywicher 2013-05-19 10:37
Did you ever hear that William S. Burroughs story about the man who taught his asshole to talk? That's Bill Maher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ-p1wGv5rw
 
 
-5 # larrypayne 2013-05-19 06:57
I thank you as well, Dave, for revealing that not everyone is fooled by Moore and Maher.

Greenwald and Maher are both Jewish. Greenwald speaks out against Israel's apartheid policies against the Palestinians. Israel can do no wrong in Maher's opinion. Maher promotes fear of Muslims. Greenwald promotes truth and understanding.
 
 
+4 # kalpal 2013-05-19 11:09
Maher was raised as a Catholic and was told as an adult that his mother was jewish which obviously means that his education in Catholic school did not take. maybe the problem was that he was not sexually abused by a Xtian which is why he must considered jewish by bigots like you.
 
 
+4 # larrypayne 2013-05-19 14:04
What did I write that gives you a reason to call me a bigot?

Do you call every person who criticizes Israel's policies bigots?
 
 
+2 # pegasus4508 2013-05-19 13:41
Bill Maher has said many times his family is CATHOLIC. So much for your facts.
 
 
+3 # tabonsell 2013-05-19 16:43
Maher is not Jewish.

He was born to a Catholic father and raised as a Catholic until he saw the silliness of religion, so he is now a nonreligious nonbeliever. He is not atheist, by his account, but merely against religion.

His mother was born jewish but he didn't know that until into his teens, when he had already forsaken religion's superstitions.
 
 
-2 # Depressionborn 2013-05-21 15:24
tabonsell ref: the silliness of religion,

interesting, it has been said "religion is man's attempt to get right with God".

Doomed to failure of course.
 
 
+3 # pegasus4508 2013-05-19 13:46
My "Representative s" do represent me. They hear from me often, both to thank them when they are right and chastise them when they are WRONG. Government is not about what the other person does. It is about what YOU do. If YOU choose to vote for people who are not in office, you will continue to NOT be represented. If you CHOOSE not to interact with YOUR representative, that is on you. While they may not do what you want, they will NEVER know what you want if you don't SPEAK UP. That is only fair. You work with what you HAVE until you HAVE what you want.
 
 
+3 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-05-18 23:16
#Larry "Pain"Well, at least your last name tells us what you have to offer society.
 
 
+3 # larrypayne 2013-05-19 16:37
With a name like yours, you should refrain from calling attention to names.
 
 
+1 # kalpal 2013-05-19 11:06
It must be obvious to some fools and knaves that if Nader had run for president during the last election then this country would be absolutely in perfect shape by now. maybe we should have elected McCain and Palin? They would surely have corrected all the Bush mistakes.
 
 
0 # larrypayne 2013-05-19 16:40
Maybe not perfect but Nader would have seen to it that this country would return to respecting laws, both national and international.
 
 
+1 # shraeve 2013-05-20 01:45
Palin would have quit by now.
 
 
+30 # isafakir 2013-05-18 15:45
what can we say and what can we do. two times in two landslides despite overwhelming election fraud in ohio in florida elsewhere despite the absolute shock in public of rove at the failure of his vote rigging, we have elected the progressive against the wall street establishment and the wholly owned inside the beltway wall street subsidiary and both times our elected progressive has thrown away his sheepskins and out bain capitaled his opponents and quislinged goldman sucks and punks of america and morgan aig wells fargo into the west wing.
 
 
+20 # MsAnnaNOLA 2013-05-18 16:18
Yes the parties have merged.

END BLACK BOX VOTING
END TWO PARTY OLIGOPOLY
 
 
+29 # DaveEwoldt 2013-05-18 16:33
Are you talking about the same country? When have we ever elected a progressive? Well, at least since Teddy Roosevelt. Obama is a wholly owned subsidiary of BigEnergy and Wall Street. He was vetted by the DLC above Hillary. I mean, a "progressive" that maintains a kill list?
 
 
0 # grandma lynn 2013-05-18 19:08
His kill-list: what a downfall this is. I cannot get that photo (thanks to newspapers not yet owned by Koch bros., so I got to see the photo) out of my head, of Obama leaning forward in his chair to watch the killing of Osama bin Laden, and Hillary with her hand to her jaw or mouth or whatever part of her face.
 
 
-4 # larrypayne 2013-05-19 07:13
What a staged bit of theater that photo was.

The news first reported that the group watched the murder in real time. Then they changed it to say they did not watch the killing.

The video shown of the old man holding the video remote in his right hand was not OBL. OBL was left-handed.

BBC interviewed over 50 people in Abbottabad and only one thought the man who was murdered was OBL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1JWpgAWKEU
 
 
+3 # tonywicher 2013-05-19 10:48
As just about everybody knows by now, bin Laden died in December 2001 of a hereditary kidney disease called Marfan's syndrome. The "killing of bin Laden' was sheer Hollywood. This is beyond shameful. What have we come to? I don't blame people who support him; they are just misinformed by a press and a media that is nothing but a propaganda organ to manufacture their consent.
 
 
0 # bmiluski 2013-05-20 12:06
Yes, and did you know that we really didn't land on the moon. That too was staged. I'm so glad we're the only smart people on this planet.
 
 
+3 # RHytonen 2013-05-19 07:19
Except that Hillary is at least AS corporatist as the rest. Like Nancy, she has many "investments" that, although an astute, even consummate politician and effective civil servant, render her unelectable - at least by a base that's coherent in its values.

You disagree?
TransCanada eMails.
 
 
+77 # bingers 2013-05-18 15:58
But the GOP gets 7 times as much dark money as the Dems, which should tell anyone who's capable of rational thought which party is totally corrupt and which one is just trying to hold off the dark hordes.
 
 
-20 # Malcolm 2013-05-18 17:50
Quoting bingers:
But the GOP gets 7 times as much dark money as the Dems, which should tell anyone who's capable of rational thought which party is totally corrupt

and which one is just trying to hold off the dark hordes.


Nice to hear that! Um, where did you get those data?
 
 
-10 # Nominae 2013-05-18 21:57
Quoting Malcolm:
Quoting bingers:
But the GOP gets 7 times as much dark money as the Dems, which should tell anyone who's capable of rational thought which party is totally corrupt

and which one is just trying to hold off the dark hordes.


Nice to hear that! Um, where did you get those data?


Yes, Malcolm DARN good point ! (In spite of the red marks from the Echo Chamber members who simply WANT this to be true).

By definition DARK MONEY is pretty damned difficult to trace. Therefore, upon what data could such a comment POSSIBLY be made with the slightest degree of accuracy ?

Let's leave "pulling a Limbaugh", by just jerking numbers off the top of one's head (or from elsewhere) to the people like Rush who are getting paid $50K per year to pump propaganda.

"7 times as much dark money" needs to be sourced and credited for verification. Otherwise it's just more "feel good" propaganda, and "feel good" propaganda is NOT part of the Solution !

For THAT matter, how can anyone know WHAT the Dems are doing with THEIR dark money ? "trying to hold off the dark hordes" is obviously just more fantasy wish-fulfillmen t.

Let's hold to the facts. Fantasy has been undermining our reality since the first Bush Administration.
 
 
+2 # Nominae 2013-05-18 23:52
@ NOMINAE

Correction to my previous comment :

Nice to hear that! Um, where did you get those data?

Yes, Malcolm DARN good point !

...... to the people like Rush who are getting paid $50K per year to pump propaganda.

CORRECTION: Rush is pulling down $50 MILLION per year for his radio "entertainment" .

My bad. Data needs to be correct.
 
 
+2 # RLF 2013-05-19 05:11
All that tells one is that the Dinos are terrible bargainers, and I believe that has been true for decades. You can't play hard ball when you actually care about something...but it could be (and I believe) they are just after the same thing.
 
 
+69 # angelfish 2013-05-18 16:06
Michael Moore is RIGHT! The egregious Right Wing Ideologues love their OWN agenda MORE than they love this Country and would rather see it Fail completely than for this President to succeed and show the "shrub" up to be the incompetent, arrogant non-entity that he WAS! Bad enough to be worse than a Democrat but a BLACK Democrat? They HAVE to find a way to discredit him and there is NO low to which they will NOT sink to do it! Thank GOD for the young people who do NOT buy into their Bull-Puckey. Maybe there's reason to hope...
 
 
-77 # anarchteacher 2013-05-18 16:06
This is what it ultimately all boils down to: Government - Is it "We" or is it "Them"?

To brainless Neanderthals such as Michael Moore and Bill Maher, "We the people" are "the Government," (unless it is headed by someone named Nixon, Reagan, or Bush.

Then "the Government" is not "Us" but "it," and is composed of heartless, inhuman giant insects feasting and preying upon the common folk (i.e. upscale yuppie progressive throw backs who watch their insipid movies and TV programs).

But for those curious souls who actually engage in critical thinking and disinterested reflection, who are not contrained by meaningless obsolete party labels or phony ideologies, who disregard the mendacious lies of the mainstream media and their cohort of regime stenographers, these open-minded persons know what the reality of government from actually observing it in action all their lives:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard62.html

"The Anatomy of the State," by the world renown economist/histo rian Murray N. Rothbard
 
 
+42 # reiverpacific 2013-05-18 19:02
Quoting anarchteacher:
This is what it ultimately all boils down to: Government - Is it "We" or is it "Them"?

To brainless Neanderthals such as Michael Moore and Bill Maher, "We the people" are "the Government," (unless it is headed by someone named Nixon, Reagan, or Bush.

Then "the Government" is not "Us" but "it," and is composed of heartless, inhuman giant insects feasting and preying upon the common folk (i.e. upscale yuppie progressive throw backs who watch their insipid movies and TV programs).

But for those curious souls who actually engage in critical thinking and disinterested reflection, who are not contrained by meaningless obsolete party labels or phony ideologies, who disregard the mendacious lies of the mainstream media and their cohort of regime stenographers, these open-minded persons know what the reality of government from actually observing it in action all their lives:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard62.html

"The Anatomy of the State," by the world renown economist/historian Murray N. Rothbard

If you think that Moore and Maher are "Brainless Neanderthals", then what of the skulking, dirty tricks machine rolled out by the Roves and Koch's "Americans for Prosperity" (for a few) and so many other medievalist organizations under the fair cloak of passive language whilst wrapping themselves in the flag?
Neanderthals are extinct because they couldn't adapt which fate is what we can only hope will befall the GOP.
 
 
+11 # ABen 2013-05-18 19:47
teacher; I assume that the title of 'teacher' is one you have bestowed on yourself since the prevalence of ad hominem attacks and weighted characterizatio n represents neither good scholarship nor argumentation. Rothbard is well respected by libertarians and people aligned with the Austrian school of economics; however, as a scholar who has read Rothbard, I suggest you broaden your reading a bit. The practical application of many of Rothbard's theories, for instance the idea of anarchic-capita lism, would have such a corrosive effect on social structures through out the world as to make it unthinkable. Just one suggestion would be Joseph Stiglitz' "Stability with Growth: Macroeconomics, Liberalization and Growth." Please make your arguments and leave the name calling and mis-characterizatio n to lessor minds.
 
 
-21 # Jack Gibson 2013-05-18 21:02
"AnarchTeacher" , you wouldn't know it from the one-sided showing of "votes" of approval or disapproval on this site, but I "thumbed-up" your excellent comment. I'm sure that will get me castigated and one way or the other "shut-down" from expressing my freedom of speech, dissent from the status quo of brainwashed, so-called "Democrat", "liberal", and "progressive" "Americans" who stupidly, and totally falsely, presume that just because I make a comment such as this one, that I must be a "right-winger", even though I'm no such thing. God help these braindead morons, because He's the only One who can. Attack away, you liars and illegal libelers and slanderers. I've "tasted" the level of your evil venom, bile and guile before, and I can handle it. Hint: You can't intimate me AT ALL, so don't even try to do so. It is so-called "Americans" like you people who are the reason that the U.S. is very likely doomed. WAKE THE HELL UP TO WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON, INSTEAD OF BELIEVING THE SO-CALLED "COMFORTABLE" LIES THAT YOU'VE SO SUCCESSFULLY BEEN LED TO BELIEVE BY THE CORPORATE-FASCI ST GLOBALIST LIARS WHO ENCOMPASS THE DOOM OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF US, INCLUDING YOU!
 
 
0 # Arden 2013-05-19 06:10
When one is repeatedly and relentlessly attacked for expressing one's hones and valued thoughts and opinions, one might develop a "thick skin" and/or shout louder.

Truth to power ever seeks to encompass all.
 
 
+1 # Arden 2013-05-19 06:12
I really meant to say truth to power seeks ever to encompass all.
 
 
+1 # Jack Gibson 2013-05-19 11:07
And let's hope and pray that it does, though it doesn't look like it is going to, my fellow-disabled acquaintance!
 
 
0 # Malcolm 2013-05-19 09:54
Quoting Jack Gibson:
"AnarchTeacher", you wouldn't know it from the one-sided showing of "votes" of approval or disapproval on this site, but I "thumbed-up" your excellent comment. I'm sure that will get me castigated and one way or the other "shut-down" from expressing my freedom of speech, dissent from the status quo of brainwashed, so-called "Democrat", "liberal", and "progressive" "Americans" who stupidly, and totally falsely, presume that just because I make a comment such as this one, that I must be a "right-winger", even though I'm no such thing. God help these braindead morons, because He's the only One who can. Attack away, you liars and illegal libelers and slanderers. I've "tasted" the level of your evil venom, bile and guile before, and I can handle it. Hint: You can't intimate me AT ALL, so don't even try to do so. It is so-called "Americans" like you people who are the reason that the U.S. is very likely doomed. WAKE THE HELL UP TO WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON, INSTEAD OF BELIEVING THE SO-CALLED "COMFORTABLE" LIES THAT YOU'VE SO SUCCESSFULLY BEEN LED TO BELIEVE BY THE CORPORATE-FASCIST GLOBALIST LIARS WHO ENCOMPASS THE DOOM OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF US, INCLUDING YOU!


PLEASE:tell us how you REALLY feel!
 
 
-1 # bmiluski 2013-05-20 12:09
I wish you people would get it through your heads........Pe ople don't listen to people who shout.
 
 
-1 # Jack Gibson 2013-05-20 14:26
It's NOT "shouting"; it is emphasis. But perhaps you willfully blind people need to be literally shouted at, and/or to be shaken by the shoulders, sometimes; because, when we like myself who are completely facing what's really going on try to mollycoddle you, aka try to speak to you "nicely" and "calmly" to try and get through to you, it's no more successful than yelling at and/or shaking you by the shoulders apparently and/or evidently is.
 
 
+6 # reiverpacific 2013-05-18 21:18
Quoting anarchteacher:
This is what it ultimately all boils down to: Government - Is it "We" or is it "Them"?

To brainless Neanderthals such as Michael Moore and Bill Maher, "We the people" are "the Government," (unless it is headed by someone named Nixon, Reagan, or Bush.

Then "the Government" is not "Us" but "it," and is composed of heartless, inhuman giant insects feasting and preying upon the common folk (i.e. upscale yuppie progressive throw backs who watch their insipid movies and TV programs).

But for those curious souls who actually engage in critical thinking and disinterested reflection, who are not contrained by meaningless obsolete party labels or phony ideologies, who disregard the mendacious lies of the mainstream media and their cohort of regime stenographers, these open-minded persons know what the reality of government from actually observing it in action all their lives:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard62.html

"The Anatomy of the State," by the world renown economist/historian Murray N. Rothbard

Suggest that you peruse "Capitalism Hits the Fan" by he true People's Economist, Dr Richard Wolff.
 
 
+32 # Bev 2013-05-18 16:06
Whatever happened to the idea that serving in the government was to represent and serve the people?

Perhaps the misplaced, original 13th Amendment gives a clue whereby no lawyer could hold elected office in Washington. At last count there were only 77 members of Congress who were not lawyers. Technically members of the BAR were committed to the Crown of England. Since the War of 1812 it has always been about money and self interest for the majority of our officials.
 
 
+2 # Depressionborn 2013-05-20 21:09
Re: Bev: Whatever happened to the idea that serving in the government was to represent and serve the people?

It kinda died somewhere along the way to gov serving government and its cronies.
 
 
-37 # Arden 2013-05-18 16:08
Young people - not bigots and not haters - says Michael Moore; the GOP? a "squealing dinosaur" that hates government, he sort of says. Self-haters, as it were?
I should be able to send all my medical bills to the govt. to pay out of the $99.00 they take out of my social security each month, whether my bill is from an eye doctor, a dentist, a medical doctor, an herbalist, a naturopath, etc. until I have used up my money for the year. IMO
 
 
+34 # grandma lynn 2013-05-18 19:11
You should send your medical bills to the major polluters - send them to William I. Koch who sells the dirtiest of dirty fuels to be burned in China and Mexico. Send them to Monsanto who has meddled with nature and done genetically-mod ified stuff to our food supply, and next wants to eliminate bees by introducing nicotinoid/pois ons into our environment.
 
 
+13 # reiverpacific 2013-05-18 21:08
Quoting Arden:
Young people - not bigots and not haters - says Michael Moore; the GOP? a "squealing dinosaur" that hates government, he sort of says. Self-haters, as it were?
I should be able to send all my medical bills to the govt. to pay out of the $99.00 they take out of my social security each month, whether my bill is from an eye doctor, a dentist, a medical doctor, an herbalist, a naturopath, etc. until I have used up my money for the year. IMO

I'd like to agree with about the medical bills bit but y'r point(s) are a bit obscured and jumbled in syntax.
With respect, could you clarify and make orderly what you are trying to say so it can be more easily understood by those of us who aren't mind-readers or not subtle of mind enough to interpret the inferences.
Just a wee suggestion for clarification.
 
 
+1 # Arden 2013-05-19 06:46
You are absolutely right, River Pacific. I should have added a comma after "gov't.", at the very least.

My point was really that because I have such a very low income - poverty level I'm sure, even though I work 365 days a year (I have a paper route) and also receive social security (probably the lowest amount anyone receives though I do not know that for a fact) - and because I try to take charge of my own health, and I am generally healthy, and I do not generally go to medical doctors at all, but I DO use herbalists and naturopaths and dentists and eye doctors; and because I am a reasonably thrifty and efficient money-manager, I cannot conceive of why I should not be able to use the $1188 (12 x $99) of my money (the part that was taken out of my social security check each month) to cover my medical expenses. I am willing to let the government keep $188 of it to cover the office work. $1000 would easily cover my bills. Any extra left-over amount could be rolled over into the next year. Granted, problems yet to possibly arise could easily exceed the $1000, but that is farther than I wish to take this argument at the moment.

Hope this helps clarify my comments.
 
 
+3 # reiverpacific 2013-05-19 09:46
Quoting Arden:
You are absolutely right, River Pacific. I should have added a comma after "gov't.", at the very least.
My point was really that because I have such a very low income - poverty level I'm sure, even though I work 365 days a year (I have a paper route) and also receive social security (probably the lowest amount anyone receives though I do not know that for a fact) - and because I try to take charge of my own health, and I am generally healthy, and I do not generally go to medical doctors at all, but I DO use herbalists and naturopaths and dentists and eye doctors; and because I am a reasonably thrifty and efficient money-manager, I cannot conceive of why I should not be able to use the $1188 (12 x $99) of my money (the part that was taken out of my social security check each month) to cover my medical expenses. I am willing to let the government keep $188 of it to cover the office work. $1000 would easily cover my bills. Any extra left-over amount could be rolled over into the next year. Granted, problems yet to possibly arise could easily exceed the $1000, but that is farther than I wish to take this argument at the moment.
Hope this helps clarify my comments.

Thanks. I'm such a crappy typist that I have to proof everything I write -and I still screw up. I'm constantly apologizing for my dyslexic digits on RSN.
The ONLY solution of course, is single-payer universal healthcare; all else is palliative but it can't even get a hearing.
 
 
+5 # Cassandra2012 2013-05-19 13:25
or stop voting in false Dems like Baucus who represented the health insurance 'industry' rather than the people who elected him.
 
 
+53 # LeeBlack 2013-05-18 16:09
"Hate' is very strong. I'd say that the Republican members of Congress (and some Democrats) are more interested in keeping their cushy job, or going to a cushy Federal agency job, than doing the job they were elected to do - represent the people.

As for the Randian types who elect these ideologues- they have been convinced by FOX, et al, that the America of by gone days has been replaced by Liberal policies. Their memories are faulty. The country they want exists only in their imagination.
 
 
-28 # Jack Gibson 2013-05-18 20:46
No, the country that you think you already have only exists in YOUR, and others' like you's, imagination. (No, again, completely honestly and truthfully, I am NOT a "right-winger" OR a "Rethuglican"; get that through your brainwashed, and/or "washed-of-brai ns", skulls!---of course, though, I already know that you probably never will.) Somehow, if at all probable, you've got to completely stop drinking the "Kool-Aid" of globalist sellouts like Michael Moore, who has himself drunk the Kool-Aid of the globalists; a bunch of lies disguised as the salvation of the world. Wake the hell up, people! You've been sold nothing but a "la-la-land", fantasy world "reality", and nothing more! Oh, what's the use, there's probably no getting through to you completely brainwashed people?!
 
 
0 # kalpal 2013-05-19 11:16
It appears that anyone who fails to see the world and its people as you do is some sort of dupe. How sad?
 
 
0 # pegasus4508 2013-05-19 13:53
The country YOU think you had only existed in your mind. The 1800's, 1900's and 1950's were certainly not perfect for everyone. Just an enchanted few. And only on TV in black and white.
 
 
0 # mdhome 2013-05-20 08:09
Wow! Stop the rush/fox overload.
 
 
-1 # Jack Gibson 2013-05-20 14:14
Idiot, I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh and I never have. I don't listen to ANY such neoliberal, globalist, corporate-fasci st, totalitarian-na tional-socialis t, neo-Nazi propagandists and talking heads. Get that straight.
 
 
+32 # Wordslinger 2013-05-18 16:11
The Obama government is a fascist sellout. The republicans want Hitler back.
Dubya says the Muslims hate us for our freedoms. Of course, he also said that Saddam had WMD.

Can we replace the whole system and start over -- beginning with a new Constitution that considers people more than big business?

Or just close Disneyland?
 
 
+1 # kalpal 2013-05-19 11:17
Only way to do that is to persuade the beneficiaries of the current bribery filled system to change it.
 
 
+64 # NAVYVET 2013-05-18 16:41
Of course the Republicans hate the United States! Even the non-Southerners have been infected by the Confederate treason of long ago, that never ended. Everyone should realize by now that not a single one of the extremists is genuinely "conservative". They are radicals and traitors. "NeoCon" means "NeoConfederate ." Their leaders, the super-rich oligarchs, WANT to wreck this country, and start up slavery again. That's been A.L.E.C.'s goal for the last 40 years. WAKE UP!!
 
 
-8 # EmilyCragg 2013-05-18 16:48
They have every reason to hate Amerika.

Amerika is a double-dealing, hate-mongering corporate State.

Let's go do something else now, okay?
 
 
-1 # pegasus4508 2013-05-19 13:54
And that started before or after Bush? Minutes after the election of Barack mayhap?
 
 
+69 # overanddone 2013-05-18 16:52
It is obvious that the GOP is anti America, totally unpatriotic, and bent on system of aristocracy rule of a underclass striving to be the worlds lowest cost labor and goods provider. Uneducated, indentured by debt, the 99% sinks deeper each day in a race to the bottom.
 
 
+2 # bmiluski 2013-05-20 12:14
Republicans don't hate America. They hate thinking. That's why there are so many religious groups affiliated with them. People like the Kochs, Cheneys, Bushies, etc. are neither republican or democratic. They are neo-cons....peo ple without a country. Their only aim is to accumulate as much $ and power as they can. And who do they use? People who call themselves republicans.... ..the poor saps. I'd feel sorry for them except they dragged my country to the brink of disaster. Now I spit on them.
 
 
+1 # Jack Gibson 2013-05-20 14:05
They use the "Democrats" too, as well as the "Republicans". These "crazies", as Ray McGovern and other former "al CIAHduh(!)" employees call(ed) them, aka neocons, all of which are neoliberals because international and U.S. corporate-fasci sm is neoliberal, have taken over completely, and their only aim is NOT to accumulate as much wealth and power as they can, although that is obviously a part of it; their largest, ultimate aim is to destroy U.S. sovereignty and bring the U.S. and the world under global governance and enslavement. They are globalists, and they co-opted most of both Republican AND Democrat "leaders" into their camp to accomplish all of that; and accomplish it they are; in fact, they are almost finished accomplishing it, as they are in their "endgame" for completing it, right now.

http://www.form-legal.com/wordpress/#UnitedNationsEnslavement
 
 
0 # Jack Gibson 2013-05-21 00:46
Correction, ..."al CIAduh(!)"..., not "al CIAHduh(!)".
 
 
+33 # theory≠opinion 2013-05-18 17:23
As Joe Cohn once famously said (OK, a lot more than once): "Republicans hate you and want you dead!"
 
 
+51 # vgirl1 2013-05-18 17:38
It may be that they hate America, but it begins with the fact that they hate Barack Obama. They hate him, because he is a Black man who, for some reason they cannot fathom ,won the Presidency of the United States not once, but TWICE. From the beginning their rage, hatred and resentment about him was so great that they decided it was okay to harm the USA if it meant harming him and refusing to allow him to have any semblance of a successful presidency. This was rationalized by them in that by destroying him and his presidency, they felt and hoped that no Black man could ever be elected again. With that in mind, they set out on sinister agenda. When he won a second time, they really decided they cared not for the USA and any of its people who could elect this man twice. This made it easier for them to again, and with more malice than before, set out to further damage and destroy this man and the USA. After all, they now felt confident they had reason to "hate America" and to punish her and her people, because they dared to elect this man AGAIN.
 
 
+7 # WestWinds 2013-05-19 05:35
I don't think it's quite so superficial as this. Okay, they're jealous that America would put a black man in over a white man, but I think the only thing that really matters to them is gaining complete control over everything.

Obama represents an obstacle in their way; no matter what color his might be. You mean to say if Elizabeth Warren were in the presidency, the (R) would be acting any different? Or how about Sen. Bernie Sanders? Or a Dennis Kucinich? No, it's more than just his color; they sell his color to the base to give their base something tangible to hate, but they don't care one way or another as long as they get to be in control. They're nutz.
 
 
+3 # pegasus4508 2013-05-19 13:57
With malice and forethought. One would think they could be tried for treason against America.
 
 
+2 # Regina 2013-05-19 16:41
...and did so in spite of all the schemes their state-level cronies devised to keep the "rabble" from the polls. What a shocker! Rove was reeling in disbelief for hours after the count.
 
 
+36 # Kimc 2013-05-18 17:47
You're right. What we need is a sustainable economy. That means getting rid of monopoly capitalism, and instituting democratic capitalism. This means the businesses are owned and run by the workers, and the money is spread around more evenly, according to vote. Without uninvolved shareholders, there ceases to be a need for an accelerating rate of profit, so growth is no longer necessary, and inflation no longer happens. A company can be successful with the same profit every year, as long as it covers all expenses. Built in checks and balances happen when everyone is responsible. There would no longer be a need for sociopathic CEOs, or the high salaries they command to secure their artificial loyalty. We could get rid of the high cost of management, which is what is really killing our economy. No more free lunch.
 
 
+3 # RHytonen 2013-05-19 08:11
Quoting Kimc:
What we need is a sustainable economy. That means getting rid of monopoly capitalism, and instituting democratic capitalism. This means the businesses are owned and run by the workers, and the money is spread around more evenly, according to vote. Without uninvolved shareholders, there ceases to be a need for an accelerating rate of profit, so growth is no longer necessary, and inflation no longer happens. A company can be successful with the same profit every year, as long as it covers all expenses.

"Democratic Capitalism" is like "Mllitary Music" or "Clean Coal." (anyone who grew up with their home & schools heated by coal knows how absolute is that fallacy.)

What makes you think the essentially absolute power capitalism gives itself to perpetuate itself, would or even COULD ever allow that, in any way? OWS will tell you, they have the police and the army as well as the ability to create laws.

Capitalismm of ANY sort has proven without a doubt that it's antithetical to democracy on any level. We need to admit capitalism is THE root cause of all problems today. We need avoid continuing any part of a FAILED experiment, no matter how disturbung real change might be.

In fact, after readng Zinn ("People's History,") that might even include Possesssions, Money, and TRADE. And FORGET religion!
 
 
+3 # RHytonen 2013-05-19 08:13
But I do agree it would be good start to END investment and lending, and access to the national economy of scale for private profit. Limiting prices, profits, fotunes and wealth, like Scandinavia does, would also help.
A smaller power (government) cannot hope to regulate a larger one (Industry.)
 
 
+29 # fredboy 2013-05-18 18:08
They have long hated America. I have seen Republicans wince at the words "equality," "fairness," and "helping others." Once heard a Republican MBA present decry the First Amendment as "communist nonsense." When the first Soviet ships were allowed to visit our huge Norfolk naval base, I heard one US Navy officer sigh and say he wished he had the kind of power the Soviet officers had. Wild stuff!
 
 
+3 # Cassandra2012 2013-05-19 13:29
And they are the loudest to claoim they are 'Christians'... too.
 
 
+34 # dawn99 2013-05-18 18:11
I agree with overanddone.

I ask, "if/since they hate America, what do they love?"
The answer looks to be "Royalty"
i.e. very very very rich with lots of servants who can be killed/beaten/s tarved/walked on.
 
 
-28 # Jack Gibson 2013-05-18 18:38
Who's "they", Moore? I'll tell you who "they" are, they are also the "Democrats". Got that? I hope so.
 
 
-2 # Jack Gibson 2013-05-18 22:25
"(T)hey are also the 'Democrats'..." as well as the "Rethuglicans".
 
 
+36 # dascher 2013-05-18 18:42
The US is well on its way to becoming a "failed state". It exports state terror all over the world. No other country poses a real military threat to so many other countries and no other country has actually USED its military might to impose its will upon so many countries in the last 50 years.

North Korea, Iran, Syria, Libya - these so called 'axis of evil' countries have not invaded nor sent its military to attack any other country for at least 30 years. The list of countries the US has invaded and attacked and undermined through "covert actions" in the last 30 years is very long.

Nobody in the rest of the world can understand where Americans get the idea that we're the 'good guys'. We're a militaristic, out of control, plutocracy that presents a serious danger to the entire planet.
 
 
+8 # Rita Walpole Ague 2013-05-19 09:02
Yes, dascher, you tell it like it is. We, now considered to be the U.S. of (greed and power) A.(ddiction), and anything but 'good guys' do not understand how so many across the globe hold us, with lotsa justification, in total contempt.

"You Yanks are soooooo naive." Another bit of ugly truth.
 
 
+19 # Rick Levy 2013-05-18 20:31
For decades, the American right wing has put the left on the defensive as being disloyal to America when of course it's the rethugs and their cohorts who are the real traitors.

The problem is that the Demos have never had the guts to turn the tables and play up the Right's manipulation of the American mindset on this matter. For example, look at how John Kerry allowed the rethugs to swiftboat him from the the presidency in 2004. He should have fought back then and showed his accusers and their false charges against his service record for the liars and calumny that they were and the calumny that they were spreading. Due to this fecklessness , he lost my respect. And I doubt that I'm alone in this reaction against Kerry and any other "progressives" who let the rethugs control the narrative of who truly stands for America and the American way.
 
 
+1 # RHytonen 2013-05-19 08:16
Quoting Rick Levy:
For decades, the American right wing has put the left on the defensive as being disloyal to America when of course it's the rethugs and their cohorts who are the real traitors.


What "left?"
"Progressives?" Please.
Corporatists, all. Even Bernie!
 
 
+5 # larrypayne 2013-05-19 16:33
Wake up and realize that Kerry and Gore were only following the script. Our elections are choreographed. The winners and losers are predetermined by the corporatocracy who governs in secrecy.
 
 
-6 # The Voice of Reason 2013-05-18 22:06
Repugs have a lot of nerve. Only Muslims can hate America and get away with it.
 
 
-1 # Contra 2013-05-19 01:39
HELLS OPEN DOORS!

The 7.5 years of a WALL STREET BUSINESS driven and Commmie GOP induced ECONOMY is more than "W" hoovers propagandized watered down SUB PRIME little problem. Could it be........ THE RECORD trade deficit? THE RECORD budget deficit? THE RECORD national debt? RECORD HIGH foreclosure, RECORD drop in home equity, RECORD HIGH borrowing to pay for 2 wars off budget , or COULD IT BE THE NEGLECTED crumbling infrastructue, where brides are
collapsing, as the CLINTON SURPLUS is shipped to the GOP's WEALTHY BEYOND BELIEF GREED STRICKEN base or could it be RECORD HIGH gas prices at the pump, RECORD HIGH oil prices due to uncontrolled greedy WALL STREET speculators, A STOCK MARKET CRUMBLING daily due to no faith in this corrupt system , COULD IT ALSO BE that A GOP HELD Congress and the DECIDER sit and do nothing but watch, or the RECORD utility charges and the ENRON scandle, along with OUT OF CONTROL unemployment, kind of a BIG DISASTER LOOMING IN THE PNAC SHADOW GOVERNMENT? SOUNDS LIKE a crash is well on the way and a DEPRESSION not far behind!!!! RECORD RED INK LIKE A LEAD ELEPHANTS ASS sounds like a bunch of BROKEN RECORDS and an ECONOMY in CCU / ICU awaiting the REAPERS CALLING CARD !
 
 
+1 # pegasus4508 2013-05-19 14:01
You KNOW it is not fair to bring up what happened in the PAST, even though the past as always directly affects the future. One would think Obama was the FIRST president this country has ever had. ALL problems started on his watch. And even though he started in the hole, that is his fault. He had NO right to WIN this election.
 
 
+4 # brenda 2013-05-19 20:52
What??? Who then should run the country, Mickey and Minnie Mouse?
What Obama has done for anti-discrimina tion what no other had the balls to.
Obama brought Osama Bin Dead to justice.
Obama has tried to bring this country back together but the money driven Republicans would have it die and the working class become serfs again, just like in the early days. We're among the nations with the least public transportation. And what transportation we do have, dates back to the late 40's.
I'll tell you who's holding this country back. It's the rich bastards that own all the oil and gas reserves, that's who. Every great energy saving or producing idea has been pissed on by the Republican held House of Representatives . Every thought of bringing jobs back to the United States so people can work and earn a decent wage, has been pissed on by whom? The Rich money bribes to the Republican party and the Congressmen for sure.

I'm sick and tired of seeing the dumb misled jack ass public casting votes for the Republicans. I'm sick and tired of seeing the numb nuts Christians in the South and Midwest voting for these bastard Republicans. And lastly I'm sick and tired of seeing all the idiot people who are prejudiced against black people, and voting Republican instead.

I want the people in 2014 to send the Republican assholes a message...."Yer out a' hear, buster. You and your rich bastard people who think they can offer bribes and get away from it."
 
 
-3 # mdhome 2013-05-20 08:28
Please seek a mental health professional.
 
 
-2 # squinty 2013-05-19 06:12
So disagreeing with the current executives policies is now "treason" and to dissent is to "hate america?" That's exactly the same stupid bullshit people like Anne Coulter used to say during the Bush administration. In fact it's the same sort of thing conservative pundits said about Michael Moore and Bill Maher. Back then I defended Moore and Bill Maher and others, because dissent is not equivalent to treason. But now Michael Moore and Bill Maher have adopted the same low tactics as their critics and detractors. They have lowered themselves to the same level of discourse as Michelle Malkin or Anne Coulter, using the same cheap attacks on the integrity and patriotism of those who disagree with them. Their stupidity, arrogance and hypocrisy is just breathtaking.
 
 
+2 # pegasus4508 2013-05-19 14:04
Elected Democrats disagreed. They did NOT sabotage the country by blocking everything proposed. They did not, but in hindsight, they SHOULD HAVE.
 
 
+3 # squinty 2013-05-19 20:04
You mean, they should have committed "treason?" Because Maher and Moore just defined "blocking everything proposed" as treason. I call it being an effective opposition party, and I wish the Democrats had been effective.

Instead, elected Democrats rolled over for the worst totalitarian excesses of the War on Terror, and failed to be an opposition party, in part because they were cowed by accusations of "treason" and "hating America." That was a cheap bullying tactic then, it remains so now. Republicans between 2000 and 2008 tried to argue that any opposition to, or disagreement with, the executive was unpatriotic. Now supporters of the Obama administration are doing the same thing. Wrong and disgusting then, wrong and disgusting now.

Republican obstructionism is indeed frustrating and often bad policy, IMO. I don't think it's good for the country. But It's a hallmark of totalitarianism to brand those who disagree with you about policy as "treasonous." We elected Obama because we wanted to see an end to opaque government and the demonization of dissent, not to practice it ourselves. So shame on Michael Moore and Bill Maher for acting like Rush Limbaugh. Once upon a time they were better than him, but no more. I disagree with this administration' s policies, because I disagree that they are good for America, and they run counter to the promise he made in his campaigns. I criticize this administration because I love my country. Dissent is patriotic.
 
 
-2 # tonywicher 2013-05-19 10:19
I consider both Michel Moore and Bill Maher to be flacks for the liberal establishment whose job it is to get liberal Democrats to follow a Wall Street owned, CIA-owned Obama administration that is selling them out, selling out the New Deal and selling out every good thing the Democratic party ever stood for. The Republicans are right that Obamacare is a fraud, too. Obama is the man Wall Street has chosen to chain our seniors to the chained CPI. No Republican could ever get away with it.

That said, Republicans who hate government DO hate America. What is supposed to make this country "the Land of the Free" is precisely that it has a strong government that represents its people, a government by consent of the governed, one that governs the economy so as to enrich and develop the country as a whole, to provide maximum opportunity for all its citizens. The answer to bad government is not less government or no government, it is to have a good government with integrity.
 
 
+4 # spiritcallsus 2013-05-19 10:57
They hate because they fear ... they actually fear themselves and hate themselves and not realizing the truth of that they project it onto those who they claim are unlike themselves ... thank-god we are not all the same.
 
 
+1 # frederico 2013-05-20 13:39
# larrypayne 2013-05-18 13:43
"...Moore and Maher are happy with the status quo. They have both become extremely wealthy supporting our corporate police state while pretending to rail against it."

larrypayne got it right but he got 139 no votes and zero yes votes. That shows that most of you out there are Obama enablers. Like him and Moore and Maher, you no voters are guilty of torture, rape, murder, anonymous assassinations and many other crimes against humanity and the planet, by your worshiping of Obama and the system which created him. You people disgust me. You wine and cheese liberals and so called progressives are the reason Obama was and is able to pull off his act. You are so weak, you are the good Germans, as we all go down the toilet of (his)story together. Are you no voters the exceptional ameRikAns?
 
 
0 # larrypayne 2013-05-21 14:42
I am a little surprised by that rating,too.

But I have criticized Maher on other forums and received the same results. I used to like Maher until he started criticizing the 9/11 truth movement and defending Israel. I know he's smart enough to know that the three towers could not have fallen the way they did from fire alone. That tells me he is covering up for Israel. Larry Silverstein most likely provided access to the Towers for the explosives to be wired in.
 
 
+2 # Depressionborn 2013-05-21 03:49
George Washington called political parties "factions". He warned they were a way to ruin. We established a two party system. One, called the Democrat, forgetting the people, became opportunists who learned to lie, cheat and steal; the other, called the Republican, (known as the stupid party), also turned opportunist, and, forgetting principle, learned to become rich and wealthy with Crony capitalism.

Now the two have joined and we have one party, the party of government?
 
 
0 # squinty 2013-06-23 04:51
"Treason against the United States," the Constitution says, "shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." It adds: "No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324688404578543410828226862.html
 

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