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Ash writes: "It's another flaming meltdown for the Los Angeles Police Department. One more in the proud history of America's most bizarre police force."

Navy service photo of Christopher Dorner. (photo: U.S. Navy)
Navy service photo of Christopher Dorner. (photo: U.S. Navy)

The War Christopher Dorner Brought Home

By Marc Ash, Reader Supported News

17 February 13

Reader Supported News | Perspective


t's another flaming meltdown for the Los Angeles Police Department. One more in the proud history of America's most bizarre police force. Words fail.

It bears noting that Christopher Dorner's now hyper-analyzed manifesto makes perpetual use of military terminology. He makes it plain that he intends to use military tactics against LAPD personnel and their families. His use of the term "warfare" in the manifesto is ubiquitous.

"I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty. I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I'm terminating yours."

From where do such thoughts come? War, of course. Christopher Dorner was a Navy Reserve veteran. While not highly decorated, he did receive a number of citations, most notably for rifle marksmanship and pistol expertise, and he did serve in Iraq. His military experience and training were central to his manifesto and his war on the LAPD.

All men and women who are exposed to military training and combat are changed by the experience. Some more or differently than others, but everyone who lives through that horror is changed by it and they bring it home with them. PTSD affects people in different ways. The level of violence Christopher Dorner displayed was highly unusual for a U.S. civilian environment, but he was certainly not the first veteran to act out violently after returning from war.

Deborah Sontag and Lizette Alvarez, reporting for the New York Times in January of 2008, "found 121 cases in which veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan committed a killing in this country, or were charged with one, after their return from war." Those statistics are now 5 years old. Today's figures would be significantly higher.

Flashback to 2003 and the Bush administration's frantic efforts to convince anyone, anywhere in the world, that there really was a need to for the U.S. to invade and occupy Iraq. Something about mushroom clouds and weapons of mass destruction. None of which ever materialized. What did materialize were unprecedented profits for military contracting firms and another American generation lost to a war without meaning.

Christopher Dorner earnestly felt that he had been defamed, railroaded and betrayed by the LAPD. The problem was his coping mechanism, or the lack thereof. He struggled throughout his life against the manifestations of an anti-African-American bias that was both overt and subtle. It was the militarism and the exposure to warfare that converted that sense of victimization into a heavily armed expression of rage.

A fully militarized police SWAT team goes door-to-door in Big Bear, Calif. searching for Christopher Dorner. (photo: AP)
A fully militarized police SWAT team goes door-to-door in Big Bear, Calif. searching for Christopher Dorner. (photo: AP)

America is trapped in a never ending cycle of enormously profitable warfare. The public relations packaging is always the same: "We are fighting for freedom and democracy." Who better to believe that than the idealistic and young? The truth however is cleverly hidden in plain sight: We are sending America's young men and women off to protect the global interests of wealthy and powerful mega-corporations based on US soil. The notion that this militarism somehow benefits the communities from which these newly adult soldiers come is flatly false. In fact American communities suffer great harm from these unnecessary military forays. The harm is both economic and social.

After Vietnam there was a sense that America had learned from what had occurred. Sadly that appears not to be that case. Those who profit from war will never learn. They can always find a rationale for conflict as long as lucrative government contracts are on the table. The larger and more important question is when will the American people learn? Without public support, the military profiteers will have to fight the wars themselves.

The Christopher Dorner saga is one more painful reminder that war must never be made without good cause and must never be supported by the country unless such cause exists. Beware: it's not a global force for good, it's a global force for profit.

Marc Ash is the founder and former Executive Director of Truthout, and is now founder and Editor of Reader Supported News.

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+109 # Shepherd 2013-02-17 10:32
As a veteran myself, I appreciate this article. We now have a military that has become what some are calling a "warrior class," since the majority come from military families. The military is a distinct culture, so it is problematic that we no longer have a draft and do not have many civilians entering the military. We also have what a new book describes as "police warriors." They are often vets with training in weapons which are made for military operations, not police operations. These trends are dangerous.
+28 # iggypops 2013-02-17 10:47
hhhmm – i'm not sure dorner's story is first & foremost about the effects of war on a soldier. yes, war experience may have affected how he processed perceived/exper ienced injustice & the rage that accompanied it, but i'll await the LAPD police chief's announcement about the findings of the re-opening of the case of dorner's firing. i'm not sympathetic to dorner's tactics, but i'll be interested to see if his rage was justified. anyone taking bets on how quickly the chief will suspend any further exercise of that inquiry? or has that already happened?
+18 # Lgfoot 2013-02-17 14:31
Exactly. The finding that the mentally ill victim of alleged police brutality was not credible and could not support Doerner's complaint doesn't justify a finding that Doerner's complaint was false and that he should be terminated for making it. Clearly a case of punishing Doerner for violating the 'Blue Can Do No Wrong' Rule.
+13 # Rain17 2013-02-18 00:19
I'm sorry, but there is no justification for Dorner going out and killing his victims. Maybe he had a legitimate claim against the LAPD, but being unhappy with how judicial proceedings turned out (even if the outcome wasn't fair) isn't a legitimate excuse to kill other people.
0 # Mrcead 2013-02-21 06:36
No one ever suggested that it was. We are talking about how deep corruption goes and the lines it crosses. War culture rarely remains on the battlefield. It permeates society and bolsters an "us vs them" dynamic that always produces a class of "losers" who essentially have no rights or recourse. These people in turn feel they have no choice because there are no rules for what a "loser" must then do, no one cares about them. These people often make up the criminal class as a result. A young person will see this as a way of life and bend to it, an older person with an established life of sorts, will break.
+107 # cmp 2013-02-17 10:50
The average 14 year old American has witnessed over 12,000 murders on television. This statistic comes from the American Psychiatric Association.

But, the average 14 year old has never seen one casket of a veteran come home from a war on television.

On both counts, this a travesty for our children and our veterans.
+14 # hobbesian 2013-02-17 12:55
We in Canada honour our war heroes; we have a dedicated Highway of Heroes; when their caskets arrive from overseas and travel that highway we attend to honour the dead. Quote:
"As a very proud Canadian, it warms my heart that so many other Canadians take time out of their busy lives to stand and salute as our fallen soldiers are taken to their final resting places. It is truly a show of appreciation and respect for those brave men and women. I salute all soldiers, present and past."- Chris Stevens, Toronto.

As a US citizen I believe it shames us all that we do not show this on TV; For myself, when I see those lovely faces of the young men and women killed in action every night, I stop everything, watch carefully and think about these heroes and their grieving families: but so much more is needed; we must be aware of these sacrifices, and consider; What is Really Going ON here? This is indeed a travesty for us all. And the real pain starts for the survivors when they come home to us in the US; we do as little as possible. I believe this is where the NRA should kick in and work hard to bring these youngsters some serious help.
+50 # ER444 2013-02-17 14:18
The best way to honor the lovely faces of those dead young men and women is to bring those lovely living faces still stationed all over the world war in service of the sensless "war on terror" HOME. The whole thing is a damned lie and we are wasting our life and treasure. ENOUGH !!!
+2 # cmp 2013-02-18 14:32
Right On, hobbesian & Right On, ER444! And, Right On, Chris Stevens!
+2 # charsjcca 2013-02-18 15:57
It may be that the commander-in-ch arge should be an active duty combat veteran versus a smack-talking chicken hawk. What do you think?
-1 # Hey There 2013-02-20 21:22
+78 # DaveM 2013-02-17 11:16
There is approximately 1 murder per day in Los Angeles. When is the last time you saw 10,000 (one of many numbers provided by the LAPD during the search for Dorner) police officers, many in full military gear, turn out with armored vehicles and everything else imaginable to apprehend those criminals?

Christopher Dorner was the worst kind of wrong. However, he brought to light the terrible possibilities of militarized police to a degree no one, to my knowledge, has before.

We need law enforcement, yes. We do not need commandos to enforce it. It is high time for a national dialogue on the process of restoring law enforcement to a position of respect, rather than a terrorist organization which for the moment is on the "right" side.
+19 # Henry 2013-02-17 13:02
+23 # nelswight 2013-02-17 13:24
Jesus, how right you are, Dave!
+10 # RnR 2013-02-17 20:09
+38 # mdhome 2013-02-17 11:18
Yes, I remember around 1970 that the daughter of a neighbor had married a green beret and when he came back from Vietnam, he had changed a violent abuser, she divorced him because of his abuse of her and her sons. War is not something to take lightly.
+17 # nelswight 2013-02-17 13:22
and I, as a small-town druggist in a town in central Maine, saw this happen to a fine
green beret Viet vet whose family I knew well- who lived with many youngsters in a small shack and only a dirt floor....but he ended life at 22 a suicide,
+19 # Robert B 2013-02-17 11:45
"America's most bizarre police force"? I guess you've never been to Milwaukee.
+5 # MidwestDick 2013-02-17 12:42
Supporting evidence. Scroll down for wikipedia
+37 # aljoschu 2013-02-17 11:51
Great article - thanks Mr. Ash.

In order to get a due status on all the damages and casualties that the Iraq War produced and spawned, people like Christopher Dorner should be added to the list of Iraq War casualties - along with those persons he killed in his own country during his recent amok run.
These killings should not be attributed to normal everday life (as much as it seems so in modern America - from a European perspective), instead, they must be added to the long list of human (and material) desasters, atrocities and traumas brought forth by the lies and propaganda of the former Bush administration. Only this will lay open the dire price that some have paid and that some others have cashed in during that war.
+27 # Henry 2013-02-17 13:05
"... disasters, atrocities and traumas brought forth by the lies and propaganda of the former Bush administration. " YES, and everyone else who profits from scaring people, glorifying war, glorifying hate and stupidity ...
+12 # nelswight 2013-02-17 13:17
Extremely well-put, monami-freund!
+45 # Phlippinout 2013-02-17 12:08
Beware: it's not a global force for good, it's a global force for profit....
Well said and to the point.
+20 # Elusive Pimpernel 2013-02-17 12:24
Your comment is so correct about children being overexposed to death in a make believe world, but not in the real world.

I saw a saying recently online that compliments your statement...

"If yo take a man's life, you owe it to him tolook into his eyes and hear his final words.
And if you can not do that, then perhaps the man does not deserve to die...

A ruler who hides behind paid executioners soon forgets what death is."

-Ned Stark "A Game of Thornes"
+22 # kalpal 2013-02-17 12:25
War is a form of business. All wars make someone rich and a few are made extremely rich which is why politicians keep indulging in wars. Generally those who fought in a war are reluctant to go into one which is why America's politicians are largely men who avoided serving in the military so as to remain able to utilize what they learned at the movies and on TV as their war experience.
+47 # Robert B 2013-02-17 12:38
As a former Marine, I've fired a lot of those weapons: M-16, M-60 machine gun, .50 caliber machine gun, Browning automatic rifle, bazooka. I know how dangerous they are.

I have long believed that the cops should not have those weapons, at all. It really creeps me out to see small town cops going around with AR-15s. It's dangerous and it's wrong. If the cops really need weapons like that, they should call the military for help. But cops don't need weapons like that any more than Wayne LaPierre does.
+8 # nelswight 2013-02-17 12:38
Marc, a lovely, thoughtful, poignant piece..I surely couldn't have said it so sad to see and acknowledge what we did to Dorner, a beautiful human being. in addition to the other hundred thousands of young Americans
+15 # jwb110 2013-02-17 12:43
With Iraq and the LAPD the adage " A fish rots from the head down." holds true. The LAPD has been a paramilitary force for as long as I can remember and I just turned 63.
I am afraid that the LAPD will close ranks and cover up the reasons for this man's retaliation. There is a history of cover-ups in in the LA Police force going back over 100 years. A lot of these have been in my lifetime and therefore in the lifetimes of many others. My mother is 90 and she has a raft of stories to tell.
This was a bad situation all around. And you can rest assured that the orders from the top were to do bring Dorner in alive.
+17 # cafetomo 2013-02-17 12:51
More importantly, what do we learn? Those vastly profiteering have costly by-products to be shed of. Broken soldiers are one. If you tried getting medical care from the VA, you would have little doubt. The entrenched apathy is not accidental. It is underfunded bureaucracy serving as the barrier it is intended to be. Vets, broke and broken, still suck it up as they are disposed of into the general population, often with little more than a seething resentment. They wonder where their grateful nation is, and why nobody wants to be near a twitching time bomb taut with an indifference toward death. It is hard to find the enemy in civil society. But that is all they have been trained for. Those cushy administrative jobs were contracted out to civilians with human rights and a decent wage. The enlisted have signed away any choice whatsoever. Military training teaches the broader points of jack booting doors with women and children behind them. With death constantly available from every door and window, the ground itself ready to detonate under supposedly armored vehicles, they become increasingly inured to frustration until they are among "their" countrymen, questioning the difference, wondering why they need to work full time and apply for food stamps. They thought all they had to do was wait it out, and it would get over, maybe better. But now they are back, and see no end to frustration. The only difference is that they have been taught to use an assault weapon.
+26 # wrknight 2013-02-17 13:04
I would like to see how much all the corporate CEOs would support the never ending war if it were their sons and daughters that were fighting it.

Perhaps it would be different if we had a universal draft where everyone had to serve in the military. No exemptions - not even for people who have more important things to do.
+16 # jon 2013-02-17 16:22
Quoting wrknight:
I would like to see how much all the corporate CEOs would support the never ending war if it were their sons and daughters that were fighting it.

Perhaps it would be different if we had a universal draft where everyone had to serve in the military. No exemptions - not even for people who have more important things to do.

That would put an end to adventure style wars, immediately. A universal draft is the obvious right thing to do.
+9 # Rain17 2013-02-18 00:53
Part of me supports bringing the draft for that reason. As someone who has grown up around rich people, when the Iraq War started, many of my conservative friends were strong supporters. Many of them had gone to boarding school and other well-to-do backgrounds, yet none of them was willing to sign up and enlist. And in their circle the number of people who would volunteer to serve is probably small.

But then I realize that, if we did bring the draft back, the wealthy and well-connected would always find ways to avoid being placed in the most undesirable/dan gerous military jobs. The unfortunate truth is that, were the draft to come back, those with connections would find ways to avoid serving.
+26 # lisamoskow 2013-02-17 13:47
Thank you for your wisdom on this.

The US spends monstruous amounts of money
on unnecessary weapons and war technology.

Meanwhile we have a huge poverty problem at home and shortage of money for the things that make life worth living.
+15 # Margarita Logan 2013-02-17 14:06
If we were not so beholden, seduced and manipulated by those who profit from wars, it should be made mandatory to read Dalton Trumbo's "Johnny Got his Gun"
in High School. I was only exposed to it in college by a very enlightened history professor and we also had to write a critical essay as a starting point for classroom debate about this great book. What an eye opener!
+4 # RMDC 2013-02-19 05:36
Yes, Johnny Got His Gun and the movie too should be required for all high school students. Same with Smedley Butler's War is a Racket.

There are plenty of things that could turn people against war, but the TV controls the consciousness of amricans and all it has is John Wayne bullshit.
+10 # kelly 2013-02-17 14:20
I know I'm going to get whacked for this...unfair for having a different opinion but...
after having read all of the various pro-Dorner statements on line I wanted to see if his claims(his manefesto) plus his biography were valid reason for his behavior. Everyone seemed to make excuses. Okay, he was not "in Iran" he was in the gulf in Bahrain on a naval ship. He got the marksmanship badge on a training field, like the NRA. To me he wasn't affected by his military experience except that it made him feel more important than he was. It was his conflated ego that made him feel he was allowed to prove his point was valid by killing others.Once he put down his pen and picked up his gun to prove his point he lost all my sympathy. I agree the cops in the LAPD have been corrupt for years and change is necessary so who did he take his anger out on? One LA cop died. Two civilians died. And a sheriff from San Bernadino died. He was so mad at the force that slighted him he took it out on people who had nothing to do with it.
I propose it had nothing to do with his service. This guy's ego wanted to be proven right. He could have been anywhere or anything but the gun laws in this country would have permitted this travesty anyway.
Now let the tigers begin tearing me apart, they've been doing it all week.
+7 # Rain17 2013-02-18 00:45
I fully agree with what you're saying. There is NO justification for what Dorner did. I concede that LAPD has had a sordid history of racism and police brutality, but that doesn't give Dorner the right to harm and kill innocent people who had nothing to do with his termination from LAPD. Having grievances and being unhappy with how the judicial process turned out is not a valid reason to kill people.
+11 # genierae 2013-02-17 14:26
I remember there were several wife killings at Ft. Bragg after the Iraq vets started coming home, and then things like that seemed to be hushed up. My heart aches for the children these enraged vets come home to, they don't have a chance. Those that survive will grow up to be enraged adults, and probably go into the military.

Rachel Maddow is having an MSNBC special tomorrow night at nine. It concerns the buildup to the Iraq War, and there's much new information that she says will cause a lot of backlash. It can be livestreamed on Democratic Underground if you don't get MSNBC.

Christopher Dorner was the wrong guy for the LAPD to disrespect, he was primed for violence, there's thousands more out there just like him. Karma's army, coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan to get revenge. What goes around, comes around.
+4 # charsjcca 2013-02-17 15:56
Penny Coleman wrote a book about the syndrome several years ago. We lack the human resources to deal with these victims.
+8 # Archie1954 2013-02-17 18:51
The US is learning the hard way that those that live by the sword will also die by it!
+7 # Doubter 2013-02-17 22:06
Is there an element of retribution? Karma?
To what extent do the negative vibrations of our country's collective minds acts, emotions and thoughts foul our mental, emotional and physical environments?
As far as I can see, this country is being controlled by madmen and most of the people are hypnotized and under illusion and propaganda. (Example: Rush Limbaugh, in the guise of the pied piper, leading his followers off a cliff)
+13 # ScottShuster 2013-02-17 19:28
A resident of LA, an Occupier and more militant union member turned staffer I have been steeped in these events for days. I am reminded of the brutal Police over response when 1300 militarized storm troopers violently removed the few remaining peaceful OccupyLA protesters from City Hall lawn.

Of course, now someone was shooting back.

I see a potential catalyst for social change. Less significant events have provoked social change in LA.

Ego may have played a part in Dorners actions, but I sense (from my arm chair) he was also feeling the lack of a fair resolution to his Police Brutality complaints and subsequent termination for filing false charges.

Dorner had different responses available to him then the typical worker who feels victimized by workplace injustice.

It is not suprising that neither the City Government, the LAPD Comand nor the Police Union are strong enough culturally and or lack the will to deal with a politically sensitive case like breaking ranks or whistle blowing. (read "Rat")

Workers in the real world are typically forced to walk away without recourse when they are treated unjustly. The discriminatory, self-protective , privlidged world of the Police & the Criminal Justice system compounds this.

Police are militarized yes. But they are also marginalized from society & the work force & ill equiped to handle this type situation. The same for the highly political & insular Police Union and the inbred LAPD comand structure
+3 # RMDC 2013-02-19 05:40
The important point here is that someone shot back at the police. As long as resistance is passive, the police will only beat you with truncheons or spray you down with tear gas and pepper spray. but just try to resist with some force, and the overwhelming force of the police will come out. They will show their true nazi colors. There will be no trial and no negotiation with people like Dorner. He will be killed on sight. The preferable method is buring someone to death in a house, as at Waco, or the Move family in Philadelphia. All this was totally predictable.
+1 # Lowflyin Lolana 2013-02-19 23:23
Hey. Thanks for Occupying L.A.

I still can't get over what happened November 30th. I was watching from work on the computer and the TV and could see the buses lining up outside Dodger stadium, and I couldn't send any tweets.

And I'm still angry about what happened to you guys. It was an eye-opener. Not just in L.A. but all over So Cal and the U.S.
If what happened to Occupy wasn't a wake up call then nothing is. But I don't see anyone awake.
+7 # wwway 2013-02-17 20:19
The Bush Administration supported efforts to put soldiers in the classroom and on our police force. The Obama Administation has continued that effort. The main reason for doing so is the level of professional and disciplinary acumen that is valuable for classroom and law enforcement magagement. It has always been my concern that the mental health of these individuals may not be appropriate for these possitions.
+8 # Rain17 2013-02-18 00:43
Well you would think that, in order to become a police officer, there are a battery of physical and mental tests to weed those who are not suitable for law enforcement. In the aftermath of the Dorner killing spree the questions that comes to mind is:

Did the Navy or LAPD ever mentally evaluate Dorner?

When he applied to be a police officer, did LAPD conduct a mental health evaluation?
+5 # corals33 2013-02-17 20:36
the citizens of the "great powers" have always been proud of their "boys" because they all knew that these "boys" were instrumental in maintaining their standard of living by their prowess in battle against the countries their leaders wanted to dominate.They willingly encouraged and donated their children to that end.Nothing has changed and nothing will.
0 # Rick Levy 2013-02-17 20:48
""It's another flaming meltdown for the Los Angeles Police Department.""

Excuse me but it seems that Dorner not the LAPD was the one who had the meltdown.
+3 # Rain17 2013-02-18 00:40
I don't know why this comment was down-rated. Maybe some of you may not like what that poster said, but that doesn't mean that the comment deserves to be down-rated either. Now, if the poster had insulted someone, it would be fair to down-rate it. But having an unpopular opinion here shouldn't be justification to negatively rate a post.
0 # Rick Levy 2013-02-18 19:43
It happens all the time.
0 # Lowflyin Lolana 2013-02-19 23:26
You're right, it was Dorner, but the LAPD responded with their own meltdown and that is what people are so concerned about.

No one is excusing Dorner, no one.

But we all gathered round to watch the police murder a guy. We all knew they wouldn't let him get out alive.

I have a problem with the media response and the lies and the coverup in the aftermath "Stop tweeting" "We didn't intend to burn the guy to death"
"Burn that m-f-ing house down!"
+6 # corals33 2013-02-17 20:50
For a nation with such vast military might it is amazing how shit scared americans are of their own government.They see injustice,crime and brutality carried out by their leaders almost on a daily basis and simply cling harder to their cowardly ways.but then that takes the courage of educating oneself and then acting on what is learned and that's so unamerican.I gave up on that country a long time ago and I am 62.
+11 # Coleen Rowley 2013-02-17 20:50
And don't forget that Timothy McVeigh, John Muhammad (the "DC Sniper") and Robert Florez, who shot and killed three nursing professors (and then shot himself) were all products of Gulf War I. Why does no one make this connection or even count the number of domestic homicides that are part of the "blowback" of the wars?
+3 # grouchy 2013-02-17 23:23
Let us indeed make note of the military theme in the weapons and clothing of so many of our mass shooters. Only a few of them have had military experience. What I think is important is that civilian shooters when dressing for their role in their drama, often choose military costumes! Thus the violent theme under the military part of our society is extended into the violent civilian world.
+4 # Rain17 2013-02-18 00:15
With all due respect, while Dorner may have faced racism and discrimination during his career with the LAPD, that doesn't justify his rampage that killed 4 people and injured 7 others. That doesn't give him the right to terrorize people and murder others.

I suspect that Dorner may have had other psychological issues that predated his military and law enforcement service. Mentally balanced people don't become shooters or killers. Maybe the Navy and the LAPD failed to pick up that Dorner might have had psychological issues. Maybe he was able to pass through their psychological evaluations that are intended to weed people out like him.

But let me be clear. There is no justification or excuse for what Dorner did. Having grievances and being unsatisfied with the final outcome of judicial proceedings aren't excuses to kill and hurt other people.
+7 # Rain17 2013-02-18 00:37
You write:

"The notion that this militarism somehow benefits the communities from which these newly adult soldiers come is flatly false. In fact American communities suffer great harm from these unnecessary military forays. The harm is both economic and social."

There is another dimension to this issue. The military is also a safety valve for our society and provides opportunities for those who can't afford college or who lack job skills. Many people enlist in the armed services, not necessarily to find combat, but to learn skills and be trained in specific jobs. Or they join to get the GI Bill and educational benefits. Without military service many of them wouldn't find good jobs or get any education. To that end the military provides a safety valve for our society. It's politically incorrect to say this; but, without the GI Bill and the military, we would have a significantly higher unemployment rate and more poverty.
+9 # Susan1989 2013-02-18 05:53
These are dark times. Technology, globalization, and the corporate structure have separated people from the most valuable thing about them--their humanity. When will we learn that "large does not work". Large schools, large corporations, large chain stores that put small ones out of business, large hospitals that treat people like cattle. Humans by nature require deeply personalized connection--but instead the world his racing toward efficiency, larger and larger bureauocratic structures which leave people powerless, lonely, and afriad. This is not what we were born for. The United States needs to stop killing.
+1 # RICHARDKANEpa 2013-02-18 14:29
William Spengler decided to get even with many people and in his suicide note mentioned then teenager Dawn Nguyen bought the gun he used to shoot the firefighters who tried to put out the fire he set on his house. William Spengler decided to get even with many people. He managed to get even somewhat in having her arrested, since she was too far away for him to add to his carnage. He did not pick the gun his neighbor bought to commit suicide with.

A month ago I very much wished for everything Christopher Dorner wanted and still think everyone should push these reforms but delayed a year or enough for Dorner not to get the credit. I demand Dawn’s release immediately before anyone someone was pushed to do wrong for, can threaten to turn them in if they don’t cooperate further.

Anyone who joins me in urging not to immediately listen to Dorner, join me in seeing that past suicidal maniacs un-get what they wanted. Why should murderers get to decide if they should live and die and whether or not they get the insanity defense or not. The Norwegian madman wanted change in Norway but what he got was a discussion of his sanity instead ideal to prevent copy cats.

When I saw the title I feared another type of discussion. Lets continue the discussion in ways that will not inspire copy cats.
0 # worldviewer 2013-02-19 18:56
The military provided Dorner with the vocabulary, meaning and mindset to express his rage. It's how the military rationalizes war and destruction and trains soldiers to murder. Many soldiers come back mentally and emotionally wounded--unable to fit in to civilian life. Yes, Dorner is the war brought home.
But has anyone studied what's known about Dorner's childhood? He probably had childhood trauma and no constructive ways of dealing with injustices.
Some people learn from grave injustices to work for justice because they've experienced in their own life what terrible things were lacking and the urgent need to build something better. I am one of them.

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