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Carl Gibson writes: "I'm becoming more and more convinced that the left's collective crying out for strong, effective leadership is going to have to come from the leaderful (not leaderless) movement of young people across America."

The occupy movement will have to figure out how it participates in the 2012 election season. (photo: Mark Collier)
The occupy movement will have to figure out how it participates in the 2012 election season. (photo: Mark Collier)

Elect Occupy Wall Street in 2014

Carl Gibson, Reader Supported News

12 June 12

Reader Supported News | Perspective


Occupy Wall Street: Take the Bull by the Horns


'm becoming more and more convinced that the left's collective crying out for strong, effective leadership is going to have to come from the leaderful (not leaderless) movement of young people across America. The fellow Occupiers I've marched and protested with in Houston, Madison and Denver are all well-spoken, optimistic, visionary leaders in their own communities. None of us agree with those who represent us in office. We all agree government could work for the people if corporations were purged from the political process.

The Tea Party began as another leaderless movement that took to the streets to protest a lot of the same things we protest: A bought government, bailouts of the banks that put us in an economic freefall, and a government overly concerned with intruding into citizens' personal space and lives. Their massive rallies and marches attracted the media attention needed to change the narrative, then they proceeded to take over a major political party and make it bend to their every radical whim. OWS could do the same thing, and do it ten times better, even without the billions in corporate backing Tea Party ideologues like Scott Walker have at their disposal.

The 1 percent's source of power is the excessive, poverty-inducing wealth they've amassed for the last 30 years. They used to spend their wealth on racehorses and yachts. Now they spend it on buying elections. By taking away the 1 percent's excessive wealth, we take away their ability to buy elections. When we get corporate money out of politics, we weed out the politicians who were put in place by corporate money. By removing those politicians and putting in those who will work for us, we simultaneously scare those remaining in office to adhere to our agenda or lose their jobs, and we begin to fundamentally change the system for the better.

The 1 percent has always been in charge of government, but their unprecedented influence on our politics was largely brought about by the early 2010 Citizens United ruling and the Tea Party's electoral sweep of Congress, also in 2010. Since November 2010, obstruction has become a daily matter of course, and a radical agenda of deregulating the industries threatening the environment and the banks that caused our current depression is the only one those in power will accept. If the Tea Party continues their electoral successes the complete redistribution of wealth from the bottom 99% to the top 1% will be inevitable. The deficit will continue to rise as we continue to cut taxes for the 1% and wage endless war, and with a rising deficit will come an elimination of middle-class jobs and every existing social-welfare program and safety net for the 99%.

Democratic leaders in office are showing signs of caving on extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of Americans, and putting the cap at $1 million instead of $250,000. Like many others, I'm disgusted by the cowardice of the Democratic Party and the great many Democrats who are blind servants of the status quo. The Occupy Wall Street movement represents the radical change needed in society, and could easily defeat corporate Democrats in primaries with a refreshing dose of economic populism that the establishment figureheads are too afraid to approach. And, once we take over one party, we can pave the way to taking over our government using all parties as our vehicle.

Occupy Wall Street's bold positions on civil rights, as seen in the demonstrations against the NDAA's indefinite detention policies and the invasive CISPA and SOPA legislation, could even be used against the Republican incumbents in primaries who voted for such authoritarian policies. Left-wing third parties, like the Working Families Party, are already gaining traction, taking over city councils and even putting candidates in state and federal offices. The Green Party is re-inventing itself as a populist force with a bold, sweeping vision for a new society with Dr. Jill Stein at its helm.

I agree with the OWS activists who say electoral politics isn't the solution. By itself, electing good candidates to office won't be enough to bring about all the changes necessary to make society sustainable for everyone. But kicking the worst offenders out of office and putting our people in is a hell of a start. The 2014 midterms are our year. If you don't like any of the candidates in office and don't feel represented by anyone running for office, run for office yourself. Don't let the proto-fascists run our government if you don't want them to. You can still vote: they haven't taken that away yet.


Carl Gibson, 25, is co-founder of US Uncut, a nationwide creative direct-action movement that mobilized tens of thousands of activists against corporate tax avoidance and budget cuts in the months leading up to the Occupy Wall Street movement. Carl and other US Uncut activists are featured in the documentary "We're Not Broke," which premiered at the 2012 Sundance Film Festival. He currently lives in Old Lyme, Connecticut. You can contact Carl at This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it , and listen to his online radio talk show, Swag The Dog, at

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-75 # jimattrell 2012-06-12 10:18
I can't believe that you would suggest that the basement- dwelling thugs who promote these Occupy Movements are our future leaders? What? We're in big trouble if these folks are going to be in charge.
+17 # bluepilgrim 2012-06-12 10:28
I don't live in a basement. I live in my own house which is bought, for cash, 20 years ago.

Go take your insults back under the rock where you live.
+71 # CarlGibson 2012-06-12 10:33
I was an Occupier in Houston, Texas for 7 months before moving North. I'm also a small business owner with another person on staff. Republicans would call me a "job creator."

Some Occupiers I met worked 4 jobs, and were occupying because those 4 jobs still weren't enough to meet basic needs. I'd rather have folks like them in charge than the same lawyers and businessmen who've been running our country into the ground for the last 3 decades.

Thanks for reading, though. When we take our government back, I'll look forward to reading your columns on why we need to put more lawyers and businessmen in office.
+36 # John Locke 2012-06-12 11:04
CarlGibson: Thank you Carl! The last thing we need in government is lawyers...they are by en large the most easily corruptible individuals! There is ample evidence, just look at the backgrounds of those we elect, most are lawyers and look at the state of the country. We need people who can think beyond their individual and self interest.
+3 # Dion Giles 2012-06-13 00:18
John Locke wrote: "The last thing we need in government is lawyers...they are by en large the most easily corruptible individuals!" I agree totally.

There's a reason in their training. It values law, not justice; conformity, not challenge; process, not content; ritual, not reality; tactical victory, not establishment of truth. If someone turns out to have been punished unjustly, those responsible for the injustice (starting with prosecutors and police) are never themselves punished for perverting the course of justice.

Fortunately, a few lawyers and journalists heroically apply their skills to the fight for justice. For an example (and one of the most shameful stitch-ups in Australian history whose 32-year unravelling was completed only yesterday July 12) have a look at, select 7:30 then Tue12 Jun 2012. Move the slide to 8min 42sec, and watch the 7min synopsis. Slide is moved by clicking in front of it.

A great lawyer who used his skills for justice, by the way, was Abraham Lincoln.
0 # John Locke 2012-06-15 14:58
Dion Giles: as someone in the legal community, I can say honestly you summed up our profession quite adequately!
+24 # Skippydelic 2012-06-12 11:28
Carl: YOU ROCK!!!
+19 # HowardMH 2012-06-12 12:29
Agree -- Carl Rocks!!!

Why wait until 2014, got time to get some really outstanding Occupy Leaders elected in 2012. They couldn't posibly do any worse than the idiots we have in office now.

Go 99'ers Go, you are the only hope this country has of regaining some real sanity in the government.
+5 # LegendBert 2012-06-12 10:57
Quoting jimattrell:
I can't believe that you would suggest that the basement- dwelling thugs who promote these Occupy Movements are our future leaders? What? We're in big trouble if these folks are going to be in charge.

No, the basement dwelling thugs who promote the Tea Party are our future leaders.
+26 # Skippydelic 2012-06-12 11:28
But note the difference between the makeup of Occupy and the Tea Party. Tea Partiers are an older demographic; Occupiers are younger. Inevitably, the people in Occupy *will* be our future leaders!

And how does participating in a movement based on NON-VIOLENT resistance make people 'thugs'?
+10 # AMLLLLL 2012-06-12 15:14
mattrell, no doubt you were taken in by the hijinx perpetrated by the government co-intel-pro. They even identified police pretending to be protesters, committing acts that no Occupier would stoop to. It's a tired program, and one we smell from a mile away these days.
+3 # Bodiotoo 2012-06-12 19:00
Quoting jimattrell:
I can't believe that you would suggest that the basement- dwelling thugs who promote these Occupy Movements are our future leaders? What? We're in big trouble if these folks are going to be in charge.

You sir or madam are so out of touch. I am a 62 white male and totally support the Occupy Movement. I work for a living, own my own home and am very tired of being run over by an insensitive government that is not doing right by the majority of its citizens.

The "Wealthiest Nation in the World" needs to share its wealth with all the citizens, enhance the environment, insure ( NOT INSURANCE) that all have access to good health care, good education and good standards of living.

The Day of Divine Rights is gone!
+2 # Bigfella 2012-06-12 19:20
I am not a basement- dwelling thug but I am part of the world wide movement called OCCUPY my standing up takes place in Sydney Australia where for 8 months 24/7 we have stood against the Banksters and the call for Governments to listen to the people who put them there us the citizen. If you find that "Thugs" then you don't believe in Democracy! Go to some Occupy meeting violence come from the authorities not Occupy. The courts have thrown out 99% of arrest as illegal WORLD WIDE! So who are the THUGS? NOT OCCUPY!
+2 # Bigfella 2012-06-12 19:28
I am not a basement dweller or my fellow World Wide Occupier. You must be a FOX viewer and never attended any Occupy sites! My fellows are ex-IMF Proffessors of economics, computer programmer/engi neers,small buisness owners,nurses, doctors,Lawers and labourers, factory workers, farmers and me an Artist and it may suprise FOX sheep Finacial sector worker, Bank employees so get down to Occupy and take your head out of....I leave it there.
+39 # ruttaro 2012-06-12 10:37
I absolutely disagree with Jimattrell calling the OWS thugs. If we want to see thuggery, go visit big coal, big oil, and all the lobbyists who bought our Congress so the lobbyists can write their bills. Thuggery? How about the thugs who wish to dismantle the remaining environmental legislation that protects our water sources? Clean air? Not if Big Coal gets to use its muscle! My god, you have to be in a smog filled bubble to believe that OWS are the thugs. It was OWS protesters who were pepper sprayed for exercising their Constitutional rights!

Money may attempt to buy everything but there is not enough money in Mammon to buy mine. And if all of you who agree with me would commit to voting only for candidates who pass OUR LITMUS TEST, then we will place people in office who represent us.

Here is why we must do it and do it now: Climate Change is the priority issue and it is not even being discussed by the wimps (most of them) in Congress nor our Presidential candidates. If we do not address this issue fast, our planet will be out of our control. Everyone in power knows this but can't act because the "loan sharks" aka Super PACS and corporations have a hold on a part of their anatomy that hurts a lot. I'll say it: they are cowards who let the real thugs bully them into whimpering submission.
A union of voters will be the engine of change that will renew the social contract between the governors and the governed. We are lost if we don't act.
+3 # Bigfella 2012-06-12 19:32
Hoooray!spot on! well said...climate change is past tipping point and it now about slowing it and repair it just like the Ozone holes.
-4 # tonywicher 2012-06-12 21:35
Sorry, "Climate Change" is one more banker hoax to take control.
+1 # ruttaro 2012-06-13 07:17
tonywicher, Evidence would provide a wealth of credibility to this conspiracy theory. Do you have any? And explain how the Earth's warming, that is Mother Nature, is part of the conspiracy? Rising temperatures are caused by bankers or at least they set it in motion? How? Literally burning cash or are they just cooperating with fossil fuel industry to bring the Earth to uncontrollable tipping points and feedback loops? Let's take it to the illogical end: the Earth arms 3.5 degrees and above, threatening all life, leading to massive conflicts, disrupted economies, destruction of the ecosystem, etc. and this is something bankers are working towards? To do what...make money in broken down economies.

What is happening in regards to climate change (the rapid, steep rise in global temperature - is irrefutably, directly linked to human activity based on burning of fossil fuels. You are free to deny that but so can anyone deny that the earth revolves around the sun. We either have the technology, are close to having it, or on a path to obtain it, that can begin the transition from fossil fuels to an economy based on renewable and sustainable energy. Rather than sit frozen in anger with baseless conspiracy theories and glumly watch as the world heads for a cataclysm, we should be uniting in opposition to the status quo and demanding that transition.
-3 # Zagreus 2012-06-12 10:40
If the left wants a President, they will have to be at least 35 years old... check the Constitution
+13 # bluepilgrim 2012-06-12 11:04
Yeah .... so??
+16 # jwb110 2012-06-12 11:14
Quoting Zagreus:
If the left wants a President, they will have to be at least 35 years old... check the Constitution

The 35 year olds are well represented and that would be evident if a corporate bought and sold media would give it the same coverage that it gives the Tea Party and the Neo-Cons.
0 # Bigfella 2012-06-12 19:33
Ant that the sad truth.
+6 # bluepilgrim 2012-06-12 11:16
I would like to see OWS engaging in building the Socialist Equity Party and supporting Jerry White (see )-- the goals are much the same and the SEP is already organized across the world.

There are also other leftist organizations and the members of the unions (the corrupted union leaders, not so much) which should be developed, and networked more with each other.

The thing to do is to be neither leadeful (in the sense of 'bosses) nor leaderless, but operate by distributed leadership with delagates (real anarchy, along the lines of social anarchism or anarcho-syndaca lism) -- authentic democracy. That means a lot more people learning a lot more about organizing, management skills and political science.

We need strong unions and strong socialist and communist parties, like we had in the 1930s, but this time we have to do it right and not settle for goodies while keeping the fascist/capital ist structures the same, or the plutocracy will just get to work to reverse it all again, like we have seen happen since then.
+8 # neohip 2012-06-12 11:28
And in ten years I'll gladly vote for Carl.
+2 # John Locke 2012-06-12 16:42
We as a democracy may not have 10 years left! We are on a short leash now!
0 # Skippydelic 2012-06-12 11:29
Point being?
+15 # ABen 2012-06-12 10:48
The Occupy movement needs to interject itself into the Democratic party in much the same way as the Teabagger movement has done with the GOP. Unfortunately, 3rd party movements usually have the effect of getting the candidate least sympathetic to the 3rd party elected.
+11 # jwb110 2012-06-12 11:16
Quoting ABen:
The Occupy movement needs to interject itself into the Democratic party in much the same way as the Teabagger movement has done with the GOP. Unfortunately, 3rd party movements usually have the effect of getting the candidate least sympathetic to the 3rd party elected.

The Occupy movement has to usurpe the Democratic Party the way the Tea Party did the GOP. That, in and of itself, will create the much needed third party.
+2 # Majikman 2012-06-12 12:52
I agree, jwb and ABen. Given the current Democratic castrati "leaders", it would be a helluva lot easier to co-opt them than to reinvent the wheel.
0 # bluepilgrim 2012-06-12 15:42
Thing about a third party is it's not like a town picnic where you send out invitations and see who comes. That would be trying to put a roof on house which hasn't been built yet.

It's in the preparation that the work needs to be done -- and yes that takes time, but there is no way around that. First the social and communication organization needs to be done, get it up and running and sustainable, and vision and plans worked out. Only then can people start to work on forming a political party, when the people are already there -- at least enough for a core or vanguard -- like a foundation and a house, and then the roof is put on.
+5 # bluepilgrim 2012-06-12 11:20
And play by the rules of the entrenched political machine? Perhaps to an extent, but everyone better be very careful about it or the movement will get sidelined (as many think happened in Wisconsin). Better to put energy into building a well organized independent movement and avoid being co-opted.
0 # Majikman 2012-06-12 12:59
bluepilgrim, who says usurpers need to play by the rules of the entrenched machine...when the current leaders are not doing so?
+3 # bluepilgrim 2012-06-12 15:09
How does one get around the laws? How does one get on the ballot when the machine is set against it? What if you are not allowed into their meetings, or even notified of them? The point is that trying to work in that environment is playing on their field by their rules (which can change as they go along), and that goes with the territory. It's very difficult to do.
0 # Majikman 2012-06-12 19:04
Bluepilgrim, I'm not sure what you're asking. If you're a registered dem, you get to go to meetings. The Blue Dogs infiltrated...t he progressives have just the same accessibility as the B.D's if not more so.
+2 # bluepilgrim 2012-06-12 21:36
About 10 years ago I looked for the local Democratics -- I couldn't find them -- the headquarters were closed, and they never responded to the note I left under the door.

One man tried to run for Congress and was told by the Democrats they wouldn't help him unless he raised #300,000 on his own. There is on'y one place to get that kind of money from -- corporations.

The important meetings are not public but 'informal' -- that's the same as many organizations: decisions are made before of after public meeting over lunch, for example. At public meetings it's tough to even get a question on the agenda.

It's a rigged game.
0 # ABen 2012-06-13 11:39
Remember, decisions are made by those who show up. I am a member of the local Dem Party. They may not like all the comments that I make, but they still hear them from me. Little be little things get changed. As a wise professor of mine once said if you don't like what an organization is doing join it and change it!
0 # bluepilgrim 2012-06-13 13:00
It is difficult, but it is possible to do it (if one has the patience, and can recruit some allies): it was often done by the right wing, who stacked meetings and committees. Still, they HAD some existing organization, such as churches, or the local KKK... it's different way of working than mass organizing people or OWS style, so different tactics and strategies should be considered.
+4 # Skippydelic 2012-06-12 11:37

A political party needs to reach 'critical mass' if they're going to have *any* meaningful impact on the political process!

The Green Party is a good example; good platform, good candidates, but they don't have the numbers *yet* to win the Presidency and/or Congress. As such, the result is that they pull votes away from Democrats, and Republicans wind up winning.

We should also heed the lessons of the Reform Party. Ross Perot founded it, but in 2000, Pat Buchanan - who had NOTHING in common with their positions and ideals - co-opted the Reform Party by bringing his own people in, so he could appropriate the $12 Million in Federal matching funds that Perot and company earned.

How much have we heard from the Reform Party since then?
+10 # Vardoz 2012-06-12 11:08
How about occupying nuclear power plants. Money won't be worth anything if we are all dying of Cancer from Fukushima. Nuclear power is one of the most lethal substances know to man. It kills for genreations. Europe is still contaminated! So we need to Occupy power plants. It may be too late already. Look up Dr. Helen Caldicott's medical implications of Fukushima on UTube.
+1 # Bigfella 2012-06-12 19:44
The Occupy Tokyo and Fukushima have had a great impact in a country that normal citizens obey the Authorities but this time they sat in the snow through out winter and now as I type the plants are closed "For cleaning and maintance." and they are staying shut but the worlds media is attempting to ignore "Occupy." thank to the innner net their story has got out!
-24 # jimattrell 2012-06-12 11:08
The Youthful Leaders of the Occupy Movement and the Young Leaders of the Tea Party are two entirely different groups from opposite ends of the scale. I've attended both movements so I speak from experience. Just pretend you are a parent of a daughter dating someone at each of these movements and I'm pretty sure that one will scare the dickens out of you and I need not say which. It's pretty obvious who wants to work to help themselves and who wants someone to give them something for free....
+21 # CarlGibson 2012-06-12 11:44
If I had a daughter dated a tea partier, I'd be scared shitless. Because the tea partier probably believes in unequal pay for equal work, giving my tax dollars to war profiteers and billionaire bankers, and would tell my daughter that poor people are only poor because they don't work hard enough.

Occupiers work hard not to help just themselves, but to help their communities. Specifically, those who have been disenfranchised by tea party policies that enable warmongers and banksters on the backs of the 99%.

Tea partiers are the ones who want things for free. They want roads that aren't filled with potholes, schools that educate their children, firemen to put out fires, police to stop murderers and rapists, food inspectors to e-coli-proof their dinner, air traffic controllers to keep their planes landing safely, and disaster relief when their house floats away in a flood, all without having to pay any taxes.

If my daughter brought someone home who believed in making statements against plutocracy using non-violent direct action inspired by art, music and street theatre, I'd welcome them with open arms, offer them coffee, and be genuinely interested in the things they had to say.
+3 # Bigfella 2012-06-12 19:48
Didnt know the TEA BAGGERS wanted stuff for free thought they already had there stuff paid for by big Corperations any way. Buses printing, etc!
-33 # Robt Eagle 2012-06-12 11:17
Gibson wries in his article "excessive, poverty-inducin g wealth"...wealt h of individuals never induces poverty for others, in fact the wealthy employ lots and lots of people for their outlandish lifestyles. Poverty is their, not because of the wealthy...pover ty exists because the poverty stricken don't do anything to get out of poverty. The opportunity to get educated in the US is there for everyone, by law. You do not have to choose to join a gang, plenty of kids in really bad neighborhoods rise above it. Choices are there, you just need to make the correct choices and work hard. Don't think taking from the wealthy in form of taxes will fix poverty if you throw money at it...the very poor will just gobble up the money and waste it, not on getting out of poverty which is what rational thought would assume. The individual who takes personal responsibility will over come all odds and succeed, that's American!!!
+26 # CarlGibson 2012-06-12 11:47
It's easy to say, "Hey, pull yourself up by your bootstraps!" to someone who can't afford boots, because his job at the bootstrap factory got outsourced to China.

We need more Republicans like Eisenhower. You know, the ones who taxed the richest 1% at 91% to pa for the interstate system, the space program, and an expansion of social security and national parks. We need more Republicans like Teddy Roosevelt, who busted up monopolies that hurt competition and contributed to inequality almost as dire as the inequality prevalent in society today.

If hard work equals wealth, and if we tax workers at 35%, how about we tax capital gains at 35% for the wealthy hedge fund owners who make millions by throwing imaginary numbers around to other millionaires? Let's not discriminate.
+5 # futhark 2012-06-12 12:40
Theodore Roosevelt enjoys too high a rating among progressives, due to his aggressive stands on conservation of resources and his willingness to confront the otherwise unchecked power of the super rich of his time, but overlooking his overt racism, militarism, and imperialism. He was the last American president to fully embrace the concept of manifest destiny, that the "white race" of Americans had the right and duty to dominate not only the American continent, but also all lands bordering the Pacific Ocean.

Reference: James Bradley's book "Imperial Cruise". It may change your mind about good old Teddy.
+3 # Bigfella 2012-06-12 19:58
Bit like saying Rome was good for slave really sick idea. The Americian dream is BS and you know it! Blaming the poor and "plenty of kids in really bad neighborhoods rise above it."-" poverty exists because the poverty stricken don't do anything to get out of poverty. The opportunity to get educated in the US is there for everyone," your joking arent you or live underground!Go read the facts it on the USA Government sites how you can say this when I in far away Australia knows this to be fails and that the USA has cut and cut education to the bone under the user pays system. stop watching FOX! (We dis-own that bastard!)
+1 # ruttaro 2012-06-12 22:02
Choice - agency - counts, no doubt. But so does structure. To trumpet the one and ignore the other constitutes ideological bombast. Of course there is that old mantra that merit matters in America, that the cream rises to the top. Not always and not often. Ask any woman who hits the glass ceiling, any person who doesn't look quite like the norm, etc. Poverty is not simply a function of choice as if reading a menu and seeing poverty on special and saying "I'll take as much of that as I can!" Close, objective scrutiny of CEOs and members of Boards of Directors won't find merit as the reason they are where they are. Talent? Yes. Talented in knowing who to screw, what to kiss and when to kiss it. For every innovator entrepenuer there are thousands of those born into privilege and influence. Nepotism and cronyism is the American way far more than hard work and sweat.

Wealth can create poverty. Look at supply side economics (tax cuts for the wealthy) that is suppose to trickle wealth downward. Three corresponding trends should sober any delusional belief in supply side economics: 1)since Reagan and the Republicans pushed supply side on us wages for working Americans have stagnated - flat lined; 2) wealth inequality is growing ever wider; 3) capital moves unhindered globally meaning that tax cuts are not restricted to reinvestment into domestic production.

Nobody is saying that throwing money at poverty will fix it. Stop privileging wealth over labor will.
+12 # Doctoretty 2012-06-12 11:24
I believe you have something here. 30 years ago, the roots of the extreme right was in what Jerry Falwell called the "moral majority." It was easy to dismiss them at that time as a fringe. However, they began putting people on school boards and in local government. Now this many years later, they are controlling some of the highest offices and influencing our cultural agenda beyond belief!
+5 # Majikman 2012-06-12 12:44
Exactly! This has been in their plan for years and it's coming together for them. We 99% are deer in the headlights and out of time.
+3 # John Steinsvold 2012-06-12 11:26
An Alternative to Capitalism (if the people knew about it, they would demand it)

Several decades ago, Margaret Thatcher claimed: "There is no alternative". She was referring to capitalism. Today, this negative attitude still persists.

I would like to offer an alternative to capitalism for the American people to consider. Please click on the following link. It will take you to an essay titled: "Home of the Brave?" which was published by the Athenaeum Library of Philosophy:

John Steinsvold

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."~ Albert Einstein
+8 # walt 2012-06-12 11:56
Clearly both political parties are failing to represent the American people. Obama was the great hope and he has shown himself to be a tool of the military-indust rial complex and Wall Street.
As Occupy Wall Street stated in the very beginning, we need a new party of, by, and for the people, and not for corporate America as it is now!
+5 # futhark 2012-06-12 12:29
The Tea Party originated as people who were fiscal conservatives alienated by the neocon dominance of the Republican Party, to which many belonged. They saw the Middle Eastern wars as ultimately counterproducti ve, both fiscally and in terms of generating good will for the United States. Somewhere along the way, they accrued some "leadership" that invited arch-neocon Sarah Palin to address their convention. Probably having such a convention was a mistake in the beginning. The neocons cleverly aligned themselves with the Tea Party concepts of fiscal conservatism and effectively hijacked the movement for their own nefarious purposes. It is really a shame that the original Tea Partiers didn't speak out against Palin at the convention. Now the Tea Party has lost all credibility as an agent for positive change. Occupy should be careful to avoid a similar fate.
+4 # Majikman 2012-06-12 13:10
futhark, I think you have it bass akwards...the teabaggers were organized and funded by the neocons. You really think they had the brains to create such an organization with their signs of "get government out of my medicare"..."ge t a clue morans".
+2 # futhark 2012-06-12 18:10
Majikman, I was following the Tea Party from the very beginning. One thing you couldn't say about them at the beginning was that they were "organized". They only became "organized" after they were infiltrated by neocon operatives. Tea Partiers I was around at the beginning had nothing but distain for the neocons. They were not only anti-interventi onists but also anti Big Bank bailout, which is more than you can say about many nominal Democrats, including the President. My perception was that the original Tea Party had a lot in common with the Occupy Movement in identifying an irresponsible power elite as being a significant problem for the nation.
+2 # Majikman 2012-06-12 12:40
Carl, we agree politically, but I'm not convinced by your suggested methods of achieving justice and equality through a 3rd party(ies)..... we don't have the luxury of time on our side before this country is in complete lock down. The teabaggers had vast sums of money to advance their agenda (it wasn't their agenda...they were the idiot dupes of the Kochs etal who played them like well tuned fiddles).
The same Kochs have the money to crush any attempts at organizing 3rd parties and even well organized citizen revolts (Wisconsin)
What terrifies them is OWS...massive civil disobedience. We also need muscle on our side, not for violence but for protection, in the form of police and the military rank & file coming to our side. The military are just beginning to realize they're pawns of the plutocrats.
Those Kochs etal bastards are ruthless and murder is not beneath them to advance their agenda.
+3 # Papá Kokopelli 2012-06-12 14:19
I´m with ya, as 3rd party politics will be found to be extremely frustrating. Most states have election commissions populated entirely by D´s and R´s, and they will systematically sabotage any third-party effort, especially if it appears to have a chance of success. Example: you need "X" number of signatures to get on the ballot if you are not put on it by the D or R party bosses; so you go out on the street and get the signatures, plus another 25% just to be sure, and lo, 40% of your signatures are disallowed by the election commission....

Not that it isn´t worth the effort though.
-18 # brucbaker 2012-06-12 13:17
The OWS movement has been taken over by hardcore socialists and money men ... and if you are part of the ORIGINAL OWS .. you are a MINORITY ... Hidden... except maybe on a blog here and there. GET A CLUE!

If you hate The Kochs, Hate Republicans, and love the OWS .. you really need your head examined or ... TO SPEND SOME TIME ON YOUR COMPUTER AND FIND THE FACTS INSTEAD OF FICTION.

Nothing I can say will educate you ... you have a freaking computer ... ask the right questions, GO LOOK at government websites for the real information .. RAW and uninterpreted ... and then .. MAKE UP YOUR MIND. You might find .. 90% of what you think you knew is spin, propaganda ... and generally ... WRONG?

Go find out ...
+10 # ABen 2012-06-12 15:34
Brucbaker; my calm and reasoned response to your screaming tirade of factless assertions is to suggest that you follow your own advice; "go find out."
+4 # tonywicher 2012-06-12 14:13
In the current election, we have a DINO (Obama) facing a RINO (Romney). Both of them work for Wall Street and international finance capital. Within that framework, they get to disagree on all sorts of secondary issues, but the really important issues, on which they both agree because they are getting their marching orders from the same people, are never even discussed. They key facts are that they are both for continuing bailouts of the big banks, which is ongoing although unstated to the tune of 20 trillion dollars of Federal Reserve free money (back, of course by the sweat and blood of the American worker), which is rapidly lowering our standard of living. They are both all for wars of imperial aggression against Libya, Syria, Iran, Yemen, etc. etc. They both support the "war on terror" even though it has become obvious to everybody with half a brain that Al Qaeda works for the imperialists, and the World Trade Center was indeed demolished with explosives and covered up by the Bush administration under whose watch this happened and then under the Obama administration, which makes it totally complicit in this crime. Obama and Bush are practically twins now. They always were. But the Occupy movement has been completely ineffective so far, because it lacks a coherent plan, strategy and leadership. The Tea Party, which was originally part of a patriotic liberty movement that had some real popular elements, was taken over by Dick Army and the Kochs. So what to do?
+3 # bluepilgrim 2012-06-12 18:35
OWS wasn't completely ineffective, but it is only a starting salvo in the work which needs yet to be done. It has been very effective in starting that work. People, if not the media, are still talking about it, and it is still working even when not occupying any particular place.

The purpose is not to capture a hill, or even win some battle, but to win the war -- and it's very much like a guerilla war. It's still building.
+1 # Bigfella 2012-06-12 20:09
Once again you are spot on. It is about starting the conversation and opening the way foreward and it has only just started...other wise why has HLS been building data base and running anti Occupy attacks world wide. And who controls Home Land Security? Yet on of the best Wall street money can buy!
+5 # tonywicher 2012-06-12 14:40
(Continued from previous comment)

A very interesting event that just occurred is that Ron and Rand Paul just sold out the "right wing" liberty movement by endorsing Romney the RINO. These liberty movement people
could be seen protesting very loudly at Bilerderberg this year, led by Internet Radio/TV jounalist Alex Jones. It was even called "Occupy Bilderberg". Meeting there were the common enemies of the American people (indeed of the world's people), the international finance capitalists who seek to rule the world and reduce all countries, including ours, to the level of feudal serfdoms. These imperialists were being identified and confronted, not by Democrats and not by leftists, but by "right wing" libertarians. What happened to the left? They are in some kind of trance, hypnotized by the snake charmer Obama. There was only one real progressive there, and that was the best political analyst on the Net, Webster Tarpley ( See the post there of the Tarpley debate with Alex Jones. The libertarians just had a rude awakening when Ron and Rand sold them out. Jones has declared political divorce from the Pauls. Tarpley is there to explain to him and his literally millions of patriotic, good-hearted liberarian followers, what is wrong with the Libertarian economics, that libertarianism is really an imperialist philosophy, concocted by bankers to get people to cut their own throats.
+3 # tonywicher 2012-06-12 14:56
Tarpley is advocating an economic system that he calls "The American System", which was instituted at the time of the Constitution by Alexander Hamilton, founder of the First National Bank. This system has been subject to continuous subversion by international finance capital ever since. The general principle is called economic nationalism, which says that each nation state must control its own currency and credit for the benefit of its own people. Any county that allows its credit and currency to be controlled by international finance capital is not a sovereign nation, it is an imperial colony. Tarpley holds up Franklin Roosevelt and Charles DeGaulle as great examples of economic nationalists.

Tarpley has a five-point plan for economic recovery similar to that of the Syriza party in Greece. Syriza may take power in the election next week. This is very significant because they will defy the dictates of the European central bankers to have even more austerity to pey their usurious debts.

What the left needs to do is to get finally disillusioned with Obama and the Democratic party in the same way as the libertarians are disillusioned with the Republicans and join together with the millions of these good hearted patriotic libertarians, together agree on who is our common enemy and the broad outlines of what needs to be done. Visit and listen to Alex Jones ( and . Also visit for the real facts.
+3 # tonywicher 2012-06-12 17:21
Visit for the real facts about 9/11. Science is non-partisan, folks. The architects and engineers , physicists and chemists at that site range all over the political spectrum. But they agree on the scientific facts.
+1 # Bodiotoo 2012-06-12 19:03
The 99% need to recognise and organise to win Congressional Seats...the power is ultimately in the People's House, but we need to find those that have an agenda of for and by the people.

The Tea party threw out of whack any ability to cross party lines...and turned the Republican Party in to a Frankenstein Monster.
+2 # tonywicher 2012-06-12 21:28
But do you understandn that Obama is a banker-fabricat ed Frankenstein monster too?
+3 # mrbadexample 2012-06-12 20:31
At least in NYC, there's an Occupy veteran who's running in the Dem primary for Nydia Velasquez' Congressional seat. George Martinez is getting blocked from even being allowed to attend candidate debates on local cable news. He's had the requisite political experience, but Time/Warner has said he's not a 'serious' candidate because he doesn't have any money (!). This is someone who handed in plenty of petitions for the ballot and has the requisite qualifications.

The Dems will fight tooth and nail to keep an Occupy presence off the ballot. And money will turn things. The Empire is plenty happy with the duopoly--anythi ng that changes the game will be fought.
+1 # tonywicher 2012-06-12 21:24
There are genuine progressives, such as the LaRouche slate, running for congressional seats in the Democratic party, but our main emphasis has to be on organizing a mass movement outside existing political parties. People dislike both candidates and both parties. There is a power vacuum that we need to fill.
+1 # tonywicher 2012-06-12 22:10
The problem with the Occupy movement so far is that it lacks leadership and direction, and a concrete set of demands with mass traction as an organizing principal. Left-wing anarchists are as impotent as right-wing anarchists. Organization, leadership and direction are needed. Tarpley has a five-point plan that could provide such focus. Read it at Also compare this with the Greek left party Syriza five-point plan athttp://tarple 2/greeces-syriz a-left-bloc-5-p oint-program-fo r-austerity-rol lback/. This represents the kind of economic nationalism that all Americans can and should support. If all countries institute such policies, imperialism is finished.
0 # bluepilgrim 2012-06-13 13:21
Depends on if you meqan chaos-anarchist s or organized anarchists ... big difference.

A thing to remember is that working inside the system or outside are two different approaches. Working inside is very different from 'protesting', such as 50 people showing up at a public meeting or demonstrating outside of a meeting or building. It requires slowly, methodically, and deliberately infusing yourselves into the organization, and becoming an important part of it, while avoiding being assimilated.

One good way to show, and after a little while volunteer for tasks -- especially the ones other don't want to do (recording secretary might be one of those). That's gets you 'inside', and is a path for further entrenchment. Recruit others of like mind. In other words -- infiltrate. Like the right wing has done. This can be a 'special project' of a larger, looser, more populist, organization, or an affinity group.

Beware of either beign assimilated by the political organization, or just as bad, becoming a clique yourselves or getting attached to power or hierarchy (always a temptation).

A good source for learning is the books from Carlos Castaneda -- forget the supernatual stuff and strange stories: look at what is there regarding stalking, hunting, and warriors -- the psychological lessons. Machiavelli and Sun Tzu also has some good material. If you can keep your integrity and moral values and not abuse the knowledge.

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