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Tomasky writes: "The double-barrel revelations that the White House hasn't quite been telling the whole story on Benghazi and that some mid-level IRS people targeted some Tea Party groups for scrutiny are guaranteed to ramp up the crazy."

President Barack Obama during his victory speech. (photo: Guardian UK)
President Barack Obama during his victory speech. (photo: Guardian UK)

The Coming Attempt to Impeach Obama

By Michael Tomasky, The Daily Beast

12 May 13


The idea of impeaching Obama is industrial-strength insane. Republicans will probably try anyway, predicts Michael Tomasky.

hen the histories of this administration are written, I hope fervently that last Friday, May 10, does not figure prominently in them. But I fear that it might: the double-barrel revelations that the White House hasn't quite been telling the whole story on Benghazi and that some mid-level IRS people targeted some Tea Party groups for scrutiny are guaranteed to ramp up the crazy. But to what extent? I fear it could be considerable, and the people in the White House damn well better fear the same, or we're going to be contemplating an extremely ugly situation come 2015, especially if the Republicans have held the House and captured the Senate in the by-elections.

Let me clarify a point that's been going around. On MSNBC Friday, I broached the I-word. You know the one. Three syllables. Links Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton. I said something like: I have little doubt the Republicans would try to pursue it - something I've written dozens of times without readers really batting an eye. But I guess saying it on TV, and on a fateful day, is different. I was on the business end of a small number of angry tweets from liberal readers, and I see that the UK Daily Mail trotted out my statement in a way that made it sound as if I thought it was legitimate.



I didn't get to finish my thought on television for one reason or another, but here on my home field, as it were, permit me to finish it: I think the notion of impeachment is industrial-strength insane. There is utterly no proof that the President Obama even knew anything directly about the shifting Benghazi responses, let alone did something about them (yes, folks; under the Constitution, the President must do something). And as for the Internal Revenue Service story, from what we now know, those transgressions were committed by IRS staffers in Cincinnati who have never been closer to Obama than their television sets. I always held a squishy spot in my breast for the Daily Mail because of the "Paperback Writer" mention, but as of this weekend they can go stick it up their punter, or whatever it is they say. Impeachment is crazy, the Daily Mail is crazy, and the idea that Obama has any direct culpability in either of these matters is, given what we know today, utter madness. Okay?

But this is my point: utter madness is what today's Republicans do. You can present to me every logical argument you desire. Benghazi at the end of the day was a terrible tragedy in which mistakes, bad mistakes, were certainly made, and in which confusion and the CYA reflex led to some bad information going out to the public initially, but none of this remotely rises to the level of high crime. The IRS cock-up was just that, a mistake by a regional office. I get all this, and I agree with you.

But what we think doesn't matter. I can assure you that already in the Pavlovian swamps of the nutso right, the glands are swelling. Theirs is a different planet from the one you and I inhabit. Most Republican members of the House live in districts where it is a given (among the white constituents, anyway) that Obama is a socialist; that's he bent on bringing the United States of America down, or at least that he definitely doesn't love the country and the Constitution (nudge nudge) the way they do; that he's not a legitimate occupant of the Oval Office to start with. At the time he was sworn in to his second term, 64 percent of Republicans agreed that Obama was "hiding important information" about his background. Half thought in December 2012 that he stole the election.

At this point some of you may be protesting: but at least Clinton did commit a crime, however lame a crime it was. Obama has done no such thing. Again, in reality-land, no, he hasn't. In their land, however, he has committed a string of them; he just hasn't been caught yet. And that's what Darrell Issa and his committee are there to unearth. Besides, he need commit no conventional crime. A high crime or misdemeanor is whatever the House majority decides it is. Remember, in January 1998, impeachment talk started before Clinton had perjured himself.

There is no end to it. And there is no end to Republican figures - and to a distressing extent, the mainstream media - feeding the crazy. When Lindsey Graham calls Benghazi "Obama's Watergate," he knows exactly what he's saying, and so do Republicans in South Carolina, and across the country. And observe over the next few days - it's already happening - how quickly journalistic shorthand, certainly in the right-wing media, converts the Cincinnati IRS office into "Obama's IRS," as if he were sitting around like Nixon personally targeting these groups. You and I know that's absurd. But on the right, it's a given that he was doing exactly that.

Okay, but surely, you say, if facts don't matter, then public opinion does? Think again, my friend. In 1998, support for impeachment of Bill Clinton was rarely above 30 percent. Here's a little sampling of surveys from August and September of that year, during the heat of battle - the release of Clinton's grand-jury testimony and of the Starr Report. Levels of support for impeachment were 26 percent, 25, 18, 27, 17, and so on. There was one poll where it hit 40 percent, but most were far lower. And remember, in political terms, 40 is the butt end of a massive landslide. The public hated the idea.

Did that stop anyone? No. And it won't stop them now. They do their base's bidding, not America's. How many times do you need to see them do this before you accept that it is the reality? And now there's an added element. They want to gin up turnout among their base for next year's elections. And if they gin it up enough, and the Democratic base stays home, they could end up holding the House and taking the Senate. And if they have both houses, meaning that the vote in the House would not be certain to hit a Senate dead-end, well, look out.

I hope the White House knows this. I hope they understand, I hope the President himself understands, that the fever has not broken and will not break. It might crescendo right up to his very last day in office. And yes, a lot of this Benghazi stuff is about Hillary Clinton. But not all of it. And the IRS thing, which Drudge led with for two days in a row and may yet be bigger than Benghazi, isn't about her at all. If my worst fears are never realized - well, good, obviously. But it will only be because they couldn't identify even a flimsy pretext on which to proceed. Never put the most extreme behavior past them. It is who they are, and it is what they do. your social media marketing partner


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+50 # universlman 2013-05-12 13:46
Perhaps impeachment should just be made automatic for all Presidents. The opposition has been contemplating this one since his first election.
+72 # Petey_Cat 2013-05-12 21:46
Oh, I think they've been contemplating it for longer than that---at the very least, they've been thinking about it since the day in 2008 that he clinched the Democratic nomination.
+9 # maddave 2013-05-12 23:23
Part #1 of 2
In in reading and re-reading the multiple Tea-Bagger-Base d Benghazi essays currently pouring in, I now understand the crux - the s essence - of the GOP's argument. The awareness descended upon me as solidly as any epiphany ever visited upon any one of Jesus' Disciples.  I now know. I understand. I believe. Let me share it with you:
 It took several hours and multiple readings of several semi-literate screeds but the light finally dawned upon me: The Loyal (conservative) Opposition is deeply and rightfully concerned about HOW a hostile, foreign-born, dark-skinned moslem radical with the expressed intention of attacking and destroying our Constitution and our American values could ever get into so secure and sensitive an area, and, by God, they are right!!  I’m talking about Obama, of course, but if he can do it, come 2016, what’s to stop Hillary from picking up where he leaves off? The specter is too frightening for words.
+30 # robniel 2013-05-13 09:07
It's sad that there are so many "Americans" who must face the fact that a biracial male raised by a single parent has achieved the highest office in the land while they themselves have achieved basically nothing and seek to delude themselves into thinking that they are not losers.
-5 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-05-13 21:52
# MADDAVE Think you are frightening yourself. Would you mind re-reading all those papers and documents again? Why would Hillary "pick up where he left off?" Please visit your psychiatrist, you know the one you visit at least twice a week and ask him or her as an impartial observer if as you say Obama is "hostile, foreign-born, dark-skinned, moslum (which you misspelled)radi cal. Who has "expressed intention of attacking and destroying our constitution and our American values." People like you, and you sound most probably like a Tea Bagger,"are too frightening for words."
Here is food for your thought.
In terms of national diet, America is one of the fattest civilizations that ever existed on this planet. Second, our youth score 25th in the world in math and science. This country was long screwed in the previously mentioned two wrongly taken paths long before Obama came along.
+9 # maddave 2013-05-14 15:19
I dispair over my (and others') inability to reach more RSN readers with our satire & parody.
. . . are you listening Eldon?
My target, above, was those right-wing knuckle draggers who continue to beat up on Obama for a single attack . . . which was little different from eight such attacks - on Bush II's watch - that those same nit-wits ignored.

RSN might do well to include space in which more creative writers might draw pictures and line diagrams for those amongst us who move their lips, word-by-word, as they read.
+1 # X Dane 2013-05-15 10:58
No, I DID "get it". The reason so many do NOT, is that SOME commenting, might write what you did, but they REALLY MEAN IT. I have read your other comments so I felt sure, that this was satire.
0 # bmiluski 2013-05-16 09:17
Actually, it was 55 attacks, 13 Americans killed and only 3 investigations. But then of course, that president was a republican, so nothing was ever questioned.
0 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-05-17 19:03
OK, I was in a too serious moment when I read your missive. I like your post.
+8 # 666 2013-05-14 05:35
If they gonna impeach him, at least set a precedent and do it for the right reasons, exceeding his constitutional authority to wage war anywhere, anytime, against anyone.
+45 # maddave 2013-05-12 23:45
Part #2 of 2

Benghazi thing was a planned raid precipitated in reaction to US extra-military activity in Libya and elsewhere in Arab lands. Example: Do you believe that the Syrian uprising, was the result of "the people rising up spontaneously --- in unison --- in opposition to a cruel, oppressive government"?
Hell no it wasn't!!!
It takes lots of time, money, talent, planning and preparation to choreograph  the level of spontaneity that Mossad & the CIA achieved in Syria! (For more reading on our monkeying around in Libya,  Google "Libyan Gold Dinar for Oil")

So get used to it! This time there ain't gonna be no semen-stained black dress to save the GOP's orthodox asses. The Benghazi attack was an unintended (by us) consequence of still another ham-fisted clandestine covert operation that got out of hand - not unlike those cluster f***ks that created Osama bin Laden; Saddam Hussein; and dozens of restive puppet proxy's before and after them.  Without changes, we can count on now is that there will be more Benghazi's for just as long as we occupy foreign bases; brazenly torture, imprison and kill foreign nationals; and shove our self-annointed exceptional-ism in the faces of angry, hungry people who know how to make & use field-expedient weapons (IED's, etc) and who have little-or-nothi ng to lose by deploying them!

Bring our troops home - all of them!
+21 # Eldon J. Bloedorn 2013-05-13 12:27
Just another slot in time. I'm 72 years of age. Shortly after I was born, WW2, then McCarthy(ism), Korean conflict, Vietnam, killings of public servants, 9/11, bush Wars. It will end when murder is no longer a national pass time, sport.
-20 # edge 2013-05-13 06:48
Quoting universlman:
Perhaps impeachment should just be made automatic for all Presidents. The opposition has been contemplating this one since his first election.

This NOT a one way street!!!
Nixon Articles of Impeachment for IRS abuses!

"Article 2
This conduct has included one or more of the following:
He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner."
+23 # WallStWallFlowerGirl 2013-05-13 11:17
Impeachment should be automatic for people holding positions of power whose choices impact our lives much faster than what a presidential puppet can do.

Antonin Scalia should've been impeached long ago, as evidenced by his abuse of the robe. Allowing him to continue on SCOTUS is akin to the Catholic Church big shots who moved pedophile priests from one church to another, instead of holding them accountable for their crimes.

As long as this nation keeps employed judges, Senators and anyone who abuses positions of power (Mark Sanford, anyone?) regardless of what political party they call home, we are not doing our jobs; we're just whining about it. America is sinking because more people than not expect change to happen without doing anything to make that happen.

May as well just get back on our sailboats and look for the edge of the world.
-33 # edge 2013-05-13 14:04
WallStWallFlowe rGirl, please take your meds, you are completely unhinged with hatred!
+1 # bmiluski 2013-05-16 09:19
How is she unhinged? Please explain.
+112 # tswhiskers 2013-05-12 13:47
The possible impeachment of Obama by the House will simply cap the insane antics of Reps. since at least 2000. Since 1994 and Gingerich's Contract with America, this country has tolerated what amounts to unbelievable childishness in our Congress. They thought to win over the wealthy and they succeeded, at the cost of the middle of the population. Now these same spoiled brats in the House will, if it suits them, impeach another fine president who unlike Clinton has done NOTHING that could be construed as impeachable; and they and their wealthy constituents won't care in the least that their behavior will be (and has been) viewed as bizarre by many Americans as well as the rest of the world. Isn't it ironic that this same Congress that has urged democracy on the Middle East is a really crazy place and hardly a model of sane, mature democratic government? We have always touted our maturity by proudly pointing out the fact that in every election since our founding the entire turnover of office has been peaceful and orderly; no coups or revolutions. Now since 2000 with Bush v. Gore, corrupted voting machines, voter ID laws, and now attempts in NC to fine parents if their kids register to vote at their colleges instead of at home, the Reps. have been breathtaking in their ingenuity and increasing obsession of finding ways to discourage the vote. Too bad that same ingenuity isn't being used to improve our lives and the real governance OF this country.
+87 # davidr 2013-05-12 18:36
The Republicans, I suppose, could seek to impeach the President if they elected 51 Senators and held the House. McCain has already said he's not on board, so they might need 52. I don't know how much Kelly Ayotte wants to return to the Senate, so that may mean 53. But after all the calculus, it could happen. It really depends on how self-destructiv e the Republicans turn out to be. Biden would finish out the President's term, and the Dems, by virtue of the huge public disapproval of the process (see Clinton's experience cited by Tomaskey), would quite probably sweep both houses and the Presidency in 2016. Just at the level of politics, it's a stupid strategy, but …they're pretty stupid.
+16 # Rain17 2013-05-13 00:58
No way that impeachment of Obama passes. At the very most they could clear it out of the House because they can get 218 votes if they aggressively whip the GOP caucus. But to remove Obama from office they need 67 votes in the Senate. I don't see the Republicans getting 22 Democrats to join them to remove Obama from office. Short of President Obama molesting children or killing someone, I don't see how the GOP convinces enough Democrats to remove him from office.

The worst that could happen is that the Articles of Impeachment clear the House and the Senate trial happens. The Senate trial then results in an acquittal because the GOP, even if they get Landrieu, Manchin, Pryor, and other red state Democrats (which I don't even see that happening), still falls short of the 67 votes to remove President Obama.
+4 # davidr 2013-05-13 09:09
Thanks. Despite having seen the process unfold twice already, I didn't recollect the majority required to convict. Embarrassing.
+7 # robniel 2013-05-13 09:11
Quoting davidr:
I don't know how much Kelly Ayotte wants to return to the Senate

She may not have a choice. Her Town Hall events have been disasters.
-44 # The Voice of Reason 2013-05-12 21:20
Ah yes, the politics of election rigging. yuck. here we go again. Don't you guys ever get tired of this? How many decades have we heard the hollow slogan 'time for a change' and gotten more of the same? but America is the greatest country in the world (thank you for your vote, now go home).
+63 # Walter J Smith 2013-05-12 21:49
The right wing nitwits are the least of Obama's worries.

He is losing the left.

Keep up.

All he needs to do now to lose the left is continue doing what he has been doing: pandering to the Tea Party & Wall Street.
+15 # carp 2013-05-12 23:17
Quoting Walter J Smith:
The right wing nitwits are the least of Obama's worries.

He is losing the left.

Keep up.

All he needs to do now to lose the left is continue doing what he has been doing: pandering to the Tea Party & Wall Street.

not to mention giving away the farm to Monsanto.
I am to the point of just giving the whole enchilada to the Rethuglicans. That way the democrats won't keep breaking my heart.
0 # bmiluski 2013-05-16 09:20
Unfortunately, should you do that then it won't be just your heart that would be broken. This country, as a start.
-13 # DeadlyClear 2013-05-13 02:49
Wait till it comes out that it was under his administration that the FDIC and Treasury concealed truths about the banks and the failed REMIC securitized trusts. The Left and the 99% will be asking for impeachment.
+10 # RHytonen 2013-05-13 05:48
Quoting Walter J Smith:
The right wing nitwits are the least of Obama's worries.

He is losing the left.

Keep up.

All he needs to do now to lose the left is continue doing what he has been doing: pandering to the Tea Party & Wall Street.

-and Big Energy Extraction, and Monsanto, and TransCanada...
and Fix The Debt-
Hmm. Wait a minute.
+28 # RHytonen 2013-05-13 05:51
"at least Clinton did commit a crime"

As did Cheney, Bush, David Vitter-(commit FAR more serious ones)

and BTW NOT Weiner
+4 # RHytonen 2013-05-13 05:59
Quoting Walter J Smith:
The right wing nitwits are the least of Obama's worries.

He is losing the left.

Keep up.

All he needs to do now to lose the left is continue

He still HAS them?
We voted and registered GREEN (Mountain Party) as of the PhRMA/Single Payer debacle, after which it got even worse.
Accepting The BIG LIE of Fix The Debt is really the final straw that broke the New Deal's back.

How I thank my lucky stars I wasn't born into THIS generation. Then again, a significant number of the kids in the family are smart enough to have relocated to other countries, where hopefully the ('R' AND 'D') Galts won't move after completely fouling this one - which WILL be completed in their lifetime, if not ours.
+13 # rangerrandy 2013-05-13 07:07
Exactly Mr. Smith
I'm a registered Independent who usually votes Dem. Our president, a good man at heart, continues to attempts to reason with unreasonable conservatives. I would say to President Obama to play to his own base and left leaning independents like myself, as the Republican congress people are playing to their own backers, who unfortunately are not their base, but seem to be self serving Individuals and corporations
+1 # geraldom 2013-05-13 12:45
Quoting Walter J Smith:
The right wing nitwits are the least of Obama's worries.

He is losing the left.

Keep up.

All he needs to do now to lose the left is continue doing what he has been doing: pandering to the Tea Party & Wall Street.

Why should Obama care that he is losing the left? This will be his last term as president and I don't really think that he will be running for office again after this. What he is doing is destroying the Democratic Party by acting more like another Bush administration. a fourth Bush administration to be precise.

What bothers me the most is that the Congressional Democrats are acting like Lemmings by jumping off the same cliff that Obama is jumping off with the only difference being that Obama has a parachute and they don't.

Instead of acting like like an independent branch of our government, the Congressional Democrats have fused themselves to the Executive branch by supporting Obama's disastrous agenda by voting to extend all of Bush's heinous Bills that were passed with the support of the Democrats, the Patriot, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA Bill, and by approving Obama's own pet project, the NDAA which gives Obama and all future presidents the power of a dictator.

The Congressional Democrats are not only cutting their own throats, but will cause more and more state governments to go Republican as occurred during the 2010 midterm elections. How dumb can they be?
+14 # Billy Bob 2013-05-12 21:52
This is what conservatives do. Liberals (and pretend liberals like Obama) play nice so they won't offend anybody. Conservatives always go for the throat, especially if it offends someone. That's part of the conservative psyche. This is why they always get their way.

I don't see this changing any time soon.
+15 # 2013-05-12 22:16
At this point in time, I can almost assure the Republican Party that impeaching President Obama to please their Tea Party base will result in their loss of the House of Representatives . American voters showed their displeasure with those tactics last November. I would not want to provoke voters further if I were them. On the other hand, we would all appreciate the favor of handing over the government to those who know how to govern.
+8 # Douglas Jack 2013-05-12 22:25
Flushing out the Rage. There should be a lot more one-on-one 'debate' (French 'de' = 'undo' + 'bate' = 'the-fight') over issues including Benghazi so that citizens can see exactly what each side represents. The right accuses & tries to win without specific charges or evidence by innuendo or association. In debate they fail miserably because everything is out in the open where all can see both sides presented. In debate the right is exposed for their faulty thinking, fantasy assumptions as well as their mean spirited selfishness.
Considering the Democrat minority & Republican obstructionism, as well as Blue-dog Democrats Obama should be leading by debate so that debates are happening in every political jurisdiction, industry, business, education & institutions.

There must be leadership for those of us who are committed to non-interventio n-peace, hearing both sides of issues, building self-sufficienc y, ecological-econ omy, strong response to climate change & a welcoming inclusive livelihood for all, to join together and exemplify these changes in our personal lives, multihome complexes, professional associations & consumption.
+17 # Michaeljohn 2013-05-12 22:29
During the Bush presidencies, the IRS targeted anti-war groups. So called liberals complained loudly as the right wingers are doing now; but the major difference seems to be that the IRS apologized to the Tea Party and Patriot groups whereas Bush never apologized to the antiwar groups nor did the FBI apologize for infiltrating the Occupy movement.
The crazies are still a substantial but very vocal minority with substantial money behind them; and in some states, the 'Tenther' crowd has started to push nullification legislation. But if you read the actual Tenth Amendment, the powers addressed by the amendment are left "to the States or the people." That "or the people" doesn't mean the people of the individual state, it means the people of the country and if we had a national referendum process, the will of the people in that process would prevail.
+4 # EnvironmentalOrganizer 2013-05-12 22:39
Really you are worried that the tea party will impeach Obama over Bengazi? Do you even care about his role in continuing and expanding upon the war crimes of Bush etc? Do you care that Bush wasn't impeached for his extra constitutional activities which then led the way for Obama to continue this same overreach of power? I truly hope one of theses corporate backed criminals gets impeached and arrested otherwise our power will continue to be sold out to their corporate backers and our country will continue the slide into corporate fascism.
-12 # Dr Binky 2013-05-12 22:56
This is crazy. Obama would never mislead the public about an embarrassing political mistake. Never. And stoop to sicking the IRS on our political enemies--crazy.
-13 # tonywicher 2013-05-13 21:31
Obama is Nixon and Bush put together on steroids!
+28 # tm7devils 2013-05-12 22:59
Funny how repugs might try the 'impeachment card' for Obama - on flimsy charges...but thought that Bush, who lied to congress and the American people to start an illegal war(Iraq); got over 4000 US soldiers killed; physically injured over 30,000; psychologically harmed over half of those who fought in the war; killed over 500,000 innocent Iraqi civilians; displaced over 1,000,000; and cost us 2 trillion; and, allowed the banks and big business to nearly bring down the financial system of the US (wait for it...) - should get a pass?
Fantasy Land has nothing on us...(well, half of us)
-5 # pegasus4508 2013-05-13 15:01
Good luck getting any simple minded republican to sign on to that treason. Great job though!
+4 # Shorey13 2013-05-12 23:22
Our "democracy" is on life support. Dead in the water. And our President, though he hasn't committed any impeachable offenses, is weak and incompetent. Where is Harry Truman when we need him? When confronted by a similar right wing Congress, Truman said (for the record!) "I welcome their hatred!" He went on to win the election, against all odds. Obama is playing golf with the Republicans. I rest my case.
+1 # X Dane 2013-05-15 11:09
Shorey 13.

Wrong president. It was FDR, who said. "I welcome their hatred"
+13 # WallStWallFlowerGirl 2013-05-12 23:56
Is writing about this helping any? Not so sure. This hadn't even crossed my mind! But now that we're talking about it, I feel like we're helping the Rethuglican lynch mob. Surging interest is like publicity for a celebrity; bad publicity is better than no publicity.

I understand the need to be forewarned- and Congressional malfeasance means we always have to sleep with one eye open. But talking about the "I" word means we won't have our eyes where they need to stay focused; Monsanto, the brothers Koch, Health Care, the environment, Wall Street... The distraction of impeachment is just what Darrell-Isa-pie ce-of-crap and his ilk want: not paying attention to the real criminals.
0 # tonywicher 2013-05-13 21:32
Sounds like another high-tech lynching. Who said that?
+18 # geraldom 2013-05-13 00:13
This is what I hate about both the Republicans and the Democrats. The Republicans are willing to impeach a Democratic president for issues that don't truly warrant impeachment like Clinton and Monica Lewinsky or on issues where they have really no hard evidence of any wrong doing. For almost the whole time Obama has been president, the Republican House seems to have had a constant investigation going against Obama on most everything.

The Democrats are afraid of their own shadows. They are afraid to impeach any Republican president even when there is more than ample evidence of treason, war crimes, and crimes against humanity, as there was against both Bush and Cheney. Bush and Cheney actually admitted their guilt publicly on television after denying that they were illegally spying on U.S. citizens and illegally torturing human beings.

The Republicans have become the purest essence of evil while the Democrats have become damn fools and idiots. A good example of this is what happened recently with the discussion about changing the Senate rules on the filibuster. Harry Reid and a small number of Democrats didn't have the huevos to repeal the damn thing, but I assure you that if the shoe were on the other foot, the Republicans would have killed the filibuster in a heartbeat without any reluctance or regret. They openly threatened to do this when they had the majority in the Senate and Bush wanted to get Roberts and Alito onto SCOTUS, the nuclear option.
+9 # Rain17 2013-05-13 00:54
It's amazing how history repeats itself. If they try to do it it will backfire against them, much like it did in the 1998 elections. What was supposed to be a GOP landslide that year turned into a slight Democratic win.

On some level I'm still somewhat surprised that, absent the Benghazi and IRS issues, that the right has not harassed Obama in the courts to the extent that they did Clinton. That no "Illinois Project" emerged surprises me because they went after Clinton aggressively. That they have sent Independent Counsels after Obama still amazes me.

But let them try to impeach President Obama. It will go nowhere, much like their attempts to Clinton failed. And even if they get it past the House, there is no way that 22 Democratic Senators vote to impeach their own president. It will damage them in the 2014 election.
-6 # Malcolm 2013-05-13 01:14
While I agree that the arguments listed as bases for impeachment appear to be typical rethuglican inanities, Tomasky's statement, "... but at least Clinton did commit a crime, however lame a crime it was. Obama has done no such thing." makes me wonder where he's been living while Obombya signed the bloody NDAA business and while Obombya has carried out his extrajudicial killing spree; those aren't crimes anymore?
+7 # Billy Bob 2013-05-13 14:37
Actually, Clinton didn't commit a crime either. The "crime" in question was "perjury". The problem is that it's only perjury if you're asked a question pertinent to the trial at hand. He was being investigated about Whitewater? Does anybody remember Whitewater? Not really, because it was the Benghazi of the '90s. During that hearing he was asked an entirely inappropriate question about having an affair. The trial had nothing to do with that, because affairs are legal. He lied about it and was "impeached", due to committing a sin that was not a crime.

The point was never about blowjobs. The point was about preventing him from getting anything else done. That's why Obama is still dealing with the "new and improved" repug distractions.


Repugs can get away with this, but Democrats can't. That's the rules.
+9 # m... 2013-05-13 01:32
Maybe this is the moment it dawns on Obama that he is actually living in a Political War Trench from where he is supposed to be a LEADER who LEADS THE NATION in the direction the MAJORITY Voted him into Office for..,-- and not always try to get along, and not always try to find the 'middle' ground (when we're already been dragged Waaaay far into Far right Field)..,
Maybe this is the moment where he realizes he has to stop being the obsessive mediator-- 'Mr Get-Along'... and ... 'Mr Unflappable' and instead, begin instilling passion back into the actual majority to rally behind him and drive the Country back to one with a Government run for the Common Good, where Corporations and the Super Wealthy cannot own all the Media and all the Representatives and all the Functions of Government through Cash Cow Contracts.
The only thing to Fear is Fear Itself Mr. Obama... If you Lead, the Majority will follow. Start pounding your fist on that pulpit and demand We speak up and 'They' Listen... You want to Mediate, Mediate that...
-4 # lorenbliss 2013-05-13 01:53
The president has already lost the elderly and disabled Left. He lost us for good when he transformed himself -- for the second time -- from Obama the Orator back into Barack the Betrayer, and then communicated his sneering “gotcha” by declaring (genocidal) war on Social Security and Medicare.

Frankly I hope he is impeached: a President Biden would be a profound improvement over the man who won office by the Big Lie of "change we can believe in"-- and then proved himself not only a conservative Republican in Democrat disguise but the most brazenly dishonest president in U.S. history.

Indeed Obama is the GOP's best friend: his multiple treacheries already ensure a Republican landslide next year and a Republican presidency after 2016.

And why not? We will be ruled by Ayn Rand fascism either way – and I for one believe it is easier to build a resistance movement against declared fascists than against clandestine fascists who hide their malevolence, as Obama does, beneath progressive rhetoric.
-2 # cordleycoit 2013-05-13 02:49
I fear that impeachment would lead to direct rule and Civil War. The Tea Party wants that for some suicidal reasoning. The one percent would then feel like a majority. It is one the empire could die. Obama the tyrant can be by other means. Non violent resistance is an option. Censure might work and there is the military take over as Obama lets the banksters wreck the economy. I am afraid that Obama has too many blind spots to lead us honestly. The political parties are filled with the worst criminals alive.People who wreck systems to enrich themselves are not fit to lead.
+2 # RMDC 2013-05-13 04:23
I have no doubt that the reps would try an impeachment if they could. Even though it would not likely be successful, it would tie Obama up in a media mess and prevent his doing anything for the next three years.

Reps probably believe an impeachment attempt would help them in 2014 and 2014. It may rev up their looney, teaparty base, but it would turn far more people away from the rep party.

Obama should be impeached for his wars in Libya and Syria and for his drone murders. But reps won't touch those because they like them. Let's face it -- Obama like Clinton is the best president that neo-cons and conservatives have ever had.
+4 # Activista 2013-05-13 11:16
Obama like Clinton is the best president that neo-cons and conservatives have ever had....
agree ... look what neocons and neo-neocons accomplished in the last four years ..
under cover from Obama ... follow the money
-2 # Inspired Citizen 2013-05-13 05:42
Even though Obama should have been impeached long ago...

...that will not happen if the Republicans in the House are not politically retarded. The last thing that they should want is an incumbent President Biden to try to defeat in 2016.
+11 # SusanT136 2013-05-13 06:07
Guaranteed this will be the Republican focus for the next 3 1/2 years. This way they can keep from having to discuss any meaningful legislation, especially anything progressive like bills Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders and John Conyers have proposed.

Obama has lost the left because he never really was progressive - he's a moderate Republican. But if progressives don't watch out all that will be discussed for the next 3 1/2 years will be impeachment / what he knew when, and meanwhile austerity measures will be accelerated including social security and medicare cuts. And by watch out I mean that MSNBC can't spend too much time legitimizing such insanity by talking about it too much. There are representatives in Congress trying to do the people's agenda - lets start talking about this long and loud, everyday. Change the focus.
+12 # fredboy 2013-05-13 06:13
This is what happens when you give up the House majority and let the nuts take over.
+20 # ddd-rrr 2013-05-13 06:38
It is deer-tick season here in the northeastern part of the US, and this year it appears to be much worse than usual. Those little single-minded blood-sucking bastards suddenly reminded me of many Republican politicians - but ticks are only after your blood, unlike the Republicans who are after not only your blood (with war-mongering), but also your income (with attempts to kill successful and essential social programs and to reduce the power of unions), your ability to vote (with their voter-suppressi on laws), your ability to determine what you want to do with your own body (with their anti-abortion schemes - but, hey, "Get the gov'mint off our backs [but not out of our bedrooms]!"), your food and economic safety (with, "Stop inspecting our food supplies and regulating monetary affairs - those be private!"), and too many other things to mention here. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that "hypocrisy", thy true name is "Republicanism" - and my question is, "Why would anyone in their right mind vote for politicians whose interests appear to be simply power and money, with little concern for the public or private well-being?".
+5 # Malcolm 2013-05-13 11:04
What's the difference between a crab louse and a politician?

One is a blood sucking parasite. The other is an insect.

Politics: noun. From poly=many, and togs=blood sucking parasites.
+1 # Sweet Pea 2013-05-15 06:48
Quoting ddd-rrr:
It is deer-tick season here in the northeastern part of the US, and this year it appears to be much worse than usual. Those little single-minded blood-sucking bastards suddenly reminded me of many Republican politicians - but ticks are only after your blood, unlike the Republicans who are after not only your blood (with war-mongering), but also your income (with attempts to kill successful and essential social programs and to reduce the power of unions), your ability to vote (with their voter-suppression laws), your ability to determine what you want to do with your own body (with their anti-abortion schemes - but, hey, "Get the gov'mint off our backs [but not out of our bedrooms]!"), your food and economic safety (with, "Stop inspecting our food supplies and regulating monetary affairs - those be private!"), and too many other things to mention here. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that "hypocrisy", thy true name is "Republicanism" - and my question is, "Why would anyone in their right mind vote for politicians whose interests appear to be simply power and money, with little concern for the public or private well-being?".

And where are we going to find a candidate that cares about the "people" and will be able to fund their own campaign without the help of the mega-wealthy? As long as we have our current system of election funding we will always have a candidate that is bought and paid for long before a vote has been cast.
-11 # MidwestTom 2013-05-13 06:40
Nobody died at Watergate, but we got Nixon. It may be reversed this time.
+6 # m... 2013-05-14 00:35
Nixon was a dark, devious, crooked, paranoid, law breaking bastard...

What's going on now is a crime by the Republicans. This is the Rightwing using their gigantic, all pervasive, singular tone, corporate media empire to distract the nation from what they are doing-not doing in Washington and to also do as much damage as possible to Obama AND to Hillary Clinton.
There is no Representation of the People or doing work for the Common Good of the Nation going on from the Republicans--- There is only their singular agenda to acquire and hold power by whatever means they can in order to do the bidding of their Big Global Corporate Masters....
+6 # joe_me 2013-05-13 06:56
Obama certainly leans right (REPUBLICAN) without a doubt but impeachment?? Give me a break!!!

IMPEACH U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and Lanny Breuer, head of Justice Department's criminal division, they are better candidates & were partners for years at a Washington law firm (Covington & Burling) that represented a Who's Who of big banks and other companies at the center of alleged foreclosure fraud.

AG Eric Holder is just a WALL STREET PUPPET & will never jail any of his BANKSTER BUDDIES it is a federal conflict of interest & wont prosecute his previous customers he belongs unemployed & does not represent me or my interests for 1 second.
+3 # corey 2013-05-13 07:12
Whenever a Dem is in the WH the Repubs always want to impeach. What they should of done is impeached Nixon , that way the word impeach wouldn't actually mean a joke. But presidents don't hold prior presidents accountable or responsible, that is part of the true oath of office.
+14 # Rick Mason 2013-05-13 07:46
Republicans and Christians share one self destructive, childish trait. When presented with verifiable facts that go against their core belief systems, rather than accept what's being presented, they just ignore it and attack the messenger. Normally, I don't let what others believe bother me, that is, until those beliefs start negatively effecting my life. The nuts on the right have sworn to stop Obama from advancing any part of the agenda he campaigned on, whether it is good for Americans or not!! His plan to put Americans back to work repairing our crumbling infrastructure was brilliant, would have created hundreds of thousands of jobs and saved many failing construction companies. But, as brilliant as this plan was, the right wing-nuts in Congress and the Senate, as well as a lot of their constituents vowed to block it at any cost. And they did! If that's not insane, it's at least childish and selfish. It's like telling your doctor not to perform the operation he just told you would save your life!
All Obama needs to do to save his presidency is grow a set of balls and make his plan happen. George W. Bush swore he would become a war president during a time of peace, and he did it by either allowing or making 9/11 happen then using executive orders to pass unconstitutiona l and unpopular laws that got us in the two stupid wars we are still prosecuting! America needs Obama's agenda far more than we needed Bush's!! Like they say.....JUST DO IT!
+5 # wwway 2013-05-13 08:08
Republicans are like automatic weapons with huge magazines filled with deadly poison filled bullets designed to kill directly or with a graze. 40 years ago they pulled the triger and Americans gladly took hits. Bullets= Americans are lazy, no good for nothing, Godless, babykillers, deserve to slave to put money in the pockets of the rich for the promise of getting rich while paying all the expenses of the rich. Americans are just babies who don't know what they want so Republicans know what's best and will punish our choices. Americans are too stupid to vote. Americans who don't carry guns with the dream of being a random hero are going to get mowed down. Americans must hate their government, their neighbor, the gays and lesbians. The sins of Republicans are OK. Republican hypocrisy is ok. Shall I go on? There's so many more bullets to list! Should we be surprised at the emphasis on Bengazi?
Sometimes I can't tell if Americans have accepted their last breath from the 40 year barage of accepting non stop deadly bullets or if they are going to stand up and fight. I do know this. Democracy is a process that ensures the people get the government they deserve.
-24 # charsjcca 2013-05-13 08:19
The impeachment of Barack Obama is not about some crazies, it is a constitutional option when the people become dissatisfied with leadership. Obama will be given the opportunity to make a case for his retention, to present himself to the people and we can judge. This is not the same as a national political campaign. This is a public examination, not a beauty contest.

We shall see WHAT we see.
+12 # walt 2013-05-13 08:22
Republicans have stooped so low that one wonders how mush lower they can go. However, the apparent hatred for a black president is not going to abate, so anything is impossible.

What really is ironic, however, is that the Democrats controlled Congress from 2006 to 2010. In that time motions were introduced to impeach Cheney and Bush for an illegal invasion of Iraq, lying to the people, torture, and more. Nancy Pelosi stopped the motions and Americans have never gotten answers. And in November 2008, after winning the election, Obama met with Bush and is reported to have offered him immunity.

What goes around comes around maybe?
+5 # wwway 2013-05-13 08:39
Let's not forget that the next assult from Republicans is already planned. They are hoping that Americans experience with emplimenting ObamaCare this fall will discourage us so much that we'll decide to roll over and die. Hey, it's worked for them every time. They aren't going to let up.
0 # cymricmorty 2013-05-13 09:44
Benghazi is no doubt smokescreen for something else the GOP is up to.
I have to admit when I first heard about the IRS targeting tea partiers, I thought it was really pretty amusing in a schadenfreude-i sh way. Not so amusing is that we'll never hear the end of it.
+4 # 2013-05-13 10:26
The IRS scrutinizes/tar gets all citizens. If we comply with all IRS rules, declare all income, and play by the rules then there is no need to worry. If the Tea Party is going to speak out against taxation and give the appearance that they will bend the laws to avoid paying, then the deserve to be targeted.
+2 # Billy Bob 2013-05-13 14:39
-7 # WestWinds 2013-05-13 10:54
>>At the time he was sworn in to his second term, 64 percent of Republicans agreed that Obama was "hiding important information" about his background. Half thought in December 2012 that he stole the election.
-6 # tonywicher 2013-05-13 12:03
Consider me ramped. Here is what I believe to be the true account of Benghazi when all the "dots" that our wonderful intelligence services always fail to connect are actually connected:

Benghazi makes sense when you see it as an October Surprise gone awry. All those Islamist militias are under CIA control. Ansar al Sharia was just supposed to take Stevens hostage, not kill him. Then Obama and our heroic special forces would rescue him only days before the election. The "Innocence of Muslims" video was part of the script. A mob enraged by this video was supposed to take Stevens hostage, which is what Susan Rice was going to say on the Sunday talk shows. They were going to take him to that Ansar al-Sharia controlled hospital where one of the witnesses said he was told Stevens or his body was, where he would be heroically rescued. This was the script, but “director” John Brennan couldn't control the action closely enough, and in the heat of battle Stevens was killed. The administration was left with a royal mess on its hands, which it did its best to cover up. Romney won the first debate by pushing Benghazi, and Obama looked completely lost. If this issue had been pressed in the next two debates, Romney would have won the election, but it was too risky because it might have exposed too much. Therefore the powers that be told Romney to stop talking about Benghazi and take a fall. Romney was happy to oblige.
-2 # BKnowswhitt 2013-05-13 18:38
You live in conspiracy fantasy land my friend ......... you can't make claims like this without some proof. This is just like the idiots who said Bush et al created 9/11 ... keep drinking the coolade ......
-5 # FDRva 2013-05-13 12:07
Yes--as the author says--a lot of this is about Benghazi--and Hillary Clinton.

But the worst of it is from the Democratic side.

It appears that a very guilty Obama White House wants to lay the blame for the Benghazi terrorism at Hillary's door--Fox concurs--for their own partisan reasons.

I sure would not want to be the anointed Democratic successor to this president.
-8 # FDRva 2013-05-13 12:26
Impeachment is deserved--only- -for a crime against the Constitution.

Ordering the extra-Constitut ional killing of US citizens is such a crime--which President Obama has confessed to.

Covering up a sexual liaison which Pres. Bill Clinton confessed to--is not.

Need I drone on about the Constitution?
-8 # tonywicher 2013-05-13 19:12
How about killing four people includihg Ambassador Stevens in a failed October Surprise? Now that's impeachable!
+6 # ganymede 2013-05-13 12:50
This is all nutso stuff. Obama is not going to be impeached. The rightwing fascists are so desperate that they'll try anything and they don't have any real ammunition. All the money in the world is not going to save their asses. This impeachment nonsense will just push more people out of the rightwing camp, especially for the 2014 election. I really believe the tide is turning against these awful people. Yes, Obama is more conservative than we had anticipated, but he has accomplished more than he is getting credit for despite the 100% oppostion from the rightwing fools. What we need to do is keep pushing Obama to be more progressive and live up to what we know he is capable of. Man left people are not being realistic about the dire situation we're in.
+6 # Billy Bob 2013-05-13 14:29
Of course Benghazi is just smoke being blown out of the collective ass of conservatives.

But the I.R.S. is different. Apparently, it's ok for Republican presidents (i.e. bush) to go out of their way to investigate left-leaning groups and, in fact, treat them preemptively like terrorist organizations unless proven innocent, but it's not ok to investigate if conservative groups are just politically partisan, which would make them not deserve tax-exempt status.

The irony here is that the I.R.S. did the same thing the Repug Congress did to Acorn. Acorn was destroyed because Repugs wanted to believe it had done the very thing the I.R.S. was investigating among T-Party groups. What if some of those T-Party groups really didn't deserve tax-exempt status and the I.R.S. was just doing us a favor, by saving our money?

Afterall, as any Repug will gladly tell you when it's them investigating left-wing groups, "if they have nothing to hide, then what's the problem".

I think what we have here is, yet another, textbook example of:


+6 # reo100 2013-05-13 16:37
Darrell Issa is the criminal, yet is elected and reelected. Google his name and read about his past. It obviously shows in Hus arrogance.
-4 # dquandle 2013-05-13 17:30
This is idiocy. Obama has committed crimes, horrendous crimes. The inevitable blowback against the CIA by a population that rightfully could not distinguish between the CIA, engaged in murdering and torturing people and subverting governments, and the State Department, engaged in the same, is a miniscule portion of monstrous ongoing crimes that the Clinton/Bush/Ob ama regimes have been committing.

He ought to be impeached for waging illegal immoral horrendous wars, engaging in mass murder, torture, kidnapping and rendition, obliteration of civil and human rights for the glory of the police/national security state, and fronting the hugest corporate crime wave ever to hit this nation.
+3 # BKnowswhitt 2013-05-13 17:35
My guess is three fold. Benghazi will turn out to be CIA related and a cover got blown and will remain beneath the fold of scrutiny.

Impeach Obama! They've wanted that one since DAY 1.

Obama Admin will go hard and fire IRS grunts responsible to gain further cover for the:

Best Republican in office since Bill Clinton - who BTW i like a lot .. and Obama no where near as good.

However, they want us all to lose site on how bad it all was when Obama took over .. That's key folks .........
-8 # Michael_K 2013-05-13 17:38
It's hard to fathom such partisan hypocrisy from so-called Democrats. There is a litany of perfectly compelling reasond to impeach and try Obama, but not the "straw man" ones listed in this article. The list drawn up by Dennis Kucinich to impeach Bush/Cheney would serve just as well for Obama.
You have to reconcile yourselves with the reality that your champion is a lying murdering thug who is bought and paid for by multi-nationals and agri-poisoners. Embrace the truth or stumble blindly.
+6 # BKnowswhitt 2013-05-13 18:08
The most aggregious abuse of the executive that Articles of Impeachment decry are against any president taking the country into war on lies or mislead. That would have applied to DumbYa et al. This tells you who runs the country. And it ain't the Left folks. Kucinich was a small voice and player who i agree and agreed whole heartedly with. Notice he is no more. That's how the corrupt game that is the good ole usa is played today folks. I embrace many truths and speak many more my man .. pay attention ...
0 # Michael_K 2013-05-25 12:48
I think that anyone who can write an apologia of Obama's administration whilst condemning the previous administration, is either so rabidly partisan so as to forsake all reason, or bereft of reason ab initio.. and that is the truth, "my man".
+3 # PWSB 2013-05-13 18:43
really getting sick of this. repugnants can't stand the thought that Obama is president even though what they were running was worse than NOTHING. Wish MCConnell (the turtle, look at him you'll see what I mean) and the rest of the lost would just fade away. When the Dems had the chance they should have charged everyone in the Bush adimn. with all they were guilty of and made sure they could never show their faces anywhere again. Whether they like him or not he was the best man standing. Maybe if Romney's wife had run she might have come across better than he but they thought they were the King and Queen....of what I have never figured out. This country needs people in government that care about the country and not about back stabbing and taking the spotlight off of jobs, the economy, the environment, the middle class, etc. The repugnants are a bunch of old snobs that think they own the country but this old lady has been around all most as long as they have and they haven't done anything good for the people and the country when they are in office in a long long time.
-7 # tonywicher 2013-05-13 19:24
With Republicans you have to go back to Eisenhower to get a decent president. I can't recall any Democrat doing anything good for the country since Kennedy. Since the assassination of Kennedy all presidents have been puppets of his CIA assassins, but Obama is the worst yet. Could anything be more despicable than Bush? I would not have believed it possible, but now I do.
-4 # tonywicher 2013-05-13 19:18
To all you faux progressives: Bush should have been impeached for a million reasons including 9/11 and Obama should be impeached for all of those reasons and then some, including covering up 9/11. He is a warmonger and a Wall Street lackey who has totally sold you out in every way. You could redeem yourselves as Americans and get your cajones back by dumping Obama, but that would require admitting you have been had.
+4 # ishmael 2013-05-13 23:44
The author is quite spot on. The delusional US GOPee is paranoid as usual and divorced from objective reality.

Why? Because that is who they are.

It is totally desperate to link Mr Obama - directly - with Benghazi, the IRS and the sinking of the Titanic. They are soooo disappointed that he is a legit US citizen.

The "i" agenda has been around since the Nov 2007 election.
+4 # Nell H 2013-05-14 07:09
The Tea Party is so much a political organization that they, along with the Republican Party, were given a response to Obama's last speech. If the IRS did not question the "Tea Party Patriots" closely, before giving tax-exempt status, they would be sherking their duty.

Is this whole Tea-Party-Patri ots-IRS flap a scheme to get IRS exemption for Rove's lobbying group?
+1 # tonywicher 2013-05-15 23:14
Obama has gone way beyond Nixon and even beyond Dubya in his usurpation of power. He deserves impeachment as much or more than either of them. Progressives, stop defending this bum and dump him. You will feel much better.
0 # dunk 2013-05-16 05:01
The issue of impeachment is a fantastic way for both parties to avoid the issues of poverty, unemployment,cu tting entitlements,ne ver ending war and the Wall St. capitalists control of the economy. It is a smoke screen that takes the heat off OUR issues.

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