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Dimiero and Hananoki write: "The GOP civil war continues to intensify, with numerous prominent conservative media figures lashing out at Karl Rove in recent days over vehement disagreements about the direction of the party."

Karl Rove worked on Mitt Romney's campaign strategy. (photo: Fred Prouser/Reuters)
Karl Rove worked on Mitt Romney's campaign strategy. (photo: Fred Prouser/Reuters)

Anger at "Propagandist" Karl Rove and His "Repulsive" Political Group

By Ben Dimiero, Eric Hananoki, Media Matters for America

11 February 13


he GOP civil war continues to intensify, with numerous prominent conservative media figures lashing out at Karl Rove in recent days over vehement disagreements about the direction of the party. This is far from the first incident pitting Rove against fellow right-wing media figures. In recent years, conservative media personalities -- many of whom work with Rove at Fox News -- have called Rove a "propagandist," "not a conservative," and an "effete sore loser" who heads an "absolutely repulsive" political group.

The New York Times reported on February 2 that Rove, along with allies behind his Crossroads political groups, has decided to launch the Conservative Victory Project. According to the Times, the group will work to "recruit seasoned candidates and protect Senate incumbents from challenges by far-right conservatives and Tea Party enthusiasts."

Following the news, Rove quickly became the target of conservative ire, with several media figures accusing him of betraying conservative principles and the Tea Party. The outcry was loud enough that Rove ran to Sean Hannity's Fox News program to do damage control, touting American Crossroads' huge investment in Sen. Marco Rubio (and a few other Tea Party favorites) as proof of his conservatism.

Conservative anger at Rove has been simmering for years, intensifying in the past few months after Rove's Crossroads political groups squandered several hundred million dollars during the 2012 elections.

The reaction to Rove's Conservative Victory Project from conservative pundits has been swift and harsh:

Mike Huckabee Accuses Rove's "Absolutely Repulsive" Group Of "Fratricide." During an appearance on fellow Fox host Geraldo Rivera's radio show, Mike Huckabee responded to the formation of the Conservative Victory Project by labeling the concept "absolutely repulsive" and saying that "Karl needs to go through a metamorphosis." Huckabee accused Rove's group of "fratricide," and suggested the money his group is spending would be better used building up the Republican Party, rather than trying to destroy candidates that "you don't think is up to your country club level":

RIVERA: Karl Rove says the Republican Party has to go through a metamorphosis, has to change. You know Bill Kristol says wait a second, the Tea Party's not so bad. Where do you stand?

HUCKABEE: I think Karl needs to go through a metamorphosis. You know this idea that somehow a handful of Republicans are going to attack Republicans that the handful doesn't like? I find that repulsive. I find it absolutely repulsive. This is not how you build a strong Republican Party, is by going after the people in your party who are different than you are. This is fratricide. And if the Republican Party wants to render itself utterly, utterly irrelevant, the best way to do it is to become several little parties within the party, which is apparently what some folks seem to think we ought to do. When you marginalize the Tea Party, marginalize the pro-life and pro-family part of the party, you lose every election coming up in the future. You lose every election. There may be a few local elections that you might win in some places outside the base of the party, but you're not going to win a national election again.


HUCKABEE: If you're going to spend millions of dollars, spend it to build up your Republican, the one you like, not millions to destroy a Republican that you don't think is up to your country club level. I find that just horrendous. [Cumulus Radio Networks, Geraldo, 2/8/13, via Media Matters]

Mark Levin: Rove A "Propagandist" Who Is "Despised By The Grassroots." Radio host and frequent Fox News guest Mark Levin has repeatedly leveled criticism at Rove in recent days. In a Facebook post, Levin accused Rove of having "flat out lied" about Rep. Steve King (R-IA), whom the Conservative Victory Project reportedly doesn't support as a possible future Senate candidate.

On the February 7 edition of his radio show, Levin labeled Rove a "propagandist" who wields a "stupid little third-grade whiteboard." According to Levin, both Rove and the Conservative Victory Project "are poison in conservative and Republican circles in many respects." Taunting Rove, Levin also urged him to "bring it on, Doughboy." [Media Matters, 2/9/13]

Fox Contributor Erick Erickson Suggests Any Candidate Rove Group Supports "Should Be Targeted For Destruction." Responding to the formation of the Conservative Victory Project, in a post on his RedState blog, newly-minted Fox News contributor Erick Erickson mocked Crossroads for spending "hundreds of millions of rich donors' money and had jack to show for it" during the 2012 election cycle. Erickson suggested that the conservative movement should oppose any candidates supported by the new Rove group:

American Crossroads is creating a new Super PAC to crush conservatives, destroy the tea party, and put a bunch of squishes in Republican leadership positions. Thank God they are behind this. In 2012, they spent hundreds of millions of rich donors' money and had jack to show for it.

It is interesting though. The people who brought us No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, TARP, the GM bailout, Harriet Miers, etc., etc., etc. are really hacked off that people have been rejecting them. In 2012, about the only successful Republican candidates were the ones who directly rejected the legacy of these people.

So now they will up their game. They don't like being shut out. They blame the tea party and conservatives for their failure to win primaries. They'll now try to match conservatives and, in the process, call themselves conservatives.

I dare say any candidate who gets this group's support should be targeted for destruction by the conservative movement. They've made it really easy not to figure out who the terrible candidates will be in 2014. [RedState, 2/4/12]

Fox Regular Donald Trump Mocks "Total Loser" Rove. In a series of posts on Twitter, frequent Fox News guest and celebrity reality show host Donald Trump pondered why anyone would donate to "total loser" Rove and his new group after Crossroads "just wasted $400M":

[, 2/7/13;, 2/7/13]

"This Is War": Fox Contributor Michelle Malkin Slams "Rove And His Big Government Band Of Elites" For "Doubling Down On Stupid." In a post on her website, Fox News contributor Michelle Malkin lashed out at "Rove and his big government band of elites," and labeled Rove's group an "Incumbency Protection Racket":

This is war.

But of course, for Beltway establishment strategist and GOP control freak Karl Rove, it has been war on grass-roots conservatives for years now. The New York Times reported this weekend that Rove and the deep-pocketed donors whose coffers he drained futilely this past year are doubling down on stupid. Rove, Inc. will re-commit to a new group that will "protect Senate incumbents from challenges by far-right conservatives and Tea Party enthusiasts who Republican leaders worry could complicate the party's effort to win control of the Senate."

Who needs Obama and his Team Chicago to destroy the Tea Party when you've got Rove and his big government band of elites? [, 2/4/13]

Frequent Fox Guest Brent Bozell Suggests Rove And Allies "Were Never Conservatives To Begin With." In a recent column, Media Research Center president and Hannity regular Brent Bozell criticized the electoral track records of Rove and his allies at the Conservative Victory Project and suggested the people behind the group "were never conservatives to begin with":

In the end, this is not a fight between Democrats and Republicans. This is between the Reaganites and the same old moderate Republicans who insisted Ronald Reagan was far too extreme to be elected in 1976 and then in 1980, when Rove worked for George H. W. Bush. They thought the Doles and McCains were always the smart money against the Democrats. It's a fight between Republicans who want to not only run as conservatives, but govern as conservatives, versus the Bush-Boehner-McConnell never-mind approach.

Conservatism is in no way synonymous with defeat, and "conservative victory" isn't even attempted by those who were never conservatives to begin with. [NewsBusters, 2/5/13]

After one of Rove's colleagues at Crossroads labeled Bozell a "hater" for frequently criticizing Republican leaders, several of Bozell's friends (including commentators like Mark Levin) signed a letter attacking Rove and lauding Bozell as a "beloved and critically important player in American history."

Countless other conservative media figures have also slammed Rove this past week. Terence Jeffrey, editor in chief of the conservative outlet CNS News, claimed that Rove is "not a conservative," and editor Ben Shapiro accused Rove of "quietly undermining conservatism" and said his advice helped lead to the "epic Romney defeat."

The recent anger at Rove is certainly related to lingering disappointment with his political groups' lack of success during the 2012 elections. Right after the Romney loss, Joseph Farah, CEO and editor of theconservative outlet WND , labeled Rove "The Architect of Defeat." Farah proposed that the only "honorable thing" for Rove to do "would be to admit his own failure and move on with his life --giving others a chance to steer the ship next time."

During the 2010 midterm elections, Christine O'Donnell upset veteran politician Mike Castle for the Republican Party's nomination for U.S. Senate in Delaware. O'Donnell's run was backed by Tea Party groups while Castle was heavily supported by establishment Republicans.

Following O'Donnell's victory, Rove said on Fox News: "We were looking at eight to nine seats in the Senate. We're now looking at seven to eight. This is not a race we're going to be able to win." Though he would sometimes backtrack -- in response to criticism, Rove insisted he "endorsed" O'Donnell -- Rove continued to attack O'Donnell.

Rove's remarks about O'Donnell released a torrent of criticism from conservative commentators.

Malkin: "Rove Came Across As An Effete Sore Loser." Malkin wrote on her website that with his trashing of O'Donnell, Rove "[m]ight as well have been [Keith] Olbermann on MSNBC." She added that "Rove came across as an effete sore loser instead of the supposedly brilliant and grounded GOP strategist that he's supposed to be." Malkin also appeared on Hannity and attacked Rove for his "vicious" and "incivil" remarks about O'Donnell. [, 9/14/10; Fox News, Hannity, 9/15/10]

Erickson: Rove "In Full On Meltdown" On Fox News. In a September 2010 RedState post, Erick Erickson wrote: "It is a delightful morning. The National Republican Senatorial Committee and the GOP Establishment, including Karl Rove in full on meltdown last night on Fox News, has been beaten yet again in Delaware by the supposedly crazy girl from the fringe who could not possibly take out the 12 time elected Republican Mike Castle." [, 9/15/10]

Rush Limbaugh: "I've Never Heard Karl So Animated Against A Democrat As He Was Against Christine O'Donnell." During his radio program, Rush Limbaugh attacked Rove for going after a fellow Republican more harshly than he had with Democrats, saying, "I've never heard Karl so animated against a Democrat as he was against Christine O'Donnell." Limbaugh also said: "If he had just gotten this mad at Democrats during the Bush administration, why, who knows how things would be different today." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 9/15/10]

Levin: Rove Waging A "War Against The Tea Party Movement And Conservatives." Levin wrote a September 15, 2010, Twitter post stating that Rove was waging a "war against the Tea Party movement and conservatives." [Media Matters, 9/15/10]

Huckabee: "Very Disappointed" In Karl Rove And The "Country Club Attitude." Politico reported that Huckabee said in a radio interview that he "was very disappointed in some, particularly Karl and others, who were so dismissive of Christine O'Donnell." [Politico, 10/24/10]

Sarah Palin To Rove: "Buck Up." Rove and Palin repeatedly sparred over O'Donnell during the 2010 campaign. Palin told Rove, following O'Donnell's primary victory, to "buck up" and said that "some of these folks, they are saying that people like Christine O'Donnell and others -- tea party Americans - can't win, because they don't want them to win." Following O'Donnell's loss in the general election, Fox News reported that "the two FNC contributors showed they still haven't come to an agreement" about O'Donnell. [Media Matters, 11/3/10;, 11/2/10]

Rove Vs. Palin

In the lead-up to the 2012 Republican primary, Palin played coy with her intentions while she appeared on Fox News and her TLC show, Sarah Palin's Alaska. Rove and Palin exchanged numerous shots related to her qualifications to run for president, with Rove's harshest criticism coming when he suggested that she lacked the "gravitas" necessary for the office.

Here are some of their exchanges:

October 2010: Politico Reports That Republican Leaders Such As Rove "Are Said To Be Concerned She Will Run, And Could Win, According To The Officials." An October 31, 2010, Politico article reported: "Top Republicans, from presidential hopefuls Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty to highly influential advisers such as Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie, are said to be concerned she will run, and could win, according to the officials." [Politico, 10/31/10]

October 2010: Rove Suggests Palin Lacked The "Gravitas" Required To Be President. An October 27, 2010, article in the U.K. Telegraph reported of an interview it conducted with Rove: "Expressing the strongest public reservations about the conservative star made by any senior Republican figure, Mr Rove said it was unlikely that voters would regard someone starring in a reality show as presidential material." The Telegraph quoted Rove as suggesting that Palin lacks "a certain level of gravitas" required to be president. Rove later said of his comments about the TLC show, "I didn't mean offense by it, and I'm sorry if she took it. [The Telegraph, 10/27/10; Media Matters, 11/4/10]

October 2010: Palin Responds To Rove "Gravitas" Remark By Citing Reagan's Background As An Actor. On Fox Broadcasting Co.'s Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace asked Palin about Rove's "gravitas" comment. Palin responded: "You know, I agree with that, that those standards have to be high for someone who would ever want to run for president, like, umm, wasn't Ronald Reagan an actor? Wasn't he in Bedtime for Bonzo, Bozo?" [Fox Broadcasting Co., Fox News Sunday, 10/31/10, via Media Matters]

October 2010: Palin Calls Rove Attacks "Quite Negative And Unnecessary." In response to The Telegraph article and other criticisms of her, Palin said on the October 31 edition of Fox News' On the Record that Rove "has planted a few other political seeds out there that are quite negative and unnecessary" and added: "You know what? I kind of feel like, why do they feel so threatened and so paranoid?" Palin also claimed that Rove falsely called her upcoming television series a "reality show." [Media Matters, 11/3/10]

November 2010: Rove On Palin: "I Hope She's Got A Thicker Skin Than That." On his Fox News show, Hannity asked Rove, "Is there any truth to this battle that is going on between you and Governor Palin?" In response, Rove said he was "sorry if she took offense" to his criticism of her reality show and added: "I hope she's got a thicker skin than that because there is going to be a lot of commenting done by a lot of people in the next 13-14 months." [Fox News, Hannity, 11/19/10, via Media Matters]

February 2011: Rove Mocks Palin Television Show. New York magazine interviewed Rove for a February 2011 article in which Rove mocked Palin's show:

When I bring up his statements about Palin during our interview, Rove says only that he wished he'd made his comments on Fox News instead--before going into a withering impersonation of Palin, recalling a scene from her TV show in which she's fishing.

"Did you see that?" he says, adopting a high, sniveling Palin accent: "?'Holy crap! That fish hit my thigh! It hurts!'?"

"How does that make us comfortable seeing her in the Oval Office?" he asks, disgusted. "You know--'Holy crap, Putin said something ugly!'?" [New York, 2/27/11, via Media Matters] your social media marketing partner


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+38 # Archie1954 2013-02-11 23:00
The Republican Party of whatever stripe is not worthy to govern the nation. It has a totally discredited idology that supports unequal division of economic benefits, torture as an intelligence policy mainstay, wars as foreign policy and internal militarism. If its degenerate the Republicans will support it.
+43 # flippancy 2013-02-11 23:18
People at Faux noise calling Rove a propogandist? Talk about irony!
+19 # PABLO DIABLO 2013-02-11 23:32
Oh, BOO HOO Karl.
+34 # DPM 2013-02-11 23:32
I'll be very happy to support both sides, in this battle, in the hope that they will tear each other to shreds and exit the national political stage. In fact...they may not even need my help.
+9 # 2013-02-12 00:10
Lame. Huckabee ended his political career last month. The Republican Party needs to have a "come to Jesus" meeting or disband. The rest of the news about the GOP and the Tea Party fools is noise.
+16 # rockieball 2013-02-12 09:58
Ah yes the GOP to many means God's Only Party. The thing is Jesus was a liberal hated by the ruling Jewish leaders for saying things like "Give unto Caesar that which is Caesars." Instead of the GOP thinking "Grab what you can when you and run with it." "Suffer unto me the little children," instead of "Got out and get a job you lazy rug rats. We made sure you were born but after that you are on you own." Or things like caring and healing the sick and feeding the poor, instead of the GOP answer to hunger and bad sickness "Just Die." They need to "Come to Jesus." What they need is to come to their senses. It's the 21st Century not 1642.
+11 # kelly 2013-02-12 14:00
The problem was they came to Jesus. Their radicalism is a good example of what Karl first used to tear the country apart in his bid to get GW into office(notice I avoided saying getting elected the first time) and that extremism he fomented, has now become his downfall.
+30 # wwway 2013-02-12 01:03
Why are folks listening to Rove or any of "them"? Aren't Americans sick and tired of being told they are lazy, no good for nothing, godless people who must do without so the rich can have tax breaks and certainly must be willing to work for peanuts because the rich will give them a job? Oh, and aren't Americans tired of being told that their neighbors might be getting something better than them so that they are willing to destroy their own security and future? I'm so sick of Republican propaganda. Aren't you?
+15 # nimbleswitch 2013-02-12 01:16
For thirty-two years now, the Republican Party has been led by men with bad ideas (trickle-down, supply-side, borrow-and-spen d, deregulation economics). And in most recent years the GOP has been led by downright bad men. So who wants to be associated with a party controlled by bad men? Not me. Conservatives can do a lot better than that . . . a whole lot better. It is simply not necessary to become a bad human being with bad ideas in order to be a conservative. But that is NOT possible inside today's Republican Party. Time for a new, rational and realistic conservative party.
+19 # X Dane 2013-02-12 01:16
Oh, Help. What a bunch of incredible fools.
And THEY want to run the country???
They are unbelievably stupid. I do hope they do each other in. The whole country should see these idiotic fights and name-calling.

How can anybody have respect for them?? I do wish this were the end of Rove, but I am afraid that he, like cats, has nine lives. We may need some silver bullets or a stake through the heart. He really is a vicious guy
+5 # Cassandra2012 2013-02-13 13:18
Don't diss cats.
+7 # grouchy 2013-02-12 02:24
Oh ain't this just the most fun to witness--like one of those wonderful cat fights on a daytime soap opera! Let us all make sure we tune in tomorrow!
+9 # m... 2013-02-12 02:41
The two big things the entire Republican Party seems to stand for now are:
-How they can't stand ANYBODY unlike them, the '''real''' Americans, as they would have you know 24/7 though their vast Conservative Media Empire.
-Less and Less and Less and Less and Less and Less and Less Government to infinity and beyond, so that a Few Americans will have More and More as, of course, More Americans will have Less and Less.
+17 # Ukaisofu 2013-02-12 04:21
Rove is so acid they need to rename the test. He is behind the effort to scuttle Sen. Hagel and he is the perfect example of why America hates the GOP. I also dislike the Donald and cannot believe he said those things above, but if he did, it is the one and only time I congratulate him for using his brain for the first time.
+20 # Ralph Averill 2013-02-12 04:23
Karl Rove a "propagandist"? !! Well duuuh! That's all he's ever been or pretended to be! It was fine when Turd Blossom's divisive propaganda was putting that other turd blossom George Bush into the White House. But now, fear and loathing doesn't work so well, so Rove is the bad guy.
I LOVE watching the Republicans eating each other.
+14 # 2lilluc 2013-02-12 06:14
These are not nice people, none of them. They deserve each other and their kindergarten antics, pettiness, name calling, and bully posturing. It is unbelievable that these conservative, republican, tea party, right wing, politicians are in Washington supposedly representing and working for the people.Clearly their main concern is for themselves, not for a country in deperate need of good education, jobs healthcare, eradicating poverty, homelessness, and hunger, and I'm not talking about the third world! I'm talking about America! What are they doing to change things, make things better (nothing) at's what should be in the news, not their petty feuding and flinging of offensives at one another....
-8 # Glen 2013-02-12 08:18
Rove continues to be dangerous, or he would not get so much coverage. Rove is right there assisting in remaking the image of the GOP, continuing to pretend that party is different from the Democrats. Yes, they are different only in style and chutzpah.

Let the show go on.
0 # Glen 2013-02-12 16:22
Are those giving a thumbs down realizing that Obama is carrying out the very agenda that Rove, et al., put together a couple of decades or so ago?

We live in a country that is a joke when it comes to the entertainment provided by the government, while at the same time, that same government is increasing domestic surveillance, use of drones, and increased attacks on sovereign nations.

Is that any different from what the neo-con GOP would do? No. It isn't.
+7 # Onterryo 2013-02-12 08:23
Don't ya jes' love it!
(Daddy Dewdrop writer)
+14 # bbaldwin 2013-02-12 08:51
Let's face it - the Republican party is dying and we can thank Rove, Kristol,Palen , Limbaugh, and the majority of the House of Representatives . They need a clean sweep, and throw out the air heads. Being a Democrat I take delight in seeing this happen...well sort of.
+18 # fredboy 2013-02-12 08:55
Karl Rove plays a key role in defining the very edge of the social hatred border. The trouble is he has spawned countless imitators who yearn for the chance to join him as messiahs of hatred and division. He was only effective because the brainwashed legions of evangelicals, who are actually anti-Christian, lumbered behind him in cadence with his bitter gait.
+3 # Celeste 2013-02-12 21:10
Good analysis.
+28 # Billy Bob 2013-02-12 09:08
As I read this article I'm reminded why I've generally stopped commenting. The right sounds an awful lot like the left, right now. We aren't tearing each other apart on the same level because we have a Democrat in the White House. That's the only reason. But, we are tearing each other apart. Rove has a point (from the Republican strategic perspective). Purism is exactly why the Republican Party has become a regional party that can no longer compete seriously for president.

I hate the job Obama has done as president. I also know that any Republican would have been much much worse. I voted for Obama, knowing full well that I wasn't going to get what I wanted. I also knew full well that what I wanted was impossible.

For admitting that fact, I've been branded with some nasty titles by many others on this web site. I'm not special. I'm certainly not the only one, but I am one who's sick of the in-fighting and willingness among some of us to be so pure that we'd rather lose 100% of the time about everything than to compromise and at least win occasionally.

It's called "strategy". Civil rights legislation that was passed in the 1950s was just a beginning. It didn't amount to much. But, if the people behind it had just waited for perfection, it probably wouldn't have culminated in anything more substantial a decade later.

I know strategic thought isn't sexy, but it wins elections, and purism is a good way to be on the outside looking in.
+18 # tclose 2013-02-12 09:33
Billy Bob makes a good point. Progressives should recognize like Billy that what we want is impossible, given the state of the nation and the American voter. It will not change until the vast number of American voters somehow are able to realize the destructive force the nation has become, and the steps and sacrifices needed to become once again a great nation.

In the meantime, like Billy says, we need to compromise as a progressive Democratic-lean ing group, to find ways to win elections (e.g. the House in 2014), to continually reach out to the rest of Americans in furtherance of their education as citizens of the world, and to stay the course.
+14 # jon 2013-02-12 09:40
Billy Bob, exactly right.

The reality is we have to play with the hand we are dealt. Corporate money is the single biggest factor in the electioneering game. Without tons of it, nobody stands a chance at national office.

If a Democrat pulled out the stops and talked like most of us reading RSN would, given the chance, it would be over for funding of his campaign.

The bottom line: we have to keep the pressure on the system as it currently exists until we get both houses and the administration on our side, and then get the money out of elections.

Then and only then, will Democracy of "We the People" be restored.
+18 # wwway 2013-02-12 09:48
Billy Bob, Having spent time as a soldier of God building the religious right I can only say that purism might have an attractive ideal message but it has the cruelist intent. Purism is deceit. Deceit denies the opportunity to deal with the world as it realy is. Deceit is the tool of the wealthy and the church to justify condemnation and demand poverty of the masses. Rove knows this. He's a master at selling it.
As for Obama, given the congress he's been provided to work with, he's doing a splendid job while Americans continue to wake up from more than 30 years of sleepwalking and wipe the purist sleep from their eyes.
-13 # robniel 2013-02-12 09:54
So, soldier, what are your marching orders from your imaginary invisible friend?
+1 # tabonsell 2013-02-12 21:08
There is a difference.

Democrats historically tore each other apart because the party was one of divergent views and individualistic free thinking. The Republican Party is tearing itself apart because it wants only one group thinking allowed.

It reminds me of the Bolsheviks in the Soviet Union who used what they called "democratic centralism" in forming priorities. Party leaders would get together to discuss, debate, compromise and then vote on what issue to support. That was the democratic element. The centralism element was the decided-on issue would be dictated to all members of the party and no discussion, compromise or opposition was allowed. Any party member who opposed or questioned any aspect of the leaders' decision ran the risk of being expelled from the party, thereby losing evereything he or she had earned in life.

This is the present movement in the Republican Party; trying to impose "democratic centralism" once again. Remember when every Republican in Congress voted against Bill Clinton's first budgets that led to balanced budgets and surpluses. Again every Republican voted against Obama's health-insuranc e reform they call "Obamacare."

Now that was functional democratic centralism of the GOP and they miss it dearly. (The only difference is no one discussed or voted on GOP group-think)
+5 # Celeste 2013-02-12 21:15
Complicity with evil is not a sound policy. This is not bickering over trivia. There is NO place in this nation (if it is a Democratic Republic) for the NDAA, for illegal spying on citizens, for drone wars based on presidential KILL lists, for endless bankster bailouts while jobs with decent wages continue to disappear. And then there's the flagrant disregard for climate change and making meaningful inroads and policies to offset it. The degree of complicity between both parties is clear, and it's because Big Money runs the show and owns most lawmakers due to the insidious quid pro quo that campaigns costs necessitate.

The "Miss Manners" call to get along is about as wise as Pres. Obama's feigning bipartisanship as the mask that allows all the right wing policies to pass.

This type of agreement is NOT in the public's interests, nor does it bode well for any continuation of sentient life. The poles are melting... while these moral midgets fiddle.
+10 # George D 2013-02-12 11:08
What's the matter with the Republicans? Don't they realize that Rove's propaganda expertise is what got GWB into the White House TWICE?
Oh but then there is that saying; What is it?
Fool me...Fool me once...Ya fool me, ya can't fool me again...LOL
+8 # reiverpacific 2013-02-12 11:18
This is quite delicious my deahs but not doing the country any good.
Still, I've long posited that, as history demonstrates, quasi-totalitar ian cabals of whatever denomination or political color, end up devouring each other and themselves but do much damage along the way, especially to any kind of progressive movement.
Francisco Franco is perhaps an anomaly but he had to cut Spain off behind the natural barrier of the Pyrenees to keep his Fascist grip for so long and eventually had to bend to keep the economy from completely self-destructin g towards the last ten years of his spell in power.
It's amazing how those who are attacking "Curdled" Rove are actually making him look reasonable -or at least consistent.
But in the end, if you look at his record, he's the ultimate, quintessential shill for the corporate state and all they want is -well, everything! Don't cut him any slack and let the rest of 'em sputter out in their primitive boglands of frustrated power-seeking.
And start holding Obama and the Dem's feet to the progressive fire until they scream!
+1 # linkedout 2013-02-12 11:56

+9 # bobby t. 2013-02-12 11:58
many of my fellow far left friends talk about the stupidity of the right. I always direct them to people like rove and roger to remind them of the brilliance of their strategies. They were hard ball players and did their homework. Power is the ability to push people around, and they knew the buttons to do so.
underestimate this enemy of the people at your own risk. They are very good at what they do. Worry about the 2014 elections because of their ability to get out the vote.
They use every weapon including the big lie. it is probably rove's idea to call the sequester, "obama's sequester. very smart stuff. Be careful. they are regrouping and are extremely dangerous. Climate change deniers influenced fifty million people. Palin almost won. Progressives and liberals are still a dirty word. rove and rush did that. words are important. think, "tea party" and you think of boston in 1776. damn smart guys. never, never forget it.
+7 # tclose 2013-02-12 14:50
Bobby t. - while I agree with you that we need to be very wary of Karl Rove and his ilk, it needs to be kept in mind that Rove couldn't have been more wrong about trends of voter sentiment, and bombed in the 2012 election. There are limits to the ability of these people to pull wool over all while they are just plain lying to us.

But yes - they are still dangerous. We must never forget that.
+7 # X Dane 2013-02-12 13:09
bobby t
I totally agree. Counting them out could be deadly....for us.
+1 # wrknight 2013-02-12 14:13
The pot is now calling the kettle black.
+3 # wrknight 2013-02-12 14:31
This is an interesting war. It seems that Rove wants to protect the Republican party from imploding and the far right seems bent on self destruction. I kind of hope the far right wins.

Its interesting that the so-called "conservatives" are blaming Rove for failure to win victories for Republican candidates when, in fact, the Republican candidates put up by the party were unelectable regardless of how much money was spent. As the old saying goes, you simply can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

When are the Republicans going to wake up to the fact that Americans are not into extremism regardless if it's left or right?
+5 # spenel334 2013-02-12 22:56
I find it interesting that Republicans critical of Rove, beast that he is, are vocal against his choice of candidates, but fail to mention his utter lack of ethics and political chicanery. Rove has been involved in immoral behavior since at least before Bush became governor, and he is still behind voter suppression, not to mention every other Republican attempt at deceit. Funny that I have rarely seen any criticism by Republicans of that sort of 'repulsive' behavior.
+2 # Inspired Citizen 2013-02-14 08:06
This is a struggle between the reactionaries (Malkin, Ericson, Huckabee, Trump, etc) vs the establishment conservatives. May the most extreme and unpopular win.
+2 # sahqu 2013-02-14 13:59
Amazing! After 4 years of blaming these things on Obama, Erick Erickson is mad at Karl Rove and complaining about the part that 'brought us...TARP and the GM bailout...'
+1 # beadlejl 2013-02-19 10:30
With all this animosity coming from the right towards Karl, it makes me wonder if he wasn't so bad. Not that he was any good - just not as bad.

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